IMUS IMUS IMUS.........................

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

NEW YORK -- Don Imus said he's sorry for a controversy he's created.

On his "Imus In The Morning" show Thursday, he referred to the Rutgers women's basketball team as "nappy-headed hos."

He was talking to Sid Rosenberg with Sports Talk on the phone about the Women's NCAA Championship game.

Imus started out talking about the Rutgers team as, "some rough girls from Rutgers. They got tattoos," and then went on to call them "some nappy-headed hos."

He compared them to the Tennessee team, saying "The girls from Tennessee -- they all looked cute."

The conversation then went on to compare the game to "the jigaboos versus the wannabes." Media Matters reported that the show's executive producer, Bernard McGuirk, made that comment.

# To hear the controversial conversation, click here.

On Friday morning's show, Imus said, "I want to take a moment to apologize for an insensitive and ill-conceived remark we made the other morning regarding the Rutgers women's basketball team, which lost to Tennessee in the NCAA championship game on Tuesday.

It was completely inappropriate, and we can understand why people were offended. Our characterization was thoughtless and stupid, and we are sorry."

Thursday, The New York Times reported that Imus said people should relax and not worry about "some idiot comment meant to be amusing."

A Rutgers spokesperson issued a statement saying, "We agree with Mr. Imus that this was, in his own words, an 'idiot comment.' We are very proud of the success of the Rutgers women's basketball team. Coach Stringer and the Rutgers players are outstanding ambassadors for this great institution."

MSNBC released a statement saying, "While simulcast by MSNBC, 'Imus in the Morning' is not a production of the cable network and is produced by WFAN Radio. As Imus makes clear every day, his views are not those of MSNBC. We regret that his remarks were aired on MSNBC and apologize for these offensive comments."

He won't be the 1st shock jock to say something foul, and he certainly won't be the last.................

Here's my question to you all reading this post: Wouldn't it be wiser to let him pay a fine and stay on a radio station where he will be closely monitored for the rest of his airtime?

OR

Would it be smart to let him go KNOWING that satellite radio (Howard Stern or not) would JUMP at the opportunity to sign him where he could practically say whatever he wants?

[whatsupwithat]

Why not a third option like, say, repeatedly kicked in the nuts? Not that I advocate violence, but this is a big issue...especially when you have all these fuckers like Imus, O'Reilly, Hannity, and all the rest spilling hatred onto the airwaves 24/7. It's been said before, but "Network" was the most prophetic film ever made.

I never listen to radio and I gave my television away ages ago...but this weekend I was visiting someone and they had a tv so I channel surfed. What a fucking wasteland of mindless entertainment. I mean, when will people say enough is enough, when will they go their windows and say"i'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore"?

Sorry for the rant, but why the fuck do people even listen to the radio or watch television anymore? It's pathetic.

[TSChaser]

This appears to be a typical diversion from real issues at hand.

[Legend]

It would be wise just to fire him,this guy isn't a shock jock he has had presidential candidates on his show and for people to use the shock jock thing as excuse is wrong.Remember when mahr was fired from hbo and savage was fired from msbc because of similar comments imus should get the same treatment as those guys.

[whatsupwithat]

This appears to be a typical diversion from real issues at hand.

[peggygee]

From what I read Sirius 'screwed the pooch' by paying Howard Stern
$500 million, and was forced into a merger with XM Satellite Radio. So
having Imus go over to satellite may not be the best course of action.

http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/SuperModels/WhySiriusIsStillDoomed.aspx

Millions of people bought Sirius shares at $6 to $8 for their retirement
accounts, and rode them down to $3.50, never losing faith in Stern. At
this point, they need to face up to the fact that they're screwed. Stern
made half a billion. They will make nothing. They can file SIRI stock
certificates away under "S" for stupid. They blew it.

In the Imus instance I say fine the hell out of the Imus.

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

never underestimate the power of listeners, while it's true that Stern's faithful followed him sparingly to Sirius, IMUS is a whole other story. The merger was also a save for XM more than it was for Sirius, which was failing dramatically due to Sirius signing Stern and XM's own shock jocks leaving briefly afterwards to go back to FM.

my point was that IMUS makes a good profit now, but satellite radio would make him a killer offer, it would not be in the same league as Stern's offer but he'd be set for life and free to say what he wants without the FCC, NBC, or CBS breathing down his back.

[tsafficianado]

whatsupwithat sez
I gave my television away ages ago

so, uh, how do you follow transvids? :whoa

[Solitary Brother]

Imus has a LONG history of offending other groups.
He called his bosses at CBS "money grubbing jews".
The anti-defamation league got involved but Imus didnt get fired.
If he wasnt fired for that then he wont be fired for this.
Imus says things that should not be said over the airwaves....he has no filter......he speaks as if he is in a bar talking to his boys.
The funny thing is those women at RUTGERS could EASILY kick Imus up the ass and their is nothing he could do about it!
If said it before and I will say it again......all these people on radio and TV that act this way are WHITE.

[BlackAdder]

Im sorry but i have to take the opposite road here...Im very opposed to any kind of censorship.

Fuck the FCC....

If the dude wants to make a comment, no matter how backwards or retarded, he should be free to say whatever the fuck he wants to say.

DO NOT LET THE SHEEP ERODE YOUR FREEDOM...

[Solitary Brother]

Im sorry but i have to take the opposite road here...Im very opposed to any kind of censorship.

Fuck the FCC....

If the dude wants to make a comment, no matter how backwards or retarded, he should be free to say whatever the fuck he wants to say.

DO NOT LET THE SHEEP ERODE YOUR FREEDOM...

He can say whatever he wants be there are consequences......
What if someone goes after Imus or anyone else for that matter?
He should censor himself.......what he said was fucked up.

[gregh512]

On Imus's show everyone is a target, his name calling is certainly not limited to any age, race or gender. For lack of better term he is equal opportunity for rants, snide comments. Anyone in the public forum is a target for Imus and his cohorts. I saw that he will be suspended. But to say only white people make these type of dumb remarks, lets not forget Tim Hardaway, Tyrell Owens, Isaih Washington, all have said and will continue to say things that are offensive.

[BlackAdder]

Uhh...dont you see the illogic of your statement?????????


If there are consequences to what he says, then ergo, he cant say whatever he wants now can he??

He shouldnt have to censor himself, thats the whole point of the 1st Amendment. In case youve all forgotten:

Freedom of the press (or press freedom) is the guarantee by a government of free public press for its citizens and their associations, extended to members of news gathering organizations, and their published reporting. It also extends to news gathering, and processes involved in obtaining information for public distribution.

In the U.S. this right is guaranteed by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution

AS WELL AS

Freedom of speech is the concept of the inherent human right to voice one's opinion publicly WITHUT FEAR OF CENSORSHIP OR PUNISHMENT. The right is preserved in the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights and is granted formal recognition by the laws of most nations.

Do you get it now???

[johnb]

Have you listened to rap lyrics, and heard how they describe women?
Is Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson advocating boycotting their cd's and concerts?
NO.
What he said was fucked up, but there is a double standard.
btw, i'm not a republican.

[Kabuki]

Have you listened to rap lyrics, and heard how they describe women?
Is Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson advocating boycotting their cd's and concerts?
NO.
What he said was fucked up, but there is a double standard.
btw, i'm not a republican.

double standard or not...calling college basketball players "nappy headed hos" is wrong. I guess some of you wouldn't mind him call them "niggers" next. It's freedom of speech though...hmmm...

FCC rules usually get you punished for this. If you want to look at it that way. I haven't heard any talks about fines or being fired. Others have been fired for less.

[Quinn]

For what it's worth, here's my assessment of this drama's current main players:

1) Don Imus: a complete tool.
2) Jesse jackson: another complete tool.
3) Al Sharpton: yet another complete tool.

That about sums it up.

-Quinn

[ezed]

PC retards the progress that has been made under the radar. I don't see color, I see a face, I see eyes. I hear what they say! I judge them based on this.

My daughter, has had no racial bias in her upbringing. EVER! Yet the media and the so called spokesmen of the black race are keeping in the forefront. Things like Imus said would be unnoticed if flame wasn't applied to the fire. I could go into Black comedians doing the same thing, but that isn't the point. I don't think they should be censored nor should Imus.

What they say should be evaluated by each individual and each individual should act according to their beliefs. Stop letting a bunch of talking heads decide how you think. It's seems every statement anyone makes is disected and .......

Oh fuck it. The blacks have self centered retards and the whites have self centered retards and our fucking beloved media keeps keeping them in the forefront!

[ottorocket]

Imus who? I mean who really listens to these dregs of radio society... Shock jocks have to be the lowest form of intelligent life by making their pay, humiliating, degrading, and otherwise filling space on the radio dial with sophomoric repetative drivel. Why should anyone be appalled that this guy made a comment like that...he's not being payed for his intellect to elevate prose to anything more than sub-sapien poo flinging. He's a wart on a fly's ass.

[Realgirls4me]

Imus who? I mean who really listens to these dregs of radio society... Shock jocks have to be the lowest form of intelligent life by making their pay, humiliating, degrading, and otherwise filling space on the radio dial with sophomoric repetative drivel. Why should anyone be appalled that this guy made a comment like that...he's not being payed for his intellect to elevate prose to anything more than sub-sapien poo flinging. He's a wart on a fly's ass.

Cogently well put. Unfortunately, there are those out there who follow their divisive and hateful slop as gospel. Yes, there are some Americans that are that fuckin' naive, ignorant, gullible, and stupid.

[gummi baer]

When Imus comes back from his two week suspension, he should be required to wear a shirt that says "Don't Mess With Rutgers" on it.

[Mac_Hine]

BABA BOOEY BABA BOOEY HOWARD STERNS PENIS

[TJT]

Why does this remind of a recent South Park episode?


I work in radio,I've met Don Imus numerous times. My grandma said if you can't say anything good about someone you shouldn't say anything at all? No more comments from me on Don.

[posty]

From what I read Sirius 'screwed the pooch' by paying Howard Stern
$500 million, and was forced into a merger with XM Satellite Radio. So
having Imus go over to satellite may not be the best course of action.

http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/SuperModels/WhySiriusIsStillDoomed.aspx

Millions of people bought Sirius shares at $6 to $8 for their retirement
accounts, and rode them down to $3.50, never losing faith in Stern. At
this point, they need to face up to the fact that they're screwed. Stern
made half a billion. They will make nothing. They can file SIRI stock
certificates away under "S" for stupid. They blew it.


I don't know... SIRI ran up on a possible merger with XM, and drew back when the FCC decided they were going to make them jump through a bunch of hoops limiting any possible upside to the deal (read - wouldn't allow a possible monopoly), but in terms of finances, XM is in much worse shape. If there is a race to the finish, XM beats Sirius to bankruptcy allowing Sirius to recover by raising rates.

XM is trading at a higher price, but their market cap is only 75% of Sirius even after SIRI took a dump. Don't get me wrong. I wouldn't buy either but at least Sirius has a glimmer of hope.

[chefmike]

On Imus's show everyone is a target, his name calling is certainly not limited to any age, race or gender. For lack of better term he is equal opportunity for rants, snide comments. Anyone in the public forum is a target for Imus and his cohorts. I saw that he will be suspended. But to say only white people make these type of dumb remarks, lets not forget Tim Hardaway, Tyrell Owens, Isaih Washington, all have said and will continue to say things that are offensive.

Big co-sign.

[chefmike]

never underestimate the power of listeners, while it's true that Stern's faithful followed him sparingly to Sirius, IMUS is a whole other story. The merger was also a save for XM more than it was for Sirius, which was failing dramatically due to Sirius signing Stern and XM's own shock jocks leaving briefly afterwards to go back to FM.

my point was that IMUS makes a good profit now, but satellite radio would make him a killer offer, it would not be in the same league as Stern's offer but he'd be set for life and free to say what he wants without the FCC, NBC, or CBS breathing down his back.

That occurred to me, also. But I think that despite all his bitching about MSNBC, he really likes having both a TV and radio audience. He can tout his favorite charities more successfully. The political guests and analysts have a better audience. And the comedy bits by Rob Bartlett, for example, are better on TV.

[Mac_Hine]

never underestimate the power of listeners, while it's true that Stern's faithful followed him sparingly to Sirius, IMUS is a whole other story. The merger was also a save for XM more than it was for Sirius, which was failing dramatically due to Sirius signing Stern and XM's own shock jocks leaving briefly afterwards to go back to FM.

my point was that IMUS makes a good profit now, but satellite radio would make him a killer offer, it would not be in the same league as Stern's offer but he'd be set for life and free to say what he wants without the FCC, NBC, or CBS breathing down his back.

Sparingly isn't accurate. Sirius had 600,000 subscribers when Howard first announced his move, and now they have well over 6 million. Most of those are are Stern fans.

Are far as Imus moving to satellite, why would they offer him anything? His ratings are in the toilet, he's damn near 70 years old, and he's just plain boring. Hes reinvented himself as some sort of beltway insider, which is the only reason he has any notoriety.

Imus's comments and suspension have nothing to do with the FCC. It's not a censorship issue, it's about keeping him respectable so politicians will continue appering on his show.

[Dkg]

It's funny b/c I'm black and when I first heard it I was a little shocked, but now I'm kinda like "so what, get over it". These shock jocks say ALL kinds of insulting things. They insult all types of people, yet when it's a black person the media gets in an uproar.

It's also funny how long we've come since the days of when insulting black people was considered "ok" and a norm. It's good to see we've made that kind of progress, but I think Whites are now being over apologetic, and it's mainly b/c many blacks are now in more positions of power (and by power I of course mean money)

[Mac_Hine]

And why does anyone give a fuck what Don Imus has to say? He's an old irrelevant douche bag.

[Mac_Hine]

In the Imus instance I say fine the hell out of the Imus.

Fine him for what? Making an unfunny joke?

[Jericho]

nappy-headed hos

I get the 'ho' part, but "nappy-headed"...Uh?

[dreamer]

I dunno --I think there's a huge double standard -----and I think any punishment is too much ---I dunno ---like yeah --rap music ---Dave Chapelle ----if we are all equal --we should all be able to say the same things ---------------yeah --maybe rap music and Chapelle's statements and insults --or racial slurrs ---are in jest ----but it wasn't like Don Imus was YELLING --or DAMNING these women to hell eternal ---he was being a wise ass --tongue in cheek --smirk smirk -carry on ---trying to be FUNNY ---kinda like Chapelle --------seriously ---if Dave Chapelle called some chick a "nappy headed ho" ---in a sketch/skit ------do you think anyone would give a crap? ---



and yeah ---what the hell is "nappy-headed" ---anyways?

[dreamer]

hey thanks for the answer ---I honestly have never heard that description in my life ---

[DJ_Asia]

hey thanks for the answer ---I honestly have never heard that description in my life ---

LOL I remember when Ice Cube came out with a song called "The Nappy Dugout" it took me awhile to figure out what the hell he was talking about.

[Mac_Hine]

Nappy here is when a persons here is of a wool like texture as seen on sheep. The hair is so thick that the average comb may not be able to make a full sweep through. Mostly Africans or decedents of africans have this type of hair. It's generally portrayed as being a negative in white society. And Since it's seen as a negative, calling someone nappy headed is grounds of disrespect. Trust, if someone outside of the urban community was vocal about that in person, they get their asses whooped.

Are you genuinely offended by this? Why do you care about some stupid joke an old crypt keeper, that no one listens to, made?

[Felicia Katt]

I always say, Speak your mind, but mind your speech. This isn't a first amendment issue, at all. He has the right of free speech and he used it. This is over the consequences of his use of that right. He was given the privilege of using the airwaves to express himself and in my opinion, he badly abused that privilege. Now other people get to use their right to free speech to express their disgust at his comments and his bosses are listening. If he gets fired, as I think he should, its an economic issue, not a first amendment one. He can still say whatever he wants. He just won't get paid to do so or have the same lofty platform to shout from. He can spout his unfunny bigotry from a bar stool, not a broadcast booth.

FK

[Jericho]

Nappy here is when a persons here is of a wool like texture as seen on sheep. The hair is so thick that the average comb may not be able to make a full sweep through.

Thanks for explaining that.
Over here, a "nappy" is something you wrap around a baby's arse.

[chefmike]

Are far as Imus moving to satellite, why would they offer him anything? His ratings are in the toilet

You don't know what you are talking about. From the nytimes:


Mr. Imus is one of the most popular radio hosts in the country, with millions of daily listeners on more than 70 stations around the country. The television simulcast of his show on MSNBC is surging in the ratings — “Imus in the Morning,” which the network simulcasts with the New York radio station WFAN, gained 100,000 viewers in the last year, for an average daily total of 358,000, according to Nielsen estimates.

[crayons]

For what it's worth, here's my assessment of this drama's current main players:

1) Don Imus: a complete tool.
2) Jesse jackson: another complete tool.
3) Al Sharpton: yet another complete tool.

That about sums it up.

-Quinn

Co-sign.

[Mac_Hine]

Huh? Of course we're the offended. It's a term that everyone in the community is offended by. It's not just the term though. It's the fact that he was able to make the statement, but when a Black or Hispanic American wants to make a statement about Caucasian people for profit, it's immediately shunt and censored.

If you've never heard or listen to Paul Mooney's Race CD. People need to listen to it. It's 10 years old, But it paints that exact picture of what's going on today.

Getting worked up about it is just making it worse. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are turning an unfunny, throw away comment made by some asshole windbag into a media circus for their own political benefit.

Best thing to do is just turn off the radio if you don't like what he says.

[crayons]

Huh? Of course we're the offended. It's a term that everyone in the community is offended by. It's not just the term though. It's the fact that he was able to make the statement, but when a Black or Hispanic American wants to make a statement about Caucasian people for profit, it's immediately shunt and censored.

If you've never heard or listen to Paul Mooney's Race CD. People need to listen to it. It's 10 years old, But it paints that exact picture of what's going on today.

Dude, can you please tell me when a black person wanted to make a statement about Caucasian people for profit and it was immediately shunt and censored? From my understanding, this is the most common way a black person can make profit by making a statement about a caucasian person.

Remember the Dave Chapelle skit where he went back in time with the Time Haters and shot a slave master and said he'd do it every episode if he could? Do you think the reverse could happen?

Are you aware of the term "The man's holding me down." You think this would work in the reverse?

I'm not defending Imus, but I think what you said was hugely inaccurate. Infact, I'd be very interested to hear of a black person who made a statement that was censored for being offensive to white people. I think that would have to be a skit in itself. Did you watch the black guy who went on Fox News and started saying black people offended him? That was comedy.

[Mac_Hine]

Are far as Imus moving to satellite, why would they offer him anything? His ratings are in the toilet

You don't know what you are talking about. From the nytimes:


Mr. Imus is one of the most popular radio hosts in the country, with millions of daily listeners on more than 70 stations around the country. The television simulcast of his show on MSNBC is surging in the ratings — “Imus in the Morning,” which the network simulcasts with the New York radio station WFAN, gained 100,000 viewers in the last year, for an average daily total of 358,000, according to Nielsen estimates.

358,000 ?!?!? Do you know how little that is? That's like a .3 share, which is technically a zero in the ratings book.

As for his radio show, I'd have to look it up, but there's no way it's in the millions. Maybe that's his potential listener ship.

[Mac_Hine]

You're still not comprehending. If Minorities can't make similar comments on the radio, why should guys like him be able to? The only reason it became an issue is because someone spoke on it. If no one spoke on it, it would've gone un noticed.

I don't know what your referencing about minorities being censored, but Imus was suspended for 2 weeks.

And it should have gone unnoticed, it was a stupid joke. All this publicity is just making him more famous.

[Mac_Hine]

You're still not comprehending. If Minorities can't make similar comments on the radio, why should guys like him be able to? The only reason it became an issue is because someone spoke on it. If no one spoke on it, it would've gone un noticed.

I'm not sure what you're getting at exactly, do want him fined by the FCC? For saying nappy headed ho's?!?!

[Mac_Hine]

Try the whole hip hop movement from 88-92. The whole movement which was rebelling against white supermacy was completely censored. Hip hop was vocal then and music was a form of way for making profit. Now that it's 10 fold of what it was before. They have a harder time censoring things. Such as Jadakiss's lyric of Bushing knocking down the towers. It was immediately censored and removed from the radio. But, when statements are made about the black community, it's all of a sudden, "Freedom of speech". It's all bullshit.

Like I said, listen to Paul Mooney's Race CD. It clearly explains it.

So you want to fight censorship with more censorship?

[crayons]

Try the whole hip hop movement from 88-92. The whole movement which was rebelling against white supermacy was completely censored. Hip hop was vocal then and music was a form of way for making profit. Now that it's 10 fold of what it was before. They have a harder time censoring things. Such as Jadakiss's lyric of Bushing knocking down the towers. It was immediately censored and removed from the radio. But, when statements are made about the black community, it's all of a sudden, "Freedom of speech". It's all bullshit.


Knocking the towers and "nappy headed ho's" are two different things. I honestly don't think hiphop is censored and especially with "saying what they want on radio." And with regards to hiphop movement from 88-92 thats a totally different thing. The biggest censorship had to do with the 2 Live Crew show in Florida where they were accused of having a female member of their dance troope give an 8 year old a lap dance and Snoop's album Doggystyle supposedly telling people how to treat women- that album by the way was being boycotted by a black woman- and I think the correct term for that is "black on black". So I really don't think hiphop was censored. Anything else had to do with NWA and that's only because they were appearing on TV with guns. Can you imagine white people appearing on tv with guns saying their going to "clean up Oakland"?

So in effect, I don't agree with your points sir.

[crayons]

Like I said, listen to Paul Mooney's Race CD. It clearly explains it.

Is this something along the lines of David Allen Coe? Because I really don't have to listen to that to "get it." I can listen to anything by Kanye (whom by the way I like to now called misinformed) and get the opposite side of the spectrum.

[Realgirls4me]

I have several opinions on this matter which I'll keep in check for the moment, but why do some in here automatically feel that the Jesse Jacksons and Al Sharptons of the world take stands on cases such as this one for their own benefit or to pursue some political agenda? Talk about cynicism at work? Did it ever occur to any of their detractors here and elsewhere that the Jacksons, Sharptons, and other minority rights leaders, offer a voice for those who might not be heard otherwise? Would this be on the forefront of every national news cast if only a few members of the Rutgers team held a press conference to chastise Imus? I doubt it.
Yes, one can debate their gaffes (Hymietown,Tawna Brawley,etc), and thus hypocrisy, particularly given that Sharpton wants Imus fired, but frequently appears on the O'Reilly Factor -- the biggest closet bigot (O'Reilly) on the Fox News network. The bottom line is that the Jacksons and Sharptons serve a noble purpose in that they want those who say things like this to be held accountable, and that we as a civilized society move forwards and not backwards. Let's also not forget that Sharpton in particular has been consistent in this area given his frequent -- FREQUENT -- criticism of rap music and its mysogynistic lyrics. I can certainly understand why this gaffe by Imus would really upset a man such as Sharpton, and why he would want Imus's head on a platter. I personally think it's a bit on the extreme to ask for this man's job, but I can also understand why the Sharptons and Jacksons are asking for it. It's simply another case of the "man" trying to tell a minority what and what not to find offensive.

... If only the TS community had someone such as a Jackson or Sharpton to bring light to the issues and mistreatment to what some of the girls here experience on a daily basis.

[Mac_Hine]

I have several opinions on this matter which I'll keep in check for the moment, but why do some in here automatically feel that the Jesse Jacksons and Al Sharptons of the world take stands on cases such as this one for their own benefit or to pursue some political agenda? Talk about cynicism at work? Did it ever occur to any of their detractors here and elsewhere that the Jacksons, Sharptons, and other minority rights leaders, offer a voice for those who might not be heard otherwise? Would this be on the forefront of every national news cast if only a few members of the Rutgers team held a press conference to chastise Imus? I doubt it.
Yes, one can debate their gaffes (Hymietown,Tawna Brawley,etc), and thus hypocrisy, particularly given that Sharpton wants Imus fired, but frequently appears on the O'Reilly Factor -- the biggest closet bigot (O'Reilly) on the Fox News network. The bottom line is that the Jacksons and Sharptons serve a noble purpose in that they want those who say things like this to be held accountable, and that we as a civilized society move forwards and not backwards. Let's also not forget that Sharpton in particular has been consistent in this area given his frequent -- FREQUENT -- criticism of rap music and its mysogynistic lyrics. I can certainly understand why this gaffe by Imus would really upset a man such as Sharpton, and why he would want Imus's head on a platter. I personally think it's a bit on the extreme to ask for this man's job, but I can also understand why the Sharptons and Jacksons are asking for it. It's simply another case of the "man" trying to tell a minority what and what not to find offensive.

... If only the TS community had someone such as a Jackson or Sharpton to bring light to the issues and mistreatment to what some of the girls here experience on a daily basis.


Of course it's for their own personal political agenda. They only come out of the woodwork when someone says something offensive about Blacks. Jackson may have some small ties to other minority groups, but Sharpton is a shameless self promoter.

You can't just shrug off the fact that Sharpton is probably an even bigger racist than Imus. He made some horrible remarks towards the Korean American community, not to mention the whole Tawna Brawley debacle. The fact that he is demanding an apology from Imus or any other racist is fucking ridiculous.

No one is telling you or me what you can and can't find offensive. If you don't like Imus, don't listen. Pretty simple.

[chefmike]

As for his radio show, I'd have to look it up, but there's no way it's in the millions.

By all means, do look it up...

[Mac_Hine]

By all means, do look it up...

I tried, specific radio ratings are hard to find. On Wikipedia it says in 2005 he averaged 3.5 million per week, which is who knows how many per day, certainly not millions though. If you can find something other than a vague "millions of listeners", I'd love to see it.

But there are plenty of articles saying how his ratings are at an all time low, his ratings are slipping, things like that.

[Realgirls4me]

Of course it's for their own personal political agenda. They only come out of the woodwork when someone says something offensive about Blacks. Jackson may have some small ties to other minority groups, but Sharpton is a shameless self promoter.

You can't just shrug off the fact that Sharpton is probably an even bigger racist than Imus. He made some horrible remarks towards the Korean American community, not to mention the whole Tawna Brawley debacle. The fact that he is demanding an apology from Imus or any other racist is fucking ridiculous.

No one is telling you or me what you can and can't find offensive. If you don't like Imus, don't listen. Pretty simple.

You can't be a racist without power. That's the difference between a bigot and his/her twisted views, and a bigot in charge of Jim Crow laws. See the difference?

Of course he and leaders such as Jackson are going to come out and defend blacks. Did you read my friggin' post? Can you name one prominent white on the forefront of this particular issue holding Imus accountable for what he said? Name one. And not one on the coat tails of Sharpton or Jackson following after the fact.

You're clueless. I expect your next question to be: Yeah, how come blacks can call themselves "niggas", but when we whites do it, they get bent out of shape?

Right?

[Mac_Hine]

You can't be a racist without power. That's the difference between a bigot and his/her twisted views, and a bigot in charge of Jim Crow laws. See the difference?

Of course he and leaders such as Jackson are going to come out and defend blacks. Did you read my friggin' post? Can you name one prominent white on the forefront of this particular issue holding Imus accountable for what he said? Name one. And not one on the coat tails of Sharpton or Jackson following after the fact.

You're clueless. I expect your next question to be: Yeah, how come blacks can call themselves "niggas", but when we whites do it, they get bent out of shape?

Right?

"You can't be a racist without power"

What power does Imus have? A shitty low rated talk show? Would you even know about what he said if Sharpton of whoever the fuck decided "that the Kramer story is getting old, time to fuck with Imus."

Not one prominent white gives two shits about Don Imus. Neither do any serious prominent blacks. The only people who care are the ones trying make something out of nothing to futher their own agendas.

[Legend]

I have several opinions on this matter which I'll keep in check for the moment, but why do some in here automatically feel that the Jesse Jacksons and Al Sharptons of the world take stands on cases such as this one for their own benefit or to pursue some political agenda? Talk about cynicism at work? Did it ever occur to any of their detractors here and elsewhere that the Jacksons, Sharptons, and other minority rights leaders, offer a voice for those who might not be heard otherwise? Would this be on the forefront of every national news cast if only a few members of the Rutgers team held a press conference to chastise Imus? I doubt it.
Yes, one can debate their gaffes (Hymietown,Tawna Brawley,etc), and thus hypocrisy, particularly given that Sharpton wants Imus fired, but frequently appears on the O'Reilly Factor -- the biggest closet bigot (O'Reilly) on the Fox News network. The bottom line is that the Jacksons and Sharptons serve a noble purpose in that they want those who say things like this to be held accountable, and that we as a civilized society move forwards and not backwards. Let's also not forget that Sharpton in particular has been consistent in this area given his frequent -- FREQUENT -- criticism of rap music and its mysogynistic lyrics. I can certainly understand why this gaffe by Imus would really upset a man such as Sharpton, and why he would want Imus's head on a platter. I personally think it's a bit on the extreme to ask for this man's job, but I can also understand why the Sharptons and Jacksons are asking for it. It's simply another case of the "man" trying to tell a minority what and what not to find offensive.

... If only the TS community had someone such as a Jackson or Sharpton to bring light to the issues and mistreatment to what some of the girls here experience on a daily basis.

I'll agree with you sharpton and jackson speak for those who can't speak for themselves, take the widow of the african american who was wrongfully shoot in NYC for no reason by several cops,sharpton simply gave the widow a voice in that community.Alot of times african americans don't have the money to hire big attorneys and such people like sharpton volunteer thier services for free which they should be applauded for.

[Mac_Hine]

And I'll say nigga or nigger or whatever whenever the fuck I want. It's about context. If you think that makes me a racist, you're the clueless one.

[Realgirls4me]

And I'll say nigga or nigger or whatever whenever the fuck I want. It's about context. If you think that makes me a racist, you're the clueless one.

I see.

Jaysus, you're ignorant, with such an "open mind" to boot.

[Mac_Hine]

I see.

Jaysus, you're ignorant, with such an "open mind" to boot.

Keep worrying about Imus's potty mouth. Good way to spend your time.

[DeClock]

So it is okay for a rapper to call our Black sisters hoes and bitches, but it's not okay for another to call them names. there is one on this site that calls himself nigga so why get upset let it go as I do.

[Mac_Hine]

And what exactly was the offensive part? The nappy? The ho's? Does it have to be a combination to get peoples feathers all ruffled?

[Legend]

So it is okay for a rapper to call our Black sisters hoes and bitches, but it's not okay for another to call them names. there is one on this site that calls himself nigga so why get upset let it go as I do.


Hell no it's not ok for anyone to disrespect a african american female when will people stop using that as an excuse for others to get away from being racist, oh he can say it and i should be able to as well.

No one should be using those words period..

[Realgirls4me]

"You can't be a racist without power"

What power does Imus have? A shitty low rated talk show? Would you even know about what he said if Sharpton of whoever the fuck decided "that the Kramer story is getting old, time to fuck with Imus."

That low rated talk show gives him power(exposure), over that of, say, some trailer park trash spouting shit to his buddies while sitting on a tree trunk somewhere in the south drinking moonshine.



Not one prominent white gives two shits about Don Imus. Neither do any serious prominent blacks. The only people who care are the ones trying make something out of nothing to futher they're own agendas.

And what agenda is that, Einstein? What do those two expect to extract from this issue? So first you speak for Jackson and Sharpton, and now you also speak for prominent whites?



And what exactly was the offensive part?

There you go again. Let me put it to you once again: You have no right to tell another what they should or shouldn't deem offensive. I suppose you find a handicapped person fodder for jokes too, right?

Are you from the south by chance?



Declock,

Sharpton has been consistent in that area. Consistent. He has slammed, and continues to slam rappers for such lyrics.

Maybe you should watch C-SPAN on occasion and not what you just want to hear.

[Quinn]

there is one on this site that calls himself nigga so why get upset let it go as I do.

LMAFO..... Every time that guy posts, I can't help but laugh to myself. He almost inspired me to change my ID to Mackerel_Snatching_Mick_Paddy_Potato_Famine_Guy, but then I remembered that I'm not a moron so I didn't.

-Quinn

[ILuvGurls]

I'll agree with you sharpton and jackson speak for those who can't speak for themselves, take the widow of the african american who was wrongfully shoot in NYC for no reason by several cops,sharpton simply gave the widow a voice in that community.Alot of times african americans don't have the money to hire big attorneys and such people like sharpton volunteer thier services for free which they should be applauded for.


or take the case at Duke, where the 2 of them showed up for support of the stripper, who by the way has pretty much proved she lied.

but never the less shapton and jackson were there to get their face on tv.


not gonna get in a pissing match over this, but jackson and sharpton have been doing this for years, not sure how old you are, but these guys ain't got no job, they live of what money they can snake out of you, wink, wink...... donations.

[Mac_Hine]

That low rated talk show gives him power(exposure), over that of, say, some trailer park trash spouting shit to his buddies while sitting on a tree trunk somewhere in the south drinking moonshine.

And what agenda is that, Einstein? What do those two expect to extract from this issue? So first you speak for Jackson and Sharpton, and now you also speak for prominent whites?

There you go again. Let me put it to you once again: You have no right to tell another what they should or shouldn't deem offensive. I suppose you find a handicapped person fodder for jokes too, right?

Are you from the south by chance?




Thanks for avoiding most of my points and making blind assumptions about where I live. I'm actually in sunny southern california.

I was asking a question, not telling you what to find offensive. Not having nappy hair I was unaware this was a sore spot for some people.

Jackson, and Sharpton especially, have pretty clear agendas. They rile up the black community to believing that kramer or imus is the cause for all their worries, while avoiding more serious and difficult problems. This is how they make a living, and they're both very wealthy from it.

Jesus, God forbid someone defend speech they don't personally agree with, what a travesty.

[chefmike]

Mac_Hine....ratings go up and down, as I'm sure you know...like I told someone in the P&R forum here...I switch between Imus and CNN in the AM before I go to "the office"...you know, the kind of office that you get to use knives in... 8)

But as for 2005 ratings, etc. here is an excerpt from businessweek:

Book sellers, Senators, Congressmen, media personalities and even clergy are always after the same audience as Imus’s advertisers: affluent, educated and influential men, many of whom not only buy books, but count as swing voters. Imus’s show, while politically charged, skews neither right nor left, which makes it a refreshing switch from the wing-nut harangue of Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity or the Air America Crew. “I don’t know anyone in Washington who doesn’t listen to Imus or watch him on TV,” says CBS News and Face The Nation anchor Bob Schieffer, a frequent guest, who politely admitted to me the show has become a more valued outlet for many DC elite than either of his programs. “I get more feedback off my spots on Imus than from my own shows,” laughs Schieffer.

Imus’s influence is transcending the size of his audience. Imus In The Morning, reaches about 3.25 million radio listeners a week, according to industry trade journal Talkers Magazine (plus another 335,000 an hour on TV). His radio audience is about a quarter of Limbaugh's weekly following and less than half of Stern's. But blue-chip and family-oriented advertisers like Chrysler, Bigelow Tea and The New York Stock Exchange are prepared to pay top dollar to flog their brands on Imus; his show commands advertising rates of $1,333-$1,500 per thousand listeners versus about $1,000 for Limbaugh and Stern, according to industry sources.

I think that Imus was a fucking idiot for appearing on Sharpton's show to defend himself...he walked into Sharpton's show by himself only to be greeted by an angry mob...but Sharpton was too chickenshit to appear on the Imus show today...Imus raises money for numerous charities...not to mention the camp that he has for kids with cancer...he was also instrumental in publicizing the need for a raise in military death benefits...in addition to raising money for the new military medical facility that our worthless administration couldn't seem to find the money for...I guess that Halliburton got it all...

[Mac_Hine]

And a well crafted handicap joke will give me a serious case of the lulz.

[Quinn]

or take the case at Duke, where the 2 of them showed up for support of the stripper, who by the way has pretty much proved she lied.

but never the less shapton and jackson were there to get their face on tv.


not gonna get in a pissing match over this, but jackson and sharpton have been doing this for years, not sure how old you are, but these guys ain't got no job, they live of what money they can snake out of you, wink, wink...... donations.

If memory serves, Jesse Jackson also stated that he/his orgaqnization would pick up the cost of the accuser's tuition until she completes her degree. I hope more people have the integrity to step forward and reward a woman who has knowingly made false accusations of rape -- for the second fucking time.

-Quinn

[chefmike]

And as for PC...it's still OK for to characterize anyone from the south as being moonshine-drinking trailer trash, isn't it? Just another PC double standard...

[Mac_Hine]

Mac_Hine....ratings go up and down, as I'm sure you know...like I told someone in the P&R forum here...I switch between Imus and CNN in the AM before I go to "the office"...you know, the kind of office that you get to use knives in... 8)

But as for 2005 ratings, etc. here is an excerpt from businessweek:

Book sellers, Senators, Congressmen, media personalities and even clergy are always after the same audience as Imus’s advertisers: affluent, educated and influential men, many of whom not only buy books, but count as swing voters. Imus’s show, while politically charged, skews neither right nor left, which makes it a refreshing switch from the wing-nut harangue of Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity or the Air America Crew. “I don’t know anyone in Washington who doesn’t listen to Imus or watch him on TV,” says CBS News and Face The Nation anchor Bob Schieffer, a frequent guest, who politely admitted to me the show has become a more valued outlet for many DC elite than either of his programs. “I get more feedback off my spots on Imus than from my own shows,” laughs Schieffer.

Imus’s influence is transcending the size of his audience. Imus In The Morning, reaches about 3.25 million radio listeners a week, according to industry trade journal Talkers Magazine (plus another 335,000 an hour on TV). His radio audience is about a quarter of Limbaugh's weekly following and less than half of Stern's. But blue-chip and family-oriented advertisers like Chrysler, Bigelow Tea and The New York Stock Exchange are prepared to pay top dollar to flog their brands on Imus; his show commands advertising rates of $1,333-$1,500 per thousand listeners versus about $1,000 for Limbaugh and Stern, according to industry sources.

I think that Imus was a fucking idiot for appearing on Sharpton's show to defend himself...he walked into Sharpton's show by himself only to be greeted by an angry mob...but Sharpton was too chickenshit to appear on the Imus show today...Imus raises money for numerous charities...not to mention the camp that he has for kids with cancer...he was also instrumental in publicizing the need for a raise in military death benefits...in addition to raising money for the new military medical facility that our worthless administration couldn't seem to find the money for...I guess that Halliburton got it all...

Yeah, but the point is he's hardly a house hold name. He wields very little power and by himself has no influence on national debate.

As far as the interview, that was fucking comedy. Imus was squirming like a mother fucker, every time Sharpton asked him a question he would get all awkward and bring up his cancer camp.

[chefmike]

That's BS...he called out Sharpton on several things...no influence on national debate?

More BS.

[chefmike]

Book sellers, Senators, Congressmen, media personalities and even clergy are always after the same audience as Imus’s advertisers: affluent, educated and influential men, many of whom not only buy books, but count as swing voters. Imus’s show, while politically charged, skews neither right nor left, which makes it a refreshing switch from the wing-nut harangue of Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity or the Air America Crew. “I don’t know anyone in Washington who doesn’t listen to Imus or watch him on TV,” says CBS News and Face The Nation anchor Bob Schieffer, a frequent guest, who politely admitted to me the show has become a more valued outlet for many DC elite than either of his programs. “I get more feedback off my spots on Imus than from my own shows,” laughs Schieffer.

Imus’s influence is transcending the size of his audience. Imus In The Morning, reaches about 3.25 million radio listeners a week, according to industry trade journal Talkers Magazine (plus another 335,000 an hour on TV). His radio audience is about a quarter of Limbaugh's weekly following and less than half of Stern's. But blue-chip and family-oriented advertisers like Chrysler, Bigelow Tea and The New York Stock Exchange are prepared to pay top dollar to flog their brands on Imus; his show commands advertising rates of $1,333-$1,500 per thousand listeners versus about $1,000 for Limbaugh and Stern, according to industry sources.

[Mac_Hine]

That's BS...he called out Sharpton on several things...no influence on national debate?

More BS.

hahahh yeah, the one time he called him out he got defensive and called them "you people". Keep digging that hole hahahah.

Seriously, you think anyone outside of New York and parts of the midwest knows who he is?

[Mac_Hine]

Knew who he was, that is. Thanks to the good Rev. he's famous like a mother fucker.

[chefmike]

Other than you, yes...you obviously don't know jack about the facts...stop watching the cartoon network, zippy...

[Legend]

How did this thing turn from discussing the foul words from a racist bigot to what sharpton and jackson have done,you really see where people are coming from on issues like this.

Imus knew what he was getting into when he agreed to be on sharptons show,he wanted quick forgiveness from black people but it didn't quite work out.

[Mac_Hine]

Other than you, yes...you obviously don't know jack about the facts...stop watching the cartoon network, zippy...

HAHAHAH yeah I get all my hard hitting world news and current events from Don fucking Imus.

[chefmike]

Other than you, yes...you obviously don't know jack about the facts...stop watching the cartoon network, zippy...

HAHAHAH yeah I get all my hard hitting world news and current events from Don fucking Imus.

It's pretty obvious that you are a FAUX (FOX) news listener...so later, clown.

[Mac_Hine]

How did this thing turn from discussing the foul words from a racist bigot to what sharpton and jackson have done,you really see where people are coming from on issues like this.

Imus knew what he was getting into when he agreed to be on sharptons show,he wanted quick forgiveness from black people but it didn't quite work out.

Don Imus is a fucking moron, that part is obvious. Should he be fined or fired for what he said, though? Of course not. It's JUST WORDS. DON'T LISTEN IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT.

If any "black leader" would come out for a boycott of his show, I say go for it. Power to the people. Just don't go running to the corporations, begging daddy to stop the terrible man and his mean words.

[Mac_Hine]

It's pretty obvious that you are a FAUX (FOX) news listener...so later, clown.

HAHAHAHAHAHAH you got me pegged, cause there's a huge difference between fox and msnbc. I haven't watched tv news in years, it's all the same propaganda bullshit.

[zukkobaby]

I don't get why 'nappy headed hos' has to be racist, it's a comment about hair not race. I went to a fairly liberal college, there were many hippies, white, non white, male, female with what I might call 'nappy' hair. It's not Michael Richards with the 'N' word.

[Realgirls4me]

That low rated talk show gives him power(exposure), over that of, say, some trailer park trash spouting shit to his buddies while sitting on a tree trunk somewhere in the south drinking moonshine.

And what agenda is that, Einstein? What do those two expect to extract from this issue? So first you speak for Jackson and Sharpton, and now you also speak for prominent whites?

There you go again. Let me put it to you once again: You have no right to tell another what they should or shouldn't deem offensive. I suppose you find a handicapped person fodder for jokes too, right?

Are you from the south by chance?




Thanks for avoiding most of my points and making blind assumptions about where I live. I'm actually in sunny southern california.

I was asking a question, not telling you what to find offensive. Not having nappy hair I was unaware this was a sore spot for some people.

Jackson, and Sharpton especially, have pretty clear agendas. They rile up the black community to believing that kramer or imus is the cause for all their worries, while avoiding more serious and difficult problems. This is how they make a living, and they're both very wealthy from it.

Jesus, God forbid someone defend speech they don't personally agree with, what a travesty.

Your mindset is that from an impoverished stereotypical ignorant southener from the 1950s ... My apologies to those from the south currently reading this exchange.

I didn't avoid your points, and if anything it is you who are digressing. Reread my posts and your responses. If anything it's you who is avoiding my points. And if one is going to make these types of comments, get ready to pay the piper for it. No one is suggesting we do away with the First Amendment.

You are still missing the point about what and what others should find painful or offensive. You cannot claim that position, particularly when you don't even see why these comments were deemed offensive. Have you seen the Rutgers women talk about it yet? If not, then do it.

Please -- PLEASE -- tell me about these "clear agendas". So they should stay mute and incidents like this should be allowed to be continued unfettered? How dare those blacks get "riled up" over a man getting shot 50 times on his wedding night, huh? Are incidents such as this not indicative of something greater perhaps? So you are now the arbiter of "more serious and difficult problems"? Given your claim that they have "clear agendas", who then determines what is "serious and difficult"? Someone white (I pressume) like you? Yeah, you'll give them a break, right? I suppose when they came out against the Texaco executives caught making racist comments ("black jellie beans",etc), that that issue also wasn't serious or difficult? By the way, have you ever been followed in a store because of your color? Been denied a place because of your color? Been turned down for a loan because of your color, etc?

I agree with Mike. You are totally Fox News. Deal with it, Sport!

... By the way, I dare you to call any of our African-American posters, "Nigga", since it is simply all about context with you. Let's see how they'll react knowing you are white ?

[Realgirls4me]

I'm curious, Mac Hine. Where do you get your news from? Just a question.

[Mac_Hine]

Your mindset is that from an impoverished stereotypical ignorant southener from the 1950s ... My apologies to those from the south currently reading this exchange.

I didn't avoid your points, and if anything it is you who are digressing. Reread my posts and your responses. If anything it's you who is avoiding my points. And if one is going to make these types of comments, get ready to pay the piper for it. No one is suggesting we do away with the First Amendment.

You are still missing the point about what and what others should find painful or offensive. You cannot claim that position, particularly when you don't even see why these comments were deemed offensive. Have you seen the Rutgers women talk about it yet? If not, then do it.

Please -- PLEASE -- tell me about these "clear agendas". So they should stay mute and incidents like this should be allowed to be continued unfettered? How dare those blacks get "riled up" over a man getting shot 50 times on his wedding night, huh? Are incidents such as this not indicative of something greater perhaps? So you are now the arbiter of "more serious and difficult problems"? Given your claim that they have "clear agendas", who then determines what is "serious and difficult"? Someone white (I pressume) like you? Yeah, you'll give them a break, right? I suppose when they came out against the Texaco executives caught making racist comments ("black jellie beans",etc), that that issue also wasn't serious or difficult? By the way, have you ever been followed in a store because of your color? Been denied a place because of your color? Been turned down for a loan because of your color, etc?

I agree with Mike. You are totally Fox News. Deal with it, Sport!

... By the way, I dare you to call any of our African-American posters, "Nigga", since it is simply all about context with you. Let's see how they'll react knowing you are white ?

What do you know about my mindset? Because I think people should be able to what they want without fear of government oppression (fines) or bullying from POWERFUL lobbyists?

You're going off into territories that require more thought than a shemale pron site deserves, but it's just as plausible that sharpton or jackson exploited those situations rather than contributing positively to them. Only they will know for sure, and with both of their racially insensitive track records, I'd put my money on exploitation.

Not sure why you assume I'm white, not that it's any of your business, or that it's of any relevance. This is the internetz, we're all imaginary people.

And just because I don't use racial slurs, it doesn't mean that I think they should be outlawed. But being a moonshine swilling redneck , what do I know?

[Mac_Hine]

I'm curious, Mac Hine. Where do you get your news from? Just a question.

Internetz, various newspapers. Anyone who watches any CNN or MSNBC has no right to berate Fox. It's all basically the same shit.

[Realgirls4me]

What on the internet? Give me some specifics if you don't mind?


I'm outta here for now.

[Mac_Hine]

What on the internet? Give me some specifics if you don't mind?


I'm outta here for now.

www.zmag.org is a good place to start. Lotsa links, interesting bloggers, etc.

[gimmeurblood]

its funny i didnt even find out about this until today because i was sitting in a bar and it came on the news. my only thought was they are just words it doesnt hurt until a dictionary, encyclopedia, or thesarus or some such think book slaps you across the face...i mean imus is a shock jock. that implies that hes gonna say somethign that pisses somebody off. and everyones so goddamn PC nowadays that to do his job hes gotta go "there". it just seems like in these days of throwing people out of windows ,dragging them behind trucks, nd government conspiracys or whatever you want to add that it would take more than a few words to rile everybody up

a close friend told me once it should only offend if it applies

thank you for letting me vent, return to whatever you were doing before i wasted your time

[chefmike]

Al Sharpton: Comedy Critic and Dictator
Jeff Norman

How sad to see Don Imus submit to a ridiculous verbal assault by the not so nappy-headed Al Sharpton, who thinks Imus should be fired from his CBS Radio and MSNBC television jobs for having told an edgy joke. As nothing about these employers is really the issue here, Sharpton presumably would also object to another outfit hiring Imus.

That's fair. One controversial comment, and kiss your career goodbye. Maybe all comedians who offend the portly preacher should be banished from show business.

Sharpton contends Imus should be held to a higher standard than, say, Chris Rock, because Imus frequently interviews politicians. Seriously. That's Sharpton's position. In the world according to Al, performers whose work is racist or sexist are allowed to earn a living, unless and until they host a show that books elected representatives or candidates as guests on the program.

I say Al Sharpton is a racist, because he's imposing a requirement on a white performer that he has not imposed on any black performer. Furthermore, I am in GREAT MENTAL ANGUISH about this matter. In fact, it would not be enough for Sharpton to apologize. No, the pain is far too great. The only acceptable remedy is for Sharpton to be relieved of his radio gig and to have his left testicle removed by an alligator. I know it sounds harsh, but that's what I need. I'm upset, I'm lusting for Al to be tormented, and nothing else matters.

Did I mention how shocked and distressed I am?

Author's bio-

Jeff Norman is the Director of U.S. Tour of Duty (USTOD), a non-profit project that supports and promotes the anti-war advocacy of Iraq veterans, military families, policy experts, activists, and performers by organizing public forums, producing video news segments, and maintaining a website (www.ustourofduty.org). USTOD is also making a documentary called "Amazing Disgrace: The Betrayal of Soldiers and their Families." Jeff is a former writer-comedian-producer who has supported freedom of expression causes for many years. His USTOD work now focuses on disseminating important information that is otherwise ignored or distorted.

[Legend]

That's just one guys bias opinion about sharpton from those jokes its hard to tell he was a former comedian.

The notion that he unfairy targets only whites is laughable im sure he holds blacks up to the same standards didn't he not to long ago asked blacks to stop using the n word,people like norman should stop using the same old excuse and just comment on the subject at hand.

[chefmike]

From progressive columnist Taylor Marsh:

"Imus's purposeful slander against the Rutgers team is nothing different than what black rap artists do to women every day in studios and on CDs across this country. Some female rap artists join in. Now everyone is recalibrating and looking inward. Yesterday Jesse Jackson had the audacity to come after MSNBC for not having a black anchor that has producers and writers and a staff, all the while David Gregory repeated more than twice that Alison Stewart is an African American with her own show. Jackson ignored it. Why? Because Stewart is a black woman and she doesn't count? Was Jackson making another point, pushing his own agenda? Nah, that would never happen. Never mind that Alison Stewart is one of the most talented women in cable news today. Yet yesterday on Hardball Jackson ignored that she indeed has her own show no matter how many times Gregory said it. Why? Women are never given their due and the higher we rise the worse it becomes for us all, especially when we criticize one type of slander while ignoring another."

[Legend]

From progressive columnist Taylor Marsh:

"Imus's purposeful slander against the Rutgers team is nothing different than what black rap artists do to women every day in studios and on CDs across this country. Some female rap artists join in. Now everyone is recalibrating and looking inward. Yesterday Jesse Jackson had the audacity to come after MSNBC for not having a black anchor that has producers and writers and a staff, all the while David Gregory repeated more than twice that Alison Stewart is an African American with her own show. Jackson ignored it. Why? Because Stewart is a black woman and she doesn't count? Was Jackson making another point, pushing his own agenda? Nah, that would never happen. Never mind that Alison Stewart is one of the most talented women in cable news today. Yet yesterday on Hardball Jackson ignored that she indeed has her own show no matter how many times Gregory said it. Why? Women are never given their due and the higher we rise the worse it becomes for us all, especially when we criticize one type of slander while ignoring another."

Same old excuse they are doing it so it's ok,it's funny how all the attention is moving away from imus to sharpton and jackson.

[chefmike]

That's just one guys bias opinion about sharpton from those jokes its hard to tell he was a former comedian.



LMFAO...The difference between he and you, Legend, is as simple as you are....

While he had to work at making people laugh, people just laugh at you, don't they...

[Mac_Hine]

There was nothing funny or edgy about the Imus quote. It was a stupid racist comment. Just deal with it like an adult.

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

From progressive columnist Taylor Marsh:

"Imus's purposeful slander against the Rutgers team is nothing different than what black rap artists do to women every day in studios and on CDs across this country. "

it's a very weird standard................

The majority of the top-selling rap artists in the U.S. are African-American and in many of their circles calling a broad a "ho" is in no way as bad as someone outside their race calling a woman within their same race a "ho"

kinda crazy, same effect as the dreaded "n" word, go figure

it's not right at all, but that's how it's played..................

[Legend]

That's just one guys bias opinion about sharpton from those jokes its hard to tell he was a former comedian.



LMFAO...The difference between he and you, Legend, is as simple as you are....

While he had to work at making people laugh, people just laugh at you, don't they...

I'm sure after people read his bias article he will be laugh at as well,who the fuck makes testicle jokes.

[biguy4tvtscd]

Think about living with the first amendment this way... Conjure up the most vile, disgusting, denigrating thing someone could say about you. Then, learn to live with hearing that all day every day. Once you wrap your brain around that, you'll understand that the price of freedom of speech, is having to occasionally put up with hearing something you'd rather not.

As for those calling for Imus's job, well that decision rests entirely with his boss, and only his boss.
If you don't like Imus, don't listen
If you don't like his bosses decsion, then don't spend your time or money on their product.



it's not right at all, but that's how it's played..................

So we should all just play along? The double standard is bull. No words should be censored or worse separated into an "ok for group A but not group B" scenario.

[chefmike]

That's just one guys bias opinion about sharpton from those jokes its hard to tell he was a former comedian.



LMFAO...The difference between he and you, Legend, is as simple as you are....

While he had to work at making people laugh, people just laugh at you, don't they...

I'm sure after people read his bias article he will be laugh at as well,who the fuck makes testicle jokes.

Legend, what can I say?

Except that you still remain the epitome of a testicle joke, of course...

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

So we should all just play along? The double standard is bull. No words should be censored or worse separated into an "ok for group A but not group B" scenario.

I can't remember once in this thread where I said or subliminally suggested that any of us should just play along.

[chefmike]

So we should all just play along? The double standard is bull. No words should be censored or worse separated into an "ok for group A but not group B" scenario.

I can't remember once in this thread where I said or subliminally suggested that any of us should just play along.

You haven't.

And if I may...nor is that the the JWBL that we have known here in this forum...hell, he's almost to the right of Alan Keyes... :lol:

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

Awwwwwwwwwwwwww cmon, I can't be that far off from my sarcastic, evil, cut-throat self

[ILuvGurls]

as i read this i can't help but laugh at the people that think jackson or sharpton are on the up and up.

if you think these guys are around for the good of society....you have not been around long enough....don't care if you are black, white, yellow....whatever

ROBBERS

[Realgirls4me]

as i read this i can't help but laugh at the people that think jackson or sharpton are on the up and up.

if you think these guys are around for the good of society....you have not been around long enough....don't care if you are black, white, yellow....whatever

ROBBERS

Yeah, yeah, attack the messenger, and the people they usually take on are really on the up and up, right?

[DJ_Asia]

I have a Q for the African-American members..

When a black man call another man a "nigga" or says he is nappy headed or what have you...its ok.

When a white man says it,he's a the scum of the earth and needs to be immediately silenced....or has a serious ass kicking coming.

When a rap artist says things like:

Give me a black goddess sister I can't resist her. No stringy haired, blonde
hair, blue eyed, pale skinned buttermilk complexion. Grafted, recessive,
depressive, ironing board backside straight up and straight down. No
frills, no thrills, Miss six o'clock, subject to have the itch, mutanoid,
caucazoid, white cave bitch...

[Verse One: Ice Cube]

Ease back white bitch, I don't play that
Just because I got on my L.A. hat
Stalkin' walking in my big black boots
Is my jingle, now you want Mandingo
Big, black and handsome
I should hold your devil ass for ransome
Sorta like Patty Herst, but I'll burst first bitch
And you know what's worse
I'm coming from the land where the choppers roam
So phuck you bitch and your Coppertone
Stringy hair - no derrier - frontin' and fakin' with your silicone pair
Do I wanna phuck? Not hardly
That's kinda like Barbie phuckin' Bob Marley
It ain't gonna happen, I keep rappin'
Muthaphuck Teniell, but see I'm the Captain of this ship
And I'm true to the game
Ya all look the same
Standin' by my backstage door, hopin' that'll switch
Spread out you little cave bitch

[Verse Two: Ice Cube]

Why everytime we get famous
You wanna play us like Andy and Amos?
The devil sent you to try and tame us
But you can't tame me, with no bitch named Amy
Lookin' for the dark meat
But ho, I ain't tryin' to go out like Barkely
Cuz everytime I turn on the TV
I see several brothers with she-devils
Smilin' cuz you out on a date
But sooner or later, the bitch'll yell rape
Soon as daddy found out you a jigaboo
He'll kill like he did Emmitt Till
Yah, he tried to kick bass
But the bitch probably threw it in his face
Sargent Bale ain't nothin' but a trick
Nasty as hell, stanky little cave bitch

[Verse Three:]

Now don't think that I hate you
Cuz I won't date you, bitch I gotta stay true
You can be a fan, but don't expand
And try to get my dick in your hand
You better run to the minute man
Pale as snow, so act like y'know
Cuz if I slap it, flip it, and rub it like that
Yeah, it gotta be black
Plus yo ass too flat
I need a butt big enough that can clap
Rat-a-tat-tat
You can't get mine ho
I'd rather phuck an albino
Atleast I know, she's comin' from the Nubian
And not the Ku Klux Klan that you be in
And I don't give a fuck if your family is rich
You're still a little cave bitch

its okay,its funny it sells millions yet Imus comments equal him to the devil.

African Americans make the call for equality,yet through their lifestyle,vocabulary,culture and behaviour they show a complete and total double standard.Whats good and OK for us aint okay for you....

Q: How can blacks expect equality when its rubbed in the faces of white america that they can exist and behave on a level that no white dare tread upon.Its a double standard...it cannot be both.

[Legend]

Double Standards LOL why do people continue to use that excuse,they say it so thats our excuse for saying it.

Their is no double standards blacks or whites shouldn't use the n word or any other racial insult,address the current problem don't look for excuses.

[BlackAdder]

Damn....you nailed it DJ_Asia

[Solitary Brother]

Have you listened to rap lyrics, and heard how they describe women?
Is Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson advocating boycotting their cd's and concerts?
NO.
What he said was fucked up, but there is a double standard.
btw, i'm not a republican.

Actually yes......there is a article,an editorial which say that Al Sharpton has led boycotts and went to the producers and distributers of the filthy rap lyrics.
I can find the link if you like.

By the way republican.....I just walked past two white guys in a rural town who refer to each other as "nigga".........PERFECT.

[DJ_Asia]

Double Standards LOL why do people continue to use that excuse,they say it so thats our excuse for saying it.

Their is no double standards blacks or whites shouldn't use the n word or any other racial insult,address the current problem don't look for excuses.

Legend,

There are many acts in this world that "shouldnt" take place yet they do.You cannot skew the rules to meet your fantasy...you must deal the hand you were dealt.People say the N word all the time...whites and blacks...for one its cool...for another its not...thats UN-EQUAL...no matter what slant you reflect it against.

Each of these issues are interconnected and to deal w/ racism is to deal with entire spectrum from both sides.

[Realgirls4me]

its okay,its funny it sells millions yet Imus comments equal him to the devil.

African Americans make the call for equality,yet through their lifestyle,vocabulary,culture and behaviour they show a complete and total double standard.Whats good and OK for us aint okay for you....

Q: How can blacks expect equality when its rubbed in the faces of white america that they can exist and behave on a level that no white dare tread upon.Its a double standard...it cannot be both.

I can't speak for the blacks here, and won't try to, but as one who grew up in a predominantly black neighborhood, and whose best friend happens to be African-American, I feel I can offer insight that ones growing up in a lily white neighborhood or have never had any close African-American friends can't.

Your questions have to do with Private versus Public language. Whatever jargon, lexicon, vocabulary, slang, speech, etc., they or any minority has between them is theirs to run roughshod over with FIRST. Some of it eventually crosses into the mainstream, but some of it doesn't, e.g., Nigga, Nigger. Imus is white, and one identified as from the party of power and privilege historically, so that's a double whammy to say the least and verbotten. He shouldn't joke around with terms that even black leaders such as Sharpton and Jackson have decried and have been at work to remove.

Unless you are from a race that has been historically oppressed in this country, or have been followed in a store simply because of your color, you aren't likely to understand.

[DJ_Asia]

When a black man call another man a "nigga" or says he is nappy headed or what have you...its ok.

When a white man says it,he's a the scum of the earth and needs to be immediately silenced....or has a serious ass kicking coming.

You have to understand that the context that urban america is using it is completely different from what a Caucasian using it as. Nigga and Nigger is not the same. Just like Bear, Bare, and Beer are not the same. Completely different.

Unisex,

I understand the context/usage thoughts you provide,yet that doesnt address the Q I posed....which is...

Regardless of reasoning or justification how can one group call for equality when they fail to offer it to opposing group on all fronts?

[Legend]

its okay,its funny it sells millions yet Imus comments equal him to the devil.

African Americans make the call for equality,yet through their lifestyle,vocabulary,culture and behaviour they show a complete and total double standard.Whats good and OK for us aint okay for you....

Q: How can blacks expect equality when its rubbed in the faces of white america that they can exist and behave on a level that no white dare tread upon.Its a double standard...it cannot be both.

I can't speak for the blacks here, and won't try to, but as one who grew up in a predominantly black neighborhood, and whose best friend happens to be African-American, I feel I can offer insight that ones growing up in a lily white neighborhood or have never had any close African-American friends can't.

Your questions have to do with Private versus Public language. Whatever jargon, lexicon, vocabulary, slang, speech, etc., they or any minority has between them is theirs to run roughshod over with FIRST. Some of it eventually crosses into the mainstream, but some of it doesn't, e.g., Nigga, Nigger. Imus is white, and one identified as from the party of power and privilege historically, so that's a double whammy to say the least and verbotten. He shouldn't joke around with terms that even black leaders such as Sharpton and Jackson have been at work to remove.

Unless you are from a race that has been historically oppressed in this country, or have been followed in a store simply because of your color, you aren't likely to understand.

That's basically how i look at it no one should be able to dictate and try to excuse what is offensive unless you have been what these races have been through jewish,black people etc.Unless you have been through what they have you shouldn't ask why is it offensive.

[Solitary Brother]

I dunno --I think there's a huge double standard -----and I think any punishment is too much ---I dunno ---like yeah --rap music ---Dave Chapelle ----if we are all equal --we should all be able to say the same things ---------------yeah --maybe rap music and Chapelle's statements and insults --or racial slurrs ---are in jest ----but it wasn't like Don Imus was YELLING --or DAMNING these women to hell eternal ---he was being a wise ass --tongue in cheek --smirk smirk -carry on ---trying to be FUNNY ---kinda like Chapelle --------seriously ---if Dave Chapelle called some chick a "nappy headed ho" ---in a sketch/skit ------do you think anyone would give a crap? ---



and yeah ---what the hell is "nappy-headed" ---anyways?

Ok let me explain it to you non-blacks out there.
There are VERY few BLACK talk show hosts out there......thats why you have to compare a white talk show host such as rush or michael savage or Imus to a COMEDIAN or athlete.
Its not the same.
Imus bring in hundreds of MILLIONS of dollars in ad revenue to CBS and NBC which is why he hasnt been fired over past transgressions.
Tim Hardaways comments were almost UNIVERSALLY panned......except by the NAACP ironicly.
But to compare Tim Hardaway or Mel Gibson or even Michael Richards to a talk show host........its not applicable and if you cant understand that I cant help you.

[Realgirls4me]

Unisex,

I understand the context thoughts you provide,yet that doesnt address the Q I posed....which is...

Regardless of reasoning or justification how can one group call for equality when they fail to offer it to opposing group on all fronts?

It's a way of getting back at the man by twisting his words and using it against him. See it? A black calling another black "nigga" is not unlike calling him a comrad of sorts. Their call for equality is still in play, and you are not likely to see African-Americans who have made it in this system referring to one another in such terms. See it?

[johnb]

felicia katt wrote the best response to this, but somehow i got distracted looking and her pics below, and i can't remember what she said

[Solitary Brother]

Will you white folk out there EVER own up to your racism and bigotry?
Im not the biggest fan or Jesse or AL but the reason they exist is because there is NO white leader who looks out for the interest of black people...............EVEN NOW IN 2007!
Im sorry......you people are delusional.
I listen to talk show hosts.......white ones who question people patriotism and manjood over this Iraq issue but have never themselves enlisted in the army.
Dick Cheney had 5 FUCKING DEFEREMENTS!
The airwaves are PUBLIC PROPERTY!
We own them therefore we ALL have a say about what is broadcast over them.
I watched larry king tonight and he was an EMBARRASSMENT!
He is good friends with the bosses at these stations and instead of treating his black guests with nuetrality his interview was conducted with a tone akin to an interrogation!
EMBARRASING!
The women on the RUTGERS basketball team are the VICTIMS here not Imus........he is NOT the victim of some PC witch hunt!
He called Serena and Venus Williams "animals" and said it would be more fitting to see them in the pages of National Geograpic than Playboy.
Imus has a long and sordid history of epithets against Jews and women too.

I am so tired of white racism..........
If something(god forbid) where to happen to Imus it would be his bosses fault because of his LONG history of make these disgusting comments.

By the way in reference to rap music.
The same "bosses" who own the media companies also own the record companies and ALL they care about it the buck.
Case in point.
You all remember the Public Enemy flap with member "Professor Grif"?
He made so derogatory comments about jews.....there was an uproar in the jewish community.
I was living in the projects at the time and the guys at the record store were saying "those jews will never let another album of theirs drop".
Well soon enough the album dropped.
Why?
Because in this instance the affected community OWNED the rights to Public Enemies music and were making money from it.
The "check righters" in hip hop are almost all jewish........go check......
I do not however give blacks who produce rap music with filthy lyrics a pass.
I think 90 percent of hip hop is garbage.
My last couple of hip hop records I purchased were made by white guys.........PREFUSE and RDJ2.

[DJ_Asia]

not suprisingly the solution to racism will not be uncoverd on HA today :jawdrop

[Kabuki]

I have a Q for the African-American members..

When a black man call another man a "nigga" or says he is nappy headed or what have you...its ok.

When a white man says it,he's a the scum of the earth and needs to be immediately silenced....or has a serious ass kicking coming.

When a rap artist says things like:

Give me a black goddess sister I can't resist her. No stringy haired, blonde
hair, blue eyed, pale skinned buttermilk complexion. Grafted, recessive,
depressive, ironing board backside straight up and straight down. No
frills, no thrills, Miss six o'clock, subject to have the itch, mutanoid,
caucazoid, white cave bitch...

[Verse One: Ice Cube]

Ease back white bitch, I don't play that
Just because I got on my L.A. hat
Stalkin' walking in my big black boots
Is my jingle, now you want Mandingo
Big, black and handsome
I should hold your devil ass for ransome
Sorta like Patty Herst, but I'll burst first bitch
And you know what's worse
I'm coming from the land where the choppers roam
So phuck you bitch and your Coppertone
Stringy hair - no derrier - frontin' and fakin' with your silicone pair
Do I wanna phuck? Not hardly
That's kinda like Barbie phuckin' Bob Marley
It ain't gonna happen, I keep rappin'
Muthaphuck Teniell, but see I'm the Captain of this ship
And I'm true to the game
Ya all look the same
Standin' by my backstage door, hopin' that'll switch
Spread out you little cave bitch

[Verse Two: Ice Cube]

Why everytime we get famous
You wanna play us like Andy and Amos?
The devil sent you to try and tame us
But you can't tame me, with no bitch named Amy
Lookin' for the dark meat
But ho, I ain't tryin' to go out like Barkely
Cuz everytime I turn on the TV
I see several brothers with she-devils
Smilin' cuz you out on a date
But sooner or later, the bitch'll yell rape
Soon as daddy found out you a jigaboo
He'll kill like he did Emmitt Till
Yah, he tried to kick bass
But the bitch probably threw it in his face
Sargent Bale ain't nothin' but a trick
Nasty as hell, stanky little cave bitch

[Verse Three:]

Now don't think that I hate you
Cuz I won't date you, bitch I gotta stay true
You can be a fan, but don't expand
And try to get my dick in your hand
You better run to the minute man
Pale as snow, so act like y'know
Cuz if I slap it, flip it, and rub it like that
Yeah, it gotta be black
Plus yo ass too flat
I need a butt big enough that can clap
Rat-a-tat-tat
You can't get mine ho
I'd rather phuck an albino
Atleast I know, she's comin' from the Nubian
And not the Ku Klux Klan that you be in
And I don't give a fuck if your family is rich
You're still a little cave bitch

its okay,its funny it sells millions yet Imus comments equal him to the devil.

African Americans make the call for equality,yet through their lifestyle,vocabulary,culture and behaviour they show a complete and total double standard.Whats good and OK for us aint okay for you....

Q: How can blacks expect equality when its rubbed in the faces of white america that they can exist and behave on a level that no white dare tread upon.Its a double standard...it cannot be both.

Where should I start here? I honestly don't think most of the white community can understand the complex nature of the African-American community.

The current problems that Black America has is due to the oppressive nature of a white run government. Black America has never been on equal grounds with white America. When we had strong leaders, they were murdered. Martin Luther King...Malcolm X (who was going to team-up with King before he was murdered). The only real support from white leaders were JFK, and his brother. The ghetto was flooded with drugs, and guns. You just can't make simple claims here people. It's a sociology issue now. You can't even expect change until you break the cycle. The schools in the hood are underfunded, and you expect change? There are factions that don't want to see any positive changes. There are plenty of black people that don't even take part of the so-called lifestyle that everyone wants to group us in.

What you see in the media people is not a correct interpretation of African- Americans in this country.

Black music is not even controlled by Black America. Corporate companies want certain types of music to sell. BET (the black cable station) has a play list made by corporations. That is why you will not see the Underground videos pushing for social change. It is out there. Then you have artists who decide they have to put out a certain type of music. If they want to be on BET and MTV they must sound the way they do. White America purchases more rap music than the African-American community. When groups like NWA were going on tour, who do you think were buying the expensive tour jackets?

By the way, the Ice Cube song is old, and recorded during his Nation of Islam days. Don't group all Black people with the Nation. The Nation has some racist beliefs in their interpretation of Islam. I will also say that all the members of the Nation aren't racist. The world is complicated. You can't simplify things.

White America is blind to the truth, or just doesn't get it. It's sad to read some of these comments. I'm a college educated Black male, and you don't know the pain and struggles I've dealt with. I just think the..."well they can say it" excuse is a bunch of bs with some people. What I really hear is that they want to cal me a "nigger". They rather see me in a field picking cotton before they see me selling art in a gallery...or writing research papers.

I don't know. I'm not a great debater, but just know that there's more to the Black community issues than you seem to realize.

[ezed]

I have several opinions on this matter which I'll keep in check for the moment, but why do some in here automatically feel that the Jesse Jacksons and Al Sharptons of the world take stands on cases such as this one for their own benefit or to pursue some political agenda? Talk about cynicism at work? Did it ever occur to any of their detractors here and elsewhere that the Jacksons, Sharptons, and other minority rights leaders, offer a voice for those who might not be heard otherwise? Would this be on the forefront of every national news cast if only a few members of the Rutgers team held a press conference to chastise Imus? I doubt it.
Yes, one can debate their gaffes (Hymietown,Tawna Brawley,etc), and thus hypocrisy, particularly given that Sharpton wants Imus fired, but frequently appears on the O'Reilly Factor -- the biggest closet bigot (O'Reilly) on the Fox News network. The bottom line is that the Jacksons and Sharptons serve a noble purpose in that they want those who say things like this to be held accountable, and that we as a civilized society move forwards and not backwards. Let's also not forget that Sharpton in particular has been consistent in this area given his frequent -- FREQUENT -- criticism of rap music and its mysogynistic lyrics. I can certainly understand why this gaffe by Imus would really upset a man such as Sharpton, and why he would want Imus's head on a platter. I personally think it's a bit on the extreme to ask for this man's job, but I can also understand why the Sharptons and Jacksons are asking for it. It's simply another case of the "man" trying to tell a minority what and what not to find offensive.

... If only the TS community had someone such as a Jackson or Sharpton to bring light to the issues and mistreatment to what some of the girls here experience on a daily basis.

I'll agree with you sharpton and jackson speak for those who can't speak for themselves, take the widow of the african american who was wrongfully shoot in NYC for no reason by several cops,sharpton simply gave the widow a voice in that community.Alot of times african americans don't have the money to hire big attorneys and such people like sharpton volunteer thier services for free which they should be applauded for.

Blow me you fag. Where were they when they had the riots at Madison Square Garden a few weeks ago during the high school basketball tournament? Where were they when the black dude pulled a Joe Frazier on the ninety year old women in the foyer of her building a few weeks ago. You didn't hear a peep from them! But a fucking DJ makes a stupid comment and their all over it. Give me a break. Jesse Hackson and Al Sharpton are nappy headed ho's in it for their own image ONLY! And they could give two fucks for the black community.

Jesus Christ, they're as much political whores as all the white guys! This is the reality of things.

[ezed]

Sorry, Legend you keep changing your avatar. You are not a fag! but the rest of my post stands. I still like you.

[tubgirl]

Double Standards LOL why do people continue to use that excuse,they say it so thats our excuse for saying it.

Their is no double standards blacks or whites shouldn't use the n word or any other racial insult,address the current problem don't look for excuses.

your posts literally make my head hurt

[tubgirl]

i need to ask an honest question here. i have read most of this thread, and didn't see it addressed yet...

why is it (and this is only what i have seen, it may not be true) that blacks are the only culture that constantly puts the hyphen before "American" to describe themselves?

you will never hear a black man saying he is an "American", it always has to be "African-American"

[Kabuki]

i need to ask an honest question here. i have read most of this thread, and didn't see it addressed yet...

why is it (and this is only what i have seen, it may not be true) that blacks are the only culture that constantly puts the hyphen before "American" to describe themselves?

you will never hear a black man saying he is an "American", it always has to be "African-American"

I doubt you are around any "African-Americans". We usually don't even use that term. It's a label. I'm black. "African-American" is commonly used when dealing with the media, so that's why you usually just hear that term.

[tubgirl]

i need to ask an honest question here. i have read most of this thread, and didn't see it addressed yet...

why is it (and this is only what i have seen, it may not be true) that blacks are the only culture that constantly puts the hyphen before "American" to describe themselves?

you will never hear a black man saying he is an "American", it always has to be "African-American"

I doubt you are around any "African-Americans". We usually don't even use that term. It's a label. I'm black. "African-American" is commonly used when dealing with the media, so that's why you usually just hear that term.

not true. i grew up in a black neighborhood, went to a black school. i did hear the term "black" used a lot, but "African-American" was up there as well.

you are right, though. i think it is more a media term...

[tubgirl]

If you were born in this country, then you're an American plain and simple.

so, none of the rutgers basketball players were born in the united states?

[Legend]

Double Standards LOL why do people continue to use that excuse,they say it so thats our excuse for saying it.

Their is no double standards blacks or whites shouldn't use the n word or any other racial insult,address the current problem don't look for excuses.

your posts literally make my head hurt

That could be the prozac at work you lunatic,please crawl back under the rock you came out of.Don't stick your nose in subjects you know nothing about.

[Legend]

i need to ask an honest question here. i have read most of this thread, and didn't see it addressed yet...

why is it (and this is only what i have seen, it may not be true) that blacks are the only culture that constantly puts the hyphen before "American" to describe themselves?

you will never hear a black man saying he is an "American", it always has to be "African-American"

I doubt you are around any "African-Americans". We usually don't even use that term. It's a label. I'm black. "African-American" is commonly used when dealing with the media, so that's why you usually just hear that term.

not true. i grew up in a black neighborhood, went to a black school. i did hear the term "black" used a lot, but "African-American" was up there as well.

you are right, though. i think it is more a media term...

Again you don't know what the fuck your talking about just because you grew up around african american people that doesn't make you a expert in their culture,what respectful african american person would refer to another as a black,thats a term made up by people like you who know nothing of the culture and is meant to be used as an insult.

[chefmike]

Again you don't know what the fuck your talking about just because you grew up around african american people that doesn't make you a expert in their culture,what respectful african american person would refer to another as a black,thats a term made up by people like you who know nothing of the culture and is meant to be used as an insult.

[Legend]

All you guys are closet racist on here,the reason you question people like sharpton and jackson because deep inside you hate what they stand for they provide help to poor african americans who have been discriminated against.

I'm sure many of you have said the n word before in your life or said something meant as a racial insult but are never called out because people around you share the same racial beliefs.

You will never understand what african american people have been through so to ask any questions as to why that feel insulted is ridiculous,you can't ask why unless you have been what they have been through.

[Mac_Hine]

All you guys are closet racist on here,the reason you question people like sharpton and jackson because deep inside you hate what they stand for they provide help to poor african americans who have been discriminated against.

I'm sure many of you have said the n word before in your life or said something meant as a racial insult but are never called out because people around you share the same racial beliefs.

You will never understand what african american people have been through so to ask any questions as to why that feel insulted is ridiculous,you can't ask why unless you have been what they have been through.

I question Jackson and Sharpton because they are men who wield significant power and have shown incredible hypocrisy in their statements and actions.

Calling everyone who disagrees you with a racist is just plain ignorant. I have no idea what it's like to be black in America, but showing outrage over a benign, if not stupid, statement that some retarded disc jockey made is, if nothing else, a waste of resources and time, which could be spent on more pressing matters.

Tell me, as an african american, if you think this is an issue the Black community should be spending any time on.

[chefmike]

BTW, Legend...has anyone ever called YOU a nappy-headed ho?

If not, please allow me to be the first...

Legend, you are most definitely a NAPPY-HEADED HO!

[Quinn]

All you guys are closet racist on here,the reason you question people like sharpton and jackson because deep inside you hate what they stand for they provide help to poor african americans who have been discriminated against.

Let me see if I get this. According to you, recognizing the unequivocal hypocrisy of men like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, not to mention the extremely selective nature of their outrage, somehow equates to racism? Please tell me you aren’t that mind numbingly stupid.

Bottom line: yes, Imus is a complete ass, but the unavoidable fact is that Jackson – and Sharpton in particular – are of precisely the same character and should not be involved in this at all.

-Quinn

[Legend]

BTW, Legend...has anyone ever called YOU a nappy-headed ho?

If not, please allow me to be the first...

Legend, you are most definitely a NAPPY-HEADED HO!

I won't stoop to your level of name calling but that right that shows your whole attitude towards this whole matter,you look at that reference as a joke.It doesn't affect me but try saying that to an african american face to face i'm sure he won't look at that as some sort of joke.That's the problem with guys like you and imus you think everything can be made into a joke until you get call out then you try to get serious.

[chefmike]

BTW, Legend...has anyone ever called YOU a nappy-headed ho?

If not, please allow me to be the first...

Legend, you are most definitely a NAPPY-HEADED HO!

I won't stoop to your level of name calling but that right that shows your whole attitude towards this whole matter,you look at that reference as a joke.It doesn't affect me but try saying that to an african american face to face i'm sure he won't look at that as some sort of joke.That's the problem with guys like you and imus you think everything can be made into a joke until you get call out then you try to get serious.

LMFAO!

Take you seriously, Legend?

It's never gonna happen.

But you did get one thing right....you are indeed a joke, Legend.

[Legend]

BTW, Legend...has anyone ever called YOU a nappy-headed ho?

If not, please allow me to be the first...

Legend, you are most definitely a NAPPY-HEADED HO!

I won't stoop to your level of name calling but that right that shows your whole attitude towards this whole matter,you look at that reference as a joke.It doesn't affect me but try saying that to an african american face to face i'm sure he won't look at that as some sort of joke.That's the problem with guys like you and imus you think everything can be made into a joke until you get call out then you try to get serious.

LMFAO!

Take you seriously, Legend?

It's never gonna happen.

But you did get one thing right....you are indeed a joke, Legend.

Pathetic you can't even address anything you have to threw a insult or two which shows that you either can't address the topic straight forward or your trying to hide something either way it shows that you are the joke rather them me,i address matters straight forward with my own thoughts and never try to hide them by insulting others or posting others work,so instead of insulting me give your own personal views on the subject,can you do that?

[TJT]

Al knows nappy. Why do you think he goes so heavy on the pomade?

[biguy4tvtscd]

So we should all just play along? The double standard is bull. No words should be censored or worse separated into an "ok for group A but not group B" scenario.

I can't remember once in this thread where I said or subliminally suggested that any of us should just play along.

Apologies if you weren't. Your comment however, is an example of the "yeah, but" answer. (as in: Yeah it's wrong, but that's how it's always been done)

I just don't find that answer to be acceptable for the most part, and took it out on you.

[chefmike]

BTW, Legend...has anyone ever called YOU a nappy-headed ho?

If not, please allow me to be the first...

Legend, you are most definitely a NAPPY-HEADED HO!

I won't stoop to your level of name calling but that right that shows your whole attitude towards this whole matter,you look at that reference as a joke.It doesn't affect me but try saying that to an african american face to face i'm sure he won't look at that as some sort of joke.That's the problem with guys like you and imus you think everything can be made into a joke until you get call out then you try to get serious.

LMFAO!

Take you seriously, Legend?

It's never gonna happen.

But you did get one thing right....you are indeed a joke, Legend.

Pathetic you can't even address anything you have to threw a insult or two which shows that you either can't address the topic straight forward or your trying to hide something either way it shows that you are the joke rather them me,i address matters straight forward with my own thoughts and never try to hide them by insulting others or posting others work,so instead of insulting me give your own personal views on the subject,can you do that?

[chefmike]

Al knows nappy. Why do you think he goes so heavy on the pomade?

I personally think that a jerry curl would suit Al much better...

[Legend]

Same old thing from you chef funny pics with little or nothing to say.All you have done in this thread is post a couple of articles from huffington post and throw a lame joke in here,your character seems to have little substance whatsoever meaning you avoid real subjects with humor, i don't think jbwl posted this at first so you guys can poke fun at african american sterotypes.

You seem more like the retarded one,you can't post anything without displaying an idiotic picture or worse posting articles from other sites to express how you feel.So my freind unless you have something meaningful to say on the subject at hand on your own i don't have anything else to say to you.

[chefmike]

Same old thing from you chef funny pics with little or nothing to say.All you have done in this thread is post a couple of articles from huffington post and throw a lame joke in here,your character seems to have little substance whatsoever meaning you avoid real subjects with humor, i don't think jbwl posted this at first so you guys can poke fun at african american sterotypes.

You seem more like the retarded one,you can't post anything without displaying an idiotic picture or worse posting articles from other sites to express how you feel.So my freind unless you have something meaningful to say on the subject at hand on your own i don't have anything else to say to you.

[tubgirl]

i need to ask an honest question here. i have read most of this thread, and didn't see it addressed yet...

why is it (and this is only what i have seen, it may not be true) that blacks are the only culture that constantly puts the hyphen before "American" to describe themselves?

you will never hear a black man saying he is an "American", it always has to be "African-American"

I doubt you are around any "African-Americans". We usually don't even use that term. It's a label. I'm black. "African-American" is commonly used when dealing with the media, so that's why you usually just hear that term.

not true. i grew up in a black neighborhood, went to a black school. i did hear the term "black" used a lot, but "African-American" was up there as well.

you are right, though. i think it is more a media term...

Again you don't know what the fuck your talking about just because you grew up around african american people that doesn't make you a expert in their culture,what respectful african american person would refer to another as a black,thats a term made up by people like you who know nothing of the culture and is meant to be used as an insult.


uhmmm....you do realize that you just contradicted what unisex and the others have said about the "african american" term, right?

oh, and thanks for backing me up...

[insert_namehere]

Geez, you guys are all over the place.

I'd do a Rodney King here and say "can't we all just get along?" but chances are, that won't be happening anytime soon.

Shorthand: Imus is a douche for saying something THAT patently stupid. He's no spring chicken, he's been around the block and KNEW the possible (probable) consequences.

Simply put... Making blanket derogatory comments about people you don't know simply isn't cool.

In regards to free speech... Everyone is entitled to talk like a douchebag if they choose, just as everyone else is entitled to TREAT them like douchebags when they talk like one.

Race, nationality, creed or whathaveyou don't enter into it.

p.s. If you feel that Sharpton and Jackson are taking a free ride off of people's donations, well... don't send 'em any money. Simple pimple.

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

Al knows nappy. Why do you think he goes so heavy on the pomade?

actually his hair is and has always been processed that way out of his respect for the late great James Brown, they had close ties in Sharpton's younger days


I have a Q for the African-American members..

When a black man call another man a "nigga" or says he is nappy headed or what have you...its ok.

When a white man says it,he's a the scum of the earth and needs to be immediately silenced....or has a serious ass kicking coming.

its okay,its funny it sells millions yet Imus comments equal him to the devil.

African Americans make the call for equality,yet through their lifestyle,vocabulary,culture and behaviour they show a complete and total double standard.Whats good and OK for us aint okay for you....

Q: How can blacks expect equality when its rubbed in the faces of white america that they can exist and behave on a level that no white dare tread upon.Its a double standard...it cannot be both.

lol, daddy's of silver I tell ya.....................

look had the roles been reversed and the caucasians were the ones brought over on slave ships to U.S. and sold as slaves to African settlers of the North American lands, whipped daily, given rations of the scraps of food leftover from their African owners, forced to work tons of hours picking cotton, raped by their African owners during the day/night, etc. I suppose you could whine about double-standards and get away with it, but ya just can't................

the topic of this thread was about IMUS; not about Al Sharpton and his processed hair, not about Jesse "keep hope alive" Jackson, not Ice "white women are hoes, but buy my 'are we there yet?' DVD" Cube.........

and I think we can all agree that IMUS fucked up...........
He called a group of basketball players that were WOMEN, and were not all African-American by the way, a bunch of nappy headed hoes. There are many nationalities of WOMEN on Rutgers female's basketball team. This really isn't a Black/White issue as it is more of a sexist issue, but that's my opinion.

[Legend]

Al knows nappy. Why do you think he goes so heavy on the pomade?

actually his hair is and has always been processed that way out of his respect for the late great James Brown, they had close ties in Sharpton's younger days


I have a Q for the African-American members..

When a black man call another man a "nigga" or says he is nappy headed or what have you...its ok.

When a white man says it,he's a the scum of the earth and needs to be immediately silenced....or has a serious ass kicking coming.

its okay,its funny it sells millions yet Imus comments equal him to the devil.

African Americans make the call for equality,yet through their lifestyle,vocabulary,culture and behaviour they show a complete and total double standard.Whats good and OK for us aint okay for you....

Q: How can blacks expect equality when its rubbed in the faces of white america that they can exist and behave on a level that no white dare tread upon.Its a double standard...it cannot be both.

lol, daddy's of silver I tell ya.....................

look had the roles been reversed and the caucasians were the ones brought over on slave ships to U.S. and sold as slaves to African settlers of the North American lands, whipped daily, given rations of the scraps of food leftover from their African owners, forced to work tons of hours picking cotton, raped by their African owners during the day/night, etc. I suppose you could whine about double-standards and get away with it, but ya just can't................

the topic of this thread was about IMUS; not about Al Sharpton and his processed hair, not about Jesse "keep hope alive" Jackson, not Ice "white women are hoes, but buy my 'are we there yet?' DVD" Cube.........

and I think we can all agree that IMUS fucked up...........
He called a group of basketball players that were WOMEN, and were not all African-American by the way, a bunch of nappy headed hoes. There are many nationalities of WOMEN on Rutgers female's basketball team. This really isn't a Black/White issue as it is more of a sexist issue, but that's my opinion.


Thank you,how this topic went from the discussion of a bigot like imus to questioning sharpton and jackson's character is beyond me people need to understand this is not a joking matter,if you haven't been through what others have been through you shouldn't joke about the matter.

[DJ_Asia]

No one is doubting that the history of the black person in AmeriKKKa has been rough...I totally agree as do about 95% of white folks in the US that slavery was a fucked up situation.Nothing anyone alive can reverse what happened.

Further personally I do not see color,as I have more latino,black and asian friends than I do white.Thats not a message or a choice,its just the way the cards have landed.For me each person is judged on their actions and person not based upon the pigment of their skin,nor their orgin of heritage.

However...I personally do not know of a single American,white,red,brown,black,yellow that has ever owned a slave(outside of a consensual alternative lifestyle...different thread).what was done centuries ago cannot be changed.What can be changed is what happens in the present tense.

I cannot begin to count how many times I have heard a white person say"I never owned a slave...why do blacks hate me" And while that maybe a broad generalizing statement it personaifies why racial tension continues to this day.

As long as black america continues to use slavery as a reason for their anti white behaviour,then the anti black comments and attitudes will continure...and vice/versa.

And while "the double standard" rationale might grate on some peoples nerves,it doesnt discredit the fact that a double standard exists.

When a black leader speaks out on behalf of black maerica its ok...if a white leader where to speak out specifically on WHITE folks...its racist.

When Cube calls white girls "caucazoid cave bitches" its a platinum record which leads to more $ in his wallet.when Imus says "nappy headed ho's" he gets fired and makes the headlines as a racist.

Neither side is right...both are fucked up attitudes,but for once I'd like to see an affirmation that there is indeed TWO sides to this story.As in all things in the universe...For every action there is a reaction,and one cannot stop one without stopping the other.

[Legend]

As MSNBC pulls plug, pressure mounts on Imus
BY VERNE GAY


NBC Wednesday night dumped the simulcast of "Imus in the Morning" from its cable outlet, MSNBC, putting even greater pressure on CBS to make a decision about the future of its longstanding and profitable radio show.


In addition, Geico -- one of the program's most important advertisers -- confirmed to Newsday that it is "cancelling all of its national and local advertising connected with the Don Imus program."

The abrupt cancellation of the simulcast capped a brutal day for both CBS and embattled host Don Imus as he struggled to keep his job following his "nappy-headed hos" remarks about the Rutgers women's basketball team last week.

Procter & Gamble -- one of the nation's leading advertisers and a longtime bellwether of advertising trends -- said late Tuesday it would drop sponsorship of "Imus in the Morning." That was followed by a veritable cascade of defections throughout the day, with cancellations by Aetna, Sprint Nextel and American Express.

Imus' radio show originates from WFAN-AM in Astoria and is syndicated nationally by Westwood One, both of which are managed by CBS Corp.

Insurance giant Aetna pulled its advertising on Monday. "We found his remarks to be offensive and inappropriate, and we have redirected our advertising to other programming," a spokeswoman said.

Perhaps the toughest development for Imus came from CBS itself, when board member Bruce S. Gordon -- a former NAACP president -- called on the broadcaster to fire Imus.

Reached at his home Wednesday night, Gordon said it "is premature" to suggest that the ad defections alongside his condemnation would lead to Imus' firing.

"Management has to do a very thorough assessment, and not just of what he said, but all the implications of the disciplinary actions considered to be appropriate. I certainly have taken my position, but feel equally that management has to do its due diligence."

In a statement, CBS reiterated that it would stand by the previously announced two-week suspension beginning Monday, while "during that time, CBS Radio will continue to speak with all concerned parties and monitor the situation closely."

Nonetheless, the network's flagship broadcast, "The CBS Evening News With Katie Couric" reported Wednesday night that there is "growing pressure inside CBS" to make a decision on Imus' long-term future.

According to the statement released by NBC News, the cancellation of the simulcast "takes into account many conversations with our own employees. What matters to us most is that the men and women of NBC Universal have confidence in the values we have set for this company. This is the only decision that makes that possible. Once again, we apologize to the women of the Rutgers basketball team and to our viewers. We deeply regret the pain this incident has caused."

MSNBC's decision could have an impact on CBS' decision about whether to keep "Imus in the Morning" on radio. The MSNBC venue has been a longstanding success for both NBC and CBS, with each outlet effectively reinforcing the other. CBS reported that the program represented $8 million in annual advertising revenue for MSNBC.

General Motors Corp., a significant advertiser on the show, said Wednesday that it was suspending its advertising but could resume it later. "This is a very fluid situation, and we'll just continue to monitor it as it goes forward when he returns to the air," according to a spokeswoman.

Office supply chain Staples Inc. has also said it would pull out, and Bigelow Tea said it was considering doing so. Imus' program is worth about $15 million to CBS Corp., according to The Associated Press.

Staff writers Keiko Morris, Tami Luhby and Carl MacGowan contributed to this story, which was supplemented with Associated Press reports.

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

I personally do not know of a single American,white,red,brown,black,yellow that has ever owned a slave(outside of a consensual alternative lifestyle...different thread).what was done centuries ago cannot be changed.What can be changed is what happens in the present tense.


Most of us on this board have friends from a bunch of nationalities, and I can't speak for anyone else but my close friends have never owned slaves [there is my friend in the Hamptons but he says she is a maid so...]

it's not the point, this isn't a racial issue, it's easy for people to jump on board (Sharpton, Jackson, etc.) and say it is but the basketball team was composed of a few nationalities..................

Legend, good reply.................... it's nice to see companies protecting their client base

[Kramer]

MSNBC Pulls Imus in the morning


I didnt want to weigh in on this but what MSNBC did is truly puzzling. I hope this open the eyes of complacent white people thruout this country. Black people are capable of things like this? It is amazing, I dont know how they get companies to listen to them. Rich white corporate America is shivering in their boots over this? Black folks comprise only 12.5 percent of the population in the country. Yet they can bring on a firing like this, over a few ill chosen words. Imus didnt even use the N-word! There is something very wrong here. I can only hope that the white majority open their eyes and says "we've had enough already"!! It just shouldnt be this way. Billion dollar corporations bend over backwards to please these black folks. When in reality, if blacks boycotted thier products, these companies would never tell the difference. Yet they listen to the minority.

Its mind boggling!!!!!!!!!!! Open your eyes, white people, or it will only get worse! Very much worse! :shock:

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

MSNBC Pulls Imus in the morning


I didnt want to weigh in on this but what MSNBC did is truly puzzling. I hope this open the eyes of complacent white people thruout this country. Black people are capable of things like this? It is amazing, I dont know how they get companies to listen to them. Rich white corporate America is shivering in their boots over this? Black folks comprise only 12.5 percent of the population in the country. Yet they can bring on a firing like this, over a few ill chosen words. Imus didnt even use the N-word! There is something very wrong here. I can only hope that the white majority open their eyes and says "we've had enough already"!! It just shouldnt be this way. Billion dollar corporations bend over backwards to please these black folks. When in reality, if blacks boycotted thier products, these companies would never tell the difference. Yet they listen to the minority.

Its mind boggling!!!!!!!!!!! Open your eyes, white people, or it will only get worse! Very much worse! :shock:

LMAO, just out of curiosity am I the only person that thinks IMUS referred to a bunch of good-standing collegiate women as ho's (aka prosititutes)???
or does everyone here think this was a racial thing?

[Kramer]

JWBL, it was made into a racial thing by Sharp and jesse.

[Legend]

MSNBC Pulls Imus in the morning


I didnt want to weigh in on this but what MSNBC did is truly puzzling. I hope this open the eyes of complacent white people thruout this country. Black people are capable of things like this? It is amazing, I dont know how they get companies to listen to them. Rich white corporate America is shivering in their boots over this? Black folks comprise only 12.5 percent of the population in the country. Yet they can bring on a firing like this, over a few ill chosen words. Imus didnt even use the N-word! There is something very wrong here. I can only hope that the white majority open their eyes and says "we've had enough already"!! It just shouldnt be this way. Billion dollar corporations bend over backwards to please these black folks. When in reality, if blacks boycotted thier products, these companies would never tell the difference. Yet they listen to the minority.

Its mind boggling!!!!!!!!!!! Open your eyes, white people, or it will only get worse! Very much worse! :shock:



Go crawl back under the rock you came from and keep your racist bullshit to yourself,we all know what your about!

[DJ_Asia]

MSNBC Pulls Imus in the morning


I didnt want to weigh in on this but what MSNBC did is truly puzzling. I hope this open the eyes of complacent white people thruout this country. Black people are capable of things like this? It is amazing, I dont know how they get companies to listen to them. Rich white corporate America is shivering in their boots over this? Black folks comprise only 12.5 percent of the population in the country. Yet they can bring on a firing like this, over a few ill chosen words. Imus didnt even use the N-word! There is something very wrong here. I can only hope that the white majority open their eyes and says "we've had enough already"!! It just shouldnt be this way. Billion dollar corporations bend over backwards to please these black folks. When in reality, if blacks boycotted thier products, these companies would never tell the difference. Yet they listen to the minority.

Its mind boggling!!!!!!!!!!! Open your eyes, white people, or it will only get worse! Very much worse! :shock:

LMAO, just out of curiosity am I the only person that thinks IMUS referred to a bunch of good-standing collegiate women as ho's (aka prosititutes)???
or does everyone here think this was a racial thing?

It in my opinion WAS intended as a racist comment,and if that were ever in doubt as soon as Jesse and Al chimed in it totally erased any doubts

[Kramer]

youre an asshole Legend!

[Legend]

JWBL, it was made into a racial thing by Sharp and jesse.

Are you really that stupid?

[Legend]

youre an asshole Legend!

And that coming from a racist bastard who threaten to e-beat up a member of this board LOL i truly feel hurt now go crawl back under you rock and cut the internet tough guy image.

[ezed]

and I think we can all agree that IMUS fucked up...........
He called a group of basketball players that were WOMEN, and were not all African-American by the way, a bunch of nappy headed hoes. There are many nationalities of WOMEN on Rutgers female's basketball team. This really isn't a Black/White issue as it is more of a sexist issue, but that's my opinion.
[/b]

This paragraph sums it up in a nutshell. It is a sexist comment. Imus fucked up. These young girls did not deserve this characterization. They're 18 to 22. Imagine your daughter characterized as a ho at the proudest moment of your daughter's achievement. THAT IS WHAT HE (IMUS) SHOULD BE CHASTISED FOR!

Fucking Jackson and Sharpton should also be chastised for turning this into a Race issue. If anyone deserves to be called 'nappy headed hos' it's those two. They'll jump on anything to get their face in the media. Same as all our shithead white politicians. They are hos, they see an openning and jump on it....to get their face on camera. They start a race war when there wasn't one.

Stop this idiotic black/white drivel. It's 'I'm gonna get my face on camera by jumping on the bandwagon'.

By the way Legend, I was confused for moment, your previous frog avatar had me thinking you were LG, thus I retracted my fag comment. Now I realize your the fucking idiot Legend and I retract my retraction....You faggot!

Send an email to Jackson and Sharpton maybe they'll come to your defense. Same as they stepped up when a 90 year old white woman was cold cocked by a verile black buck in her foyer in NYC a month ago. If you want to be a leader you have to be heard on all the issues not just the ones that advance your position.

Sorry JWBL to advance my opinions off your post.

[DJ_Asia]

last time I checked I have never heard of any other race referred to as "nappy headed" other then blacks.

The term "ho" was coined by black rappers

As much as members here seem to want to deny the racial implications...to me its quite obvious that race is indeed the issue at hand.

[Kabuki]

No one is doubting that the history of the black person in AmeriKKKa has been rough...I totally agree as do about 95% of white folks in the US that slavery was a fucked up situation.Nothing anyone alive can reverse what happened.

Further personally I do not see color,as I have more latino,black and asian friends than I do white.Thats not a message or a choice,its just the way the cards have landed.For me each person is judged on their actions and person not based upon the pigment of their skin,nor their orgin of heritage.

However...I personally do not know of a single American,white,red,brown,black,yellow that has ever owned a slave(outside of a consensual alternative lifestyle...different thread).what was done centuries ago cannot be changed.What can be changed is what happens in the present tense.

I cannot begin to count how many times I have heard a white person say"I never owned a slave...why do blacks hate me" And while that maybe a broad generalizing statement it personaifies why racial tension continues to this day.

As long as black america continues to use slavery as a reason for their anti white behaviour,then the anti black comments and attitudes will continure...and vice/versa.

And while "the double standard" rationale might grate on some peoples nerves,it doesnt discredit the fact that a double standard exists.

When a black leader speaks out on behalf of black maerica its ok...if a white leader where to speak out specifically on WHITE folks...its racist.

When Cube calls white girls "caucazoid cave bitches" its a platinum record which leads to more $ in his wallet.when Imus says "nappy headed ho's" he gets fired and makes the headlines as a racist.

Neither side is right...both are fucked up attitudes,but for once I'd like to see an affirmation that there is indeed TWO sides to this story.As in all things in the universe...For every action there is a reaction,and one cannot stop one without stopping the other.

"Why do blacks hate me"

I didn't know all black people hated white people. And for the ones that do hate white people, you do realize how black people are treated? I can understand their feelings, although I may not agree with them. There is a racial divide in the states, and you just can't say...work it out black man. The world just doesn't work like that. We need a dramatic social change to take place. There are black people trying to make a change, but it's a battle that you just can't comprehend it seems. The black community as a whole is not complaining about slavery either. Our community has modern issues to deal with. I respect you as a person, but you don't understand what is truly going on. We need discussions about this in the media, but the media prefers to push stereotypes instead.

"if a white leader where to speak out specifically on WHITE folks...its racist."

What kind of speaking out are you talking about? Maybe I'm reading into this wrong. It just makes you sound like you support one of these ignorant white males talking about white power.

By the way, you keep citing that Ice Cube album. The track you discuss is on Lethal Injection. The track was never a single. There was never a video for it. It's a track that he would like to probably forget. The funny thing about that album...more white people probably bought that album. It went platinum, but was never consider a hot album in the hip-hop community. At least not on the east coast. The success of the album was due to two tracks. The singles "Real Doe" and "You Know How We Do It". Of course the "Bop Gun" single with George Clinton never even broke the top 20 in the UK or the US.

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

last time I checked I have never heard of any other race referred to as "nappy headed" other then blacks.

The term "ho" was coined by black rappers

As much as members here seem to want to deny the racial implications...to me its quite obvious that race is indeed the issue at hand.

the term 'ho' was NOT coined by Black rappers, the term ho was coined by American pimps who lazily broke it down from the word whore. If you'd like to get a better definition of that word ask Felicia to Wiki it..................

And for the record there are Australian, and European people that have nappy hair, lol, it's not just an African or African-American thing........

[DJ_Asia]

last time I checked I have never heard of any other race referred to as "nappy headed" other then blacks.

The term "ho" was coined by black rappers

As much as members here seem to want to deny the racial implications...to me its quite obvious that race is indeed the issue at hand.

the term 'ho' was NOT coined by Black rappers, the term ho was coined by American pimps who lazily broke it down from the word whore. If you'd like to get a better definition of that word ask Felicia to Wiki it..................

And for the record there are Australian, and European people that have nappy hair, lol, it's not just an African or African-American thing........

Lol...and im sure that the rutgers roster is simply loaded with Aussies and euros w/ bad "do's" :roll:

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

LMAO, hey HA is loaded with a bunch of different folks, you'd be amazed...................

back to the OP [by me] this is sexist, and more women groups should be fighting IMUS.............

[DJ_Asia]

"if a white leader where to speak out specifically on WHITE folks...its racist."

What kind of speaking out are you talking about? Maybe I'm reading into this wrong. It just makes you sound like you support one of these ignorant white males talking about white power.

.

Kabuki,

Thank you for inadvertantly confirming my point...
If a white man speaks out its labled as "white power"...how come when a black leader speaks out it isnt labled "black power"??!?!

[Legend]

and I think we can all agree that IMUS fucked up...........
He called a group of basketball players that were WOMEN, and were not all African-American by the way, a bunch of nappy headed hoes. There are many nationalities of WOMEN on Rutgers female's basketball team. This really isn't a Black/White issue as it is more of a sexist issue, but that's my opinion.
[/b]

This paragraph sums it up in a nutshell. It is a sexist comment. Imus fucked up. These young girls did not deserve this characterization. They're 18 to 22. Imagine your daughter characterized as a ho at the proudest moment of your daughter's achievement. THAT IS WHAT HE (IMUS) SHOULD BE CHASTISED FOR!

Fucking Jackson and Sharpton should also be chastised for turning this into a Race issue. If anyone deserves to be called 'nappy headed hos' it's those two. They'll jump on anything to get their face in the media. Same as all our shithead white politicians. They are hos, they see an openning and jump on it....to get their face on camera. They start a race war when there wasn't one.

Stop this idiotic black/white drivel. It's 'I'm gonna get my face on camera by jumping on the bandwagon'.

By the way Legend, I was confused for moment, your previous frog avatar had me thinking you were LG, thus I retracted my fag comment. Now I realize your the fucking idiot Legend and I retract my retraction....You faggot!

Send an email to Jackson and Sharpton maybe they'll come to your defense. Same as they stepped up when a 90 year old white woman was cold cocked by a verile black buck in her foyer in NYC a month ago. If you want to be a leader you have to be heard on all the issues not just the ones that advance your position.

Sorry JWBL to advance my opinions off your post.

I'm the idiot yet you got two different avatars and screennames confused ok whatever idiot,and tell me this simpleton how is this issue advancing their political position please do tell,i'm sure your buddy anus tried so hard to keep his position by agreeing to appear on sharpton's show he could have said no but he involved sharpton by his own actions.

why do you guys have to either question sharpton or jackson position,question if the "nappy headed hos" comment is offensive and try to compare other issues that are illrelevant to this matter it just goes to show you that behide it all everyone is a little racist.

[Legend]

Dammit ezed your a bigger idiot then i thought,so basically your backpeddling out of an apology like a coward and you make up some lame excuse like got our avatars confused yet you addressed me by name dude before you throw that idiot insult at someone make sure it doesn't apply to you.


Sorry, Legend you keep changing your avatar. You are not a fag! but the rest of my post stands. I still like you.

[Realgirls4me]

This paragraph sums it up in a nutshell. It is a sexist comment. Imus fucked up. These young girls did not deserve this characterization. They're 18 to 22. Imagine your daughter characterized as a ho at the proudest moment of your daughter's achievement. THAT IS WHAT HE (IMUS) SHOULD BE CHASTISED FOR!

Fucking Jackson and Sharpton should also be chastised for turning this into a Race issue. If anyone deserves to be called 'nappy headed hos' it's those two. They'll jump on anything to get their face in the media. Same as all our shithead white politicians. They are hos, they see an openning and jump on it....to get their face on camera. They start a race war when there wasn't one.

Stop this idiotic black/white drivel. It's 'I'm gonna get my face on camera by jumping on the bandwagon'.

By the way Legend, I was confused for moment, your previous frog avatar had me thinking you were LG, thus I retracted my fag comment. Now I realize your the fucking idiot Legend and I retract my retraction....You faggot!

Send an email to Jackson and Sharpton maybe they'll come to your defense. Same as they stepped up when a 90 year old white woman was cold cocked by a verile black buck in her foyer in NYC a month ago. If you want to be a leader you have to be heard on all the issues not just the ones that advance your position.

Sorry JWBL to advance my opinions off your post.

ezed,

It's a racist comment AND a sexist comment, so don't just confine it to only the latter. And please don't compare what happened here with Imus and the case of some punk that attacked a 90 year old: Apples and oranges in other words.
Both Jackson and Sharpton would be fools not to condemn the cowardly act involving that 90 year old, and unless you can provide proof, I have heard nothing or read nothing of either Jackson or Sharpton condoning it. It is patently unfair to hold them responsible for the actions of some punk just because that punk was black, or for that matter comparing these two cases. Jackson, Sharpton, and other black and civil rights leaders, have taken it upon themselves to offer a voice to causes which oppress or set us back as a civilized society, but also for those who might not be heard if it weren't for the light that the name of a Jackson or Sharpton bring to it. Do you really believe that this story would be leading news programs right now around this country if Jackson or Sharpton had not been there making noise, and can you -- since no one here has of yet -- tell me of one notable white person who took the lead here in the case before Jackson and Sharpton got involved? That attack of that 90 year old, which was viewed and condemned by just about every newscast by virtue of it being shown to the horror of every TV around the country did not require a defense. It didn't require a Jackson-Sharpton narrative or support because we all found that punk's attack deplorable. That attack did not require a right or wrong debate because it did not carry racist undertones in its context, nor did it require interpretation or judgement. Imus's racial and sexists comments on the other hand might have been swept under the rug again as has been the case in the past had Jackson or Sharpton not intervene and brought it to the forefront. See the difference? One, the attack of the 90 year old, required no comment as anyone in their right mind would find that wrong; the other was an affront not too visible to most unless they are minorities and have been the history of being discriminated or oppressed. Again, appleas and oranges.
Your cynicism and transparent ignorance of what the Jacksons and Sharptons of the world is so obvious. So how would you have handled this if you were Jackson or Sharpton? Start a letter writing campaign? Please provide me with ONE powerful white name on the forefront of such issues? One.
Given the lumunaries they are they have to get in front of the camera in order to bring light to a controversial issue. Let me repeat that: THEY HAVE TO GET IN FRONT OF CAMERAS in order to bring light to an issue such as this one. Do you really believe that if one of the Rutgers players had called a press conference on her own without the notoriety of a Jackson or Sharpton in the background that anything would have resulted from it? I doubt it. You also act as if this is some walk in the park for Jackson and Sharpton. I've been watching coverage of this story all day and they are grilled for their baggage or perceived hypocrisy also, so don't tell me that they do this this for their own enjoyment or that it's without risk.




Kabuki,

Thank you for inadvertantly confirming my point...
If a white man speaks out its labled as "white power"...how come when a black leader speaks out it isnt labled "black power"??!?!

Because the whites have been historically linked to power or privilege in this country. I can't help you if you can't see how that works.



Kramer,
After reading your drivel, I have come to a conclusion: You're a friggin' paranoid bigot. Tonight on Keith Olberman, Jackson brought up that there are no blacks or Latinos between the 3:00 to midnight time slot. Care to comment on that from your closed homogenized detached world? God forbid they should allow one minority to crack that timeslot, huh? What's the world coming to, huh? So equality is something one should fear? Yes, I agree that losing his job over this is a bit drastic, but you and I have totally different reasons for our stance.

... Were you a former plantation owner in a previous life by chance?


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[Kabuki]

"if a white leader where to speak out specifically on WHITE folks...its racist."

What kind of speaking out are you talking about? Maybe I'm reading into this wrong. It just makes you sound like you support one of these ignorant white males talking about white power.

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Kabuki,

Thank you for inadvertantly confirming my point...
If a white man speaks out its labled as "white power"...how come when a black leader speaks out it isnt labled "black power"??!?!

How did I confirm your point?...Speak out as much as you like, but when a white male gets in front of a crowd spitting out racist remarks...of course that's wrong...explain your logic here. Maybe I missed something again. I never said that you were a racist. I just don't think you're clear with whatever point you wanted to make.

[Ratbutt]

Too bad his comments about kikes, crackers and homos were not as widely reported, opinions might be different.

[tubgirl]

Thank you,how this topic went from the discussion of a bigot like imus to questioning sharpton and jackson's character is beyond me people need to understand this is not a joking matter,if you haven't been through what others have been through you shouldn't joke about the matter.

so, how old were you when you were sold into slavery?

[tubgirl]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

http://media.snuffx.com/100407/media.php?media=snuffx-dot-com-black-hitler.wmv

[Smedley]

If said it before and I will say it again......all these people on radio and TV that act this way are WHITE.

Yeah, no black people use the terms "ho" or "nigger" or anything like that, right? It hasn't been heard in 500 million rap songs or anything. There aren't any racists of black or other ethnic backgrounds either, right? Only whites. Please. Imus is a moron who says tremendously stupid things in an effort to boost his sad ratings, but he's no different a scumbag than Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, with their "hymie town" and "white interloper" comments, the Tawana Brawley disgrace, and numerous other offenses they've made in an effort to profit from racism. Funny how that gets glossed over as they demand everybody else be fired. :roll:

[LG]

By the way Legend, I was confused for moment, your previous frog avatar had me thinking you were LG, thus I retracted my fag comment. Now I realize your the fucking idiot Legend and I retract my retraction....You faggot!


:D

[Smedley]

why do you guys have to either question sharpton or jackson position

"Hymie town"? "White interlopers"? Tawana Brawley? Laundering drug money? Accusing Sony of a racist conspiracy when Michael Jackson's album failed to sell because of his own questionable behavior? too many more to list? Let's pull our head out of the politically correct sand here. Imus sunk himself and is paying a heavy price, but Sharpton and Jackson, two guys who pull out the race card for their own profit whenever the chance presents itself, are the last two guys who should be calling for somebody's head when it comes to racist comments.

[hondarobot]

Heh. I think Imus should be forced to take the roll of The Tall Man in "Phantasm: The Animated Series". See how his career does then. Seriously, he's one freaky looking guy.

Alternately he should have his eyebrows removed, and then have them fight a dual to the death with Donald Trumps hair. The brows of Imus would win.

[TJT]

Trump and Imus are old buddies. I wonder if they have the same stylist?

[DJ_Asia]

"if a white leader where to speak out specifically on WHITE folks...its racist."

What kind of speaking out are you talking about? Maybe I'm reading into this wrong. It just makes you sound like you support one of these ignorant white males talking about white power.

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Kabuki,

Thank you for inadvertantly confirming my point...
If a white man speaks out its labled as "white power"...how come when a black leader speaks out it isnt labled "black power"??!?!

How did I confirm your point?...Speak out as much as you like, but when a white male gets in front of a crowd spitting out racist remarks...of course that's wrong...explain your logic here. Maybe I missed something again. I never said that you were a racist. I just don't think you're clear with whatever point you wanted to make.

:banghead Clearly this topic isnt going anywhere...obviously you fail to understand my logic and vice/versa.Or perhaps you choose not to see my point, many others in this thread have understood my point,and commented as much.

.Im no racist,but I do see issues,and im not afraid to ask questions,not in a confrontational manner,but in a way that im hoping my eyes can be opened to something Im currently not catching.


My point IS.... *sigh*..... anytime a race oriented issue arises,Sharpton,Jackson,Farrakhan come out and speak their mind on behalf of black america...sorry mate...but thats racist.They are clearly speaking on behalf of a black issue or person Once that occurs and the race element is introduced by these people,then its a racist issue.Yet these people are valued members of the black community.
If white america had the same 2 or 3 guys who came on TV everytime a white person was humiliated or degraded or robbed or murdered or prejudiced against or called "Cracker" then im sure they would be labled a racist group with racist intent....and black leaders would be outraged. How is this not a double standard?How is this ok...and most importantly how does black america not recognize that it does way more harm then good to black/white relations?!

Black america has its leaders,its organizations (NAACP,UNCF)its own mainstream publications(Ebony,Black Men) and so forth.
Yet I venture to guess if a succesful magazine called "White Man" were to launch,where every single ad had only nordic models,advertising skin care for "that glow as white as the morning snow",where every article was entirely dedicated to the white man and devoid of even a single person of color... or perhaps United Cauacasian College Fund,where the only prerequisite to be eligible was the fact that you were white... or National Association for the Advancement of White People...If any of these ANY OF THEM were to become a reality then the racial implications would fly,the shit would hit the fan,America would go fuckin nuts ...use whatever terminology you choose,but it wouldnt be pretty...Yet amazingly all the black groups and publications I mentioned arent a hypothetical what-if,they are reality.

....so again my point is:

How is that NOT a double standard??!? And why is it ok to be like that?As long as black america continues to prove through actions,words,deeds,organizations,publications and lingo that they are different and entitled to these things because of the color of their skin then one cannot but expect the Imus' and Michael Richards of the world to lash out in retaliation and the struggles of race relations to continue on the current road its on.

[Quinn]

Trump and Imus are old buddies. I wonder if they have the same stylist?

LMAO....

-Quinn

[chefmike]

Where does it end?

I am so fed up with this PC bullshit...today a PA DJ was also fired, because of a complaints made when he did a bit about the Imus remarks. And he, like Imus, was also a well-known fundraiser for charities.

Are we going to banish everyone that we deem offensive from the airwaves?

If you believe that we need an FCC, then leave it to them to fine these so-called "offenders"...

I despise rush, hannity, and the rest of that neocon chickenhawk flock, but do I demand that they be taken off the air?

No, I don't.

What next?

Let's say some tourist and I get into a fender bender...

And let's say that he just happens to be a pumped-up, tanktop wearing, gold-chain sporting, heavily moussed young jackass who imagines himself to be a "goodfella"...

And let's say that I step out of my car and say "what the fuck are you doing, guido?"

Should I be prosecuted for a verbal "hate-crime"?

I was taught that your rights ended where your fellow citizen's nose began...and Imus didn't punch anyone in the nose.

This is about freedom of speech.

I don't think that I will be casting my usual vote for the dems in 2008...and I'm damn sure not voting repug...I will be voting libertarian...enough is enough.

[Realgirls4me]

why do you guys have to either question sharpton or jackson position

"Hymie town"? "White interlopers"? Tawana Brawley? Laundering drug money? Accusing Sony of a racist conspiracy when Michael Jackson's album failed to sell because of his own questionable behavior? too many more to list? Let's pull our head out of the politically correct sand here. Imus sunk himself and is paying a heavy price, but Sharpton and Jackson, two guys who pull out the race card for their own profit whenever the chance presents itself, are the last two guys who should be calling for somebody's head when it comes to racist comments.

Who should be calling someone out for racist comments? Please enlighten us, since no other Jackson/Sharpton basher apparently in here has stepped up and provided a name of ONE white civil rights leader on the forefront of this incident. Or, care to tell us how anyone taking Imus on should do it without the vehicle of the media?
This comment by Imus would be a non-issue if it weren't for guys like Jackson and Sharpton putting the heat on, as Imus's comments would have either been ignored or swept under the carpet as has been the case in the past. The problem with all you Jackson or Sharpton bashers, is that you are unable to see these things through the position of a minority.Your warped premise -- that minority leaders such as Jackson and Sharpton are on equal footing with those in power they take on -- is the problem. In your eyes we live in a perfect world, and nuisances such as Jackson and Sharpton should not be seen or heard. By the way, care to show me where progress has been made on any front throughout history without some leader(s) taking the bull by the horns and working for progress? I suppose you would have been against those "niggers" who marched in Selma Alabama at one time too, right? How dare they take a stand against the Jim Crow status quo, right?!

[Realgirls4me]

Miike,

No they shouldn't be taken off the air, but they should be made to pay for controversial, particularly stupid sexist and racist remarks. It is the most cowardly thing to make a living via picking on the members on the lowest rungs of society (the poor,minorities,etc.), and clowns such as Imus have been getting away with it for too long.

[DJ_Asia]

why do you guys have to either question sharpton or jackson position

"Hymie town"? "White interlopers"? Tawana Brawley? Laundering drug money? Accusing Sony of a racist conspiracy when Michael Jackson's album failed to sell because of his own questionable behavior? too many more to list? Let's pull our head out of the politically correct sand here. Imus sunk himself and is paying a heavy price, but Sharpton and Jackson, two guys who pull out the race card for their own profit whenever the chance presents itself, are the last two guys who should be calling for somebody's head when it comes to racist comments.

Who should be calling someone out for racist comments? Please enlighten us, since no other Jackson/Sharpton basher apparently in here has stepped up and provided a name of ONE white civil rights leader on the forefront of this incident. Or, care to tell us how anyone taking Imus on should do it without the vehicle of the media?
This comment by Imus would be a non-issue if it weren't for guys like Jackson and Sharpton putting the heat on, as Imus's comments would have either been ignored or swept under the carpet as has been the case in the past. The problem with all you Jackson or Sharpton bashers, is that you are unable to see these things through the position of a minority.Your warped premise -- that minority leaders such as Jackson and Sharpton are on equal footing with those in power they take on -- is the problem. In your eyes we live in a perfect world, and nuisances such as Jackson and Sharpton should not be seen or heard. By the way, care to show me where progress has been made on any front throughout history without some leader(s) taking the bull by the horns and working for progress? I suppose you would have been against those "niggers" who marched in Selma Alabama at one time too, right? How dare they take a stand against the Jim Crow status quo, right?!

Where is sharpton and the good Reverand everytime Snoop Dogg or Cube calls a girl a "ho" or a "nigga"? funny how its a non issue then...double standard.

[chefmike]

why do you guys have to either question sharpton or jackson position

"Hymie town"? "White interlopers"? Tawana Brawley? Laundering drug money? Accusing Sony of a racist conspiracy when Michael Jackson's album failed to sell because of his own questionable behavior? too many more to list? Let's pull our head out of the politically correct sand here. Imus sunk himself and is paying a heavy price, but Sharpton and Jackson, two guys who pull out the race card for their own profit whenever the chance presents itself, are the last two guys who should be calling for somebody's head when it comes to racist comments.

Who should be calling someone out for racist comments? Please enlighten us, since no other Jackson/Sharpton basher apparently in here has stepped up and provided a name of ONE white civil rights leader on the forefront of this incident. Or, care to tell us how anyone taking Imus on should do it without the vehicle of the media?
This comment by Imus would be a non-issue if it weren't for guys like Jackson and Sharpton putting the heat on, as Imus's comments would have either been ignored or swept under the carpet as has been the case in the past. The problem with all you Jackson or Sharpton bashers, is that you are unable to see these things through the position of a minority.Your warped premise -- that minority leaders such as Jackson and Sharpton are on equal footing with those in power they take on -- is the problem. In your eyes we live in a perfect world, and nuisances such as Jackson and Sharpton should not be seen or heard. By the way, care to show me where progress has been made on any front throughout history without some leader(s) taking the bull by the horns and working for progress? I suppose you would have been against those "niggers" who marched in Selma Alabama at one time too, right? How dare they take a stand against the Jim Crow status quo, right?!

With all due respect, RG4M...I beg to differ...

Since when was censorship progress?

And BTW, Imus has done more for the disadvantaged than al and jesse have ever dreamed of.

[Realgirls4me]

DJAsia:

Both Sharpton AND Jackson have denouced such language and lyrics, and continue to. Did you happen to watch Sharpton at James Brown's funeral and how he slammed rappers for that very subject? He's been very consistent.

Oh, wait. You, and other Sharpton/Jackson bashers only see red flags and "double-standards" when they take on the man, or when it's convenient. You only are privvy to one side of them in other words.

Mike,

You call what Imus, O'Reilly, Boortz, Hannity, Limbaugh, Coulter, do for a living" progress"? How far is too far in your eyes?

[DJ_Asia]

Both Sharpton AND Jackson have denouced such language and lyrics, and continue to. Did you happen to watch Sharpton at James Brown's funeral and how he slammed rappers for that very subject? He's been very consistent.

Oh, wait. You, and other Sharpton/Jackson bashers only see red flags and "double-standards" when they take on the man, or when it's convenient. You only are privvy to one side of them in other words.

LMAO..I was wondering when someone was going to pull out the term "The Man"

I mustve missed it when Al and Jesse camped outside of Snoops record label and demand his firing...I was prolly hanging out w/ The Man that day

[freak]

It never ends, the black community will always play the race card, it is the only thing in the black community that works ( just joking, don't get me fired). I want to know where the black leaders were for the Duke lacrosse team that was falsely accused by them and there lives forever changed. They were there loud and proud for the lying black call girl, the one even her friend that was with her said she was lying. I hate to say this but the Rev Al and his posse are the worst thing for the black community, with people like them blacks will always be treated different. Why would anyone want to put there self or company in jeopardy with the risk of someone playing a race card on them falsely? And it does happen way too much just look at the last few years. Also no one here was a slave, no one here was a slave owner so let it go.

If a black man made the same comment Imus did he would have gotten laughs, and I hate Imus

[Realgirls4me]

Both Sharpton AND Jackson have denouced such language and lyrics, and continue to. Did you happen to watch Sharpton at James Brown's funeral and how he slammed rappers for that very subject? He's been very consistent.

Oh, wait. You, and other Sharpton/Jackson bashers only see red flags and "double-standards" when they take on the man, or when it's convenient. You only are privvy to one side of them in other words.

LMAO..I was wondering when someone was going to pull out the term "The Man"

You didn't answer my questions or tackle the points I raised.

[Realgirls4me]

It never ends, the black community will always play the race card, it is the only thing in the black community that works ( just joking, don't get me fired). I want to know where the black leaders were for the Duke lacrosse team that was falsely accused by them and there lives forever changed. They were there loud and proud for the lying black call girl, the one even her friend that was with her said she was lying. I hate to say this but the Rev Al and his posse are the worst thing for the black community, with people like them blacks will always be treated different. Why would anyone want to put there self or company in jeopardy with the risk of someone playing a race card on them falsely? And it does happen way too much just look at the last few years. Also no one here was a slave, no one here was a slave owner so let it go.

If a black man made the same comment Imus did he would have gotten laughs, and I hate Imus

Funny, but I don't recall either Jackson or Sharpton backing this woman up? Care to provide links?

[Realgirls4me]

*** Breakfast Break ***

[DJ_Asia]

Both Sharpton AND Jackson have denouced such language and lyrics, and continue to. Did you happen to watch Sharpton at James Brown's funeral and how he slammed rappers for that very subject? He's been very consistent.

Oh, wait. You, and other Sharpton/Jackson bashers only see red flags and "double-standards" when they take on the man, or when it's convenient. You only are privvy to one side of them in other words.

LMAO..I was wondering when someone was going to pull out the term "The Man"

You didn't answer my questions or tackle the points I raised.

Thats okay mate,Ive raised a billion points in this thread and nary but a 2 have been addressed.

[Quinn]

It never ends, the black community will always play the race card, it is the only thing in the black community that works ( just joking, don't get me fired). I want to know where the black leaders were for the Duke lacrosse team that was falsely accused by them and there lives forever changed. They were there loud and proud for the lying black call girl, the one even her friend that was with her said she was lying. I hate to say this but the Rev Al and his posse are the worst thing for the black community, with people like them blacks will always be treated different. Why would anyone want to put there self or company in jeopardy with the risk of someone playing a race card on them falsely? And it does happen way too much just look at the last few years. Also no one here was a slave, no one here was a slave owner so let it go.

If a black man made the same comment Imus did he would have gotten laughs, and I hate Imus

Funny, but I don't recall either Jackson or Sharpton backing this woman up? Care to provide links?

Jesse, for example, rushed up to offer to pay the college tuition of the accuser in the Duke "rape" case. When it was pointed out to him that it had yet to be determined if the accuser had in fact been assaulted (and we're starting to get a pretty good idea of the reality of that) Jesse was asked if he would still pay the tuition if it turned out the woman was making false accusations. Jesse said that he would. Essentially he was offering to reward a woman for lying, for ruining young men's lives. Is that the message we want to send our young sisters; lie for your supper?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-ridley/its-a-hate-crime-so-whe_b_39917.html

Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton showed up immediately, with Jackson declaring to reporters that "Precious" was the victim of a racially motivated hate crime, and his Rainbow Coalition was going to pay the remainder of her college tuition.

http://www.buzzle.com/articles/cbs-investigation-duke-lacrosse-rape-case-raises-questions.html

[chefmike]

It never ends, the black community will always play the race card, it is the only thing in the black community that works ( just joking, don't get me fired). I want to know where the black leaders were for the Duke lacrosse team that was falsely accused by them and there lives forever changed. They were there loud and proud for the lying black call girl, the one even her friend that was with her said she was lying. I hate to say this but the Rev Al and his posse are the worst thing for the black community, with people like them blacks will always be treated different. Why would anyone want to put there self or company in jeopardy with the risk of someone playing a race card on them falsely? And it does happen way too much just look at the last few years. Also no one here was a slave, no one here was a slave owner so let it go.

If a black man made the same comment Imus did he would have gotten laughs, and I hate Imus

Funny, but I don't recall either Jackson or Sharpton backing this woman up? Care to provide links?

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1091599/

[freak]

Funny, but I don't recall either Jackson or Sharpton backing this woman up? Care to provide links?

WOW you have the memory of a goldfish, do you know why a goldfish can survive in that little fish bowl? Because once he swims around it once he forgets he was ever there. Just search it, please.

[Quinn]

Funny, but I don't recall either Jackson or Sharpton backing this woman up? Care to provide links?

WOW you have the memory of a goldfish, do you know why a goldfish can survive in that little fish bowl? Because once he swims around it once he forgets he was ever there. Just search it, please.

Was that necessary? Realgirls4me may just not have been familiar with the event in question, in which case you simply post the requested link. If you want to insult someone whose behavior merits it, there's always Legend.

-Quinn

[Legend]

Pennsylvania DJ fired for repeating Imus’ comments as part of contest
LATIMES.COM

ALLENTOWN, Pa. (AP) - A radio station fired its longtime morning DJ Wednesday after he encouraged listeners to repeat talk-show host Don Imus' racially charged comments in an on-air contest.

Gary Smith told WSBG-FM listeners to call and say "I'm a nappy-headed ho" for Tuesday's "Phrase that Pays" contest, said Rick Musselman, executive vice president of station owner Nassau Broadcasting Partners L.P.

Musselman said three of the listeners who called were awarded tickets to a NASCAR promotion at a local club.

Station management reviewed a tape of the broadcast of the "Gary in the Morning" show and fired Smith, Musselman said.

Musselman said that Smith was fired and not suspended because he uttered the slur in a premeditated manner, "with full knowledge of the reaction to Don Imus' use of the exact same phrase."

The nationally syndicated Imus was suspended for two weeks by CBS Radio and MSNBC after he called members of the mostly black Rutgers University women's basketball team "nappy-headed hos." Civil rights groups have demanded his firing.

Smith has an unlisted number and could not be reached for comment Wednesday.

WSBG 93.5, a 3,000-watt rock station, is based in Stroudsburg, about 40 miles northeast of Allentown. The Princeton, N.J.-based Nassau is privately held with more than 50 radio stations in the Northeast.

[Realgirls4me]

Thanks, Mike and Quinn for the links. I'll get back to you guys later with my response to them, but right now I just got an appointment lined up with a doctor at the last minute, so I better get there while I can. If you are familiar with our HMO world of medicine here in the states, I'm sure you understand.

As far as Freak goes, I can handle him with half a keyboard. Small potatos, in other words.


:)

[smart]

Its not just Sharpton who believes he should be fired they are a lot of people who believe that. Black and white its about 50/50 according to polls. Imus said these comments on the public airways that belong to everyone.

Not only did he say a racist comment but because he does charity he thinks that excuses him.

Not only did he insult black people and woman but anyone who thinks that it is wrong to do this. You cannot compare him to anyone that does something controversial on a cable show or private radio.

There are rules to public behavior and even though they are not written we all know Imus is wrong. Should he be fired?? That is up to his bosses if they succumb to pressure from outside groups that is up to them.

Do I think he should be fired? Yes and no I could care less but again I do not listen to him and he did not insult me directly. Do I think did he act stupidly? Yes would I want to support him and rally behind IMus hell no.

And if you are behind Imus you got to ask yourself why. If you are saying freedom of speech or expression or art. You are full of shit. Because those comments had nothing to do with that. They were ill conceived by someone that has racism in them. Racism is inbedded in are society, as well as sexism, as well as all the other isms. If you want equal justice for everyone which will never happen. You have to say this behavior is unacceptable this language is unacceptable. What ever the final verdict is on Imus it is tecahing all of America to be careful of what they say about others and how they say it. Poltically correct sometimes is simply showing respect and sensitivity towards others.

Unless you would go up to a mentally challenged individual and call them a retard to their face. Or call a person of another race a derogatory comment just because of their origin. or insult a person because of sexual orientation. Or make fun another bacause of their religious beliefs.
This is not what America is about or freedom of speech is about but yet the right to do these things is protected and Imus did not commit anything criminal under are laws. He has expressed regret and tried to apologize for what he has done. He is trying to take the high road. He could have simply said fuck you freedom of speech bad joke ok forget it but he didn't.
so a 2 week suspension may be justified and enough in the eyes of some but may never be enough for others. the debate will go on which is a good thing. As for how Imus is treated in the press Imus has made a career of bad taste and bullying which appealed to a group of listeners.
If you are a fan of his what does that say of you?

[smart]

Its not just Sharpton who believes he should be fired they are a lot of people who believe that. Black and white its about 50/50 according to polls. Imus said these comments on the public airways that belong to everyone.

Not only did he say a racist comment but because he does charity he thinks that excuses him.

Not only did he insult black people and woman but anyone who thinks that it is wrong to do this. You cannot compare him to anyone that does something controversial on a cable show or private radio.

There are rules to public behavior and even though they are not written we all know Imus is wrong. Should he be fired?? That is up to his bosses if they succumb to pressure from outside groups that is up to them.

Do I think he should be fired? Yes and no I could care less but again I do not listen to him and he did not insult me directly. Do I think did he act stupidly? Yes would I want to support him and rally behind IMus hell no.

And if you are behind Imus you got to ask yourself why. If you are saying freedom of speech or expression or art. You are full of shit. Because those comments had nothing to do with that. They were ill conceived by someone that has racism in them. Racism is inbedded in are society, as well as sexism, as well as all the other isms. If you want equal justice for everyone which will never happen. You have to say this behavior is unacceptable this language is unacceptable. What ever the final verdict is on Imus it is tecahing all of America to be careful of what they say about others and how they say it. Poltically correct sometimes is simply showing respect and sensitivity towards others.

Unless you would go up to a mentally challenged individual and call them a retard to their face. Or call a person of another race a derogatory comment just because of their origin. or insult a person because of sexual orientation. Or make fun another bacause of their religious beliefs.
This is not what America is about or freedom of speech is about but yet the right to do these things is protected and Imus did not commit anything criminal under are laws. He has expressed regret and tried to apologize for what he has done. He is trying to take the high road. He could have simply said fuck you freedom of speech bad joke ok forget it but he didn't.
so a 2 week suspension may be justified and enough in the eyes of some but may never be enough for others. the debate will go on which is a good thing. As for how Imus is treated in the press Imus has made a career of bad taste and bullying which appealed to a group of listeners.
If you are a fan of his what does that say of you?

[freak]

Imus would not have been fired if he was black, that is just as bad as his statement. Also he wouldn't have been fired if he had better ratings, it is about the money. It was a way to get out of a contract.
No he should not have been fired, he should have been warned at the least but fined at the most. What he said was meant to be funny but also to bring attention to the way collages are letting there programs go, one is clean cut and preparing the players for moving on to the business world, the other is just using them to make the school money. No collage should allow players representing them appear to be thugs.

OK now sorry I called Realgirls4me a goldfish, it was a bit harsh. Here is an interview the Rev had on O'Reilly Factor (which who I do not care for)
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,192277,00.html
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3827/is_200003/ai_n8887602
Anyone remember this one from the Rev., Tawana_Brawley, he got people killed in the RIOTS he started http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tawana_Brawley

[hondarobot]

Trump and Imus are old buddies. I wonder if they have the same stylist?

Maybe Don King is the stylist? Imus could be projecting his frustration with his unconventional eyebrow grooming on black people in general. This would explain his remarks, but certainly not excuse them.

:wink:

[blckhaze]

got this in an email

Why 'nappy' is offensive
By Zine Magubane | April 12, 2007

WHEN DON IMUS called the Rutgers University basketball team a bunch of "nappy-headed ho ' s" he brought to the fore the degree to which black women's hair has served as a visible marker of our political and social marginalization.

Nappy, a historically derogatory term used to describe hair that is short and tightly coiled, is a preeminent example of how social and cultural ideas are transmitted through bodies. Since African women first arrived on American shores, the bends and twists of our hair have became markers of our subhuman status and convenient rationales for denying us our rightful claims to citizenship.

Establishing the upper and lower limits of humanity was of particular interest to Enlightenment era thinkers, who struggled to balance the ideals of the French Revolution and the Declaration of Independence with the fact of slavery. The 1789 Declaration of the Rights of Man and Citizen did not discriminate on the basis of race or sex and had the potential to be applied universally. It was precisely because an appeal to natural rights could only be countered by proof of natural inequality that hair texture, one of the most obvious indicators of physical differences between the races, was seized upon. Nappy hair was demonstrable proof of the fact that neither human physiology nor human nature was uniform and, therefore, that social inequalities could be justified.

Saartjie Baartman, a South African "bushwoman," was exhibited like a circus freak in the Shows of London between 1810 and 1815. The leading French anatomist of the day, George Cuvier, speculated that Baartman might be the "missing link" between the human and animal worlds because of her "peculiar features" including her "enormous buttocks" and "short, curling hair."

In "Notes on the State of Virginia," Thomas Jefferson reflected on why it would be impossible to incorporate blacks into the body politic after emancipation. He concluded it was because of the differences "both physical and moral," chief among them the absence of long, flowing hair.

For a runaway slave, the kink in her hair could mean the difference between freedom in the North and enslavement or worse if she were to be caught and returned to her master. Miscegenation meant that some slaves had skin as light as whites and the rule of thumb was that hair was a more reliable indicator than skin of a person's racial heritage. Thus, runaway slaves often shaved their heads in order to get rid of any evidence of their ancestry and posters advertising for fugitive slaves often warned slave catchers to be on the lookout for runaways with shaved heads : "They might pass for white."

In the late 1960s, after the FBI declared Angela Davis one of the country's 10 most wanted criminals, thousands of other law-abiding, Afro-wearing African-American women became targets of state repression -- accosted, harassed, and arrested by police, the FBI, and immigration agents. The "wanted" posters that featured Davis, her huge Afro framing her face like a halo, appeared in post offices and government buildings all over America, not to mention on television and in Life magazine. Her "nappy hair" served not only to structure popular opinions about her as a dangerous criminal, but also made it possible to deny the rights of due process and habeas corpus to any young black woman, simply on the basis of her hairstyle.

For African-American women, the personal has always been political. What grows out of our head can mean the difference between being a citizen and being a subject; being enslaved or free; alive or dead. As Don Imus found out this week, 300 years of a tangled and painful racial history cannot be washed away with a simple apology.

Zine Magubane is an associate professor of sociology and African diaspora studies at Boston College

[Jericho]

In the late 1960s, after the FBI declared Angela Davis one of the country's 10 most wanted criminals, thousands of other law-abiding, Afro-wearing African-American women became targets of state repression -- accosted, harassed, and arrested by police, the FBI, and immigration agents. The "wanted" posters that featured Davis, her huge Afro framing her face like a halo, appeared in post offices and government buildings all over America, not to mention on television and in Life magazine. Her "nappy hair" served not only to structure popular opinions about her as a dangerous criminal, but also made it possible to deny the rights of due process and habeas corpus to any young black woman, simply on the basis of her hairstyle.

OT
There's a copy of that poster here:

http://www.yessy.com/art/antiques/other_antiques_collectibles.html?view=145467

[Legend]

got this in an email

Why 'nappy' is offensive
By Zine Magubane | April 12, 2007

WHEN DON IMUS called the Rutgers University basketball team a bunch of "nappy-headed ho ' s" he brought to the fore the degree to which black women's hair has served as a visible marker of our political and social marginalization.

Nappy, a historically derogatory term used to describe hair that is short and tightly coiled, is a preeminent example of how social and cultural ideas are transmitted through bodies. Since African women first arrived on American shores, the bends and twists of our hair have became markers of our subhuman status and convenient rationales for denying us our rightful claims to citizenship.

Establishing the upper and lower limits of humanity was of particular interest to Enlightenment era thinkers, who struggled to balance the ideals of the French Revolution and the Declaration of Independence with the fact of slavery. The 1789 Declaration of the Rights of Man and Citizen did not discriminate on the basis of race or sex and had the potential to be applied universally. It was precisely because an appeal to natural rights could only be countered by proof of natural inequality that hair texture, one of the most obvious indicators of physical differences between the races, was seized upon. Nappy hair was demonstrable proof of the fact that neither human physiology nor human nature was uniform and, therefore, that social inequalities could be justified.

Saartjie Baartman, a South African "bushwoman," was exhibited like a circus freak in the Shows of London between 1810 and 1815. The leading French anatomist of the day, George Cuvier, speculated that Baartman might be the "missing link" between the human and animal worlds because of her "peculiar features" including her "enormous buttocks" and "short, curling hair."

In "Notes on the State of Virginia," Thomas Jefferson reflected on why it would be impossible to incorporate blacks into the body politic after emancipation. He concluded it was because of the differences "both physical and moral," chief among them the absence of long, flowing hair.

For a runaway slave, the kink in her hair could mean the difference between freedom in the North and enslavement or worse if she were to be caught and returned to her master. Miscegenation meant that some slaves had skin as light as whites and the rule of thumb was that hair was a more reliable indicator than skin of a person's racial heritage. Thus, runaway slaves often shaved their heads in order to get rid of any evidence of their ancestry and posters advertising for fugitive slaves often warned slave catchers to be on the lookout for runaways with shaved heads : "They might pass for white."

In the late 1960s, after the FBI declared Angela Davis one of the country's 10 most wanted criminals, thousands of other law-abiding, Afro-wearing African-American women became targets of state repression -- accosted, harassed, and arrested by police, the FBI, and immigration agents. The "wanted" posters that featured Davis, her huge Afro framing her face like a halo, appeared in post offices and government buildings all over America, not to mention on television and in Life magazine. Her "nappy hair" served not only to structure popular opinions about her as a dangerous criminal, but also made it possible to deny the rights of due process and habeas corpus to any young black woman, simply on the basis of her hairstyle.

For African-American women, the personal has always been political. What grows out of our head can mean the difference between being a citizen and being a subject; being enslaved or free; alive or dead. As Don Imus found out this week, 300 years of a tangled and painful racial history cannot be washed away with a simple apology.

Zine Magubane is an associate professor of sociology and African diaspora studies at Boston College

Thanks for posting that!

[chefmike]

Imus would not have been fired if he was black, that is just as bad as his statement. Also he wouldn't have been fired if he had better ratings, it is about the money. It was a way to get out of a contract.
No he should not have been fired, he should have been warned at the least but fined at the most. What he said was meant to be funny but also to bring attention to the way collages are letting there programs go, one is clean cut and preparing the players for moving on to the business world, the other is just using them to make the school money. No collage should allow players representing them appear to be thugs.

OK now sorry I called Realgirls4me a goldfish, it was a bit harsh. Here is an interview the Rev had on O'Reilly Factor (which who I do not care for)
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,192277,00.html
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3827/is_200003/ai_n8887602
Anyone remember this one from the Rev., Tawana_Brawley, he got people killed in the RIOTS he started http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tawana_Brawley

You raise some very good points. As for myself, I'm glad that Imus started speaking his mind again this AM, on his last radio broadcast for CBS. This isn't verbatim...

I've dished it out for a long time, and now it's time for me to take it on the chin, so bring it."

He also called out hypocrites like jesse, al, and most importantly Harold Ford. Ford was noticebly silent, after all that Imus did for his chickenshit ass. I hear that Ford has also signed on with the FAUX news network, no surprise. Another political whore.

[chefmike]

The following editorial from The Washington Post:

Let the Idiocy Be Heard

By Michael Meyers
Wednesday, April 11, 2007; Page A15

Defending Don Imus's on-air racial idiocy is impossible -- but defending free speech, even in the form of sick humor, ought to be considered anew in the wake of a storm of protest from censorious activists who are demanding that Imus be fired.

There is an audience out there that is hungry for the ribald and the offensive. It is an audience that will not go away and cannot be boycotted. Does labeling those listeners and the shock jocks they adore and emulate as racial dunces or "un-American," and making the shock jocks unemployable (for daring to say what they think), advance the dialogue about racism or sexism? I don't think so.

Ours is supposed to be a nation that prides itself on free speech -- let a thousand tongues wag, we say, and the truth will be uncovered. But the censors and activists who are so readily offended by idiocy on radio have discovered still another truth: that the First Amendment does not apply to radio shock jocks. And so they want the advertisers and networks to ban the I-Man and toss him off the air. They don't want to hear from Imus, and they don't want anybody else to hear him, either. If the censors and pressure groups succeed, what will become of our culture of free speech, especially with such gabbers as Al Sharpton curiously demanding action from the FCC?

There ought to be no sympathy in any quarter for any shock jock's racial prejudice, but there has to be room for apologies that are offered in earnest. Moreover, there ought to be space on radio for dialogue and for racial impoliteness, too. When a radio shock jock makes a quip that offends, that's no surprise. There is no captive, fragile audience or hostile environment such as the workplace or schoolhouse to worry about -- just the robust radio world, full of gabbers, some of whom want to be taken seriously, some of whom try frantically to use words simply to entertain -- and who screw up -- and others who use satire and devil's-advocacy to push us to think. Besides, what's to distinguish Don Imus from the haters on black talk radio who regularly praise and play Louis Farrakhan tapes?

If we prize freedom, we should let the radio talkers talk. Let them be perfectly understood, and let the pressure groups answer when the talkers veer off reason with their inane hatreds. But we should not allow pressure groups to drive from radio people who say the darndest things and those whose views they don't like. I say that if you don't like what you're hearing, turn the dial. If you want to call in and talk back to the jockass, do so. But we can't talk back on the radio if the censorship crowd gets its way -- if the sound of morning drives is bland conformity with the peculiar and narrow tastes of those who don't want us to hear what they themselves don't like.

The writer is executive director of the New York Civil Rights Coalition and a former assistant national director of the NAACP.

[Legend]

Imus would not have been fired if he was black, that is just as bad as his statement. Also he wouldn't have been fired if he had better ratings, it is about the money. It was a way to get out of a contract.
No he should not have been fired, he should have been warned at the least but fined at the most. What he said was meant to be funny but also to bring attention to the way collages are letting there programs go, one is clean cut and preparing the players for moving on to the business world, the other is just using them to make the school money. No collage should allow players representing them appear to be thugs.


I could be wrong here and i apologize if i twisted your words some how,but your basically saying those young girl do appear to look like young thugs and because of that look the school hasn't prepared for the buisness world,if you know those girls persoanlly you wouldn't put such an closed minded opinion like imus did on them.

If you watch their conference they seem far from the thug image but respectable young ladies.One shouldn't based an opinion on looks if imus did that he might still have a job.

[Quinn]

An interesting article on the whole matter:

Imus isn’t the real bad guy
Instead of wasting time on irrelevant shock jock, black leaders need to be

fighting a growing gangster culture.
By JASON WHITLOCK - Columnist

Thank you, Don Imus. You’ve given us (black people) an excuse to avoid our real problem.

You’ve given Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson another opportunity to pretend that the old fight, which is now the safe and lucrative fight, is still the most important fight in our push for true economic and social equality.

You’ve given Vivian Stringer and Rutgers the chance to hold a nationally televised recruiting celebration expertly disguised as a news conference to respond to your poor attempt at humor.

Thank you, Don Imus. You extended Black History Month to April, and we can once again wallow in victimhood, protest like it’s 1965 and delude ourselves into believing that fixing your hatred is more necessary than eradicating our self-hatred.

The bigots win again.

While we’re fixated on a bad joke cracked by an irrelevant, bad shock jock, I’m sure at least one of the marvelous young women on the Rutgers basketball team is somewhere snapping her fingers to the beat of 50 Cent’s or Snoop Dogg’s or Young Jeezy’s latest ode glorifying nappy-headed pimps and hos.

I ain’t saying Jesse, Al and Vivian are gold-diggas, but they don’t have the heart to mount a legitimate campaign against the real black-folk killas.

It is us. At this time, we are our own worst enemies. We have allowed our youths to buy into a culture (hip hop) that has been perverted, corrupted and overtaken by prison culture. The music, attitude and behavior expressed in this culture is anti-black, anti-education, demeaning, self-destructive, pro-drug dealing and violent.

Rather than confront this heinous enemy from within, we sit back and wait for someone like Imus to have a slip of the tongue and make the mistake of repeating the things we say about ourselves.

It’s embarrassing. Dave Chappelle was offered $50 million to make racially insensitive jokes about black and white people on TV. He was hailed as a genius. Black comedians routinely crack jokes about white and black people, and we all laugh out loud.

I’m no Don Imus apologist. He and his tiny companion Mike Lupica blasted me after I fell out with ESPN. Imus is a hack.

But, in my view, he didn’t do anything outside the norm for shock jocks and comedians. He also offered an apology. That should’ve been the end of this whole affair. Instead, it’s only the beginning. It’s an opportunity for Stringer, Jackson and Sharpton to step on victim platforms and elevate themselves and their agenda$.

I watched the Rutgers news conference and was ashamed.

Martin Luther King Jr. spoke for eight minutes in 1963 at the March on Washington. At the time, black people could be lynched and denied fundamental rights with little thought. With the comments of a talk-show host most of her players had never heard of before last week serving as her excuse, Vivian Stringer rambled on for 30 minutes about the amazing season her team had.

Somehow, we’re supposed to believe that the comments of a man with virtually no connection to the sports world ruined Rutgers’ wonderful season. Had a broadcaster with credibility and a platform in the sports world uttered the words Imus did, I could understand a level of outrage.

But an hourlong press conference over a man who has already apologized, already been suspended and is already insignificant is just plain intellectually dishonest. This is opportunism. This is a distraction.

In the grand scheme, Don Imus is no threat to us in general and no threat to black women in particular. If his words are so powerful and so destructive and must be rebuked so forcefully, then what should we do about the idiot rappers on BET, MTV and every black-owned radio station in the country who use words much more powerful and much more destructive?

I don’t listen or watch Imus’ show regularly. Has he at any point glorified selling crack cocaine to black women? Has he celebrated black men shooting each other randomly? Has he suggested in any way that it’s cool to be a baby-daddy rather than a husband and a parent? Does he tell his listeners that they’re suckers for pursuing education and that they’re selling out their race if they do?

When Imus does any of that, call me and I’ll get upset. Until then, he is what he is — a washed-up shock jock who is very easy to ignore when you’re not looking to be made a victim.

No. We all know where the real battleground is. We know that the gangsta rappers and their followers in the athletic world have far bigger platforms to negatively define us than some old white man with a bad radio show. There’s no money and lots of danger in that battle, so Jesse and Al are going to sit it out.

[chefmike]

From another black columnist, Jason Whitlock:

Imus isn’t the real bad guy

Instead of wasting time on irrelevant shock jock, black leaders need to be fighting a growing gangster culture.
By JASON WHITLOCK - Columnist

Thank you, Don Imus. You’ve given us (black people) an excuse to avoid our real problem.

You’ve given Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson another opportunity to pretend that the old fight, which is now the safe and lucrative fight, is still the most important fight in our push for true economic and social equality.

You’ve given Vivian Stringer and Rutgers the chance to hold a nationally televised recruiting celebration expertly disguised as a news conference to respond to your poor attempt at humor.

Thank you, Don Imus. You extended Black History Month to April, and we can once again wallow in victimhood, protest like it’s 1965 and delude ourselves into believing that fixing your hatred is more necessary than eradicating our self-hatred.

The bigots win again.

While we’re fixated on a bad joke cracked by an irrelevant, bad shock jock, I’m sure at least one of the marvelous young women on the Rutgers basketball team is somewhere snapping her fingers to the beat of 50 Cent’s or Snoop Dogg’s or Young Jeezy’s latest ode glorifying nappy-headed pimps and hos.

I ain’t saying Jesse, Al and Vivian are gold-diggas, but they don’t have the heart to mount a legitimate campaign against the real black-folk killas.

It is us. At this time, we are our own worst enemies. We have allowed our youths to buy into a culture (hip hop) that has been perverted, corrupted and overtaken by prison culture. The music, attitude and behavior expressed in this culture is anti-black, anti-education, demeaning, self-destructive, pro-drug dealing and violent.

Rather than confront this heinous enemy from within, we sit back and wait for someone like Imus to have a slip of the tongue and make the mistake of repeating the things we say about ourselves.

It’s embarrassing. Dave Chappelle was offered $50 million to make racially insensitive jokes about black and white people on TV. He was hailed as a genius. Black comedians routinely crack jokes about white and black people, and we all laugh out loud.

I’m no Don Imus apologist. He and his tiny companion Mike Lupica blasted me after I fell out with ESPN. Imus is a hack.

But, in my view, he didn’t do anything outside the norm for shock jocks and comedians. He also offered an apology. That should’ve been the end of this whole affair. Instead, it’s only the beginning. It’s an opportunity for Stringer, Jackson and Sharpton to step on victim platforms and elevate themselves and their agenda$.

I watched the Rutgers news conference and was ashamed.

Martin Luther King Jr. spoke for eight minutes in 1963 at the March on Washington. At the time, black people could be lynched and denied fundamental rights with little thought. With the comments of a talk-show host most of her players had never heard of before last week serving as her excuse, Vivian Stringer rambled on for 30 minutes about the amazing season her team had.

Somehow, we’re supposed to believe that the comments of a man with virtually no connection to the sports world ruined Rutgers’ wonderful season. Had a broadcaster with credibility and a platform in the sports world uttered the words Imus did, I could understand a level of outrage.

But an hourlong press conference over a man who has already apologized, already been suspended and is already insignificant is just plain intellectually dishonest. This is opportunism. This is a distraction.

In the grand scheme, Don Imus is no threat to us in general and no threat to black women in particular. If his words are so powerful and so destructive and must be rebuked so forcefully, then what should we do about the idiot rappers on BET, MTV and every black-owned radio station in the country who use words much more powerful and much more destructive?

I don’t listen or watch Imus’ show regularly. Has he at any point glorified selling crack cocaine to black women? Has he celebrated black men shooting each other randomly? Has he suggested in any way that it’s cool to be a baby-daddy rather than a husband and a parent? Does he tell his listeners that they’re suckers for pursuing education and that they’re selling out their race if they do?

When Imus does any of that, call me and I’ll get upset. Until then, he is what he is — a washed-up shock jock who is very easy to ignore when you’re not looking to be made a victim.

No. We all know where the real battleground is. We know that the gangsta rappers and their followers in the athletic world have far bigger platforms to negatively define us than some old white man with a bad radio show. There’s no money and lots of danger in that battle, so Jesse and Al are going to sit it out.

[chefmike]

LMAO...you beat me to it, Quinn...

[chefmike]

Imus would not have been fired if he was black, that is just as bad as his statement. Also he wouldn't have been fired if he had better ratings, it is about the money. It was a way to get out of a contract.
No he should not have been fired, he should have been warned at the least but fined at the most. What he said was meant to be funny but also to bring attention to the way collages are letting there programs go, one is clean cut and preparing the players for moving on to the business world, the other is just using them to make the school money. No collage should allow players representing them appear to be thugs.


I could be wrong here and i apologize if i twisted your words some how,but your basically saying those young girl do appear to look like young thugs and because of that look the school hasn't prepared for the buisness world,if you know those girls persoanlly you wouldn't put such an closed minded opinion like imus did on them.

If you watch their conference they seem far from the thug image but respectable young ladies.One shouldn't based an opinion on looks if imus did that he might still have a job.

For their own sakes, I certainly hope that they are getting a better education than you did, 'tardboy. :P

[tubgirl]

if not, they should demand a refund...

[freak]

Imus would not have been fired if he was black, that is just as bad as his statement. Also he wouldn't have been fired if he had better ratings, it is about the money. It was a way to get out of a contract.
No he should not have been fired, he should have been warned at the least but fined at the most. What he said was meant to be funny but also to bring attention to the way collages are letting there programs go, one is clean cut and preparing the players for moving on to the business world, the other is just using them to make the school money. No collage should allow players representing them appear to be thugs.


I could be wrong here and i apologize if i twisted your words some how,but your basically saying those young girl do appear to look like young thugs and because of that look the school hasn't prepared for the buisness world,if you know those girls persoanlly you wouldn't put such an closed minded opinion like imus did on them.

If you watch their conference they seem far from the thug image but respectable young ladies.One shouldn't based an opinion on looks if imus did that he might still have a job.

Even Charles Manson can look good if he knows he has to. What has happened to school pride? If you even look at pro sports, look at the roll models they are not, there are few teams that have rules, the NY Yankees have a very strict dress code and grooming, if you compare them to other teams they are better roll models, clean cut and professional. Has nothing to do with anything but the image they are presenting. That is what Imus was making a point of, Tennessee had a good image and Rutgers did not, try to search for a team photo of the Rutgers team, you can not find on even on there home page.
If you want respect, earn it don't just feel people should give it to you because your a young student. Also I do not know any of the girls personally but from what they are presenting I do not want to.

[Legend]

Imus would not have been fired if he was black, that is just as bad as his statement. Also he wouldn't have been fired if he had better ratings, it is about the money. It was a way to get out of a contract.
No he should not have been fired, he should have been warned at the least but fined at the most. What he said was meant to be funny but also to bring attention to the way collages are letting there programs go, one is clean cut and preparing the players for moving on to the business world, the other is just using them to make the school money. No collage should allow players representing them appear to be thugs.


I could be wrong here and i apologize if i twisted your words some how,but your basically saying those young girl do appear to look like young thugs and because of that look the school hasn't prepared for the buisness world,if you know those girls persoanlly you wouldn't put such an closed minded opinion like imus did on them.

If you watch their conference they seem far from the thug image but respectable young ladies.One shouldn't based an opinion on looks if imus did that he might still have a job.

Even Charles Manson can look good if he knows he has to. What has happened to school pride? If you even look at pro sports, look at the roll models they are not, there are few teams that have rules, the NY Yankees have a very strict dress code and grooming, if you compare them to other teams they are better roll models, clean cut and professional. Has nothing to do with anything but the image they are presenting. That is what Imus was making a point of, Tennessee had a good image and Rutgers did not, try to search for a team photo of the Rutgers team, you can not find on even on there home page.
If you want respect, earn it don't just feel people should give it to you because your a young student. Also I do not know any of the girls personally but from what they are presenting I do not want to.


So your basing your judgement on what imus said i don't think he literally meant they weren't clean and didn't dress correctly what so now you can judge someone on their basketball uniform LOL,did you by any chance watch the Rutgers news conference if you did you would know a little about what the players look like instead of basing your opinion on what some guy said!

Here is the conference and when you hear the players and coach talk i don't think the so called "thug image" will come to your mind,they meaning the players and coach spoke with such elegance i don't think your gonna get a thug image from them but rather young sophiscated ladies that seem well educated.

Just look at them speak and base your opinion on that rather then what so one else says,

Rutgers' Press Conference part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yd6dsrxd_Qc

Rutgers' Press Conference part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCRtBi25Bxg

[freak]

Even though I am a Uconn fan, I do watch other teams. Do you even know what you are talking about? I think not. It isn't there uniform it is there way of wearing it and presenting them selfs.
Are you seriously trying to have a conversation or just stirring the shit?

[wombat33]

NEW YORK -- Don Imus said he's sorry for a controversy he's created.

On his "Imus In The Morning" show Thursday, he referred to the Rutgers women's basketball team as "nappy-headed hos."

He was talking to Sid Rosenberg with Sports Talk on the phone about the Women's NCAA Championship game.

Imus started out talking about the Rutgers team as, "some rough girls from Rutgers. They got tattoos," and then went on to call them "some nappy-headed hos."

He compared them to the Tennessee team, saying "The girls from Tennessee -- they all looked cute."

The conversation then went on to compare the game to "the jigaboos versus the wannabes." Media Matters reported that the show's executive producer, Bernard McGuirk, made that comment.

# To hear the controversial conversation, click here.

On Friday morning's show, Imus said, "I want to take a moment to apologize for an insensitive and ill-conceived remark we made the other morning regarding the Rutgers women's basketball team, which lost to Tennessee in the NCAA championship game on Tuesday.

It was completely inappropriate, and we can understand why people were offended. Our characterization was thoughtless and stupid, and we are sorry."

Thursday, The New York Times reported that Imus said people should relax and not worry about "some idiot comment meant to be amusing."

A Rutgers spokesperson issued a statement saying, "We agree with Mr. Imus that this was, in his own words, an 'idiot comment.' We are very proud of the success of the Rutgers women's basketball team. Coach Stringer and the Rutgers players are outstanding ambassadors for this great institution."

MSNBC released a statement saying, "While simulcast by MSNBC, 'Imus in the Morning' is not a production of the cable network and is produced by WFAN Radio. As Imus makes clear every day, his views are not those of MSNBC. We regret that his remarks were aired on MSNBC and apologize for these offensive comments."

He won't be the 1st shock jock to say something foul, and he certainly won't be the last.................

Here's my question to you all reading this post: Wouldn't it be wiser to let him pay a fine and stay on a radio station where he will be closely monitored for the rest of his airtime?

OR

Would it be smart to let him go KNOWING that satellite radio (Howard Stern or not) would JUMP at the opportunity to sign him where he could practically say whatever he wants?

The guy made a stupid mistake. Suspend him a week and get on with it.
Who among us has not said something we regret?

I feel for the girls as they deserve better, but if people want to belive that Al Sharpton has not said worse about white people................I have a bridge in New Jersey to sell you.

[Kabuki]

"if a white leader where to speak out specifically on WHITE folks...its racist."

What kind of speaking out are you talking about? Maybe I'm reading into this wrong. It just makes you sound like you support one of these ignorant white males talking about white power.

.

Kabuki,

Thank you for inadvertantly confirming my point...
If a white man speaks out its labled as "white power"...how come when a black leader speaks out it isnt labled "black power"??!?!

How did I confirm your point?...Speak out as much as you like, but when a white male gets in front of a crowd spitting out racist remarks...of course that's wrong...explain your logic here. Maybe I missed something again. I never said that you were a racist. I just don't think you're clear with whatever point you wanted to make.

:banghead Clearly this topic isnt going anywhere...obviously you fail to understand my logic and vice/versa.Or perhaps you choose not to see my point, many others in this thread have understood my point,and commented as much.

.Im no racist,but I do see issues,and im not afraid to ask questions,not in a confrontational manner,but in a way that im hoping my eyes can be opened to something Im currently not catching.


My point IS.... *sigh*..... anytime a race oriented issue arises,Sharpton,Jackson,Farrakhan come out and speak their mind on behalf of black america...sorry mate...but thats racist.They are clearly speaking on behalf of a black issue or person Once that occurs and the race element is introduced by these people,then its a racist issue.Yet these people are valued members of the black community.
If white america had the same 2 or 3 guys who came on TV everytime a white person was humiliated or degraded or robbed or murdered or prejudiced against or called "Cracker" then im sure they would be labled a racist group with racist intent....and black leaders would be outraged. How is this not a double standard?How is this ok...and most importantly how does black america not recognize that it does way more harm then good to black/white relations?!

Black america has its leaders,its organizations (NAACP,UNCF)its own mainstream publications(Ebony,Black Men) and so forth.
Yet I venture to guess if a succesful magazine called "White Man" were to launch,where every single ad had only nordic models,advertising skin care for "that glow as white as the morning snow",where every article was entirely dedicated to the white man and devoid of even a single person of color... or perhaps United Cauacasian College Fund,where the only prerequisite to be eligible was the fact that you were white... or National Association for the Advancement of White People...If any of these ANY OF THEM were to become a reality then the racial implications would fly,the shit would hit the fan,America would go fuckin nuts ...use whatever terminology you choose,but it wouldnt be pretty...Yet amazingly all the black groups and publications I mentioned arent a hypothetical what-if,they are reality.

....so again my point is:

How is that NOT a double standard??!? And why is it ok to be like that?As long as black america continues to prove through actions,words,deeds,organizations,publications and lingo that they are different and entitled to these things because of the color of their skin then one cannot but expect the Imus' and Michael Richards of the world to lash out in retaliation and the struggles of race relations to continue on the current road its on.

You misunderstood me it seems. When did we start talking about so-called white leaders...outside of the white power leaders. :banghead And how is Jackson speaking out on any case racist? I may not like Jackson, but he's racist? Your reasoning is flaw. Black america doesn't even follow Farrakhan. He hasn't even been in the media spotlight in years. So, if Obama spoke out against Imus, he's racist too? Do you want anyone to speak out? From your points, you seem to be upset that there are any kind of black magazines or organizations. I've heard this argument before, and I doubt I can make you understand the flaws in your argument. Black america is underrepresented in television, newspapers, and magazines. How many shows relate to black america on national television? I really want to hear your solutions to these issues.

Black america is treated differently. You can't grasp that, since you aren't black. I doubt you would get pulled over by cops for no reason on a regular basis. Drive through South Carolina and see if you get pulled over. I've been pulled over just because I had a white woman in my car. I was driving the speed limit, yet the cop pulled me over, and proceeded to the passenger side. Asking my white passenger if she was ok. You can't tell me about double standards. He had no excuse for his stop, except he was checking on my lady friend. I guess if I would have called Jackson down there, we're a bunch of racists.

[Legend]

Even though I am a Uconn fan, I do watch other teams. Do you even know what you are talking about? I think not. It isn't there uniform it is there way of wearing it and presenting them selfs.
Are you seriously trying to have a conversation or just stirring the shit?

This has nothing to do with what school you like,so your saying it's the way they wear their sanctioned playing uniforms that makes them look unclean and thug like, i'm seriously trying to have a dialogue with you.

Tell me in your own opinion what goes you the notion that they are unclean and thugs, i don't think your or imus have seem those girls outside their basketball uniform, so to based things about their character on playing uniforms is pretty ridiculous.

Just watch the conference and base your opinion on that!

[freak]

OK I was saying I am a UCONN fan, which meant I watch basketball, womens and mens, as a UCONN fan the women have been a better team for a long time. As there uniforms, the way they wear them, the sloppiness the skin art, the unladylike way they are carrying them selfs, the whole package. Did that spell it out for you?

Now you answer my question, well no need, your here to stir up shit.

Just watch the conference? Why not look at the school photos, duh. They mean nothing, you can dress up anyone for a day, even you.

[Legend]

OK I was saying I am a UCONN fan, which meant I watch basketball, womens and mens, as a UCONN fan the women have been a better team for a long time. As there uniforms, the way they wear them, the sloppiness the skin art, the unladylike way they are carrying them selfs, the whole package. Did that spell it out for you?

Now you answer my question, well no need, your here to stir up shit.

Just watch the conference? Why not look at the school photos, duh. They mean nothing, you can dress up anyone for a day, even you.

I thought we could have a civilized dialogue but dude your ignorance speaks for itself.

[tubgirl]

ok, i watched the conferences (which truly spoke of nothing, because, like freak said, anyone can look good for a day.)

then, after i watched those, i clicked on the link of the actual "imus offence". granted, he was crass, but was he wrong?

do they have nappy hair? do they have tattoes? Bernard McGuirk called the team "hard-core hos" right before imus said they were nappy headed.

Later, former Imus sports announcer Sid Rosenberg, who was filling in for sportscaster Chris Carlin, said: "The more I look at Rutgers, they look exactly like the [National Basketball Association's] Toronto Raptors."

McGuirk referred to the NCAA women's basketball championship game between Rutgers and Tennessee as a "Spike Lee thing," adding, "The Jigaboos vs. The Wannabees -- that movie that he had."

seems to me it was more than just imus. was he just the figure-head?

[tubgirl]

I thought we could have a civilized dialogue but dude your ignorance speaks for itself.

this post coming from someone that slings insults like there is no tomorrow. face it, legend, once you know that someone is smarter than you or has a better grasp on reality, you start with the name calling and finger pointing, thus losing any modicum of credibility you might have had.

[Legend]

Interesting article and BTW the writer is african american(like that matters),

Why Imus Had to Go
By Eugene Robinson


Now that the networks have pulled the plug on Don Imus, let's have no hyperventilation to the effect that the aging shock jock's fall from undeserved grace raises some important question about just who in our society is permitted to say just what. Wherever "the line" delineating acceptable discourse might be, calling those young women from Rutgers University "nappy-headed hos" is miles on the other side.

Especially for a 67-year-old white man with a long history of racist, sexist and homophobic remarks.

For young black hip-hop artists to use such language to demean black women is similarly deplorable -- and, I would argue, even more damaging. But come on, people, don't deceive yourselves that it's precisely the same thing. Don't pretend that 388 years of history -- since the first shackled African slaves arrived at Jamestown -- never happened. The First Amendment notwithstanding, it has always been the case that some speech has been off-limits to some people. I remember a time when black people couldn't say "I'd like to vote, please." Now, white people can't say "nappy-headed hos." You'll survive.

While we're at the business of blunt truth, do the big-time media luminaries who so often graced Imus's show have some explaining to do? You bet, and so do the parent news organizations, including my own, that allowed their journalists to go on a broadcast that routinely crossed the aforementioned line. All these trained observers couldn't have failed to notice Imus's well-practiced modus operandi. "He never said anything bad while I was on" doesn't cut it as a defense.

Nor is there much exculpatory power in Imus's defense of himself, which can be paraphrased as "I'm not a racist, I just keep saying racist things." What characteristics, do you suppose, could possibly identify a person who was indeed a racist? You think maybe that saying racist things might be a fairly reliable clue?

One of the most interesting things about the Imus meltdown is how MSNBC and its parent company, NBC Universal, moved from sluggish inaction to ordering a two-week suspension to bidding Imus, his cowboy hat and his unfunny entourage an abrupt adios. A day later, CBS Radio followed suit and canceled Imus.

The pressure applied by Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and other activists certainly got NBC and CBS's attention, and the news conference held by the offended Rutgers team was devastating. News stories citing Imus's past transgressions were embarrassing. And the withdrawal of Imus's biggest advertisers -- General Motors, GlaxoSmithKline, American Express, Ditech.com, Procter & Gamble, Staples, Sprint Nextel -- removed any financial incentive for MSNBC to keep the show on the air.

It would be logical to conclude that money talked and therefore Imus walked. But I tend to believe NBC News President Steve Capus when he says that the biggest factor was the internal reaction from NBC News employees, who told him in no uncertain terms that enough was enough.

Two of the network's on-air stars -- "Today" weatherman Al Roker and NBC correspondent Ron Allen -- authored strong anti-Imus posts on NBC blogs. Producers of NBC and MSNBC news shows gave the controversy nonstop coverage. Meanwhile, Capus was hearing from dozens of NBC employees who worried about what continued association with Imus would do to the network's reputation. Among them were women and minorities who told Capus they felt the sting of Imus's attacks personally.

Which is a sign of how the world has changed.

Four decades ago, when Imus started his long and lucrative radio career, there were few women and minorities at NBC in a position to influence the company's decision on an issue like this one. Take it another step: There were few women and minorities in positions of authority at the firms that advertised on Imus's show.

In think tanks and on college campuses, intellectuals still argue about diversity, but in corporate America the issue is settled: Diversity is a fact of today's world. In the nation's two most populous states, California and Texas, minorities already form a majority. Companies realize they cannot survive, let alone thrive, without courting diversity among their employees and their customers. You certainly can't run a television network these days without taking diversity into account.

Imus's advertisers couldn't afford to be associated with racist, misogynistic views, and neither could NBC. This doesn't portend any sort of chilling effect on free speech, as some have suggested. It doesn't mean that white males are being relegated to the dustbin of history. Last time I checked, guys, you still ran most of the world. You just have to be a bit nicer these days, and you have to share.

[tubgirl]

wow, copy/paste much?

[Realgirls4me]

Mike,Quinn:

I've read the articles you linked earlier. One article actually sought and quoted Rush Limbaugh -- RUSH LIMBAUGH -- so that one was automatically dismissed, and the other one from Ridley was basically a shameless one-sided hit piece on Jackson by one of his detractors. Though they, and other articles I've read, confirm that Jackson did initially get involved with the Duke case, the key word is initially. Unlike The New Black Panther Party, which still thinks the three Duke players are guilty and accuse Nifong of not doing his job, Jackson nor Sharpton were there in the background throughout this Duke case. I think that they discovered early that this woman's story was not on the up-and-up and pulled away with their moral and public support. I don't know if support for her financially initially, which goes with the PUSH/Rainbow Coalition mantra of pulling black youth "up and out", is necessarily supporting her story or claims. Apples and oranges, in other words. Many out there who don't know Jackson -- AND MANY HERE DON'T FROM WHAT I'VE READ -- don't know that his coalitions and organizations have railed against black kids dropping out of school, having babies out of wedlock, and most recently, his and Sharpton's attack on rap lyrics. They see Jackson at the Teri Schiabo case and automatically go off and criticize him, but what they don't know in that case for example is that the Schiabo family requested him for his spiritual guidance. The "Hymietown" comment was one off the record referring to an area of town as it was known. It was suppose to be off the record, but the reporter reported it anyway, and Jackson has not been able to live it down ever since. He paid a huge price for that gaffe. He didn't single out one person or a group of people as Imus did and yet his detractors won't allow that issue to die. Jackson forgave Jimmy the Greek for his drunk induced racial comment after Jimmy called him, why can't some of you perfect posters allow the Hymietown comment to go?

The thing that disturbs me about all this is that some of you are quick to slam Jackson and Sharpton by utilizing their past to discredit or disparage them don't or can't see this issue or position THROUGH A MINORITY PERSPECTIVE. You're most likely white and completely miss the forest for the trees. You can't relate in other words. You see Jackson or Sharpton on TV and your first thought has to be, Oh, what's that black idiot clown stirring up now..? When Jackson last night on Keith Olberman said that there are "no blacks or Latinos at MSNBC in the 3:00 to midnight slot", it resonated with me as a Latino, whereas I doubt any of you who are white would even have noticed such a comment because of the different world of treatment you are from. Jackson has championed causes such as workers in Chicago losing their well paid jobs to the Patriot Act, or the white poor of the Appalacia, but you ignorantly or conveniently miss issues like that. Taking a page from Jackson and Sharpton, in today's local paper there is an article of local Latino activists succeeding in getting Ken Burns to amend his six part series on World War II to include the contributions of some of the 500,000 Latinos who served. Imagine leaving half-a-million service personel out as if they never existed? Imagine that you as a white were marginalized and ignored like that? You're not, so you can't possibly relate. ...As a Latino, I wish a Jackson or Sharpton had been around in 1960 to protest the casting of the movie, Hell To Eternity; the true life story of a Los Angeles Hispanic (Guy Galbadon) who conviced 800 Japanese to surrender. Want to guess who played the lead role? Yep, the late blonde hair, blue eyed, Jeffery Hunter. Was that a fair depiction, and would I as a Latino care too much about a man's error ridden past like that of Jackson if he could shed light and bring justice to a wrong ? No. This is the point I'm trying to make about those such as Jackson and Sharpton -- they serve a valuable role, but you are not likely to see or understand it if you're from the good side of the tracks. I can't help you there.

Despite whatever baggage one might attribute to them, and THEY DO have baggage, only public figures such as Jackson and Sharpton can bring light to such issues because of who they are, and it is stupid to cite and focus on things such as Hymietown or Tawana Brawley and not focus on the good they have done. Both of the aforementioned gaffes are what, some 20 years old? Is championing for economic fairness as Jackson has wrong? Healthcare? And the reason the "double standard" line falls flat with a huge thud in most cases, is that it is premised on an equal standing among two parties, and right now in this country we just aren't there yet.

By the way, I think what Sharpton put people through in the Tawana Brawley case warrants an apology from him. I think Jackson would have done it. Sharpton claimed yesterday that because he felt the woman was convincing and telling the truth, that his actions were in accordance to that, and therefore no apology is needed. I disagree, but that's just my opinion.


All that being said, once again, I'd like to know what every Jackson and Sharpton detractor and cynic in this thread would do in cases such as the Rutger's case? Who should minorities turn to, or do you really believe we live in a perfect world not in need of equality, justice, and/or fairness?

[Solitary Brother]

From another black columnist, Jason Whitlock:

Imus isn’t the real bad guy

Instead of wasting time on irrelevant shock jock, black leaders need to be fighting a growing gangster culture.
By JASON WHITLOCK - Columnist

Thank you, Don Imus. You’ve given us (black people) an excuse to avoid our real problem.

You’ve given Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson another opportunity to pretend that the old fight, which is now the safe and lucrative fight, is still the most important fight in our push for true economic and social equality.

You’ve given Vivian Stringer and Rutgers the chance to hold a nationally televised recruiting celebration expertly disguised as a news conference to respond to your poor attempt at humor.

Thank you, Don Imus. You extended Black History Month to April, and we can once again wallow in victimhood, protest like it’s 1965 and delude ourselves into believing that fixing your hatred is more necessary than eradicating our self-hatred.

The bigots win again.

While we’re fixated on a bad joke cracked by an irrelevant, bad shock jock, I’m sure at least one of the marvelous young women on the Rutgers basketball team is somewhere snapping her fingers to the beat of 50 Cent’s or Snoop Dogg’s or Young Jeezy’s latest ode glorifying nappy-headed pimps and hos.

I ain’t saying Jesse, Al and Vivian are gold-diggas, but they don’t have the heart to mount a legitimate campaign against the real black-folk killas.

It is us. At this time, we are our own worst enemies. We have allowed our youths to buy into a culture (hip hop) that has been perverted, corrupted and overtaken by prison culture. The music, attitude and behavior expressed in this culture is anti-black, anti-education, demeaning, self-destructive, pro-drug dealing and violent.

Rather than confront this heinous enemy from within, we sit back and wait for someone like Imus to have a slip of the tongue and make the mistake of repeating the things we say about ourselves.

It’s embarrassing. Dave Chappelle was offered $50 million to make racially insensitive jokes about black and white people on TV. He was hailed as a genius. Black comedians routinely crack jokes about white and black people, and we all laugh out loud.

I’m no Don Imus apologist. He and his tiny companion Mike Lupica blasted me after I fell out with ESPN. Imus is a hack.

But, in my view, he didn’t do anything outside the norm for shock jocks and comedians. He also offered an apology. That should’ve been the end of this whole affair. Instead, it’s only the beginning. It’s an opportunity for Stringer, Jackson and Sharpton to step on victim platforms and elevate themselves and their agenda$.

I watched the Rutgers news conference and was ashamed.

Martin Luther King Jr. spoke for eight minutes in 1963 at the March on Washington. At the time, black people could be lynched and denied fundamental rights with little thought. With the comments of a talk-show host most of her players had never heard of before last week serving as her excuse, Vivian Stringer rambled on for 30 minutes about the amazing season her team had.

Somehow, we’re supposed to believe that the comments of a man with virtually no connection to the sports world ruined Rutgers’ wonderful season. Had a broadcaster with credibility and a platform in the sports world uttered the words Imus did, I could understand a level of outrage.

But an hourlong press conference over a man who has already apologized, already been suspended and is already insignificant is just plain intellectually dishonest. This is opportunism. This is a distraction.

In the grand scheme, Don Imus is no threat to us in general and no threat to black women in particular. If his words are so powerful and so destructive and must be rebuked so forcefully, then what should we do about the idiot rappers on BET, MTV and every black-owned radio station in the country who use words much more powerful and much more destructive?

I don’t listen or watch Imus’ show regularly. Has he at any point glorified selling crack cocaine to black women? Has he celebrated black men shooting each other randomly? Has he suggested in any way that it’s cool to be a baby-daddy rather than a husband and a parent? Does he tell his listeners that they’re suckers for pursuing education and that they’re selling out their race if they do?

When Imus does any of that, call me and I’ll get upset. Until then, he is what he is — a washed-up shock jock who is very easy to ignore when you’re not looking to be made a victim.

No. We all know where the real battleground is. We know that the gangsta rappers and their followers in the athletic world have far bigger platforms to negatively define us than some old white man with a bad radio show. There’s no money and lots of danger in that battle, so Jesse and Al are going to sit it out.

Yes!
I saw this on CNN tonight.
I totally agree with this guy.
I have spoken out against "rap" and the "gangsta lifestyle" on THIS board MULTIPLE times.
I have been rebuffed or laughed at by other members......now some of the chickens are coming home to roost.
Let me ask you this.....
Why did Imus go and talk with Al Sharpton in the first place?
WHY?
I dont get it........I think if Imus had gone to the basketball team IMMEDIATELY he would still have a job.
Al Sharpton is just an observer.......he had no real role in the incident.

[DJ_Asia]

"if a white leader where to speak out specifically on WHITE folks...its racist."

What kind of speaking out are you talking about? Maybe I'm reading into this wrong. It just makes you sound like you support one of these ignorant white males talking about white power.

.

Kabuki,

Thank you for inadvertantly confirming my point...
If a white man speaks out its labled as "white power"...how come when a black leader speaks out it isnt labled "black power"??!?!

How did I confirm your point?...Speak out as much as you like, but when a white male gets in front of a crowd spitting out racist remarks...of course that's wrong...explain your logic here. Maybe I missed something again. I never said that you were a racist. I just don't think you're clear with whatever point you wanted to make.

:banghead Clearly this topic isnt going anywhere...obviously you fail to understand my logic and vice/versa.Or perhaps you choose not to see my point, many others in this thread have understood my point,and commented as much.

.Im no racist,but I do see issues,and im not afraid to ask questions,not in a confrontational manner,but in a way that im hoping my eyes can be opened to something Im currently not catching.


My point IS.... *sigh*..... anytime a race oriented issue arises,Sharpton,Jackson,Farrakhan come out and speak their mind on behalf of black america...sorry mate...but thats racist.They are clearly speaking on behalf of a black issue or person Once that occurs and the race element is introduced by these people,then its a racist issue.Yet these people are valued members of the black community.
If white america had the same 2 or 3 guys who came on TV everytime a white person was humiliated or degraded or robbed or murdered or prejudiced against or called "Cracker" then im sure they would be labled a racist group with racist intent....and black leaders would be outraged. How is this not a double standard?How is this ok...and most importantly how does black america not recognize that it does way more harm then good to black/white relations?!

Black america has its leaders,its organizations (NAACP,UNCF)its own mainstream publications(Ebony,Black Men) and so forth.
Yet I venture to guess if a succesful magazine called "White Man" were to launch,where every single ad had only nordic models,advertising skin care for "that glow as white as the morning snow",where every article was entirely dedicated to the white man and devoid of even a single person of color... or perhaps United Cauacasian College Fund,where the only prerequisite to be eligible was the fact that you were white... or National Association for the Advancement of White People...If any of these ANY OF THEM were to become a reality then the racial implications would fly,the shit would hit the fan,America would go fuckin nuts ...use whatever terminology you choose,but it wouldnt be pretty...Yet amazingly all the black groups and publications I mentioned arent a hypothetical what-if,they are reality.

....so again my point is:

How is that NOT a double standard??!? And why is it ok to be like that?As long as black america continues to prove through actions,words,deeds,organizations,publications and lingo that they are different and entitled to these things because of the color of their skin then one cannot but expect the Imus' and Michael Richards of the world to lash out in retaliation and the struggles of race relations to continue on the current road its on.

You misunderstood me it seems. When did we start talking about so-called white leaders...outside of the white power leaders. :banghead And how is Jackson speaking out on any case racist? I may not like Jackson, but he's racist? Your reasoning is flaw. Black america doesn't even follow Farrakhan. He hasn't even been in the media spotlight in years. So, if Obama spoke out against Imus, he's racist too? Do you want anyone to speak out? From your points, you seem to be upset that there are any kind of black magazines or organizations. I've heard this argument before, and I doubt I can make you understand the flaws in your argument. Black america is underrepresented in television, newspapers, and magazines. How many shows relate to black america on national television? I really want to hear your solutions to these issues.

Black america is treated differently. You can't grasp that, since you aren't black. I doubt you would get pulled over by cops for no reason on a regular basis. Drive through South Carolina and see if you get pulled over. I've been pulled over just because I had a white woman in my car. I was driving the speed limit, yet the cop pulled me over, and proceeded to the passenger side. Asking my white passenger if she was ok. You can't tell me about double standards. He had no excuse for his stop, except he was checking on my lady friend. I guess if I would have called Jackson down there, we're a bunch of racists.

My grandfather on my mothers side was one of the darkest skinned black man I ever met.

[Kabuki]

Al Sharpton demanded that the Federal Communications Commission ban violent rappers from radio and television, and he launched a boycott against Universal Music Group, which he accused of "peddling racist and misogynistic black stereotypes" through rap music. Sharpton expressed special concern about white perceptions of African Americans. Rappers and their corporate supporters "make it easy for black culture to be dismissed by the majority," he said, and the large white fan base "has learned through rap images to identify black male culture with a culture of violence."

Jesse Jackson's Rainbow/PUSH Coalition signed on to the boycott, as did Princeton professor Cornel West, who issued a statement claiming that music companies and rappers made it easy for whites to "view black bodies and black souls as less moral, oversexed and less intelligent."

quotes from this article:

"Is Rap tomorrow's Jazz?"
By Thaddeus Russell

THADDEUS RUSSELL is a professor of history and American studies at Barnard College.

August 16, 2005

A LEADING African American newspaper published a series of articles assailing black musicians for holding back the race. The music "is killing some people," the paper claimed. "Some are going insane; others are losing their religion." The artists under attack were not rappers such as 50 Cent or Ludacris but Fats Waller, Louis Armstrong and Duke Ellington. "The young girls and boys who constantly take jazz every day and night are absolutely becoming bad, and some criminals," the (New York) Amsterdam News wrote in 1925.

There is a long but little-known history of African American leaders denouncing black popular music as self-destructive and an impediment to integration, a history that continues in the current campaign against rap. This is unfortunate because rap, like older forms of black popular music now considered to be "America's classical music," is distinctive and important because it differs from the norms of "respectable" culture.

Last month, when Lil' Kim was sentenced to prison for lying to a grand jury about a shooting, her raps were also indicted as an obstacle to black progress. "Her music is laced with lyrics that glorify promiscuous sex and gratuitous violence," wrote DeWayne Wickham, a nationally syndicated columnist and former president of the National Assn. of Black Journalists. "She is a Pied Piper of the worst kind — a diva of smut."

The criticisms of Lil' Kim were launched amid an anti-rap movement that began in March, soon after shots were fired by the rival entourages of 50 Cent and the Game outside a New York radio station. Al Sharpton demanded that the Federal Communications Commission ban violent rappers from radio and television, and he launched a boycott against Universal Music Group, which he accused of "peddling racist and misogynistic black stereotypes" through rap music. Sharpton expressed special concern about white perceptions of African Americans. Rappers and their corporate supporters "make it easy for black culture to be dismissed by the majority," he said, and the large white fan base "has learned through rap images to identify black male culture with a culture of violence."

Jesse Jackson's Rainbow/PUSH Coalition signed on to the boycott, as did Princeton professor Cornel West, who issued a statement claiming that music companies and rappers made it easy for whites to "view black bodies and black souls as less moral, oversexed and less intelligent."

These critics argue that the "damaging" images of African Americans in rap discourage whites from opening the door to full citizenship. Yet a consideration of the troubled relationship between civil rights leaders and black popular music in the past might give pause to the opponents of contemporary rap, and, for that matter, to the proponents of integration. In fact, blues, jazz, rock 'n' roll and rhythm and blues were all denounced by advocates for racial integration, and for the same reasons rap is now under attack.

In the 1920s, several civil rights leaders were so concerned about the sexual and violent content of popular blues and jazz songs that they established a record company to "undertake the job of elevating the musical taste of the race." Promoted by W.E.B. DuBois and A. Philip Randolph, two of the most important civil rights leaders of the 20th century, Black Swan Records pledged to distribute "the Better Class of Records by Colored Artists," which meant recordings of "respectable" European classical music.

Civil rights leaders similarly opposed the next creations of African American musicians: rock 'n' roll and rhythm and blues. In the 1950s, Martin Luther King Jr. told African Americans to shun the new music, which, he said, "plunges men's minds into degrading and immoral depths." Likewise, Randolph's Brotherhood of Sleeping Car Porters, which produced a great portion of the civil rights leadership, condemned rock and R&B for their overt sexuality and their "degrading portrayal of Negro womanhood."

This history suggests that the cause of integration has always been at odds with what is now widely hailed as America's most important contribution to world culture. Many scholars argue that the creators of jazz, blues, rock and R&B were great because of their willingness and ability to work outside European cultural forms and to speak about elements of the human condition that white artists would not, such as sex and violence.

Those who attack the latest form of black popular music for the sake of racial unity and "respectability" might stop to consider which side, in the history that will be written of this time, they wish to be on.

[Solitary Brother]

Al Sharpton demanded that the Federal Communications Commission ban violent rappers from radio and television, and he launched a boycott against Universal Music Group, which he accused of "peddling racist and misogynistic black stereotypes" through rap music. Sharpton expressed special concern about white perceptions of African Americans. Rappers and their corporate supporters "make it easy for black culture to be dismissed by the majority," he said, and the large white fan base "has learned through rap images to identify black male culture with a culture of violence."

Jesse Jackson's Rainbow/PUSH Coalition signed on to the boycott, as did Princeton professor Cornel West, who issued a statement claiming that music companies and rappers made it easy for whites to "view black bodies and black souls as less moral, oversexed and less intelligent."

quotes from this article:

"Is Rap tomorrow's Jazz?"
By Thaddeus Russell

THADDEUS RUSSELL is a professor of history and American studies at Barnard College.

August 16, 2005

A LEADING African American newspaper published a series of articles assailing black musicians for holding back the race. The music "is killing some people," the paper claimed. "Some are going insane; others are losing their religion." The artists under attack were not rappers such as 50 Cent or Ludacris but Fats Waller, Louis Armstrong and Duke Ellington. "The young girls and boys who constantly take jazz every day and night are absolutely becoming bad, and some criminals," the (New York) Amsterdam News wrote in 1925.

There is a long but little-known history of African American leaders denouncing black popular music as self-destructive and an impediment to integration, a history that continues in the current campaign against rap. This is unfortunate because rap, like older forms of black popular music now considered to be "America's classical music," is distinctive and important because it differs from the norms of "respectable" culture.

Last month, when Lil' Kim was sentenced to prison for lying to a grand jury about a shooting, her raps were also indicted as an obstacle to black progress. "Her music is laced with lyrics that glorify promiscuous sex and gratuitous violence," wrote DeWayne Wickham, a nationally syndicated columnist and former president of the National Assn. of Black Journalists. "She is a Pied Piper of the worst kind — a diva of smut."

The criticisms of Lil' Kim were launched amid an anti-rap movement that began in March, soon after shots were fired by the rival entourages of 50 Cent and the Game outside a New York radio station. Al Sharpton demanded that the Federal Communications Commission ban violent rappers from radio and television, and he launched a boycott against Universal Music Group, which he accused of "peddling racist and misogynistic black stereotypes" through rap music. Sharpton expressed special concern about white perceptions of African Americans. Rappers and their corporate supporters "make it easy for black culture to be dismissed by the majority," he said, and the large white fan base "has learned through rap images to identify black male culture with a culture of violence."

Jesse Jackson's Rainbow/PUSH Coalition signed on to the boycott, as did Princeton professor Cornel West, who issued a statement claiming that music companies and rappers made it easy for whites to "view black bodies and black souls as less moral, oversexed and less intelligent."

These critics argue that the "damaging" images of African Americans in rap discourage whites from opening the door to full citizenship. Yet a consideration of the troubled relationship between civil rights leaders and black popular music in the past might give pause to the opponents of contemporary rap, and, for that matter, to the proponents of integration. In fact, blues, jazz, rock 'n' roll and rhythm and blues were all denounced by advocates for racial integration, and for the same reasons rap is now under attack.

In the 1920s, several civil rights leaders were so concerned about the sexual and violent content of popular blues and jazz songs that they established a record company to "undertake the job of elevating the musical taste of the race." Promoted by W.E.B. DuBois and A. Philip Randolph, two of the most important civil rights leaders of the 20th century, Black Swan Records pledged to distribute "the Better Class of Records by Colored Artists," which meant recordings of "respectable" European classical music.

Civil rights leaders similarly opposed the next creations of African American musicians: rock 'n' roll and rhythm and blues. In the 1950s, Martin Luther King Jr. told African Americans to shun the new music, which, he said, "plunges men's minds into degrading and immoral depths." Likewise, Randolph's Brotherhood of Sleeping Car Porters, which produced a great portion of the civil rights leadership, condemned rock and R&B for their overt sexuality and their "degrading portrayal of Negro womanhood."

This history suggests that the cause of integration has always been at odds with what is now widely hailed as America's most important contribution to world culture. Many scholars argue that the creators of jazz, blues, rock and R&B were great because of their willingness and ability to work outside European cultural forms and to speak about elements of the human condition that white artists would not, such as sex and violence.

Those who attack the latest form of black popular music for the sake of racial unity and "respectability" might stop to consider which side, in the history that will be written of this time, they wish to be on.


TOLD U SO!

[Realgirls4me]

SB,

It most likely would have been ignored if Sharpton or Jackson had not got involved. Do you really believe that if just the Rutgers coach had held a press conference that it would have had the media attention and thus taken off if Sharpton or Jackson had remained on the sidelines? I don't.

I too don't care for the "gangsta" lifestyle.

[freak]

Mike,Quinn:

I've read the articles you linked earlier. One article actually sought and quoted Rush Limbaugh -- RUSH LIMBAUGH -- so that one was automatically dismissed, and the other one from Ridley was basically a shameless one-sided hit piece on Jackson by one of his detractors. Though they, and other articles I've read, confirm that Jackson did initially get involved with the Duke case, the key word is initially. Unlike The New Black Panther Party, which still thinks the three Duke players are guilty and accuse Nifong of not doing his job, Jackson nor Sharpton were there in the background throughout this Duke case. I think that they discovered early that this woman's story was not on the up-and-up and pulled away with their moral and public support. I don't know if support for her financially initially, which goes with the PUSH/Rainbow Coalition mantra of pulling black youth "up and out", is necessarily supporting her story or claims. Apples and oranges, in other words. Many out there who don't know Jackson -- AND MANY HERE DON'T FROM WHAT I'VE READ -- don't know that his coalitions and organizations have railed against black kids dropping out of school, having babies out of wedlock, and most recently, his and Sharpton's attack on rap lyrics. They see Jackson at the Teri Schiabo case and automatically go off and criticize him, but what they don't know in that case for example is that the Schiabo family requested him for his spiritual guidance. The "Hymietown" comment was one off the record referring to an area of town as it was known. It was suppose to be off the record, but the reporter reported it anyway, and Jackson has not been able to live it down ever since. He paid a huge price for that gaffe. He didn't single out one person or a group of people as Imus did and yet his detractors won't allow that issue to die. Jackson forgave Jimmy the Greek for his drunk induced racial comment after Jimmy called him, why can't some of you perfect posters allow the Hymietown comment to go?

The thing that disturbs me about all this is that some of you are quick to slam Jackson and Sharpton by utilizing their past to discredit or disparage them don't or can't see this issue or position THROUGH A MINORITY PERSPECTIVE. You're most likely white and completely miss the forest for the trees. You can't relate in other words. You see Jackson or Sharpton on TV and your first thought has to be, Oh, what's that black idiot clown stirring up now..? When Jackson last night on Keith Olberman said that there are "no blacks or Latinos at MSNBC in the 3:00 to midnight slot", it resonated with me as a Latino, whereas I doubt any of you who are white would even have noticed such a comment because of the different world of treatment you are from. Jackson has championed causes such as workers in Chicago losing their well paid jobs to the Patriot Act, or the white poor of the Appalacia, but you ignorantly or conveniently miss issues like that. Taking a page from Jackson and Sharpton, in today's local paper there is an article of local Latino activists succeeding in getting Ken Burns to amend his six part series on World War II to include the contributions of some of the 500,000 Latinos who served. Imagine leaving half-a-million service personel out as if they never existed? Imagine that you as a white were marginalized and ignored like that? You're not, so you can't possibly relate. ...As a Latino, I wish a Jackson or Sharpton had been around in 1960 to protest the casting of the movie, Hell To Eternity; the true life story of a Los Angeles Hispanic (Guy Galbadon) who conviced 800 Japanese to surrender. Want to guess who played the lead role? Yep, the late blonde hair, blue eyed, Jeffery Hunter. Was that a fair depiction, and would I as a Latino care too much about a man's error ridden past like that of Jackson if he could shed light and bring justice to a wrong ? No. This is the point I'm trying to make about those such as Jackson and Sharpton -- they serve a valuable role, but you are not likely to see or understand it if you're from the good side of the tracks. I can't help you there.

Despite whatever baggage one might attribute to them, and THEY DO have baggage, only public figures such as Jackson and Sharpton can bring light to such issues because of who they are, and it is stupid to cite and focus on things such as Hymietown or Tawana Brawley and not focus on the good they have done. Both of the aforementioned gaffes are what, some 20 years old? Is championing for economic fairness as Jackson has wrong? Healthcare? And the reason the "double standard" line falls flat with a huge thud in most cases, is that it is premised on an equal standing among two parties, and right now in this country we just aren't there yet.

By the way, I think what Sharpton put people through in the Tawana Brawley case warrants an apology from him. I think Jackson would have done it. Sharpton claimed yesterday that because he felt the woman was convincing and telling the truth, that his actions were in accordance to that, and therefore no apology is needed. I disagree, but that's just my opinion.


All that being said, once again, I'd like to know what every Jackson and Sharpton detractor and cynic in this thread would do in cases such as the Rutger's case? Who should minorities turn to, or do you really believe we live in a perfect world not in need of equality, justice, and/or fairness?Jackson and Sharpton are about Jackson and Sharpton, they just use the black community for there own personal gain. Jackson forgave Jimmy the Greek but the networks never did, Howard Cosell too was banished for good for saying look at the monkey go. If a white leader said it is in NIGGER TOWN or BEANER VILLE, they would never be heard from again unlike Jesse Jackson. If a white mayor smoked crack he would never work in politics again let alone become mayor again. There is a a double standard when it comes to what people say, if Jesse Jackson said CRACKER TOWN it would have never been anything but he picked on the Jews so he had to pay.

Oh I remember another Rev. Sharpton riot, when the Jewish guy hit the 2 black kids and the ambulance took the Jewish guy first, he lied and said the paramedics refused to treat the children, when they did and there was nothing they could do and another ambulance was there already. He got 4 Jewish people killed in the riots, 4 innocent people killed because they were jewish and he stood up for the rioters. That is why they do more harm then good.

The 60's are over, it is now 2007 no need to keep opening up those wounds.

[freak]

One more thing, Imus is an old guy who doesn't need to work anymore, if I were him I would defend what I said, it was a joke! That is it. I would say something like this to the girls. Listen you bunch of nappy headed gangsters, I really meant to call you bull dykes!

[Kabuki]

The 60's are over, it is now 2007 no need to keep opening up those wounds.

The wounds never healed though :cry:

[Legend]

CBS Fires Don Imus
By Michael David Smith


Broadcasting legend Don Imus no longer has a platform. A day after MSNBC dumped him from television, CBS has fired him from the radio. Last week Imus called the Rutgers women's basketball team "nappy-headed hos," and this week one of the most influential broadcasters in history is out of work.

CBS President and Chief Executive Officer Leslie Moonves released a statement saying,

"From the outset, I believe all of us have been deeply upset and revulsed by the statements that were made on our air about the young women who represented Rutgers University in the NCAA Women's Basketball Championship with such class, energy and talent.... Those who have spoken with us the last few days represent people of goodwill from all segments of our society – all races, economic groups, men and women alike. In our meetings with concerned groups, there has been much discussion of the effect language like this has on our young people, particularly young women of color trying to make their way in this society. That consideration has weighed most heavily on our minds as we made our decision."

This morning, on what would turn out to be his last show, Imus raised nearly $1 million for charity in the first five hours of his annual radio fundraiser.

Although Imus no longer has a radio show, that certainly does not mean his career is over. His show was enormously popular, and he can attract enough listeners that some station will give him a second chance. The most likely venue for Imus is satellite radio, which is less reliant on advertisers and therefore less susceptible to boycotts.


I heard sirius radio is hiring,oh wait they are already occupied by a jackass howard stern!

[freak]

only if you don't let them

[Realgirls4me]

Jackson and Sharpton are about Jackson and Sharpton, they just use the black community for there own personal gain. Jackson forgave Jimmy the Greek but the networks never did, Howard Cosell too was banished for good for saying look at the monkey go. If a white leader said it is in NIGGER TOWN or BEANER VILLE, they would never be heard from again unlike Jesse Jackson. If a white mayor smoked crack he would never work in politics again let alone become mayor again. There is a a double standard when it comes to what people say, if Jesse Jackson said CRACKER TOWN it would have never been anything but he picked on the Jews so he had to pay.

Oh I remember another Rev. Sharpton riot, when the Jewish guy hit the 2 black kids and the ambulance took the Jewish guy first, he lied and said the paramedics refused to treat the children, when they did and there was nothing they could do and another ambulance was there already. He got 4 Jewish people killed in the riots, 4 innocent people killed because they were jewish and he stood up for the rioters. That is why they do more harm then good.

The 60's are over, it is now 2007 no need to keep opening up those wounds.

Says you. How can you possibly know what is in their heart or heads? What do you know about the black community? You're exactly the type of person I've depicted upstream, in that you come from a perspective that can't possibly understand or relate to what a minority goes through, or has been through in the past. In your mind it's 2007, so we've reached Utopia and anyone challenging the status quo MUST BE out for their own personal gain, right? Talk about detached and out of touch with reality?! Both Jackson and Sharpton are products of the '60s civil Rights era, with Jackson being present when King was assasinated or did you forget, and you think he's forgotten that and out for pure personal gain? That he sold out? That he likes having his past brought up and having his name ridiculed in thousands of forums such as this one or on TV and radio by his critics and detractors? I don't.

What are you are failing to see is that they, Jackson and Sharpton, are not in the positions of power that those they take on are. People in the power or privileged class are generally not looking for affirmation or acceptance, so a white leader isn't likely to proclaim "White Power". HE ALREADY HAS POWER. Those in power who have never been oppressed in one form or another aren't crying to be let into the club. They don't need to challenge the status quo -- they make the status quo. A double standard generally comes into play when both parties are ostensibly equal, and that just isn't the case yet. I'm not saying certainly that I always agree with their methods, but I do see the need for them.

Again, you want to give me the name of one white leader on the forefront of Civil Rights today, or someone out correcting the racist and sexist remarks of a Don Imus? C'mon, surely one like you who knows what a Jackson or Sharpton is all about can surely provide a name or model of behavior in mind.

[DJ_Asia]

The 60's are over, it is now 2007 no need to keep opening up those wounds.

The wounds never healed though :cry:

You seem like a cool person and this in no way is a personal attack but have you ever stopped and asked yourself why the wounds have never healed?Asked yourself why the cops pull you over due to the color of your skin.Why Imus makes inflamatory comments?Perhaps if black america looked inward to see the problem instead of blaming "The Man" for everything,healing might have a chance to take hold.

How long do we have to be reminded that the reasons for the double standards are because of slavery?How many years and generations has to pass before slavery is no longer a crutch to justify double standards and reverse racism?

Have you ever studied the country of Liberia,why it was created and why it has the problems it still has today?The US government assisted in establishing that country as an independant nation for former slaves to return to Africa if they so chose.America was wrong on the slavery issue and admitted as much and offered Liberia as a way to fix the problem.Yet today Liberia is only just beginning to get its act together.Why?Do we blame "the man" here as well?

Pretty much every race and religion has been persecuted through the times at some point and yet most of these people have stood up brushed themselves off and made life better for themselves,yet when black america continues to live life according to their own rules and clearly through actions and words have declared themselves different and entitled to behaviour that is privy to just them,America has to accept it due to slavery.Chapelle says "nigga" its funny..Imus says "nappy headed" he loses his job.why? Because of slavery and how hard life is for a black person in America is what i keep hearing. You can make excuses all day long,but its a double standard which reinforces the differences between black and white america.

Dont you think that if black leaders spent as much time and effort and money ridding the black community of gangsters,gangster rappers who glorify an outlaw lifestyle,putting real money into education and jobs for the black community instead of blaming Imus and his kind for all the problems that beset the community then perhaps the healing process might proceed?

From a person who's grandfather was a black man.

[Kramer]

I have 1 question, answer it honestly.

Had CBS and MSNBC held their ground and NOT fired Imus, what really would have happened??

These are billion dollar corporations, boycotts would not have hurt them.

I say their would have been marches outside their headquarters for a few days, maybe weeks, then they would just go away. Saying you wont purchase products from Staples or Proctor and Gamble or GM wouldnt hurt those companies either. Things like that are near impossible to carry out. People would forget this whole story and go back to their regular habits of buying what they always tend to .

The threats from Sharpton and Jackson were hollow and werent gonna accomplish a thing.

So why did CBS and MSNBC panic?????

[Realgirls4me]

So why did CBS and MSNBC panic?????

Maybe because their reputations are on the line?


If the threats by Jackson or Sharpton were hollow and weren't going to accomplish a thing, why are you panicking? What have you got against a minority making inroads through the media?

Enlighten me.

[Kramer]

why are you panicking? What have you got against a minority making inroads through the media?


With all due respect, I dont understand your question.

[ezed]

Realgirls4me,
I read your response to me. And I'm not ignoring it. I respect your comments deeply but so much has happen since I was last on line, I must digress. So I'm going to go off on another tangent. I accept many of your points, but I won't address them here since so much has been posted and so much has happened.

Imus is off the airwaves. Everyone is talking about it. I walked into a bar at 6:00pm tonight. I didn't know Imus had been fired from CBS. I found out quickly. And then the silent majority spoke. I said to myself, shit this is fucking wierd. All of a sudden there is a race war where there wasn't one. I click through the talking heads, Bill O'Rielly is in Ireland vowing to hold the rappers accountable to the same standard. This is getting like Germany in the thirties.

Patrice O'Neil (black) said this would happen a few days ago on Hannity & Combs and yesterday and today on Opie and Anthony. I think this is the day PC jumps the shark. We are letting free speech being taken away from us. The silent majority is taking notice and getting off their chairs. What a fucking mess. The media believes we are not competent enough to change the channel.

Do you see what I'm saying? Am I making a mountain out of a molehill?

This is really scary, not only for me but also for you.

[ezed]

And Legend,
I read your posts, laughed.....and said what a tool! Keep posting you silly little douche bag, you! It's your right as an American! Look forward to your saliva dripping response! Remember, keep your mouth away from the keyboard when typing.

[Realgirls4me]

ezed,

The firestorm will turn to embers, trust me. What I do hope to get from all of this though, is that others not have their Freedom of Speech taken away from them, but that they are finally held accountable for the slop they consistently serve as Imus was. It would be patently unfair to make Imus a scapegoat for idiots who have made a wonderful living peddling that slop. Have you ever heard what Neal Boortz or Ann Coulter have said, and should they be allowed to continue with their crap unscrutinized?

[ezed]

ezed,

The firestorm will turn to embers, trust me. What I do hope to get from all of this though, is that others not have their Freedom of Speech taken away from them, but that they are finally held accountable for the slop they consistently serve as Imus was. It would be patently unfair to make Imus a scapegoat for idiots who have made a wonderful living peddling that slop. Have you ever heard what Neal Boortz or Ann Coulter have said, and should they be allowed to continue with their crap unscrutinized?

Yes they serve slop, but if we change the channel they will fade away. Keep it in our hands not in the hands of the talking heads.

[Legend]

So why did CBS and MSNBC panic?????

Maybe because their reputations are on the line.

I doubt that they fired him over their reputation,his sponsors probably pulled thus his firing,from my understanding a third of his sponsors pulled within a couple of days.This guy has spewed his garbage for years and yet they kept him on the payroll,it's just in this day and age everything has to be politically correct thats why sponsors probably pulled.It's a shame that they fired him over money and not the bases of his racist bullshit.

[ezed]

I don't listen to Bortz or Coulter, but I know of them and don't listen to them.

[DJ_Asia]

Used it elsewhere but it applies here as well...


Insanity in individuals is something rare - but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.


Friedrich Nietzsche

[Realgirls4me]

I don't listen to Bortz or Coulter, but I know of them and don't listen to them.

Good, you're not missing anything. Again, what I would like to see is having the crap that a Coulter or Boortz dispend daily be put under the same microscope that Imus has been put under these last few days. That once their crap is exposed and scrutinized for everyone to see, that the marketplace determine what stays and what goes. I have faith in the intelligence of the masses that they wouldn't accept the crap of a Boortz or Coulter. ...I'm not for government censorship, but I am for the balance that scrutiny brings out.

[ottorocket]

So why did CBS and MSNBC panic?????

Maybe because their reputations are on the line?


If the threats by Jackson or Sharpton were hollow and weren't going to accomplish a thing, why are you panicking? What have you got against a minority making inroads through the media?

Enlighten me.


CBS still has a shred of reputation left?? Thats news to me (pun intended)

[Realgirls4me]

Otto,

Well, it has far more than, say, Fox News. Look how they just did Obama for example:

http://www.crooksandliars.com/


They did what they've done many times -- took a partial quote to smear someone and also fit their agenda.

.

[Legend]

http://www.newshounds.us and http://www.oreilly-sucks.com/ check those ones out as well.

[ottorocket]

Otto,

Well, it has far more than, say, Fox News. Look how they just did Obama for example:

http://www.crooksandliars.com/


They did what they've done many times -- took a partial quote to smear someone and also fit their agenda.

.


I put all of those alphabet channels AND Faux News in the same steaming pile of excrement they want to call news. I personally don't care to digest the tripe that comes from ANY alphabet channel (cbs, nbc, abc) with an embedded pro-Alqueda sympathizing correspondent, or alternatively,... a vapid, teleprompter reading muppet with bleached blond hair sequewaying into the star spangled banner with a smile on her face.

They are all the shite.

[DJ_Asia]

http://www.newshounds.us and http://www.oreilly-sucks.com/ check those one out as well.

Coulter and O'Reilly appeal to a target audience that pretty much alienates anyone:

making under 500k a year
supporting abortion rights
gay rights
anti war

pretty much 99% of this board

[ottorocket]

http://www.newshounds.us and http://www.oreilly-sucks.com/ check those one out as well.

Coulter and O'Reilly appeal to a target audience that pretty much alienates anyone:

making under 500k a year
supporting abortion rights
gay rights
anti war

pretty much 99% of this board


Most of those channels with their iconoclasts are purely there for ratings...hence the disparate disconnect with most people. Whether conservative or liberal...the executives know that divisive opinion and the talking heads who espouse their opinions, and give a forum for it, will attract the most lively of debate, which the public does tune into. So, however much you hate Oreilly, Coulter, Hannity, etc... an equal and justified corellation to some of the figureheads on the left either in Hollywood, the arts, activist speaking, etc...can be made generally to characterize in the same manner.

[Realgirls4me]

The only problem I have with that take of yours, Otto, is that the former act as journalists, where those from Hollywood are just highly visible private citizens. Many out there look at a Hannity or O'Reilly as actual journalists, but they'll dismiss the Hollywood type because they aren't.