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Nautica
04-06-2007, 08:21 AM
Ok,

This has been sitting in my brain for a while now and I want your input. Are some people serious when they say they have a significant other while they are escorting? I know I will NEVERRRR understand the seriousness that goes through people's heads that think this way, but I want your opinion, anyhow.

I see "working" girls with their "man" and I'm like wtf? How in the h-e-double hockey sticks can you share your body with someone else and then expect the other to be faithful. Fugg the no emotional connection kick and all of those other ways around it.

I guess this game/buisness is too much of a drug(addictive). If it came down to the significant other(lmfao x 2.2,000,000) or the money, which do you think would win?

Cast your votes, now!


P.S.

Don't waste your time trying to get me to understand this. I'm just looking for your opinion. If a man is mine and I'm his...that's that.


Smootches =^.^= :D

Nautica
04-06-2007, 08:27 AM
P.S.S.

How do or would you guys deal with your girl working. *edited* lol


P.S.S.S.
I have guy friends on the side that I hang out and do stuff with, and no offense to you *working* girls with boyfriends......inquiring mind dahlings......

qeuqheeg222
04-06-2007, 08:33 AM
ever since ive been around tg's and their significant others(11 or 12 yrs now)you see a lot of different types of relationship dynamics that either work for some fucked up reason or dont and lead to a lot of drama.ive seen sugar-daddy types,the fat old white bottom guys who fell hard for a escort and blew big bucks having lavish weddings in mansions in new orleans only to help fund w3ebsite prostitution to validate their later or planned infidelities....then there is the escort by night payin for the trades nikes and weed relationships because she just wants somebody around????it seems really rare to find some sense of genuine i'm for you and you are for me in much of this,but it might just be more of how one defines "relationship" p.s.dont forget the secret tv/cds who want secret pointers from their escort girlfriend......

MacShreach
04-06-2007, 11:11 AM
Good question for Good Friday Morning.

Everybody's different but I have thought about this. I think it's presumptuous for a man to expect a woman to give up work for him.

In my case I would be pretty surprised if I met a t-girl other than through a business engagement, so I would know what the score was right up front. Therefore I would be going in with my eyes open. I think it would be very different if I didn't know.

The question would be whether I could live with my girl going with other men? And while I knew about it--"Oh, can't come to the beach this afternoon darling, I'm working."

A man would have to be very very well balanced to deal with that, and I can't be sure that it would work, but if I really liked the girl and wanted to be with her, I would try.

Younger men have a lot of ego issues that complicate love; I know I could never have done this sort of thing when I was 25, say. But now now I am a little older and I have been through the Great Romance and all the other things so I think I could handle it, although I would want to be sure the girl was taking care of herself, being safe and not getting involved in drugs or other criminality, and also that she understood that she didn't have to do it if she didn't want to, as I could support her while she restructured her life.

Might be my next great challenge--who knows?

JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel
04-06-2007, 12:01 PM
GREAT FUCKING TOPIC

I know a few TS' working locally that jokingly say they are married to a guy or have a live in boyfriend. Focusing on the 2 sisters I know that say this (no flabby & hollywood, not them) they actually do have live in boyfriends which amazes me. They have one room set up for escorting and the other room is their bedroom (actually thats the typical setup, but in this case we're adding the live in b/f). How those guys go to work daily, then come home knowing their g/f is getting her back blown out, or blowing someone's porker (hehe) is beyond me, but plenty of guys do it.

p.s.: this is good topic based on the choices you gave in the end........ up to recently I'd have said the money over the guy, but I know a few women that want the man (now that they've had the surgery, lol)

rvince
04-06-2007, 02:04 PM
A good friend of mine is a TS escort, and from talking with her it's totally obvious there's a big wall between her work and her private life.

After breaking up with her BF she's been with for 4yr or so she said me "I never escorted so much since then, but I really miss sex." :-)

While I don't think I could date an escort (GG or TS), some guys obviously can handle it if it's clear the chick is really considering it as "just a job".

hwbs
04-06-2007, 02:31 PM
its a very weird situation....the girls didn't work when I was around...im sure the money would always win , lmao...these days I settle with a couple friends that we have no commitment towards each other ...we care bout each other but have a no strings type relationship...its better being honest this way...that way both of our feelings are spared...its a much easier solution then trying to have a fake boyfriend/ girlfriend relationship...

LTR_Seeker
04-06-2007, 04:45 PM
I couldnt bein relationship with women who escorts no offense to them but im old fashioned in to having just me & her enjoying each other every second we can get.

Ecstatic
04-06-2007, 05:05 PM
Nautica, I can't speak from the escort's point of view, obviously, but from "the other side" as it were. It really comes down to the relationship dynamics of the couple involved, but whatever those dynamics are, I think honesty and commitment are paramount. Also, I do not equate sex and love (though the two together are the most potent).

In my case, I've been married for 26 years. She is the love of my life, the person with whom I am growing old (will be growing old--I'm not out to pasture yet, lol), the only person I cannot imagine not being in my life. We have an "open" marriage: when we wrote our wedding vows all those years ago, we deliberately left out the phrase "forsaking all others" as negative and artifically constricting.

Also, I have a pretty high sex drive, and my wife has almost none (the discrepancy would be enough to justify divorce, but there's no way I could ever even contemplate not having her in my life as my partner; I would be celibate if necessary, and I would not simply cheat on her). So I see a very select few escorts (who are also friends, though I do not expect "favors" from them) and a few friends with benefits, and our relationship is stronger than ever.

In the situation you describe, Nautica, I would be hypocritical to be bothered by the sex. What would concern (and does, to some degree, with friends who escort) are the dangers involved. One of my friends has been severely beaten by a john (twice that I know of), and that scares me. I would be concerned for the woman's safety and health (being careful and selective with one's clients goes a long ways here). But the sex would not bother me unless it posed a threat to our relationship, which would then indicate that the relationship is not what I thought it was.

tsmandy
04-06-2007, 09:16 PM
Well, it's a lot less complicated than it seems. I've been in a very serious relationship with the same woman the entire time I've been an escort. We have been in a committed open relationship with very few rules and boundaries other than safe sex limits.

When I first started providing, I was working with her, and it was just part of our lives. After a while she tired of the sex industry and moved on, I stayed. Instead of being upset about the guys/girls I hook up with, she gets turned on.

I think its actually harder on me than it is on her. Sometimes I think my career as an adult entertainer really takes a backburner to my life with her, and sometimes its almost overwhelming to be providing companionship services and then go home and have to stay in romance mode. Sometimes I just want to be alone, and have my body and my mind completely to myself. But...all in all, I think I'm pretty lucky, because my sweetie is amazing, not too mention really fun to work with (when I need another gal in a pinch).

Alternate answer: providing is easy on a relationship compared to non-monogamy.

http://tsmandy.escortwww.com/inside.php

Kriss
04-06-2007, 10:25 PM
p.s. I can detect a consumer driven cash cow a zillion miles away...
"YOU LOVE IT, YOU SLAGS":?
Your statement bemuses me. The term "CASH COW" applies to a PROVIDER of some sort who is EXPLOITED in the process of creating cash. A "CASH COW" is a RESOURCE, like a goldmine or even a celebrity, something that can be 'farmed' to provide regularly high 'yeilds'. For example David Beckham was Manchester United and then Madrid's "CASH COW", providing urn after urn of creamy T-shirt and calender sales. Your statement seems to refer to escorts, do you mean that she is a "CASH COW", providing for some kind of sinister, pimp figure, milking her overpriced udders dry of every last papery drop OR perhaps you mean that the girl is a COW who grazes on fields of CASH??? (possibly on some kind of 'SEX FARM'????) And who are the consumers? Is she "consumer driven" because the punters 'drive' her or call the shots OR perhaps you mean that she is "DRIVEN" by her own consumerism to create "CASH", possibly because she is a "COW"?:?
You appear to have entirely misinterpreted and misappropriated this term. It is probably unfamiliar to most americans and for you to use it in totally the wrong context will only further belittle your contribution.
YES , I AM REALLY PRINCIPAL SKINNER WITH A CARROT UP HIS ARSE!!!!!

Nautica
04-07-2007, 05:47 AM
That's an abundance of twists and turns to try and figure out, Kriss. Lol...


Does anyone know where I may find one of these cash cows? I would like to milk it.......um, I would like to milk it's udders and get trillions in cash.

Thanks for your help :.)

ottorocket
04-07-2007, 07:03 AM
p.s. I can detect a consumer driven cash cow a zillion miles away...
"YOU LOVE IT, YOU SLAGS":?
Your statement bemuses me. The term "CASH COW" applies to a PROVIDER of some sort who is EXPLOITED in the process of creating cash. A "CASH COW" is a RESOURCE, like a goldmine or even a celebrity, something that can be 'farmed' to provide regularly high 'yeilds'. For example David Beckham was Manchester United and then Madrid's "CASH COW", providing urn after urn of creamy T-shirt and calender sales. Your statement seems to refer to escorts, do you mean that she is a "CASH COW", providing for some kind of sinister, pimp figure, milking her overpriced udders dry of every last papery drop OR perhaps you mean that the girl is a COW who grazes on fields of CASH??? (possibly on some kind of 'SEX FARM'????) And who are the consumers? Is she "consumer driven" because the punters 'drive' her or call the shots OR perhaps you mean that she is "DRIVEN" by her own consumerism to create "CASH", possibly because she is a "COW"?:?
You appear to have entirely misinterpreted and misappropriated this term. It is probably unfamiliar to most americans and for you to use it in totally the wrong context will only further belittle your contribution.
YES , I AM REALLY PRINCIPAL SKINNER WITH A CARROT UP HIS ARSE!!!!!

ottorocket
04-07-2007, 07:04 AM
nothing gets by me...;P

Bluejay
04-07-2007, 10:28 AM
The key to having a successful relationship with someone who works in the sex industry from my experience is about having the strength of mind to seperate love and sex. Not an easy thing to do,however it is possible.

i've been in a very strong and happy relationship for over 6 years now with a well known TS,my girlfriend's work has no impact on our relationship -it's just a job.

I have a successful career in my own right and I'm very supportive of all her endeavours.

As time has gone on I have become more and more involved in the industry myself,this has added to our relationship.

Having made my own success,it gives me great pleasure being around like minded people like my girlfriend, what ever their choosen career.

Nautica
04-10-2007, 03:03 AM
Ewww...

I'm sorry. I just don't see it!!!!!!

You: Hi honey, I'm going to go shove my **** in this chick for some new golf clubs.

Me:Ok dear. It's cold out. Don't forget to pack......EVERYTHING you own!!!!!!!! Ta-ta.

I have to say some of you have some REALLYYY strong or, shall I say, interesting minds. I don't know what to say, I'm not the judge. I guess I'm programmed. The people of the world are programmed in many ways.

I dated this couple for a while and it was like he was forcing his woman into a 3some, but when she got into it and we started *accidentally*(hehe) leaving him out he was, beyond, not a happy camper.

Interesting takes on this.
Thanks for the responses,

Nautica

RangeHova
04-10-2007, 03:32 AM
When I first got around the scene, I said NEVER in a million years could i be serious with an escort. Once i got to know some girls who escorted and seen where they were when it came to the men thatthey make money with a large part of me changed.

I still have yet to have the serious relationship with an escort but I have dated a few and the relationships never formed to be more serious but the fact that they escorted never was the problem except for one girl.

With her, escorting combined with partying made her just unreliable. We'd make plans and then all of a sudden she'd be a no show for hours and only later would come with some empty weak escuse.

I could have dealt with it had I been given ample advance warning, especially if the money is major.

It is hard for me to judge because I used to dance and came real close to escorting myself while in college. If the options were as available to males then I'm sure a lot more of us would be selling dick.

Still, I think if the relationship became very serious, I would hope that we could get to a place financially to where the escorting was not needed.

liisawinkler
04-10-2007, 06:14 AM
i have great respect for couples who are in this kind of relationship and have even greater respect for a man who can handle this kind of relationship....this is a true test of character, honesty and of course love for both people within the relationship...

Realgirls4me
04-10-2007, 07:34 AM
Great topic, though I did initially have trouble disciphering
the topic heading. Hee-hee. :)

Maybe: Can an escort maintain a relationship with a significant other?


Carry on ... :)

Phat
04-10-2007, 08:16 AM
i have great respect for couples who are in this kind of relationship and have even greater respect for a man who can handle this kind of relationship....this is a true test of character, honesty and of course love for both people within the relationship...

not sure if it's a test of character as much as it's just a huge complication. I don't think I could handle it.

jeffbee
04-11-2007, 06:54 AM
People have all kinds of relationships. I know several people in open relationships, where both partners get around, but they are still in a relationship at the end of the day.
For escorts it might even be easier for some people, because you can count on your escorting partner to not to get personally involved with their clients. Same for porn stars, many are in significant relationships. In one video, GG porn star Belladonna said in one of her scenes that she wanted to make sure she enjoyed herself, because her husband only accepts her being with other people when the cameras are rolling.

It takes different strokes to move the world. I tried an open relationship once, and when my girl "cheated" on me, my friends were more pissed at me than I was at my girl. You need a lot of trust, and you have to be able to weed sex out of everything else. We all have hang-ups, for some people it's sex, for others it's putting your socks in the laundry, for others it's being informed when you've decided to see your buddies at the bar. Different strokes.

mikey_stl
04-11-2007, 08:00 AM
Ok,

This has been sitting in my brain for a while now and I want your input. Are some people serious when they say they have a significant other while they are escorting? I know I will NEVERRRR understand the seriousness that goes through people's heads that think this way, but I want your opinion, anyhow.

I see "working" girls with their "man" and I'm like wtf? How in the h-e-double hockey sticks can you share your body with someone else and then expect the other to be faithful. Fugg the no emotional connection kick and all of those other ways around it.

I guess this game/buisness is too much of a drug(addictive). If it came down to the significant other(lmfao x 2.2,000,000) or the money, which do you think would win?

Cast your votes, now!


P.S.

Don't waste your time trying to get me to understand this. I'm just looking for your opinion. If a man is mine and I'm his...that's that.


Smootches =^.^= :D

I wouldn't pass judgment on someone for being a working girl, but I don't think I could have a serious relationship with someone who was currently escorting. If she did so in the past, I could probably live with that.

There are a couple of things that would worry me:

1.) If my girlfriend was escorting, people would find out about it. You just can't keep that a secret, especially if you're advertising on eros, craigslist, backpage, etc. That would cause a lot of problems in the social circles I travel in -- and would likely have an adverse impact on my career, friendships, etc.

2.) Venereal disease. Many escorts don't use protection and even those that do are taking a risk, because protection isn't perfect, and if you're having hundreds of different partners in a year, then you're at risk.

3.) Sex life. I can't imagine that a girl that is having sex several times a day would be up for doing it in her off hours with me.

I knew an escort that I saw a few years ago who had a boyfriend. He didn't know she was an escort (and his family didn't even know she was a TS). Somebody saw her picture on the Internet, and showed it to his family -- and he ended the relationship.

mikey_stl
04-11-2007, 08:05 AM
Well, it's a lot less complicated than it seems. I've been in a very serious relationship with the same woman the entire time I've been an escort. We have been in a committed open relationship with very few rules and boundaries other than safe sex limits.

When I first started providing, I was working with her, and it was just part of our lives. After a while she tired of the sex industry and moved on, I stayed. Instead of being upset about the guys/girls I hook up with, she gets turned on.

I think its actually harder on me than it is on her. Sometimes I think my career as an adult entertainer really takes a backburner to my life with her, and sometimes its almost overwhelming to be providing companionship services and then go home and have to stay in romance mode. Sometimes I just want to be alone, and have my body and my mind completely to myself. But...all in all, I think I'm pretty lucky, because my sweetie is amazing, not too mention really fun to work with (when I need another gal in a pinch).

Alternate answer: providing is easy on a relationship compared to non-monogamy.

http://tsmandy.escortwww.com/inside.php

It seems like if two people are going to have a serious relationship, it helps if they're both in "the business." I've known a couple of GG porn actresses who either performed with their significant other or their significant other acted as their manager. However, for a "straight" person to have a relationship with an escort or porn actress, it presents problems.

MacShreach
04-12-2007, 01:47 AM
Alternate answer: providing is easy on a relationship compared to non-monogamy.


Perspicatious lady, you are. I'm sure that's true, if only because I have experimentally proved that accepting provision is much easier than non-monogamy!

I think-- having known a few escorts who had boyfriends-- that it is about the definition of roles. In fact I think the definition of roles is much more important generally to sex, love and life than most men (not so sure about women) realise. Anyway I know girls for whom family life and working life are just totally different things.

I think this fucks men's heads up because we have such a strong territorial impetus. However it only takes a couple of times talking to a girl after sex-- I mean a professional-- about what she did with her boyfriend at the weekend and how are my kids this week-- to realise that it is possible to deal with this and not be either guilt-ridden or schizophrenic.

FWIW in my experience escorts talk about their men in exactly the same way as other women.

Nautica
04-13-2007, 10:58 PM
However, for a "straight" person to have a relationship with an escort or porn actress, it presents problems.


Well. I don't know what 'straight' is defined as nowadays. All of my, ahem, 'clients' are straight. But, there's enough posts dealing with that straight/gay nonsense so we'll save it for those.

This poses a problem/possible problem/issues for ANY range/type/variety of relationship, in my opinion. Hell, just the other day a penguin was in an arguement with his girl because he found her cheating to buy some new Prada flippers. Ugh, as if! Lmfao... :roll:

tsmandy
04-14-2007, 07:19 AM
However, for a "straight" person to have a relationship with an escort or porn actress, it presents problems.

I could see that, though there are many straight people who are polyamorous, swingers, kinksters etc... and they seem to have found a good balance.

Personally, I've always been attracted to people of many different body types and queer as a three dollar bill. And folks in the queer community have historically been pretty supportive of their partners in the sex industry. Without my lovers support I probably would have had a complete mental breakdown a long time ago, and who knows where that would have taken me.

Safe sex is definitely a big issue for me. The pressure to do things that violate my agreements with my partner are enormous. So I've learned to stick up for myself, if for no other reason than I would be an asshole if I passed something on to my sweetie.

http://mandytgirl.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mandytgirl

Nautica
06-09-2007, 06:54 AM
Omg,

This was still going...Uhhh...

Nooksack
06-09-2007, 06:55 AM
I know that I couldn't do it, simply because I'm a selfish person and I want MY girl to be just that... MINE.

mph
06-09-2007, 07:01 AM
For me, I think it would depend on how committed to each other we were. If it was an open relationship, and there was a level of trust and understanding between us, I could look past it.

On the other hand, if it's with someone that I want to spend the rest of my life with, then no. I could not handle such a thing. Either her escorting or our relationship would end.

Of course, either way, if she kept it a secret from me, all deals are off.

http://img116.exs.cx/img116/934/z0tdntknw.gif

Nautica
06-26-2007, 02:57 AM
I know that I couldn't do it, simply because I'm a selfish person and I want MY girl to be just that... MINE.

That doesn't make you selfish. That's TOTALLY understandable!

:)

Steve-Russell
06-27-2007, 09:33 AM
The key is maturity and honesty on both sides of the relationship, if you have it, escorting can be treated like any other job.

Look at it this way, we all have to work to afford the things we want in life. To do that, we have to do things we would not normally do given a choice, we have to work with people we would not wish to spend our personal time with given a choice but that is the price we all pay to live the lifestyle we want to live rather then just exist.

Take Care

Steve

TsVanessa69
06-27-2007, 09:37 AM
I had a boyfriend when I started escorting, it did put a strain on the relationship.

NYTSJulie
06-27-2007, 10:56 AM
Interesting thread,

Well I escort and have had several boy friends over the years. I will name a few and how my escorting played a role.

One was a very straight acting bisexual who also was a male escort/hustler. I met him through a mutual friend. He didnt know my "T' but him being a bisexual it wasn't an issue when he found out. I didnt have to hide my escorting because he was doing the same thing, we even did live sex shows for some of my clients, lol. I was with him for 4 years, and we remain VERY CLOSE friends.

One was a US Marine and he didnt know my "T" either when we first met, he eventually found out the "T" but that is another story. I hid my escorting from him entirely. At the time I living in the MidWest and was running an escort agency. I also saw my own clients on the side. He thought I was getting my entire income from what I made off the girls. I was with him for 1 year, and he still does not know that I was escorting while we were dating. He is engaged and we still talk on occasion.

Another was this very hot mulatto male model. He was 6'4 with a body like a Greek God, lol. I was with him for 9 month. I was still running the escort agency and played the same game with him, he thought I was getting my entire income from what I made off the girls. He eventually found out. A GG friend of mine who had the hots for him let him in on my little secret. She told him in efforts to try and break us up. The whole thing turned into a mess and he fucked her to get back at me, lol. He wanted to try and work things out with me but I got rid of him and dropped her as a friend.

I could go on and on about all different dating experiences.......lol. Over the years I have dated A LOT. Over all I have tried to hide my escorting. When I had my agency I acted as if that was where I was getting my entire income. Now I have a regular job and escort on the side. I am also not upfront about being a transsexual. Now that I am a little older and have very little time, I date very casually and am not looking for a serious relationship, been there dont that many times. I date like its a sport, lol. A few dates with a guy then I get bored.

NYTSJulie
06-27-2007, 11:15 AM
Also I am sure every escort or stripper has seen the player types. The ones who think they have more game then us. They try to work their magic and think we will get sprung on them and hand them over our cash or support them.

I say LOL to that.

NYTSJulie
06-27-2007, 11:37 AM
Just a note......I will never date a guy who has been with or dated a tranny before.

mbf
06-27-2007, 01:37 PM
ok, i dont have a lot of experience with this topic but i have SOME:

here is my story:

i am in my late 20ies, getting 30 soon. the whole thing happened three-two years ago. i made contact with a local tgirl online, then i dated her. we became a couple. she was roughly the same age, maybe a bit younger than i was (somewhere around 25). ok, she told me she had a job. and the time with her was nice without a doubt.

feel free to call me an asshole but i did a bit of research. i simply thought "welll....shes a ts, and you know what they sayin...ts work as escorts often.....". well, i found out she did as well. i was a bit disappointed but somehow i expected it. (NOTE: escorting or hobbyist-whoring and/or swinging seems so common nowadays, its really no big difference be it a tgirl or natural born woman-gf, theres always good chance of meeting one making some extra cash. this is in no ment to throw stones at people who escort)

i confronted her with my findings - telling her its ok, she can tell me and well try to sort that situation out - but she went in full denial, making up really dumb stories of jealous girls out there envious of her and thus setting up ads in newspapers to give her a bad name etc.

to cut a long story short, i finally broke up the relationship. i am not an open-relationship guy. it might be jealousy of some kind. or, i think that suits my opinion there better, if i am in a relationship i never have cheated, nor will i ever. i cant have that.

still, i felt kinda guilty. escorts are human beeings and wanna be loved like 99.9% of us people. but in the end i couldtn cope with the situation and had to leave.

Jericho
06-27-2007, 03:41 PM
The key is maturity and honesty on both sides of the relationship, if you have it, escorting can be treated like any other job.


I've never been in that situation, but, i think you've hit the nail on the head.

If she was lying about it...Door's that way, don't let it hit you in the arse on the way out!

62des
06-27-2007, 03:52 PM
Escuse me for saying this but any guys that would put up with that is a BIG PUSSY and probably couldn't get any other mate. I know they must feel really worthless or REALLY SMART. Maybe they're having little affairs of their own and not telling anyone.

Jericho
06-27-2007, 04:24 PM
Escuse me for saying this but any guys that would put up with that is a BIG PUSSY and probably couldn't get any other mate. I know they must feel really worthless or REALLY SMART. Maybe they're having little affairs of their own and not telling anyone.

You da man! :roll:

Nautica
06-27-2007, 10:45 PM
[quote="62des"] BIG PUSSY


They come in sizes now? J/K

Interesting... This subject has gotten more interesting.
I am still trying to figure out if the comments I'm reading involve love?

This $hit gets twisted. I'll admit I've had feelings for a client or so and think I may have........uhhhhhhhhh.......I've typed too much, already... :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :banghead :violin

lahabra1976
06-28-2007, 12:05 AM
Yea i dont know, but I dated a tgirl who was escorting many years ago and for some reason never bothered me. It was just like any other relationship really. But my case is proablay more of an exception than the rule, I can totally understand why some men would get pissed off over this. Probably depends partly on how jealous the man is. I mean a lot of men just get jealous if their women talks to another man let alone fucking one.

But I really dont think women who escort are in it any other reason than just to earn money. I mean if they really wanted sex, it wouldn't be that hard for them to just get it from some guy around the corner. So escorting is just another job really. Although it is perhaps profitable to make men believe that it is more than that ;).

Nautica
06-28-2007, 10:35 AM
Just a note......I will never date a guy who has been with or dated a tranny before.

That's hot! You're SOOOO "Real"...101% :!:

ETA:Looks wise was what I was referring to!!!!!...and otherwise....not that it needs to be mentioned, but... :D

hwbs
06-28-2007, 02:05 PM
never date a bad liar , hehe....just kidding :twisted:

BlackAdder
06-28-2007, 04:25 PM
Never say never, lol