history of t girl scene in Brazil

[templek]

just wanted to know how did the t girl scene in Brazil start? I know in Thailand the 'third sex' was always part of the culture and history. But in Brazil following the portuguese conquest and migratiions of various different cultures and people, when did it start? Was it a post war thing? Or came out of the carnival masqurerade thing which is part of Brazil culture? Did the brazil plastic surgery trade owe a lot to the t girl or carnival scene, which help to kick start it?

Just wondered

[praetor]

I really dont know how its starts in Brazil, many theories are made, but none find the answer for our questions. The answer,may be the water. Sorry for this joke, but the matter of fact is, mystery.

[DJ_Asia]

I once asked one of my Brasilian photographer friends the same question and he pretty much said the same thing...he didnt know when the phenomenon began nor why,just that since he was old enough to remember the trannys were always there working the same streets for decades.

[cam22001]

VERY VERY interesting question. It's probably a combination of factors like, being sexually free, plenty of hormones available and the society plus other things .... I had the same question with a different angle. It was: Why are Brazil's trannies, in average, so damn superior to every other country in the whole world when neither their men or women are superior to others though they aren't inferior either! I was told it's the early hormones but it doesn't make sense because if it was mainly the early hormones they would not have ALSO the greatest erections and ejaculations!!! It would only explain their softness, etc. Any thoughtful comments?

[whatsupwithat]

It's been part of the world since ancient times. If anything, it's always been there. And here. And everywhere. In many cultures the transgendered were considered shamans, the wise ones to go to for guidance.

[a994]

VERY VERY interesting question. It's probably a combination of factors like, being sexually free, plenty of hormones available and the society plus other things .... I had the same question with a different angle. It was: Why are Brazil's trannies, in average, so damn superior to every other country in the whole world when neither their men or women are superior to others though they aren't inferior either! I was told it's the early hormones but it doesn't make sense because if it was mainly the early hormones they would not have ALSO the greatest erections and ejaculations!!! It would only explain their softness, etc. Any thoughtful comments?

IT'S A PLOT BY THE CIA!! :lol:

Actually I have no idea myself. I've also wondered how it is that Brazilian t-ladies (and t-ladies around the world increasingly) can take estrogen to become so wonderfully feminine and yet be just as functional as most men. (Not that I'm complaining, of course.)

[whatsupwithat]

VERY VERY interesting question. It's probably a combination of factors like, being sexually free, plenty of hormones available and the society plus other things .... I had the same question with a different angle. It was: Why are Brazil's trannies, in average, so damn superior to every other country in the whole world when neither their men or women are superior to others though they aren't inferior either! I was told it's the early hormones but it doesn't make sense because if it was mainly the early hormones they would not have ALSO the greatest erections and ejaculations!!! It would only explain their softness, etc. Any thoughtful comments?

IT'S A PLOT BY THE CIA!! :lol:

Actually I have no idea myself. I've also wondered how it is that Brazilian t-ladies (and t-ladies around the world increasingly) can take estrogen to become so wonderfully feminine and yet be just as functional as most men. (Not that I'm complaining, of course.)

Three words. Cialis. Viagra. Levitra.

[a994]

Three words. Cialis. Viagra. Levitra.




Where would we be without them?

[Jericho]

Three words. Cialis. Viagra. Levitra.

Latin for "I've got wood!" :P

[MacShreach]

Why are Brazil's trannies, in average, so damn superior to every other country in the whole world when neither their men or women are superior to others though they aren't inferior either!

It is the early hormones. Dany Evangelista is on record as saying she started at age 9 (yes 9, not 19) and I know of others who say they started around that age. I believe it's very common. The key would appear to be that they began hormones before or around the time they hit puberty. The body is really receptive to hormonal input at that stage. While the hormone regime was probably self-prescribed and haphazard, it had a huge effect because of their age.

[MacShreach]

Of course the other thing is, if you only know the bonecas from the web or movies your sample is skewed.

The most recent figures I saw estimated 8,000 to 10,000 travestis in SP alone. Most people are familiar with pictures of well under a hundred of them.

I think it's fair to say the ones that appear here regularly are the best looking!

[MacShreach]

just wanted to know how did the t girl scene in Brazil start?

I think it's a long-standing part of Latin culture. For evidence I present Michalangelo's "Dawn" from the tomb of Lorenzo di Medici, completed in 1531.

If those ain't a set of bolt-ons I don't know what are.

Also note her size in comparison to her male consort, "Dusk"--now that is one big girl......

Nice tuck, though.

8) 8) 8)

[Bee]

I think it's a long-standing part of Latin culture. For evidence I present Michalangelo's "Dawn" from the tomb of Lorenzo di Medici, completed in 1531. If those ain't a set of bolt-ons I don't know what are. Also note her size in comparison to her male consort, "Dusk"--now that is one big girl......Nice tuck, though.

Interesting.... :!:

[Looking 4 Now]

Percentage wise are there more
trannies in Brazil than any other country
It sure seems that way

[MacShreach]

Percentage wise are there more
trannies in Brazil than any other country
It sure seems that way

There are real difficulties getting accurate, or even, to be honest about it, genuinely plausible stats on this issue. Lynn Conway quotes a figure of 1 MtF TS who has actually undergone GRS per 2,500 population in the States and proposes that on this basis 1:500 people in the States are in some way MtF TS, either post-op, non-op or pre-op but including CD's and those with "TS feelings.". She notes that this contrasts sharply with "official" estimates of 1:30,000 in the US. Here's her take, as I don't want to traduce her and her work deserves reading.

http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TS/TSprevalence.html

The survey of TS in SP I referred to was done by an NGO and if accurate suggests about 1:1000. I have the reference somewhere, I'll try to find time to dig it out over the weekend.

I think in SP the prevalence could be even higher as there is a strong financial impetus to become T there.

We may never know what the exact prevalence of transgenderism is because of the deeply sensitive nature of this subject and the taboos placed on it by society in general, though it should be possible to get a reasonably accurate picture from the numbers undergoing GRS as Lynn did.

However we can be certain that transgenderism is widespread and exists in all parts of society, across the globe. In societies where transgenderism is more widely accepted, such as in Thailand and India, but elsewhere also, there is clear evidence that it has existed for a very long time indeed. Therefore it is reasonable to propose that it has always existed in human society and is nothing new at all.

Fascinatingly, there is also, clearly, a significant number of men--who again must exist across all societies and social groups--who are strongly attracted to TS women. As far as I know no credible, widescale research at all has ever been done on this phenomenon, but again we can be quite certain, and can back this up by reference to societies where transgenderism is more open, that this group of men has always existed. It is probably much larger than we suspect as well.

Ain't nothing new under the sun; time, therefore, that we all got used to it.

[roy404]

There was a documentry a few years ago that address this question. From that and my own studies here is what I discovered.
It all started many years ago when a male child showed ANY type of female trait-manner or looks-they were passed off to the oldest one of their kind in the village.
Over the years with hormone dosage starting in some girls as early as 10 the development has progressed over the years. I am a collector of the Scala Gay Video's- a carnaval ball for TS/Gays-and have them as far back as 88.
In 88 you see a usage of hormones and over the years you see the changes in the amount of surgeries the girls have. There is one girl that I was able to recognize her for 6 years and the changes were major.
Another reason for the surgical procedures is that Brazil has more Plastic Surgeons per capity than anywhere. These Dr. use the girls to practice on in all type of manners. If you notice most of the new girls with facial work have almost identical noses.
Brazil is a poor country and the amount the girls can make there and in Europe is more than all their family added together.

[soulRipp]

man gay people been around since the roman, so it might been arond that time