My dilemma on dating a t-girl.

[arnie666]

Huzzah :D apost from me that isn't spam or about 'Irish car bombs'

I was in the Pub saturday night with my oppos and there was a seriously fit girl standing on her todd by the bar. We weretalking about how fit she was and one of the bloke says 'say you were feeling her up in your car and you grabbed a sausage and bollocks would you still do her?'

Well the whole lot of them gave various ideas on what to do to her the kindest being to drag her out the car and drive off :? .I kept stum as you will see why in a minute... I did say 'well it's not worth the bother with the Police if you do anything I would just leave it ' . And the bloke who introduced the topic explained that trannys are predators preying on young blokes in clubs and all that (rubbish I thought).And he then told me some story (dunno if it's kosher) about a Tranny in cyprus picking up drunk guys and having her way and leaving them on the side of the road.I asked where he had heard it and he said a Policeman told him (so it must be true lol.)

A lot of nasty stuff was said about t-gurls and it puts me in a position as I would like to date a T-girl if I found a nice one .But if I did so I would have to keep it quiet and she would have to be totally passble. Plus even if I didn't tell them these things have a habit of coming out and I know what they think of men who deliberately go with T-girls. You all may say why be m8's with them if they think and act like that. Thing is I work with them and they are as close as family to me. And to be honest my Brothers Student friends as pretty homophobic too. So it not just centered around them.

I have dated a number of GGirls but I admit I like the idea of a female with a cock because of the dom aspect although I do prefer to top. You might say well get a GG to put on a strap on now and again but I have seen some terrifc sexy t-girls Plus they tend to be little taller (the ones I have met anyways)And I like tall girls (I'm 6ft 2).I have met these secretly as escorts but also on this site there are two who I think are rather fit (kelly shaw ) and esp spunkchops m8 viki Richter. :P :P Rather feisty too which is a bonus.

So It's a damn shame but I probably will end up with another GG which is a shame because I would like to explore a little.In a different environment maybe but where I live the last gay and transgendered bar got petrol bombed . Theres a new one been built but I really can't take the risk .I just think it's a huge shame that people can't accept others even today . And people still have attitudes like these. I mean I know t-girls go through a lot themselves do they really need it from other people as well? Where is it on the grand scheme of things if a girl is a little different ... okay the cyprus one if true is not on but you get bad apples everywhere or alternatively if a bloke likes girls with dicks?

:D My rants over now thanks for listening ...

[suckseed]

Rule one for any of us men - especially those who are here - would be to be indignant about anyone advocating violence. If you remain silent, you give tacit approval. Bullies should be catapulted out to sea to cheering thongs.

If I do become a teacher, one of the things I most anticipate instilling in the kids is never to pick on someone because they are different or weaker than them. When I think back about some of the poor kids that were mercilessly taunted for being odd...it makes me ashamed I didn't help even if I didn't take part.

[peggygee]

Well there definetely is a consistent theme to your posts,
something is going to get blown up. http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/arg-bomb.gif

But, as to the topic of your post, it's a matter of having the courage
of your convictions.
:shrug

[arnie666]

Rule one for any of us men - especially those who are here - would be to be indignant about anyone advocating violence. If you remain silent, you give tacit approval. Bullies should be catapulted out to sea to cheering thongs.

If I do become a teacher, one of the things I most anticipate instilling in the kids is never to pick on someone because they are different or weaker than them. When I think back about some of the poor kids that were mercilessly taunted for being odd...it makes me ashamed I didn't help even if I didn't take part.

If you keep that attiude when teaching you will be a good'un. A friend of mine got badly bullied in sixth form college and in the end I had a word with the bully when they smashed up all his cd's and he only listened because I was in the football team with him. The lecturers did nothing even when he was getting pushed around in class.I think they thought this group of lads would turn on them.

Thing is there was nothing unusual about him I think they picked on him because he was quiet.

[a994]

And the bloke who introduced the topic explained that trannys are predators preying on young blokes in clubs and all that (rubbish I thought).And he then told me some story (dunno if it's kosher) about a Tranny in cyprus picking up drunk guys and having her way and leaving them on the side of the road.




Don't we wish that t-ladies were so predatory?
(Now buying airline tickets and making hotel reservations for Cyprus :lol: )

Just when I think that most people cannot possibly be that ignorant...

[Realgirls4me]

I was picked on a lot throughout my K through 12 school years, from everything from not knowing English in the formative years, to wearing the same clothes everyday, or for being too thin (I never attended gym class while in high school due to all the taunting I received daily), but -- BUT -- if I did have a "Wayback" machine and could go back to revisit some of those years, I'd go back not so much to confront those who treated me badly, but to help and befriend those who were treated far worse than I was --- far worse! I remember certain ostrasized(sp?) kids being labeled nerdish or weak, and always being in tears everytime I saw them. They went from class to class in tears. ...I can only hope their adult years are treating them a lot better today.

[THATSMISSJUNECUZYANASTY]

Rule one for any of us men - especially those who are here - would be to be indignant about anyone advocating violence. If you remain silent, you give tacit approval. Bullies should be catapulted out to sea to cheering thongs.


THANK YOU SUCKSEED! :claps I have heard this issue from guys who claim they would date a trans woman if they could "get away with it" and it just REALLY ANGERS ME!! :evil: :evil:
I had called off an engagement because of this same ignorant behavior... and what infuriated me was that- my ex blamed everyone else's thinking and not his own insecurities! :roll: Sorry if I sound harsh... but weak minded men are a turn off... not accepting who you are attracted to and taking the "easy way out" by not standing up to people who spout ignorance about transwomen or any other people who they may not "understand" is just not tolerated by me. By people keeping quiet about what they really feel... the people who believe in harming others because they are different will feel justified for doing so. Silence=Ignorance=Violence and sometimes Death.
I dont mean to sound like a public service announcement, but if being strong, speaking up, and being an individual in this world were easy... then I feel like life would be something different all together!!!
~MiSs JuNe~

[posty]

...I remember certain ostrasized(sp?) kids being labeled nerdish or weak, and always being in tears everytime I saw them. They went from class to class in tears...

You didn't happen to go to school in Oswald State Penetentiary or something?

[medmanus]

This is a tough one. I can only explain what I know from my experience of 'coming out'.

I met a young Latina TS about six years ago at Edelweiss. I had had a couple of TS experiences, but all were one night (or one hour) stands. We talked the night away, no mention of P4P, just great conversation. At the end of the night she asked if I would help her hail a taxi. I then offered to drive her home. We stopped, got coffee and sat in the park near her house talking until well after the sun came up. We exchanged numbers, kissed good night, made dinner plans for two nights later, etc.

The next night, I was with my close knit friends and told them about my night. My friend Barb (who already knew I had an interest in TS) was very happy, another close friend just said 'I've always been interested, too. Can you take me to one of the clubs? I have no idea where they are ad would really be nervous'. The one that killed me was the friend who had a ton of TS porn (secretly) who freaked out out and chastised me.

My friends met her, and all truly liked her (she is still friends with the first two described to this day). At first I agonized about taking her out in public, but she was (and is) totally passable, so I got over that very quickly.

What really got me was about six months in, she kept asking to meet my family, and they kept asking to meet her.......had no clue what to do. I was not going to leave her, I was absolutely in love with her, but how do I pull this off?

As I said, she was completely passable, so I bit the bullet and brought her to a party at my mother's, jacuzzi and all. No one knew. I started bringing her to all my regular functions.......no one knew. After a year in, I stopped caring if anyone knew, I loved her far too much.

Then suddenly everyone knew. My mother, my sister, my cousins, everyone (wanna guess which of my friends called my sister and told her????? The one with the TS porn, naturally). I found this out by my mother calling me and asking me to come over. We sat having coffee and she simply said (and you are talking about a 60 yo conservative Italian woman, here) 'Is X a boy?'. I said yes, and she just said 'Wow, I never would have guessed, and just so you know, seeing you this happy makes me very supportive of it.'

Exactly one other family member or friend ever treated her differently, expressed a negative opinion or even made mention of it for the following two years we were together.

Basically, do your thing. If people care about you, you are going to be very surprised at how they react.

--Peace

[Aragon21]

And the bloke who introduced the topic explained that trannys are predators preying on young blokes in clubs and all that (rubbish I thought).And he then told me some story (dunno if it's kosher) about a Tranny in cyprus picking up drunk guys and having her way and leaving them on the side of the road.I asked where he had heard it and he said a Policeman told him (so it must be true lol.)

A lot of nasty stuff was said about t-gurls and it puts me in a position as I would like to date a T-girl if I found a nice one .But if I did so I would have to keep it quiet and she would have to be totally passble. Plus even if I didn't tell them these things have a habit of coming out and I know what they think of men who deliberately go with T-girls.
...
I have dated a number of GGirls but I admit I like the idea of a female with a cock
...
So It's a damn shame but I probably will end up with another GG which is a shame because I would like to explore a little.In a different environment maybe but where I live the last gay and transgendered bar got petrol bombed.

Not everyone has the strength to be the example to others. You seem ready and hesitant at the same time. You seem to have the right idea, but also afraid to be ostracized by your friends.

No offense, but do you want to find love within your circle of friends...well your post suggest that is not your type nor your limitation (in terms of only seeking their approval).

You don't appear to hold their prejudices so don't allow yourself to be influenced by them. 8)

I'm not saying seek a TS out, just don't deny the possibility of a relationship if it happens. Let's be serious for a second...all of us have heard about the escort that took a kidney. You think some of your friends haven't ignored that myth in pursuing sex? Don't let their myths prevent you from pusuing your own happiness, trust me they haven't done the same with GGs!

Again, don't unrealistically pursue someone, just don't deny a connection if it exists. In the end, you have to be happy for yourself and not seeking approval from others! :wink:

[mikey_stl]

Huzzah :D apost from me that isn't spam or about 'Irish car bombs'

I was in the Pub saturday night with my oppos and there was a seriously fit girl standing on her todd by the bar. We weretalking about how fit she was and one of the bloke says 'say you were feeling her up in your car and you grabbed a sausage and bollocks would you still do her?'

Well the whole lot of them gave various ideas on what to do to her the kindest being to drag her out the car and drive off :? .I kept stum as you will see why in a minute... I did say 'well it's not worth the bother with the Police if you do anything I would just leave it ' . And the bloke who introduced the topic explained that trannys are predators preying on young blokes in clubs and all that (rubbish I thought).And he then told me some story (dunno if it's kosher) about a Tranny in cyprus picking up drunk guys and having her way and leaving them on the side of the road.I asked where he had heard it and he said a Policeman told him (so it must be true lol.)

A lot of nasty stuff was said about t-gurls and it puts me in a position as I would like to date a T-girl if I found a nice one .But if I did so I would have to keep it quiet and she would have to be totally passble. Plus even if I didn't tell them these things have a habit of coming out and I know what they think of men who deliberately go with T-girls. You all may say why be m8's with them if they think and act like that. Thing is I work with them and they are as close as family to me. And to be honest my Brothers Student friends as pretty homophobic too. So it not just centered around them.

I have dated a number of GGirls but I admit I like the idea of a female with a cock because of the dom aspect although I do prefer to top. You might say well get a GG to put on a strap on now and again but I have seen some terrifc sexy t-girls Plus they tend to be little taller (the ones I have met anyways)And I like tall girls (I'm 6ft 2).I have met these secretly as escorts but also on this site there are two who I think are rather fit (kelly shaw ) and esp spunkchops m8 viki Richter. :P :P Rather feisty too which is a bonus.

So It's a damn shame but I probably will end up with another GG which is a shame because I would like to explore a little.In a different environment maybe but where I live the last gay and transgendered bar got petrol bombed . Theres a new one been built but I really can't take the risk .I just think it's a huge shame that people can't accept others even today . And people still have attitudes like these. I mean I know t-girls go through a lot themselves do they really need it from other people as well? Where is it on the grand scheme of things if a girl is a little different ... okay the cyprus one if true is not on but you get bad apples everywhere or alternatively if a bloke likes girls with dicks?

:D My rants over now thanks for listening ...

I struggle with such issues, as well. I'm sure a lot of men do. There are no easy answers.

[Realgirls4me]

THANK YOU SUCKSEED! :claps I have heard this issue from guys who claim they would date a trans woman if they could "get away with it" and it just REALLY ANGERS ME!! :evil: :evil:
I had called off an engagement because of this same ignorant behavior... and what infuriated me was that- my ex blamed everyone else's thinking and not his own insecurities! :roll: Sorry if I sound harsh... but weak minded men are a turn off... not accepting who you are attracted to and taking the "easy way out" by not standing up to people who spout ignorance about transwomen or any other people who they may not "understand" is just not tolerated by me. By people keeping quiet about what they really feel... the people who believe in harming others because they are different will feel justified for doing so. Silence=Ignorance=Violence and sometimes Death.
I dont mean to sound like a public service announcement, but if being strong, speaking up, and being an individual in this world were easy... then I feel like life would be something different all together!!!
~MiSs JuNe~

I think you are lumping two different things together here by assuming that anyone who has to stay in the closet, for whatever his/her personal reasons might be, will somehow also ignore or condone violence against a transsexual or gay person. Too many shades of gray at play there. Although I'm sure the scenario you are describing happens far more than we'd all like to see, the two (staying in the closet and violence) are mutually exclusive as far as I can see.






You didn't happen to go to school in Oswald State Penetentiary or something?

Huh?

[posty]

You didn't happen to go to school in Oswald State Penetentiary or something?

Huh?

Well, there is this show on HBO called Oz. It's set in prison, namely, Oswald State Penetentiary (thus the name Oz). As one could imagine bad things happen to the people in this prison. I was picturing the environment that would cause a kid (presumably high school, since there was such a thing as "between classes") to be crying everytime you saw him and just walking around crying in between classes. Thought process went a little something like this...

"Wow that must have been a seriously rough school," I said to myself
"I know," I said
"Makes me think of that show on Oz," I said
"I know," I said

A little bonus Vonnegut for the fans out there.

[Realgirls4me]

You didn't happen to go to school in Oswald State Penetentiary or something?

Huh?

Well, there is this show on HBO called Oz. It's set in prison, namely, Oswald State Penetentiary (thus the name Oz). As one could imagine bad things happen to the people in this prison. I was picturing the environment that would cause a kid (presumably high school, since there was such a thing as "between classes") to be crying everytime you saw him and just walking around crying in between classes. Thought process went a little something like this...

"Wow that must have been a seriously rough school," I said to myself
"I know," I said
"Makes me think of that show on Oz," I said
"I know," I said

A little bonus Vonnegut for the fans out there.

Gotcha. I don't get HBO if it isn't obvious by now. Most of those images are from junior high, and not so much high school by the way. Though I didn't know them personally, I still remember two of those kids complete names simply because of how much other kids picked on them. They were basically two of the school's resident punching bags. ...I really hope they are doing well today. Jeesus kids can be cruel.

[a994]

The one that killed me was the friend who had a ton of TS porn (secretly) who freaked out out and chastised me.




Isn't that always the case?

[mikejones]

Awesome post medmanus. Thanks.

[Vicki Richter]

The one time I was visiting London, and I would pick up guys from this one pub. The funny thing was, I wouldn't tell them anything. They were usually sailors and other military types. Well I would give them the date rape drug, get them in the car, have my way with them - using them for my pleasure, and then drop them off on the side of the road with their pants down. I did this for two weeks during my stay there. I think the police were on to me because the last guy I did it to had a badge.

Vicki

[THATSMISSJUNECUZYANASTY]

[quote=THATSMISSJUNECUZYANASTY]
THANK YOU SUCKSEED! :claps I have heard this issue from guys who claim they would date a trans woman if they could "get away with it" and it just REALLY ANGERS ME!! :evil: :evil:
I had called off an engagement because of this same ignorant behavior... and what infuriated me was that- my ex blamed everyone else's thinking and not his own insecurities! :roll: Sorry if I sound harsh... but weak minded men are a turn off... not accepting who you are attracted to and taking the "easy way out" by not standing up to people who spout ignorance about transwomen or any other people who they may not "understand" is just not tolerated by me. By people keeping quiet about what they really feel... the people who believe in harming others because they are different will feel justified for doing so. Silence=Ignorance=Violence and sometimes Death.
I dont mean to sound like a public service announcement, but if being strong, speaking up, and being an individual in this world were easy... then I feel like life would be something different all together!!!
~MiSs JuNe~

I think you are lumping two different things together here by assuming that anyone who has to stay in the closet, for whatever his/her personal reasons might be, will somehow also ignore or condone violence against a transsexual or gay person. Too many shades of gray at play there. Although I'm sure the scenario you are describing happens far more than we'd all like to see, the two (staying in the closet and violence) are mutually exclusive as far as I can see.

Actually... i think you might want to think about what i had previously said. What I said was....

By people keeping quiet about what they really feel...the people who believe in harming others because they are different will feel justified for doing so.
Nowhere in there did I say that a person who keeps quiet may in a violent incident necessarily ignore what is taking place to another person and look the other way... HOWEVER the original poster of this topic (if you actually read what he said) clearly stated how he idly listened while his "buddies" did indeed talk about what they WOULD physically do to transwomen had they found out they were trans. To summarize my entire statement... I encouraged the poster to STAND up to people who spout violence instead of fearing what their response to him would be. I DID NOT elude to the possibility that the poster might ignore a situation were someone is actually IN danger... however his ignoring people's thoughts about POSSIBLY committing some violent acts against anyone they may not "understand" is just wrong, period. The ideas must be stopped before they are potentially acted out. This can only be done through education and being brave enough to say something. Realgirls4me...I think you should probably read the statements that people write and really THINK about them before commenting next time.
~MiSs JuNe~

[tsmandy]

The equation is simple: the chickenshit does not get the worm, the early bird does, hopefully a big hard one too.

[Taom]

The one time I was visiting London, and I would pick up guys from this one pub. The funny thing was, I wouldn't tell them anything. They were usually sailors and other military types. Well I would give them the date rape drug, get them in the car, have my way with them - using them for my pleasure, and then drop them off on the side of the road with their pants down. I did this for two weeks during my stay there. I think the police were on to me because the last guy I did it to had a badge.

Vicki

lmfao...... gotta love vicki's humor