A philosophical question.

[hog0104]

Hi everyone
I haven't posted on this forum before. Been lurking a while though. I love this forum - it has a great mix of insights and thoughts, good pics too. And I like the fact that real Ts provide insights and comments (apart from posting great photos).
I'm sitting here after a few red wines, mulling over life!
All my friends are straight, and think that I am too. But I am interested in Trannies, though I have never met one - go figure.
To me it seems a world away from my reality, but I am interested anyway.
Are there any Ts out there who are interested in the usual things - a meal, conversation, relationship etc, or are you all interested in sex/money/progress only? Is it possible for a normal relationship to occur between a guy and a Ts, or is the need for ongoing progress towards being a female the most important driver?
From what I have read on here it would seem that a decent living can only be made from escorting (generally) due to prejudices, and there doesn't seem to be much interest in really forming a lasting relationship (maybe from necessity)? Perhaps this is just due to the mindset of most of the males that chase Ts? Or maybe, as one Ts has stated - long term isn't possible because most guys can't really handle the Ts thing when its out in public? Any comments?
I am in a philosphical frame of mind - sorry!!

[SarahG]

I really don't take money into consideration when it comes to relationships... even if it means being with a guy who can't work.

That being said, I don't think that girls have to escort to make money- some are able to get other types of employment, but its definitely not easy for either (I am not an escort but I grew up around/in an escort service and it is not what I would consider an easy field to work in). I think alot of people mistakenly assume that its really easy to work in that type of a field when that just isn't the case.

Now, with other types of employment, I guess a big influence is what type of field it is in, how good you are, how cheap you're willing to work for, and (dare I say this...) how good you look. Alot of jobs in the service industries are fairly tolerant (in the sense that they'll hire you if you're good at whatever the task is) granted if people know expect your coworkers to be a bit... vocal about your situation. I know auto mechanics in dealerships making 60k a year so not everything in those fields are min wage type positions.

[peggygee]

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[Luna555]

i believe it is possible to be in a relationship. I would like to experience one that is "normal". I have yet to meet a "normal" guy that would like to have a relationship with me since the whole T thing. But im hopeful. Sigh..... Most guys ive been with have onlly wanted me because of what was inbetween my legs and i didnt feel emotionally and mentally well in the relationship so ive had to end a couple of relationships because of that.

[whatsupwithat]

i believe it is possible to be in a relationship. I would like to experience one that is "normal". I have yet to meet a "normal" guy that would like to have a relationship with me since the whole T thing. But im hopeful. Sigh..... Most guys ive been with have onlly wanted me because of what was inbetween my legs and i didnt feel emotionally and mentally well in the relationship so ive had to end a couple of relationships because of that.

Therein lies the problem. To some men who like transgendered women, they are sexual objects. To others, it is their sexuality. I fall in the latter camp. It's the same as if I was in a relationship with a women. I would like and desire what was between her legs. That would define my sexuality and would lead me to want to have sex with her. But, the key word is relationship. In order to haave a relationship, there has to be more than a desire for what's between someone's legs. Sure, it's a part of it, but it's not even close to the whole enchilada.

[whatsupwithat]

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Use the search function,those topics were dicussed before.

[Luna555]

i believe it is possible to be in a relationship. I would like to experience one that is "normal". I have yet to meet a "normal" guy that would like to have a relationship with me since the whole T thing. But im hopeful. Sigh..... Most guys ive been with have onlly wanted me because of what was inbetween my legs and i didnt feel emotionally and mentally well in the relationship so ive had to end a couple of relationships because of that.

Therein lies the problem. To some men who like transgendered women, they are sexual objects. To others, it is their sexuality. I fall in the latter camp. It's the same as if I was in a relationship with a women. I would like and desire what was between her legs. That would define my sexuality and would lead me to want to have sex with her. But, the key word is relationship. In order to haave a relationship, there has to be more than a desire for what's between someone's legs. Sure, it's a part of it, but it's not even close to the whole enchilada.

Lol Ofcourse its not the whole enchilada....Not EVEN close. And yes i have learned to look for guys that can actually have a relationship with me. Its hard. lol

[whatsupwithat]

i believe it is possible to be in a relationship. I would like to experience one that is "normal". I have yet to meet a "normal" guy that would like to have a relationship with me since the whole T thing. But im hopeful. Sigh..... Most guys ive been with have onlly wanted me because of what was inbetween my legs and i didnt feel emotionally and mentally well in the relationship so ive had to end a couple of relationships because of that.

Therein lies the problem. To some men who like transgendered women, they are sexual objects. To others, it is their sexuality. I fall in the latter camp. It's the same as if I was in a relationship with a women. I would like and desire what was between her legs. That would define my sexuality and would lead me to want to have sex with her. But, the key word is relationship. In order to haave a relationship, there has to be more than a desire for what's between someone's legs. Sure, it's a part of it, but it's not even close to the whole enchilada.

Lol Ofcourse its not the whole enchilada....Not EVEN close. And yes i have learned to look for guys that can actually have a relationship with me. Its hard. lol

Yeah, I know. Just as hard on the guy end, as well.

[Luna555]

Im sure it is! I can only imagine trying to look for a girl to have a relationship with that has that extra special something.

[whatsupwithat]

Im sure it is! I can only imagine trying to look for a girl to have a relationship with that has that extra special something.

I was in a 13 year relationship with a ts...friends now. It was hard, very hard at times for many, many reasons. The stigma and prejudice she faced was mine, too. I saw and experienced a lot of pain and suffering and hatred. I love the Tg community. The courage that I see on a daily basis astounds me.

[BrendaQG]

I have to wonder where you are talking to these women. Try and look at all this from my perspective. Of the responses I get to my advertisement more than a few have been from guys who would say they want to be my boyfriend exclusively. When I hear that I inform them that they would have to pay all of my bills because I have no other job.

There are economic realities that prevent the ladies you have called from just being a girlfriend. It cost money to live, for anyone anywhere.

This is business pure and simple, frankly I get along best with men who see it that way as well. No pretty woman shit happens in real life.

If any of you guys want a TS to jut be your girlfriend find one who has a job, and has generally settled down and stopped sowing their oats.

[Kriss]

Im sure it is! I can only imagine trying to look for a girl to have a relationship with that has that extra special something.

I'm not sure that is what is in guy's minds when posting these topics. Are all these 'LTR? threads' about "trying to look for a girl to have a relationship with that has that extra special something"? I think a lot of guys are looking for an LTR with a woman, Trans OR "genetic" and are just trying to understand if such a thing can possibly 'work'. It 'worked' for 13 years for someone??? (see above) and a big up to him for the patience and understanding that surely requires. respec'. These days most marriages seem to last about 3 years so what's an LTR? People change over time (please, i'm talking OBjectively) and the dynamic nature of each relationship changes also. (remember when you couldn't LIVE without her but now you are stronger and it is SHE who can't LIVE without YOU. That may change again.) I personally am not looking for an LTR with exclusively a pre/post/GG/amazon/midget/etc. It's difficult enough to find ONE woman I am attracted to that will also endure my bullshit so to narrow it down further to JUST a pre-op girl OR JUST a Post-op TS OR JUST a woman born a woman OR JUST a Quadraped.
If I met the right one tomorrow then I would be with her through whatever 'procedures' she needed(not literally,bit squemish for blood and gore and injections)

[The_Cap]

There are economic realities that prevent the ladies you have called from just being a girlfriend. It cost money to live, for anyone anywhere.

This is business pure and simple, frankly I get along best with men who see it that way as well. No pretty woman shit happens in real life.

Anyway you cut it that seems a very depressing way to think...

Whos to say you wont sit down with a client one day and click with him in a way yuo never have with anyone else before? money involved or not...

Life seems to short to be so blunt, but i guess its your opinion so i cant knock it :D

I think its very easy to look at tgirls on the whole on the internet and take it for granted that they represent the majority, when the truth is they probably represent about a third of what lies beneath...

I love tgirls in any shape or form and have oodles of respect for them, but tgirls you meet and chat to in real life, and ones you observe on the internet and pay to meet are 2 differenct factions entirely...

At least, thats how i see it...but theres ALWAYS grey areas...

[Kriss]

I inform them that they would have to pay all of my bills because I have no other job.
There are economic realities that prevent the ladies you have called from just being a girlfriend. It cost money to live, for anyone anywhere.

Now this could get me in trouble but hey, trouble is a form of attention too, right? How many Transwomen, especially those that post here at H.A., plan for the time when they can't rely on selling their body to pay the bills? Now I know SOME girls don't work in the sex industry, but here on H.A. most do. There have been recent posts by girls regarding career options and a move into 'mainstream' work. It seems that even out of the media, a past in porn is a problem. So how many of you girls have other 'careers', To those that transition younger, are you going to college? To those who had earning potential before thier transition, Have you been able to resume that line of work? I can't help it, it's this bloody full moon sends me BARMY I TELLS YA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


but tgirls you meet and chat to in real life, and ones you observe on the internet and pay to meet are 2 differenct factions entirely...

OH NO, I BEEN QUOTED AGAIN!!!!
Not to me. Unfortuneately the girls that I want to "meet and chat to in real life" look stunning and have spent a lot of money on their appearance. Almost always, these girls work as escorts and if you are chatting to gorgeous girls online I suggest that you probably just haven't found thier 'escort' adverts yet? :twisted:

[Luna555]

Im sure it is! I can only imagine trying to look for a girl to have a relationship with that has that extra special something.

I'm not sure that is what is in guy's minds when posting these topics. Are all these 'LTR? threads' about "trying to look for a girl to have a relationship with that has that extra special something"? I think a lot of guys are looking for an LTR with a woman, Trans OR "genetic" and are just trying to understand if such a thing can possibly 'work'. It 'worked' for 13 years for someone??? (see above) and a big up to him for the patience and understanding that surely requires. respec'. These days most marriages seem to last about 3 years so what's an LTR? People change over time (please, i'm talking OBjectively) and the dynamic nature of each relationship changes also. (remember when you couldn't LIVE without her but now you are stronger and it is SHE who can't LIVE without YOU. That may change again.) I personally am not looking for an LTR with exclusively a pre/post/GG/amazon/midget/etc. It's difficult enough to find ONE woman I am attracted to that will also endure my bullshit so to narrow it down further to JUST a pre-op girl OR JUST a Post-op TS OR JUST a woman born a woman OR JUST a Quadraped.

Lol I didnt mean that he was looking for something on here lol. I said that its hard to find a guy that can have a LTR with me because of me having gender "issues". ( when i say issues i dont mean that its a problem but to most society my gender is something that makes me have issues like not being able to get a job any place i want to or having to deal with mean people) After i replied with that comment he said that Yes it is hard and that its also hard for a guy to find a girl. And i said That yes i understood that and that i could only imagine how hard it was. none of thouse comment were referring to people online. Well atleaast i didnt think so. Hope that clears that up. I have a hard time explaining myself sometimes. LOL

[Luna555]

I inform them that they would have to pay all of my bills because I have no other job.
There are economic realities that prevent the ladies you have called from just being a girlfriend. It cost money to live, for anyone anywhere.

Now this could get me in trouble but hey, trouble is a form of attention too, right? How many Transwomen, especially those that post here at H.A., plan for the time when they can't rely on selling their body to pay the bills? Now I know SOME girls don't work in the sex industry, but here on H.A. most do. There have been recent posts by girls regarding career options and a move into 'mainstream' work. It seems that even out of the media, a past in porn is a problem. So how many of you girls have other 'careers', To those that transition younger, are you going to college? To those who had earning potential before thier transition, Have you been able to resume that line of work? I can't help it, it's this bloody full moon sends me BARMTY I TELLS YA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well I transisioned early when i was 14 and I actually have a regular job. I am a receptionist for a small company and I also do some of their book keeping.

I have been thinking of going into the Adult industry whether thats escorting or porn. LOL I would like to get some things done and i think that those kinda jobs can get me more places. I want to get my nose reshaped and that cost money and i dont make enough doing the job im doing now. I also want to do other things to my face.

[Kriss]

I have been thinking of going into the Adult industry whether thats escorting or porn.

If you haven't done it yet then DON'T DO IT AT ALL. That porn will be on the internet for ever and ever and ever and ever. It will be pirated and pirated and copied and copied and you will never be able to forget it if you chose to. And I worry that escorting will just result in you hating all men and possibly sex. just my mountain of cents (dumped on top of yop, not even weighed out in bags!!!!)

[NadiaUSA]

Try and look at all this from my perspective. Of the responses I get to my advertisement more than a few have been from guys who would say they want to be my boyfriend exclusively. When I hear that I inform them that they would have to pay all of my bills because I have no other job.

There are economic realities that prevent the ladies you have called from just being a girlfriend. It cost money to live, for anyone anywhere.


Men dont think of us and our needs when they say they want to date us. They would use us for our youth and beauty with one foot in the ts world and one in the straight world until they are done with us. Why not get something for it.

I have only met one man that long proved he was not using me and gave to me with abundance.

If you ever want to test your man just tell him you are in pain and have an urgent need. See if he shrugs it off, most do. Its an easy test. I do it all the time to check the users that try to get over on me.

[Luna555]

I have been thinking of going into the Adult industry whether thats escorting or porn.

If you haven't done it yet then DON'T DO IT AT ALL. That porn will be on the internet for ever and ever and ever and ever. It will be pirated and pirated and copied and copied and you will never be able to forget it if you chose to. And I worry that escorting will just result in you hating all men and possibly sex. just my mountain of cents (dumped on top of yop, not even weighed out in bags!!!!)

Well what i what is something that is really expensive and escourting would be able to finance that. I want to go to college and i dont want to depend on scholorships and i dont have anyone to financially supply college for me. I also want to get things done to my face and body so that i can be more comfortable with myself. LOL.


I still have to decide if i want that and i understand that it will be on the web for ever and ever and ever. but i guess thats somethign i have to live with if i decide to do that.

Thank you for your advice though.

[The_Cap]

Men dont think of us and our needs when they say they want to date us. They would use us for our youth and beauty with one foot in the ts world and one in the straight world until they are done with us. Why not get something for it.

Spoken by a true scorned woman, why makes that worse is stand up guys like myself cant get out of the shadow of that stereotype, i know if i handed over a wendge of notes to spend a night with allanah starr, i would probably spend most of that night hugging her, talking and at the most kissing...

Im not trying to sound different there, its the truth..


If you ever want to test your man just tell him you are in pain and have an urgent need

Thats so true it hurts...

[Kriss]

Men dont think of us and our needs when they say they want to date us. They would use us for our youth and beauty with one foot in the ts world and one in the straight world until they are done with us. Why not get something for it.

I can TOTALLY understand this attitude. I have little regard for the male of our species and I can think of many, many reasons why you may feel used and exploited :shrug
WHO KNOWS WHAT SUBLIMINAL MESSAGES PEOPLE COULD BE WRITING!

none of thouse comment were referring to people online. I have a hard time explaining myself sometimes. LOL
you find yourself agreeing with 'kriss'. you think he is just SO articulate. Start a thread about it. DO IT NOW!!! NOW!!!!
Oh thats o.k. I wasn't really 'picking at' your statements, merely using it to jump off on another of my patented 'obscure tangents'tm. Wasn't saying that you are wrong or owt, just seemed a good time to bring up the old 'dead horse' about guys wanting a pre-op TS for sexual gratification and not understanding that she might not always want to retain her "something extra" AND the whole "why a TS and NOT a GG?" , i mean , i havent seen one of those threads started for at least 3 hours.

[SarahG]

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[Kriss]

i know if i handed over a wendge of notes to spend a night with allanah starr, i would probably spend most of that night hugging her, talking and at the most kissing...

poof!


If you ever want to test your man just tell him you are in pain and have an urgent need.

ever heard of the girl that cried wolf?

[mikejones]

Nadia that may be an effective way to weed out men that don't care, but it will probably also chase away the genuine guys when they realize they have been played in this way. At the very least it would create some serious trust issues.