1st attempt to use escort goes wrong

[sdtgfan]

Hi guys and girls...I've been lurking on this site and I've really enjoyed the mix of pictures/videos and ts discussion. I found this site and the eros guide a couple of months ago and decided to get the courage up and contact a ts for a first time experience.

Being a little nervous about the whole thing, I wanted to find a girl who would be supportive and helpful with a first timer. I found a girl here on the San Diego section of the website named Mimi who looks really cool and had the following in her ad "Available to sincere discreet gentlemen who want to experience something new and exciting.I will not rush you. I am very polite and classy".

Excellent, this matches me exactly. So, I get the nerve to call and she is immediately rude. She answers and says hello and I ask if this is Mimi. She said "yes" curtly and I went on to say that I saw her on the eros guide. She snapped "so, do you want an appointment." Of course, I answered yes and she said "what time?". I said whatever time works for you because I was in no rush and thought that she might have other appointments.

This is where the discretion goes out the window. She then briskly asks "How generous will you be with your donation tonight?" I was totally thrown off because I was pretty sure that discussing "donations" over the phone wasn't going to happen due to numerous reasons. I said that I wasn't sure, this is my first time. She then gets bitchy and asks about what I like to do. Once again, I thought this sort of talk would not take place on the phone. I'm not sure she understood what the word "discrete" means. She then says "Honey, you don't know what you want, quit wasting my time" and hung up on me. Then, it got really bizarre with three phone calls from a private caller. I finally answered and somebody with a strangely husky voice is asking why I called their number. Of course, it sounded like her either using a more masculine voice but I can't be 100% on that.

I've read on this site about how escorts can be hit and miss (fibbing about size and functionality, moodiness etc), but this sort of thing on the first phone call has me turned off to using any escorts. If this is the treatment that girl who advertises herself as kind/classy and basically caters to first timers, I'm worried what I'll get from other girls.

I'm sure escorts are worried about police posing as 1st time clients, but then why ask for a "donation" and a specification of desired services on the phone? Makes me worried that she was a cop.Is there a protocol that I totally missed out, like some sort of special words I should have been using? Where did I go wrong or did I?

[suckseed]

You got lucky. You figured her out without wasting your time and money.
You should search here for transexual escort review sites (some sites like The Erotic Review have ts sections), search for craigslist review sites - in short, do your research. If they're not friendly over the phone to general conversation on the phone, they're not going to be nice to you in person - and if they're just having a bad day, you should skip them that day anyway and try later. Some sites cost $20 a month or so. But you can search for your girl or in your city and get the basics, just not the details. That way you don't spend your money only to find out there's no relevant reviews. It's $20 well spent!

[Your_Best_Kept_Secret]

Don't forget, also, not all girls are alike, hence "hit or miss"

Don't let one bad apple ruin the bunch for you. But, yes, do your homework and consider yourself lucky this was over the phone and not face to face or in public AFTER money had been exchanged.

[Legend]

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[suckseed]

I see the death penalty in his future isn't it irony that the same method he used to kill that poor girl is the same way he is gonna go out.
uh......

[Realgirls4me]

SDTGFAN,

Reservations and palpitations are normal at the juncture you find yourself in currently. Just remember that not all girls are like that, though, and if they are that way toward their clients, I'll bet the house that they will most likely never make great money at their craft because word does eventually get around. I've never had a woman treat like that over the phone, and I'm going to put a halt to that if she is bitchy in any way. I think her behavior is an example of an exception and not the rule.

I saw TS Doll tonight on her final night here in San Diego as I mentioned in the "ts tx doll?" thread below, and she, like the few others I've seen since I got into this hobby, offered a superb and memorable experience that was sans any nastiness or attitude. She would have been perfect for your first experience, or second, third, or forth experience. Read the reviews offered here and elsewhere such as TER and SER. Good reviews aren't a guarantee you'll have a good time, as your mileage may vary, but they do give you a better sense of who these women are -- a lot better than a few words or claims on an Eros ad.

Good luck, and don't let this one experience stop you. :)

[wendy48088]

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[sdtgfan]

Thanks for the tips...I will do more research in the future. Realgirls4me, I'll have to contact Doll next time. I saw her in a Joey Silvera movie and she seemed like an angel. Hopefully she comes back to SD soon.

As far as negotiating goes, am I right with the feeling that you would handle that with the girl in person? Do the girls usually have a set price that they work off of? And, the phone conversation should be pretty short and used to determine time and place, right? Thanks guys

[Your_Best_Kept_Secret]

As far as I have heard, price is negotiated BEFORE YOU MEET....Unless guys change their minds at the last minute and all, I really don't see a girl bargaining for her time and services "after the fact". It'd be way too easy to get burnt that way.

I would think, as I don't know precisely, that most girls also have a standard flat rate to start from, in the event that they do meet a guy, and then nothing else happens. That way, their time is not totally wasted in the event he decides not to go further, physically, than meeting.

[wombat33]

Hi guys and girls...I've been lurking on this site and I've really enjoyed the mix of pictures/videos and ts discussion. I found this site and the eros guide a couple of months ago and decided to get the courage up and contact a ts for a first time experience.

Being a little nervous about the whole thing, I wanted to find a girl who would be supportive and helpful with a first timer. I found a girl here on the San Diego section of the website named Mimi who looks really cool and had the following in her ad "Available to sincere discreet gentlemen who want to experience something new and exciting.I will not rush you. I am very polite and classy".

Excellent, this matches me exactly. So, I get the nerve to call and she is immediately rude. She answers and says hello and I ask if this is Mimi. She said "yes" curtly and I went on to say that I saw her on the eros guide. She snapped "so, do you want an appointment." Of course, I answered yes and she said "what time?". I said whatever time works for you because I was in no rush and thought that she might have other appointments.

This is where the discretion goes out the window. She then briskly asks "How generous will you be with your donation tonight?" I was totally thrown off because I was pretty sure that discussing "donations" over the phone wasn't going to happen due to numerous reasons. I said that I wasn't sure, this is my first time. She then gets bitchy and asks about what I like to do. Once again, I thought this sort of talk would not take place on the phone. I'm not sure she understood what the word "discrete" means. She then says "Honey, you don't know what you want, quit wasting my time" and hung up on me. Then, it got really bizarre with three phone calls from a private caller. I finally answered and somebody with a strangely husky voice is asking why I called their number. Of course, it sounded like her either using a more masculine voice but I can't be 100% on that.

I've read on this site about how escorts can be hit and miss (fibbing about size and functionality, moodiness etc), but this sort of thing on the first phone call has me turned off to using any escorts. If this is the treatment that girl who advertises herself as kind/classy and basically caters to first timers, I'm worried what I'll get from other girls.

I'm sure escorts are worried about police posing as 1st time clients, but then why ask for a "donation" and a specification of desired services on the phone? Makes me worried that she was a cop.Is there a protocol that I totally missed out, like some sort of special words I should have been using? Where did I go wrong or did I?


Seek Mia Fever on EROS in California and you will be VERY VERY GLAD you did.

Sweetheart. Georgeous. Hung. Functional, and very easy to deal with.

[mikejones]

If there are any bars that the girls hang out at in your area that can be fun too. You have the opportunity to buy them a drink and meet them first. If you don't like a girl's attitude, then just move on and find another one.

[ezed]

As far as I have heard, price is negotiated BEFORE YOU MEET....Unless guys change their minds at the last minute and all, I really don't see a girl bargaining for her time and services "after the fact". It'd be way too easy to get burnt that way.

I would think, as I don't know precisely, that most girls also have a standard flat rate to start from, in the event that they do meet a guy, and then nothing else happens. That way, their time is not totally wasted in the event he decides not to go further, physically, than meeting.

The rate advertised is the rate. There is no negotiating before or in person. If you wanna negotiate go to a t-girl bar and do in person. The good girls phones are ringing constantly. If you call expect to pay the advertised rate. When you call you are dealing with a person. Depending on their mood at that point in time, it is what it is. Put yourself in their shoes. It's hard to explain, but when you if you've dealt with customers no matter what the service.....you'll understand.

Now put your helmet on and get back on the ice, or we'll ship you to the minors.

[MrsKellyPierce]

I'm sorry that whole thing made me laugh

[NadiaUSA]

Review sites like TER are for cheap ass losers. All they talk about is how much for how cheap. Dont ever tell a girl your calling from there. Its the wrong attitude to have, just go and be yourself.

[Realgirls4me]

Review sites like TER are for cheap ass losers. All they talk about is how much for how cheap. Dont ever tell a girl your calling from there. Its the wrong attitude to have, just go and be yourself.

Cheap ass losers are an element everywhere, and as far as their forum goes, most of those guys pay the going rate. I know a couple of the regular posters there, and they never try to bargain down. That is, don't paint everyone there with one broad brush stroke. It isn't fair or correct.

[suckseed]

Okay, here's why I disagree with that. I chose someone I hadn't even really thought seriously about until reading her reviews, because I was too busy trying to find good reviews of the one I had my heart set on (she was sort of a Saigon Lee level cutie).
Well, it turns out that my pinup did full service one out of eight reviews. Everyone raved about this other woman. So I gave her pics another look, saw the potential I had missed, and made an appointment. And proceeded to have the time of my life. For a first timer, it made all the difference.

[pnwguy24]

TER is your friend. Ignore the idiots complaining about price and just focus on experience and looks in comparison to photos. good luck!

[ARMANIXXX]

sdtgfan said,


I'm sure escorts are worried about police posing as 1st time clients, but then why ask for a "donation" and a specification of desired services on the phone? Makes me worried that she was a cop.Is there a protocol that I totally missed out, like some sort of special words I should have been using? Where did I go wrong or did I?


__________________________________________________ ______________________

At the risk of sounding absurd, How do we know that the OP, NEW OP, isn't a cop himself?

Just food 4 thought.

[ARMANIXXX]

At any rate, you are winning the battle for your search so far......assuming your not 5.0. , otherwise you are clearly losing :lol:


Still, Welcome to HA.

[Ecstatic]

sdtgfan, your instincts are correct. Experienced and especially high quality providers will avoid any discussion of rates or explicit services on the phone. Many will state in their ads, "read my ad before you call." As ezed says, there is no negotiation ("or you will be better off seeking a provider who meets your current financial state" as some state in their ads). There is often better service for the money, however, if you and she hit it off and if you become a repeat client.

Many girls sound curt and even harsh on the phone. Look at it from their perspective: they may receive 100 or more phone calls a day, and end up with 2 or 3 clients. The ratio is not good, and wasting time on the phone is not productive. They keep those calls short and curt for good reason. But good girls are never abusive or indiscrete.

TER and SER: I strongly favor SER, which is exclusively for TS escorts, and many well-known girls actively participate in the forum there (Venus, Zeira, Nautica, Nataly, and many others).

One bit of general advice: treat the girls well, and you will be rewarded. They deal with a lot of asses (of both kinds, lol) every day, so nice guys do stand out.

[Dasnasdi]

If the ad states a price, don't discuss it. Some ads don't. In this case, you definitely do want to discuss it over the phone. Neither of you wants for you to show up short on cash, or for you to say, "No fucking way", and walk out.

If she tries to increase the price in person, say, "No fucking way", and walk out.

Some will ask what you are willing to spend. $200 should demonstrate that you are serious.

I've been asked many times, "What are you looking for"? I, too, don't want to discuss specifics over the phone, so I always say, "I'm submissive".

Jamie and Jessica work together in San Diego. There is something about them I find intriguing. Though I haven't met them yet, every impression I get is that they would be pleasant company.

Finally, to wrap up this rambling post so I can finally get to bed, I would echo what has already been said: keep in mind that the majority of calls these girls get are time wasters. Make sure your words convey the fact that you are serious.

[THATSMISSJUNECUZYANASTY]

Hi guys and girls...I've been lurking on this site and I've really enjoyed the mix of pictures/videos and ts discussion. I found this site and the eros guide a couple of months ago and decided to get the courage up and contact a ts for a first time experience.

Being a little nervous about the whole thing, I wanted to find a girl who would be supportive and helpful with a first timer. I found a girl here on the San Diego section of the website named Mimi who looks really cool and had the following in her ad "Available to sincere discreet gentlemen who want to experience something new and exciting.I will not rush you. I am very polite and classy".

Excellent, this matches me exactly. So, I get the nerve to call and she is immediately rude. She answers and says hello and I ask if this is Mimi. She said "yes" curtly and I went on to say that I saw her on the eros guide. She snapped "so, do you want an appointment." Of course, I answered yes and she said "what time?". I said whatever time works for you because I was in no rush and thought that she might have other appointments.

This is where the discretion goes out the window. She then briskly asks "How generous will you be with your donation tonight?" I was totally thrown off because I was pretty sure that discussing "donations" over the phone wasn't going to happen due to numerous reasons. I said that I wasn't sure, this is my first time. She then gets bitchy and asks about what I like to do. Once again, I thought this sort of talk would not take place on the phone. I'm not sure she understood what the word "discrete" means. She then says "Honey, you don't know what you want, quit wasting my time" and hung up on me. Then, it got really bizarre with three phone calls from a private caller. I finally answered and somebody with a strangely husky voice is asking why I called their number. Of course, it sounded like her either using a more masculine voice but I can't be 100% on that.

I've read on this site about how escorts can be hit and miss (fibbing about size and functionality, moodiness etc), but this sort of thing on the first phone call has me turned off to using any escorts. If this is the treatment that girl who advertises herself as kind/classy and basically caters to first timers, I'm worried what I'll get from other girls.

I'm sure escorts are worried about police posing as 1st time clients, but then why ask for a "donation" and a specification of desired services on the phone? Makes me worried that she was a cop.Is there a protocol that I totally missed out, like some sort of special words I should have been using? Where did I go wrong or did I?
OK... so after reading your post I HAD to reply. I find that a lot of guys who have never interacted with Transwomen before automatically go for the "easiest" way for them to meet us.... through escort services, sex clubs, etc. I have a suggestion... Instead of sexually objectifying Transwomen and then getting angry when the Transwoman turns the tables on you... why not do your research and look into "transmixers" or support groups/social functions that allow admirers of t-girls into their spaces? In my opinion this is a better alternative to guys who are "drinking similac and using training wheels" and aren't sure if they want to get into a relationship or a situation that could develop into a friendsdhip or something. Just take things one step at a time and don't rush. Contrary to what the media says not ALL transwomen are sex workers/escorts :roll: (though... if that's what a girl's got to do to survive... then I can't knock a sister's hustle... ya gotta eat!) Yeah um- so- dont take the easy way out. Trust me... the experience will be better for you when you take your time and look for something that you've researched and thought about thoroughly.

[Nch22now]

You for real?

You're going to meet a person for sex. She's gonna ask you those questions. On the phone or not.
It's up to her if she thinks it's safe to do it on the phone, you shouldn't worry.

And moods? She's human. You probably caught her at the wrong moment. It happens to us all.

I reckon you should just forget about your bad trip and get back on the bike. Go find a nicer girl.

[MikeP3]

If you live in SD why even bother with US providers? Goto TJ. Some fine looking girls and most with zero attitude.

[dan_drade]

Hey, thats too bad that your first experience was a bad one. But don't give up after just one bad attempt. There are many girls out there that want to show you a great time for your money. Most of the girls I know want to have guys back as repeat customers, so they won't do anything but try to please you so that you come back again.

As far as the price goes, just pay waht they are advertising and don't ask them to give you a "special" price. Most girls charge what they deserve and sometimes that can run up to a few hundred bucks for an hour. If you want a girl for 100 bucks or less, she is probably a druggie, poz girl or just a man in a wig and panties LOL.

[mikey_stl]

Hi guys and girls...I've been lurking on this site and I've really enjoyed the mix of pictures/videos and ts discussion. I found this site and the eros guide a couple of months ago and decided to get the courage up and contact a ts for a first time experience.

Being a little nervous about the whole thing, I wanted to find a girl who would be supportive and helpful with a first timer. I found a girl here on the San Diego section of the website named Mimi who looks really cool and had the following in her ad "Available to sincere discreet gentlemen who want to experience something new and exciting.I will not rush you. I am very polite and classy".

Excellent, this matches me exactly. So, I get the nerve to call and she is immediately rude. She answers and says hello and I ask if this is Mimi. She said "yes" curtly and I went on to say that I saw her on the eros guide. She snapped "so, do you want an appointment." Of course, I answered yes and she said "what time?". I said whatever time works for you because I was in no rush and thought that she might have other appointments.

This is where the discretion goes out the window. She then briskly asks "How generous will you be with your donation tonight?" I was totally thrown off because I was pretty sure that discussing "donations" over the phone wasn't going to happen due to numerous reasons. I said that I wasn't sure, this is my first time. She then gets bitchy and asks about what I like to do. Once again, I thought this sort of talk would not take place on the phone. I'm not sure she understood what the word "discrete" means. She then says "Honey, you don't know what you want, quit wasting my time" and hung up on me. Then, it got really bizarre with three phone calls from a private caller. I finally answered and somebody with a strangely husky voice is asking why I called their number. Of course, it sounded like her either using a more masculine voice but I can't be 100% on that.

I've read on this site about how escorts can be hit and miss (fibbing about size and functionality, moodiness etc), but this sort of thing on the first phone call has me turned off to using any escorts. If this is the treatment that girl who advertises herself as kind/classy and basically caters to first timers, I'm worried what I'll get from other girls.

I'm sure escorts are worried about police posing as 1st time clients, but then why ask for a "donation" and a specification of desired services on the phone? Makes me worried that she was a cop.Is there a protocol that I totally missed out, like some sort of special words I should have been using? Where did I go wrong or did I?

Sorry to hear about your bad experience. Let me say that there are some very nice TGs (as well as GGs) who escort. Your first clue should have been how rude she was to you on your initial call. Don't pay any attention to what they say on their site -- they say whatever is necessary to get business. Also, they're accustomed to getting a lot of crank calls. Nevertheless, I've found that those girls who are pleasant to talk to are the best.

My suggestion would be to go to a bar in the LA area where T-girls hang out. Most of them are escorts -- in fact some of the girls that advertise on eros, etc., go to these bars. One good thing about this is that you can see them face-to-face -- ads can have pics of someone else, airbrushed pics, or just pics that are 10 years old. Strike up a conversation with a lady you find attractive and see if she's friendly. Tell he you've never been there before, and you're new at this. If she acts like a bitch, or immediately starts trying to pressure you to leave with her or give her lots of money, steer clear. If she seems genuinely friendly then you might proceed further.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Wouldn't it just be more practical since you live in California to go to a transexual bar??????

[sdtgfan]

Thanks for replies on this everybody.

As far as not objectifying tgirls, I understand and respect that line of thinking. I'm looking to explore this part of my sexuality and I'm not sure if I want to have a relationship with a tgirl. With gg's, if I'm not in the mood with a relationship, I'll tell them and they can make the decision whether or not to date casually. However, I've gotten the vibe from reading tgirls' opinions on the net that they are tired of being objectified. From what I've read, average "civilian" tgirls would be offended if I told them I was just experimenting.

As far as rates go, this escort didn't advertise rates so I had nothing to base it on. Just to wrap it up, regardless of her words her attitude was confrontational from the get go and I am glad that she showed that up front instead of in person.

[tsmandy]

As far as negotiating goes, am I right with the feeling that you would handle that with the girl in person? No. If a girl is trying to negotiate with you in person, she is either trying to rip you off, or she is a cop (or just really stupid). Negotiating money for services will land you in jail sooner or later if you monger enough, so stick to gals with good reviews and a website or ads that clearly states her prices.


Do the girls usually have a set price that they work off of? And, the phone conversation should be pretty short and used to determine time and place, right? Thanks guys Phone conversations should be relatively short (at the providers lead) and used to screen you as well as determine time or place. Remember, girls have to determine over the phone whether or not you are an officer of the law (the fucked up stupid law!) or psychotic, so if she asks questions its not necessarily bad. Seems like this girl was either inept or trying to see how much she could milk out of you (i.e. upsell, rip off)

[Realgirls4me]

If you live in SD why even bother with US providers? Goto TJ. Some fine looking girls and most with zero attitude.

Both parties engaged in an illegal tryst is a risk in itself for all those involved, and you want to compound that risk by doing it in a second world country notorious for health issues, crime, corrupt cops, and a warped jurisprudence?


Even if the most beautiful TS women in the world resided there I still wouldn't.

[deke]

My first experience wasn't that great. I paid the girl even though upon meeting her I didn't find her very attractive. I played with her for a bit, finished, thanked her and left and thought i'd never do it again even though I was dying for that "perfect" experience.

So i tried another girl maybe a year later. she was more of a dominatrix which I was really looking forward to. A much better experience but not perfect. I did see her several times, however.

Finally last year, I met Roxanne and had the "perfect" experience. She was so friendly, outgoing, energetic and gave me the fantasy experience I always wanted. Hopefully I'll see her up here again.

[freak]

never ever see a girl that has her reviews removed from TER , SER or any other review site. There are reasons they get them removed and it isn't because they are so busy from the good service.There are a few girls on this site that refuse to let guys review them, well just the bad reviews so be careful.
Even before you go to a T-girl bar do a bit of research, I was in the Las Vegas Lounge one night and Jasmine was there, she is a shemale yum girl with a body that any gg would want, I seen her photos and she is hung like a michelob beer bottle, well she was great in the club but as soon as the $$ changed hands she was a total rip off. She also has been known to pull knives on upset customers, knowing that I would have never seen her.

[BeardedOne]

You can't even really go by the ones that have their reviews removed. I know a very popular gurl that had her reviews pulled (For whatever reason) and I can't for the life of me figure out why. She's beautiful, smart, energetic, considerate, but you never know when a client is gonna get their brithces in a bunch and yell "foul". Even I had a so-so visit with her the first time, but it was the =first= time, and our subsequent visits have been pure heaven.

Definitely go by the attitude you hear (Or don't) in the conversation on the phone and you can certainly trust the instinct that rarely are price or service discussed on the phone.