Most common thing that clocks a ts?

[suckseed]

Is it appearance, voice or mannerisms?
Ladies, can you tell when they can tell?

[DimitriWolfe]

I think their walk, rather their strut, gives it away most of the time. They walk with MUCH more confidence than a GG.

[MrsKellyPierce]

adams apple and facial hair if they still have it and also brow bone

[pharroh79]

I think its the hands usually.

[BeardedOne]

I'm gonna get slapped for this...

The first time they pull out their "T'. :lol:

Ow!

OK!

Sorry!

Ow!

Kidding! Jeez! :shock:

[MrsKellyPierce]

I think its the hands usually. not all TS's have big hands though or big feet or are tall lol but yes it is a way to clock one. I think skin is another one if they have fossil face lol

[BeardedOne]

But seriously folx....

Maury, the most closeted T-fan of all time, once said it was the feet. Apparently, Caroline "Tula" Cossey has the gunboats du jour.

[Quinn]

1) Voice.

2) Jawline.

-Quinn

[BeardedOne]

Heya Twink, where ya been sweetie? :wink:

Long time no see.

[Alison Faraday]

Voice, then people start looking for other things to reassure their suspicions.

It can be a variation of things. We (people) all have this sixth sense for spotting something that isn't right about someone. Then we look for more.

For the majority of tss though it's voice. They kind of develop a camp feel if you know what I mean. It's similar to the way gay men speak but a bit different. They look perfect but you still know.

Then are looks and mannarisms. God, there are some of the most stunning TSs out there, yet they're still so obviously men. And they kind of have this attitude that They're A Transsexual, Why Should They Have To Change For Anyone Else!!?? It's so you pass and don't get your head kicked in hunnie bunnie ;)

Alot of it comes down to hidden attitude. What you're thinking at the time can give it away. What you believe in can give it away.

This is another one of those difficult questions like that Do TG's Smell Masculine Thread. It's something that you can't quite put your finger on.

TSs can also generally spot other TSs where other people cannot.

The greatest skill in passing is to care but also not to care if you know what I mean. Genetic females also have an aura around them, some stronger than others, they all have it. Very few TSs have that aura. Some have got it, others haven't. Age, youth, looks, have no bearing.

Like other people out there in all walks of life. Some have got it, other's aint. It's the unknown finger on the pulse. TSs in photos can be TOTALLY different in person. Our personality makes us who we are. Our own names even make us who we are too. We almost fit into the stereotypical behaviour of how someone with our name behaves. Treat someone like a fool and they behave like a fool. I once knew someone called Barry Gunfield at school and he used to get the shit kicked out of him every morning at the school gates. Forrest Gump.

This is all about that sixth sense thing that we have. You know, the old skills we had from thousands of years ago that we don't use anymore yet are still lurking. It's something that can't quite be put into words, almost abstract, but the daft thing is that you all know what I'm talking about.

The whole thing is a mind game.

[suckseed]

Interesting. Yeah, I'd agree - the voice will tip me off right away. Compare Vicki's and Vaniiii(i)ty's voice. Vanity has that kind of put-on speaking through the nose kind of gayboy thing, and Vicki just sounds normal. I haven't sat down and studied either of them, and I'm basing this on years old videos.
I think that from what I've heard, many ts go about trying to sound feminine the wrong way. And the analogy to gay guys acting like no woman I know ever has is apt.

[EdelweissFan]

For some reason, the NY Times had an article about transsexuals about a year back. Don't even remember the subject of the article but it had this memorable line:

"Feet are Tranny kryptonite."

Another giveaway to me is one that is rarely mentioned. To me, the proportion between head and body is different. Women have smaller heads compared to their bodies.

Third, I would say is voice. But here in NYC there are so many GG Puerto Rican women with deep gravelly voices that they blend in.

Ever notice how common that Puerto Rican female deep voice is? It's strange, isn't it, and I don't really hear it in other ethnic groups.

[JANIRA]

very well put ..( ALISON FARADAY) ! WELL FOR STARTERS BEING THAT I AM "61" I TOTTALLY DISAGREE WITH THE HEIGHT FACTOR, I OFTEN GET THE REMARK OH!,, ARE YOU A MODEL?/, DUE TO MY HEIGHT, AT FIRST WHEN I WAS STARTING MY PROCESS, I HAD A HUGE COMPLEX DUE TO THE OTHER "TSS" WHOM WERE SHORTER ALOT SHORTER,,, AND I FELT LIKE "THE SEARS "TOWER,,,LOL...,, BUT IN A INCIDENT THAT HAPPEN , A CERTAIN GROUP OF MEN WERE ALL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF THE TSS WERE MEN "(IN THEIR WORDS"),, AND THESE GIRLS WERE ALL PETTITE SMALL,, GIRLY GIRLY,, ETC,, AND ME AT 6"1 THEY DIDNT QUESTION MY FEATURES , OR FEMMINE ATTRIBUTES , NOR IF I WAS A MALE . AND I FINALLY REALIZED THAT MY HEIGHT DOESNT MAKE ME LESS FEMMINNEOR MANLY, IT ALL COMES DOWN TO CONFIDENCE, AND THE WAY YOU HANDLE YOURSELF..... TO MANY TSS OVER EXXAGERATE THIER """ WOMANLY MANNERISUMS" THAT IT JUST MAKES THEM LOOK FAKE AND REDICULOUS, THEY FEEL IF THEY ACT MORE WOMANLY , OR RAISE THEIR VOCIES TO HELIUM LEVEL,, THINKING THAT IT HELPS WHEN IT DOESN'T THAT NO ONE WILL NOTICE, WHEN IN FACT THEY ARE GIVING THEM SELVES AWAY WITH A QUICKNESS. CONFIDANCE PLAYS A BIG PART INTHE ROLE.

[Kabuki]

very well put ..( ALISON FARADAY) ! WELL FOR STARTERS BEING THAT I AM "61" I TOTTALLY DISAGREE WITH THE HEIGHT FACTOR, I OFTEN GET THE REMARK OH!,, ARE YOU A MODEL?/, DUE TO MY HEIGHT, AT FIRST WHEN I WAS STARTING MY PROCESS, I HAD A HUGE COMPLEX DUE TO THE OTHER "TSS" WHOM WERE SHORTER ALOT SHORTER,,, AND I FELT LIKE "THE SEARS "TOWER,,,LOL...,, BUT IN A INCIDENT THAT HAPPEN , A CERTAIN GROUP OF MEN WERE ALL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF THE TSS WERE MEN "(IN THEIR WORDS"),, AND THESE GIRLS WERE ALL PETTITE SMALL,, GIRLY GIRLY,, ETC,, AND ME AT 6"1 THEY DIDNT QUESTION MY FEATURES , OR FEMMINE ATTRIBUTES , NOR IF I WAS A MALE . AND I FINALLY REALIZED THAT MY HEIGHT DOESNT MAKE ME LESS FEMMINNEOR MANLY, IT ALL COMES DOWN TO CONFIDENCE, AND THE WAY YOU HANDLE YOURSELF..... TO MANY TSS OVER EXXAGERATE THIER """ WOMANLY MANNERISUMS" THAT IT JUST MAKES THEM LOOK FAKE AND REDICULOUS, THEY FEEL IF THEY ACT MORE WOMANLY , OR RAISE THEIR VOCIES TO HELIUM LEVEL,, THINKING THAT IT HELPS WHEN IT DOESN'T THAT NO ONE WILL NOTICE, WHEN IN FACT THEY ARE GIVING THEM SELVES AWAY WITH A QUICKNESS. CONFIDANCE PLAYS A BIG PART INTHE ROLE.

Do you prefer dating tall men(if you date men) then? Is there hope for the short men in the world to date a tall TG? I'm only a little bit over 5'8", and it seems like most of the TGs I'm attracted to are atleast 5'9". Except most of the Asian girls of course :wink:

[NadiaUSA]

Well first of all the use of words like "Guurrll" "Fierce" and "Fabulous" usually come with exagerated manerisms.

But I want to know more about this quote from Allison

This is all about that sixth sense thing that we have. You know, the old skills we had from thousands of years ago that we don't use anymore yet are still lurking. It's something that can't quite be put into words, almost abstract, but the daft thing is that you all know what I'm talking about

I can clock someone easily enough by looking but have any other TS had the strange experience of feeling a TS in the room before looking? I have. Even large gatherings of people. I don't have to hunt for them, I can turn right around and nail them in my sights. Even if they have their backs turned to me.

Does anyone else have TS superpowers?

[Jennifer_English]

you know what....

its jawline.....voice....feet....hands...one or the other..

we all have one of them...

thanx

:O(

[JANIRA]

KABUKI, I HAVE DATED A GUY WHO WAS 5'8 AND I ACTUALY WAS FINE WITH IT, I MEAN ALOT OF MEN & TSS TEND TO THINK OF IT AS A POWER O TYPE THING THAT IF THE WOMAN THEY ARE DATEING IS TALLER THAN THEM IT WILL MAKE THEM FEEL LESS MANLY ETC,,, OR VISE VERSA... AND IM 61 WITHOUT HEELS,, AND WITH THEM ON YOU CAN IMAGINE,, 63 AND UP,,, AND I LOVE WEARING HIGH HEELS ,,LOL ,, IVE NEVER FELT MORE BEAUTFUL!!!!

[JANIRA]

OOPS I FORGOT,, I ACTUALLY LIKE A GUY WHO IS ABOUT 5'9 5'10,, IM REALLY NOT PICKY ON THE HEIGHT THING, ASLONG AS HE AINT VERN TROYER,, LOLL,,http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c345/siemprebella/untitled-3.jpg

[BeardedOne]

Does anyone else have TS superpowers?

As silly as such a thing sounds, it isn't all that far-fetched.

For many years before I became a hermit I had an uncanny knack for 'spotting dykes' (Named for the game that came to light via the Alison Bechdel book "Dykes To Watch Out For", volume one). There was even one public event where I went around literaly 'spotting' dykes with little sticky dots (And with a 100% accuracy level, I became a rather good match-maker at the event).

I never quite understood the mechanics of it, I was just damned good at homing in on them. Was it appearance? Mannerisms? Style of dress? I never found out. But then, I never tried to give it much thought, for fear of invoking the Centipede's Dilemma (Someone once asked a centipede how he was able to coordinate his hundred legs and not trip over his own feet. The centipede sat down to think about it and never walked again.).

I've homed in on a couple of T's in the past, but I'm just as sure that I've missed as many or more. Of course, I tend to look for them, so hunting one out certainly ups the odds as to whether or not I can or will 'clock' one.

[TsJennifer]

voice and how the girl acts

[ottorocket]

OOPS I FORGOT,, I ACTUALLY LIKE A GUY WHO IS ABOUT 5'9 5'10,, IM REALLY NOT PICKY ON THE HEIGHT THING, ASLONG AS HE AINT VERN TROYER,, LOLL,,http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c345/siemprebella/untitled-3.jpg

Apparantly Vern Troyer is the man...they say he's shagged his fair share of buxom blondes

BTW Janira, that is very a lovely avatar :)

[DJ_Asia]

Alot depends on where you are in the world.
In Thailand its quite easy actually.There's a website devoted to westerners travelling to Thailand and it offers tips on everything from quality eats to hotels to best blowjob bars.The owner of the site posted a topic on how to AVOID the ladyboys and his advice works everytime...of course I use it to find them....

"when you walk into a bar look for the prettiest girls and the ones with the biggest tits and stay away from them!"

Its quite true...the GG Thais IMO pale looks wise to the ladyboys

[JANIRA]

OOPS I FORGOT,, I ACTUALLY LIKE A GUY WHO IS ABOUT 5'9 5'10,, IM REALLY NOT PICKY ON THE HEIGHT THING, ASLONG AS HE AINT VERN TROYER,, LOLL,,http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c345/siemprebella/untitled-3.jpg

Apparantly Vern Troyer is the man...they say he's shagged his fair share of buxom blondes

BTW Janira, that is very a lovely avatar :) THX YOU!!1 AND BTW THOSE ARE SOME NICE ABS,, WINK !!!

[sucka4chix]

very well put ..( ALISON FARADAY) ! WELL FOR STARTERS BEING THAT I AM "61" I TOTTALLY DISAGREE WITH THE HEIGHT FACTOR, I OFTEN GET THE REMARK OH!,, ARE YOU A MODEL?/, DUE TO MY HEIGHT, AT FIRST WHEN I WAS STARTING MY PROCESS, I HAD A HUGE COMPLEX DUE TO THE OTHER "TSS" WHOM WERE SHORTER ALOT SHORTER,,, AND I FELT LIKE "THE SEARS "TOWER,,,LOL...,, BUT IN A INCIDENT THAT HAPPEN , A CERTAIN GROUP OF MEN WERE ALL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF THE TSS WERE MEN "(IN THEIR WORDS"),, AND THESE GIRLS WERE ALL PETTITE SMALL,, GIRLY GIRLY,, ETC,, AND ME AT 6"1 THEY DIDNT QUESTION MY FEATURES , OR FEMMINE ATTRIBUTES , NOR IF I WAS A MALE . AND I FINALLY REALIZED THAT MY HEIGHT DOESNT MAKE ME LESS FEMMINNEOR MANLY, IT ALL COMES DOWN TO CONFIDENCE, AND THE WAY YOU HANDLE YOURSELF..... TO MANY TSS OVER EXXAGERATE THIER """ WOMANLY MANNERISUMS" THAT IT JUST MAKES THEM LOOK FAKE AND REDICULOUS, THEY FEEL IF THEY ACT MORE WOMANLY , OR RAISE THEIR VOCIES TO HELIUM LEVEL,, THINKING THAT IT HELPS WHEN IT DOESN'T THAT NO ONE WILL NOTICE, WHEN IN FACT THEY ARE GIVING THEM SELVES AWAY WITH A QUICKNESS. CONFIDANCE PLAYS A BIG PART INTHE ROLE.
Janira, I first saw you getting out of a cab on South Beach years ago, and you looked like a model (with those big hoop earrings that drive me wild), but in that environment I knew (or maybe hoped) you had something extra!

[emmettray]

For my two cents worth, I agree with DJAsia. I have been around the block a few times but a few years ago I was in a Nana gogo in company with a pal and our thai GG girlfriends and a beautiful petite temptress gave us a show onthe pole in front of us. Myself and the mate would never have guessed but the two Thai girls remarked on the particular 'V' definition of the dancers back muscles while she was gyrating around the pole. Once pointed out, I was genuinely gobsmacked. I would never have guessed otherwise. Would have been happy to ditch my chick for the denizen of the pole, but it never happened. Bummer!

[Ecstatic]

KABUKI, I HAVE DATED A GUY WHO WAS 5'8 AND I ACTUALY WAS FINE WITH IT, I MEAN ALOT OF MEN & TSS TEND TO THINK OF IT AS A POWER O TYPE THING THAT IF THE WOMAN THEY ARE DATEING IS TALLER THAN THEM IT WILL MAKE THEM FEEL LESS MANLY ETC,,, OR VISE VERSA... AND IM 61 WITHOUT HEELS,, AND WITH THEM ON YOU CAN IMAGINE,, 63 AND UP,,, AND I LOVE WEARING HIGH HEELS ,,LOL ,, IVE NEVER FELT MORE BEAUTFUL!!!!
Janira, my first TS friend (met as an escort, and we became good friends), is nearly 6' tall, 6'2"-6'3" in heels, and I'm a tad under 5'8". At first when we went out to dinner together I thought, this must look a little odd, her being nearly a half foot taller than me, but it didn't bother her and I quickly got used to it. One time I said, "it's an advantage because look where my head rests when we hug" and she would say "come on the bed, we're the same height there."

As for the clocking clues, it varies of course from person to person, but the ones I tend to notice are voice, mannerisms, Adam's apple, and size of hands and/or feet. But none is universal; I know TS's with very fine fingered, small hands, with no discernable Adam's apple, with very natural feminine voices, etc. And many GG's have these features as well.

[BlackAdder]

Whats the URL of that Website JWBL?

[qeuqheeg222]

hips to shoulder ratio...veiny man hands....hips that sit too high at their widest point so the girl looks like she is wearing jodpurs(i see this on a lot of ts with bad silicon jobs.very common)..overcompensating flambouyance...

[peggygee]

The voice, and not necessarily the pitch, but as has been stated that
'gayboy' over feminine intonation

Also being too flamboyant either in their attire, makeup, or demeanor.

[Chica]

height doesnt necessarily tell... i'm only 5'5 but some of my friends are huge compared to me.. lol..

hands is definatly another thing, while i still have small hands, there are people i know with smaller hands and im jealous lol

one of the things i really notice is the way the belly dips at the bottom... it's hard to see with clothes on, but well i can notice it fairly easily, rather than having a total flat stomach...

soetimes feet too, im lucky to be one size under most my friends that are closer to my height

face gives it away a lot.. mainly i look at the nose and mouth, and i can normally tell... dont ask me how i just do lol

i think it's a combination of a few of them, not just one, cause everyone is flawwed in some way

[Trogdor]

Hands and feet mean nothing. While I hit the gym almost everyday, I got rather feminine hands, despite gripping heavy weights.

So hand and feet size don't mean much :P

[wendy48088]

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[Your_Best_Kept_Secret]

I can clock someone easily enough by looking but have any other TS had the strange experience of feeling a TS in the room before looking? I have. Even large gatherings of people. I don't have to hunt for them, I can turn right around and nail them in my sights. Even if they have their backs turned to me.

Does anyone else have TS superpowers?


In native North American (and other) cultures, the "Two Spirit" people are considered to have a special connection to the spiritual world.

There must be something to that...

Having the ability to walk around and be who you truly are, regardless of what other people think or say when they look at you IS INDEED a superpower in and of itself. It requires incredible amounts of strength and courage. Not all of us girls have that....

[suckseed]

What can a girl do to improve her voice? Is there an expert, method or website out there that has a good rep? because I think that is one of the easiest things to out someone, and potentially possible to improve.

[Your_Best_Kept_Secret]

there are actually vocal coaches ( some ts's and some not ) who do work with t-girls to help work out the vocal chords in order to allow them to learn to speak with a more feminine voice.

I don't have any contact info, but you could probably research online in Google or something.

[TJT]

My wife,a GG, wears a size 12 show and has hands like hams. She's 5'6". I've known lots of female "Bigfoots" over the years. Feet and hands aren't always a tell. (BTW,she knows where to find fashionable large sized shoes. Yours truly is an ass and legs nut who encourages high heels on his partners. Hit me up if you have a hard time finding bigger sizes,she'll know.)

To me it's two things; facial structure and the way they move.

If you were born a genetic male your hip structure isn't the same as woman and it affects the way you walk and move. The "looseness",for lack of a better word,that a GG has in the hips when she moves can't be replicated IMO. It can be imitated,but basic anatomical design can't be overcome.

Facial structure would be #2. if you go through pubetry as boy,testosterone is going to do it's thing in one way or another. The brow ridge is a biggy as a more robust nose,jaw,and chin. The good ol' Adams Apple is generally a dead give away.

Both tells kick in well before she opens her mouth to utter a word. Voice is normally the clincher.

That's why I laugh when I hear the old cliche "I didn't know it was a man?" from guys who had a "Mystery Date"? Yes you did you horndog. Your dick was temporarily running the show and "close enough" is fine by it's standards.

[TJT]

I missed a couple of posts while I was typing that last response. I work in radio and voice can be altered at home w/o much problem if you'll practice. All you need is a recorder,cassette or digital, and time.

Pick a few simple phrases and record them using the voice you think you want. Play them back and you'll see how it really sounds. From that you can start adjusting the pitch and inflection until you get the phrases down in a voice that's acceptable.

Once you get to that stage start using the voice w/ friends and on the phone. You'll be surprised how quickly it starts to become your "normal" voice. After that it a matter of using it in the real world.

You'll want to check it from time to time on your recorder so you don't fall back into old habits,(and you will,but don't let that bother you,it's part of getting that new voice) but after the first 6 months/year you'll have adopted the new voice.

When I first went into radio I had a twang like Gomer Pyle and the depth of Barry White. I rumbled and twanged terribly.If I can beat that you can get in the ballpark w/ a femnine voice.

Your not going to go from Barry White to Lindsey Lohan but you can get to Kathleen Turner from Barry w/ no problem.

Good luck.

[Cat]

Hands and feet.

[strawberry]

Anything that's been listed that's changeable can actually unclock transwomen, too, though. Like a great voice can undo height and shoulders and hips that aren't smack in the center of female norms and make people who initially suspected something totally revise their appraisal. "Oops, I was wrong."

Or just dressing normally... A couple months ago I was at the mall and saw a transwoman who needed some help: perfect hair, lots of makeup, flaunting a bunch of cleavage, that was obviously a boob job with the skin stretched too tight. And there I was with my annoyingly frizzy hair, no makeup (it's good on camera but in RL it makes me look older), in one of my husband's knit sweaters that almost reach to my knees - a little bit frumpy for the occasion (no! I was annie hall chic :-P)... but she looked maybe 30 and was dressed like a 16 year old. It felt weird to me to think I should be giving her fashion advice given how much more effort and skill she'd put into things... but she'd have done way better if she chilled out on the girl stuff and dressed like a woman in her early 30's.

I wish I had less sensitive transdar. When I watch movies I sometimes "clock" actresses who are presumably not trans and it breaks my suspension of disbelief. And then I can't stop staring at her manhands or whatever for the rest of the movie. I guess I'm losing my transdar that way... there can't be as many transwomen as I see in the world so I tend more and more to think "prolly just a false positive" and forget about it.

And then... I think I'm so sensitive this way because I spent so much time obsessing over my body back in the day. I just sort of project this awareness onto other transwomen and presume they'll clock me. I outed myself to an acquaintance that way because I just assumed we had recognized each other and had a silent understanding. I broke the silence to offer her a little support and... ooops. Apparently *all* transwomen don't all have crazy sensitive transdar.

I wish there was a handshake or something so we could establish a secret society and take over the world instead of relying on sloppy physical tells :-P

[Aragon21]

I don't get the "brow ridge and adam's apple" thing.

I don't have pronounced brow ridges and my adam's apple could be measured in millimeters!

If that is the major way to "clock" someone then Rene Russo is a TG, her brow ridge is damn near neanderthal. Hell her hands and feet are likely larger than mine too.

[ILuvGurls]

Well first of all the use of words like "Guurrll" "Fierce" and "Fabulous" usually come with exagerated manerisms.


wheather it be the make-up, clothes, shoes, walk...think all would fit for the above and be a definate tell.

[SEXYTSMAMI757]

I JUST THINK THAT ALSO...BEING TOOOO PREEETTTYY CAN CLOCK A GURL... AVERAGE FEMALES DONT GIVE AS MUCH AS TS GURLS DO... BUT THE ADAMS APPLE STUFF.. HANDS, FEET... I DONT BELIEVE IN USING THAT... IM A PRIME EXAMPLE...

XOXOXO
TS JESSICA
MUAHHHHH

[Ecstatic]

I JUST THINK THAT ALSO...BEING TOOOO PREEETTTYY CAN CLOCK A GURL... AVERAGE FEMALES DONT GIVE AS MUCH AS TS GURLS DO... BUT THE ADAMS APPLE STUFF.. HANDS, FEET... I DONT BELIEVE IN USING THAT... IM A PRIME EXAMPLE...

XOXOXO
TS JESSICA
MUAHHHHH
Jessica, that comes back to what someone (DJAsia maybe?) said about the ladyboys in Thailand: they are usually prettier, sexier and dress more flambouyantly than the girls do, and if they've had implants, they're usually bigger.

The most unclockable tgirl I've ever been intimate with was indeed beautiful, but she was far from the most beautiful. Those (three of them in a dead heat for stunning beauty) still have "tells" for all their gorgeous looks, while this other girl was so utterly passable (in every way: looks, voice, mannerisms) that I actually thought she was a gg trying to fool me at first (she wasn't). Another tgirl I know is so completely passable that my wife couldn't tell (and like many GG's, she tends to spot "tells" that most of us guys would never see). The one thing that usually gives it away for her (if she hasn't already read the girl) is the voice. (BTW, it doesn't matter a whit to her; she totally accepts transwomen as women.)

[BJ4TS]

To me it's everything. They try to be so feminine that they exaggerate their speech tones and movements.

But, this is from what I've experienced and can't generalize to all TGs.




BJ4TS

[Alison Faraday]

The ultimate confidence booster is when you've been out with a couple, had a meal, talked, and spent the entire evening together. And then your partner says you're a transsexual. "What, you're a girl who wants to be man? Why?"

:lol: :lol: :lol:

I also fart. And when at home I lick my plate, which I really really would do in a restaurant if it wasn't for the company.

[ottorocket]

The ultimate confidence booster is when you've been out with a couple, had a meal, talked, and spent the entire evening together. And then your partner says you're a transsexual. "What, you're a girl who wants to be man? Why?"

:lol: :lol: :lol:

I also fart. And when at home I lick my plate, which I really really would do in a restaurant if it wasn't for my company.

g1!

[tsntx]

I think its the hands usually. not all TS's have big hands though or big feet or are tall lol but yes it is a way to clock one. I think skin is another one if they have fossil face lol

same could be said for your answer kelly...

i dont have an adams apple _had it removed_
i dont have facial hair _laser hair removal_
my skin is flawless _chemical peels, good genes, and hormones_
i dont have a brow bone either... but i think the question meant more as a personal experience not so much opinion...

personally i get clocked b/c i dont have a problem if anyone knows... im proud of who i am and dont care if someone else is bothered by me...

[crayons]

Walk, voice and how they dress.

[TomSelis]

Also being too flamboyant either in their attire, makeup, or demeanor.

That gets my vote. Basically out "womaning" a GG draws mucho attention.

[mikey_stl]

If I suspect a girl may be a t-girl, I first look at the Adam's apple. If she's wearing a turtleneck, I suspect she might be trying to hide something, especially if the weather is warm. Then I try to listen to the voice.

There's a lady where I work that I see sometimes -- and I still haven't figured out if she's a TG. I don't work with her directly, so I don't talk to her. She's quite tall, but has no discernable Adam's apple. When she talks she often does so in a hoarse whisper, as if something's wrong with her voice. Now, she could simply have problems with her vocal chords. I don't see her that often -- maybe 2 or 3 times a year. But when I do, I always try to see if I can detect any telltale signs (without staring or making it obvious). So far, I haven't made up my mind.