Both Sexes

[rjemj]

Once I watched a movie with a shemale that has a dick and a pussy (instead of balls) any one knows about this movie(s) any pics ? any info of real escorts will be appreciated

[thehumanbehan]

Sound's like you saw a Hermaphrodite my friend. They are born with both male and female genitals. You could do a search on the net to find more pics, but the majority I guess would be fake.

[Ecstatic]

This is a complex subject which touches on the intersexed. Virtually all pornographic representations of hermaphrodites are indeed fake (though some are well done). Intersexuals exhibit any of various intermediate stages between male and female genital (and other) development, often for instance exhibiting what might be called either a very lage clitoris (perhaps 2-3") or a very small penis, often with vulva in place of scrotum, or with the urethra positioned underneath the "penis" rather than at its tip. There are many online resources for more information; here's a sampling from Wikipedia:

"An intersexual is a person (or individual of any unisexual species) who is born with genitalia and/or secondary sexual characteristics of indeterminate sex, or which combine features of both sexes. (The terms hermaphrodite and pseudohermaphrodite, which have been used in the past, are now considered pejorative and inaccurate and no longer used to refer to an intersexual person.) Sometimes the phrase "ambiguous genitalia" is used.

"According to the highest estimates (Fausto-Sterling et. al., 2000) perhaps 1 percent of live births exhibit some degree of sexual ambiguity, and that between 0.1% and 0.2% of live births are ambiguous enough to become the subject of specialist medical attention, including surgery to disguise their sexual ambiguity. Other sources (Leonard Sax, 2002) estimate the incidence of true intersexual conditions as far lower, at approximately 0.018%."
source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersexual

Greater awareness of intersexuals is gradually growing both in the medical profession and society at large; historically, doctors would surgically assign sex shortly after birth, but this has often led to great dissatisfaction for the intersexed who may develop gender identity quite different to the assigned sexuality or in many cases suffer loss of sensual pleasure in the genitals. Today more parents and doctors are waiting until the intersexual child is old enough (early teens) to determine his/her gender and decide whether and what sort of surgery is to be performed. It is important to note that an intersexual (hermaphroditic) individual does not possess two sets of fully developed genitalia, male and female, but an indeterminate mix of the two.

[GroobySteven]

I've actually had the pleasure of spending time with two genuine intersexed girls and met a couple more.

Girl 1: Met her in a bar in San Francisco. 50% Filipino/50% Puerto Rican. Brought up as a girl. I travelled from SF to New Oreans on a wild and crazy road trip with her.
Physically. Very small natural breasts. Penis was small and semi-functional but strange shaped and had two openings at end, from one she pee'd and another came, small sack. Below the sack was what looked and felt like scar tissue - a couple if inches across.
Orgasmed when I fucked her multiple times - came clear liquid (despite not being on hormones). She was tiny about 5ft 1.

Girl 2: Met in Hawaii on a personals page. Nice girl, smooth, big built like many Polynesians. Also brought up as a girl from age of 7. When she was born she had both sex organs, penis was too low so the surgeons sealed vagina area and relocated penis higher. She could get hard but it went at a strange angle. Some small scars around it. She was considering corrective surgery.

Take a look at the genitals on the photos of this girl I met in Thailand - you can see where the urethra would have originally been located and how her penis never seperated properly from the sack.

It's extremely rare to find a hermaphrodite with both sets of functioning sex organs.
seanchai

[Vicki Richter]

So what causes it? Inbreeding? I am not being a bitch here, just curious. You really don't hear about nearly as many USA types being truly intersexed although the girls claiming to be are a dime a dozen.

I'd be interested in seeing a true herm. I think it would be pretty interesting. At one point I considered surgery to make myself a hermaphrodite (kind of a market cornering thing) but realized the surgeons really wouldn't have all the parts and I would just end up with a strange hole that people would wonder what the hell it was.

Yeah yeah... I know TMI.

V

[GroobySteven]

Why would you say inbreeding? I know it causes a lot of genetic faults but I'm sure there are many, many reasons for birth defects?
seanchai

[Vicki Richter]

I am just saying other countries might not have the same stigma against inbreeding and it's said it causes birth defects. I was just sitting here wondering what probably caused it and that came to mind.

[Felicia Katt]

Using the term Herm is really very politically incorrect these days. Its like calling the developmentally challenged retarded.

Everyone starts out as female in the womb, but about half develop into males in utero. Sometimes, during that diffentiation, there can be glitches or gremlins that can result in someone being intersexed. No one is exactly sure what causes it tho.

Not all intersexed people have male and female external genitalia. Most do not. Some have ambiguous genitalia. Some will have undiffentiated or duplicated inner reproductive systems. Many intersexed people will appear to be of one gender, but will actually be the other, genetically. A lot of intersexed individuals have what is called androgen insensitivity syndrome, AIS which means that even though they are genetically male, male hormones do not affect them normally. There are different degrees of AIS. Someone with complete AIS will develop as a female, but still be an XY male, chromosomally. Many transsexuals are actually intersexed, or have AIS to some degree, or another. Some would argue that all transsexuals are, in terms of their brains' structures being more female than male, even if the rest of their body is clearly male.

As far as "inbreeding", the birth defects that it generally produces are the ones that are recessive in nature, and require both parents to have the defective gene. Things like hemophilia, Tay Sachs, and other syndromes are the more typical outcome. The Royal Families of Europe were plagued by hemophilia, for example, because they intermarried so much. The same thing can be noted in 'purebred" dogs which tend to have a lot more problems than mutts. Mutts tend to have what is called hybrid vigor, which means they have diverse genetic makeups and are not as prone to genetic problems.

Most birth defects are not really genetic but are the result of exposures to teratogens (monster makers), like chemicals, toxins, pollution, viruses etc during gestations. Some of course are genetic and passed from generation to generation.

and you thought I was just a pretty face :)

Felicia

[GroobySteven]

I've heard of more inbreeding in the US than most countries Vicki.
(British Royal Family the exception)
Stigma or no stigma.
seanchai

[Ecstatic]

Thanks for the additional detail, Felica. You added a lot to what I wrote. The percentage of intersexed individuals, if you include all the variations, is higher than one might think, perhaps 1% or more. Consider that the population of the US is 297,000,000: that's almost 3 million intersexuals. Those with fairly well-defined, duplicated external genitalia constitute a far smaller percentage (perhaps 0.01% though I'm not sure of current figures), and even then the likelihood of two sets of genitalia, one male and the other female, fully formed, is virtually nil. As you say, the differentiation occurs in utero and there are various theories as to what exactly causes the incomplete shift from female to male resulting in intersexuality. There are even XXY (Klinefelter's Syndrome), XO (single X chromosome), and other variations. Sometimes, as Felica points out, the main or most obvious difference lies with the internal genitalia, not the external. The question of whether, and to what degree, transsexuals are intersexuals (with the dysphoria found not in the physiology of the genitalia or other body parts but in the brain) is an interesting issue needing a good deal more study.

Here's some more info about the chromosomal factors:
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CHROMOSOME KEY (http://www.kindredspiritlakeside.homestead.com/Intersexuality.html)

SEX differences occur on a number of independent dimensions. Genetic sex, or the organization of the "sex chromosomes," is often thought to indicate the true sex, with males having one X and one Y, while females have two Xs. However, about one in 400 people are neither XX nor XY, but have less common combinations, such as XO (a single X), XXY, or even different combinations in different cells within the same individual, for instance some cells XX and some cells XY.

During gestation, the sex chromosomes determine the differentiation of the gonads, usually into ovaries or testes, but sometimes into ovo-testes (combining ovarian and testicular cells), and occasionally the gonads are absent. For the first six weeks, all fetuses have essentially female genitals. Testosterone produced by fetal testes causes the clitoris to grow to form a penis, the inner labia to wrap around the penis to create the penile urethra, and the outer labia to fuse to create a scrotal sac. The process may not complete, resulting in genitals which may look nearly female, but with a large clitoris; nearly male, with a small penis and perhaps with the urethral meatus (urinary aperture) along the bottom rather than at the tip of the penis; or they may be truly "right in the middle" ambiguous genitals, with a structure that might be considered either a large clitoris or a small penis, surrounded with what might be a split, empty scrotum, or outer labia, and with a small vaginal pouch that opens into the urethra rather than into the perineum.

Because different hormonal systems control the differentiation of the genitals and of the internal reproductive organs, some individuals are born with nearly male genitals outside, and a uterus, tubes, and ovaries inside. Some are born with female genitals outside and undescended testes inside.
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Fascinating accounts, seanchai. This is a subject which has interested me for awhile, but I've never met (to my knowledge) an intersexed person, let along had intimate relations with one. :o

[Bigguy]

I was into the idea of being attracted intersexed people before I got into transgendered people. There isn't much real photos out there to look at, and when I did find some, the person usually looked more male. I think I recall hustler had a photo shoot of one a number of years ago. Nearly all in the porn movies are fake.

This page has a few pics, but it probably isn't what you are looking for: http://www.hermanshermit.com/hermp.html