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chefmike
03-23-2007, 11:14 PM
Bong Hits 4 Jesus and the First Amendment

Byron Williams

What should we make of a nonsensical statement on a 14-foot banner, held by a high school student, combining religion and drug use? Suspension? Does it warrant revocation of his First Amendment rights?

These are the questions raised as the Supreme Court this week debated how restrictive schools could be in limiting a student's right to free speech.


In 2002, Joseph Frederick, then an 18-year-old senior in Juneau Alaska, along with several other students held the 14-foot banner that read, "Bong Hits 4 Jesus." when the torch for the Winter Olympics was scheduled to pass in front of the high school. Frederick was standing on a public street as the TV cameras came into range.

The school's principal, Deborah Morse, took the banner away from the students and sent Frederick to the office. He was suspended for 10 days. A federal judge rejected his claim, but the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled for the student and said the principal could be forced to pay damages.

According to the 9th Circuit ruling, the student had a right to express himself as long as he didn't disrupt the school or its educational mission. Citing the 1969 ruling Tinker v. Des Moines decision, the court declared that a school district was "not entitled to suppress speech that undermines whatever mission it defines for itself." Under Tinker, student speech is protected unless it is disruptive or invades the rights of other students.

"A school cannot censor or punish students' speech merely because the students advocate a position contrary to government policy," Judge Andrew Kleinfeld said in the 3-0 ruling last year.

I would not be thrilled if, as a parent, I received a call from school stating that my son was holding a "Bong Hits for Jesus" banner as a parade passed. But does that warrant suspension from school, especially if he is not on school property?

I would, however, be extremely upset with the school, if learning that he attempted to justify his position by quoting Thomas Jefferson and the First Amendment, only to have his suspension increased from 5 days to 10, as was the case with Frederick.

I must admit a prejudice for any student that spends his free time reading Voltaire, but I am even more persuaded by anyone, regardless of age, who still takes the Constitution seriously. When is it the mission of the school to regulate speech on public property?

But Ken Starr, the same Ken Starr that prosecuted the Monica Lewinsky affair, argued that schools should be given special deference in the area of drugs to move against pro-drug speech -- even messages like Frederick's banner, which are open to varying interpretations.

If Starr is right, could a pro-choice principal limit the speech of pro-life students who wish to pass out leaflets supporting their position? If "Bong hits for Jesus " is wrong it also raises the question: why would civil disobedience be protected under the Constitution?

On its surface, it is easy find this issue as having little value beyond those who are directly involved--one need only be against drugs and for Jesus. But this case is but another example of how our civil liberties have come under attack in recent years with very little public outcry.

Far more people were upset when gas prices escalated than when the attorney general, under oath, questioned the Constitutional relevance of habeas corpus.

However the court decides, I fear that our collective lack of civic understanding is what's on trial. What is required to be an American far outweighs the ability to proclaim it on a bumper sticker or wear a flag on a lapel. Without an accompanying understanding that is rooted in the Constitution, such outwardly displays are but perverted forms of idolatry.

As Village Voice columnist Nat Hentoff said to me this week, "The most disadvantaged people in our society are the ones who don't know what the country stands for."

Byron Williams is an Oakland pastor and syndicated columnist.

chefmike
03-24-2007, 10:21 PM
:lol:

guyone
03-25-2007, 05:33 AM
The student wasn't trying to test the first amendment. He was just being a provocateur. I can't believe the supreme court is wasting its time with this nonsense. Who the hell is going to do a bong hit for Jesus anyway. Let him get his own bong.

chefmike
03-25-2007, 07:25 AM
So are you saying that you don't love the baby Jesus, guyone?

What are you, a goddamn bolshevik?

trish
03-25-2007, 07:25 AM
I don’t know what the student was up to and I certainly don’t know what the supreme court is up to. Perhaps Alito wants to strike a blow against freedom of speech, drawing a line at pro-drug speech in schools…who knows? Conservative “thinkers” aren’t known for their liberal attitudes towards speech. Hope I’m wrong on this one. We just have to wait and see.

olite71
03-25-2007, 09:53 AM
To me this case is simple and can be decided based on well established precedents. The schools have the right to curtail basic rules of decorum WITHIN THE SCHOOLS AND DURING SCHOOL HOURS.

If this occurred out on a public street not within the school then it's a no-brainer....The kid has the right to display the banner.

If the school has a football game and leases the stadium and makes a rule: NO BANNERS WHATSOEVER, then that is not unconstitutional.


I don't have enough facts from this article, however, to make a definitive opinion on the issue...

chefmike
03-25-2007, 09:58 AM
Frederick was standing on a public street as the TV cameras came into range.

guyone
03-25-2007, 06:46 PM
I don't think the Supreme Court should waste its time with people who just want attention. 'Bong Hits 4 Jesus' is just plain stupid and the moron holding banner was just vying for attention. I can't believe anyone would take this seriously.

qeuqheeg222
03-27-2007, 07:54 AM
yeah dude....pipes for passover too!!jernts for jihad?

blckhaze
03-27-2007, 08:33 AM
As my late grandmother would say," Gotta love dem Crakas!"

HAHAHAHA

guyone
03-28-2007, 04:36 AM
Saltines or just plain?

Jamie Michelle
03-28-2007, 04:51 AM
:lol:

http://www.hungangels.com/board/files/jesusbong_195.jpg


Why would one have to hide one's bong because Jesus is coming? It's the Satanic governments that have invented drug prohibition (meanwhile shipping in the drugs in order to make money and gain power off of both ends, i.e., from the drug sales, from the slave labor and prison system, from the annulment of people's human and Constitutional rights, and from the increased funding the government requires for such tyrannical policies), not God.

The government's drug-law tyranny is itself a de facto claim of owership by the government on all the human bodies under its rule, and hence is quite literal slavery, as the government thereby says, in effect (i.e., logically), "You do not own your body, we own that body of yours; we'll tell you what you can and cannot put into that body of yours, of which is owned by us."

For more on this, see Section 14, "Jesus on the War on Drugs (and All Forms of Prohibition)" in "Jesus Is an Anarchist," James Redford, revised and expanded edition, June 1, 2006 (originally published December 19, 2001):

http://praxeology.net/anarchist-jesus.pdf

Quinn
03-28-2007, 05:10 AM
Why would one have to hide one's bong because Jesus is coming? It's the Satanic governments that have invented drug prohibition (meanwhile shipping in the drugs in order to make money and gain power off of both ends, i.e., from the drug sales, from the slave labor and prison system, from the annulment of people's human and Constitutional rights, and from the increased funding the government requires for such tyrannical policies), not God.

The government's drug-law tyranny is itself a de facto claim of owership by the government on all the human bodies under its rule, and hence is quite literal slavery, as the government thereby says, in effect (i.e., logically), "You do not own your body, we own that body of yours; we'll tell you what you can and cannot put into that body of yours, of which is owned by us."

For more on this, see Section 14, "Jesus on the War on Drugs (and All Forms of Prohibition)" in "Jesus Is an Anarchist," James Redford, revised and expanded edition, June 1, 2006 (originally published December 19, 2001):

http://praxeology.net/anarchist-jesus.pdf :trolls

Jamie Michelle
03-28-2007, 05:22 AM
Why would one have to hide one's bong because Jesus is coming? It's the Satanic governments that have invented drug prohibition (meanwhile shipping in the drugs in order to make money and gain power off of both ends, i.e., from the drug sales, from the slave labor and prison system, from the annulment of people's human and Constitutional rights, and from the increased funding the government requires for such tyrannical policies), not God.

The government's drug-law tyranny is itself a de facto claim of owership by the government on all the human bodies under its rule, and hence is quite literal slavery, as the government thereby says, in effect (i.e., logically), "You do not own your body, we own that body of yours; we'll tell you what you can and cannot put into that body of yours, of which is owned by us."

For more on this, see Section 14, "Jesus on the War on Drugs (and All Forms of Prohibition)" in "Jesus Is an Anarchist," James Redford, revised and expanded edition, June 1, 2006 (originally published December 19, 2001):

http://praxeology.net/anarchist-jesus.pdf

:trolls

If you dispute my above statement, then present a reasoned rationale for your disputation. As it stands now, your response is logically invalid. It's what it known as the fallacy of a non sequitur, since your reply doesn't do anything to establish that my statement is incorrect.

guyone
03-28-2007, 08:01 AM
I LOVE THE BABY JESUS!!!

chefmike
03-28-2007, 11:09 AM
I LOVE THE BABY JESUS!!!

IF YOU REALLY LOVED THE BABY JESUS, THEN YOU WOULD DO A BONG HIT 4 HIM!

PRAISE JESUS!

PRAISE HIS NAME AND PASS THE BONG!

guyone
03-28-2007, 04:51 PM
I did!

LoadedRevolver66
04-06-2007, 06:31 PM
Who the hell is going to do a bong hit for Jesus anyway.

I WOULD!!!

Break out the stash and crank up Sublime...It's prayin' time!

svenson
04-08-2007, 03:16 AM
Who the hell is going to do a bong hit for Jesus anyway.

I WOULD!!!

Break out the stash and crank up Sublime...It's prayin' time!

me also