Taking the pee

[Elpachio]

Actually, this is probably a question for Seanchai.

I dont know if this is a common thing to be turned on by, but I love the sight of a TS-girl peeing. I find it a real turn-on.

Do you have many models in your movies that pee in front of the camera Seanchai?
I reckon you should have a movie where each scene starts with a "gurl" having a pee and then a man comes in and they get down to it.......what do you think? :-)

[GroobySteven]

Get a fair amount of requests for it and have included it on some recent sets on Shemale Yum and Ladyboy-Ladyboy.com
Brazilian-Transsexuals.com also has a fair amount.

Got to be real careful on releasing that stuff on video - my distributors won't touch it.
seanchai

[flabbybody]

hey, whatever turns you on. www.frankstgirls.com has a lot of that

[Jamie Michelle]

Get a fair amount of requests for it and have included it on some recent sets on Shemale Yum and Ladyboy-Ladyboy.com
Brazilian-Transsexuals.com also has a fair amount.

Got to be real careful on releasing that stuff on video - my distributors won't touch it.
seanchai

Why won't your distributors carry shemales merely peeing, yet they will carry shemales receiving and giving anal and oral sex?

I could see how they might be worried about supposedly violating the make-believe "community standards" if you're talking about golden showers, etc. But merely peeing would seem to be a lot more tame than anal and oral sex.

[Elpachio]

Yes, that doesnt make sense to me either. Im not talking about golden showers, just seeing her peeing in a toilet.........i love it.

I was in a live show on the website wildshemale last night that im a member of, and I asked the girl to do it and she grabbed a plastic cup and peed for me....it was fantastic.

Thanks Seanchai, that's good to know.

[GroobySteven]

It's one of those things that can be considered on the borderline - like you're only allowed to put a ballgag on someone for X amount of seconds, only allowed to show cocks or dildos (sex toys) not other objects going in an ass, you're only allowed to put fingers and not a fist into someones ass.
You tell me - it's your country setting the rules?
Max Hardcore has been busted a number of times but he has a great legal team - he keeps pushing. We're just too small so we have to play by the rules.
seanchai

[Jamie Michelle]

It's one of those things that can be considered on the borderline - like you're only allowed to put a ballgag on someone for X amount of seconds, only allowed to show cocks or dildos (sex toys) not other objects going in an ass, you're only allowed to put fingers and not a fist into someones ass.
You tell me - it's your country setting the rules?
Max Hardcore has been busted a number of times but he has a great legal team - he keeps pushing. We're just too small so we have to play by the rules.
seanchai


Actually, I really don't think you'd have much to worry about in merely showing a shemale peeing (such as peeing in a toilet, or on the ground, or in a cup), as compared to showing a shemale engaging in any type of sex, whether it be anal sex or oral sex, etc. The "community standards" laws in the U.S. are totally undefined--i.e., it's basically whatever the evil and diabolical government prosecuter can get 12 government-worshipping, indoctrinated serfs to agree offends their sensibilities.

In that regard (i.e., concerning the potential legal consequences), you'd have far more to worry about in showing a shemale engaging in anal or oral sex. After all, everybody pees, but not everybody engages in anal or oral sex, let alone anal or oral sex in what mass society would regard as "homosexual sex," i.e., "perverted sex."

[GroobySteven]

Jamie thanks for your input - I'll take your advice as someone who as far as I'm aware, does not work in the industry, with a pinch of salt and stick to what I am told of my legal advisors, distributors and my own awareness of someone who has worked 8 yrs in the adul industry.
seanchai

[Jamie Michelle]

Jamie thanks for your input - I'll take your advice as someone who as far as I'm aware, does not work in the industry, with a pinch of salt and stick to what I am told of my legal advisors, distributors and my own awareness of someone who has worked 8 yrs in the adul industry.
seanchai

Oh, thank you so much for that backhanded compliment, seanchai. I see that you don't have any logical argument to back up your position, but instead you resourt to the logical fallacy of appeal to authority.

Gee, it's so great that you have people you trust who can do your thinking for you--God forbid the masses should start thinking for themselves. What kind of fucked up, crazy world would that create if people started doing that?!

[GroobySteven]

No I get my information from talking to industry professionals. Hopefully, with the leaving of Ashcroft we're not going to be walking on ice like we have had to for the last few years while the powers that be can change their minds on how they want to fuck up the industry.
Pick up any copy of AVN or go to the Free Speach Coalition over the last year to get some ideas.
Jamie, you don't have to have an opinion on everything and like most people who think they're well read...you know little about reality.
The guy asked me a question and I answered it.
seanchai

[Jamie Michelle]

No I get my information from talking to industry professionals. Hopefully, with the leaving of Ashcroft we're not going to be walking on ice like we have had to for the last few years while the powers that be can change their minds on how they want to fuck up the industry.
Pick up any copy of AVN or go to the Free Speach Coalition over the last year to get some ideas.
Jamie, you don't have to have an opinion on everything and like most people who think they're well read...you know little about reality.
The guy asked me a question and I answered it.
seanchai

You have yet to actually answer my question (other than citing illogical fears): "Why won't your distributors carry shemales merely peeing, yet they will carry shemales receiving and giving anal and oral sex?"

And I have studied this issue, thank you very much. Like I said, there is no real definition of what the make-believe "community standards" are. All it comes down to is what the evil and diabolical government prosecuter can get 12 government-worshipping, indoctrinated serfs to agree offends their sensibilities. In that regard (i.e., concerning the potential legal consequences), you'd have far more to worry about in showing a shemale engaging in anal or oral sex. After all, everybody pees, but not everybody engages in anal or oral sex, let alone anal or oral sex in what mass society would regard as "homosexual sex," i.e., "perverted sex." In short, it would be the shemale sex acts which would in far greater risk of supposedly violating the make-believe "community standards," since that is what the government-worshipping plebians would be most offended by, as compared to merely peeing.

Now, can you please present any evidence that the above analysis is in any way even slightly wrong? I'm not interested in what your "legal advisors" tell you, unless they also happen to back it up with specific U.S. court citations.

[GroobySteven]

No I cannot present any evidence.
Nor, do I need to.

My fears are not illogical, they come from working in this industry and seeing what can happen and listening to professionals around me. I'm running a very successful and profitable business, I don't need to push the envelope to see where it gets me. I also don't have to answer to you on how I choose to run my business or who I listen to for advise, it's certainly not someone who has no knowledge of the business and just seems to stick his nose in to offer an opinion based on some regurgirated facts. You may be right - you may be wrong, I'll follow my own business sense thankyou.



That's it Jamie, period.
seanchai

[Jamie Michelle]

No I cannot present any evidence.
Nor, do I need to.

My fears are not illogical, they come from working in this industry and seeing what can happen and listening to professionals around me. I'm running a very successful and profitable business, I don't need to push the envelope to see where it gets me. I also don't have to answer to you on how I choose to run my business or who I listen to for advise, it's certainly not someone who has no knowledge of the business and just seems to stick his nose in to offer an opinion based on some regurgirated facts. You may be right - you may be wrong, I'll follow my own business sense thankyou.

That's it Jamie, period.
seanchai

Thank you, seanchai. But I didn't stick my nose into your business--simply what you had posted on this forum.

I realize there's a lot of fears as to what the U.S. government can do to truly screw someone over. The government can screw any of us over at any time for whatever make-believe reason that they want to come up with, if they have it in for someone. And I couldn't care less about the peeing issue in porn, at least in of itself--that's simply the example of what started this subject. But at the same time, I think most of it comes down to convention, and what people are used to, i.e., shemales engaging in anal and oral sex is taken for granted in the shemale porn industry because that's how it's always been. But of course, Ma and Pa Hatfield aren't used to that, and I'm sure if some government prosecutor wanted to go after the standard shemale porn he could convince them that it supposedly violates some make-believe, essentially-undefined "community standard."

[GroobySteven]

Thank you, seanchai. But I didn't stick my nose into your business--simply what you had posted on this forum.
You made a comment on something you know nothing about and wasn't directed to you.



I realize there's a lot of fears as to what the U.S. government can do to truly screw someone over. The government can screw any of us over at any time for whatever make-believe reason that they want to come up with, if they have it in for someone.

Wasn't this my point exactly?



And I couldn't care less about the peeing issue in porn, at least in of itself--that's simply the example of what started this subject. But at the same time, I think most of it comes down to convention, and what people are used to, i.e., shemales engaging in anal and oral sex is taken for granted in the shemale porn industry because that's how it's always been. But of course, Ma and Pa Hatfield aren't used to that, and I'm sure if some government prosecutor wanted to go after the standard shemale porn he could convince them that it supposedly violates some make-believe, essentially-undefined "community standard."
Er, yeah, and, um?


Thing is - you don't know anything about the industry. It seems like you skulk around the board looking for an argument. I was answering a guys question and you feel the need to assert your obivous intelligence by quoting what you've picked up or read somewhere.
How about you take a look at this book - if you read it, it might be at least of some use to you.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1579651364/ref=pd_bxgy_img_2/104-1655195-8438340?v=glance&s=books

If you feel the need to have an argument, sit down, relax and figure out what you're trying to prove and why.

...and for El Pachio - here's a few pee shots - some more tomorrow.
seanchai

[LBCDO]

Im guessing you and Joey dont have the same distributor, Are the internet saturday clips ever on the actual DVDs? [likeyly since he puts out so many damn movies, LOL]. But i see where you are coming from. No need to sacraficve fines, products, hassle, etc. when what you currently has works. If you konw that its gonna cause headache, why deal with it? I would do the exact same thing!

[Elpachio]

Seanchai, you're a star......thanks for the photos. Awesome.

[GroobySteven]

Joey's distributor is Evil Angel which is run by John "Buttman" Stagliano and is one of the more relaxed distrubtors.
Even so Joey started the "Internet Saturday Night" section on Joey-Silvera.com because he COULD NOT put those clips on a DVD for general release.
seanchai

[Jamie Michelle]

Thank you, seanchai. But I didn't stick my nose into your business--simply what you had posted on this forum.

You made a comment on something you know nothing about and wasn't directed to you.



I realize there's a lot of fears as to what the U.S. government can do to truly screw someone over. The government can screw any of us over at any time for whatever make-believe reason that they want to come up with, if they have it in for someone.


Wasn't this my point exactly?


Perhaps it was your point, and you simply didn't articulate it very well. If you had said something to the effect of, "People in the shemale porn industry don't want to be the first ones to start doing something different, for fear of being noticed by a government prosecutor; there's safety in numbers, in that if we're all doing basically the same thing (i.e., mostly anal/oral), then no one in particular sticks out," then I could have understood your point about the peeing matter.





And I couldn't care less about the peeing issue in porn, at least in of itself--that's simply the example of what started this subject. But at the same time, I think most of it comes down to convention, and what people are used to, i.e., shemales engaging in anal and oral sex is taken for granted in the shemale porn industry because that's how it's always been. But of course, Ma and Pa Hatfield aren't used to that, and I'm sure if some government prosecutor wanted to go after the standard shemale porn he could convince them that it supposedly violates some make-believe, essentially-undefined "community standard."
Er, yeah, and, um?


Thing is - you don't know anything about the industry. It seems like you skulk around the board looking for an argument. I was answering a guys question and you feel the need to assert your obivous intelligence by quoting what you've picked up or read somewhere.
How about you take a look at this book - if you read it, it might be at least of some use to you.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1579651364/ref=pd_bxgy_img_2/104-1655195-8438340?v=glance&s=books


skulk, intransitive verb: to hide or conceal something (as oneself) often out of cowardice or fear or with sinister intent

Unlike most posting on this forum, I'm not closet-case, seanchai. I've already posted my legal name on this forum, as well as my pictures. My life is an open book for all to look into.

As far as your recommended book goes, it use to be that I wished I could grow a beard in order to look more masculine--and hence better "fit in" with what mass society expects of males--and now that I've accepted my feminine side I'm glad that I am unable to. I'm only able to grow a few thin patches of hair on my face. But I'm not a transsexual: I haven't taken any female hormones, I haven't had any electrolysis, and I haven't had any cosmetic surgery. Besides on my eyes and lips, the only makeup I wore in my pictures was some blush. Had I used some regular women's face powder then what slight hint of darker skin you could see on my face in those pictures wouldn't have existed. But I thank you for your interest in my visage.



If you feel the need to have an argument, sit down, relax and figure out what you're trying to prove and why.

...and for El Pachio - here's a few pee shots - some more tomorrow.
seanchai