Aggressive Tranny Porn - More thoughts ...

[GroobySteven]

From what I've been hearing from another thread and looking at some content over the weekend, I'm sharing some other thoughts I have about it.

I've been looking at various porn and the stuff which sells well and a lot of it is what I'd consider over aggressive. Maybe it's just that I'm too vanilla - or more of a lover than a banger but it doesn't really work for me and some of it, especially the forcing cocks right down throats, I find makes me queasy.

I was in a situation about 8 yrs ago with a Brazilian girl, we were both a little drunk and making out, she's giving me a sloppy BJ and she takes my hand and slaps it across her face ... this made me a little uncomfortable but she takes it again and does it harder and she was getting hotter and hornier the more it was done. It ended up being amazing sex but I was spanking her hard, slapping her face har and pulling her hair - and I enjoyed it all. It didn't make me want to slap the next girl I was with in the face though ... it was the fact she was so into it, that turned me on.

When your fucking someone you want to see that they're "feeling" it - it massages your ego that your cock is actually touching the sides - from what I've been told about being a bottom, part of the pleasure is feeling some pain and this certainly comes into play with spanking, scratching, nipple biting etc.

Into porn - we do have an obligation on what we show. This is one reason I'm mainly for the use of condoms in porn, it might be less hornier for some but by making it look normal, the act of having sex with a condom - it may save a life or two. Things go on in porn that don't go on in a regular bedroom - most GG's won't let you shoot across their face (they prefer to swallow), many are iffy about anal sex (yet in porn every model has anal sex) and many guys think it's abnormal that their girlfriends/wives won't engage in this sort of behavior, which appears as the norm because they've seen it in countless porn movies. "Honey, why won't you suck my cock after it was in your ass? They do it in ATM Sluts for Hire?".

Those people into fetishes such as S&M but specific S&M type porn - where it's obviously a scene being portrayed - and so if they play in S&M for real, generally find like minded partners or groups.

One thing I can't get though is the forced deepthroat/choking scenes. I've seen it in a lot of straight porn but haven't paid much attention to it (it's not my side of the industry) - recently I've seen it more in TS porn, certainly in stuff by Joey Silvera. This isn't where a girl is given a cock to deepthroat, it's where she's giving head and the guy grabs the models head and forces his cock all the way in, until she's gagging and crying. I was watching "Double Stuff Asian Transsexuals" http://www.shemale-video-direct.com/miva/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=SVD&Category_Code=BOM yesterday to review it - as I'd seen people talk about it on this forum and was quite keen to see it. This had a couple of scenes where the girls head was forced onto the guys cock and she was unable to get off until he released her - now she was teary (caused by gagging) after - and laughed it off - but it a) didn't look comfortable for her b) didn't appeal to me sexually whatsoever and c) surely is saying that it's ok to do this ?

I've seen Vicki, Danielle Fox and Yasmin give superb deepthroat in the Buddy Wood DVD's - yet I didn't see him forcing their heads down and keeping it there. Some models obviously are good at doing this - and some enjoy it and show that in the DVD's they appear in.

I saw posters claiming that what happens in the movies doesn't translate to what happens in real life - and I'd somewhat agree that a movie doesn't make people kill or rape. Yet if we show something as normal in the everyday act of sex, that when a guy goes with a transsexual it's ok to grab her head and force it onto his cock until she is gagging because it appears normal in the movies, then there is a problem, in my opinion.

I've always tried to stay away from specific keywords in our productions both on the web and the DVD's - I'm sure if you went over the body of work we've done over the years you will find enough exceptions but in general we try not to refer to tgirls/shemales as "whores", "sluts". "prosititutes" etc in our shoots, I don't care for that sensationalism. I'm not going to say we're classy but it's because we do try to present them more as people and this is related to the obligations as an industry what we can do to keep it within certain boundaries. I know that Grooby and the other companies who follow this line, get a lot of respect for that from models and a lot of fans. It's one thing for a girl to say she's "slutty" but to sell her as it, just seems unneeded.

Maybe, I've just been doing this for too long and pine back to the days when we were all a little more naive and just excited to get a new model that nobody had seen - and we were excited to hear fans feedback on that "discovery". That excitement is now few and far between - although where some producers have moved onto more extreme forms and kept pushing the boundaries, I prefer to still do it in presenting new fresh, girl next door talent - or the potential new superstar.

Just some thoughts and ramblings....
seanchai

[Solitary Brother]

I feel like guys want to see rough aggressive sex.
Its popular in straight porn.......look at Belladonna.
I feel like in tranny porn a lot of guys want to be submissive to a tranny.
They want to be roughed up a little bit and called names and be generally treated like a bitch.
I think a MAJOR reason why is because of the guilt of the acts involved.

[BeardedOne]

The whole scene thing (Bondage, role play, agressive sex, etc.) is so layered as to be impossible to define. It comes down to a not-so-common denominator of "I know it when I see it" and the defintions are as varied as the people who watch or enjoy it.

Though I've never quite understood all the nuances, I did spend some time in exploratory mode in the mid to late 90's with a 3G of long acquaintence. There were some levels to which I blissfully agreed to and enjoyed, yet I eventually learned that my partner had far different levels to which she would or wished to go. Eventually there was a breaking point that I couldn't go beyond and she lost interest in the game, respecting my limits, but still wishing to go further.

Yet, while I found myself =in= the scene, I could never grasp the concept of wanting to watch such things. Certainly not the extremes that have been mentioned in recent posts/threads.

Even with the explosive growth of the BDSM and fetisgh culture over the past decade or so, I fail to understand where the humiliation aspect kicks in. That's pretty much where a lot of this is based. I mean, really, how much dignity is left to someone who is in tears and covered with spittle and jizz after having a cock shoved down their throat to the point that they can't breathe until their partner releases them?

Truthfully, there are people who I have had the sincere desire to see humiliated in my lifetime (Crooked cops, cheating business partners, incompetent jurists, the list is endless), but this isn't exactly what I had in mind.

Hunh. This is a ramble without a point. :?

If this becomes a poll, put me down for: :puke

[JackHammer]

seanchai, there was a scene in a flick the title I don't remember, with Vicki, Danielle and a gg...a brunette that can gush with the best of them...where (and now that i think of it...it was a Joey Silvera joint...maybe one of his Road Trip series?) there was something that looked awfully like forced BJ action, and the recipient gagging to the point of puking (spitting up at least) on camera...anyone else remember this scene/movie?

[Caleigh]

One thing I can't get though is the forced deepthroat/choking scenes.. where she's giving head and the guy grabs the models head and forces his cock all the way in, until she's gagging and crying but it a) didn't look comfortable for her


Seanchai, as you well know all porn is based on the premise that people will do things for $$ that they wouldn't do otherwise. But that's not to say that some even many people wouldn't LIKE to do those things if they had the opportunity or the courage. There might not only be guys but even girls out there that find gagging scenes very hot.

I plead the 5th on any questions about my personal sexual interests

[ohioboy]

Im not really into the bondage, or the rough stuff, aside from a good hard pussy or ass fucking.

But choking, or forced bj's...or, i've seen it in joey silvera, were they hold the persons nose while they deepthroat and cant breathe...that shit made me limp.

It just wasnt attractive or sexy to me.
People have different tastes.

I was watching the one movie were this black chick, little skinny girl, kinda well known, she was getting gang banged by 7 white dudes, and by the end of it, I was disgusted with porn, myself, etc....

I'd just rather watch a really hot girl, or really hot tgirl go at it with one other guy...with everything done in somewaht moderation..but thats just me.

[Ecstatic]

One thing I can't get though is the forced deepthroat/choking scenes. I've seen it in a lot of straight porn but haven't paid much attention to it (it's not my side of the industry) - recently I've seen it more in TS porn, certainly in stuff by Joey Silvera. This isn't where a girl is given a cock to deepthroat, it's where she's giving head and the guy grabs the models head and forces his cock all the way in, until she's gagging and crying. I was watching "Double Stuff Asian Transsexuals" http://www.shemale-video-direct.com/miva/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=SVD&Category_Code=BOM yesterday to review it - as I'd seen people talk about it on this forum and was quite keen to see it. This had a couple of scenes where the girls head was forced onto the guys cock and she was unable to get off until he released her - now she was teary (caused by gagging) after - and laughed it off - but it a) didn't look comfortable for her b) didn't appeal to me sexually whatsoever and c) surely is saying that it's ok to do this ?
Porn? I've had girls do this to me in real life! Seriously, I've been with a couple of 8"+ girls who seemed to want to drill a hole through the back of my skull, and wouldn't let go. One time my gag reflex got the better of me, and, well, let's just say it was a good thing I had skipped lunch that day.

Some people just seem to be into the rough stuff. I never have been, either as a participant or observer. I'll get kinky in other ways, but S&M never did anything for me. But I will say that staged and obviously fake scenes leave me even colder. Anyway, I prefer the sense of love and intimacy; I don't even get into talking dirty really (though I will if my partner is into it).

[AllanahStarrNYC]

If your eyes dont tear up its not a good blow job!

I see nothing wrong with it. I like it rough sometimes in my personal life- I just make sure to say what I want.

[ohioboy]

u got alotta meat on ur bones, nice thickness you could probably handle it real rough. Those skinnier girls...its like getting abused.

[GroobySteven]

If your eyes dont tear up its not a good blow job!

I see nothing wrong with it. I like it rough sometimes in my personal life- I just make sure to say what I want.

... but having your head held there until you choke ... would that be something you'd encourage?
seanchai

[luv4Tgirls]

I think it is all about what turns you on, the aggressive porn is not what I am looking for. I have seen clips of Max Hardcore with ruff anal, pissing in their mouth if people are into that then know where to find it.
Seanchai, if this about what happen the other day with Khloe, if she said no to the people she was with, then they should have enough respect for her to stop.

[ohioboy]

i think its nasty seeing eyes water....I was on kara davis.com one time, its an interracial site with black chicks and white dicks, and this one chick was smoking crack before her shoot...its like, YEA, thanks for making me dick crawl into my stomach. oh and they had a disclaimer like we dont condone this blah blah....then why is it fuckin on there!!

ANother time this other girl did not stop coughing the whole time he was fuckin her...i mean, it was like whooping cough or somthing...NASTY. i canceled my membership...that shit turned me off.

[AllanahStarrNYC]

If your eyes dont tear up its not a good blow job!

I see nothing wrong with it. I like it rough sometimes in my personal life- I just make sure to say what I want.

... but having your head held there until you choke ... would that be something you'd encourage?
seanchai

i have not in a scene but if i am feeling submissive enough in my personal life- then yes.

[peggygee]

I had the displeasure of viewing some transsexual porn from Robert
Hill, and much of what has been described here occurred.

The actress was forced to deep throat by having the penis forced down
her throat, with her head being held in position. Additionally her nose
was held, and she was visibly gagging and choking for air. Her face was
turning colors, she was tearing, and appeared to be in great discomfort.

The male actor with her looked coked-out. He would smack her in the
face, grab her by the throat, pull her hair, and spit in her face and on
her body.

I saw this in not just one of Robert Hills videos, but in quite a few.

I have not viewed another Robert Hill video.

Nor do I intend to. :smh

[ohioboy]

I've noticed SOMETIMES, that in porn the girls look glossyeyed, or red eyed...
For those in the biz, how rampant is drug use during filming???
I swear im not a reporter.

[GroobySteven]

I have not viewed another Robert Hill video.

Nor do I intend to. :smh

Your missing out on a major cultural experience if you miss, "Ruby, The Transsexual Midget - A Dwarf Star is Born!"

http://www.shemale-video-direct.com/miva/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=SVD&Product_Code=RH546&Category_Code=RHR

[AllanahStarrNYC]

I've noticed SOMETIMES, that in porn the girls look glossyeyed, or red eyed...
For those in the biz, how rampant is drug use during filming???
I swear im not a reporter.

Well it is highly illegal to do drugs on set and in model releases you have to sign that you are not under the influence of any drug. I have never been on a set where I noticed drugs.

Maybe sometimes you eyes get red because of make up-contact lenses-
etc. I would not be so quick to think that if someone's eyes are red or glossy it's due to drug use.

[GroobySteven]

I've noticed SOMETIMES, that in porn the girls look glossyeyed, or red eyed...
For those in the biz, how rampant is drug use during filming???
I swear im not a reporter.

Drug use is rampant - but not necessarily on every set. Viagra or cialis will make the eyes go red also (different drugs but not necessarily the ones you were thinking of).
seanchai

[blckhaze]

some girls like it rough, some dont.if the girl is ok with it, then i dont have a problem with it, but you have to keep visual contact just so you know if your goin too far, even for her. my problem wiht it would be if the girl wasnt verbally consenting of it and the more she discented the worse she is treated untill her spirit is broken for real, then is no fun for anyone IMO

[ohioboy]

I've noticed SOMETIMES, that in porn the girls look glossyeyed, or red eyed...
For those in the biz, how rampant is drug use during filming???
I swear im not a reporter.

Drug use is rampant - but not necessarily on every set. Viagra or cialis will make the eyes go red also (different drugs but not necessarily the ones you were thinking of).
seanchai

that makes sense.

[ezed]

If your eyes dont tear up its not a good blow job!

I see nothing wrong with it. I like it rough sometimes in my personal life- I just make sure to say what I want.

... but having your head held there until you choke ... would that be something you'd encourage?
seanchai

I don't like it. Just my 2cents.

[hwbs]

not into the envelope pushing stuff...i know alot of what i watch is considered hard core ....i saw a trailer of one of beladonnas movies and almost lost my lunch...the needle is somewhere in the middle for me :lol:

[Vicki Richter]

But clearly there is a huge market for more aggressive stuff or companies like Evil Angel or Jules Jordan video wouldn't be so commonly shooting it. These people are the leaders of porn as per the number of AVN awards they win. The movies that are winning awards almost all have some degree of rough edge stuff.

I was told today that my bonus scene on my interactive DVD (the scene with Danielle and I) is selling extremely well on sites like Gamelink.com. It is suggestive that people are enjoying seeing something different in the genre.

My opinion is that women want their men to be rough in bed, although sometimes it is just an untapped fantasy. They fantasize about too big of cock, rough and deep, or gang bangs. However, society has repressed women's desires for actually wanting a dominant man in the bedroom. Women desire to be equal in the workplace, and I support that, but there are some things that nature needs men to do that have nothing to do with equal rights.

Tender lovemaking is nice sometimes, don't get me wrong, but there is a reason so many married men start turning to escorts and so many women stop wanting sex with their husbands. Guys want that girl who will deep throat his cock and swallow cum and girls want that guy who will take control and fuck them into submission at least every once in awhile.

[TheGuard]

Not my thing at all, but I'll fight for someone elses right to it view it.

[hwbs]

I like Jules and Justin slayer ...not into most belladonna(older shoots I LIKE) or max hardcore....I'm not up on too much porn lately so I don't know the other companies putting it out . ..I hate going into those video stores where I live to browse ,so I stick with evil angel...

[wendy48088]

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[Kriss]

we try not to refer to tgirls/shemales as "whores", "sluts". "prosititutes" etc in our shoots, I don't care for that sensationalism. I'm not going to say we're classy but it's because we do try to present them more as people. It's one thing for a girl to say she's "slutty" but to sell her as it, just seems unneeded. Just some thoughts and ramblings....

:claps Exellent ramblings sir. I must say I totally support Seanchai's attitude, always liked his content, the girls look like they are enjoying the shoot. Keep providing what you think is good and don't dilute your quality. Grooby/etc appeals to a lot of people who go there because they want a certain quality and won't see any nasty suprises. Protect your brand by not diversifying into aggressive porn that you don't value. SLUTS however are cool! a slut is the pinnacle of womanhood, the highest form of female, SLUTS are 'go getters', well 'sex-getters' maybe, A woman who gets her way and knows exactly how to 'push men's buttons' to get what she want's. I LIKE sluts. Sluts deserve the upmost respect and admiration. GO SLUTS!!!!!


This had a couple of scenes where the girls head was forced onto the guys cock and she was unable to get off until he released her -

Now I quite like this being done to me with a girl I trust but don't like to see it done to a girl. I don't like to see girls suck cock unless they are really enjoying it, like greedily enjoying it, like they absolutely love sucking cock, thats cool, but forced? no.(one friends girl loved it so much, she would fall asleep with it in her mouth, comforting, like some 25 year old girls that still suck their thumb) I fast forward the bits like seanchai mentioned. I have to fast forward a lot of porn, or just re-edit it down so about 5 minutes of footage i find arousing. I get so bored of she suck him then he suck her then she fuck him then he fuck her, it's always the same, then next scene same but with a different girl. I want to see a whole dvd of just -------- topping guys, those that don't want that can buy the one just of her being fucked. It's why I stopped buying Albums, I only listen to 2 tracks. Bloopers and out-takes are always good, it's nice to see a girl having a laugh and enjoying her days work and is an equal part of what is going on.


- from what I've been told about being a bottom, part of the pleasure is feeling some pain

Not for me. If she's too big and most are then I don't want it if it hurts. The pleasure is in giving pleasure, not seeing someone enjoy hurting me.


Into porn - we do have an obligation on what we show. This is one reason I'm mainly for the use of condoms in porn, it might be less hornier for some but by making it look normal, the act of having sex with a condom - it may save a life or two. Things go on in porn that don't go on in a regular bedroom - and many guys think it's abnormal that their girlfriends/wives won't engage in this sort of behavior, which appears as the norm because they've seen it in countless porn movies.[/i]
Honey, why won't you suck my cock after it was in your ass? They do it in ATM Sluts for Hire?".[/i]

The condom thing. To me when I see Bareback fucking it's cool but not strictly nessesary and I agree not something that should be happening off the porn set as most people outside of porno don't test just before or even every 30 days. It's not something I would do with just anyone as is often portrayed in porno. In a way it looks MORE staged/false when bareback. Oral, different matter, condoms taste so rank.


Yet if we show something as normal in the everyday act of sex, that when a guy goes with a transsexual it's ok to grab her head and force it onto his cock until she is gagging because it appears normal in the movies, then there is a problem, in my opinion.

:rock2 Yes, got to present a positive image of TS women as intelligent, valued and won't take any bullshit from any man.


society has repressed women's desires for actually wanting a dominant man in the bedroom. Women desire to be equal in the workplace, and I support that, but there are some things that nature needs men to do that have nothing to do with equal rights.

I don't know where to start. You are certainly no fool Vicki but "nature"? Nature needs me to have kids but I don't intend to. Thats the whole reason I exist is to propagate but the world has changed, we do not live (entirely) as animals, Humans have CHOICE and that is what separates us from our four legged friends.I don't think gender roles have to be that specific in 2007, In newcastle men call their women MAN and the women call their men PET! Bloody geordies! and anyway get back in the kitchen and do the washing up, you mouthy bird! :wink:

[bassman2546]

But clearly there is a huge market for more aggressive stuff or companies like Evil Angel or Jules Jordan video wouldn't be so commonly shooting it. These people are the leaders of porn as per the number of AVN awards they win. The movies that are winning awards almost all have some degree of rough edge stuff.

I was told today that my bonus scene on my interactive DVD (the scene with Danielle and I) is selling extremely well on sites like Gamelink.com. It is suggestive that people are enjoying seeing something different in the genre.

My opinion is that women want their men to be rough in bed, although sometimes it is just an untapped fantasy. They fantasize about too big of cock, rough and deep, or gang bangs. However, society has repressed women's desires for actually wanting a dominant man in the bedroom. Women desire to be equal in the workplace, and I support that, but there are some things that nature needs men to do that have nothing to do with equal rights.

Tender lovemaking is nice sometimes, don't get me wrong, but there is a reason so many married men start turning to escorts and so many women stop wanting sex with their husbands. Guys want that girl who will deep throat his cock and swallow cum and girls want that guy who will take control and fuck them into submission at least every once in awhile.

You're generalizing things a bit too much. Yes there are reasons that men and women screw around but I highly doubt that wanting rough, face-slapping, cock-choking sex is at the top of the list. It may be high on your list of priorities and business interests but not on others. My sex drive is quite high and my ex-wife couldn't handle it but I didn't cheat on her. She left me for someone more her speed, and thank God she did otherwise I may not be chatting on this site.

Vicki, I'm not criticizing you for your biased opinion but I'm surprised you're not finding some middle ground with this one.

[Caleigh]

isn't the thing to keep in mind that personal tastes
and interests vary ALOT and that's what's important
is that whatever the acts are, it is consensual?

relating to a parallel thread, in bdsm scening there
are almost always limits set beforehand AND some
kind of "safe word" or action that lets the top know
when are boundary is being pushed.

[Vicki Richter]

You're generalizing things a bit too much. Yes there are reasons that men and women screw around but I highly doubt that wanting rough, face-slapping, cock-choking sex is at the top of the list. It may be high on your list of priorities and business interests but not on others. My sex drive is quite high and my ex-wife couldn't handle it but I didn't cheat on her. She left me for someone more her speed, and thank God she did otherwise I may not be chatting on this site.

Vicki, I'm not criticizing you for your biased opinion but I'm surprised you're not finding some middle ground with this one.

I never said all women want face slapping, cock choking, aggressive sex. I don't need my face slapped to get off. I don't need to be spanked to get off. However, I do think women, more than not, want men to fuck like men and be assertive in the bedroom. If you don't think that is true, then read a few romance novels. More often you are reading about the woman being ravaged by her lover than a tender, sweet deflowering. Written by women, for women.

And yes, I do think that nature and primal instincts do dictate sexuality in some respects. We learn this in sociology in college. While we are clearly more aware as sensient beings, there are reasons that all species know naturally to fuck and procreate. In no other species can the female say you're going to deep or go slower or don't cum so fast or I don't want your cum there. I've talked to married men (more than one) whose wives don't want them to cum inside them anymore because it's too messy or inconvenient. Evolution has allowed this, not instinct.

You may not have cheated on your wife, but ask any escort what the higher percentage of her clientel is. Go to any strip club and you'll see at least a 50-50 mix of single and married guys. Every year, per various sex surveys, more and more women are cheating. It is almost equal to men at this point and when women cheat, it isn't because they can't get sex at home. More and more often, it is because they can't get the kind of sex they want at home. I might be going out on a limb here, but I don't know that many women are cheating because their husband wouldn't let them use a strap on on his ass.

Does that mean that people can't switch roles at times and like it? Absolutely not. Does what I am saying apply 100% of the time? Absolutely not. However, I do believe there are reasons that popular porn is shifting so far away from the features and couples market that was so popular in the 80's.

[LG]

Okay...here's a few questions...forgive my rambling...

I don't mean to generalise at all, but reading the girls' responses got me thinking. Personally, I'm not into aggressive sex, but every once in a while I can maybe see the attraction. But is it an XY thing? Are TGs more favourable towards that kind of sex than GGs?

Most girls I know wouldn't even let my dick anywhere near their ass let alone want me cumming inside it and slapping their buttcheeks at the same time. Very few girls would want to give me a blow job, let alone want to be gagged and have someone cum into their mouth while he pushes their head down. Perhaps I'm not meeting the right girls.. :lol: Are TGs more into this kind of thing than genetic girls? And could it be a testosterone thing? A remnant of their masculinity? No offense, but I don't know- I just found Allanah's post a little odd.

Another question is: Are porn films reflecting our fantasies or feeding them? Do men fantasise about aggresive sex becuase they see it in porn, or are producers simply making it becuase the market's already there? Or both?

A final point. Most escorts and/or hookers are willing to go down on you, let you have them any way you want- oral, anal or vaginal. Given enough cash most will deepthroat a guy or let him slap them or pull on their hair. But very few will actually let you kiss them. It seems to be the one thing they will not do.

I haven't been with many escorts, just a handful (half of them TGs). Of the genetic girls, one did kiss me (she made the move and it was a very passionate kiss)- sex was almost irrelevant after that, but another turned her head away.

It's strange...I think it is becuase sex can be meaningless, but to kiss someone passionately you have to really connect.

[Caleigh]

. But is it an XY thing? Are TGs more favourable towards that kind of sex than GGs? Are TGs more into this kind of thing than genetic girls? And could it be a testosterone thing? A remnant of their masculinity?

:popcorn

[LG]

. But is it an XY thing? Are TGs more favourable towards that kind of sex than GGs? Are TGs more into this kind of thing than genetic girls? And could it be a testosterone thing? A remnant of their masculinity?

:popcorn


Hey, I'm not trying to offend (you'll have to wait for TFan to join in for that). Just wondering about what Allanah said. Like I said, maybe the girls I know are prudes, but most GGs I have known are not into aggresive sex. Or maybe they're just lying...

It's just a question (or a bunch of questions, actually)...Call me naive, if you like :shrug

[peggygee]

Every year, per various sex surveys, more and more women are cheating. It is almost equal to men at this point and when women cheat, it isn't because they can't get sex at home.

More and more often, it is because they can't get the kind of sex they want at home. I might be going out on a limb here, but I don't know that many women are cheating because their husband wouldn't let them use a strap on on his ass.



Why does a woman cheat on her man.

I would say there are a variety of reasons.

There may be sexual incompatibility, or even sexual boredom.

Though I think a equally high reason is the the communication disconnect
that occurs when a couple has been together for awhile.

[Caleigh]

I think it's very simple, some people are into some rough
play when they have sex. Other people aren't. It's not
that one is better or the other is worse, it's just part of the
wonderful diversity of the universe.

Regarding cheating, I don't know, I have been in an open
relationship for over 8 years now so there is no such thing
as cheating, there is just having a good time with someone
else besides my partner.

[Buddy Wood]

When I was younger I used to watch porn that was in categories that I wasn't getting (or at least as much as I wanted) in my personal life. I watched a lot of ass/anal vids because my girlfriend at the time or any girl I had ever dated was not into anal sex. I watched tranny porn because I was interested in transsexuals and not meeting any in my personal life.

That's what kind of freaks me out about overly abusive porn. Is the audience all men that really want to be overly aggressive and abusive in their personal lives but aren't because their partners aren't into it? Or because they'd maybe go to jail if they did? Maybe they are doing it already and their partners really are into it - or just put up with it. I don't know. That's their personal lives and whatever floats their boats.

In porn I think a lot of it is semantics with a lot of fine lines separating rough play with straight abusive and degrading behavior. I have no problem fucking someone as hard as humanly possible or even choking them with my dick - but that dick will shrink quickly if it seems like they aren't enjoying themselves. And anyone that gets turned on from a girl NOT enjoying herself - that's weird and even wrong to me and as a pornographer I really want nothing to do with it. I don't want to depict or condone it.

Sex for me has always been this beautiful positive escape from the reality of daily life. Life is filled with lots of pain and can be very complicated and hurtful. I want my sex to be nothing but an enjoyable, pleasure-filled escape from this and that's what I want in the porn I watch and the porn I make. That's just me but I understand there's an audience for everything.

Buddy

[mlas]

To each their own, but I prefer things to be tender, loving, funny or exciting when at all possible. Hard fucking is one thing, but I'm not down with slapping anyone or anything like that. What two people consent to is up to them but I won't be one of them.

Given the choice, I'd set aside a good couple of hours, I'd rub down my partner with a nice massage and just lay, play tickle and fondle for a good while. Then the fun can begin.

[Kriss]

I've talked to married men (more than one) whose wives don't want them to cum inside them anymore because it's too messy or inconvenient.

I think the wives just don't fancy them anymore, If it was perhaps Housewives choice Tom Sellick she would be greedy for his inconvenient mess.


I might be going out on a limb here, but I don't know that many women are cheating because their husband wouldn't let them use a strap on on his ass.

:lol:

[RangeHova]

The slapping thing seems to be big in Brazilian porn (straight and trans). I never got that but hey... different cultures do different things. It always seemed to turn on the slapee as much or more than that slapper. So who am I to judge?

I'm a little torn on this subject. While I don't care to see the whole forced and abusive stuff I do like from time to time to see some agressive fucking. In the trans world (specifically the US market) there seems to be less of it than in other genres.

Most women that I know have there times where they just want you to fuck the shit out of them, where they want you to tear into the pussy and put a hurting on it. I've been with quite a few girls that like to play with that gag reflex of thiers with my dick and most TS women that I have been with on extended basis got off on some level on gaggin me a little (to the point where I learned to fake it to have the same effect without the consequenses) or wanting me to push it a little deeper and harder. I think some slight pain is common on both ends. More than that control and giving up control can be sexy.

In college I had a girl that could hardly handle my size and I would hold her down to take it and I'd feel bad but it was more than apparent that she wanted that. The more she would try to ease back away the more i chased and she would come and literally keep coming back for more.

How many times have you heard a woman talk about how her man had her walking funny the next day? Not all but a lot of women like to get pounded. A lot of men like a women to ride them to the point they are getting fucked and we damn sure know that some TS loving guys like to have a girl fuck them hard and strong.

I dated a girl that swore she didn't like it and that it was so degraded but the times when she gave in or hell, I took her there she had the most responce, the biggest orgasms, and the most oblivous after glow. My last Ts girlfriend the same way. I would make slow passionate love to her and she's be happy, but let me start tearing into her and drilling her hard and deep with an intensity she would shoot a load over her head with out hardly touching her dick and stay hard the entire time. Yet again she swore she didn't like it as much.

Kudos for Allanah and Vicki for keepin it real and not going the PC route.

Again, I wish more American porn girls would really take some good fucking on film. It is alomost like they want to be too in control of the situation to let go all the way, the way a lot of Brazialian girls let go. You hardly ever see a male actor in American porn that is really taking full control of a girl. I don't mean shoving his dick down her throat and treating her like a fucking back alley rapist but normal average man fucking the shit out of his woman kind of way.

You see American TS women fucking GGs with everything they have and even with some of the guys, the girls will fuck a guy like rag doll on a lonely Saturday night. I wanna see some American TS women taker some dick to the point where they loose all freakin control and holler and scream like the GGs do (the real screams, not the fake ones). I've seen Vicki go crazy on girls, the same with Danielle, she fucks harder than 99% of men in the TS side of the industry.

I applaud those that steer clear of the rapist kind of shit but please don't be so sensitive that we don't see our favorite girl gettin thier backs blown out from time to time. It is a give an take that is missing from American TS porn.

[yosi]

there is nothing wrong with aggressive sex as long as BOTH partners want it and like it .

I lived with a TS for 2 years , the sex was great with her usualy topping me , there were many times she put me on my back and fucked my mouth , both of us wanted it and loved it.

[a994]

I also don't want to see an actual rape scene (for the same reasons that I don't dig snuff movies). And I could do without the gagging, slapping and spitting that are in vogue in adult videos these days.

Having said that, I feel much more that way about videos involving GGs, or TGs receiving such treatment from men. On the other hand I get turned on when one or more good-looking TGs are acting sexually aggressive to the men. (Although I did once see a video where I felt sorry for the guy who was being topped, but that's because the one who was drilling him was Suzannah Holmes.) I admit, I enjoy seeing a guy being gang-banged by 10 or more t-ladies with all of them squirting his face afterward, and I love it when a lady is really hammering a guy and saying things to him like "you like getting pounded by me, huh punk-boy? You like being my punk-boy?" while she's having her way with him. (Probably because I fantasize about being the guy in these scenes so much!) As long as they are fully consenting adults and enjoying it, it's cool.

I for one would like to see a lot more scenes where t-ladies are dressed in S&M outfits and doing their guys hard (with a little light bondage thrown in), as long as there's no actual violence taking place or harm being done.

[qeuqheeg222]

couples need to communicate first and foremost.they could do this before they get to serious with the relationship and find out "dirty lil secrets" bout the other one..another thing couples who are serious bout marriage need to realize is variety is the spice of life and if you are down fuckin the same pussy or gettin fucked by the same dick till death,25 extra lbs at age 50, bald heads,back hair,saggy boobs,fallen silicon,point and shoot ejaculations,do you part,y'all better get wild and real!!!!

[crayons]

What an interesting post. seanchai, my thanks to you for challenging and baffling the mind. Curious; did you voice how you felt about the action this girl was having you take on her? Did you tell her you were uncomfortable (as I understand you were). Pardon if I didn't understand you correctly.

[Kriss]

I get it now, was at first confusing as to the meaning of that quote.

[bassman2546]

You're generalizing things a bit too much. Yes there are reasons that men and women screw around but I highly doubt that wanting rough, face-slapping, cock-choking sex is at the top of the list. It may be high on your list of priorities and business interests but not on others. My sex drive is quite high and my ex-wife couldn't handle it but I didn't cheat on her. She left me for someone more her speed, and thank God she did otherwise I may not be chatting on this site.

Vicki, I'm not criticizing you for your biased opinion but I'm surprised you're not finding some middle ground with this one.

I never said all women want face slapping, cock choking, aggressive sex. I don't need my face slapped to get off. I don't need to be spanked to get off. However, I do think women, more than not, want men to fuck like men and be assertive in the bedroom. If you don't think that is true, then read a few romance novels. More often you are reading about the woman being ravaged by her lover than a tender, sweet deflowering. Written by women, for women.

And yes, I do think that nature and primal instincts do dictate sexuality in some respects. We learn this in sociology in college. While we are clearly more aware as sensient beings, there are reasons that all species know naturally to fuck and procreate. In no other species can the female say you're going to deep or go slower or don't cum so fast or I don't want your cum there. I've talked to married men (more than one) whose wives don't want them to cum inside them anymore because it's too messy or inconvenient. Evolution has allowed this, not instinct.

You may not have cheated on your wife, but ask any escort what the higher percentage of her clientel is. Go to any strip club and you'll see at least a 50-50 mix of single and married guys. Every year, per various sex surveys, more and more women are cheating. It is almost equal to men at this point and when women cheat, it isn't because they can't get sex at home. More and more often, it is because they can't get the kind of sex they want at home. I might be going out on a limb here, but I don't know that many women are cheating because their husband wouldn't let them use a strap on on his ass.

Does that mean that people can't switch roles at times and like it? Absolutely not. Does what I am saying apply 100% of the time? Absolutely not. However, I do believe there are reasons that popular porn is shifting so far away from the features and couples market that was so popular in the 80's.

Actually, your posting did sound like generalizing but I appreciate your clarification and respect it. Thanks for the comments Vicki.

I find that demographics do play a certain part in the percentages of women that cheat and what they are looking for. I come from a small town where you find more women with less self-esteem due to their relationship but just put up with it and take it as it is and live unhappy.

My opinion is in the bigger cities where there is more predominance of the 'corporate woman' - the stronger woman perhaps that the numbers of cheating may be higher. A driven woman wants more and goes after it, and I think that includes better and maybe rougher ass-splitting sex.

[dbev]

I'd like to add my view.

I may be an addicted to porn, and I would like to say something to the people here: go out, find a person who likes and do whatever you and this person like!

But go out, and be real!

Real, not images shot in another continent!

Socialise, make friends and meet also people who may not like you.

The world is out there, not within porn movies.

I'm sorry for letting off everything, but I personally know how unhealthy creating a fantasy world is.

People may be not nice, but there is a lot of nice women and men out there; we only need to let us see and appreciate each other.

PS
I hope that I haven't killed this discussion, because it seems to me that I have this magical power... when I write something the discussion dies.

[Kriss]

I'd like to add my view.I may be an addicted to porn, and I would like to say something to the people here: go out, find a person who likes and do whatever you and this person like! But go out, and be real! Real, not images shot in another continent! Socialise, make friends and meet also people who may not like you. The world is out there, not within porn movies. I'm sorry for letting off everything, but I personally know how unhealthy creating a fantasy world is.People may be not nice, but there is a lot of nice women and men out there; we only need to let us see and appreciate each other.

WISE WORDS, all of it. and yes porn IS addictive, but so is sex, it was designed to be addictive. Sex addiction has GOT to be better than porn addiction, possibly more expensive.............

[dbev]

More expensive if you search for escorts.

But there are many relationships with a good sexual harmony.

However, if people do not reach out for each other, it's quite unlikely that we'll be able to have relationships.

I'd like to start a discussion about my life and the role of porn in it, but usually my discussions are short-lived...

Anyway, porn producers should be extremely careful about what they design, because porn is currently shapely the lives of an incredible number of people. Having niches is fine, because people have different tastes, but shifting the taste of the audience is very easy.

If I were a porn producer I would produce something like this, just for a change:

a room with comfortable furniture;
remotely controlled cameras, six or seven, that is nobody in the room with the people performing;
put the woman/women in charge, that is allow them to do decide the sort of scene they enjoy and the to do whatever they want;
from the production room, move the cameras and shoot the action that is going on.

This sort of porn could be less dangerous than the current porn... and as I said, I'm not completely sure that porn helped me in going out and find a companion.

[Kriss]

I'd like to start a discussion about my life and the role of porn in it,

Great idea . start a new thread as it is a good issue on its own, the ROLE of porn in your life.


If I were a porn producer I would produce something like this......

:popcorn

[dbev]

Kriss, what do you mean with the smilies eating pop-corn?

[the Adrienne Barbeaubot]

I'm mostly inclined to have loving,intimate, and passionate sex.However,if I haven't had any for a long while,that's when I like watching the aggressive stuff. I suppose that's because I'd be so horny not having any contact for a while that my animal urges would take control and that I would lose all control.I still would NOT be into the forced cock-choking,gagging,or the coughing up of a gallon of sputum.That totally turns me off.

[the Adrienne Barbeaubot]

I also agree with Vicki,that despite our higher intellectual brain functions:the bottom line is that we are still animals.According to many;the only reason we are here is to procreate:to diversify and replicate our DNA in order for our species to survive.Although we are still like animals we also have that sentience which allows us to seek a variety of ways to enjoy sexuality as a pleasure without having to reproduce.No matter who you're with or what you enjoy;sex is totally the most ultimate physical feel-good pleasure in the world.There is absolutely nothing like the union of bodies whether they are GG or TG.Rough sex or intimate sex: it's whatever you're into. Like we stated before: different strokes for different folks.

[Solitary Brother]

The whole "rough sex" genre was started at anabolic video.
Rough sex is as much a product of the directors phobias fears and desires than anything else.
In my opinion it is the extension of the director......PERIOD.
Anabolic had a video called "ROUGH SEX" that was banned.
Up until then anabolic was a very hardcore cutting edge studio.......it has since fallen into decline.
It seems other studios and directors have picked up on the theme in an attempt to create another genre of porn.
The whole "gonzo" movement created by Ed Powers is played out and companys are desperate for the next thing.
ITS MARKETING.

[GroobySteven]

Typically this topic has evolved into what you like/don't like in sex. I have no issues on what too consenting adults do.
The original point was more concerned about what and how the adult media portray it and as one poster pointed out, does porn refelect what we like or do we emulate what we see in a porn movie and expect it to be the norm?

seanchai

[hwbs]

ive learned a lot from Jules and Justin on EA....ive personally incorporated a lot of things into my routine hehe....how's that for some TMI, lmao

[TheGuard]

Typically this topic has evolved into what you like/don't like in sex. I have no issues on what too consenting adults do.
The original point was more concerned about what and how the adult media portray it and as one poster pointed out, does porn refelect what we like or do we emulate what we see in a porn movie and expect it to be the norm?

seanchai

Studying psychology, I think honestly it's a bit of each, and different for every person. Not a black and white issue at all.

[dbev]

Typically this topic has evolved into what you like/don't like in sex. I have no issues on what too consenting adults do.
The original point was more concerned about what and how the adult media portray it and as one poster pointed out, does porn refelect what we like or do we emulate what we see in a porn movie and expect it to be the norm?

seanchai

Well, being us the users of porn, what we like and what porn reflects are linked.

I personally think that continually raising the bar of the high jump is dangerous, because our brains get used to a certain level of stimulation, and then we have to increase it, then they get used again, and so forth.

It's the perfect definition of addiction.

My opinion is that, in this industry likewise more generally, we need more women in charge and more women following their instincts, showing us what they like, not what they think that we may like. And choosing the performers who share the same tastes with the female producer.

Mr Seanchai, Ms Richter, Ms Williams, Ms Allanah, Ms Jett you are producers. You have the power to do this and try. You may start a new line in T-porn and in porn in general.

Something healthier for the the minds of us watchers.

Next time you are on a set, try to convince the performers, especially the GGs and the TGs, to do what they really like and try to hide yourself and simply "grasp" the action with the camera.

For example, let them meet in advance and discuss privately (not in front of you or with you listening) what they like and dislike, then let them be free to follow their ispiration... more importantly, let the scenes be shaped by the GGs and TGs inspiration... it's slightly easier to satisfy men.

[dbev]

I think that I've killed another discussion.

If you have any spammers, just let me know, in the very moment I arrive the discussion dies.

[vanished]

I've noticed SOMETIMES, that in porn the girls look glossyeyed, or red eyed...
For those in the biz, how rampant is drug use during filming???
I swear im not a reporter.

Well it is highly illegal to do drugs on set and in model releases you have to sign that you are not under the influence of any drug. I have never been on a set where I noticed drugs.

Maybe sometimes you eyes get red because of make up-contact lenses-
etc. I would not be so quick to think that if someone's eyes are red or glossy it's due to drug use.

Being that I have a quirky set of turn-ons, I pay particular attention to this. It's equal parts sad and super hot to see a low budget girl getting it good and her eyes are rolling back in her head and she's clearly, nicely high. Allanah, I totally believe that your super professional, highly stylized films are likely drug free but I've seen quite a few pornos where the girls are quite high and I love it!....

[dbev]

By the way, I think that there is a semantic ambiguity between rough/rude and passionate.

Their meaning is different.

[DimitriWolfe]

I think everyone likes something different. What gets me off today, may not get me off tomorrow, but will again on Sunday.

I like to see all kinds. I like to see them get nailed HARD, and I like to see men be sub bottoms. I like TS with GG and bareback is always hot. But sometimes bareback with guys, sometimes with girls. Sometimes hard and brutal, sometimes slow and soft.

Thank God there are so many different people shooting content. :-)

[Phat]

Very nice, roundabout self-promotion via putting other production companies down.

I think it goes without saying shooting pornography can be done more ways than one. You should know and understand this.

Robert Hill's style seems to be more aggressive, indeed, but does this mean he actually put the actresses in harms way? Were any of them actually injured or traumatized?

I personally doubt it, and if they were, where is the proof? Without proof you're just posting lies and propaganda.

Not everyone is the same, I'm sure there is a decent audience for this type of pornography, a valid form, one which would be a little hypocritical of you to look down on. It seems to be a fetishized variety, which you can relate to.

I mean, You do work with shemales don't you?

[GroobySteven]

Very nice, roundabout self-promotion via putting other production companies down.

I think it goes without saying shooting pornography can be done more ways than one. You should know and understand this.

Robert Hill's style seems to be more aggressive, indeed, but does this mean he actually put the actresses in harms way? Were any of them actually injured or traumatized?

I personally doubt it, and if they were, where is the proof? Without proof you're just posting lies and propaganda.

Not everyone is the same, I'm sure there is a decent audience for this type of pornography, a valid form, one which would be a little hypocritical of you to look down on. It seems to be a fetishized variety, which you can relate to.



Well if you'd bothered to read my post properly, you wouldn't have embarressed yourself with in your efforts to put me down. I never stated any were injured or traumatized but they were definately uncomfortable having their heads held until choking. I think DimitriWolfe would agree that in his new DVD, which in all other aspects is excellent, the model wasn't expecting to have her head shoved down and held there - and looked unconfortable in the DVD and not over happy with having that done ... but that's not really the point either (although I did state, they were just ramblings).

My issue is why do you need to see someone's head shoved down and held there until they puke or cry? Does this lead to viewers of this sort of porn doing this in real life or thinking it's normal - or that the tgirl they meet will like it (or not like it but do it anyway?).
How far are the limits pushed? Where are the boundaries? What are the consequences going to be. Again we're talking about the adult media - not your personal preferences.



I mean, You do work with shemales don't you?

No I work with transgender performers. They often play the role of a "shemale". What's your point though - that it's ok because they're "shemales"?

seanchai

[dbev]

Mr Seanchai, by the way, I wrote you something but, as usual, nobody bothers to reply to my messages.

[dbev]

Let me see if I can have an answer!

[GroobySteven]

Mr Seanchai, by the way, I wrote you something but, as usual, nobody bothers to reply to my messages.

I read your message but didn't see anything that needed replying to or answering to? If you had a direct question then be all means ask.
seanchai

[Kriss]

a load of rubbish :thumbsdown :smh

[dbev]

Mr Seanchai, by the way, I wrote you something but, as usual, nobody bothers to reply to my messages.

I read your message but didn't see anything that needed replying to or answering to? If you had a direct question then be all means ask.
seanchai

Well, I gave you and the other producers some ideas, I was thinking that you may have had a view on what I wrote.

[Kriss]

wrote you something but, as usual, nobody bothers to reply to my messages.
Well, I gave you and the other producers some ideas, I was thinking that you may have had a view on what I wrote.


I think that I've killed another discussion., in the very moment I arrive the discussion dies.

Dbev.........
You got to remember that it isn't a chat room, the threads fall down and eventually get pushed back up. some great topics get pushed down by 'nothing' threads only to re-surface days later, sometimes months later when bumped up by a new member, searching the archives(try this).

Don't worry if no-one responds within 3 minutes of your post, they will get round to it. I may post, log off, check in later on or next day. If someone posts in the thread, they will receive a mail, notifying of your new post so if they want to answer they will. The good threads(peggy's or Ali's) always come back up (I will bump them) when someone has a new idea or something to add. do not think that a debate is died because people are still pondering or formulating a decent reply.

And i relpied about the popcorn didn't I ? I just did so in a Private Message so i didn't litter up the topic with loads of one sentance replies.(emoticons are different, and anyway, I used 2)

[GroobySteven]

Mr Seanchai, by the way, I wrote you something but, as usual, nobody bothers to reply to my messages.

I read your message but didn't see anything that needed replying to or answering to? If you had a direct question then be all means ask.
seanchai

Well, I gave you and the other producers some ideas, I was thinking that you may have had a view on what I wrote.

Hi
I'm not trying to be obtuse or rude but the idea of putting the cameras in a room and controlling it from a room, is really pretty weak and wouldn't work (for our style) which is quite invasive and gonzo style - and has other producers noted, often you "go with the flow". You'd be creating a more fly on the wall sort of thing, which if you look at the many chat rooms with cameras you can watch, gets quite dull.
The point of having a director is to direct and certainly the better ones know how to get the most of the models and need to verbally command/direct them as they go.

Also many people have a pre-conceived notion of shoots being something of a Boogie Nights crew. Model porn rarely works like this. You usually have the performers in the room - and one or two cameramen - whom are also the directors and the lighting, sound comes from the cameras. So if we were shooting a guy with a tgirl - there might be as few as three people on set. It would be rare even to have a makeup person or gopher - the budgets are lower than every and everyone can produce a porn movie.

seanchai

[tg4me]

Sorry I'm late for the disscussion....
As a 20+ year member of the fetish scene, I find this comparison of b&d/SM to todays porn facials to be unrelated.
I will give the producers a break. You want to show proof of a 'happy ending' and if uncovered I guess ya have to do something.
That long ago became the standard- pull out and cum everywhere. Recently we have taken it to a pure humiliaton level. Not a girl smiling and saying yum (like Wifey) but hold open her eye a shoot it in there. Or... make her puke then sit around and laugh AT her.
All part of the jackass/ghetto culture where women are bitches and whores. It's become popular and it's even now in our porn. I'm so sad when I hear young people using nigga, and the above examples as everyday langauge.

There are many different porn highways out there. You don't see a lot of gay sex on tg sites. The spankers are on their own road and they don't really share with the SM sites either. The non-nude teen sites also have their path. I'm sure you can find animals as well. That's why I don't think it's related.

Rough sex can be hot. I like both sides of it. But we have seen a shift where the girl is abused, humiliated and does not look like she's having fun. It's the same mentality as Jackass like stunts. Pissing someone off is fun. Yesterday I heard a radio station play a game. Sit at a LH turn during rush hour. Don't move when the light turns green. See how many people honk their horns and get pissed off. To me that's fucked up.

-

[DimitriWolfe]

I think DimitriWolfe would agree that in his new DVD, which in all other aspects is excellent, the model wasn't expecting to have her head shoved down and held there - and looked unconfortable in the DVD and not over happy with having that done ...


Yes, this is a very rough movie. There is no way around that fact, but no harder than what is coming out of Brazil. I think the difference is that Thai ladyboys are just not used to such rough sex.

Pretty much all of the models were throat gagged in that movie. 1 or 2 of them didn't like it, but they knew it was going to be VERY hardcore before they walked in the room.

With that said, that movie was not just made by us picking up random ladyboys and dragging them to the room without them having a clue what was to happen. Each model was carefully selected and it was discussed in great detail what was going to happen once the cameras were rolling. I have worked with each of them before and knew who to approach when we decided to make this movie. We did not just bring the in for a hardcore shoot and do all of this to them.

What did happen is a few of them *thought* they were up for it and a few times we had to stop rolling because they could not handle it. It was too hard, they gave me the signal that we agreed upon, and we stopped. We took a break and I asked them if they wanted to continue and they did. So as rough as it is, like LA porn, it was done with care and was not reckless. In fact 3 of the 4 have called me since and want to do it again. One thing is for sure, each one of those models learned something about themselves that day. They truly learned their limits.

However, it was a very difficult movie to make with Thai ladyboys and I doubt there will be a #2 to that movie, but there will be a "Double Stuffed LATIN Transsexuals" coming soon. For Asians, we have already moved onto "normal" movies that are not so rough but are very themed oriented.

I like all kinds of sex, as do many other people and we shoot what gets us off. That means you will see all kinds of scenes from us, just as you see different types of scenes in the "Little Asian Transsexuals" series that I shoot. I want to see them tore up just as much as I want to see them shine and look like superstars in soft lights.

My old man used to say that there is a nut for every bolt. This also holds true to porn.

[dbev]

Mr Seanchai, by the way, I wrote you something but, as usual, nobody bothers to reply to my messages.

I read your message but didn't see anything that needed replying to or answering to? If you had a direct question then be all means ask.
seanchai

Well, I gave you and the other producers some ideas, I was thinking that you may have had a view on what I wrote.

Hi
I'm not trying to be obtuse or rude but the idea of putting the cameras in a room and controlling it from a room, is really pretty weak and wouldn't work (for our style) which is quite invasive and gonzo style - and has other producers noted, often you "go with the flow". You'd be creating a more fly on the wall sort of thing, which if you look at the many chat rooms with cameras you can watch, gets quite dull.
The point of having a director is to direct and certainly the better ones know how to get the most of the models and need to verbally command/direct them as they go.

Also many people have a pre-conceived notion of shoots being something of a Boogie Nights crew. Model porn rarely works like this. You usually have the performers in the room - and one or two cameramen - whom are also the directors and the lighting, sound comes from the cameras. So if we were shooting a guy with a tgirl - there might be as few as three people on set. It would be rare even to have a makeup person or gopher - the budgets are lower than every and everyone can produce a porn movie.

seanchai

Well, with modern remotely controlled cameras, it may be different.

What do you think of the creative side of my ideas? That is, summarising, put the women in charge and let them do what they like?

[tg4me]

so Mr producer, could you give me your opinion on why the market has developed to the point that your willing to invest in this type of movie.(i'm not implying it's wrong to do so. just wondering if there was the same market 10 years ago )
Who is the hairy guy with the wig on Pattaya thumbs that has gone from fucking them hard... to taking lipstick and writing slut and whore over their backs?
How about some opinions from you and others on what CAUSED the culture shift to make this becme mainstream porn?

[Vicki Richter]

It is probably because women are so powerful over men in almost every aspect of their lives. However, men still seek their primal roles as dominants who take what they want, how they want. I think enough men are upset about this, even if they don't know it, that it has created a huge market for seeing women out of control and being used as fuck objects during sex.

Yes there is a total opposite, and many of the men are into shemales because of that opposite. They like being submissive and being taken, filled with cock, etc. Anyone who doesn't admit it is submissive to get stuffed with anything in their ass, or to swallow cum is lying.

Also... Another big secret is that porn causes this never ending fantasy drain. For those of us involved in it, eventually it will take away almost all of our fantasies. In order to create new fantasies, we need thing more extreme and off the wall to make sex interesting.

I was talking to a director within the past few months (not mine), and he was telling me how shemales used to be a big fantasy for him, but now he's moved on to more extreme things. He was longing for the days when just fucking a girl in the ass or pussy was a turn on and I think legitimately regretful that he'd been taken so far by boredom caused by the industry and repitition.

This "new" aggressive sex scene will overtake the shemale genre in the US, just like it has mainstream porn. Evil Angel have been doing it for awhile, Joey is the good cop who lets shemales fuck up boys, and Nacho and Rocco are the bad cops where shemales get fucked up.

[thombergeron]

This may be a bit far afield from the discussion at hand, but I think it’s important to note that there certainly is a connection between violent media and aggressive behavior. The interaction is complex and not well understood, but it exists and has been empirically observed in numerous studies. See SB Boeringer for a recent study of violent pornography and Neil Malamuth at UCLA for a meta-analysis on the subject.

Current thinking is that violent pornography doesn’t necessarily produce aggressive sexual behavior by itself, but rather acts as an enabling mechanism for pre-existing aggressive tendencies that might otherwise have been moderated or repressed.

I wouldn’t go so far as to say the evidence merits regulation of pornography, obviously, but it is compelling enough that producers should be aware of and take responsibility for the implications of what they create.

[GroobySteven]

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What do you think of the creative side of my ideas? That is, summarising, put the women in charge and let them do what they like?
An interesting social experiment but a horrible business plan. Men know what men like to see. Most TS's would shoot some horrible styliest, glamouress sort of diva porn - even the ones who work well as escorts don't always know what men are looking for. People like Ms. Williams, Ms. Jet and Ms. Richter are the exception in the TS porn world as they seem to have more of mindset of what men want to see (or they are just horny buggers).

seanchai

[GroobySteven]

I think DimitriWolfe would agree that in his new DVD, which in all other aspects is excellent, the model wasn't expecting to have her head shoved down and held there - and looked unconfortable in the DVD and not over happy with having that done ...


Yes, this is a very rough movie. There is no way around that fact, but no harder than what is coming out of Brazil. I think the difference is that Thai ladyboys are just not used to such rough sex.

Pretty much all of the models were throat gagged in that movie. 1 or 2 of them didn't like it, but they knew it was going to be VERY hardcore before they walked in the room.

With that said, that movie was not just made by us picking up random ladyboys and dragging them to the room without them having a clue what was to happen. Each model was carefully selected and it was discussed in great detail what was going to happen once the cameras were rolling. I have worked with each of them before and knew who to approach when we decided to make this movie. We did not just bring the in for a hardcore shoot and do all of this to them.

What did happen is a few of them *thought* they were up for it and a few times we had to stop rolling because they could not handle it. It was too hard, they gave me the signal that we agreed upon, and we stopped. We took a break and I asked them if they wanted to continue and they did. So as rough as it is, like LA porn, it was done with care and was not reckless. In fact 3 of the 4 have called me since and want to do it again. One thing is for sure, each one of those models learned something about themselves that day. They truly learned their limits.

However, it was a very difficult movie to make with Thai ladyboys and I doubt there will be a #2 to that movie, but there will be a "Double Stuffed LATIN Transsexuals" coming soon. For Asians, we have already moved onto "normal" movies that are not so rough but are very themed oriented.

I like all kinds of sex, as do many other people and we shoot what gets us off. That means you will see all kinds of scenes from us, just as you see different types of scenes in the "Little Asian Transsexuals" series that I shoot. I want to see them tore up just as much as I want to see them shine and look like superstars in soft lights.

My old man used to say that there is a nut for every bolt. This also holds true to porn.


What an incredibly frank and open dialogue Dimitri, thank you so much for giving those of us not on the shoot, an inside look and your right, the Thai girls definately would not have experienced it like that before.
I loved the DVD apart from those "gagging" scenes - but your right, it was discussed beforehand so even though they might not have known entirely what to expect, they were expecting something. I'm really looking forward to more content from this company - among to slew of generic Thai titles that seem to have came out recently.

Thanks for such a great posting.

seanchai

ps - look for an email

[GroobySteven]

It is probably because women are so powerful over men in almost every aspect of their lives. However, men still seek their primal roles as dominants who take what they want, how they want. I think enough men are upset about this, even if they don't know it, that it has created a huge market for seeing women out of control and being used as fuck objects during sex.

Yes there is a total opposite, and many of the men are into shemales because of that opposite. They like being submissive and being taken, filled with cock, etc. Anyone who doesn't admit it is submissive to get stuffed with anything in their ass, or to swallow cum is lying.

Also... Another big secret is that porn causes this never ending fantasy drain. For those of us involved in it, eventually it will take away almost all of our fantasies. In order to create new fantasies, we need thing more extreme and off the wall to make sex interesting.

I was talking to a director within the past few months (not mine), and he was telling me how shemales used to be a big fantasy for him, but now he's moved on to more extreme things. He was longing for the days when just fucking a girl in the ass or pussy was a turn on and I think legitimately regretful that he'd been taken so far by boredom caused by the industry and repitition.

This "new" aggressive sex scene will overtake the shemale genre in the US, just like it has mainstream porn. Evil Angel have been doing it for awhile, Joey is the good cop who lets shemales fuck up boys, and Nacho and Rocco are the bad cops where shemales get fucked up.

Exactly my thoughts. Point one that men need to demean women in these movies as a fantasy because they've lost that edge in everyday life (and going back to your animal analogy, this is how we were meant to be) - yet does this now lead to men wanting to demean women in reality - and are we caught in a circle?

Point 2: Yes I agree, all that is submissive as you are "pleasing the individual" yet so would giving head to a female - yet this isn't seen as submissive (although is she was sat on your face it may be more) - is the act of penetration the submissive part?

Point 3: Where do we end up? This is partly my issue? I'm pretty vanilla all round but regular porn doesn't do it for me - I'm looking for something more? Where am I going to end up?

These are discussions that are important to the adult industry or those supporting, supplying and buying into it. Producers need to be aware of what they are making and consumers of why they are wanting that product.

seanchai

[DimitriWolfe]

It is probably because women are so powerful over men in almost every aspect of their lives. However, men still seek their primal roles as dominants who take what they want, how they want. I think enough men are upset about this, even if they don't know it, that it has created a huge market for seeing women out of control and being used as fuck objects during sex.

Yes there is a total opposite, and many of the men are into shemales because of that opposite. They like being submissive and being taken, filled with cock, etc. Anyone who doesn't admit it is submissive to get stuffed with anything in their ass, or to swallow cum is lying.

Also... Another big secret is that porn causes this never ending fantasy drain. For those of us involved in it, eventually it will take away almost all of our fantasies. In order to create new fantasies, we need thing more extreme and off the wall to make sex interesting.

I was talking to a director within the past few months (not mine), and he was telling me how shemales used to be a big fantasy for him, but now he's moved on to more extreme things. He was longing for the days when just fucking a girl in the ass or pussy was a turn on and I think legitimately regretful that he'd been taken so far by boredom caused by the industry and repitition.

This "new" aggressive sex scene will overtake the shemale genre in the US, just like it has mainstream porn. Evil Angel have been doing it for awhile, Joey is the good cop who lets shemales fuck up boys, and Nacho and Rocco are the bad cops where shemales get fucked up.

Great post!

[dbev]

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What do you think of the creative side of my ideas? That is, summarising, put the women in charge and let them do what they like?
An interesting social experiment but a horrible business plan. Men know what men like to see. Most TS's would shoot some horrible styliest, glamouress sort of diva porn - even the ones who work well as escorts don't always know what men are looking for. People like Ms. Williams, Ms. Jet and Ms. Richter are the exception in the TS porn world as they seem to have more of mindset of what men want to see (or they are just horny buggers).

seanchai

I see your point, but don't agree.

Has anybody tried?

I think that there is a vicious circle: male producers (or some female producers) guess what male viewer want to see, and the performers deliver the action, and then the male producers guess how the male viewers are influenced.

Frankly, I believe that whatever series labelled "What women want" (and with women I mean both GGs and TGs) would be a best seller.

Give it a try!

I would also point out that the analogy presented between homo sapiens sapiens and the other animals is flawed. Ethologically speaking, it is always the female of whatever species that decides if and how to mate with the male. Desmond Morris discovered that human beings are absolutely equal to the other animals.

And early human societies, when the men were harvesters/hunters and the women were running the business using and dividing the resources, were seeing absolute equality between men and women.

The long-standing domination of men over women started with agriculture, because of the limited resources available and of the simple fact that 1 man and 10 women gives 10 children needing to be fed... while 10 men and 1 woman gives 1 child... and men didn't figure out a better way to solve this problem than segregating women because the latter where physically less powerful.

So, please, leave the animal instincts outside of the picture... other animals prove us that copulation is always consensual and done at the terms laid down by female.