Can be my friend a passable Tgirl?

[Urian]

I have a friend who says that is Transsexual but with a lot of fear because the words that is saying are things like "I won´t be passable".

Do you believe that a 24 years old person with 180cm of height and 78Kg of weight have any opportunity to be passable?

[Urian]

I forgot to put the photo.

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o138/UrianR/PHTO0004.jpg

[ILuvGurls]

must be a little nervous.

[Caleigh]

passing is NOT the same as being a hottie.

there are lots of not particularly attractive women
out there. if you end up looking like one of them
you (or your friend) can still pass quite easily.

the fact that this site is geared to models ( of a sort)
skews the whole demographic of girls who post pics
and participate in discussion.

i know a 6'3" trans woman who passes just fine, as
a VERY tall woman.

[NYCe]

passing is NOT the same as being a hottie.

there are lots of not particularly attractive women
out there. if you end up looking like one of them
you (or your friend) can still pass quite easily.

the fact that this site is geared to models ( of a sort)
skews the whole demographic of girls who post pics
and participate in discussion.

i know a 6'3" trans woman who passes just fine, as
a VERY tall woman.

Agreed.

[wendy48088]

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[popperluv]

I think you need to lose some weight in your face, you have some fat under you chin that doesn't look to fem.

[popperluv]

I think you need to lose some weight in your face, you have some fat under you chin that doesn't look to fem.

[wendy48088]

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[Caleigh]

i think all those popper hits have affected his soul

[popperluv]

Im not being cruel Im just being honest.

:cry:

You have to admit there is a little fat under the neck area.

[Alison Faraday]

Popperluv in some ways is right. Weight has to be lost before, not after. As once on HRT it's a hell of alot harder. Putting it back on slowly after HRT gains the best results. If you have a racing car you lubricate it with the best oil. If you have a body (and this is what it's about) then you feed it fruit and vegtables.

Also, passing or more so, being hot, is not a reason to be taken into consideration if they're a genuine transsexual. They either are or they aren't. And anything else is a bonus.

There's no "being nice" where the transsexual condition is being concerned. Being nice causes people significant heartache and pain later on down the line.

If you think this decision is hard then you ain't seen nothing yet. I kid you not. They have a very good chance I'll tell you that, but the real truth is that no one can give you the answers. It's a lottery and all down to their genes, and the physical effort they put in.

They've just got to go for it for the right reasons. Their next step will be a specialist psychiatrist. No one here can give out sound advice leading to a decision.

:|

[partlycloudy]

http://i15.tinypic.com/339hg7t.jpg

[MrsKellyPierce]

I would just like to say! Take make up classes or cosmetology. Learn shading techniques, how to hide and diminish flaws etc....it's useful for every transexual that hasn't had surgery.....DO IT DO IT DO IT Go to your local MAC counter or something for tips buy Kevyn Aucoin's Books! I've seen some of the manliest looking men turn their faces into some of the most beautiful woman. So no fear as long as MAC is there lol :lol:

[MrsKellyPierce]

I would just like to say! Take make up classes or cosmetology. Learn shading techniques, how to hide and diminish flaws etc....it's useful for every transexual that hasn't had surgery.....DO IT DO IT DO IT Go to your local MAC counter or something for tips buy Kevyn Aucoin's Books! I've seen some of the manliest looking men turn their faces into some of the most beautiful woman. So no fear as long as MAC is there lol :lol: And don't skimp on foundations or brushes!! The other stuff you can..

[Caleigh]

funny that alot of girls that i know hardly wear any makeup
at all. light light powder, maybe mascara, that's it. but then
this is brooklyn, they also wear sneakers all the time.

[MonsieurValentine]

next time post a picture that is blurry, so we can really make a valid assessment.

[Urian]

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[RangeHova]

Also, passing or more so, being hot, is not a reason to be taken into consideration if they're a genuine transsexual. They either are or they aren't. And anything else is a bonus.

Agreed, if in your heart you are truly a TS you will be who you feel you are meant to be regardless of being able to pass. Either you will do it or you will live your life in regret. I have a friend (drag queen) who kept telling people for many many years that her window had passed. Now at 40 she is spending every dime that she can get her hands on to get procedures done.

The difference that it has made in her life is amazing. She ain't passable and ain't particularly what most would call pretty (out of stage makeup) but just the inner peace that she now has makes a huge difference. Just the spark in her eye is like... wow. Of course she looks back at life like 'I should have done this earlier in life'. Even in her current state, I can see down the line that she will pass and be attractive.

[blackmagic]

[quote="partlycloudy"]http://i15.tinypic.com/339hg7t.jpg[/quote

Now that is cool!!! its kinda neat to see the before and after pics.

[Urian]

The problem is that we are talking about a person with social anxiety disorder

[Alison Faraday]

The problem is that we are talking about a person with social anxiety disorder

Then the answer is that they need to see a psychiatrist. Trawling through the pictures on here is quite unhealthy really where someone is looking for a diagnosis. This isn't really the place.

That honestly isn't me being cold, it's reality. If they have a social anxiety disorder now and they go through with this for the wrong reasons based on what someone says, then they'll have more than anxiety to worry about.

This site here could possibly be of benefit; http://groups.yahoo.com/group/transsexual-uk/

Hope it all works out. :)

xx

[Urian]

The problem is that we are talking about a person with social anxiety disorder

Then the answer is that they need to see a psychiatrist. Trawling through the pictures on here is quite unhealthy really where someone is looking for a diagnosis. This isn't really the place.

That honestly isn't me being cold, it's reality. If they have a social anxiety disorder now and they go through with this for the wrong reasons based on what someone says, then they'll have more than anxiety to worry about.

This site here could possibly be of benefit; http://groups.yahoo.com/group/transsexual-uk/

Hope it all works out. :)

xx

Oh well, the problem of my friend is that the psychiatrist is forcing her to make the real life test without any type of hormones and being a person with social anxiety disorder is normal that she is scared.

[Alison Faraday]

I see. Now we didn't know that. And there's only a small handful of people who are able to offer support here. And that support is time consuming and can be difficult for those that have progressed well beyond the early stages, it's in the past and deliberately forgotton, we try to forget. It is best given by those who are currently going through this with you. Who have it all fresh in their minds, and are experiencing the same things.

First off. A support structure needs to be established. For online support that would be here; http://groups.yahoo.com/group/transsexual-uk/ . Your friend HAS to join that group. As support is essential from those actually experiencing it alongside them. They understand.

I am suprised that there isn't a real life support structure in place. This is friends, family, and transgendered meeting groups. Some are provided as part of the medical treatment received. But not always. I don't know how the medical structures work over there so I can't comment. I can only draw experience from what goes on over here.

The prescription of hormones after a period of RLT is acceptable. It depends on the practitioner involved. Some will prescribe before where a solid and balanced case is presented. Some will prescribe after a period of RLT. But this is common accepted practice. It kind of emphasizes how dangerous this condition is, both socially and physically. It can cause incredible heartache when diagnosed incorrectly. It has to be right.

It is very important that they join that Yahoo group, as that will be a starting point for the support they need. It's difficult, so what they're experiencing right now isn't out of the ordinary. They're reacting in no way different to anyone else. They're maybe just applying layman's terms to what they're feeling.

There is NOTHING wrong in the way they are reacting. It is quite normal. Which is why they need others around them.

They have to do this right, and in some respects they have to block everyone and everything else out. There must be no browsing sites like this and trawling the web for adult reassurences. Alot of it has to come from within and it takes sheer selfish determination. Looking at pictures of successful and stunning transsexuals has to be about the worst and most soul destroying things anyone could do.

Second off. They have to lose weight and focus on their body, that's my view really given what they wish to achieve. They have to, period. It will also enable them to focus on their own situation and blank out everything around them. They have to focus on the task at hand, and focus on where they're going.

All in all, they just have to join that Yahoo group and take it from there. It will give them support that they need.

I'm not sure what else to say. By coming here we can point you in the right direction, but this is by no means a support group.

I really do hope it all works out. And it will :) This isn't me wrapping up the post with a closing and final dismissive statement. We can only offer the very minimal support and there's only a handful of people that are in a position to offer that.

Yahoo is a good place to start out. They simply have to join that yahoo group. It'll take a couple of days to get accepted and they will thoroughly check your yahoo profile and any links out. The group is very heavily moderated and controlled. It is a safe place. The questions they ask you have to be answered. And answer in the manner of, "I agree to the terms of the Data Protection Act," as opposed to "I agree." That will get you in as soon as possible without any hold ups.

I truly do hope it all works out. Let me know when you've joined the group and are in? Do it now. :)

Aly xx

[peggygee]

They have to do this right, and in some respects they have to block everyone and everything else out. There must be no browsing sites like this and trawling the web for adult reassurences. Alot of it has to come from within and it takes sheer selfish determination. Looking at pictures of successful and stunning transsexuals has to be about the worst and most soul destroying things anyone could do.

Second off. They have to lose weight and focus on their body, that's my view really given what they wish to achieve. They have to, period. It will also enable them to focus on their own situation and blank out everything around them. They have to focus on the task at hand, and focus on where they're going.

All in all, they just have to join that Yahoo group and take it from there. It will give them support that they need.

I'm not sure what else to say. By coming here we can point you in the right direction, but this is by no means a support group.


I truly do hope it all works out. Let me know when you've joined the group and are in? Do it now. :)

Aly xx

Alison, I agree with you that while often-times, helpful and insightful
information can be found on this forum, this perhaps may not be the
best place for a woman just beginning her transition.

Rather there are a number of predominantly transwomen run, and
nurturing sites that can help the novice.

As you have alluded to transitioning is a very difficult proposition, ideally
you are receiving support from those in your shoes or that have gone
before you.

On the weight issue, I can't give a firm assessment. Hopefully, HRT
will aid in fat re-distribution and allow a more feminine physique
to develop.

Good luck.