Sadomasochism Genre

[Legend]

Do you think people who have been raped or molested before are more likely to accept that as the norm?

I'm just trying to figure out that sort of market,what's the thrill of seeing someone else dominated and humilated,is it some sort of metaphor or just a sick fantasy.

I know it's a personal preference but you have to draw the line somewhere even in porn.Why is that genre so accepted?

[Kriss]

Good thread Legend. I have thought a lot about this subject due to the experiences and preferences of partners and friends and have many long winded theories. short answer YES. long answer YES, BUT. Extended pontifications to come..................

But to stir it up a bit.....
Many dominatrixes have experience of rape
Many submissives have experience of rape
Thier experiences directly shape and lead to particular sexual tastes

:popcorn

[Master_A]

i think it depends on the victim.

but i do have a friend who was molested when she was 4, she opened up to me allot and said she wants to loose her virginity by having hard and rough sex, and she wants to have a guy force her legs apart, i told her it sounds boarder line rape but she said whatever it seems fun, which is odd given she is 22 and never even made herself cum and guys freak her out.

she also said she only wants that like half the time, the other half she wants to be in control.

[Caleigh]

i'm no psych but it sounds like your friend has some stuff that she still needs to work though before she goes having sex with anyone.

to be able to re-live to some degree a moment of powerlessness like being sexually assaulted but now being the one who is really in control (by choosing the time, place, partner etc.) would be a very empowering thing.

i think that the saddest thing is that from best guesses about 25% of women have been sexually abused/assaulted before they are 21.

speaking for myself, i have never been sexually abused or assaulted (that i remember) and yet for about a decade i was very involved in the BDSM community in Toronto. i enjoy both the power exchange and the physical sensations of pain (within reason) mixed with pleasure.

[Master_A]

lol, yeah she will work through, the same day bush says he is a dumb ass red neck war monger who only went to iraq to steal oil, on the same day macdonalds admits its kids meal is only to suck in the young kids so they become fat adults who eat there everyday.

[suckseed]

It's a mixed bag. I've had several lovers who love to be tied up who've never been abused. I've done it too, and I've never been abused. I've also had lovers who were abused who never mentioned wanting anything but vanilla sex.
It's too easy to make a blanket statement or generalization I think.
Here, fill in this sentence: ALL transexuals are ______.
Or ALL Americans are __________. See what I mean?

Several articles I've read say that in a culture where we're supposed to be civilized, the attraction of BDSM is that civility can be suspended and men can be aggressive and women can be submissive. If it's consensual, it's a highly satisfying way to play. If it's not, then yes, it can be a way for an abusive asshole to work over someone.
In light of the recent thread, I would add that knowing someone did not enjoy herself would take all the appeal out of seeing a rough sex scene. I'm sure most people into BDSM (which is different than being into rough sex anyway) would agree.

[Jericho]

Do you think people who have been raped or molested before are more likely to accept that as the norm?

No
No and yes...sometimes.
The question's too broad for a single answer.

But, what does that have to do with sadomasochistic fantasy?

IMO, nothing, they're not related.
One's a crime, the other's a fantasy - The vast majority of people can separate the two.

To direct the question back to you, is the violence in anime/manga
more acceptable than other forms of cinematic violence?


Many dominatrixes have experience of rape
Many submissives have experience of rape
Their experiences directly shape and lead to particular sexual tastes

Many people have experience of office blocks.
Their experiences directly shape and lead to particular tastes in
curry.

Sorry, that dog don't hunt ;-)


I'm just trying to figure out that sort of market,what's the thrill of seeing someone else dominated and humilated,is it some sort of metaphor or just a sick fantasy.

What's the thrill of sniffing shoes?
What's the thrill of jerking off with a lap full of baked beans?
What's the thrill of amputation and stumpy sexy?

Damned if i know......but sure as shit, whatever you define as
'normal', someone else, somewhere, will define as sick and perverted.

[Kriss]

Many people have experience of office blocks.
Their experiences directly shape and lead to particular tastes in
curry.Sorry, that dog don't hunt ;

Offices, curry, hunting dogs? You have some WEIRD sexual fantasies Jericho :wink:

[Jericho]

offices, curry, hunting dogs? You have some WEIRD sexual fantasies Jericho :wink:

Yaaaaaassssssss...but only on Mondays.
The rest of the week, it's t-girls! :lol:

[Legend]

I get the impression from the posts here that most likey but not in all cases they form some type of sick twisted sexual prefrence because it somehow gives them control.

[Kriss]

I get the impression from the posts here that most likey but not in all cases they form some type of sick twisted sexual prefrence because it somehow gives them control.

Woah there Legend, Let the thread develop, this one is a 5 bagger at least and I got 'nuff to add yet

[suckseed]

I get the impression you didn't get that impression from anything we said, Legend. But the more immediate question is what happened to your family Guy/Take On Me avatar? I really liked that one!

[Legend]

I get the impression you didn't get that impression from anything we said, Legend. But the more immediate question is what happened to your family Guy/Take On Me avatar? I really liked that one!

I tried to respond to all the post at once which was a mistake but arianna has posted something that i have to take in.


About the avatar the server no longer was hosting it and i couldn't find it online.

[Vicki Richter]

http://www.jerkoffzone.com/divx/gf/#gf23

I don't think that most who watch this stuff would classify it as sadomasichism. Somehow, it is selling enough that 23 movies of it have sold. These girls are working for $1,000 or less, sometimes $700.

First you have to define sadism or masochism because I think there could be a lot of different interpretations.

[elo]

Ariana and Vicky BEWARE!!!It is dangerous to bend over when i´m around.lmao :moon

[Legend]

http://www.jerkoffzone.com/divx/gf/#gf23

I don't think that most who watch this stuff would classify it as sadomasichism. Somehow, it is selling enough that 23 movies of it have sold. These girls are working for $1,000 or less, sometimes $700.

First you have to define sadism or masochism because I think there could be a lot of different interpretations.

Holy shit that page would make anyone cringe,the way i defined sadism is people who like taking pain and masochism is enjoyment by domiantion, as what that whole other thread was about.

So vicki do you think having a past that involves some sort of abuse or rape reflect the enjoyment of that genre the reason i ask you personally is because your acknowledgement of being in those type of films.

[Legend]

Bump

[elo]

What does bump mean.Iread this quite often on the board,but i just don´t get it.Same for:...

[Somedude21]

"..." Means silence. Usually to express displeasure or surprise at idiocy. And "Bump" means that you're raising a thead to the top of the board again so people can start reading it once more, and hopefully to garner some new replies.

[elo]

Thanks Somedude21.

[blackmagic]

I get the impression from the posts here that most likey but not in all cases they form some type of sick twisted sexual prefrence because it somehow gives them control.

It’s sick when someone’s raped, and or it ventures into pedophilia. Any and most S&M is volunteered and people do it for the thrill, ive always loved the BDSM scene, never thought it was sick. But domination has its glory, when your dominating over someone it gives you the thrill of being in control and controlling there lives.

[suckseed]

Yeah, as someone occasionally into mixing a little bondage into the bedroom, I'm quick to back off when the woman wants to be slapped. I've never hit a woman in my life and hope never to do so.

[blackmagic]

ive always loved the BDSM scene, never thought it was sick.Bondage and domination do not necessarily cross over into sadism and masochism. S&M are about very real, physical pain. B&D could be about humiliation or having your hands tied.

LMAO i know the pain ive got 2 nice brandings on my body to show i know the pain :lol:

[BeardedOne]

Do you think people who have been raped or molested before are more likely to accept that as the norm?

Though I can't speak for the species as a whole, I did make the disturbing discovery/connection that most, if not all, of my GG lovers had been raped or mollested at some point and many of them had eventually gotten into BDSM/bondage/role-play relationships. Whether or not there is a direct connection between the two, I can't say for certain, but the math points that way.


I get the impression from the posts here that most likey but not in all cases they form some type of sick twisted sexual prefrence because it somehow gives them control.

'Sick twisted' is relative to the culture/sub-culture. We like 'chix-with-dix', how do you think society, as a whole, views us?

As to the control issue, yes, that is part of =some= of the genre. It's an exchange of power. The frilly secretary lords over the powerful CEO for an afternoon. Even if sex isn't involved (It often is not), that's one enormous rush. Tweak it with a sexual content and it's fucking mind-blowing.

On the domination/humiliation by a T-gurl thought: One gurl slapped me hard in the face with her T-clit and ordered me to suck on it (Like she had to ask/order :shrug ) and while I did so, I surely didn't give her the expected reaction. Clearly, this is something a fair number of her clients ask for/expect. In later visits, this practice was toned down or set aside, as she could see that the humiliation/agressive/whatever thing just didn't fly on my dime, but I could see that I was an exception to the rule.

[peggygee]

I get approached by a fair amount of men who have *cathected (*a psych term) humiliation and/or submission into their sexual appetites. Many times these desires can't be pinpointed to any one single life-experience, although it is commonly thought that they begin at a pre-speech age. For example, if a person has a thing for submission to heels; some research indicates that, as a toddler, the shoe fetishist has eroticized heels as the likely result of being ground-level, and the relationship developed with the primary mother/maternal/female figure in their life. The earliest familiar relationships (as in the word "family"), and whatever the "brain" has been imprinted with at this formative stage, determines much of how we approach life; especially on the most primal of levels, including lust. Imo, rape fantasy is likely to be traced to events of extreme violation in those formative years. But this is all pop psychology, as I hold no degree.

Damn girl you are sexy when you espouse Freudian dogma. :wink:

But as to someone tying me up, hitting me or humiliating me, if they
don't mind getting knocked the fuck out they are welcome to try.

It's not really my cup of tea. :smh

Now me doing it someone else, well there is a fair modicum of dominatrix
in me.

:twisted:

[blackmagic]

I'm curious about what motivated you to get branded? I'm heavily tattooed and know that pain extremely well. But I get absolutely no satisfaction from the pain side of it; although I have a high threshold of pain and can ignore most of it. But imo many body mod people are more masochistic than they often realize, and try to associate some kind of pretentious mysticism with it. Personally, I don't buy into that.

uhhh first branding was kinda odd, considering I went to a christian prep school and some of the guys had crosses tattooed on there arms, while I pretty much despise tattooing since its not permanent, me and about 8 others branded each other with a 4x3 in cross, Funny though, I regret ever having it done do to the fact that I don’t believe in that bullshitting theology anymore.

the other branding was recognition for me beating my dad to death, well he almost died but everyone heard about it, and my friends started calling me LOCO (crazy) So with that I received the nickname LOCO and one fucked up night I had the words LOCO burnt into my upper chest vertically.

Im not much for pain, when I had some laser hair removal that alone made me cry.

LOL wish I could have shown you the star I had in my chest a few months back, That FUCKING HURT!!!!! (What motivated me to get that was seeing my friend kayce having hearts put in her chest, so I thought id try it out see what it looks like)

[chefmike]

I'm curious about what motivated you to get branded? I'm heavily tattooed and know that pain extremely well. But I get absolutely no satisfaction from the pain side of it; although I have a high threshold of pain and can ignore most of it. But imo many body mod people are more masochistic than they often realize, and try to associate some kind of pretentious mysticism with it. Personally, I don't buy into that.

uhhh first branding was kinda odd, considering I went to a christian prep school and some of the guys had crosses tattooed on there arms, while I pretty much despise tattooing since its not permanent, me and about 8 others branded each other with a 4x3 in cross, Funny though, I regret ever having it done do to the fact that I don’t believe in that bullshitting theology anymore.

the other branding was recognition for me beating my dad to death, well he almost died but everyone heard about it, and my friends started calling me LOCO (crazy) So with that I received the nickname LOCO and one fucked up night I had the words LOCO burnt into my upper chest vertically.

Im not much for pain, when I had some laser hair removal that alone made me cry.

LOL wish I could have shown you the star I had in my chest a few months back, That FUCKING HURT!!!!! (What motivated me to get that was seeing my friend kayce having hearts put in her chest, so I thought id try it out see what it looks like)

WOW....

LEE HARVEY!!

ROCK ON!!!

I WANNA PARTY WITH YOU DUDE!!!

:rock2 :screwy :rock2 :screwy :rock2

[blackmagic]

I pretty much despise tattooing since its not permanent It's not? Wow. You could've fooled me. ;-)

LMAO!! http://www.patient-info.com/tattoo.htm


Wait a minute. Let me get this straight. You almost beat your dad to death, and were proud enough of that to get the word "LOCO" branded into your flesh to commemorate the event? But what if your friends starting calling you a "jackass" or "fag"?

LOL! i did some wild stuff before that, and well thats not something you regularly do when your 17, LOL my friends have called me a fag since junior high, doesnt bug me at all, as for getting that branded on me.............. id do it.......... if i added some words to it :D



Ahhh. You mean like body mod surgical implants, I assume? Like that Lizard guy n' shit?

yep


Wait a minute. Are you the same "Black Magic" who's been bugging TSnTX?

pshhhhhh jennifer is the one who kept following every god damn post i made and made an insulting response to every thing i said, I finally got pissed and took things to the next level. anyways fuck that, im not messin with her anymore, let her say what she wants im not gonna stoop down to her level.

[blackmagic]

If you feel tattoos are not permanent enough, simply because a laser can remove them, why stop at branding? I mean, a plastic surgeon could repair a silly little branding, right? So where's the permanence in that?

scaring can never be removed, not even with plastic surgery, and or the use of silicon for burn victims, I have a scar on my right arm well its the size of a quarter because I got a hook stuck in it and had my flesh torn to pieces deep sea fishing but Ive had the scar removed 2 times just to make the skin look natural and you can still see the scaring


But would you consider voluntarily getting body parts amputated? That might be an attractive look, and it would build a lot character too.

There’s one body part that I might as well have amputated and that’s my nuts because I was too stupid to realize the long term side effects of taking anti androgens. Id probably also look into having my lower left rib removed do to fact I was born missing a rib on my right side (make things even :wink: )

[blackmagic]

LOL my friends have called me a fag since junior high, doesnt bug me at all, as for getting that branded on me.............. id do it.......... if i added some words to it :D You mean like "I'm a total..."?

LMAO na, "one crazy......."?

[blackmagic]

There’s one body part that I might as well have amputated and that’s my nuts because I was too stupid to realize the long term side effects of taking anti androgens.Did you take Androcur? You wanted to be a TS?

i took propecia lol, no im not a TS i would kill myself if any traits of breast or hips formed. I like being a dude and will die a dude.

[Kriss]

Bondage and domination do not necessarily cross over into sadism and masochism. S&M are about very real, physical pain. B&D could be about humiliation or having your hands tied.

O.k. I get this, B & D I quite like . S & M? Definately no S.


Yeah, as someone occasionally into mixing a little bondage into the bedroom, I'm quick to back off when the woman wants to be slapped. I've never hit a woman in my life and hope never to do so.

This is interesting. I personally quite like a girl to slap my ass and face While she fucks me but I cannot bring myself to slap a womans face. Just can't do it however much a girl may enjoy a light slap as part of sex/role play. Every girl seems to like a little spank on the bum and I can do that although it gives me no thrill at all except to see her pleasured reaction. One Ex used to enjoy being forced, etc and would ask me to slap her face, Just couldn't do it. First it would feel totally wrong to me, even as mild dom/role play. Secondly, this girl's taste for rough, very forceful sex was directly due to her early sexual experiences, Raped twice in early teens and possibly in childhood. This was something that she had hidden from her previous partner of 10 years, afraid of being seen as "damaged goods". At times she would instigate arguments to provoke an aggressive reaction from me, she could never make me actaully lash out physically, but if I finally shouted at her, like really shouted, she would be glowing with pleasure, getting a 'release' from it like she did when I slapped her ass. This really disturbed me that she would literally try to provoke violence and I felt that encouraging and feeding these desires would be perpetuating a bad self image, rooted deep in her subconcsious. Incidentally this girl wasn't into dominating me so we never really did that, managed to kind of work through her desires, and have a decent sex life, when I found out how she liked the dirty talking, that could give her some of the release she sought.


Regardless, power is an aphrodisiac, and can tap into the libidinal drive in many ways.

Women have all the power, and that's how it should be. sometimes us guys like to just lay back and be fucked. Kinda selfish and lazy yet there is a pleasure to being used FOR a womans pleasure, to see a girl getting pleasure for HERSELF, basically using us like disposable sex toys. That's good. A woman being used? No way, that's bad. I guess I got some kind of 'female worship issues' thing going on. :shrug Is it becuase i had no sisters Dr Freud?


The earliest familiar relationships (as in the word "family"), and whatever the "brain" has been imprinted with at this formative stage, determines much of how we approach life; especially on the most primal of levels, including lust.

Now the face slapping thing is a weird one and I do like it from the right girl. Always wondered why this is and very recently I remembered a long forgotten incident. 12 years old, I was wasting the evening in the local park , as you do, an older girl , maybe 14 (& this girl was a SLUT) came over to the swing where i was sat and rubbed her tits(& she was DEVELOPED) in my face, slapped my face 3 or 4 times, more tits in the face, then she walked off! :shock: Now this made my 12 year old dick very hard :oops: and now I think it is just possible that it has influenced my sexual desires. Well it bloody obviously had although I only remembered this incident very recently. I forgot what a little fucker I was.

[TJT]

I've been a Dom my entire adult life. I was bully from about 10 to 14,too. Those I think are related

It's something inside,IMO. I can almost smell a sub. When you're a bully you can spot the kids you're going to pick on before you know a a damned thing about them? It's a chemical thing. It's like sexual attraction but it's different,predator/prey maybe?

I've never been raped,BTW,but I've run into a lot of folks in the scene who have.

[Kriss]

P.M.?

[blackmagic]

Death before emasculation, eh? ;-)

:shock: having my nuts taken out. i dont think id really to much care, let alone id still be a man so i wouldnt kill myself over something like that LOL. :wink: but in the case i ever did develope breast and or hips and that shit. Id just break into a vet and over dose on some sodium pentothal ( take the easy way ) :D


So tell us more about when you almost killed your dad. Was it pre-meditated? Did he get pissed about your branding and/or implant hobbies? Did he try to make you wear a tutu or something? ;-) What the hell happened?

Its not that big of a deal, I was mudding, (off roading with my truck) and had 4 people in it, 2 in the cab with me and 2 in the bed, both in the cab where wearing there seat belts......... and I flew over a huge hill, and didn’t get a chance to see the drop off, and took a nose dive into the mud, well....... those 2 guys in the back went flying threw my back window all the way threw the front and into the mud, I pretty much almost killed them both. So......................... after caring for them both and running them to the hospital, after all was said and done, my dad said he was taking my truck away, I said how the fuck do I get to school, he said your going to have to figure that out..... I got up in his face about it explaining that im a safe driver and all and finally I guess my "hormones" got the best of me and I head butted him and he thought he could take me but things didn’t work out so well for him, although I do recall him breaking my nose. But that’s what happened with that.

My dad doesn’t give a shit, me and my brothers made it clear, we do what we want, when we want and however the fuck we want. So he backs off, doesn’t talk to me hardly anymore................ "Yes it’s true he made me wear a tutu, not only that, he made me dress in drag and be his little fuck slut" :wink:


And btw, what's all this about the devil and black magic? I thought you went to Catholic school. Are you a Satan worshiper or something? :wink:

LMAO catholic schools hardly exist here, my school was non denominational, LOL after dropping out of high school I went to Christ for the nations and received my associates in biblical studies, after understanding and studying about 40 different bullshitting religions I said what the fuck this shit is all made up by man and for the weak minded who cant comprehend life and its sorrows, I said fuck this and dumped my religion. LOL na not a devil worshiper im staying clear of all the BS. (Agnostic) :twisted: http://www.jesusdressup.com/ :twisted: