Is there a point.....?

[Jennifer_English]

Hi :O)

I've been thinking about this a while (who knows why!)

Is there a point where a TS becomes so utterly convincing that the attraction is lost....?

Do any of you guys..... prefer your TS partners/fantasy partners to still have some small visible reminder that reminds you 'she' used to be a 'he' ?

If not.... then hypothetically if you slept with a totally passable post-op...what is it that turns you on is it TG related in your mind or not ?

[Jennifer_English]

LOL - thats not really what i was gettin at..

xx

[Jennifer_English]

I was more trying to understand what motivates u guys sexually.... and if there was some sort of crossover point where the attraction is lost because the experience is so like normal hetro sex..

[Fox]

There's no limit for me as far as passability. I mean, I love TSs because I see them regular women (with one minor biological difference). I don't mind if she's not 100% convincing, just as long as when I see her I don't see a dude in makeup and high heels (nothing wrong with it, just not my thing).

So yeah, in my mind, I'm not thinking "Damn, that is one hot TS!" instead "Damn, that is one hot chick!" As long as you're a woman, I don't care what's between your legs. 8)

[Kabuki]

Hi :O)

I've been thinking about this a while (who knows why!)

Is there a point where a TS becomes so utterly convincing that the attraction is lost....?

Do any of you guys..... prefer your TS partners/fantasy partners to still have some small visible reminder that reminds you 'she' used to be a 'he' ?

If not.... then hypothetically if you slept with a totally passable post-op...what is it that turns you on is it TG related in your mind or not ?


I think some people would be turned on by the fact that they know their partner was born a male...or turned on by the fact that everyone around him doesn't know the truth about his partner. Just a quick thought.

I don't personally need a reminder of my partners origins. I would like to think that I would be attracted to all of her. Not just the fact that she has a cock. And since I'm into long-term relationships, I wouldn't care if she wanted SRS. If I was in a long-term relationship with her, I would want to support her decisions in life. I would want her to be happy. Does that make any sense? With or without balls and a cock...she's still a woman to me.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Good question girl, something I have wondered myself. Especially after a guy making are you attracted to Hairy Legs thread.

[Jennifer_English]

[quote="Fox"So yeah, in my mind, I'm not thinking "Damn, that is one hot TS!" instead "Damn, that is one hot chick!" As long as you're a woman, I don't care what's between your legs. 8)[/quote]

hey :rock2 :O)

People with open minds like you make life worth bein' in.... you could never imagine ( not looking for sympthany! - dont worry!) what it feels like to grow up feeling alone/trapped etc yada yada... anyways...i think that peeps who think like you.. (i think i can speak for the friends i know at least) bighten our lives.... and give hope for us and for the future and a happy and fulfilling life

[olite71]

The problem with this thread is that it presents a "false choice." There is no point. A person wants a TS or they don't. Degrees of "TS" is another question.

If they want a "more female TS" or "less female TS" is too impossible to ever quantify.

What most men want is someone who compliments them...gratifies their vanity, if you will...the rest is gift store details. You tell a man he's a "big man" a "sexy dude" or "all you ever wanted" and he'll pant in quiet satisfaction and purr the rest of the night...

Most men are trying to avoid being a piss ant...to avoid being the object of orders...so cock, cunt, tits, ass,....in the grand scheme it doesn't matter...men want to be glorified--and if you can do that, then you've got all men on their knees.

[Jennifer_English]

The problem with this thread is that it presents a "false choice." There is no point. A person wants a TS or they don't. Degrees of "TS" is another question.

If they want a "more female TS" or "less female TS" is too impossible to ever quantify.

What most men want is someone who compliments them...gratifies their vanity, if you will...the rest is gift store details. You tell a man he's a "big man" a "sexy dude" or "all you ever wanted" and he'll pant in quiet satisfaction and purr the rest of the night...

Most men are trying to avoid being a piss ant...to avoid being the object of orders...so cock, cunt, tits, ass,....in the grand scheme it doesn't matter...men want to be glorified--and if you can do that, then you've got all men on their knees.

*signs up for Glorification A_levels*....

[luv4Tgirls]

Well Ms. English,

Very good question I agree with what Fox said. I think wow what a beautiful woman, the fact that there is something hanging, doesn't matter to me. In fact now I think that is better. In your case you are incrediablly beautiful that why wouldn't anyone want to spend time with you. :oops:

[suckseed]

For what it's worth, the sexiest woman I've ever fucked was a transexual.
She had the best body, ass, tits, sexual aggressiveness. She was also completely sweet and passionate. If I ever do it again, I worry that the experience might suffer by comparison. I agree with Fox - hot is hot.
For me, there are three reasons why I might want to get someone in bed.
I feel love for her
She's gorgeous
And/or she promises a hot time beyond the old in and out.

In fact, I'm meeting someone for coffee in an hour and a half that is looking for a regular lover specializing in #3. I'm talking something more along Harajuku's specialty.

In this case she's a gg. If all three of the above conditions were to be met,
I'd probably want to marry her. If she were to be TS, that could work. I just think it's far less likely than meeting a gg, purely from the numbers.

No, I don't think there's a danger in looking too much like a woman. Quite the opposite.

[Kriss]

Is there a point where a TS becomes so utterly convincing that the attraction is lost....? Do any of you guys..... prefer your TS partners/fantasy partners to still have some small visible reminder that reminds you 'she' used to be a 'he' ?

In a word ....NO. From 13 til I was 28, I only ever had sex with 'G'girls. As I noticed and became attracted to TS women, it was the feminine, 'porn star' looking girls that i liked. I can remember stumbling upon a pic of Raquel Fox on the net and thinking "Damn, that woman is so beautiful" before I noticed her cock. English girl Barbie, same story. This girl in particular is interesting as her website featured a very revealing, frank and touching autobiography. She mentions how as a child she was diagnosed as TS, everyone has a slightly different chromasome ratio and aparrently this girl was actually prescribed hormone therapy to make her more masculine because the doctors at the time decided that it was the 'best'/'easiest' path to take with barbie having a penis and everything. This path was eventually reversed as you all know. So in that case and many others, in my opinion she NEVER really "used to be a HE". No-one is 1000000% just male or female, yes genitals say a lot but we all know manly gals and femme guys. I have to go back and read it if it's still there, informative bio. careful, it will make you cry :cry:
If this info is incorrect PLEASE tell me ASAP and I will edit. I like to be respectful but feel this is o.k. to mention this stuff as she did put it on her website(kisses).


...what is it that turns you on is it TG related in your mind or not ?

No I guess it's not TG related. I like Girls. I like TS girls. I'm also not 'great' at relationships or maybe just don't try hard enough? :shrug I don't go out to clubs/bars, I see more beautiful women out shopping for food or in the street. I also see nothing wrong with paying for sex, when I can afford to. Be her PRE or POST-OP, I would ALWAYS go to a TS escort rather than a 'genetically' female one. WHY? better time, better service , better attitude, TS escorts are almost always independant so I don't have to worry that my cash is going to slavers or people trafficking or coke-head-pimp-gangster-mother-fuckers. TS girls that escort do it for money yes, but sometimes they enjoy the sex also. I am happy to know that my cash is 100% going to the girl, be it for surgery, rent or prada handbags, she's WORTH IT!


if you slept with a totally passable post-op...

Well, If anyone has noticed a lack of hostiliy in my posts(geddit? posts?) today, I can say it is probably due to recently enjoying the company of an incredibly beautiful post-op. And 'passable' isn't the word, this girl is so feminine, she literally looks like claudia sheiffer yet more feminine. You wouldn't even believe she is TS so really no 'TG' experience is in any way visible, lucky with her voice I guess. I am actually quite a selfless lover and not wanting to blow my own trumpet(one vertebre too many), I am pretty damn good at eating pussy. also I was interested in how she would react, if I could make her come from cunnilingus(LOVE that word) as I could with previous girlfriends. This girls pussy looks and tastes exactly like a pussy should, really, She also smelled lovely there, absolutely no hint of (really hope no Ggirls read this':fc') "scampi & lemon knick-knacks" or other choice vaginal aromas. It is true that a post-op girl needs some lubrication for penetrative sex (just like some of my ex G-girlfriends) or hand stimulation but none is needed for oral cunnilingus(love that word). I hadn't eaten a pussy in like :censor years and I loved it, my friend seemed to rather like it too. Her pussy was fairly tight and I'm hardly 'Mr boner(hur hur hur)' but post-op pussies can be totally functional(fuckable) and just like it should look, not too hairy. Really it depends on the girl, if I like a girl I will enjoy her pussy or her cock but i have to like the whole 'package'


was some sort of crossover point where the attraction is lost because the experience is so like normal hetro sex

No ,not for me, no crossover point, no attraction lost, if anything the attraction increases as she fulfills her ideal self-image through FFS, SRS, etc. If she want's the feminisation and gets it and is HAPPY with the result then that would make her one sexy woman. I have no defense against confidant women who love the way they look and enjoy their sexuality, be they 'female' or 'shemale', I am putty in their (large?)hands. :mrgreen: I won't start banging on about the 'b' word again ,I'm just greedy, I like all girls. O.K. , some TS are still just beginning their transition but to me they are still girls, however much hair they might have, just not MY type of girls, same with TV's I guess, I'll call her a girl, treat her like a girl but I just wouldn't want to take her home. What do you mean "hetero sex", are you calling my pint a queer Jennifer? :wink: Regarding my sexy Post-op friend, The sex is just as good (better actually as she has a personality) as with pre-op girls or any girl. Yes, i suppose exactly like Hetero sex, just the best hetero sex ever. Sometimes I like to be dominated a bit, sometimes I want a beautiful pre-op girl to fuck me, Sometimes I will be more dominant and if a girl want's to be eaten and fucked I love to do that. You can have fun with or without a dick, G-girls and post-ops can be active without having to fuck you or suffocate you with a cock. It's all fun and games between consenting adult humans, right? What's most important is that both people enjoy it and no-one has to do anything they don't like. It's all give and take right?


So yeah, in my mind, I'm not thinking "Damn, that is one hot TS!" instead "Damn, that is one hot chick!" As long as you're a woman, I don't care what's between your legs.

WORD! :rock2


A person wants a TS or they don't. Degrees of "TS" is another question.If they want a "more female TS" or "less female TS" is too impossible to ever quantify.

:smh I recognise that I have a particuler, 'idealised' idea of beauty. I like a certyain type of woman with big tits, ass, lips, lil waist, all fairly standard preferences. some guys say they always prefer "real" boobs. I dont, sorry but i like big, round perfect boobs and generally the women i am attracted to Ggirls and Tgirls have boob jobs. They also dye their hair , nails , etc, the 'westernised' feminine ideal. The Movie stars that I find particularly beautiful are the same girls that MY kind of TS women think are beautiful and thus emulate. Some of the girls may not look quite as they wish YET, eventually TS girls tend to have SRS , it's got to be better than taking high levels of hormone indefinately, i mean liver damage , all that (calling Peggy G- HELP -out of my depth here). It's not about degrees of TS but perhaps more 'degrees of femininity'?

Have I 'seen the light?'

[Lone Wolf]

Yes the cock and balls do remind me of the fact you used to be male, but girl you had the courage to become a beautiful woman and now use your male parts to enthrall us and captivate us. You are special among women, you are endowed with what the creator gave us to produce life.

[fueljunky0]

I am not really into a post op TG because for me it defeats the purpose. I want a sexy beautiful who also has a member. Typical I know but thats just how I am.

[flabbybody]

to answer your original question Jennifer:

Yes, for me there comes a point when a t is too perfectly feminine and the turn on is lost.
Some stealth remnants of maleness in a sexy girl is what does it for me. adam's apple, a hint of facial stubble, tiny tits, etc.

[werwt22]

No....no attraction is lost at all. Its even better if you look more like a regular woman to me actually.

[Ecstatic]

Is there a point where a TS becomes so utterly convincing that the attraction is lost....?
Interesting question indeed, Jennifer. No, the attraction would never be lost--I am very attracted to beautiful women regardless of what may or may not dangle between their legs. However, I am most definitely more motivated by a beautiful pre-op/non-op girl than I am by a GG or post-op girl, so there is a level of lost attraction. Put it this way: first thing that attracts me (if I do not initially know a woman's status) is her femininity and beauty. Next, that attraction is intensified if I know or discover that she is pre/non-op. But as much as I love sex with a pre/non-op girl, that attraction is by no means exclusive.


Do any of you guys..... prefer your TS partners/fantasy partners to still have some small visible reminder that reminds you 'she' used to be a 'he' ?
Other than the obvious? No. The more feminine she is, the greater the attraction. More to the point, allow me to rephrase the question: would I prefer my post-op TS partner to still have some small visible reminder that she used to be a he? No. She desired a complete transformation and I would want nothing less for her, or for me.


If not.... then hypothetically if you slept with a totally passable post-op...what is it that turns you on is it TG related in your mind or not ?
Nothing hypothetical about it, as I have done so, several times with a lovely woman. However, I do have the reverse of the usual scenario here: we often hear about the guy who falls for the girl, only to discover, perhaps after several dates, that she is a TS or even a pre-op TS. In my case, it was the opposite. Because I met this lovely lady in a TS bar, I assumed she was a pre-op TS. We got together several times--I took some private (non-nude) photos for her, and only after several weeks did it come around to us getting intimate. So I learned that she was post-op--but I expected pre-op, lol (as opposed to expecting a gg and finding a post-op). It didn't matter a whit; I really enjoy her company and we've gotten together several times. In fact, it was quite a pleasant surprise, as she was very sexy and I fit her perfectly (she told me some guys are too big for her, but I was the perfect size--first time I was actually glad to be "joe average" lol).

[wjcdiver]

No.

[ezed]

[quote="Jennifer_English"]Hi :O)

Is there a point where a TS becomes so utterly convincing that the attraction is lost....?

Do any of you guys..... prefer your TS partners/fantasy partners to still have some small visible reminder that reminds you 'she' used to be a 'he' ?

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Maybe. It comes down to the mindset. The attitude. It's so hard to verbalize, but I think your question has merit. It's not that she use to be a 'he' but that she has experience of being a he and doesn't lose or forget that. :?: