Alternatives to escorting

[tsmandy]

Hi folks,

This is a topic that I've been thinking about alot lately. For the last couple of years I've been working (primarily in Portland, sometimes in other cities) as an escort. Recently I've been feeling burned out on it and in need of a change.

Taking a break has a multitude of benefits, but I find myself missing the excitement and the attention (not to mention the cash).

So I've been thinking alot about what I liked about providing intimate companionship, what I didn't like, and possibilities for change.

What I liked:
Meeting new people. Getting people off, teaching people about sex, learning from people about sex. Providing emotional warmth and support (not necessarily the kind that involves talking about somebody's bad marriage, more the kind that comes from just being affectionate and sweet) and in turn receiving affection and adoration. Being motivated to take care of my body and my mind. And of course, having the disposable income to wear nice clothes, eat nice food, and frequent trips to the salon.

What I disliked:
Charging people by the hour. This never sat right by me but I never was able to think up a suitable alternative. It never really felt right to me to artificially limit my interaction with someone to such a brief segment of time. In matters of intimacy time is highly variable depending on who is involved.
And then there was the worry factor. Worrying about the cops, worrying about the creeps, and worrying about the integrity of my home. Never could really find a way past those things.

So.... All that said, I would like to find a way to keep the positive aspects mentioned and reduce or eliminate the negative aspects. How do I do that?

Besides the typical sugar daddy arrangement, does anyone know of other ways that a gal like me can provide professional companionship in exchange for financial support in a way that doesn't involve an hourly rate? Any girls tried alternatives?

[Ecstatic]

Here's an odd idea, which prolly won't fly because guys just want to get their rocks off, but how about advertising an evening date, no sex, just company, for a different rate? You know, like "escort" is supposed to mean, a companion for an evening. Charge $100/hour for 4 or 5 hours. If he wants more, he'll have to pay, but would there be a market for guys who just want a tgirl's companionship for an evening?

Yeah, I thought as much.

[Kriss]

A few escorts only take bookings for longer sessions like 3 hours, presumably with semi regular clients. I suppose it depends on what you offer. Girls that specialise in Domination and fantasy scenarios will insist on longer than one hour to give the full experience required, err, I heard somewhere. Also depends how many trips you require and to which salon I guess?

[xfiver]

Hi folks,

This is a topic that I've been thinking about alot lately. For the last couple of years I've been working (primarily in Portland, sometimes in other cities) as an escort. Recently I've been feeling burned out on it and in need of a change.

Taking a break has a multitude of benefits, but I find myself missing the excitement and the attention (not to mention the cash).

So I've been thinking alot about what I liked about providing intimate companionship, what I didn't like, and possibilities for change.

What I liked:
Meeting new people. Getting people off, teaching people about sex, learning from people about sex. Providing emotional warmth and support (not necessarily the kind that involves talking about somebody's bad marriage, more the kind that comes from just being affectionate and sweet) and in turn receiving affection and adoration. Being motivated to take care of my body and my mind. And of course, having the disposable income to wear nice clothes, eat nice food, and frequent trips to the salon.

What I disliked:
Charging people by the hour. This never sat right by me but I never was able to think up a suitable alternative. It never really felt right to me to artificially limit my interaction with someone to such a brief segment of time. In matters of intimacy time is highly variable depending on who is involved.
And then there was the worry factor. Worrying about the cops, worrying about the creeps, and worrying about the integrity of my home. Never could really find a way past those things.

So.... All that said, I would like to find a way to keep the positive aspects mentioned and reduce or eliminate the negative aspects. How do I do that?

Besides the typical sugar daddy arrangement, does anyone know of other ways that a gal like me can provide professional companionship in exchange for financial support in a way that doesn't involve an hourly rate? Any girls tried alternatives?

Why do you find it necessary to escort at all? Seems to me that the dangers outweigh the benefits by far (take Miriam for example). I don't even pretend to understand what it's like to be you. Is working in the normal marketplace just too difficult (discrimination, etc.)? You are obviously highly intelligent, and it seems to me you could make your way easily without escorting.

Also, I am curious if you find it difficult to date or find others that you can connect with outside of the escort scene.

But to try and address your question, if you are bent on doing it, why not just charge a flat rate per visit and see how it goes. Guarantee an hour and then "weed out" the ones you wouldn't enjoy seeing again, spend more time with the ones you like.

Thanks for the thoughtful topic.

-x

[slinky]

Figure out how much you honestly make on an evening what you set out to escort. now, i don't mean one evening in 1996 when some guys payed you $3,000; I mean including averaging in th nights you sit by the phone and do no dates. Does $400 to $500 sound about right?

Well, try offering that for a real fun night out (where the client pays all expenses - like a nice dinner, etc) where you really give if your all to show the guy a nice time for the whole evening. I bet you don't have to advertise anymore after a few weeks.

[wendy48088]

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[tsmandy]

Why do you find it necessary to escort at all? Seems to me that the dangers outweigh the benefits by far (take Miriam for example). I don't even pretend to understand what it's like to be you. Is working in the normal marketplace just too difficult (discrimination, etc.)? You are obviously highly intelligent, and it seems to me you could make your way easily without escorting.

Also, I am curious if you find it difficult to date or find others that you can connect with outside of the escort scene.


I don't find it necessary, really. I certainly have other options in terms of making money. The problem is I can work for $8 an hour because I have no work experience (unless I want to out myself and use my old name and work history pre-transition) barely be able to pay my rent, and never save money for anything I would like to accomplish. Or I can escort and live somewhat comfortably.

As for difficulty dating: No. I have a very committed partner actually and several other lovers that I spend time with. But I only really date straight guys professionally.




But to try and address your question, if you are bent on doing it, why not just charge a flat rate per visit and see how it goes. Guarantee an hour and then "weed out" the ones you wouldn't enjoy seeing again, spend more time with the ones you like.

Thanks for the thoughtful topic.

-x

The thing is, I'm not bent on doing it. I'm interested in positive alternatives to the norm. Ways to make sex work safer, more sustainable, and more positive for all involved.


Thanks for the input folks.

[tsmandy]

Figure out how much you honestly make on an evening what you set out to escort. now, i don't mean one evening in 1996 when some guys payed you $3,000; I mean including averaging in th nights you sit by the phone and do no dates. Does $400 to $500 sound about right?

Well, try offering that for a real fun night out (where the client pays all expenses - like a nice dinner, etc) where you really give if your all to show the guy a nice time for the whole evening. I bet you don't have to advertise anymore after a few weeks.

Danny Partidge I was 14 years old in 1996, who told you about that night?

I like the idea of a flat rate date, I wonder if that would fly in a city like Portland, or if that is something I should try on the road?

[tsmandy]

Here's an odd idea, which prolly won't fly because guys just want to get their rocks off, but how about advertising an evening date, no sex, just company, for a different rate? You know, like "escort" is supposed to mean, a companion for an evening. Charge $100/hour for 4 or 5 hours. If he wants more, he'll have to pay, but would there be a market for guys who just want a tgirl's companionship for an evening?

Yeah, I thought as much.

I saw a special on TV once about companions in Japan that supposedly do just this. I feel like a gal that did this in the USA would get alot of hate.

[tsmandy]

Any "legit" job you get will be harder work and will pay a lot less and be less exciting than escorting, but you'll probably want to move on some day and live as a regular woman in society anyway, and this will help you to do that.

Sound advice Wendy. I don't really want to move on some day and live as a "regular woman". I'm not really one of those "I'm just like all the other girls with one exception" kind of girls. I have a hard time functioning in institutional settings, an overly critical mind, and a serious need for independence and adventure.

[slinky]

Danny Partidge I was 14 years old in 1996, who told you about that night?

I like the idea of a flat rate date, I wonder if that would fly in a city like Portland, or if that is something I should try on the road?

You'd be surprised at how it will fly anywhere. Develop regular customers who you actually like and who like you and who you will actually have fun with over an evening instead of resenting and wanting to get out the door in 15 minutes. One of the more successful escorts in NYC isn't even really an escort....... she just has "boyfriends" who take care of her bills (and I think a whole bunch of you know exactly who I'm talking about).

[Kriss]

I saw a special on TV once about companions in Japan that supposedly do just this.

You can also buy a pair of "schoolgirl's" panties from vending machines on the street in Tokyo!!?!!?! :smh (I see you Wombat) :offtopic

[skyler]

Hi folks,

This is a topic that I've been thinking about alot lately. For the last couple of years I've been working (primarily in Portland, sometimes in other cities) as an escort. Recently I've been feeling burned out on it and in need of a change.

Taking a break has a multitude of benefits, but I find myself missing the excitement and the attention (not to mention the cash).

So I've been thinking alot about what I liked about providing intimate companionship, what I didn't like, and possibilities for change.

What I liked:
Meeting new people. Getting people off, teaching people about sex, learning from people about sex. Providing emotional warmth and support (not necessarily the kind that involves talking about somebody's bad marriage, more the kind that comes from just being affectionate and sweet) and in turn receiving affection and adoration. Being motivated to take care of my body and my mind. And of course, having the disposable income to wear nice clothes, eat nice food, and frequent trips to the salon.

What I disliked:
Charging people by the hour. This never sat right by me but I never was able to think up a suitable alternative. It never really felt right to me to artificially limit my interaction with someone to such a brief segment of time. In matters of intimacy time is highly variable depending on who is involved.
And then there was the worry factor. Worrying about the cops, worrying about the creeps, and worrying about the integrity of my home. Never could really find a way past those things.

So.... All that said, I would like to find a way to keep the positive aspects mentioned and reduce or eliminate the negative aspects. How do I do that?

Besides the typical sugar daddy arrangement, does anyone know of other ways that a gal like me can provide professional companionship in exchange for financial support in a way that doesn't involve an hourly rate? Any girls tried alternatives?

great pic mandy!

[TrueBeauty TS]

You can also buy a pair of "schoolgirl's" panties from vending machines on the street in Tokyo!!?!!?! :smh (I see you Wombat) :offtopic


:D That's hot! Why doesn't America learn from the Japanese???







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[Aragon21]

What I liked:
Meeting new people. Getting people off, teaching people about sex, learning from people about sex. Providing emotional warmth and support (not necessarily the kind that involves talking about somebody's bad marriage, more the kind that comes from just being affectionate and sweet) and in turn receiving affection and adoration. Being motivated to take care of my body and my mind. And of course, having the disposable income to wear nice clothes, eat nice food, and frequent trips to the salon.

Sounds like being a bartender would suit you perfectly. It takes little time and money to learn. It pays very well. You will meet many new people daily (though you will still hear the bad relationship crap to some degree.) And you will get hit on constantly by people that are attracted to you and not your profession.

[tsmandy]

Sounds like being a bartender would suit you perfectly. It takes little time and money to learn. It pays very well. You will meet many new people daily (though you will still hear the bad relationship crap to some degree.) And you will get hit on constantly by people that are attracted to you and not your profession.

I've often thought bartending might be a good option. Only problem is my bullshit tolerance is abysmally low, that and I generally enjoy escorting. I just want to find ways to do it differently.

[BeardedOne]

Yeah, I thought as much

Hey, don't pass it off so easily, E.

I negotiated a 'day rate' with one of the gurls I spent time with. A bunch of emails, back and forth, to make sure we were on the same page (I'm such a noob when it comes to personal interaction).

We settled on the amount of $800 which, I assumed, would be about four hours +/-. You can imagine my surprise when it turned into almost ten hours. :shock: It wasn't all bump 'n grind, mind you. We spent a great deal of time just talking, hanging out, watching teevee, and she was the one that introduced me to JibJab.com. :D

Yah, she came on my face at least once, but that wasn't what the day was all about. :wink:

So, don't knock the day-rate. It's what you make of it.

[Aragon21]

K, gotcha Mandy. How about working out a weekly budget (i.e. how much you feel you need to earn per week) divide it by 3 or 6 and multiply that by 125-150%. Ex. if you need $1000/week at 3 would be $425-500 and at 6 would be $210-250.

You could then advertise as a companion only with a half day and full day rate, while taking into consideration Fri., Sat., and Sun. would be the 3 working days. Any extra days = extra money. Any extra activities you can negotiate as you and your conscience feel is fair.

Now of course this comes from someone that truly does not know your business in terms of how many "dates" you usually have a week. But as I have seen in some posts here, when a client feels less rushed they tend to have a better experience in both activity and appreciation for the lady.

On a personal note, I have been a part of 2 threesomes. The 1st time was my best friend and I with a girl and we had all night to have fun. So we had time to train, DP, basically think about it and do it. The 2nd time was with a girlfriend and another girl. The "typical" male fantasy. Well there was alot less time and gotta tell you all the things I dreamed of doing went blank in my head (wanted to stack 'em, do one while eating the other, etc.) The reason I share this is to emphasize the point...the more time your client has the better he can realize his complete fantasy.

Again I don't know if scheduling half and full days would work but thought I'd throw it out there.

[BrendaQG]

About school and all that.

Having been to school is not guarnatee that you will not have to escort to survive. It just means that more prestigious jobs will be who's turning you down.

That said there are jobs where you could get much of what you got out of escorting. You like giving and recieving intimate pleasure. How about becoming a legit, non erotic, licensed massage therapist/ physical therapist? That's not a 4 year degree. You could become a nurse, to be an RN thesee days takes a 4 year degree though. Those two come to mind.

[tsmandy]

Hey, don't pass it off so easily, E.

I negotiated a 'day rate' with one of the gurls I spent time with. A bunch of emails, back and forth, to make sure we were on the same page (I'm such a noob when it comes to personal interaction).

We settled on the amount of $800 which, I assumed, would be about four hours +/-. You can imagine my surprise when it turned into almost ten hours. :shock: It wasn't all bump 'n grind, mind you. We spent a great deal of time just talking, hanging out, watching teevee, and she was the one that introduced me to JibJab.com. :D

Yah, she came on my face at least once, but that wasn't what the day was all about. :wink:

So, don't knock the day-rate. It's what you make of it.

That sounds like a great day! I've definitely had several wonderful day long sessions, and I've long considered switching arrangements in that direction.

Maybe a road trip is in order......

[tsmandy]

K, gotcha Mandy. How about working out a weekly budget (i.e. how much you feel you need to earn per week) divide it by 3 or 6 and multiply that by 125-150%. Ex. if you need $1000/week at 3 would be $425-500 and at 6 would be $210-250.

You could then advertise as a companion only with a half day and full day rate, while taking into consideration Fri., Sat., and Sun. would be the 3 working days. Any extra days = extra money. Any extra activities you can negotiate as you and your conscience feel is fair.

Now of course this comes from someone that truly does not know your business in terms of how many "dates" you usually have a week. But as I have seen in some posts here, when a client feels less rushed they tend to have a better experience in both activity and appreciation for the lady.

...............

Again I don't know if scheduling half and full days would work but thought I'd throw it out there.

What an interesting idea. How did you come up with the mathmatical formula? Linear thinking fascinates me.

Anyways, I would really like to focus my interactions professionally on clients that are interested in non rushed time. Thanks for the suggestions.

[elo]

Was porn already mentioned? :jerkoff :smoking

[Shining Star]

Mistress, having a "Sugar Daddy", etc are all the same variations on one theme; providing one's time and (usually body) to a person but instead of a flat hourly rate, compensation can take a number of forms. For intance a gentleman could pay the rent/bills, or establish a checking account/credit card, or other means of funds. Or simply pay funds upon the end of the day/visit.


Many former escorts find themselves "kept" by just one man. It could be a former regular customer, or simply a gentleman looking for a safe, steady thing on the side, and or building a more personal relationship than calling from the corner. Some GG and male "mistresses" do quite well, with apartments in their own names, trust funds, and so forth. There have been a few cases of trannies being taken up by some wealthy guy, but it never seems to last long. Probably the most famous was a girl who used to work down in the Meatpacking District and met a guy from Europe with TONS of cash. Man took her back to Europe where the girl lived the life (chateau, coutre dresses, the lot). However one day the guy "woke up", and chucked the girl out.

As for non-escorting occupations, despite what some may say things are not that bad for trannies. Many large companines like Microsoft and Google are very GLBT friendly. Or, to take a page out of the gay male book, one can start up a business.

As for nursing, there are still quite a few two and three year schools out there. Not one state nursing board mandates a four year degree for licensure. Some hospitals may prefer the BSN, but with the nursing shortage as acute as it is in some places, they will take what they can get. For some reason nursing does attract lots of trannies. I know about 5 or 6 post of TSs who are RNs and one pre-op (lives as a woman).

As for that comment about obtaining higher education is a waste as it only means being turned down for better jobs; that has to be the dumbest logic I've ever heard. Not every TS works as an escort/sex worker. Quite a few hold college and even advanced degrees and do quite well. Yes, they may not have landed every job they applied for, but who does?

If one is a young TS the best thing to do is go to school, attend college and position yourself to take advantage of changing times.

[Aragon21]

[quote="tsmandyWhat an interesting idea. How did you come up with the mathmatical formula? Linear thinking fascinates me.[/quote]

I based the formula on a realistic social calander of 3 day weekends as stated in my original post. The 125%-150% is to factor in taxes and some slow time so as to still maintain a consistent in pocket income (and a little extra to treat yourself or save for the future.)

[tsmandy]

I'm not really interested in alternatives to escorting as in other lines of work. Just interested in hearing folks ideas regarding alternative sex work arrangements.

I'm confident that there are a million soul crushing, mind numbing, heart breaking jobs out there (even a few good ones too) that I could go back to school and eventually qualify for. Different can of worms, not interested in talking about (personally).

I've just been interested in exploring possibilities that have been under utilized, and expanding the framework that I (and others) use to think about sex work.

It's a beautiful day, time to get out of my house.
xoxo
Mandy

[houstonshemalefan]

Just charge $1000 per evening normally 4 to 5 hours of your time. Normally this includes dinner/date then fun.

[BrendaQG]

As for that comment about obtaining higher education is a waste as it only means being turned down for better jobs; that has to be the dumbest logic I've ever heard. Not every TS works as an escort/sex worker. Quite a few hold college and even advanced degrees and do quite well. Yes, they may not have landed every job they applied for, but who does?

If one is a young TS the best thing to do is go to school, attend college and position yourself to take advantage of changing times.

I was just relating my personal experience. I have a B.S. major in physics and minor in mahtematics. I am also well on my way to a M.S. I have applied for jobs and seen those jobs stay open for a year (two I have been waiting on for a while. They only requiered a BS and NO experience at all.

Then I have also woked quite a bit as a salesperson when I lived as a man. door to door and telemarketing. As a TS woman as soon as they do the background check any enthusiasm for hiring me goes away. The only thing that has changed is that I am a transsexual.

I know it's hard to accept but education does not make one immune to prejudice.

So you want an alternative form of sex work

:-? There's always pornography. Potentially if you are willing to man ALLOT of movies you could make allot of money. If you are willing to really get into that business and say produce such movies theres even more money. Doing that could be just as hard as going to school and getting any other job.

[foxxyyvonne]

I work in computer networking, so I just pretty much have no problem getting a good job.

[desu]

buy Lloyd Kaufman's 'Make your own damn movie' (amazon.com)
rent some pro equipment and direct your own porn
either buy or pirate adobe video premiere and edit.
if you're really motivated make your own background music for it too.
shop it to studios & websites
profit! (after much learning/failure)

[sooner99]

You fools are crazy, the right tranny can make so much money if motivate, good looking and stays focus, we all know their hooking but straight girls do it too. This tranny showed me the money her and a friend made over ST Patties Day, she made about 7g and her friend made more, add that in with the partying and expenses you can round it of to 20G, when is the last time you and a friend created 15 to 20G in a week or 2?
Remember fellos prices always go UP, drugs, rent, booze and girls of all genders too.. but never your pay check when you work instead of having your own business and that's the business $$$$$ 4 to $$$$$ a week
Enjoy the FUN!

[BeardedOne]

That sounds like a great day! I've definitely had several wonderful day long sessions, and I've long considered switching arrangements in that direction.

Maybe a road trip is in order......

Hopefully your road trip will coincide with a new client contract or tax refund at my end. :D

The gurls I've dated 'professionaly' were actually a little surprised when I asked about additional time/day rates. Though not unheard of, it certainly wasn't the norm for many of their clients. Though I didn't exactly feel rushed in my initial one-hour 'test drives' with them, it was clear that they were getting a bit itchy at fifty-five past the hour. :oops:

The one that I spent the day with was both fun to be with (Even when we weren't doing the nasty) and very patient with me. Being a bit of a hermit, I tend to dig in when I go anywhere and we spent the entire time in the hotel room. Expecting that, and wanting to allow enough buffer space so I wouldn't drive her totally bugfuck, I booked a nice pocket suite at a local business hotel. That allowed enough room to move around and not get on each other's nerves in between activities. Her rate, BTW, was reflected in the fact that I provided venue, etc. Had she hosted our day the mileage most definitely would have varied.