Will you ever see a cent of social security?

I've paid bank into this shit and mathematically, it'll be nearly impossible for the fed to match FDR's stupidity. I'm not talking about the old-timers like sheepmike. I'm talking about us young dudes. I'm pretty much resigned to the fact that I won't get shit. I wish I could take that money and put it on the market or into some metals or real estate, but I guess the government knows how to spend peoples money better than they do.

[trish]

for decades baby boomers were paying more in than was ever going out. before bush took office social security was secure and economist were predicting a ten year surplus in the federal budget. bush took that surplus and your social security and gave it away in tax breaks for the wealthiest of the wealthy. so while you're eating dog food, at least the few who really deserve it (because they're pure enough in the eyes of god to be rich) will be eating caviar.

I see. So what you're saying is that Bush should take tax money to subsidize insurance Ad infinitum?


LOL

[specialk]

:P :P

[trish]

okay specialk...now you're tie with chefmike for the funniest post of the day.

[specialk]

okay specialk...now you're tie with chefmike for the funniest post of the day.

As always ...thank you Trish :wink:

[chefmike]

:P :P

ROTFLMFAO!!

8)

:lol:

:P

okay specialk...now you're tie with chefmike for the funniest post of the day.

As always ...thank you Trish :wink:

Notice vestboy took down his extended-adolescence-vestboy pic? Put that shit back up!

[qeuqheeg222]

all insurance is a scam..this industry lobbies with a big wallet....

[qeuqheeg222]

p.s. dont you love it when your beloved state govt "decides" to make certain forms of ins. mandatory?the right sure bitches about big govt. when it is convenient but when it comes to morals or the ins industry get you laws behind the bucks or sodomy laws....yeah tfan if you really are a tfan remember if you could be breakin a sodomy law in some states by engagin in some activities that you view here on this site!!!

p.s. dont you love it when your beloved state govt "decides" to make certain forms of ins. mandatory?the right sure bitches about big govt. when it is convenient but when it comes to morals or the ins industry get you laws behind the bucks or sodomy laws....yeah tfan if you really are a tfan remember if you could be breakin a sodomy law in some states by engagin in some activities that you view here on this site!!!


Social Security is the product of a bitch-fag named FDR, a democrat.

If you're desperate to take a swipe at me, at least do it with a subject you know something about.

[qeuqheeg222]

so is the f.d.i.c which insures much of yer beloved bankin and stock market..

LMAO! FDR was vehemently opposed to the FDIC from way in it's early days. It was, in FACT, the brainchild of REPUBLICANS.

You're either stupid or a comedian.

[qeuqheeg222]

yeah fdr wa opposed to business chumps gettin over but wasnt this the glass-steagul act the byproduct of true bipartisan politics?

yeah fdr wa opposed to business chumps gettin over but wasnt this the glass-steagul act the byproduct of true bipartisan politics?

Wait, LOL, we were talking about Social Security, which we both agreed is the brainchild of a bitch fag named FDR. And them YOU said "so is the f.d.i.c which insures much of yer beloved bankin and stock market.."

So you said the FDIC was the brain child of FDR but now you're saying that it wasn't? What changed in the last 5 minutes? LMAO

This was not an example of bipartisan bullshit, it's only another example of a bitch-fag Democrat riding the wave of public opinion rather than leading it.

And what did FDR want to do with the FDIC that he was afraid of American's making money? Did he want to fuck it up like he fucked up Social Security? LMAO

[qeuqheeg222]

no he was unsure of insuring unscrupulous bankers..

[qeuqheeg222]

how come you didnt answer the b.a.r.or m-14 thread?

no he was unsure of insuring unscrupulous bankers..

He should have been unsure of "unscrupulous" democrats who have slush-funded Social Security almost from day 1.

Liberal hatred of the private sector seems quite ridiculous when you look at what their politicians have done in the name of "the common good".

[qeuqheeg222]

and the private sector in the name of profits...do you like banks making money of of your money?

and the private sector in the name of profits...do you like banks making money of of your money?

I love profits and I love it when people make money off me because I make money off of people. And that's why I'm a happy capitalist. I don't have time to hate the system, I'm too busy working it.

You on the other hand, must not be working it. Which is why you hate it.

Or maybe you're just an angry man.

[qeuqheeg222]

no not that angry and sellin things people need in a free market,away from big govt.arms of control...

no not that angry and sellin things people need in a free market,away from big govt.arms of control...

You're a republican at heart. You just don't know it yet.

[qeuqheeg222]

why are you republicans afraid of libertarians?

I'm Christian. I ain't afraid of nothing.

[olite71]

Social Security payments are guaranteed for another 25 years. I'm fairly confident that it enough time to fix the system and create an equitable distribution after that.


That being said--nobody should knock what FDR did--at the time it was a probably a good thing to do. (think of the context). As we speak SS pays out more than a half a trillion a year in benefits--money which is spent right back into the economy.

Without this money chaos would ensue.

Social Security payments are guaranteed for another 25 years. I'm fairly confident that it enough time to fix the system and create an equitable distribution after that.

That means I'm not seeing a cent of that guarantee nor the majority of the people on this board. As far as fixing the system, we're fucked.

At some point some dem administration is going to begin subsidizing Social Security by raiding some other government slush fund. Which of course will only burden the tax base, "forcing" the fed to raise taxes, investment to creep to a halt, unemployment to sky rocket and throw us into Jimmy Carter-esque recession.

If we're to cut and run on ANYTHING, let it be Social Security. Let those of us young enough do something constructive with the money for our own futures. I'd gladly compromise short term subsidy for Social Security if it means I can keep my SS contributions and invest it how I see fit.


That being said--nobody should knock what FDR did--at the time it was a probably a good thing to do. (think of the context). As we speak SS pays out more than a half a trillion a year in benefits--money which is spent right back into the economy.

Without this money chaos would ensue.

No, it's money that's cold-filtered through a needless bureacracy. Do you think all those contract lawyers and accountants work for free? While those people are being paid, the money COULD be put to use for the benefit of far, far more people through private investment. Social Security is an unmitigated failure.

[olite71]

Social Security payments are guaranteed for another 25 years. I'm fairly confident that it enough time to fix the system and create an equitable distribution after that.

That means I'm not seeing a cent of that guarantee nor the majority of the people on this board. As far as fixing the system, we're fucked.

At some point some dem administration is going to begin subsidizing Social Security by raiding some other government slush fund. Which of course will only burden the tax base, "forcing" the fed to raise taxes, investment to creep to a halt, unemployment to sky rocket and throw us into Jimmy Carter-esque recession.

If we're to cut and run on ANYTHING, let it be Social Security. Let those of us young enough do something constructive with the money for our own futures. I'd gladly compromise short term subsidy for Social Security if it means I can keep my SS contributions and invest it how I see fit.


That being said--nobody should knock what FDR did--at the time it was a probably a good thing to do. (think of the context). As we speak SS pays out more than a half a trillion a year in benefits--money which is spent right back into the economy.

Without this money chaos would ensue.

No, it's money that's cold-filtered through a needless bureacracy. Do you think all those contract lawyers and accountants work for free? While those people are being paid, the money COULD be put to use for the benefit of far, far more people through private investment. Social Security is an unmitigated failure.



"unimitigated failure?" No that would be Enron's private investment 401k plan for its employees.

You should get your definitions straight right after you get your head out of your ass.

Social Security payments are guaranteed for another 25 years. I'm fairly confident that it enough time to fix the system and create an equitable distribution after that.

That means I'm not seeing a cent of that guarantee nor the majority of the people on this board. As far as fixing the system, we're fucked.

At some point some dem administration is going to begin subsidizing Social Security by raiding some other government slush fund. Which of course will only burden the tax base, "forcing" the fed to raise taxes, investment to creep to a halt, unemployment to sky rocket and throw us into Jimmy Carter-esque recession.

If we're to cut and run on ANYTHING, let it be Social Security. Let those of us young enough do something constructive with the money for our own futures. I'd gladly compromise short term subsidy for Social Security if it means I can keep my SS contributions and invest it how I see fit.


That being said--nobody should knock what FDR did--at the time it was a probably a good thing to do. (think of the context). As we speak SS pays out more than a half a trillion a year in benefits--money which is spent right back into the economy.

Without this money chaos would ensue.

No, it's money that's cold-filtered through a needless bureacracy. Do you think all those contract lawyers and accountants work for free? While those people are being paid, the money COULD be put to use for the benefit of far, far more people through private investment. Social Security is an unmitigated failure.



"unimitigated failure?" No that would be Enron's private investment 401k plan for its employees.

You should get your definitions straight right after you get your head out of your ass.


Ok, I expect this will be the last of your contributions since that's go-to one-liner that's been pumped up your ass by leftist socialist. Enron's problem wasn't it's 401k plan. Enron's problem was dishonest executives and energy market players. See kid, every once in a while a white-man decides he needs to increase his harem by a couple blonds and a tranny. In his lust, he looks for a get-rich-quick scheme and that usually involves 1 of 2 things; Insider trading and/or Insider Information.

Ok, take time to reread that.........










So what happens is inevitably tranny-chasing-whitey gets caught by a jilted ex-secretary or other female adminstrative assistant. She smuggles documents out of the company in her cooch and takes them straight to CBS. CBS, in a socialist huff, frames the story as "Capitalism doesn't work! Watch This!" as they distort and deride the actual story.

Then, in America, we have this thing called "The Rule of Law". And in short, that means we beat the shit out of whitey and drag his body through the streets of Manhattan for all other would-be sheisty whitey's to see.

That is why our system works, though the brown shirts won't tell you.


Anyhow, had people like sheepmike put their money on the market/metals/real estate... (with care and consideration) hell, even bonds instead of Social Security, they'd be financially secure individuals in all probability (Well not necessarily true for bonds but they'd be better off).

But what's even better, they wouldn't be a burden to the younger people like you and me when they are sent out to pasture.

[qeuqheeg222]

why are you worryin about this i thought you were such a great capitalist makin money off of others who were deemed the"market" or the "demand"part of supply and demand.if you are the great capitalist you claim to be making money of these markets why should this issue of social security be even an issue to you?you know like they use to say in the reagan era -"fuck you every crumb fer themselves".....where is yer big daddy warbucks estate trust fund..

why are you worryin about this i thought you were such a great capitalist makin money off of others who were deemed the"market" or the "demand"part of supply and demand.if you are the great capitalist you claim to be making money of these markets why should this issue of social security be even an issue to you?you know like they use to say in the reagan era -"fuck you every crumb fer themselves".....where is yer big daddy warbucks estate trust fund..

That was almost entirely unintelligible. I think what's your saying is why do I need social security? I need the insurance that I paid for, even though dems have already squandered it away.

[olite71]

[TFAN WROTE]


Ok, I expect this will be the last of your contributions since that's go-to one-liner that's been pumped up your ass by leftist socialist. Enron's problem wasn't it's 401k plan. Enron's problem was dishonest executives and energy market players. See kid, every once in a while a white-man decides he needs to increase his harem by a couple blonds and a tranny. In his lust, he looks for a get-rich-quick scheme and that usually involves 1 of 2 things; Insider trading and/or Insider Information.

Ok, take time to reread that.........










So what happens is inevitably tranny-chasing-whitey gets caught by a jilted ex-secretary or other female adminstrative assistant. She smuggles documents out of the company in her cooch and takes them straight to CBS. CBS, in a socialist huff, frames the story as "Capitalism doesn't work! Watch This!" as they distort and deride the actual story.

Then, in America, we have this thing called "The Rule of Law". And in short, that means we beat the shit out of whitey and drag his body through the streets of Manhattan for all other would-be sheisty whitey's to see.

That is why our system works, though the brown shirts won't tell you.


Anyhow, had people like sheepmike put their money on the market/metals/real estate... (with care and consideration) hell, even bonds instead of Social Security, they'd be financially secure individuals in all probability (Well not necessarily true for bonds but they'd be better off).

But what's even better, they wouldn't be a burden to the younger people like you and me when they are sent out to pasture.[/quote]



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[RESPONSE]

You need to stay on task. Your assertion was that SS is an unmitigated failure. To date after seven decades, SS has never reneged on a payout to a participant. NEVER.

To call that an "umitigated failure" is to have no sense of the meaning of words....Fine if you have alzheimer's disease or a learning disability, but otherwise, it is a completely unreasonable assertion.


As for what "may" happen in the future, it is illogical to state that what may happen in the future is "an umitigated failure." At the very least I've never heard anybody say anything like that. As an aside, however, it is amusing to see that you employ the same overblown sky-is-falling rhetoric as do the environmentalists whom you so roundly reject on this forum.

Thanks for the entertainment and the hypocrisy.

[Jonny29]

Just because you get back principal doesn't make it a success either. What is the return on investment compared to a t-note,bonds or the stock market during the same time frame?
I do understand some people are incabable of saving on their own and for them social security is of great assistance.

You need to stay on task. Your assertion was that SS is an unmitigated failure. To date after seven decades, SS has never reneged on a payout to a participant. NEVER.

To call that an "umitigated failure" is to have no sense of the meaning of words....Fine if you have alzheimer's disease or a learning disability, but otherwise, it is a completely unreasonable assertion.


As for what "may" happen in the future, it is illogical to state that what may happen in the future is "an umitigated failure." At the very least I've never heard anybody say anything like that. As an aside, however, it is amusing to see that you employ the same overblown sky-is-falling rhetoric as do the environmentalists whom you so roundly reject on this forum.

Thanks for the entertainment and the hypocrisy.

Tell you what. Why don't you take $100,000 dollars to your local bank and tell them "Hey, I'm really stupid so I thought I'd give you this money to hold for me. I'll be back in 50 years to pick it up. Don't worry about interest or cap gains, because remember, I'm stupid."

I bet they hold the door for you on the way out.

[olite71]

You need to stay on task. Your assertion was that SS is an unmitigated failure. To date after seven decades, SS has never reneged on a payout to a participant. NEVER.

To call that an "umitigated failure" is to have no sense of the meaning of words....Fine if you have alzheimer's disease or a learning disability, but otherwise, it is a completely unreasonable assertion.


As for what "may" happen in the future, it is illogical to state that what may happen in the future is "an umitigated failure." At the very least I've never heard anybody say anything like that. As an aside, however, it is amusing to see that you employ the same overblown sky-is-falling rhetoric as do the environmentalists whom you so roundly reject on this forum.

Thanks for the entertainment and the hypocrisy.

Tell you what. Why don't you take $100,000 dollars to your local bank and tell them "Hey, I'm really stupid so I thought I'd give you this money to hold for me. I'll be back in 50 years to pick it up. Don't worry about interest or cap gains, because remember, I'm stupid."

I bet they hold the door for you on the way out.


I'll tell you what. Produce hard numbers and facts to support what you imply by your post. And don't forget under SS, if you're suddenly disabled, after even paying in only fifty bucks--your entire family will get hundreds and hundreds of dollars a month....I've dealt with banks all my life and never heard of any deals like that.

I'll tell you what. Produce hard numbers and facts to support what you imply by your post.

{Produce for what you "Imply"??? LMAO!

Imply something and mean it, tough guy.

[fueljunky0]

I dont want a single cent out of Social Security. Why? I will plan and set aside for my retirement myself thank you very much. Now I am all for helping out the old but this current system is not going to last until my golden years and if it does I wont be getting near enough to live off of. If I had the option I would not pay for SS and not expect it when I retire.

I dont want a single cent out of Social Security. Why? I will plan and set aside for my retirement myself thank you very much. Now I am all for helping out the old but this current system is not going to last until my golden years and if it does I wont be getting near enough to live off of. If I had the option I would not pay for SS and not expect it when I retire.

Is that you, TFan? Oh siht! It's not me! But it's my clone, as genius as me!


PROPS Ari!

[olite71]

I dont want a single cent out of Social Security. Why? I will plan and set aside for my retirement myself thank you very much. Now I am all for helping out the old but this current system is not going to last until my golden years and if it does I wont be getting near enough to live off of. If I had the option I would not pay for SS and not expect it when I retire.

The system is going to be fine. And your statement that you "don't want a cent" is disingenuous.

[olite71]

I'll tell you what. Produce hard numbers and facts to support what you imply by your post.

{Produce for what you "Imply"??? LMAO!

Imply something and mean it, tough guy.




LMAO! When the time for producing facts comes, you have nothing but half-assed opinions. You have no facts to support the assertion that is the title of this thread, and no facts to support anything else you said on here. In fact, your entire argument is nothing more than captions and soundbytes pieced together from the conservative playbook.

It's people like you make the conservatives look brain dead. Que Verguenza!

[chefmike]

It's people like you make the conservatives look brain dead. Que Verguenza!

What he said.