Are costs to see girls getting out of hand?

[tslvr]

What is going on with the donation rates to see girls these days? I, like many of you, get to visit with a girl about once every month or so, but these rates are getting out of hand. I called a girl yesterday, and she said $350 for a visit.....I said thanks, but no thanks. Do a lot of you guys make more than $100 an hour at your job? I highly doubt it. I think the average income per person in the US is somewhere between 40- 50,000/year. C'mon guys, let us know how we let the costs get to these levels.

And girls, how many guys can visit @ these rates?

[Trogdor]

I think the average is well below that, dude.

[XPBMX]

Because you choose to pay for it. Face it it is business and people really want these TSgirls. So pay it or try new and inventive ways to get it. Myself? I make shittttttaaaah wages but I can go to a TS bar and pick up somone that wants to have fun and they look wonderful. If I paid for it I would not bitch.

[signupjustforthis]

do girls really make that much money? :idea:

[Alison Faraday]

And just how many girls do you think there are per percenta of the population?

The issue is that we're not making $400 every hour of every day. It's not just that hour we spend with the client. It's the time spent tidying up, getting ready, arranging to do your chores on another day, dealing with it all mentally of selling your body. All of that is included in the service.

The reality is that most would work in regular jobs if they could. And would be over the moon to make $30/hour let alone $100. But due to them being transsexual, that's not realistically going to happen.

If they didn't charge those rates then they wouldn't be able to afford their surgery, their hormones, and, they'd look like hairy old men.

Please do not believe that your money is being wasted. Honestly and whole heartedly, it is not.

[wendy48088]

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[Realgirls4me]

It's very simple: One charges what the market will bear, and right now, that's about what the market is going at. I think if you are getting a beautiful TS woman -- not top tier -- for $250.00 to $300.00 an hour, you are getting quite a bargain. It's simple, you get what you pay for. If you are expecting to pick up a TS woman for $50.00, you might be wise and cautious not to also pick something else up. Get mt drift?

Yep, $300.00 to $400.00 for a memory that will spawn countless masturbations and also last me a lifetime is a no-brainer at that price.

... Now if you were argueing gas prices, which are going up for no justifiable reason at the moment other than pure unadulterated greed, then I'm with you.:)

[Perverted Monk]

Inflations a mutha. Everything shot up in price in the past few years.

I honestly think it up to the clients to dictate prices, because if some john is willing to pay any asking prices, then the escort would be dumb not to charge that.

Me, I can't do anything past 2 bills, as is hard enough trying to live in this expensive ass city.

[Realgirls4me]

Inflations a mutha. Everything shot up in price in the past few years.

I honestly think it up to the clients to dictate prices, because if some john is willing to pay any asking prices, then the escort would be dumb not to charge that.

Me, I can't do anything past 2 bills, as is hard enough trying to live in this expensive ass city.

If the escort is the haggling type, then more power to you, but in my opinion this is not a buyer's market generally, and I don't think you'll land any of the best at $$. They charge and you either pay or don't take it. I have never paid less than advertized, even when one of the most beautiful TS's on the planet chopped $100.00 off her going rate for some reason. I still paid what we had agreed to originally, but that's just me.


One more thing: SAVE !!!

[Perverted Monk]

^^^True

And after all it is a luxury. Just to bad I don't got like that.

[Jennifer_English]

I would say that very much depends on how much the girl goes out of her way to make sure the client has a memorable and enjoyable experience..

With me that would include making sure I have a bath, my legs are freshly shaved etc. and that I am as clean as can possibly be...

I will leave this right up until the last hour before a client arrives so I am as fresh as possible and my make-up etc looks as good as it can...

Making my clients feel welcome and at home in my house is also a BIG part of my service.... I always offer a drink and NEVER watch the clock..

I will also try to find out as much as possible what the client is expecting/would like to do/wants me to wear and have a large collection of toys/equipment for the client to enjoy if they so wish... these things dont come cheap!!

I have never seen more than one client in a day as I feel that isnt a good way to give them your best, after all who wants sloppy seconds!!

I have heard a LOT of bad stories from some of my clients regarding girls that pretty much seem to take the cash then get them out the door as quick as possible....

I guess in that situation $3-400 is a bit much.....

However like most things in this life... you get what you pay for....

xx

[WendyWilliams]

I am so damn tired of hearing guys question rates:

Its very simple


IT IS OUR BODY AND WE CHOOSE WHAT PRICE WE CHARGE IF YOU DONT LIKE IT PICK SOMEONE WHO BETTER SUITES YOUR FINANCIAL SITUATION!

If a girl is ugly, pretty, fat, toothless, small dick, etcc and she chooses to make her donation 500 its HER business, HER body, HER traveling expenses, HER hotel bills, HER airfare, HER condoms/lube, HER EXPENSES we have the CHOICE to charge what WE want.

SIMPLE

[crayons]

What is going on with the donation rates to see girls these days?

Why do you say donations? A donation is a gift, not a requirement. If you were giving them donations- they would not be set at a specific rate. What you are talking about is called a rate or fee. Why do people try and change titles like "escort" and "donations" instead of "Working girl" and "fee"? Does it somehow erradicate the guilt if you don't use the proper term or what?

[AllanahStarrNYC]

I think that in this free economy-an escort, or anyone for that matter, should be able to charge the fee that they feel they are worth. Just as you can get a haircut for $20 or several hundred dollars, you may find a very low pirced escort as well as a very high priced one.

I personally think a lot of girls actually price themselves too low. When you take into account how much money it costs to live this way, to become this way, travel expenses, the very high risks involved, and many other factors it is a proffesion that should be rewarding financially.

Do remember that just because someone is charging x amount per hour does not meah they are busy, or making money, or having a succesful trip.

It really is all relative when you average it out.

But most importantly, as a consumer you have the choice to pay for it or not.

[GroobySteven]

What is going on with the donation rates to see girls these days?

Why do you say donations? A donation is a gift, not a requirement. If you were giving them donations- they would not be set at a specific rate. What you are talking about is called a rate or fee. Why do people try and change titles like "escort" and "donations" instead of "Working girl" and "fee"? Does it somehow erradicate the guilt if you don't use the proper term or what?

It erradicates or at least grays, some legal issues.

seanchai

[otherguy]

If you are looking for a McDonald's there's one on nearly every corner.

Inflation, cost of living, and demand. Basic stuff really.

[nikkitsfun]

hey guys,

Most of the Ts/T-girls do not make a lot of money or cannot even find a "normal" job.

I myself am a license Loan Officer and a Real Estate Agent....and have been one for 5 years (before becoming a TS)

After my tits. I went to apply for a job as a loan officer to 10 dif. lending banks... i passed the written exams but for "some strange reason" none of the banks hired me....(could it be because my ID says Male)?.

My point...think about that how hard to get a job as a regular ts/t-girl. with no college education or real job prior to having tits...

The only thing that keeps me going is me doing real estate... (so I know I am lucky)

My husband (the one who took me from CD to TS) is now also teaching me to become a Ts webmistress.

I hope you guys understand why TS/T-girls need to charge you to see them...Everybody has to make money...simple as that

And as in your job and life...there are always cost of living increases...and what I have noticed...you get what you pay for...if you want to save money...buy from Wallmart.

Play & Be Safe,

Nikki

[crayons]

It erradicates or at least grays, some legal issues.

seanchai

Thanks for clarifying. I appreciate it.

[BeardedOne]

This thread, and variations thereof, is second only to the amigay question.

I actually had a bit of a problem with the pay-for-play concept at first, but I used my financial savvy (Which is what eventually pays for this stuff) and did the basic math. The year I spent with my last (Emphasis on LAST) "lover", a 3G on no limited talent, cost roughly $5k +/- in varied expenses from gas and tolls (She lived three states away) to lost income (Taking days off to spend with her), dinners, gifts, yada, yada, yada.

Add to this the near-suicidal breakdown she triggered, the time off from work, lost business revenue, HMO deductibles, meds, excessive drinking, blah, blah, blah. Ka-ching! About anohter $7-10k.

Since then, in one year, I spent about $2k in "donations" with two gurls. Already far less than the previous, pointless investment. One of the gurls was extremely generous with her time, so the average $1 went a long way in our day together, and the other was clearly footing the bill as to venue and her transportation to and from town, meals, etc.

Get real, people. The basic rack rate for a decent hotel room is in the neighborhood of $200 +/-, depending on city/region. Add flight costs for visiting gurls, sedan/taxi service, meals, taxes...

Life sucks, and it is =never= cheap.

While I am somewhat wary of what an "hour" can be in this case, I also see the overall numbers and understand what the gurls are basing their figures on. I expect fair service, but don't bitch about the numbers.

[naughtyboy]

My experience with most women is the first time I see them I pay the rate that they ask. After they get to meet me and we have a favorable experience, the price goes down as they know I am a great bottom and not a danger to them.

If you think from the woman's point of view they are allowing some stranger to come visit them and be intimate with them. They don't know if you are on drugs or carrying a weapon or some other sort of psycho. There is a risk involved.

This is why I tend to limit myself to the gals I know or ones that have favorable reviews.

The next woman I'd like to see is the lovely Allanah as she is truly a legend. Of course I'm not sure if I'm willing to cough up the $300-400 she asks for, but as she said if people will pay it why shouldn't she charge it??

[templek]

It erradicates or at least grays, some legal issues.

seanchai

Thanks for clarifying. I appreciate it.

Not sure if it really clarifies things. Most escorts have on their website words to the effect :
'this is not an offer of prostitution, payment is for time only and what goes on is between consenting adults. Anyone who calls agrees to these terms so do not use for entrapment purposes by authorities' etc etc

But escorts can still be arrested by undercover cops replying to their websites. So we can argue all day about semantics: donations, fees, clients, escorts, etc but its still prostitution no matter how you dress things up. Also undercover cops just have to come on this site and know from the threads and girls postings what is really going on.

[templek]

And just how many girls do you think there are per percenta of the population?

The issue is that we're not making $400 every hour of every day. It's not just that hour we spend with the client. It's the time spent tidying up, getting ready, arranging to do your chores on another day, dealing with it all mentally of selling your body. All of that is included in the service.

The reality is that most would work in regular jobs if they could. And would be over the moon to make $30/hour let alone $100. But due to them being transsexual, that's not realistically going to happen.

If they didn't charge those rates then they wouldn't be able to afford their surgery, their hormones, and, they'd look like hairy old men.

Please do not believe that your money is being wasted. Honestly and whole heartedly, it is not.

Just a quick point, on Alison's website she says she does not give or receive anal. Yet she charges the same rate as girls who do. Is that VFM?

[Kriss]

Why do you say donations? A donation is a gift, not a requirement. If you were giving them donations- they would not be set at a specific rate. What you are talking about is called a rate or fee. Why do people try and change titles like "escort" and "donations" instead of "Working girl" and "fee"? Does it somehow erradicate the guilt if you don't use the proper term or what?

You're quite right, in future I will always refer to the girl as "whore" and the 'donation' as "dirty fuck money"

[Alison Faraday]

Just a quick point, on Alison's website she says she does not give or receive anal. Yet she charges the same rate as girls who do. Is that VFM?

Yes that's correct. It's purely at my discression. My company and hospitality is very good value for money. I enjoy my clients and put time and effort into their visits. The majority of my clients are company directors and professionals.

And with 5-girls serially murdered right outside my front door I can charge what I want. (Remember it on the worldwide news in December..)

Also.. Escorting isn't illegal in the UK anyway if you're working alone. That and I don't strictly offer sexual services. If you would like a day tour around the Cambridge Colleges I can do that too. I'm on the Alumni.

The point is; You would be paying for my time. I'm not here as an inanimate object to fulfil your sexual needs. I'm here to pay for my surgery. I didn't just wake up one morning and think to myself how wonderful and fun it would be to sell my body.

[crayons]

Not sure if it really clarifies things. Most escorts have on their website words to the effect :
'this is not an offer of prostitution, payment is for time only and what goes on is between consenting adults. Anyone who calls agrees to these terms so do not use for entrapment purposes by authorities' etc etc

But escorts can still be arrested by undercover cops replying to their websites. So we can argue all day about semantics: donations, fees, clients, escorts, etc but its still prostitution no matter how you dress things up. Also undercover cops just have to come on this site and know from the threads and girls postings what is really going on.

Actually for me it helped clarify the question I had. I know a lot of people have denials about saying they're prostituting and therefore resort to using the word "escort" supposedly attempting to delude people that there is a difference and falling back on the "your paying for my time" crap.
If there are legal reasons to mascarade as though this is a perfectly legtimate and innocent move than that I can understand- however if any person actually argues the point that escorting and prostitution are two different things then I'd like to hear their case.

[Kriss]

If you think from the woman's point of view they are allowing some stranger to come visit them and be intimate with them. They don't know if you are on drugs or carrying a weapon or some other sort of psycho. There is a risk involved.


This is something that no-one likes to think about but is a genuine issue. Unfortuneatly some guys get out of line when they don't get exactly what they want, especiaslly when they "paid for it", some are just totally f*ck!n psycho! This business is somewhat reliant on secrecy and with most TS girls working independantly, it can't be easy arranging adequate security. I fear this is a touchy subject, especially with the recent news regarding psycho clients, and this is not being patronising or pity. However, safety is important, girls have to protect themselves legally by being discreet and checking a guy out in case he is a cop, how do they know he is not a nutcase? I have heard of window brothels in Amsterdam that use covert security cameras, basically cctv monitered 'out back', If you use a simple frequency scanner(within range) it is possible to eavesdrop on these signals like police radio. Of course with this system everything is built in, costs are reduced as one 'minder' watches up to 6 rooms. I once shared a flat with a guy who worked security at a brothel, kind of a gentle giant soft of guy, I think he was a regular that got offered the job. Now for a 'visiting' girl to have adequate security we're talking extra hotel room next door, trusted level headed security(travel costsx2), some kind of 'baby moniter' system, already the costs are going through the roof. On the other hand I've heard some nasty stories, psycho clients, stalkers and jealous boyfriends. If the cost of a working girl's comfort and safety pushes prices up then so be it, I for one am happy to pay. Round here if you hire a (reasonable quality)Ggirl 'outcall', she arrives with a 'chauffer' who waits outside in the car and gets his wage for the night. If some girls see 4 guys a day for $200each, and some charge $400 but see only 2 clients, I know who I would rather see.

[AllanahStarrNYC]

It erradicates or at least grays, some legal issues.

seanchai

Thanks for clarifying. I appreciate it.

Not sure if it really clarifies things. Most escorts have on their website words to the effect :
'this is not an offer of prostitution, payment is for time only and what goes on is between consenting adults. Anyone who calls agrees to these terms so do not use for entrapment purposes by authorities' etc etc

But escorts can still be arrested by undercover cops replying to their websites. So we can argue all day about semantics: donations, fees, clients, escorts, etc but its still prostitution no matter how you dress things up. Also undercover cops just have to come on this site and know from the threads and girls postings what is really going on.

disclaimers mean nothing. in order for you to be arrested, they have to have evidence. in some sates, just escorting without a liscense is enough for an arrest. but since the police have nothing better to do-they will usually try to attact a solicitation charge on to and sometimes a few others.

saying your GFE in some states is considered solicitation.

it is completely legal to escort and accept $ for time. it is legal to have someone pay you for your time and you decide to have sex with them as a personal choice, as long as there never an explicit transaction of a sexual favor for money. that can be defined with something so minute as
asking someone to touch your breasts.

of course this ia all ridiculous and these archaic laws in the us are absolutely stupid. i am glad to see that there are NO unsolved muders, rapes, missing persons cases that need to be solved so escorts are the next logical criminals for le to go after (being scarcastic)

my advice to any escort operating in the US would be to have all reviews removed- as they give the impression to think that you are offering sex for money, don't rely on your disclaimer yo protect you, make sure you make it clear that you are an escort and the fee is not for sex.

there is an immense risk you take for working as an escort-
the next person you can meet could be a thief, a rapist, a murderer, or vice trying to harass you.

i think its very easy to sit back and look at from a client's point of you and not realize the bullshit you have to go through. both physically and -mentally. it is a very taxing proffesion on both ends. that is why so many girls end up so burnt out-what i call sex industry burn out. happens to strippers, escrots, adult entertainers-etc

[Linsey]

OK, I can't sit back and take it any longer, this discussion (as all discussions of this sort) is driving me nuts.

First of all, the rates that TS escorts charge are driven strictly by the laws of supply and demand. A TS escort can charge whatever she wants, but if too few people are willing to pay that rate, then the rate will have to be lowered or she will have to find some other means of employment.

Now I agree that there are probably a lot of TS escorts who are underpricing themseelves, because just like most small business owners they don;t have the time or the money to research their market and find out how much their services are really worth, and just go by what feels about right. Underpricing by one TS escort can be a problem for all the pthers who work in the same area as it will tend to pull their rates down also.

Now if another TS escort moves into the area....

*smacks myself* Oops, sorry for that I slipped into economist mode. Evidently I am spending to many hours working on my Masters degree in Economics. Hey, that gives me an idea. Maybe I can do an analysis of the TS escort market for my thesis. I could find out the supply and demand curves, figure out how much "premium" services were worth, find out what the substitution effect is on the GG escort market, and....

Oh wait, if a presented that idea to my advisor, he would probably stare at me for a minute, then throw me out of his office and tell me to come back when I had a "real" topic.

Anyway, one last thing. Alison I have always wanted to go see Cambridge College, and having you give me a tour would be incredible. It would cost me a pretty penny though, since 1 British Pound = 1.95 US Dollars. Oh well, I can add that to my wish list.

-Linsey :)

[tslvr]

Thanks everyone for your responses. I guess what I was trying to get at was that up until the last few years or so, I was seeing about one to two girls per month(and more than 2/3's of those dates sucked), now with the donation rates, I am down to about once every three-four months. So, for years I was spreading the 'wealth' as a regular visitor, but have been priced out of the market.
Wendy, sorry if I offended you, but let's face it, if you have priced the regular guy out of the market...it won't take long before the rest of the market dries up.

[suckseed]

I know if I were a gg or ts escort, I'd want to go with the classiest clientele I could attract. Why would anyone fuck 5 people for $100 when they could fuck one for $500? Or $5000? To me one of the biggest downsides of escorting would be getting burnt out on sex. That would be like being married or something. :shock: :wink:

[Kriss]

now with the donation rates, I am down to about once every three-four months. So, for years I was spreading the 'wealth' as a regular visitor, but have been priced out of the market....it won't take long before the rest of the market dries up.

Rest assured buddy, 'the market' will always be there and at different levels, watch carefully and you will see a girl's rates rise in direct correlation to her expenditure on surgeries and various beautifications. The truth is that there are a lot of wealthy guys out there, big dollar pinstripe guys that spend $1000 on lunch. These c*nts will NEVER be open about their love for TS girls, but they are the sugar daddies that finance the expensive changes a girl needs for herself. Don't worry tslvr, she will call you when she is 45 and sagging and want's to settle down.

[Alison Faraday]

Anyway, one last thing. Alison I have always wanted to go see Cambridge College, and having you give me a tour would be incredible. It would cost me a pretty penny though, since 1 British Pound = 1.95 US Dollars. Oh well, I can add that to my wish list.

-Linsey :)

It would be a pleasure. :)

[Felicia Katt]

If you think prices are "out of hand" you can always take matters into your own hand :) Grease the girls palm, (with cash) or your own with vaseline LOL

meow
FK

[Shining Star]

If you think prices are "out of hand" you can always take matters into your own hand :) Grease the girls palm, (with cash) or your own with vaseline LOL

meow
FKLike anything else, rates are a factor of supply/demand and marketing. An escort living in Manhattan has much different expenses than someone living say in the deep south. Then again the market for a particular type of person and more important the potential customer base is very different as well.

There is also the fact when it comes to selling anythng one can either sell allot of it at a low price, or a small amount for vast sums. If one is living in say NYC or any large metropolitan area, where LE and nosy neighbors are a problem it is probably better to see a few people and make your monthly nut than have a constant stream of men parading in and out of your house day and night each.

As to weather or not clients receive value for money, that is another matter and best researched on any number of good review sites before paying.

If guys stopped paying $$$ for poor service, and or refused to pay a certian rate then rates would probably drop. But so many guys simply pay regardless that bad providers are rewarded and have no incentive to either provide better service or lower their rates. However like all things, rates can be negotiated. Even high price girls will probably lower rates if times are hard, business has been slow and or they need cash quickly.

If one adds up the numbers, seeing one or two guys per day or only several a week at $400 still adds up to a tidy tax free sum; while hopefully not attracting too much attention from neighbors. It also allows a provider to turn away callers/situations they are not comfortable with and or suspect may be LE. Add a few out calls (which one hears now go for $600 or more in most cases), and again the provider has a pretty tidy living.

Regarding disclaimers: we've been down that road many times. They mean absolutely nothing. Squat! Zip! Nada! Anyone who thinks they can advertise on Eros or any other place known for "escorting" and just because of a few words throw LE or any one else off track, is sadly mistaken.

Laws vary by state, but mainly boil down to stating that prositution is the offer of sex for money. Note stated "offer" not having sex, but merely offering. State laws and court rulings have left "offer" to define anything from out right statements to batting an eye/taking money, getting undressed, to touching. From what girls in NYC have told me about their experiences of being busted, LE takes lots of evidence at the bust in terms of pictures of the bed/sofa, the suspect (to show how they were dressed at the time), LE will even "enhance" a bust by knocking down a bra strap or pushing open a robe before the squad standing outside the door busts in. They also take pictures of any sexual aids such as lubricants,sex toys, condoms (all of which are confiscated as evidence)

All if not most LE/vice sqauds have departments that do nothing but call adverts/tips/complaints. They know all the major websites, newspapers and other venues for escort advertising in their area. This inculudes the Village Voice and "penny-saver" type papers, and of course now Craigslist. How a provider responds to a phone call determines to some extent how things proceed. This is why old school providers wouldn't give anything more than location and amount. Whereas today lots of girls will tell you rates, services and location. Even before telephoning, LE already has a wealth of information, especially if the location has had an arrest before. From just a phone number (listed, unlisted, cell phone, it does not matter). LE can find out who lives at an location (or at least who the phone number is listed under), and from there they can use several other data bases to gather more information. In short by the time the sting is set up, LE pretty much has a good idea of what is going on and who is doing it. They know more if complaints are called in as usually it is neighbors/landlords making the call who are happy to provide lots of information.

LE most always used the "Duck" and decent woman/citizen rule when it comes to prossing. The first is simple; if it walks like a duck...... it must be a duck. That is if one is engaging in behaviour of a pross, then it pretty much follows that is what you are doing. As for decent woman/citizen; no decent woman/man would open the door to his/her home wearing lingerie/minimal clothing and invite a total stranger into her home, much less ask for a "donation". They certianly wouldn't ask that stranger to get undressed, or touch them.

And so it goes. If one has been arrested/charged before and or the location has a history of prossie arrests/illegal activity the chances are greater for future busts as LE keeps the location on file. That is one reason many girls move so often.

[Shining Star]

The "Gay" Work Around:

Check Rentboy.com and other male escort sites/adverts and you'll see ads from men who clearly state men are paying for their time only and there is no touching. What happens is the guy shows up/goes out on a call and the client simply "takes care of himself", while the provider poses. Since there is no sex involved (a guy doing stuff to himself while watching you is not considered having sex with you since YOU are not involved). Body builders, male models, male dancers at gay clubs (many of whom are gay for pay),young guys/studs even some current and former Playgirl and other sort of the same models make a tidy living this way. Even if they are "straight" it doesn't matter since they are not having sex with another man.

Now how many non-gay men would pay $$$ just for looking at a semi nude person is anyone's guess. Am guessing this sort of market is mainly older and or lonely gay man who couldn't get next to a "stud" any other way.

L.

[sucka4chix]

1st of all, from a consumer stand point yes they're GETTING out of hand.It's simple economics, which is the study of man's UNLIMITED want of LIMITED resources. Sorry, to step on any toes, but what's necessary to you is defined by the standard of living you want to achieve, so it's silly to try and say every escort needs to charge $400 an hour. I know too many that have been at it a minute and have never charged over $200 and live well... and look good.It is your UNLIMITED want that makes the rates skyrocket!
What's interesting is the same girl who charges $300 on Eros will do you for half that if you see her ad somewhere else, so obviously it's not necessary to cover her expenses, just an attempt to maximize profits.
Surely, a hot, popular girl could charge a grand an hour, and someone would pay it--- hey get in where you fit in. Will she be 5 times better than a girl who charges $200, or better yet, will she be better than 5 girls who charge $200---hell no. And sorry again, but who says you get what you pay for? Bullshit! The worst experience I ever had was the one I paid the most for!And a $400 "escort" can give you a disease as easily as a $10 ho, so I don't know why y'all went their.
Fortunately, their are plenty of girls who are still affordable. If you're a superSTARR, aim for the sky, but these no-name newbies trying to get big money...pa-lease!
I think the point being made at the beginning was for a little empathy for a working class guy who may be a fan and probably helped in your rise to fame, who has basically no course of action to meet you except under a business arrangement. Yes, we understand your predicament, your risks, your expenses--- but can someone at least say " we understand that we're asking you to spend everything you made this week on one hour, and we appreciate it!" instead of the always condescending "maybe you should look for an escort more suitable to your current financial situation"

[sucka4chix]

But so many guys simply pay regardless that bad providers are rewarded and have no incentive to either provide better service or lower their rates.

Ahhh, one of the downfalls of dealing in illicit activities--- many guys won't make a fuss since they have no legal recourse and are on the "DL" anyway. The provider has the upper hand because of this.

[Kriss]

Good post, It occured to me that a more pressing concern for girls may be the IRS and other tax bodies. The law is a rubber band but when it comes to peole having fun- the government WANT'S THEIR CUT. In other 'grey area' industries, say, the dutch cannabis market, things run a lot smoother if you PAY YOUR TAX! similar story with prostitution in Holland, Dutch are so strange, turn a blind eye to the distribution of product but hold a magnifying glass to other regulations/documentation/endless red-tape.

[Kriss]

Ahhh, one of the downfalls of dealing in illicit activities--- many guys won't make a fuss since they have no legal recourse and are on the "DL" anyway. The provider has the upper hand because of this.

Pssst, buddy, over here......

www.groups.yahoo.com/group/TS_ESCORT_REVIEWS/

Ignorance May Be Bliss,

But Knowledge Is Power !! ':lol:'

[sucka4chix]

Pssst, buddy, over here......

www.groups.yahoo.com/group/TS_ESCORT_REVIEWS/

Ignorance May Be Bliss,

But Knowledge Is Power !! ':lol:'

Sound like that guy on sesame street...you got a letter T under your jacket?
Oh, and while I've found reviews not to be totally useless, they're close. You have to find out for yourself-- you may not know the escort, but you don't know these reviewers either!

[Kriss]

Will she be 5 times better than a girl who charges $200, or better yet, will she be better than 5 girls who charge $200---hell no.

I beg to differ. Quality over Quantity


And sorry again, but who says you get what you pay for? Bullshit! The worst experience I ever had was the one I paid the most for!

YOU get what YOU pay for


man's UNLIMITED want of LIMITED resources.

Someone who should know said on this topic that the TS "sector" of the porn/escort (same thing?) "industry" is about 3%. Basically we want it, they got it, where else you gonna go? If you don't like paying extortionate restaurant prices for lobster, get a boat , sail out to the mid atlantic and take your pick. Plus it's not just supply and demand, A kilo of cocaine sells for one figure in Manhatten, the same kilo sells for a tenth of the price in Kingston J.A., and lobster is a lot cheaper in Cornwall, it's what the market will bear.
Sorry to use this analogy girls but you are addictive...........

[sucka4chix]

I beg to differ. Quality over Quantity...YOU get what YOU pay for

Oh I agree, but you cannot judge quality by price, especially in a market that you admit is not only driven by supply and demand ( but by the egos of the provider)... and an evening with 5 around-the-way-girls is almost assuredly gonna be more memorable than one snooty tooty howty towty one!

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

A CEO of a major company takes a friend of his who has just become a CEO of another company to look at boats. When they arrive, they look at the various boats in the showroom and the yachts outside in the back area. The new CEO asks his friend "how much is that boat out in the back?" referring to a yacht; and his friend looks at him and says "If you have to ask you can't afford it"

point is: If you feel the need to question the financial (let's face it) obligation you are expected to provide for whatever it's called at that hour [donations, bills, or my personal favorite "roses"] then you really shouldn't be looking.

[sucka4chix]

A CEO of a major company takes a friend of his who has just become a CEO of another company to look at boats. When they arrive, they look at the various boats in the showroom and the yachts outside in the back area. The new CEO asks his friend "how much is that boat out in the back?" referring to a yacht; and his friend looks at him and says "If you have to ask you can't afford it"

point is: If you feel the need to question the financial (let's face it) obligation you are expected to provide for whatever it's called at that hour [donations, bills, or my personal favorite "roses"] then you really shouldn't be looking.


Yeah that's the same thing they said to Jed Clampitt!

[Shining Star]

Only providers that pay income tax I've known, and this included trannies,GGs, men; strippers as well as "escorts" are those who need to show a paper trail. These people save, invest, own property etc and need to show their income. Heck even having a bank account but no income can trigger the IRS, but think mainly they look at interest bearing/investment accounts. However if one is moving large sums of cash money per month, the bank may report it anyway.

Smart providers/strippers declare all or a portion if their income so they can invest and otherwise get their money to "work for them". The IRS requires all income to be reported, no matter how it is earned, so most just say they are self-employed as something. Al Capone was many things, including a murderer, but went to prison for tax evasion.

Problem many trannies have, at least in NYC is renting an apartment without visable means of support. Used to be some landlords looked the otherway when providers showed up to rent an apartment with a bag full of cash, but between the hot rental market, and increased LE activity things have changed. Believe it or not, many landlords consider some "providers" a good tenant risk as they will almost always pay their rent on time (usually in cash). However trannies earned the reputation for causing all sorts of building/community problems and skipping out on the rent, so things are a bit harder for them. The East 70's 80's between Third and First Avenue used to be a trannie supermarket, with lots of girls. But now that that that area is hot and landlords able to attract good rental tenants, the girls for the most part are gone.


L.

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

Problem many trannies have, at least in NYC is renting an apartment without visable means of support. Used to be some landlords looked the otherway when providers showed up to rent an apartment with a bag full of cash, but between the hot rental market, and increased LE activity things have changed. Believe it or not, many landlords consider some "providers" a good tenant risk as they will almost always pay their rent on time (usually in cash). However trannies earned the reputation for causing all sorts of building/community problems and skipping out on the rent, so things are a bit harder for them. The East 70's 80's between Third and First Avenue used to be a trannie supermarket, with lots of girls. But now that that that area is hot and landlords able to attract good rental tenants, the girls for the most part are gone.


L.

and they move their asses to (or in some cases back to) the surrounding boros, aka Park Slope in BK, Astoria & Woodside in Queens, and various spots in the BX

I have to disagree with you on one thing, I know quite a few girls that have had no prob getting a place at least in Queens, one of them from out of state, renting a beautiful 2 bedroom apartment for $1200/month and she's never here (lol, I know she's reading this)

this would be a great topic on it's own, many of us know a little rat that robs many of the NYC girls for rent money and puts them up in shacks because they don't have their papers correct.................

if a few guys got together and bought like 2 3 bedroom apartments.........................lol
nevermind

[qeuqheeg222]

is there much volatility in this market right now?

[tsmandy]

Funny but everytime I seem to open a weekly in just about any major city, the paper is filled with TS escorts willing to bone for a hundred bucks. I look on CL and there are plenty of girls within your price range. But who you choose to complain about are the girls that you cannot afford.

Some girls have worked for years to build up a clientele, reputation, and a killer body (which takes work in case you haven't put 2 and 2 together). And through all of this they have decided to charge what they feel they deserve. Whether thats 50 bucks or 500 bucks shouldn't really be criticized.

Go see the girl who charges 150 an hour

[Shining Star]

Well Queens is another story, guess should have stated Manhattan rentals in mostly every area now but the worst psrts of Harlem.

When you think about it the outer boroughs/surburbs are probably better than Manhattan. Most areas are quiet at least during the day when everyone is at work/school. But this didn't stop LE from busting a woman working in Bedford/Westchester last week. The Jewish school who rented her the home is now in the process of evicting her now that her "business" has been exposed.

Time was Manhttan was the spot for all providers and guys would travel into the city from whevever. But now with the Interent, it is easier to work in say Brooklyn or Queens as the locals in theory are closer. You probably won't get a business man staying at the Plaza to take a cab to Park Slope, but the locals and guys from Long Island shouldn't have too much trouble.

Only good thing about Manhattan is it is easier to be " invisable" , and people for the most part keep out of your business long as one behaves themselves or is discreet. FWIU problem for the "east 80's" trannies is that most were hardly discreet, and some began approaching the men in the area. Well the wives/GGs of the area were not going to stand for that. Heard one girl used to stand at her window with her top off beckoning to guys.

[Kriss]

I look on CL and there are plenty of girls within your price range.

[dgtlmstry]

Not sure if someone already mentioned this...but is anyone else thinking: Coupons? lol

Kidding. Just want to lighten the mood, friends.

[AllanahStarrNYC]

I think the bottom line is that you should shop for what you can afford and be cool with that.

I would not go into Chanel looking to buy a purse and expect to get a deal or ask the sales girl for a discount.

There are cetain things where bartering is ok- but I don't go the hair dresser and ask him for a discount.

You can price yourself at any point you wish-it's all about what people are willing to pay. If you can command it- go for it.

[BeardedOne]

Not sure if someone already mentioned this...but is anyone else thinking: Coupons? lol

Kidding. Just want to lighten the mood, friends.

Or perhaps something like the hotels offer: Stay ten nights and the next is on us! :)

Though I do seem to recall a couple of gurls that had a sort of BOGO going on that was not unreasonable. They were a package deal. :peanutbutter :peanutbutter

[hwbs]

U know we all had a nice chuckle over the other guy getting hassled for his $80 investment offer.....thing is ,there are girls charging 300-400 hr giving guys the same treatment or worse..

[Looking 4 Now]

U know we all had a nice chuckle over the other guy getting hassled for his $80 investment offer.....thing is ,there are girls charging 300-400 hr giving guys the same treatment or worse..

you got that right

[XPBMX]

hey guys,

Most of the Ts/T-girls do not make a lot of money or cannot even find a "normal" job.

I myself am a license Loan Officer and a Real Estate Agent....and have been one for 5 years (before becoming a TS)

After my tits. I went to apply for a job as a loan officer to 10 dif. lending banks... i passed the written exams but for "some strange reason" none of the banks hired me....(could it be because my ID says Male)?.

NikkiGood point. You know I always thought about that aspect of choosing to live openly as you are and how it would affect your ability to earn money OUTSIDE the realm of say an escort service, this IN turn causes a social dilema because you girls sometimes cannot AFFORD to simply date men, instead because of the stigma attached to your openess, you are driven in my opinion to embrace the escort industry or maybe film industry and I am not all that sure all girls like yourself want this . A good case in point would have to be Olvia Love .

[Shining Star]

Not meaning to argue Allanah, but at least when you shop at Chanel, Guccir or whatever you are getting what you paid for; there are allot of girls who charge $$$ and fail to perform, much less live up to their reputation or reviews.

Who wants to have paid $500 and hear " I won't do this, no I don't do that, hurry up," and otherwise have a bored, distracted clock watching provider. Yes, there are providers out there who make the extra effort and go the distance, but there seem to be far more who look at dates as easier prey than robbing someone on the street.

If you read the reviews there are many guys who scrimp and save just to see a top rated girl, and willingly pay $$$, only to be treated like last week's fish dinner.

Back when Internet ads were just taking off, and NY-Exotics was the main game in town, you would get girls pricing $$$ for calls from the web, and $$ for calls from Screw, and $ for calls from the Village Voice. Now it is the same stunning girl, why are her rates so different depending upon where they are advertised? Even today, Internet generated calls most always are quoted higher rates than say the VV or Craigslist. Heck until the strolls were closed down you could find some of the same girls down on the Meatpacking district for $.

There are a lof of girls out there who do provide awful services. And I do feel bad for guys who get ripped of, as no one deserves that.

Again I do not understand why anyone would change prices from venue to venue.

[sucka4chix]

I think the bottom line is that you should shop for what you can afford and be cool with that.

I would not go into Chanel looking to buy a purse and expect to get a deal or ask the sales girl for a discount.

There are cetain things where bartering is ok- but I don't go the hair dresser and ask him for a discount.

You can price yourself at any point you wish-it's all about what people are willing to pay. If you can command it- go for it.

True, and your calm responses are refreshing! No need for girls to go into the "I'm so tired of..." tirade when a guy is complaining about HIM being priced out of the market. That's not necessarily a knock on the girls, just a feeling of regret that he can't kick it like he used to.
And about the purse... if hypothetically they sold a purse at Wal-mart for $10.00, but it became very trendy and later could only be purchased at a specialty store for $ 400, you would probably regret that happening from a consumer standpoint--- doesn't mean you hate the manufacturer for getting his, but after all, it's something you used be able to afford, now it's the exact same product but you can't!

[JelenaCD]

i would pay $250 - $300 range for the right lady , i think the prices are reasonable, I mean don't many genetic girls charge the same rate ?

[AllanahStarrNYC]

I think the bottom line is that you should shop for what you can afford and be cool with that.

I would not go into Chanel looking to buy a purse and expect to get a deal or ask the sales girl for a discount.

There are cetain things where bartering is ok- but I don't go the hair dresser and ask him for a discount.

You can price yourself at any point you wish-it's all about what people are willing to pay. If you can command it- go for it.

True, and your calm responses are refreshing! No need for girls to go into the "I'm so tired of..." tirade when a guy is complaining about HIM being priced out of the market. That's not necessarily a knock on the girls, just a feeling of regret that he can't kick it like he used to.
And about the purse... if hypothetically they sold a purse at Wal-mart for $10.00, but it became very trendy and later could only be purchased at a specialty store for $ 400, you would probably regret that happening from a consumer standpoint--- doesn't mean you hate the manufacturer for getting his, but after all, it's something you used be able to afford, now it's the exact same product but you can't!

Yes I understand what you are saying but somethings do not go on sale. Ever.

AND- I think it's very important to keep prices consistenly always.

[AllanahStarrNYC]

Not meaning to argue Allanah, but at least when you shop at Chanel, Guccir or whatever you are getting what you paid for; there are allot of girls who charge $$$ and fail to perform, much less live up to their reputation or reviews.

Who wants to have paid $500 and hear " I won't do this, no I don't do that, hurry up," and otherwise have a bored, distracted clock watching provider. Yes, there are providers out there who make the extra effort and go the distance, but there seem to be far more who look at dates as easier prey than robbing someone on the street.

If you read the reviews there are many guys who scrimp and save just to see a top rated girl, and willingly pay $$$, only to be treated like last week's fish dinner.

Back when Internet ads were just taking off, and NY-Exotics was the main game in town, you would get girls pricing $$$ for calls from the web, and $$ for calls from Screw, and $ for calls from the Village Voice. Now it is the same stunning girl, why are her rates so different depending upon where they are advertised? Even today, Internet generated calls most always are quoted higher rates than say the VV or Craigslist. Heck until the strolls were closed down you could find some of the same girls down on the Meatpacking district for $.

There are a lof of girls out there who do provide awful services. And I do feel bad for guys who get ripped of, as no one deserves that.

Again I do not understand why anyone would change prices from venue to venue.

I don't think anyone deserves to be ripped off either-I think that sucks and is very unfortunate and does give a bad name to all the girls.

As far as not doing this or that for an x amount of money right there- well that is prostitution right there-very open- and what I can say is that someone should only do what they feel comfortable doing and if they choose to do so. I can't agree with the frame of mind that paying an x amount of dollars makes you the owner of that person for a certain period of time. And I am not saying you think that way-but some people do.

[dabaldone]

Because you choose to pay for it. Face it it is business and people really want these TSgirls. So pay it or try new and inventive ways to get it. Myself? I make shittttttaaaah wages but I can go to a TS bar and pick up somone that wants to have fun and they look wonderful. If I paid for it I would not bitch.

Amen brother. If you choose to pay for it, you are also paying for keeping your preferences a secret. Try something new, take a girl to dinner, a play or a movie. Invite her over for a drink and some DVD's at home otherwise just pay thru the nose and take it.

[smoothwetkisses]

You are not powerless. Over the past year I have had the experience of seeing 6 ladies.The going rate was $$$. 4 of the six I had a great time and great experience they were well worth the cost and would probably pay more. The other two while both lovely ladies were bad. Total rushed in and out experiances not even close to being worth it. All you can do is reward the good ladies and treat them well and give totally crappy reviews to the bad. When business drops off things will change.

[a994]

Also keep in mind that inflation affects the ladies (and the Necessities Of Life that they must pay for), just as it does us.

And from your perspective: would you rather pay $500 for a nice evening with a really sexy, clean lady, or would you rather pay only $100 and end up with a cracked-out crossdresser?

[mpcc2004]

two things:

1. You usually get what you pay for. That doesn't mean that someone ono the streets for $50 is always bad or that someone who charges $500 (which would be high for Chicago) is always going to be great. However, more times than not the rule holds.

2. I personally don't feel comfortable haggling over price with someone I am going to be having sex with. Sex is a very personal thing and I want her at her best. Also you are paying for a service. Prices are typically not negotiable in any service industry although I'm sure there are some exceptions to that as well.

[a994]

Not meaning to argue Allanah, but at least when you shop at Chanel, Guccir or whatever you are getting what you paid for; there are allot of girls who charge $$$ and fail to perform, much less live up to their reputation or reviews.

Who wants to have paid $500 and hear " I won't do this, no I don't do that, hurry up," and otherwise have a bored, distracted clock watching provider. Yes, there are providers out there who make the extra effort and go the distance, but there seem to be far more who look at dates as easier prey than robbing someone on the street.

If you read the reviews there are many guys who scrimp and save just to see a top rated girl, and willingly pay $$$, only to be treated like last week's fish dinner.

Back when Internet ads were just taking off, and NY-Exotics was the main game in town, you would get girls pricing $$$ for calls from the web, and $$ for calls from Screw, and $ for calls from the Village Voice. Now it is the same stunning girl, why are her rates so different depending upon where they are advertised? Even today, Internet generated calls most always are quoted higher rates than say the VV or Craigslist. Heck until the strolls were closed down you could find some of the same girls down on the Meatpacking district for $.

There are a lof of girls out there who do provide awful services. And I do feel bad for guys who get ripped of, as no one deserves that.

Again I do not understand why anyone would change prices from venue to venue.


Well, you know how it is. Until escorting is legalized, you can't count on Consumer Reports or the Better Business Bureau to guide you to the best escorts, nor can you have legal recourse to get a refund for substandard service. Sorry, it's one of the hazards of participating in what is still an outlaw lifestyle.

And remember: whatever risks you may take to see an escort, they're minor compared to the risks that the ladies must live with themselves.

[Byrdman]

two things:

1. You usually get what you pay for. That doesn't mean that someone ono the streets for $50 is always bad or that someone who charges $500 (which would be high for Chicago) is always going to be great. However, more times than not the rule holds.


I don't know about that. I tend to look for a GFE and some of the time I actually find myself avoiding the girls who are super-hot because - in my mind - if they are that hot, they probably don't need to be into it as much, since they'll always have guys calling them up.

I try to guess (and, admitedly, it's highly unscientific and I've gotten it wrong as often as I've gotten it right) and figure out which providers are likely to be bright, civil, friendly and willing to provide that GFE. Looks are secondary.

Sometimes, it works, sometimes it doesn't.

Funnily enough, when Allanah (who is one of my faves) was here in London the last time, one of the reasons I did not try to see her was that I figured she'd be so popular and overworked that it wouldn't be worth my while to go and see her.

In retrospect, it's pretty fucked up thinking and I wish I had tried to see her. Her popularity is as much a function of her personality (as we've seen with her posts on this board) as much as her looks and fame.

I'll be sure to catch her next time...

[tslvr]

Okay, okay...I get it, girls charge what the market will bear, but guys, how do you pay those rates and still just as often the service is poor. There are some girls here who charge those high numbers and their reviews have disappeared from the review sites. I can't imagine this has happened because their services were outstanding. So, the old statement of 'get what you pay for' doesn't apply.

[YasminLee]

MY TWO WORDS..NOT EVERYTHING IS SO CUT AND DRY...WE ARE JUST TALKING ABOUT MARIAM WHO GOT THROWN OUT OF A FOUR STORIES WINDOW...THESE ARE SUCH RISK THAT WE TAKE SEEING COMPLETE STRANGERS...KEEP IN MIND IT'S NOT COFFEE MAKERS WE'RE OFFERING..IT AN INITMATE TIME WITH OUR HARD EARN SCULBTED BODY...YES WE SOME GIRLS CHARGE MORE...AND IF THAT MEANS SEEING LESS GUYS CAUSE MOST GUYS CAN'T AFFORD...OH WELL...PERSONALLY I PAID FOR SERVICES TO TRY IT OUT..I GOTTA BE QUESTIONING WHAT TYPE OF GIRLS YOU'LL BE GETTING IF YOU'RE ONLY EXPECTING TO SPEND 100 OR SO....HMMM..

[werwt22]

And just how many girls do you think there are per percenta of the population?

The issue is that we're not making $400 every hour of every day. It's not just that hour we spend with the client. It's the time spent tidying up, getting ready, arranging to do your chores on another day, dealing with it all mentally of selling your body. All of that is included in the service.

The reality is that most would work in regular jobs if they could. And would be over the moon to make $30/hour let alone $100. But due to them being transsexual, that's not realistically going to happen.

If they didn't charge those rates then they wouldn't be able to afford their surgery, their hormones, and, they'd look like hairy old men.

Please do not believe that your money is being wasted. Honestly and whole heartedly, it is not.

IDK Alison. I normally agree with you but theres too many I see pushing Mercedes, BMWs, that go on shopping sprees all the time and ask for "gifts" to say that. I understand its ok to be spoiled but a lot of them get a little too used to the extra cash floating around in their pockets.

[tsntx]

when you have a desire that you,
a:want or "need" to keep a secret, or
b:when you're married or in a "commited" relationship, then you suck it up and you pay the piper... if you dont like having to pay for it then maybe you should meet a girl in a normal setting and treat her like a normal girl... if all you want is sex and see her as an object then by all means you SHOULD pay for it.... as far as pricing goes....

LUXURY item... not everyone has rolex's and top of the line sports cars... you wouldnt go to a jewelry store and expect to get a rolex for the same price as a swatch watch ... why should any other luxury item be different?

[MrsKellyPierce]

IF YOU LOOK LIKE ASS AND SHE LOOKS LIKE A SUPERMODEL DUUUUUUUUUHRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR IT'S NOT HARD TO FIGURE OUT.

[tsntx]

ROTFLMAO ^^^ well yeah that too

[MrsKellyPierce]

ROTFLMAO ^^^ well yeah that too And I totally agree, if you want to buy an object for an hour expect a good deal of cost with it. You don't want your wifey or your friends to find out you suck tranny cock. blah blah blah. Stop complaining and go find your next eros girl to post how hot she is.

[Kriss]

if you want to buy an object for an hour expect a good deal of cost with it.

Hmm, good point, and tying in with your recent YOUR LOVE thread.... www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=16372
Perhaps we can discuss some form of 'mid to long tem' structured repayment agreement, say, a 3 year Lease with an option to renew/buy? Better not tell J about this.
:mrgreen:

[SoCalDj25]

You want to save money.. go to TJ.. lol.

I, personally, have never acquired these services.. but as someone else said.. it's a luxury. So I have no issues with how an escort chooses to run their business.

Unfortunetly.. the route I take is more expensive.. haha.. I actually like to take girls out.

:]

[MrsKellyPierce]

if you want to buy an object for an hour expect a good deal of cost with it.

Hmm, good point, and tying in with your recent YOUR LOVE thread.... www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=16372
Perhaps we can discuss some form of 'mid to long tem' structured repayment agreement, say, a 3 year Lease with an option to renew/buy? Better not tell J about this.
:mrgreen: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[sucka4chix]

when you have a desire that you,
a:want or "need" to keep a secret, or
b:when you're married or in a "commited" relationship, then you suck it up and you pay the piper... if you dont like having to pay for it then maybe you should meet a girl in a normal setting and treat her like a normal girl... if all you want is sex and see her as an object then by all means you SHOULD pay for it.... as far as pricing goes....

LUXURY item... not everyone has rolex's and top of the line sports cars... you wouldnt go to a jewelry store and expect to get a rolex for the same price as a swatch watch ... why should any other luxury item be different?

Not everyone is married or in a relationship that sees an escort.
Some of us would love to meet a girl in a normal setting and treat her like a normal girl---but that's not very likely when MOST girls escort and if you don't meet a girl at a party she's "working" you don't meet them at all. I guess you could go to the supermarket and wait for a transsexual to happen by...
AND, if you want to be classified as a normal girl, then you can't be classified as a luxury item, but a normal item desired by normal men!

[slinky]

This isn't even a TS issue: it's an issue with the entire escort industry in general. Guys always complain about prices being too high and girls always complain about cheap tricks. Girls should charge whatever they want to, but they should also understand why there's not enough money in their bank accounts to pay the rent at the end of the month as a result of their pricing choices. Want to know the easiest way to see if a girl is overpriced? Check how much advertising she does. Correctly priced girls need to do a small to moderate amount of advertising, and girls shouldn't over advertise because that adds to their risk factor. If you see a girl on Craig's List who posts over and over again, it means she is spending too much time trying to drum up business and not enough time actually working. Same if you see a girl always trolling at the parties: if she was correctly priced, she'd have repeat customers and not always need new one's: NB: repeat customers are where it's at in this biz, because the risk factor declines substantially: you don't get busted the 4th time the trick sees you.

[Kriss]

:|

[slinky]

I just need to jet a job at wal mart.

Just when I'd finally forgotten about her.................

[tsntx]

when you have a desire that you,
a:want or "need" to keep a secret, or
b:when you're married or in a "commited" relationship, then you suck it up and you pay the piper... if you dont like having to pay for it then maybe you should meet a girl in a normal setting and treat her like a normal girl... if all you want is sex and see her as an object then by all means you SHOULD pay for it.... as far as pricing goes....

LUXURY item... not everyone has rolex's and top of the line sports cars... you wouldnt go to a jewelry store and expect to get a rolex for the same price as a swatch watch ... why should any other luxury item be different?

Not everyone is married or in a relationship that sees an escort.
Some of us would love to meet a girl in a normal setting and treat her like a normal girl---but that's not very likely when MOST girls escort and if you don't meet a girl at a party she's "working" you don't meet them at all. I guess you could go to the supermarket and wait for a transsexual to happen by...
AND, if you want to be classified as a normal girl, then you can't be classified as a luxury item, but a normal item desired by normal men!

i agree not all clients are married and not all are ashamed to be w/ a ts

but then those clients arent always up to the girls level of "hotness" or w/e you want to call it...

as far as girls that dont escort... well its possible and not that hard to find... consider where youre looking... i personally have an ad on yahoo for a normal guy.. all i get as far as replies *about 270 a week* are guys looking for sex... but there are dating sites out there that target the TS market and even sites like eharmony or other sites that are simular they may not have a section for guys like you but girls like me that are looking for a normal guy will be looking in places normal guys go...

not fag bars, or escort bars, or bars in general. women, ts or gg, dont go to bars looking for love... just one nighters and thus only see men there as looking for the same -j

[InHouston]

I agree. Any price above $200 is too much. The more they can charge one individual means the less they have to work in a given day. That's not fair to the customer.

[InHouston]

It's the time spent tidying up, getting ready, arranging to do your chores on another day, dealing with it all mentally of selling your body. All of that is included in the service.

Awwwww ... your job is so-o-o-o hard. So you spent, say, 30 minutes getting prepared? That's what they've all told me when I've asked.



If they didn't charge those rates then they wouldn't be able to afford their surgery, their hormones, and, they'd look like hairy old men.

Please do not believe that your money is being wasted. Honestly and whole heartedly, it is not.

That's a bunch of B.S. Girls that overcharge are just trying to get their rent paid in one fell swoop with less work.

To me, no piece of ass in the world is worth more than $200 no matter how hot or famous she is.

[InHouston]

i personally have an ad on yahoo for a normal guy.. all i get as far as replies *about 270 a week* are guys looking for sex

You say you're looking for a normal guy? How about changing that funky little immature attitude of yours. I saw one of your posts where you responded to a guy's compliments to you with "You can't afford me." And, since I live right down the street from you, I once sent you a private message asking if you wanted to have a drink cause I simply wanted to meet you in person. You sent me some smartass comment accusing me of playing games.

If you want a normal guy, then act normal. Your response to me would almost lead me to believe that you're a fake TG, because you think like you have a vagina.

[InHouston]

if all you want is sex and see her as an object then by all means you SHOULD pay for it.... as far as pricing goes....

Translation: Gold digger (and you know it) :smh .

You're not the last TG on the planet. Fortunately, there's always another TG hotter than you, who's working harder, has a better attitude, and is charging less.

You guys should sometimes try one that isn't your ideal choice for less, as long as you like her looks. You'll often find that the pleasant attitude from the girl makes the experience well worth it. I went to one girl from Eros who was charging only $100 and worked at Sears during the day in the clothing department. She looked okay on Eros, and turned out to be a hottie in person. She also turned out to be very very sweet and pleasant to talk to. She sat with me and on the sofa and we talked for an hour in no rush, and even served me beer before we got to business.

People like tsntx and others who think the world owes them something more, often in my experience turn out to be selfish little bitches who are nearly impossible to get along with on a personal level.

[sucka4chix]

It's the time spent tidying up, getting ready, arranging to do your chores on another day, dealing with it all mentally of selling your body. All of that is included in the service.

Awwwww ... your job is so-o-o-o hard. So you spent, say, 30 minutes getting prepared? That's what they've all told me when I've asked.
Girl sees a guy at 8:00... he pays for an hour.
Same girl sees a guy at 9:00.
Do the math, how much prep time is that?

[sucka4chix]

i agree not all clients are married and not all are ashamed to be w/ a ts

but then those clients arent always up to the girls level of "hotness" or w/e you want to call it...

as far as girls that dont escort... well its possible and not that hard to find... consider where youre looking... i personally have an ad on yahoo for a normal guy.. all i get as far as replies *about 270 a week* are guys looking for sex... but there are dating sites out there that target the TS market and even sites like eharmony or other sites that are simular they may not have a section for guys like you but girls like me that are looking for a normal guy will be looking in places normal guys go...

not fag bars, or escort bars, or bars in general. women, ts or gg, dont go to bars looking for love... just one nighters and thus only see men there as looking for the same -j

So girls are not attracted to the guys that want a relationship, that's what you're saying? (I agree with that by the way)
And girls that don't escort are a minority of t-girls that are already a minority of the overall dating pool. Since most experts suggest traffic to be the best way to find someone, the odds of finding a TS willing to date are phenomenally low, 'bout like winning the lottery (yeah it's possible, not likely).
As for sites dedicated to transgender dating, what I've found is the TSes are mostly using hem to escort and the people who want to date seriously are usually 50 year old CDs!
If you're into trans girls, meeting in a normal place is a great concept, but you never know if one is gonna be there--- if you like Puerto Ricans you wouldn't spend your money on a vacation to Sweden, hoping some would be there, you go on vacation in Puerto Rico (or New York)!

[tsntx]

i personally have an ad on yahoo for a normal guy.. all i get as far as replies *about 270 a week* are guys looking for sex

You say you're looking for a normal guy? How about changing that funky little immature attitude of yours. I saw one of your posts where you responded to a guy's compliments to you with "You can't afford me." And, since I live right down the street from you, I once sent you a private message asking if you wanted to have a drink cause I simply wanted to meet you in person. You sent me some smartass comment accusing me of playing games.

If you want a normal guy, then act normal. Your response to me would almost lead me to believe that you're a fake TG, because you think like you have a vagina.

so let me get this straight douchebag... you wanted to meet me... big whoop lots of ppl do... at the time that youre referring to i had a boyfriend... i dont drink alcohol so meeting a guy while i had a boyfriend for a drink wasnt EVER going to happen... also just b/c you want me doesnt mean i want you.. im not here promoting my business or anything else that can make me money so i DONT need fans or friends or have to fake being nice to every jerk that beats it to my pics... you sent me pics and you werent my type... i kindly informed you i wasnt interested and you started blasting me in posts... why the fuck would i be nice to you after that? get a clue, get bent and fuck off loser

[tsntx]

if all you want is sex and see her as an object then by all means you SHOULD pay for it.... as far as pricing goes....

Translation: Gold digger (and you know it) :smh .

You're not the last TG on the planet. Fortunately, there's always another TG hotter than you, who's working harder, has a better attitude, and is charging less.

You guys should sometimes try one that isn't your ideal choice for less, as long as you like her looks. You'll often find that the pleasant attitude from the girl makes the experience well worth it. I went to one girl from Eros who was charging only $100 and worked at Sears during the day in the clothing department. She looked okay on Eros, and turned out to be a hottie in person. She also turned out to be very very sweet and pleasant to talk to. She sat with me and on the sofa and we talked for an hour in no rush, and even served me beer before we got to business.

People like tsntx and others who think the world owes them something more, often in my experience turn out to be selfish little bitches who are nearly impossible to get along with on a personal level.

yo faggot i never once said i was working.. youre not a client of mine, NOR WILL YOU EVER BE, so dont assume you know anything about how i opperate... ure a fucking moron i said this LAST year when we had our spat and yet youre still bringing my name up like it was yesterday.... guess you NEVER got over not EVER having a chance w/ me... btw maybe its YOUR shitty attitude that turned me off so bad that i wouldnt give you the time of day... go back to your cheap eros date and leave my name outta your thoughts

[tsntx]

i agree not all clients are married and not all are ashamed to be w/ a ts

but then those clients arent always up to the girls level of "hotness" or w/e you want to call it...

as far as girls that dont escort... well its possible and not that hard to find... consider where youre looking... i personally have an ad on yahoo for a normal guy.. all i get as far as replies *about 270 a week* are guys looking for sex... but there are dating sites out there that target the TS market and even sites like eharmony or other sites that are simular they may not have a section for guys like you but girls like me that are looking for a normal guy will be looking in places normal guys go...

not fag bars, or escort bars, or bars in general. women, ts or gg, dont go to bars looking for love... just one nighters and thus only see men there as looking for the same -j

So girls are not attracted to the guys that want a relationship, that's what you're saying? (I agree with that by the way)
And girls that don't escort are a minority of t-girls that are already a minority of the overall dating pool. Since most experts suggest traffic to be the best way to find someone, the odds of finding a TS willing to date are phenomenally low, 'bout like winning the lottery (yeah it's possible, not likely).
As for sites dedicated to transgender dating, what I've found is the TSes are mostly using hem to escort and the people who want to date seriously are usually 50 year old CDs!
If you're into trans girls, meeting in a normal place is a great concept, but you never know if one is gonna be there--- if you like Puerto Ricans you wouldn't spend your money on a vacation to Sweden, hoping some would be there, you go on vacation in Puerto Rico (or New York)!

sorta babe.... im saying the working girls arent looking for bf's bc that interfers w/ their lively hood... while the rest of the statement im sure is true look at it from a girls POV.. the guys that are interested in TS is pretty low too... guys up to par w/ that particular girls standards... even lower... guys that are up to par and want to actually date the girl... WAY lower... yes im sure girls do use their normal personal ads to work.. but NOT solely... while my yahoo ad says looking for a bf ... when a guy msgs me and says "id like to fuck you" or something along those lines... by all means ill let him know that thats fine and dandy but he can pay for it... if he doesnt like it then he can get lost and go bother another girl just looking to be used... im not that girl... and im sure a lot of other girls feel that way as well -j

[a994]

... also just b/c you want me doesnt mean i want you.




One of the most common things to keep in mind when dating anyone.

[tsntx]

^ agreed

[MrsKellyPierce]

i agree not all clients are married and not all are ashamed to be w/ a ts

but then those clients arent always up to the girls level of "hotness" or w/e you want to call it...

as far as girls that dont escort... well its possible and not that hard to find... consider where youre looking... i personally have an ad on yahoo for a normal guy.. all i get as far as replies *about 270 a week* are guys looking for sex... but there are dating sites out there that target the TS market and even sites like eharmony or other sites that are simular they may not have a section for guys like you but girls like me that are looking for a normal guy will be looking in places normal guys go...

not fag bars, or escort bars, or bars in general. women, ts or gg, dont go to bars looking for love... just one nighters and thus only see men there as looking for the same -j

So girls are not attracted to the guys that want a relationship, that's what you're saying? (I agree with that by the way)
And girls that don't escort are a minority of t-girls that are already a minority of the overall dating pool. Since most experts suggest traffic to be the best way to find someone, the odds of finding a TS willing to date are phenomenally low, 'bout like winning the lottery (yeah it's possible, not likely).
As for sites dedicated to transgender dating, what I've found is the TSes are mostly using hem to escort and the people who want to date seriously are usually 50 year old CDs!
If you're into trans girls, meeting in a normal place is a great concept, but you never know if one is gonna be there--- if you like Puerto Ricans you wouldn't spend your money on a vacation to Sweden, hoping some would be there, you go on vacation in Puerto Rico (or New York)! lol I don't escort and I date I thought about escorting but couldn't go through with it

[houstonshemalefan]

I am fortunate enough to make a very comfortable income and can afford the high level escorts, both TS and GG. However, if I see a bargain, I can't help but jump for joy! lol!

[vamxcore]

i would pay 20 grand to just lick this girls ass.