Transsexual Lesbian?

[Quinn]

I just want to know why?

My guess: unfortunately, it’s human nature for people fear what they don't understand – and that generally leads to a lack of empathy and hostility. Being a transsexual, let alone a transsexual lesbian, puts you into two categories that most people don't really understand. Just my two cents.

-Quinn

[Legend]

Personally i dont have a problem with anyone's sexual preference because i was taught to respect other people, but there is hate because it's not normal and what people don't know they automatically dislike which is sad because they will miss out on really cool people like you.

[ohioboy]

Just do what you do, people will hate no matter what or who you are, nobody is immune to it.

[pnwguy24]

just do what makes you happy and fuck everyone else.

[hwbs]

ill give my 2 cents on this...i have no problem that ts likes woman...but i seem to be a magnet to closet lesbians....they like woman but like to look prober with a male partner...i get the old speech that i just like men, lol.. then we end up running into their former lesbian lovers, lmao...

[peggygee]

I don't know the percentages, but there actually is a significant
amount of transwomen who are either bi or will prefer only
women partners.

These transwomen may be in relationships with genetic females,
or with other transwomen. This may be the case both for pre ops
and post ops. Some post ops may even elect to remain with their
wives or significant others if that is an option.

I am glad that you are comfortable with whom you desire to be
in a relationship with, but saddened that your mate is experiencing
angst about it.

I truly hope that the situation improves, and that it becomes less
troublesome to her.

[Fox]

I couldn't care less about other people's sexual preference. I think it's ironic that some TS admirerers (sp?) pass judgment on someone's sexuality. Plus, it's not like people are going to change your preference by arguing with you, so what's the point. I've seen people confront you on it and I don't quite get it either.

So yeah, fuck anyone who doesn't like it. :)

Btw, you are pretty. :)

[muhmuh]

Over the years, I've dealt with quite a bit of conflict about my sexuality. Why is there so much negativity and almost near hate towards transsexuals who are only into women? Why is it so difficult to understand that sexual identity and sexual orientation are completely separate?

people love categories and you just dont fit the usual ts category which is probably usually considered to be "beyond gay"... and anything that doesnt fit their simplistic view of the world has to go as changing their view is out of the question


In this crazy world where anyone can be a minority as some point or another, I feel like the minority of all minorities.

well in all honesty you probably are... but thats not the problem here the problem is that minorities are automatically disliked for generally outrageously stupid reasons

[Trogdor]

I'm fine with it, though it sucks to be a dude at times like this, I tell you what. :)

[timxxx]

Each to their own

[peggygee]

I'm fine with it, though it sucks to be a dude at times like this, I tell you what. :)

I love your dogged perserverance. :wink:

[Trogdor]

I'm fine with it, though it sucks to be a dude at times like this, I tell you what. :)

I love your dogged perserverance. :wink:

13 years and counting. :banghead :sleep :violin :anon :frustrated :crap :smoking

[chocolate ts freak]

Just to be clear, the poll options are simple examples of feedback I've heard from others. I don't want anyone think I'm fishing for compliments or charity. I simple want your honest responses.

Over the years, I've dealt with quite a bit of conflict about my sexuality. Why is there so much negativity and almost near hate towards transsexuals who are only into women? Not necessarily here, but in other forums I've really caught hell on the subject. Men and women of all orientations just turn their noses up, As if to look down on me or as if I'm all of the sudden, less of a person. What really hurts is that other transsexuals have responded with similar ignorance. To them, I would love to ask, "so did you just transition to be with men?" but I would be way out of line for that. Why is it so difficult to understand that sexual identity and sexual orientation are completely separate? None of this negativity had broken my spirit or caused me to question myself, but it's truly caused my girlfriend much distress. In all honesty, IT TRULY HURTS!!! In this crazy world where anyone can be a minority as some point or another, I feel like the minority of all minorities. Like I'm on an island all to myself. I just want to know why?I really don't think anyone cares or is offended by what you like. What is offensive is your attitude and you consistently telling everyone that you don't like men to the point of bashing them. Especially black men. Its not what you do, but how you do it RAVEN.

[ezed]

Just to be clear, the poll options are simple examples of feedback I've heard from others. I don't want anyone think I'm fishing for compliments or charity. I simple want your honest responses.

Over the years, I've dealt with quite a bit of conflict about my sexuality. Why is there so much negativity and almost near hate towards transsexuals who are only into women? Not necessarily here, but in other forums I've really caught hell on the subject. Men and women of all orientations just turn their noses up, As if to look down on me or as if I'm all of the sudden, less of a person. What really hurts is that other transsexuals have responded with similar ignorance. To them, I would love to ask, "so did you just transition to be with men?" but I would be way out of line for that. Why is it so difficult to understand that sexual identity and sexual orientation are completely separate? None of this negativity had broken my spirit or caused me to question myself, but it's truly caused my girlfriend much distress. In all honesty, IT TRULY HURTS!!! In this crazy world where anyone can be a minority as some point or another, I feel like the minority of all minorities. Like I'm on an island all to myself. I just want to know why?

MystiquEvolution,
Never question yourself for this. If you doubt your beliefs about your sexual orientation, go to the political, religious, and am I gay threads and read them. You will soon realize EVERYONE, EVERYONE is full of shit and loves to hear themselves talk (and this case type).
You're fine. You're a good person. You know that, I know that and most others do too. But some can't resist diariaha of the mouth (in this case fingers).
Relax. You know how I feel about labels. I don't see you as a "transexual lesbian", I see you as "MystiquEvolution". If you're fine as a transexual lesbian, neat! Tough luck for me, but I still like talking to you.
Someday, get up and decide you're going to just listen to other people talk. Don't participate just nod and say ah uh. Let them talk! Then pm me and tell me how much of the other peoples conversations were critizisms of other people.

I think you will then realize the futility of worrying what others think. Fuck the critics, they are everywhere! And we are them!

[MrsKellyPierce]

I call those Transbians lol

[MrsKellyPierce]

Okay, 5 people so far feel that if a Tgirl transitions and only likes women, they should have lived as men. Funny, none of the responses have been geared towards that. Don't be scared. Speak your mind but make it good. My responses are ready :wink: That's ridiculous

Being a Transexual has nothing to do with sexual preference, but Sexual Identity.. WAKE UP YOU RETARDS

[blackmagic]

ya know call me rude (and this is probably gonna make allot of people mad) But how is a TS a lesbian, I mean theres 3 well there can be 4 but, 3 main sexual orientations a M2F TS falls under strait, bi, gay, and or questionable, I really don’t see how a TS can be a lesbian hence the word lesbian and Definitions of lesbian on the Web is:

* Of or relating to females who experience a sexual attraction toward and responsiveness to other females; a homosexual female.

Take note that lesbians are females; now take a look at the Definition of Trans on the Web:

* Trans is a Latin word meaning "on the opposite side" and is the opposite of cis, which means "on the same side".

So with that said someone feel free to explain to me how exactly a transsexual can be a lesbian, even though a transsexual can be male or female but in this case the TS is portraying that of a female, but still has the sex of a male, my point being is that there is no such thing as being a TS lesbian.

Although some may consider a post op transsexual to fall under the sexual orientation categories of strait, bi, lesbian and questionable, the cold hard reality is that she can not be a lesbian if still a trans, why? Because that person is no longer a TS, that TS is a female which righteously can be deemed as a lesbian, but hey if you’re a TS and you like other TS lol feel free to call yourself a lesbian. (I base my judgment promptly upon the fact that your still a man even under those implants, and or bodily reconstruction)

I call those Transbians lol


LOL, you're stupid. :D

[Vala_TS]

Well, for what it's worth. I too am a transexual lesbian. Don't argue with me about "If you liked women you should have stayted a guy" mess.

Vala,

[Caleigh]

I call those Transbians lol
LOL, you're stupid. :D

????????????
that actually seems to be a widely used term

i consider myself a 70/30 bisexual 70% interest in women 30% in guys

i've been with a gg for 8 years now (anniversary tomorrow) but since we are both bi and both realize that sexual interest is not the same as a life commitment we have an open relationship. that way there are no unfulfilled or repressed desires. it's not for everyone, but it's worked for us all this time.

[BrendaQG]

I voted I have no problem with it.

:| MystiqueEvolution your problem is that you are a rare exampel of a transsexual who is into women who really does not have some wierd sexualized fantasy. You are really really into women and not "the idea or image of yourself as a woman". 90-95% of transsexuals who say they are lesbian are just that, they are older, they would need major surgery in order to not look like a linebacker etc. If you try to socialize with them because of your youth and looks and how you come across and vibe like a girl you catch the same hell as a more typical classic primary man loving transsexual would.

Your problem also is, I'll bet, that many typical androphilic or primary, "homosexual transsexuals" are way to ignorant to see that you are not like that. They don't know, or don't want to see, that there are exceptions to every rule. Perhaps they take your love of women as conforming to society in a way? Throwing them a bone by saying look look I am not gay at all. I can only guess. You are such an exceptional person and exceptional people are often outcast.

You don't fit into the boxes that society is willing to put a transsexual in. So define your own. :-)

[Ecstatic]

So with that said someone feel free to explain to me how exactly a transsexual can be a lesbian, even though a transsexual can be male or female but in this case the TS is portraying that of a female, but still has the sex of a male, my point being is that there is no such thing as being a TS lesbian.
[snip] (I base my judgment promptly upon the fact that your still a man even under those implants, and or bodily reconstruction)
Obviously you miss the entire central issue of transsexuality, as KellyShore expressed so clearly:

Being a Transexual has nothing to do with sexual preference, but Sexual Identity.
A transwoman is female who was born with primary male sexual organs. Her gender is female, even if her biological sex is male. Some accept this and remain "transitional" or "in-between" sexually (perhaps because they can't have or don't want surgery, perhaps because they enjoy the pleasure they male parts give them), while others seek to correct this condition through gender reassignment surgery, but in either case, they are female, not male. Thus, as females, they may be attracted to other females, which makes them lesbians (or as Kelly and Caleigh rightly say, "transbians"). Sexual orientation and gender identification are two distinct sets, which may often overlap but not always.

[Madison]

Well I was in a Transsexual Lesbian relationship I would've never thought that I would be intamate with another TS.I fell in love her as a person not for what she was. She is amazing...

[peggygee]

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/bump-1.gif

[blackmagic]

So with that said someone feel free to explain to me how exactly a transsexual can be a lesbian, even though a transsexual can be male or female but in this case the TS is portraying that of a female, but still has the sex of a male, my point being is that there is no such thing as being a TS lesbian.
[snip] (I base my judgment promptly upon the fact that your still a man even under those implants, and or bodily reconstruction)
Obviously you miss the entire central issue of transsexuality, as KellyShore expressed so clearly:

Being a Transexual has nothing to do with sexual preference, but Sexual Identity.
A transwoman is female who was born with primary male sexual organs. Her gender is female, even if her biological sex is male. Some accept this and remain "transitional" or "in-between" sexually (perhaps because they can't have or don't want surgery, perhaps because they enjoy the pleasure they male parts give them), while others seek to correct this condition through gender reassignment surgery, but in either case, they are female, not male. Thus, as females, they may be attracted to other females, which makes them lesbians (or as Kelly and Caleigh rightly say, "transbians"). Sexual orientation and gender identification are two distinct sets, which may often overlap but not always.

LOL no there still males and always will be until they have that dick inverted hence the names shemale ladyboy and the main word TRANS, look if your gonna fail to recognize the science between genders then say so, "this isn’t NYC where you can dress in drag for 2 weeks and have a birth certificate change because the outer appearance of your clothing resembles that of a female", where not idiots in the world there’s a reason why if you have a dick with balls your still male, if you got that pussy, your female plane and simple, every TS out there will contradict what I just said failing to look at the scientific factual evidence proving them to still be male ( unless born intersexed aka XXY, XX, pseudo), heck if it where evident then every post op girl would still be male for the fact of chromosomes, as for what Kelly said, well I believe this should respond to that 8)

[Caleigh]

so by your reckoning all the guys on here are gay
cocksucking faggots who just like their men as
feminine as possible?

that would include yourself

[blackmagic]

so by your reckoning all the guys on here are gay
cocksucking faggots who just like their men as
feminine as possible?

that would include yourself

lol yes, as stated in my previous post, your strait, bi, gay, or questionable, your sex defines what category of sexual orientation you may fall under, lol cock sucking faggots is a little harsh but not everyone on this forum is gay, there are "STRAIT" women GG's who like TS on here

[uncutlove]

Well, for what it's worth. I too am a transexual lesbian. Don't argue with me about "If you liked women you should have stayted a guy" mess.

Vala,

But you still ARE a guy.

[Vicki Richter]

That is so strange that you get shit for being a lesbian. Personally, I think it's great and I say more power to you. I have always felt that I could be open to being with a man or a woman or a TS. It is the person I care about. I prefer sex with men, but who knows if the right girl came along. Love is a funny thing.

[Perverted Monk]

I don't have a problem with anything to consenting adults want to do, trans, gay, strt, whatever.

I must admit, I do think less favorable of T's that are top only.

[MrsKellyPierce]

So with that said someone feel free to explain to me how exactly a transsexual can be a lesbian, even though a transsexual can be male or female but in this case the TS is portraying that of a female, but still has the sex of a male, my point being is that there is no such thing as being a TS lesbian.
[snip] (I base my judgment promptly upon the fact that your still a man even under those implants, and or bodily reconstruction)
Obviously you miss the entire central issue of transsexuality, as KellyShore expressed so clearly:

Being a Transexual has nothing to do with sexual preference, but Sexual Identity.
A transwoman is female who was born with primary male sexual organs. Her gender is female, even if her biological sex is male. Some accept this and remain "transitional" or "in-between" sexually (perhaps because they can't have or don't want surgery, perhaps because they enjoy the pleasure they male parts give them), while others seek to correct this condition through gender reassignment surgery, but in either case, they are female, not male. Thus, as females, they may be attracted to other females, which makes them lesbians (or as Kelly and Caleigh rightly say, "transbians"). Sexual orientation and gender identification are two distinct sets, which may often overlap but not always.

LOL no there still males and always will be until they have that dick inverted hence the names shemale ladyboy and the main word TRANS, look if your gonna fail to recognize the science between genders then say so, "this isn’t NYC where you can dress in drag for 2 weeks and have a birth certificate change because the outer appearance of your clothing resembles that of a female", where not idiots in the world there’s a reason why if you have a dick with balls your still male, if you got that pussy, your female plane and simple, every TS out there will contradict what I just said failing to look at the scientific factual evidence proving them to still be male ( unless born intersexed aka XXY, XX, pseudo), heck if it where evident then every post op girl would still be male for the fact of chromosomes, as for what Kelly said, well I believe this should respond to that 8) First off Blackmagic....Feeling inside that you are the oppisite sex you were born..has nothing to do with WHO YOU FUCK or WHO YOU DATE..and THOSE TERMS LADYBOY, SHEMALE, CHICK WITH DICK, WERE MADE UP BY THE PORN INDUSTRY...SO STOP JACKING YOUR MEAT SO MUCH TRYING TO LEARN FROM THEM. GO TAKE A BIOLOGY LESSON SINCE YOU ARE SO BRAIN DEAD AND SOUND LIKE EVERY OTHER JUDGEMENTAL ASSHOLE WITH NO DEPTH OF PERCEPTION. THEY HAVE PROVEN THAT TRANSEXUALS, GAYS ETC FEEL THE WAY THEY DO IN THE MOTHERS WOMB WHICH IS WHAT ECSTATIC WAS STATING HE IS A VERY EDUCATED MAN..

[blackmagic]

First off Blackmagic....Feeling inside that you are the oppisite sex you were born..has nothing to do with WHO YOU FUCK or WHO YOU DATE..and THOSE TERMS LADYBOY, SHEMALE, CHICK WITH DICK, WERE MADE UP BY THE PORN INDUSTRY...SO STOP JACKING YOUR MEAT SO MUCH TRYING TO LEARN FROM THEM. GO TAKE A BIOLOGY LESSON SINCE YOU ARE SO BRAIN DEAD AND SOUND LIKE EVERY OTHER JUDGEMENTAL ASSHOLE WITH NO DEPTH OF PERCEPTION. THEY HAVE PROVEN THAT TRANSEXUALS, GAYS ETC FEEL THE WAY THEY DO IN THE MOTHERS WOMB WHICH IS WHAT ECSTATIC WAS STATING HE IS A VERY EDUCATED MAN..

LOL you know your right when there pissed off, :lol: im sorry run that by me again, are you implying that you are born a TS ?

lol how did they prove your gay and or a TS in the womb, stick a thumb up ur ass while still bakin in the oven ROFLMAO

[Ecstatic]

Someone is badly in need of an education, it seems to me....

[MrsKellyPierce]

First off Blackmagic....Feeling inside that you are the oppisite sex you were born..has nothing to do with WHO YOU FUCK or WHO YOU DATE..and THOSE TERMS LADYBOY, SHEMALE, CHICK WITH DICK, WERE MADE UP BY THE PORN INDUSTRY...SO STOP JACKING YOUR MEAT SO MUCH TRYING TO LEARN FROM THEM. GO TAKE A BIOLOGY LESSON SINCE YOU ARE SO BRAIN DEAD AND SOUND LIKE EVERY OTHER JUDGEMENTAL ASSHOLE WITH NO DEPTH OF PERCEPTION. THEY HAVE PROVEN THAT TRANSEXUALS, GAYS ETC FEEL THE WAY THEY DO IN THE MOTHERS WOMB WHICH IS WHAT ECSTATIC WAS STATING HE IS A VERY EDUCATED MAN..

LOL you know your right when there pissed off, :lol: im sorry run that by me again, are you implying that you are born a TS ?

lol how did they prove your gay and or a TS in the womb, stick a thumb up ur ass while still bakin in the oven ROFLMAO It has to do with the brain..."brain child" A chemical imbalance. They have done studies on the female brain comparing it to the a transexuals mtf brain and vice versa and it's very very similar. As I stated Go TO SCHOOl or you are on the internet LOOK IT UP!! www.google.com it's your friend!

[Azanti]

Mystique,

Date who you want and good luck too you. Basically I totally agree with what Vikki said. I have never had a relationship with a guy either, I think it's unlikely but if I did, so what. That's my choice and no one else's.

Whatever anyone decides regarding the exact nature of their sexuality, transition and who they date - it is ultimately their decesion and no one else's and further more you should never have to justify it to anyone.

[blackmagic]

It has to do with the brain..."brain child" A chemical imbalance. They have done studies on the female brain comparing it to the a transexuals mtf brain and vice versa and it's very very similar. As I stated Go TO SCHOOl or you are on the internet LOOK IT UP!! www.google.com it's your friend!

LOL yes I know ive studied the "claims" of being born with a female brain years back, lol you think im new to this? 8) Theres not legible proof that your born and you know it or you would have googled it, found a web site then posted a link, lol and hey do you read what you post or do you post it and never research what your talking about? Heres a heads up, one of the studies done at UCLA a few years back did show the similarities in brain mass, the same as a female for M2F TS, yes but did it ever occur to you that they did the study upon men who are not TS and had "Female minds"? oh shit I guess that rules out the fact that study is inconclusive since after all there not TS like you, after all the research was trying to prove men have male brains and women only have female brains, that and they where also researching more about the Axial.

Here ill settle this for you, you know im right, and you also know there can be no known proof of being born a TS unless you did a little CT scan on every male kid who was born with a female brain and studied there entire life. You starting to see the light or do I need to go into further detail?

[blackmagic]

hey kelly I forgot to ask did you ever research GID and or GD, take a good look and research that, then get back with me :wink:

[MrsKellyPierce]

hey kelly I forgot to ask did you ever research GID and or GD, take a good look and research that, then get back with me :wink: I have my BS in psychology. Not to mention I am a transexual myself, and have been living as a girl since age twelve. I am not the one that needs educating it's you. I have talked at college after college to people just like you. Educate yourself before you speak.

P.S. It's known as DID now

[blackmagic]

I have my BS in psychology. Not to mention I am a transexual myself, and have been living as a girl since age twelve. I am not the one that needs educating it's you. I have talked at college after college to people just like you. Educate yourself before you speak.

ya know im terribly sorry, my condolences for having a bullshitted (BS) in psychology, do you want me to whip it up after i get my M.A.S?

[MrsKellyPierce]

hey kelly I forgot to ask did you ever research GID and or GD, take a good look and research that, then get back with me :wink: I have my BS in psychology. Not to mention I am a transexual myself, and have been living as a girl since age twelve. I am not the one that needs educating it's you. I have talked at college after college to people just like you. Educate yourself before you speak.

LMAO im 20 years old I droped out of highschool at age 16, lol "theres gotta be a reason why I know this shit better than you do" :P You don't? you are only talking about the anatomy, nothing else. Isn't that convenient, it's what most "Tranny Chasers" focus on the DICK.

[Ecstatic]

I'm waiting for Peggy to step up with some indepth studies here. I will give blackmagic enough credit that, yes, research is ongoing and far from conclusive on any aspect of human psychology; while in the physical sciences we are within shouting distance of a "theory of everything," we know far less about the inner workings of the mind and brain. However, blackmagic, you are basing your claims on the most simplistic of taxonomies, the either/or split of all humans into male or female (with a small concession to the intersexed). However, gender is not based purely on primary sexual characteristics, and indeed some researchers hold that transsexuality is a form of intersexuality, where the primary sexual characteristics are of one sex but the secondary (and particularly psychological, but often also hormonal) characteristics are of the opposite sex. Nor do I accept the split of humans into male/female; that rather describes the extreme poles of a range of human sexuality, never mind gender.

[TomSelis]

Nah, you like what you like. It's as simple as that, no problems here.

I understand where you're coming from. Although, I can understand how other people can be confused too. Most people would think "Ok, she's a transexual, but she likes women and transexuals too? I don't get it." But don't worry about that, I know it's easier said than done.

It's silly to give you shit about it because guys that like transexuals are in a similar catch 22. I consider myself straight, but I like transexuals. Most people would think "Ok, you're straight, but you like women and transexuals? I don't get it."

Don't worry about it. Just enjoy your girl, that's all that really matters.

[blackmagic]

hey kelly I forgot to ask did you ever research GID and or GD, take a good look and research that, then get back with me :wink: I have my BS in psychology. Not to mention I am a transexual myself, and have been living as a girl since age twelve. I am not the one that needs educating it's you. I have talked at college after college to people just like you. Educate yourself before you speak.

LMAO im 20 years old I droped out of highschool at age 16, lol "theres gotta be a reason why I know this shit better than you do" :P You don't? you are only talking about the anatomy, nothing else. Isn't that convenient, it's what most "Tranny Chasers" focus on the DICK.

Definitions of psychology on the Web:

* The science that deals with mental processes and behaviour.
news.bbc.co.uk/sportacademy/bsp/hi/in_the_gym/jargon_guide/html/default.stm

since you have a BS in psychology lol then you already know how i "studied what you wrote, and by judging that i also assumed which i was correct that you did not have the factual evidence in which to support your case of having a female mind" alrighty then theres alittle proof of psychology mixed with my knowledge of human anatomy 8)


I'm waiting for Peggy to step up with some indepth studies here. I will give blackmagic enough credit that, yes, research is ongoing and far from conclusive on any aspect of human psychology; while in the physical sciences we are within shouting distance of a "theory of everything," we know far less about the inner workings of the mind and brain. However, blackmagic, you are basing your claims on the most simplistic of taxonomies, the either/or split of all humans into male or female (with a small concession to the intersexed). However, gender is not based purely on primary sexual characteristics, and indeed some researchers hold that transsexuality is a form of intersexuality, where the primary sexual characteristics are of one sex but the secondary (and particularly psychological, but often also hormonal) characteristics are of the opposite sex. Nor do I accept the split of humans into male/female; that rather describes the extreme poles of a range of human sexuality, never mind gender.

i dont have much to really say to that........ i find some true from my point of view but i also see it as your opinionated view, so im not gonna say much about it.

[MrsKellyPierce]

hey kelly I forgot to ask did you ever research GID and or GD, take a good look and research that, then get back with me :wink: I have my BS in psychology. Not to mention I am a transexual myself, and have been living as a girl since age twelve. I am not the one that needs educating it's you. I have talked at college after college to people just like you. Educate yourself before you speak.

LMAO im 20 years old I droped out of highschool at age 16, lol "theres gotta be a reason why I know this shit better than you do" :P You don't? you are only talking about the anatomy, nothing else. Isn't that convenient, it's what most "Tranny Chasers" focus on the DICK.

Definitions of psychology on the Web:

* The science that deals with mental processes and behaviour.
news.bbc.co.uk/sportacademy/bsp/hi/in_the_gym/jargon_guide/html/default.stm

since you have a BS in psychology lol then you already know how i "studied what you wrote, and by judging that i also assumed which i was correct that you did not have the factual evidence in which to support your case of having a female mind" alrighty then theres alittle proof of psychology mixed with my knowledge of human anatomy 8)


I'm waiting for Peggy to step up with some indepth studies here. I will give blackmagic enough credit that, yes, research is ongoing and far from conclusive on any aspect of human psychology; while in the physical sciences we are within shouting distance of a "theory of everything," we know far less about the inner workings of the mind and brain. However, blackmagic, you are basing your claims on the most simplistic of taxonomies, the either/or split of all humans into male or female (with a small concession to the intersexed). However, gender is not based purely on primary sexual characteristics, and indeed some researchers hold that transsexuality is a form of intersexuality, where the primary sexual characteristics are of one sex but the secondary (and particularly psychological, but often also hormonal) characteristics are of the opposite sex. Nor do I accept the split of humans into male/female; that rather describes the extreme poles of a range of human sexuality, never mind gender.

i dont have much to really say to that........ i find some true from my point of view but i also see it as your opinionated view, so im not gonna say much about it. BLACKMAGIC YOU ARE NOT USING PSHCYOLOGY OR DID/GID - YOU ARE SAYING IF YOU HAVE A PENIS YOU ARE A MALE NO MATTER WHAT. THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE STATING! READ WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. THERE IS NO PSCYHOLOGY IN THAT STATEMENT. JUST A JUDGEMENT YOU HAVE NO EDUCATION ON. YOU ARE NOT A TRANSEXUAL. YOU DON'T KNOW HOW WE FEEL OR WHY WE ARE THIS WAY. YOU ONLY ASSUME, BECAUSE YOU WATCH PORN! NOW BEFORE YOU GET ANY MORE OPINIONS GO BACK TO WATCHING YOUR 'SHEMALE' PORN.

[blackmagic]

BLACKMAGIC YOU ARE NOT USING PSHCYOLOGY OR DID/GID - YOU ARE SAYING IF YOU HAVE A PENIS YOU ARE A MALE NO MATTER WHAT. THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE STATING! READ WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. THERE IS NO PSCYHOLOGY IN THAT STATEMENT. JUST A JUDGEMENT YOU HAVE NO EDUCATION ON. YOU ARE NOT A TRANSEXUAL. YOU DON'T KNOW HOW WE FEEL OR WHY WE ARE THIS WAY. YOU ONLY ASSUME, BECAUSE YOU WATCH PORN! NOW BEFORE YOU GET ANY MORE OPINIONS GO BACK TO WATCHING YOUR 'SHEMALE' PORN.

did you not read any of my previous post? :roll: heres some more PSCYHOLOGY for you, you planely stated that YOU ONLY ASSUME, BECAUSE YOU WATCH PORN! now then why would you say that? because for starters 1. your mad. and 2. you have no clue what im basing my judgments and or research upon. there see even a youngster can teach you a lesson on PSCYHOLOGY :lol:

[blackmagic]

Once again, thanks everyone who has something intelligent and positive to say. Much love and respect to you all.

In reference to the current prick using up his 15 minutes of fame, why are you even here? It's obvious you don't like transsexuals, considering how much you are bad mouthing us. No disrespect to anyone else, BUt I notice it says you are from Texas. There is another asSHhole that thinks what he says is absolute and just. Isn't it odd that he's also from Texas?

Use your brain to figure that one out :lol:

LOL ask the mods to give you my IPA princess :wink:

lol this prick dates a TS, you do know that right ROFLMAO

[signupjustforthis]

So with that said someone feel free to explain to me how exactly a transsexual can be a lesbian, even though a transsexual can be male or female but in this case the TS is portraying that of a female, but still has the sex of a male, my point being is that there is no such thing as being a TS lesbian.
[snip] (I base my judgment promptly upon the fact that your still a man even under those implants, and or bodily reconstruction)
Obviously you miss the entire central issue of transsexuality, as KellyShore expressed so clearly:

Being a Transexual has nothing to do with sexual preference, but Sexual Identity.
A transwoman is female who was born with primary male sexual organs. Her gender is female, even if her biological sex is male. Some accept this and remain "transitional" or "in-between" sexually (perhaps because they can't have or don't want surgery, perhaps because they enjoy the pleasure they male parts give them), while others seek to correct this condition through gender reassignment surgery, but in either case, they are female, not male. Thus, as females, they may be attracted to other females, which makes them lesbians (or as Kelly and Caleigh rightly say, "transbians"). Sexual orientation and gender identification are two distinct sets, which may often overlap but not always.

LOL no there still males and always will be until they have that dick inverted hence the names shemale ladyboy and the main word TRANS, look if your gonna fail to recognize the science between genders then say so, "this isn’t NYC where you can dress in drag for 2 weeks and have a birth certificate change because the outer appearance of your clothing resembles that of a female", where not idiots in the world there’s a reason why if you have a dick with balls your still male, if you got that pussy, your female plane and simple, every TS out there will contradict what I just said failing to look at the scientific factual evidence proving them to still be male ( unless born intersexed aka XXY, XX, pseudo), heck if it where evident then every post op girl would still be male for the fact of chromosomes, as for what Kelly said, well I believe this should respond to that 8)


You obviously do not know the complexity of this subject of gender identity.

There are many theories that could suggest that chromosomes are not the only thing that define one’s gender identity.

Hormonal release during different pre natal stages can give an answer to some of the reasons why people have a female brain and a male body and an XY chromosome.


For example, in areas where a woman’s brain is larger than men , researches also found that ts women have more similarities with other women than with men in that particular brain region.


Many psychologists argue that biological factors play a factor into one’s gender identity and is simply not a black and white issue like you clam to be.

[blackmagic]

LOL ask the mods to give you my IPA princess :wink:

lol this prick dates a TS, you do know that right ROFLMAO

That's a shock. So, I'm guessing she's okay with you considering her to be nothing more than a man playing dress up. That's pretty much what you've been saying here. I assume you refer to her with the proper male pronouns also. Just going by your statements, not mine. I would never intentionally disrespect another Tgirl.

heres another shock we have been dating even before she decided to become a TS. :shock:

with kim, i dont refer to her as a TS, shemale, ladyboy, drag queen, crosdresser, tranny, transvestite whatever, I just caller kim, and that goes for every other TS ive met. let alone most of the time i say "dude" or " whats up man" to her, she doesnt care, she knows i say it to everyone even GGs

[MrsKellyPierce]

BLACKMAGIC YOU ARE NOT USING PSHCYOLOGY OR DID/GID - YOU ARE SAYING IF YOU HAVE A PENIS YOU ARE A MALE NO MATTER WHAT. THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE STATING! READ WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. THERE IS NO PSCYHOLOGY IN THAT STATEMENT. JUST A JUDGEMENT YOU HAVE NO EDUCATION ON. YOU ARE NOT A TRANSEXUAL. YOU DON'T KNOW HOW WE FEEL OR WHY WE ARE THIS WAY. YOU ONLY ASSUME, BECAUSE YOU WATCH PORN! NOW BEFORE YOU GET ANY MORE OPINIONS GO BACK TO WATCHING YOUR 'SHEMALE' PORN.

did you not read any of my previous post? :roll: heres some more PSCYHOLOGY for you, you planely stated that YOU ONLY ASSUME, BECAUSE YOU WATCH PORN! now then why would you say that? because for starters 1. your mad. and 2. you have no clue what im basing my judgments and or research upon. there see even a youngster can teach you a lesson on PSCYHOLOGY :lol: Because you used the lamen terms of "ladyboy, shemale, etc etc etc"

[blackmagic]

You obviously do not know the complexity of this subject of gender identity.

There are many theories that could suggest that chromosomes are not the only thing that define one’s gender identity.

Hormonal release during different pre natal stages can give an answer to some of the reasons why people have a female brain and a male body and an XY chromosome.


For example, in areas where a woman’s brain is larger than men , researches also found that ts women have more similarities with other women than with men in that particular brain region.


Many psychologists argue that biological factors play a factor into one’s gender identity and is simply not a black and white issue like you clam to be.

"cries gallantly into a crowd of stupid minds", please before you post anything go back and read my previous post, and if you want while your at it why dont you go study Littleton v. Prange, 9 S.W.3d 223 (Tex. Civ. App. 1999)

[signupjustforthis]

Male-to-Female Transsexuals Have Female Neuron Numbers in a Limbic Nucleus


The present findings of somatostatin neuronal sex differences in the BSTc and its sex reversal in the transsexual brain clearly support the paradigm that in transsexuals sexual differentiation of the brain and genitals may go into opposite directions and point to a neurobiological basis of gender identity disorder.


http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/85/5/2034







To be totally dismissal to these studies is to show that you are willfully being ignorant about transsexuals while posting on a transsexual forum.

[blackmagic]

Male-to-Female Transsexuals Have Female Neuron Numbers in a Limbic Nucleus


The present findings of somatostatin neuronal sex differences in the BSTc and its sex reversal in the transsexual brain clearly support the paradigm that in transsexuals sexual differentiation of the brain and genitals may go into opposite directions and point to a neurobiological basis of gender identity disorder.


http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/85/5/2034








To be totally dismissal to these studies is to show that you are willfully being ignorant about transsexuals while posting on a transsexual forum.

"sweet jesus call 911", and did you also read they have found the exact same neurons in males who are not TS?

[signupjustforthis]

What the researchers found were significant differences in the brains of men and women relevant to reproductive hormones, cognition, emotions and our body's responses to them. The differences were both in magnitude and consistency and involve a region of the hypothalamus identified as the BSTc. Human males average about twice as many neurons within the BSTc as do females. In both males and females,
transsexuals did not have the neuron number typical of their gender, but, instead, had the number typical of the sex they always believed they should be.


Further, it was found that the hormones used when a person undergoes a sex change did not account for this dramatic difference in the number of BSTc neurons that transsexuals have.
The pattern was not only seen in transsexuals who had sex changes, but also in transsexuals who wished they had undergone treatment, but never did.



written by

Grace C. Niedermayer, M.Div., M.Ed.

http://www.trans-health.com/displayarticle.php?aid=16


This finding was reported in The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism [85 (5): 2034-41; May, 2000)

[blackmagic]

What the researchers found were significant differences in the brains of men and women relevant to reproductive hormones, cognition, emotions and our body's responses to them. The differences were both in magnitude and consistency and involve a region of the hypothalamus identified as the BSTc. Human males average about twice as many neurons within the BSTc as do females. In both males and females,
transsexuals did not have the neuron number typical of their gender, but, instead, had the number typical of the sex they always believed they should be.


Further, it was found that the hormones used when a person undergoes a sex change did not account for this dramatic difference in the number of BSTc neurons that transsexuals have.
The pattern was not only seen in transsexuals who had sex changes, but also in transsexuals who wished they had undergone treatment, but never did.



written by

Grace C. Niedermayer, M.Div., M.Ed.

http://www.trans-health.com/displayarticle.php?aid=16


This finding was reported in The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism [85 (5): 2034-41; May, 2000)

you do realize what your posting is equivilant to finding a needle in a hay stack?

[signupjustforthis]

I am an undergraduate majoring in psychology; I just did a presentation on gender identity disorder. It didn’t take me long to find this type of researches. I don’t know how anyone can say ts women are just like men biologically. The neurological researches didn’t point to that direction.


Of course, no one knows what is the exact cause of transsexualism, but it is rational to say that biological causes play at least a contributing factor to one’s gender identity.

[blackmagic]

I am an undergraduate majoring in psychology; I just did a presentation on gender identity disorder. It didn’t take me long to find this type of researches. I don’t know how anyone can say ts women are just like men biologically. The neurological researches didn’t point to that direction.


Of course, no one knows what is the exact cause of transsexualism, but it is rational to say that biological causes play at least a contributing factor to one’s gender identity.

because some men WHO ARE NOT transsexuals will have the exact same Neuron Numbers in a Limbic Nucleus as do females ( as stated by you previously about TSism ), thats why, and god I hope you did not use GID in your presentation?

[signupjustforthis]

You don’t know anything about statistical significance, do you?


That’s like saying the height differences between the sexes is irrelevant (and is not due to biology and is not predictable and has no trend ) because there are some women who are taller than men.

This is like arguing about quantum theory with someone who don’t even know how to add and subtract.

[blackmagic]

You don’t know anything about statistical significance, do you?


This is like arguing about quantum theory with someone who don’t even know how to add and subtract.

NO SHIT!!!!!!!! You finally understand and pretty much said it out loud, did you not understand what I ment about finding a needle in a hay stack? I know enough to tell you even without the correct study group being that of 1000 patients before a study is lagit, with that said you pretty much see how inconclusive the doctors research was only based upon transsexuals........ here try this on for size, if one TS is proven to be different from her male counter parts via brain size then does that mean its the final explanation for transsexuals and or why they are born as TS no, it simply shows scientist she has the mind of a female, besides that yes that’s a good analogy if anything I would compare any research done to that to the theorem of rotation in 2 dimensions.

[signupjustforthis]

The study did not only include transsexual subjects. Where the fuck did you get that from, you fool?

42 brains of patients were analyzed The brains of 34 reference subjects (9 presumed heterosexual males, 9 homosexual males, 10 presumed heterosexual females, and 6 male-to-female transsexuals) ranging from 20–53 yr of age, together with six brains (three males and three females) of patients with sex hormone disorders were obtained at autopsy, after the required permissions had been obtained.


In order to do post mortem analysis, you have to find brains of dead people and I assume that this is a difficult task, its too bad that current technology does not allow us to look inside the brain structures of living people more adequately.

The study did not find any statistical group differences for age (P = 0.090), brain weight (P = 0.125), postmortem time (P = 0.738), fixation time (P = 0.065), or storage time (P = 0.308).

The number of SOM neurons in the BSTc of heterosexual men was 71% higher than that in heterosexual women (P < 0.006), whereas the number of neurons in heterosexual and homosexual men (34.6 ± 3.4 x 103) was similar (P = 0.83).

Other factors that could explain other reasons other than transsexualism that causes the brain differences were controlled by the scientist.

According to the article, it suggests that "although our collection of male-to-female transsexual brains is small, it offers new opportunities to explore neurobiological correlates of transsexualism..."

"Taking into account the aforementioned limitations of our studies, the present study of SOM neurons in the human BSTc provides unequivocal new data supporting the view that transsexualism may reflect a form of brain hermaphroditism..."



Possible confounding variables were controlled, paraffin-embedded storage time of sections, fixation time, postmortem time, or brain weight, an analysis of covariance was carried out.

This is a relatively strong case suggesting in favor for a neurological cause to transsexualism, if the research was not adequate or was not important and should be completely dismissed like you seem to want us to do, than it wouldn’t be peer reviewed or be published in a scientific journal.

Clearly, more researches are needed, but to say that ts women are just like men biologically is purely your hypothesis, which goes against the current thinking and researches. There is no reason why anyone should take your word over this subject matter.

[MrsKellyPierce]

because some men WHO ARE NOT transsexuals will have the exact same Neuron Numbers in a Limbic Nucleus as do females ( as stated by you previously about TSism ), thats why, and god I hope you did not use GID in your presentation?

You keep going back to this same argument. The men studied that fall under that category, are they gay? Why argue with him..he is proud of being GAY that's awesome!! Lets go to the DISCO!!

[blackmagic]

because some men WHO ARE NOT transsexuals will have the exact same Neuron Numbers in a Limbic Nucleus as do females ( as stated by you previously about TSism ), thats why, and god I hope you did not use GID in your presentation?

You keep going back to this same argument. The men studied that fall under that category, are they gay? Why argue with him..he is proud of being GAY that's awesome!! Lets go to the DISCO!!

LMAO sorry i have to say this, kelly go back to blonde please?

[MrsKellyPierce]

because some men WHO ARE NOT transsexuals will have the exact same Neuron Numbers in a Limbic Nucleus as do females ( as stated by you previously about TSism ), thats why, and god I hope you did not use GID in your presentation?

You keep going back to this same argument. The men studied that fall under that category, are they gay? Why argue with him..he is proud of being GAY that's awesome!! Lets go to the DISCO!!

LMAO sorry i have to say this, kelly go back to blonde please? Okay sister three snaps

[blackmagic]

Clearly, more researches are needed, but to say that ts women are just like men biologically is purely your hypothesis, which goes against the current thinking and researches. There is no reason why anyone should take your word over this subject matter.

No one has to take my word, and im not forcing anyone to accept the alternative but if you do recognize Ex: that the patients tested there is always one variable for the study in which may be diffrent.....( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayesian_probability )...............................


BTW kelly, im not gay, im bi :D

[signupjustforthis]

Clearly, more researches are needed, but to say that ts women are just like men biologically is purely your hypothesis, which goes against the current thinking and researches. There is no reason why anyone should take your word over this subject matter.

No one has to take my word, and im not forcing anyone to accept the alternative but if you do recognize Ex: that the patients tested there is always one variable for the study in which may be diffrent.....( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayesian_probability )...............................


BTW kelly, im not gay, im bi :D

I am also saying its not rational to take your words since you opinon is based on your own prejudice.

[blackmagic]

I am also saying its not rational to take your words since you opinon is based on your own prejudice.

if my opinion was based upon prejudice towards what i was speaking about, TRANSSEXUALS, then why in the world would i be on a shemale forum?

[gummi baer]

One of the problems we seem to be having here is with the limitations of a language based on the concept of there being only two sexes. Lesbianism, as I understand it, is a love/attraction between two women. One may take a more masculine role, and one a more feminine in the relationship; but they are physically women with all that female plumbing "down there". When you introduce what I think of as the "third sex", we don't really have an adequate language to describe what is going on. Although a T-girl attracted to women thinks of herself as a lesbian, what does that make the partner? A female attracted to a feminine person with male body parts must be something other than a lesbian, no? But we have no other words to describe it. We are not surprised when a male is attracted to a T-girl and doesn't consider himself as gay. But there is something going on that isn't quite "straight" either. With all the different degrees of human sexuallity (think of the degrees on an arc, if you will), a black/white-day/night conceptualization of a bi-polar universe fails miserably.

[signupjustforthis]

I am also saying its not rational to take your words since you opinon is based on your own prejudice.

if my opinion was based upon prejudice towards what i was speaking about, TRANSSEXUALS, then why in the world would i be on a shemale forum?

That's exactly what some of us want to know. Why are you here if all you plan on doing is disrespect?


That's what I want to know. :D

[DimitriWolfe]

I LOVE watching tgirls with GGs... that is my favorite thing in the entire world to watch, and if it's bareback, even better.

[sdman]

Just to be clear, the poll options are simple examples of feedback I've heard from others. I don't want anyone think I'm fishing for compliments or charity. I simple want your honest responses.

Over the years, I've dealt with quite a bit of conflict about my sexuality. Why is there so much negativity and almost near hate towards transsexuals who are only into women? Not necessarily here, but in other forums I've really caught hell on the subject. Men and women of all orientations just turn their noses up, As if to look down on me or as if I'm all of the sudden, less of a person. What really hurts is that other transsexuals have responded with similar ignorance. To them, I would love to ask, "so did you just transition to be with men?" but I would be way out of line for that. Why is it so difficult to understand that sexual identity and sexual orientation are completely separate? None of this negativity had broken my spirit or caused me to question myself, but it's truly caused my girlfriend much distress. In all honesty, IT TRULY HURTS!!! In this crazy world where anyone can be a minority as some point or another, I feel like the minority of all minorities. Like I'm on an island all to myself. I just want to know why?

Because we have all seen how lame most of the scenes are with transexuals and women. Most of you seem to have a huge problem even getting it up when it comes to sex with women, and those that do can fuck woth a damn. So since you say you are a tranny lesbain does your girlfreind simply fuck you with a strap on and you eat her pussy or is it more to it than that?

[Legend]

Just to be clear, the poll options are simple examples of feedback I've heard from others. I don't want anyone think I'm fishing for compliments or charity. I simple want your honest responses.

Over the years, I've dealt with quite a bit of conflict about my sexuality. Why is there so much negativity and almost near hate towards transsexuals who are only into women? Not necessarily here, but in other forums I've really caught hell on the subject. Men and women of all orientations just turn their noses up, As if to look down on me or as if I'm all of the sudden, less of a person. What really hurts is that other transsexuals have responded with similar ignorance. To them, I would love to ask, "so did you just transition to be with men?" but I would be way out of line for that. Why is it so difficult to understand that sexual identity and sexual orientation are completely separate? None of this negativity had broken my spirit or caused me to question myself, but it's truly caused my girlfriend much distress. In all honesty, IT TRULY HURTS!!! In this crazy world where anyone can be a minority as some point or another, I feel like the minority of all minorities. Like I'm on an island all to myself. I just want to know why?

Because we have all seen how lame most of the scenes are with transexuals and women. Most of you seem to have a huge problem even getting it up when it comes to sex with women, and those that do can fuck woth a damn. So since you say you are a tranny lesbain does your girlfreind simply fuck you with a strap on and you eat her pussy or is it more to it than that?

I'll give it to you at least your honest but what a lame reason to dislike someone because their scenes are lame LOL that other bs about the strap is just disrespectful.

[Caleigh]

SDMan: Your post implies that you actually think that porn is an accurate and fair depiction of a real relationship between two people. Because Ts's in porn films can't get it up for having sex with a GG then ALL Ts's, even if they are actually attracted to women rather than just being paid to have sex with one, can't get it up with women.

Waiter, can I get the reality cheque here please?

Secondly, let's say a straight guy has ED, does that mean that he's not attracted to women or just that he can't get it up for them?

Because of hormones I definitely take longer to get arounsed physically that I used to but it still happens.

[elo]

Surprises me that even other TS`s rejects you.

I personaly love lesbians.

[blackmagic]

I am also saying its not rational to take your words since you opinon is based on your own prejudice.

if my opinion was based upon prejudice towards what i was speaking about, TRANSSEXUALS, then why in the world would i be on a shemale forum?

That's exactly what some of us want to know. Why are you here if all you plan on doing is disrespect?


That's what I want to know. :D

LOL your majoring in psychology you tell me :P

[BeardedOne]

Mystique, speaking as a recognized "male lesbian", why do you even bother with most of this rabble?

We're doing lunch/dinner in Philly this week. You in? PM me.

[ezed]

Mystique, speaking as a recognized "male lesbian", why do you even bother with most of this rabble?

We're doing lunch/dinner in Philly this week. You in? PM me.

I sometimes wonder that myself B1. Thanks for the lunch/dinner invite. I'll have to decline, but with good reason. I'm obsessively practicing on my typing all this week. I'm being tested early Saturday morning for a job with the city. Talk about stress! Considering that I'm now in month 17 of being without work...all of my energy and focus is into this. Maybe next time.

Your typing has been good. Don't stress out. When you go in there have confidence in yourself. You have the ability. Just do it, with no tension or fear. Calm is the key word.

[sdman]

Because we have all seen how lame most of the scenes are with transexuals and women. Most of you seem to have a huge problem even getting it up when it comes to sex with women, and those that do can fuck woth a damn. So since you say you are a tranny lesbain does your girlfreind simply fuck you with a strap on and you eat her pussy or is it more to it than that?

I almost don't feel the need to respond to this, considering the responses you've already received. I'm not surprised this came from you. You are one of the ignorant ones I was referring to when creating this topic.

Yes, I'll even admit that the scene with transsexual and women are rather dull to say the least. Just remember, this is porn though. This does NOT translate into how things are in real life in all cases. Ever think that some of the scene might have just been on an "I'm getting paid" bases? Hormones are also a contributing factor. That's not important for someone like yourself though, because you think "All Tgirls should be with men." Speaking as a transwomen who is 100% attracted to women, I don't have any problems getting it up, regardless of being on hormones. Sex for me has never been vanilla. If I ever did a porn, YOU of all people could probably take some notes. The comment about taking a strap-on was rather disrespectful and ignorant also. If I'm going to receive, I want a real dick (from another Tgirl of course).

All your response shows, is your ignorance towards something you are obviously clueless about. It's also another chance for you to ask questions about what goes on in my bedroom. Don't lose hope though...I haven't thrown out the idea of being in porn...yet.

How am I clueless on something that I comment on in reference to what I see? People go off of what they see and their surrondings. So if you think i'm ignorant based on what i've seen then that's probably youre problem and not mine.

You said you could show me a few things if you made a porn video? Well I can't say that wouldnt watch it if for nothing else to entertain myself. Another thing if you do get into porn it's only going to be a matter of time before some guy is fucking you in the ass. That's what I really want to see. :lol:

[BeardedOne]

Don't lose hope though...I haven't thrown out the idea of being in porn...yet.

*Gasp* Be still, my heart! :shock:

How did I miss that comment? :lol: Please save a seat for me at the premiere, if you have one. :D


Thanks for the lunch/dinner invite. I'll have to decline, but with good reason.

No prob, best of luck to you with the job stuff. As it was, dinner moved south to that little Philly 'burb with its own governor. Next it moves north to Westchester County. I'll let you know next time we blunder through your neck o' the woods.

[blackrob]

what's the point in being a trannie lesbian?

[thompsonforsheriff]

what's the point in being a trannie lesbian?

To correct your body to fit the gender that your mind is, and then to get off because you're sexually attracted to women.

On a side note. I've always been curious if any "transbians" are also autogynephiles.

[justatransgirl]

I'm a transsexual lesbian. Sort of...

I'm in a same sex relationship with another t-girl and we identify as women, so... and I like girls - but only as another girl. I don't like sticking my thing into things - doesn't matter if it's a boy or a girl.

And I like having sex with men, but I don't think I want to live with one, they are too demanding. Though if you are rich I might be swayed...

OK I'm Bi. So beat me.

Giggle,
TS Jamie :-)

[fiftyfin1]

its all good!!