What defines being successful in the ts community

[Legend]

Is it the ability to makes tons of money or is it the celebrity status amongst the community,could it be the ability to have other transseuxals look up to you as a role model?

I know it can't be how many pornos you've been featured in right?

[signupjustforthis]

maybe to have a normal life? :o

[Legend]

maybe to have a normal life? :o


What i meant was being successful as in positive for the community,if a girl is a escort and runs her own buiness is that positive for the community or just her.If your gonna put yourself with other girls make sure you it benefits the community not just yourself.

[Legend]

what? what the fuck are u even saying?

legend, pretend ur logic is a huge cock, our brains are virgin assholes and theres no lube...so rather than shove it in, go slow, start posting again with one word, move it up to a short sentence, then hit us with the ridiculous, poorly written no thought put into it paragraphs...

holy fuck...

I was just trying to respond to a comment a certain person made regarding their success,but i'm gonna be blunt now just because your an high priced escort or own your own porno company that does that really mean your positive or succesful?

The person i'm referring to wanted to put their name in with some ladies that have achieved goals that not only benefited them but the community as a whole.

I really want to know the answer,thats why i asked!

[tsmandy]

what? what the fuck are u even saying?

legend, pretend ur logic is a huge cock, our brains are virgin assholes and theres no lube...so rather than shove it in, go slow, start posting again with one word, move it up to a short sentence, then hit us with the ridiculous, poorly written no thought put into it paragraphs...

holy fuck...

That's really funny. Ah comedic relief.....

Seriously, there's no such thing as the "transgendered community". Please don't mistake this primarily money and sex driven forum as being indicative of most trans peoples(or even most trans womens) lives.

[Quinn]

Legend, are you trying to win some sort of competition for the gayest avatar in the history of HA because those hearts are fabulous.

-Quinn

[Legend]

Legend, are you trying to win some sort of competition for the gayest avatar in the history of HA because those hearts are fabulous.

-Quinn

LOL

[Vicki Richter]

How does anyone define success in any field Legend? That is just chicken shit not to name me directly. Just ask the question.

First, it isn't how I define success, but what the word actually means. If you have a learning disability, you might not grasp success.

1. the favorable or prosperous termination of attempts or endeavors.
2. the attainment of wealth, position, honors, or the like.
3. a successful performance or achievement: The play was an instant success.
4. a person or thing that is successful: She was a great success on the talk show.

So no, by definition, success doesn't mean happiness. I didn't ask who the happy TS's were, I commented on successful TS's.

If I define success, yes it would be partially about money - in fact the greater part. Not what you make or can spend, but what you save. Any hard working escort can make $100k, but the question is who saves anything. Success isn't shoes or purses in my book. If you can buy property, that suggests success by anyone's definition.

One can be successful one day and fail the next. It isn't a lifetime achievement. Me winning an award in 2005 meant I was successful then, it has nothing to do with now.

But this isn't Social Studies class either is it.

[WendyWilliams]

ANd for once I must agree with Vicki!

Success is defined by many things especially achievement so who are YOU to decide what is successful? TRUST yes MANY people can fuck for money and or star in videos but ONLY those successful will continue to be sought after and use that success to do things as Vicki stated: buying property, saving, investing, etc.

[crayons]

Is it the ability to makes tons of money or is it the celebrity status amongst the community,could it be the ability to have other transseuxals look up to you as a role model?

I know it can't be how many pornos you've been featured in right?

I think if you can be recognized by the straight community i.e. Vaniity and Allanah Starr, then you've made it. The Adult Industry has always been about merging with the mainstream industry. Jenna is famous because she is the face of porn- anyone can look at a picture of her and they immediately know what she does. Regardless of how much some girls might think they're famous or successful, they're not. They're just in demand in their particular genre.

[Vicki Richter]

Crayon - can you ellaborate on what you mean by "recognized by the straight community"?

I am very curious.

Vicki

[crayons]

Vicki Richter: a name or face recongizable by consumers more akin to Vivid and/or Adam & Eve pornography. Basically, someone known outside their own community. For example: Jenna Jameson is even known by people who do not watch porn, but a name or face like Dana Vespoli might not be familiar to them- only to people that watch porn.

[TrueBeauty TS]

Vicki Richter: a name or face recongizable by consumers more akin to Vivid and/or Adam & Eve pornography. Basically, someone known outside their own community. For example: Jenna Jameson is even known by people who do not watch porn, but a name or face like Dana Vespoli might not be familiar to them- only to people that watch porn.


Is that success or just being well known? And is that the same thing?

[crayons]

Is that success or just being well known? And is that the same thing?

Depends, do you consider Jenna Jameson successful or just well known? I think Jenna is well known for being successful, whereas Ron Jeremy is just well known (I don't consider him successful).

[BeardedOne]

"Success" is too broad a term, as is "Community".

If the "community" is defined as burned up, worn out, just-this-side-of-senile old pervs, then =all= these gurls are a success (Shit, it works for =ME=).

To me, a "success" in the Trans "community" would be the gurl that fulfilled her dream to be who/what she wanted to be (That doesn't necessarily mean full-on SRS, just what =SHE= needs to be happy), who had acheived some sort of comfort in the world as a whole (Home, car, financial security, etc.) and who felt good about =herself= (This could take many forms, charity, business, family).

Truthfully, the question is too open-ended, subject to far-reaching interpretation, but it will be interesting to see the responses (Especially from the gurls).

[Vicki Richter]

Vicki Richter: a name or face recongizable by consumers more akin to Vivid and/or Adam & Eve pornography. Basically, someone known outside their own community. For example: Jenna Jameson is even known by people who do not watch porn, but a name or face like Dana Vespoli might not be familiar to them- only to people that watch porn.

So you are saying that people like, your parents for example, would know who Allanah or Vaniity were at a glance? If you showed Vaniity's photo to 5 of your straight friends, one would say, "oh hey that is vaniity"!

By the way, both Vaniity and Allanah are definitely successful TS IMHO. I just don't agree that they are well known outside of the genre. Definitely not to the level of a Vivid contract girl who has made 50 - 100 movies.

[BeardedOne]

Just caught this:


I think Jenna is well known for being successful, whereas Ron Jeremy is just well known (I don't consider him successful).

Oddly, he is successful even if for no other reason than being some homely, lard-assed, hairy dude that gets serious 'tang if for no other reason than that he is hung like King Kong.

No lie, that ugly little fucker gives all of us older guys hope that somehow, somewhere, we're gonna get some. :peanutbutter

I mean, really, from Debbie Does Dalls II to The Rodney Dangerfield Special, Police Academy, Boondock Saints, etc. Crikeys! He's gettin' on to being a brazillian years old and he's still getting his wick dipped!

That, my friend, ain't "Failure".

[TrueBeauty TS]

Depends, do you consider Jenna Jameson successful or just well known? I think Jenna is well known for being successful, whereas Ron Jeremy is just well known (I don't consider him successful).


So is she successful because she is well known or well known because she is successful? :)


To me, success is like porn.... I can't tell you exactly what it is, but I know it when I see it. And with every TS (just like every other person) it can be different.

To some TS's it may be the simple fact that they transitioned.

To others, it may be being total stealth.

Or having a family that supports you.

Being rich.

Being famous.

Being loved.

Just making it through another day.

Having friends.


Success is whatever you define it to be for yourself.




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[crayons]

So you are saying that people like, your parents for example, would know who Allanah or Vaniity were at a glance? If you showed Vaniity's photo to 5 of your straight friends, one would say, "oh hey that is vaniity"!

By the way, both Vaniity and Allanah are definitely successful TS IMHO. I just don't agree that they are well known outside of the genre. Definitely not to the level of a Vivid contract girl who has made 50 - 100 movies.

No, my parents wouldn't know who Vaniity is, but my homegirl Jessica probably would because she's watches smut, just not enough to know which girl is new and whatnot. My point is actually for the girls that've made less than 5 movies having delluisons of being successful because a forum of people that have singled out "hung angels" think they're hot and want to see them in another flick.
Anyhoo- I think there are very few TS's that are sucessful. The rest have an ego to stroke. And I agree with you about Vaniity and Allanah being sucessful with addition to Barbie.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Vicki Richter: a name or face recongizable by consumers more akin to Vivid and/or Adam & Eve pornography. Basically, someone known outside their own community. For example: Jenna Jameson is even known by people who do not watch porn, but a name or face like Dana Vespoli might not be familiar to them- only to people that watch porn.

So you are saying that people like, your parents for example, would know who Allanah or Vaniity were at a glance? If you showed Vaniity's photo to 5 of your straight friends, one would say, "oh hey that is vaniity"!

By the way, both Vaniity and Allanah are definitely successful TS IMHO. I just don't agree that they are well known outside of the genre. Definitely not to the level of a Vivid contract girl who has made 50 - 100 movies. I think Gia Darling is. Or Rupaul

[TrueBeauty TS]

Some examples...


http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TSsuccesses/TSsuccesses.html








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[Kriss]

I think if you can be recognized by the straight community, then you've made it. .

What????? That is so much rubbish, The "straight" community?
Success is acheiving your own individual goals, whatever that may be, Money, Fame, Status, Learn to play the piano, kill the president. If others perceive it as valid or not is totally irrellevant unless what you really seek is acceptance by a fickle herd of spoon fed consumers.

Successful is when you don't need to be concerned about the haters, when no-one can make you do anything you don't want to do, when nobody can control you regarding job, house, security

Vicki said it best really. Save, save, save.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Is it the ability to makes tons of money or is it the celebrity status amongst the community,could it be the ability to have other transseuxals look up to you as a role model?

I know it can't be how many pornos you've been featured in right? And I think you should of retated your question to how do you define if you are Successful in the Adult Industry. There are many successful transexuals that have nothing to do with that side of life. My role model is Kelly Van Der Veer she has made her fame off Big Brother her looks being in Playboy her acting in regular movies and singing. I also like Harisu...she's awesome. And Candis Cayne! She is amazing!

[crayons]

I think if you can be recognized by the straight community, then you've made it. .

What????? That is so much rubbish, The "straight" community?
Success is acheiving your own individual goals, whatever that may be, Money, Fame, Status, Learn to play the piano, kill the president. If others perceive it as valid or not is totally irrellevant unless what you really seek is acceptance by a fickle herd of spoon fed consumers.

Successful is when you don't need to be concerned about the haters, when no-one can make you do anything you don't want to do, when nobody can control you regarding job, house, security

Vicki said it best really. Save, save, save.

Your right. In one way, success is what you make it. But if we went by that definition, then everyone determines when they are sucessful or not. They could do one movie and flaunt how sucessful they are when others are doing cross-over work and also saying they are sucessful. I just say there should be a line drawn, when we can all agree "okay, now he/she is sucessful" otherwise everyone is the bloody Donald Trump of their own enterprise when they say so which I just see as tooting their own horn.

[Kriss]

But if we went by that definition, then everyone determines when they are sucessful or not. I just say there should be a line drawn, when we can all agree "okay, now he/she is sucessful" otherwise everyone is the bloody Donald Trump of their own enterprise when they say so which I just see as tooting their own horn.

But we really should go by that definition. Thats how it is. If for example you amassed all the wealth, success, hype, whatever in the world, if you are not happy then it's no good anyone telling you that you are successful. Success is selfish, it's not about how proud your family is that you have "respect" or adulation or how guys in uniforms call you "sir". Donald trump is full of shit, yes he has great wealth but to piss it away on cultivating a gratuatously shallow life of opulence makes him pretty low on my list. You are just buying into the myth of success=wealth+sycophants. Every girl with her enterprise IS successful, just to gain any degree of financial independance is a success. Are you asking for a "top ten rich list" of girls or shall we count who has the most friends on myspace?

[crayons]

I never said anything about wealth. I talked about cross-over ability. To me, your a success if your known outside your niche. You've gone into a whole monologue of everything wealth and oppulence which wasn't my point. Trump isn't an actor, but he can work in any buisness and still succeed because he is known.


Are you asking for a "top ten rich list" of girls or shall we count who has the most friends on myspace?

Do you honestly think a myspace friends list means anything? And top ten rich list is beside the point.

[Kriss]

I never said anything about wealth. I talked about cross-over ability. To me, your a success if your known outside your niche.

Do you honestly think a myspace friends list means anything? And top ten rich list is beside the point.
No the myspace bit was a joke , sorry i forget that my sarcastic brit humour isn't as cute as I think. I understand that it may be hard to tell when i am joking. I may be a pedant but how can people "outside", with no knowledge or understanding of your profession and appeal, possibly say what is or isn't success? And donald trump IS most defineately an actor.

[Legend]

How does anyone define success in any field Legend? That is just chicken shit not to name me directly. Just ask the question.

First, it isn't how I define success, but what the word actually means. If you have a learning disability, you might not grasp success.

1. the favorable or prosperous termination of attempts or endeavors.
2. the attainment of wealth, position, honors, or the like.
3. a successful performance or achievement: The play was an instant success.
4. a person or thing that is successful: She was a great success on the talk show.

So no, by definition, success doesn't mean happiness. I didn't ask who the happy TS's were, I commented on successful TS's.

If I define success, yes it would be partially about money - in fact the greater part. Not what you make or can spend, but what you save. Any hard working escort can make $100k, but the question is who saves anything. Success isn't shoes or purses in my book. If you can buy property, that suggests success by anyone's definition.

One can be successful one day and fail the next. It isn't a lifetime achievement. Me winning an award in 2005 meant I was successful then, it has nothing to do with now.

But this isn't Social Studies class either is it.

Wow wasn't expecting that insult from you because i didn't directly single you out,so from you it's about money i just kinda thought that this was somewhat different in the ts community on how you define success but your mostly right success is judge on how much money you make for yourself.

[Felicia Katt]

Depends, do you consider Jenna Jameson successful or just well known? I think Jenna is well known for being successful, whereas Ron Jeremy is just well known (I don't consider him successful).


So is she successful because she is well known or well known because she is successful? :)


To me, success is like porn.... I can't tell you exactly what it is, but I know it when I see it. And with every TS (just like every other person) it can be different.

To some TS's it may be the simple fact that they transitioned.

To others, it may be being total stealth.

Or having a family that supports you.

Being rich.

Being famous.

Being loved.

Just making it through another day.

Having friends.


Success is whatever you define it to be for yourself.

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well and wisely said. :) reminds me of one of my favorite quotes

Success usually comes to those who are too busy to be looking for it.
Henry David Thoreau


FK