My opinions on escorting: an intellectual debate

[truplaya4real]

I want to briefly talk about transgendered ladies and escorting. I am not going to personally attack anyone by calling out names. I don't judge because that responsibility lies with God. I just wanted to express what is on my mind and get some intelligent feed back on the subject.

Yeah, you get to buy some nice things with the money you earn. The transgender community has been exploited with the notion that you must have better material items than your peers.


Now, let's look at the flipside of the escorting (again, if thats what you want to call it). Here are a few issues that escorts have to deal with on a daily basis:

1. The Police: Yep, Yep! The Ol' boys in blue. They love to patrol areas where the streetwalkers are. I am sorry, I should say public escorts. Please excuse my manners. Also, the police set up stings with the escorts that advertise themselves in magazines, newspapers, and internet ads. They will pose as johns in hotels and get ya when prices are discussed.

2. Johns: They are the ones who keep the industry thriving. Yeah, they come in all shapes, colors, and sizes. From the old and young alike, they they come from all walks of life. Damn, some are even married and have kids but yet find themselves to be the transgendered ladies best customers. Go figure?!

Well, Johns (called tricks) can be professional and rough. The rough ones worry the escorts (if thats what you want to call them). The rough ones will pretend to be nice and rob them. Some of the johns have killed some of these poor human beings in the past and present. Wow! It's sad!

3. Motivation: The industry workers have to motivate themselves on a daily basis. Wow, just imagine some fat fuck walking through your door smelling like chitterlings and onions wanting a date. He wants you lick his backside and get on top of you in order to stick his wee-wee in your precious hole.

What person in their right mind would normally find this acceptable? You would have to talk yourself into doing this shit on a daily basis in order for you to survive. You may even have to stick your wee-wee inside of him and he may not be clean and end up leaving a brown suprise on you.

Damn! I guess there is some truth to the old saying, "All that glitters isn't gold!"

4. Self Esteem: I don't know. Do these people have any self worth? Do they feel that is the only thing they can do in this world? Do they perpetuate the facade that they are secure with themselves and have an internal conflict going on?

I mean, I hate to see someone be the victim of some fuck playing out their fantasies on them. I mean, these guys see them as freaks and treat them as such!

5. Future: They have to be scarred of what life is going to be like for them when they get older. What are they going to do when they are no longer desireable? What then? Go to McDonald's? Home Depot?

Do they have any money stored away earning them a fair market return in the form of interest? There is going to come a time when they will see one last John (nice way of saying turn a trick).

Yeah, the escort world is complicated and deep.

[MrsKellyPierce]

I want to briefly talk about transgendered ladies and escorting. I am not going to personally attack anyone by calling out names. I don't judge because that responsibility lies with God. I just wanted to express what is on my mind and get some intelligent feed back on the subject.

Yeah, you get to buy some nice things with the money you earn. The transgender community has been exploited with the notion that you must have better material items than your peers.


Now, let's look at the flipside of the escorting (again, if thats what you want to call it). Here are a few issues that escorts have to deal with on a daily basis:

1. The Police: Yep, Yep! The Ol' boys in blue. They love to patrol areas where the streetwalkers are. I am sorry, I should say public escorts. Please excuse my manners. Also, the police set up stings with the escorts that advertise themselves in magazines, newspapers, and internet ads. They will pose as johns in hotels and get ya when prices are discussed.

2. Johns: They are the ones who keep the industry thriving. Yeah, they come in all shapes, colors, and sizes. From the old and young alike, they they come from all walks of life. Damn, some are even married and have kids but yet find themselves to be the transgendered ladies best customers. Go figure?!

Well, Johns (called tricks) can be professional and rough. The rough ones worry the escorts (if thats what you want to call them). The rough ones will pretend to be nice and rob them. Some of the johns have killed some of these poor human beings in the past and present. Wow! It's sad!

3. Motivation: The industry workers have to motivate themselves on a daily basis. Wow, just imagine some fat fuck walking through your door smelling like chitterlings and onions wanting a date. He wants you lick his backside and get on top of you in order to stick his wee-wee in your precious hole.

What person in their right mind would normally find this acceptable? You would have to talk yourself into doing this shit on a daily basis in order for you to survive. You may even have to stick your wee-wee inside of him and he may not be clean and end up leaving a brown suprise on you.

Damn! I guess there is some truth to the old saying, "All that glitters isn't gold!"

4. Self Esteem: I don't know. Do these people have any self worth? Do they feel that is the only thing they can do in this world? Do they perpetuate the facade that they are secure with themselves and have an internal conflict going on?

I mean, I hate to see someone be the victim of some fuck playing out their fantasies on them. I mean, these guys see them as freaks and treat them as such!

5. Future: They have to be scarred of what life is going to be like for them when they get older. What are they going to do when they are no longer desireable? What then? Go to McDonald's? Home Depot?

Do they have any money stored away earning them a fair market return in the form of interest? There is going to come a time when they will see one last John (nice way of saying turn a trick).

Yeah, the escort world is complicated and deep. Really it's none of your business what girls do with their bodies.

[suckseed]

I'm sure that there's levels of operating. A high priced call girl probably leads a better, more adventurous and more fun life than some poor girl who marries Johnny Cableinstaller out of high school, then proceeds to spend her nights alone feeding Hamburger helper to the squalling brats while he's out drinking beer with his buddies...and getting a blowjob from a girl that looks like his wife did before he knocked her up. A TS I've spoken to told me her TS escort friends are some of the higher sexed people she's ever met. So they're partying down and living like rockstars for all we know. Would it be better if they paid for their transitioning earning $350 a week at Best Buy?
Shit, I can't give my services away on craigslist! :)

[AllanahStarrNYC]

your analysis is over simplistic and is biased towards your point of view.

are you an escort? have you ever worked as an escort?

NO- so you do not have first hand experience or the right to generalize over the proffesion.

the whole thung just sounds ignorant and so street- i never reffer to a customer as a trick or a john- that is so low class. they are clients-clients who often spend a great deal of money for many other things than just sex.

why are you so caught up in transsexuals being exploited by websites and escorting. last i remembered i am the one exploiting myself as i have made all the choices i have in the sex industry conciously.

[Kriss]

I want to briefly talk about transgendered ladies and escorting.

Sorry mate but this is some offensive shit. Do you really expect Escort girls to actually respond to this? It's not just the questions but the tone is so disrescpectful. Also your topic has many subtopics. Maybe you could post one a day, politely phrased and you may get some enlightening perspectives from the girls.

[GroobySteven]

I am not going to personally attack anyone by calling out names. I don't judge because that responsibility lies with God.

Fuck off, hypocrit.
You are on a board that survives because of the adult industry, you being here helps sustain it - so you are a part of the system as much as anybody.

By making the post, you are sitting back and making judgement. Tell that to your God when you meet him.
seanchai

[Jericho]

I am not going to personally attack anyone by calling out names. I don't judge because that responsibility lies with God.

Pah...If god didn't want them to do it, why did he give men erections?

[MrsKellyPierce]

FIRST - Can you really throw "God" into the argument of who is better than for their choice of who they sleep with, and then admit to premarital sex and masturbation, both of which are sins? "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone". Sit the fuck down.

Second - Once again, "God" isn't a valid argument in this situation. You have to realize that we don't live in a theocracy and people have freedom of Choice. If you want to enact your religion and praise how you see fit, then that's awesome. But being presumptuous enough to tell someone that THEY are not doing what "God" intended is fucking ignorant. When was the last time He spoke to you and told you what His DIVINE plan was? And second - forgiveness and ACCEPTANCE are two of the most important tenets of Christianity. Leave the judgement up to someone with a hell of a lot more experience than you. Again, sit the fuck down.

Third - You may not agree with the choice, but either way - it's called a civil liberty. She/He is not imposing on your civil rights, so she/he has the constitutional right to do whatever she/he wants. Stop being uneducated pricks.

THAT IS ALL

[loki]

As someone who used to escort i can tell you that you are full of shit. You evidently have preconceived ideas and opinions about this subject.If done right it is neither nasty nor debasing.And as for the low self esteem bullshit, that would depend on the person. We all sell ourselves and our services in one way or another. Whether it be a corporate job or manual labor. So in parting i have one thing to say,get over yourself everybody else has.

[yodajazz]

FIRST - Can you really throw "God" into the argument of who is better than for their choice of who they sleep with, and then admit to premarital sex and masturbation, both of which are sins? "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone". Sit the fuck down.

Second - Once again, "God" isn't a valid argument in this situation. You have to realize that we don't live in a theocracy and people have freedom of Choice. If you want to enact your religion and praise how you see fit, then that's awesome. But being presumptuous enough to tell someone that THEY are not doing what "God" intended is fucking ignorant. When was the last time He spoke to you and told you what His DIVINE plan was? And second - forgiveness and ACCEPTANCE are two of the most important tenets of Christianity. Leave the judgement up to someone with a hell of a lot more experience than you. Again, sit the fuck down.

Third - You may not agree with the choice, but either way - it's called a civil liberty. She/He is not imposing on your civil rights, so she/he has the constitutional right to do whatever she/he wants. Stop being uneducated pricks.

THAT IS ALL

I think that you are misinterpreting his use of "God" in his statement. To leave judgement to God, means that we are not making personal judgements against people or discriminate against them in any way. We accept that person and let their life have its natural consequences. That is the real acceptance, not the Christian Wrong movement approach.

I think he was saying that he was not judging escorts, but pointing out mostly negative consequences. The topic has been much discussed on this forum. All life paths have some negative sides, but this is the wrong place to bring it up. This is forum where people are proudly discussing their escort exeriences. An exception would be as was stated earlier, by someone who is doing it and wants to discuss thier life.

[muhmuh]

how about an argument against escorting that cant be argued with: the law of large numbers

[blakpadi]

Ignorant thugwannabe that the streets will humble in time.

[GroobySteven]

I think that you are misinterpreting his use of "God" in his statement. To leave judgement to God, means that we are not making personal judgements against people or discriminate against them in any way. We accept that person and let their life have it natural consequences.

Then why bring God into it?
If he's talking about "judgement" - he's then he's automatically starting his debate with stating that he thinks what they do is wrong but he's not going to judge.
It's bollocks.
seanchai

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

I can't believe this thread is still up.

[MrsKellyPierce]

I think that you are misinterpreting his use of "God" in his statement. To leave judgement to God, means that we are not making personal judgements against people or discriminate against them in any way. We accept that person and let their life have it natural consequences.

Then why bring God into it?
If he's talking about "judgement" - he's then he's automatically starting his debate with stating that he thinks what they do is wrong but he's not going to judge.
It's bollocks.
seanchai Agreed..he was using "GOD" in a snorty torty way. Saying oh let God Be the judge. Thats automatically stating what they think with out being the ones to say it, because they are too pussy to have their own opinion. And hide behind "God" for judgement, hate, and feel better than. That's the point I was trying to get across..Noone is better than anyone else. We all stem from different jobs, but at the same time may not lead the best life. I know plenty of lawyers and doctors that are doing drugs, beating their wives, cheating on their wives, and yet that isn't taken into consideration? I also know escorts that are the sweetest most angelic people you could meet. Don't do drugs, Don't even drink much less smoke. But they do get paid for their time. Whenever someone brings "God" into an argument. It's to judge someone, or to say I'm better than you. So YODA read between the lines before you type.

[MrsKellyPierce]

FIRST - Can you really throw "God" into the argument of who is better than for their choice of who they sleep with, and then admit to premarital sex and masturbation, both of which are sins? "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone". Sit the fuck down.

Second - Once again, "God" isn't a valid argument in this situation. You have to realize that we don't live in a theocracy and people have freedom of Choice. If you want to enact your religion and praise how you see fit, then that's awesome. But being presumptuous enough to tell someone that THEY are not doing what "God" intended is fucking ignorant. When was the last time He spoke to you and told you what His DIVINE plan was? And second - forgiveness and ACCEPTANCE are two of the most important tenets of Christianity. Leave the judgement up to someone with a hell of a lot more experience than you. Again, sit the fuck down.

Third - You may not agree with the choice, but either way - it's called a civil liberty. She/He is not imposing on your civil rights, so she/he has the constitutional right to do whatever she/he wants. Stop being uneducated pricks.

THAT IS ALL

I think that you are misinterpreting his use of "God" in his statement. To leave judgement to God, means that we are not making personal judgements against people or discriminate against them in any way. We accept that person and let their life have it natural consequences. That is the real acceptance, not the Christian Wrong movement approach.

I think he was saying that he was not judging escorts, but pointing out mostly negative consequences. The topic has been much discussed on this forum. All life paths have some negative sides, but this is the wrong place to bring it up. This is forum where people are proudly discussing their escort exeriences. An exception would be as was stated earlier, by someone who is doing it and wants to discuss thier life. Clearly he was judging escorts..read the first paragraph..obviously you are blind or can't comprehand what he was saying?

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

lol @ snorty torty

I demand that the OP spend a week in a closet area of a one bedroom apartment in an urban environment with no identification only a pre-paid cellphone and a nearby pc hotspot where you can rent net time by the hour; i demand that the OP then post an ad on craigslist so that he can then spend hours on end in that closet area in that 1 bedroom apartment in an urban area answering phonecalls from pretenders saying they'd like to make an appointment or detectives trying to set him up; finally I demand that the OP after making some money off of a client then give 80% of it to the primary renter to pay for that closet space............ when you've accomplished that, feel free to post a fair observation of what many of these girls go through

[MrsKellyPierce]

lol @ snorty torty

I demand that the OP spend a week in a closet area of a one bedroom apartment in an urban environment with no identification only a pre-paid cellphone and a nearby pc hotspot where you can rent net time by the hour; i demand that the OP then post an ad on craigslist so that he can then spend hours on end in that closet area in that 1 bedroom apartment in an urban area answering phonecalls from pretenders saying they'd like to make an appointment or detectives trying to set him up; finally I demand that the OP after making some money off of a client then give 80% of it to the primary renter to pay for that closet space............ when you've accomplished that, feel free to post a fair observation of what many of these girls go through Preach that gospel! lol

[MrsKellyPierce]

Oh and furthermore I prefer to call them "massage therapist" rather than escorts :lol:

[sucka4chix]

Good grief. It wasn't that serious. The ramblings of a conflicted man, and the mention of God was so small, but y'all made it so BIG! I always find that curious. This was all HIS editorial. It was not very intellectual but neither was the response.

[peggygee]

I want to briefly talk about transgendered ladies and escorting. I am not going to personally attack anyone by calling out names. I don't judge because that responsibility lies with God. I just wanted to express what is on my mind and get some intelligent feed back on the subject.

Yeah, you get to buy some nice things with the money you earn. The transgender community has been exploited with the notion that you must have better material items than your peers.


Now, let's look at the flipside of the escorting (again, if thats what you want to call it). Here are a few issues that escorts have to deal with on a daily basis:

1. The Police: Yep, Yep! The Ol' boys in blue. They love to patrol areas where the streetwalkers are. I am sorry, I should say public escorts. Please excuse my manners. Also, the police set up stings with the escorts that advertise themselves in magazines, newspapers, and internet ads. They will pose as johns in hotels and get ya when prices are discussed.

2. Johns: They are the ones who keep the industry thriving. Yeah, they come in all shapes, colors, and sizes. From the old and young alike, they they come from all walks of life. Damn, some are even married and have kids but yet find themselves to be the transgendered ladies best customers. Go figure?!

Well, Johns (called tricks) can be professional and rough. The rough ones worry the escorts (if thats what you want to call them). The rough ones will pretend to be nice and rob them. Some of the johns have killed some of these poor human beings in the past and present. Wow! It's sad!

3. Motivation: The industry workers have to motivate themselves on a daily basis. Wow, just imagine some fat fuck walking through your door smelling like chitterlings and onions wanting a date. He wants you lick his backside and get on top of you in order to stick his wee-wee in your precious hole.

What person in their right mind would normally find this acceptable? You would have to talk yourself into doing this shit on a daily basis in order for you to survive. You may even have to stick your wee-wee inside of him and he may not be clean and end up leaving a brown suprise on you.

Damn! I guess there is some truth to the old saying, "All that glitters isn't gold!"

4. Self Esteem: I don't know. Do these people have any self worth? Do they feel that is the only thing they can do in this world? Do they perpetuate the facade that they are secure with themselves and have an internal conflict going on?

I mean, I hate to see someone be the victim of some fuck playing out their fantasies on them. I mean, these guys see them as freaks and treat them as such!

5. Future: They have to be scarred of what life is going to be like for them when they get older. What are they going to do when they are no longer desireable? What then? Go to McDonald's? Home Depot?

Do they have any money stored away earning them a fair market return in the form of interest? There is going to come a time when they will see one last John (nice way of saying turn a trick).

Yeah, the escort world is complicated and deep.


I would be receptive to having a discussion on the topic of
escorting.

Though at the onset, I want to go on the record as saying that
I do not see it as a moral issue, or one in which another person's
code of ethics should be imposed on another person.

Further, this is not a good or bad, right or wrong type of issue, as
there are various shades of grey that impact the situation.

Your first two points about the police and about the clients, are
legitimate concerns. The police in many areas can be very
zealous in their efforts to curb the activities of those engaged in
this line of work.

And as you state, many of the clients are not 'Richard Gere' in
'Pretty Woman'. Some are attractive, pleasant. courteous, and are
not problematic to work with. Some may be a pain in the ass, and
not in the good way. Their hygiene may be bad, their disposition poor.
Additionally a women must be hyper-vigialnt to ensure her safety.

The motivation factor that you have alluded to has validity as well.
Though much like any other job, people must often deal with clients,
customers, co-workers, or bosses that they would much rather not
have to deal with. Hopefully the hourly rate of this escort will
provide motivation and incentive. Like any other job there can be
a sentiment of take this job and shove it, if they are not
being compensated adequately.

Your mention of self esteem is one that I particularly would like to
address. I do not feel that a lack of self esteem drives all women
into escort work. There definetely, un-equivocally, and without
arguement is societal discrination that may force many women into
sex work.

As a transwoman is transitioning she will find many employment
barriers in her path. If she is fortunate she will be in a place of
employment that will be both socially and financially supportive of
her as she transitons.

Ideally her job would provide her with health coverage to assist
her in her transition. Does her HMO or group health plan cover
HRT, psychotherapy, etc. It most likely won't cover any needed
surgeries related to her transition.

And if a woman is able to or must pay out of pocket costs
related to her transition, there are other considerations.

For instance, is her place of employment transfriendly, do her
co-workers discriminate against her. Do they make her feel less
than worthy, is it a hostile work environment.

Yes, there are legal protections, and yes there are transfriendly
employers, but not all women will be lucky enough or have the
wherewithal to end up in a job such as that. It takes a great
deal of creativity, perserverance, and good fortune to make
it through to your ultimate goal.

As to the future, I always encourage any women who is engaged
in the sex trade to be mindful of the future. Hopefully she is using
this work as a stepping stone, as a means to an end.

Ideally she is investing or saving her money. Perhaps she has
returned to school or is preparing herself for another line of work.

Maybe another course of action may be to find more affordable
surgeons, perhaps in a foreign country. Once a woman has reached
her surgical goals, has her documents in order she may consider
going stealth and leaving her past behind. But the Catch 22 here
is that an employer will want to know what you have been doing
job wise for the last X number of years.

The reality of life is that if a person is alive, they will get older. There
will come a time the either the body or the mind will not be able to
continue in this line of work.

Another consideration will be that not all girls are able to command
a $200 - $300 fee. In my opinion there appears to be near market
saturation with scores of women having ads on the Net, and in the
papers, etc.

Also guys are always looking for the next PYT, the new 'it' girl, and
the sex trade can be a fickle Mistress to mix a metaphor.

If a woman is aware of the various ramifications of this type of
work, if she has carefully thought it out, if she has a exit strategy
in place, then it may work for her, though it is not for every
woman.

Further and finally neither the women nor society should feel that
this is is the only type of work that a transwoman should be
engaged in.

Transwomen should be able to work in any line of work that is of
their chosing.

[ezed]

I want to briefly talk about transgendered ladies and escorting. I am not going to personally attack anyone by calling out names. I don't judge because that responsibility lies with God. I just wanted to express what is on my mind and get some intelligent feed back on the subject.

Yeah, you get to buy some nice things with the money you earn. The transgender community has been exploited with the notion that you must have better material items than your peers.


Now, let's look at the flipside of the escorting (again, if thats what you want to call it). Here are a few issues that escorts have to deal with on a daily basis:

1. The Police: Yep, Yep! The Ol' boys in blue. They love to patrol areas where the streetwalkers are. I am sorry, I should say public escorts. Please excuse my manners. Also, the police set up stings with the escorts that advertise themselves in magazines, newspapers, and internet ads. They will pose as johns in hotels and get ya when prices are discussed.

2. Johns: They are the ones who keep the industry thriving. Yeah, they come in all shapes, colors, and sizes. From the old and young alike, they they come from all walks of life. Damn, some are even married and have kids but yet find themselves to be the transgendered ladies best customers. Go figure?!

Well, Johns (called tricks) can be professional and rough. The rough ones worry the escorts (if thats what you want to call them). The rough ones will pretend to be nice and rob them. Some of the johns have killed some of these poor human beings in the past and present. Wow! It's sad!

3. Motivation: The industry workers have to motivate themselves on a daily basis. Wow, just imagine some fat fuck walking through your door smelling like chitterlings and onions wanting a date. He wants you lick his backside and get on top of you in order to stick his wee-wee in your precious hole.

What person in their right mind would normally find this acceptable? You would have to talk yourself into doing this shit on a daily basis in order for you to survive. You may even have to stick your wee-wee inside of him and he may not be clean and end up leaving a brown suprise on you.

Damn! I guess there is some truth to the old saying, "All that glitters isn't gold!"

4. Self Esteem: I don't know. Do these people have any self worth? Do they feel that is the only thing they can do in this world? Do they perpetuate the facade that they are secure with themselves and have an internal conflict going on?

I mean, I hate to see someone be the victim of some fuck playing out their fantasies on them. I mean, these guys see them as freaks and treat them as such!

5. Future: They have to be scarred of what life is going to be like for them when they get older. What are they going to do when they are no longer desireable? What then? Go to McDonald's? Home Depot?

Do they have any money stored away earning them a fair market return in the form of interest? There is going to come a time when they will see one last John (nice way of saying turn a trick).

Yeah, the escort world is complicated and deep.

Why? Jesus Christ, why? We all have our reasons and circumstances. What makes you think you can pontificate without walking a mile in someone else's shoe. You really don't know shit about those you generalize about. Ask yourself, who the fuck am I to say what another person does with their life. YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT. YOU HAVEN'T LIVED THAT PERSON'S LIFE! Jesus H. Christ, these sanctamonious judgements wanna make me puke. Fuckin A! I love it when these "Helpful Henriattas" toss in their two cents worth and tell everyone how to live their life. :evil: :puke

[Solitary Brother]

lol @ snorty torty

I demand that the OP spend a week in a closet area of a one bedroom apartment in an urban environment with no identification only a pre-paid cellphone and a nearby pc hotspot where you can rent net time by the hour; i demand that the OP then post an ad on craigslist so that he can then spend hours on end in that closet area in that 1 bedroom apartment in an urban area answering phonecalls from pretenders saying they'd like to make an appointment or detectives trying to set him up; finally I demand that the OP after making some money off of a client then give 80% of it to the primary renter to pay for that closet space............ when you've accomplished that, feel free to post a fair observation of what many of these girls go through

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