Ausralia`s Howard KO`s Obama

[White_Male_Canada]

THE one thing no one is saying about Prime Minister John Howard's remarks is they are obviously right. Asked about US Senator Barack Hussein Obama's plan to withdraw all US forces from Iraq by March 31, 2008, Howard replied: "If I were running al-Qa'ida in Iraq, I would put a circle around March 2008 and pray as many times as possible for a victory not only for Obama, but also for the Democrats."

Certainly al-Qa'ida agrees. After the November 2006 elections handed control of the US Congress to the anti-war Democrats, al-Qa'ida's leader in Iraq gloated in an audio-taped message: "The American people have taken a step in the right path to come out of their predicament, they voted for a level of reason."

Abu Omar al-Baghdad, who heads an al-Qa'ida umbrella group, made the terror group's latest demand for allied withdrawal on February 2: "We order you to withdraw your forces immediately. But the withdrawal must be via troop transport trucks and passenger planes whereby each soldier is allowed to carry his own weapon only. They may not withdraw any of the heavy military equipment, and the military bases must be handed over to the mujahidin of the Islamic state, and the duration of the withdrawal may not exceed a month."

So Obama's position and that of al-Qa'ida's are virtually identical, except for the departure date.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21214739-7583,00.html
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Yet it is a fact that Howard's comment has had such a big impact outside of Australia precisely because he was essentially correct. A designated and unconditional US withdrawal from Iraq by March 2008 would amount to a defeat for the multinational force and a victory for the insurgency, along with al-Qaeda, in Iraq. This should be recognised by those who oppose the allied commitment in Iraq as well as those who support it.

The verbal punch-up between Howard and Obama indicates just how important the issue that divides them is to each man. Obama has consistently opposed allied intervention in Iraq. He is on record as saying that Saddam Hussein should have been left alone in Iraq, since he believed that he was no threat to the US.
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2007/02/12/1171128900726.html?page=fullpage

[Caleigh]

Funny that I dont' see Obama saying that the U.S. military should leave all their weapons behind. You are (as usual) totally misrepresenting the situation.

What Obama DID say in an interview is that he suggests the transfer of most troops from Iraq back to Afghanistan over the next 2 years while leaving the most specialized anti-terrorist units in place to assist the Iraqis.

Such subtleties seem to be lost on you.

And if you are so gung ho on U.S. military intervention all over the planet why don't you join up? Because you are an armchair tin-pot general who loves this crazy idea of War but who isn't prepared to actually get involved.

[chefmike]

And if you are so gung ho on U.S. military intervention all over the planet why don't you join up? Because you are an armchair tin-pot general who loves this crazy idea of War but who isn't prepared to actually get involved.

aka a chickenhawk...

[White_Male_Canada]

And if you are so gung ho on U.S. military intervention all over the planet why don't you join up? Because you are an armchair tin-pot general who loves this crazy idea of War but who isn't prepared to actually get involved.

Yeah. There`s this little thing called ' Division of labor'. Check it out.

And this chickenhawk nonsense AGAIN !

``Chicken hawk" isn't an argument. It is a slur -- a dishonest and incoherent slur. It is dishonest because those who invoke it don't really mean what they imply -- that only those with combat experience have the moral authority or the necessary understanding to advocate military force. After all, US foreign policy would be more hawkish, not less, if decisions about war and peace were left up to members of the armed forces.

You inerrantly argue in favor of a military juanta.

If only those who served in uniform during wartime have the moral standing and experience to back a war, then only they have the moral standing and experience to oppose a war. Those who mock the views of ``chicken hawks" ought to be just as dismissive of ``chicken doves."

Bill Clinton served in what branch of the Armed Forces again ?

So using your flawed logic,

Why are you not in Darfur feeding starving children?
Why are you not in China protesting the political detention of dissidents?
Why are you not in Swaziland teaching people how to prevent the spread of AIDS?
Why are you not in Latin America training revolutionaries to overthrow corrupt regimes?
Why are you not providing abortions to teenage girls and selling the aborted baby parts for profit?

[chefmike]

Why are you not providing abortions to teenage girls and selling the aborted baby parts for profit?

Because I haven't finished my correspondance course yet...

But I'm fuckin' psyched, dude!

Nah. We ain't goin out Dem Style.......... aka Femocrat, LBJ, type. If it takes every single Republican standing up for Lincolns ideals, we will.

We are the party of Lincoln. Just like before, you have to eliminate us at the gun point. And just like before, you will lose.

[ps911fan]

Middle finger people like WhiteMaleCanada (MFP's are people that you give the finger when you see them or hear them around) are never every concerned about what a foreign leader has to say unless they fall in lock step with the stupid thoughts they generate in their fevered brains.

However, Obama and his steam won't stand for that crap and responded quite well to the stupidity of John Howard. WhiteMale probably never saw this since he probably only watches FoxNoise which made sure Obama's response was never aired.....

Obamas response documented by the NY Daily news:

"I think it's flattering that one of George Bush's allies on the other side of the world started attacking me on the day after I announced," Obama said of the low blow from Down Under.

Prime Minister John Howard said Obama's plan to withdraw troops by March 2008 would play into terrorists' hands. "If I were running Al Qaeda in Iraq, I would put a circle around March 2008 and be praying as many times as possible for a victory, not only for Obama but also for the Democrats," Howard said.

Obama noted that Australia has only 1,400 troops in Iraq.

"If he's ginned up to fight the good fight in Iraq, I would suggest that he calls up another 20,000 Australians and sends them to Iraq. Otherwise it's just a bunch of empty rhetoric," Obama said.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/story/496736p-418667c.html

its about time a Dem gave a pussy like John Howard as well as the GOP a good kick in their stupid heads....

Not having been here much, why is a backassward conservative f----head like WhiteMale doing on this very liberal website....and if you live in Canada as your name here states, why do you even have the right to comment when your contry has already decided to decline participation.....AND you certainly have the ability to "put up or shut up" by volunteering for cannon fodder duty as a freelancer or "contractor".

But as usual, its easier to be a fighting keyboarder then stick up for your beliefs....probably get a hard on watching 24 don't you but you would never hve the balls to put yourself in harm's way. My god, you are the ultimate troll....why don't you go to the mental midgets at Lucianne.com or FreeRepublic who, if they work really hard, could barely light a bulb with their feeble brain power. You obvously fit right in and thew would be glad to have your chickenhawk presence.

People like you give dumbasses a bad name.....and your attack on Obama makes Gandi's words (i paraphrase) about when they attack you constantly you must be right about what you are doing...

Obama will not be stopped by your stupidity or the GOP's stupidity..

Get a life, ultimate troll!














THE one thing no one is saying about Prime Minister John Howard's remarks is they are obviously right. Asked about US Senator Barack Hussein Obama's plan to withdraw all US forces from Iraq by March 31, 2008, Howard replied: "If I were running al-Qa'ida in Iraq, I would put a circle around March 2008 and pray as many times as possible for a victory not only for Obama, but also for the Democrats."

Certainly al-Qa'ida agrees. After the November 2006 elections handed control of the US Congress to the anti-war Democrats, al-Qa'ida's leader in Iraq gloated in an audio-taped message: "The American people have taken a step in the right path to come out of their predicament, they voted for a level of reason."

Abu Omar al-Baghdad, who heads an al-Qa'ida umbrella group, made the terror group's latest demand for allied withdrawal on February 2: "We order you to withdraw your forces immediately. But the withdrawal must be via troop transport trucks and passenger planes whereby each soldier is allowed to carry his own weapon only. They may not withdraw any of the heavy military equipment, and the military bases must be handed over to the mujahidin of the Islamic state, and the duration of the withdrawal may not exceed a month."

So Obama's position and that of al-Qa'ida's are virtually identical, except for the departure date.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21214739-7583,00.html
================================================== =======================


Yet it is a fact that Howard's comment has had such a big impact outside of Australia precisely because he was essentially correct. A designated and unconditional US withdrawal from Iraq by March 2008 would amount to a defeat for the multinational force and a victory for the insurgency, along with al-Qaeda, in Iraq. This should be recognised by those who oppose the allied commitment in Iraq as well as those who support it.

The verbal punch-up between Howard and Obama indicates just how important the issue that divides them is to each man. Obama has consistently opposed allied intervention in Iraq. He is on record as saying that Saddam Hussein should have been left alone in Iraq, since he believed that he was no threat to the US.
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2007/02/12/1171128900726.html?page=fullpage

[specialk]

Middle finger people like WhiteMaleCanada (MFP's are people that you give the finger when you see them or hear them around) are never every concerned about what a foreign leader has to say unless they fall in lock step with the stupid thoughts they generate in their fevered brains.

However, Obama and his steam won't stand for that crap and responded quite well to the stupidity of John Howard. WhiteMale probably never saw this since he probably only watches FoxNoise which made sure Obama's response was never aired.....

Obamas response documented by the NY Daily news:

"I think it's flattering that one of George Bush's allies on the other side of the world started attacking me on the day after I announced," Obama said of the low blow from Down Under.

Prime Minister John Howard said Obama's plan to withdraw troops by March 2008 would play into terrorists' hands. "If I were running Al Qaeda in Iraq, I would put a circle around March 2008 and be praying as many times as possible for a victory, not only for Obama but also for the Democrats," Howard said.

Obama noted that Australia has only 1,400 troops in Iraq.

"If he's ginned up to fight the good fight in Iraq, I would suggest that he calls up another 20,000 Australians and sends them to Iraq. Otherwise it's just a bunch of empty rhetoric," Obama said.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/story/496736p-418667c.html

its about time a Dem gave a pussy like John Howard as well as the GOP a good kick in their stupid heads....

Not having been here much, why is a backassward conservative f----head like WhiteMale doing on this very liberal website....and if you live in Canada as your name here states, why do you even have the right to comment when your contry has already decided to decline participation.....AND you certainly have the ability to "put up or shut up" by volunteering for cannon fodder duty as a freelancer or "contractor".

But as usual, its easier to be a fighting keyboarder then stick up for your beliefs....probably get a hard on watching 24 don't you but you would never hve the balls to put yourself in harm's way. My god, you are the ultimate troll....why don't you go to the mental midgets at Lucianne.com or FreeRepublic who, if they work really hard, could barely light a bulb with their feeble brain power. You obvously fit right in and thew would be glad to have your chickenhawk presence.

People like you give dumbasses a bad name.....and your attack on Obama makes Gandi's words (i paraphrase) about when they attack you constantly you must be right about what you are doing...

Obama will not be stopped by your stupidity or the GOP's stupidity..

Get a life, ultimate troll!














THE one thing no one is saying about Prime Minister John Howard's remarks is they are obviously right. Asked about US Senator Barack Hussein Obama's plan to withdraw all US forces from Iraq by March 31, 2008, Howard replied: "If I were running al-Qa'ida in Iraq, I would put a circle around March 2008 and pray as many times as possible for a victory not only for Obama, but also for the Democrats."

Certainly al-Qa'ida agrees. After the November 2006 elections handed control of the US Congress to the anti-war Democrats, al-Qa'ida's leader in Iraq gloated in an audio-taped message: "The American people have taken a step in the right path to come out of their predicament, they voted for a level of reason."

Abu Omar al-Baghdad, who heads an al-Qa'ida umbrella group, made the terror group's latest demand for allied withdrawal on February 2: "We order you to withdraw your forces immediately. But the withdrawal must be via troop transport trucks and passenger planes whereby each soldier is allowed to carry his own weapon only. They may not withdraw any of the heavy military equipment, and the military bases must be handed over to the mujahidin of the Islamic state, and the duration of the withdrawal may not exceed a month."

So Obama's position and that of al-Qa'ida's are virtually identical, except for the departure date.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21214739-7583,00.html
================================================== =======================


Yet it is a fact that Howard's comment has had such a big impact outside of Australia precisely because he was essentially correct. A designated and unconditional US withdrawal from Iraq by March 2008 would amount to a defeat for the multinational force and a victory for the insurgency, along with al-Qaeda, in Iraq. This should be recognised by those who oppose the allied commitment in Iraq as well as those who support it.

The verbal punch-up between Howard and Obama indicates just how important the issue that divides them is to each man. Obama has consistently opposed allied intervention in Iraq. He is on record as saying that Saddam Hussein should have been left alone in Iraq, since he believed that he was no threat to the US.
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2007/02/12/1171128900726.html?page=fullpage

I guess Obama has lost the Australian vote :roll: ....welcome rookie, nice intro!

[White_Male_Canada]

However, Obama and his steam won't stand for that crap and responded quite well to the stupidity of John Howard. WhiteMale probably never saw this since he probably only watches FoxNoise which made sure Obama's response was never aired.....

its about time a Dem gave a pussy like John Howard as well as the GOP a good kick in their stupid heads....

Obama will not be stopped by your stupidity or the GOP's stupidity..

Actually, when the radical left become this distressed to the point of being totally irrational, you know a nerve has been hit.

Obama has just KO`d himself. He will not get the nomination after stating, " ...lives of the bravest young Americans wasted."
The outrage at this neophyte was so loud the very next day Obama then said,"Even as I said it, I realized I had misspoken...It is not at all what I intended to say, and I would absolutely apologize if any (military families) felt that in some ways it had diminished the enormous courage and sacrifice that they'd shown."

He did not "misspeak", in an unguarded moment his true nature was seen. The nature of a leftist with hate and disdain.

And guess what newbie, even the NYTimes is now pounding this piker to dust. You`re in such an agitated state you`re not even paying attention.

Maureen Dowd, " He Looked as if he Needed a Smoke and He Needed it Bad...Obama's so slender his wedding band looked as if it was slipping off... there was a wariness in his dark eyes...he took a sniffy shot at the loutish reporters who were merely whispering where’s the beef: “Take some notes, guys, that’s how it’s done" "


You get the idea. Obama is toast.




Not having been here much, why is a backassward conservative f----head like WhiteMale doing on this very liberal website....and if you live in Canada as your name here states, why do you even have the right to comment when your contry has already decided to decline participation.....AND you certainly have the ability to "put up or shut up" by volunteering for cannon fodder duty as a freelancer or "contractor".

After you volunteer to abort babies, tear up the parts and sell them for profit. Then move to Darfur and feed the planet. Once more, it`s called 'Division of Labor', go read a book.
Canada has committed it`s resources to Afghanistan and is on point.

You`re whole rant is merely a tale … full of sound and fury; signifying nothing.

[ps911fan]

For everyone that reads these posts, it must be made clear that WhiteMaleCandada is truly without a point....and those who tolerate his foolishness must see this as time goes forward.

WhiteMale could not respond to the issue of John Howard not "putting up" sufficient troops to make his so-called support of the Iraq war, instead he relies on moving to what i call "shiny keys" (diverting the point to something not relevant to the issue but instead becomes a direct attack on the person being discussed......

I will address this diversion but only for a short moment. I am glad he corrected a statement he should have probably worded correctly. Most people know what he was trying to say and only the dummies like yourself that lean far right will try to paint him as some troop hating malcontent. However, the President cannot apologize or "coirrect" for the deaths of 3000 soliders and 100000+ iraq citizens by his lies and deceit. The right cannot defend, hide or obfuscate the truth that has been revealed about every lie or ginned up "facts". That point renders anything you have tried to say as impotent and moot. Being mentally impotent helps you in this area quite well. The military families have much to be frustrated about but its not Obama, but "the Decider" who will face the wrath of those who are trying to live witht he fact that their son or daughter did NOT die for anything noble. We are living in the sequel of the Fog of War as Westmoreland wrote about. However, you and "the Decider" did not learn anything from the mistakes of LBJ or others that kept the vietnam war alive. LBJ finally learned what he did was wrong. GWB is too stupid or too stubborn to learn from his mistakes. YOu as a lemming will do anything that the right says...no matter how stupid it is.....except actually go to war to support your questionable beliefs. you like howard are a pussy and everyone here can see it clearly.

Calling me angry because your arguments have no juice is another "shiny key" and identifying its shallow purpose is all I have to do put it aside.

Your comment about joining some "effort" to abort babies is really out there in wingnut land. No reasonable person can even give any mental cycles to your comment.....it too is a weak, impotent response to the fact that you are not more than another weak, wimpy dickless armchair keyboarder that has not the guts to stand for what you believe in.

Yes, Canada is in Afganistan - but Canada wisely declines to participate in Iraq. What is your reason for not being there, doing what you have to support those who are warmongers? Personally, until we can show any progress, we should not let one more solider die for this BS "cause".

You troll, are certainly welcome to join the cannon fodder team. When an IED blows you up, we will not remember you or or honor you, we will just know that you stuck yourself out there more BS. Oh but wait, the idea of that probably made you pee your panties.....so I won't hold my breath there.

People like you are the problem => Too dumb to really look into the issues of the war. It too much to take the time to see whats really going on when you can just sit there in your soiled underwear, eating chips, and playing with your dinky while you dream of being like your pretend hero, Jack Bauer.

Again, why are you here on this board. Why don't you go somewhere where right wingers will make you feel like a king....of the other dummies.











However, Obama and his steam won't stand for that crap and responded quite well to the stupidity of John Howard. WhiteMale probably never saw this since he probably only watches FoxNoise which made sure Obama's response was never aired.....

its about time a Dem gave a pussy like John Howard as well as the GOP a good kick in their stupid heads....

Obama will not be stopped by your stupidity or the GOP's stupidity..

Actually, when the radical left become this distressed to the point of being totally irrational, you know a nerve has been hit.

Obama has just KO`d himself. He will not get the nomination after stating, " ...lives of the bravest young Americans wasted."
The outrage at this neophyte was so loud the very next day Obama then said,"Even as I said it, I realized I had misspoken...It is not at all what I intended to say, and I would absolutely apologize if any (military families) felt that in some ways it had diminished the enormous courage and sacrifice that they'd shown."

He did not "misspeak", in an unguarded moment his true nature was seen. The nature of a leftist with hate and disdain.

And guess what newbie, even the NYTimes is now pounding this piker to dust. You`re in such an agitated state you`re not even paying attention.

Maureen Dowd, " He Looked as if he Needed a Smoke and He Needed it Bad...Obama's so slender his wedding band looked as if it was slipping off... there was a wariness in his dark eyes...he took a sniffy shot at the loutish reporters who were merely whispering where’s the beef: “Take some notes, guys, that’s how it’s done" "


You get the idea. Obama is toast.




Not having been here much, why is a backassward conservative f----head like WhiteMale doing on this very liberal website....and if you live in Canada as your name here states, why do you even have the right to comment when your contry has already decided to decline participation.....AND you certainly have the ability to "put up or shut up" by volunteering for cannon fodder duty as a freelancer or "contractor".

After you volunteer to abort babies, tear up the parts and sell them for profit. Then move to Darfur and feed the planet. Once more, it`s called 'Division of Labor', go read a book.
Canada has committed it`s resources to Afghanistan and is on point.

You`re whole rant is merely a tale … full of sound and fury; signifying nothing.

[White_Male_Canada]

WhiteMale could not respond to the issue of John Howard not "putting up" sufficient troops to make his so-called support of the Iraq war, instead he relies on moving to what i call "shiny keys" (diverting the point to something not relevant to the issue but instead becomes a direct attack on the person being discussed

Ausralia barely has 70,000 in their armed forces nitwit. Do you expect them to match the numbers in Iraq of the USA. Iraq is Australia`s largest deployment.

What you have failed to respond to is how the left-wing NY Times shredded your great black hope.


However, the President cannot apologize or "coirrect" for the deaths of 3000 soliders and 100000+ iraq citizens by his lies and deceit. The right cannot defend, hide or obfuscate the truth that has been revealed about every lie or ginned up "facts".

Ah yes, the "ginned up facts" routine. So according to your delusional "facts" Bill Clinton, Ted Kennedy, AlGore etal were all in on the grand conspiracy !?

"The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow." -- Bill Clinton

"Iraq does pose a serious threat to the stability of the Persian Gulf and we should organize an international coalition to eliminate his access to weapons of mass destruction. Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." -- Al Gore

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." -- Ted Kennedy

Added to that 2 Million captured Iraqi documents proving a direct relationship between terrorism and Saddam Hussien, including the Taliban and AQ, ALL A BIG LIE right sport ?




Your comment about joining some "effort" to abort babies is really out there in wingnut land.

Your rant merely proves the inanity of your chickenhawk slur," Well why don`t you go and fight if you support the effort." So to I exposed your absurdity by being absurd. The fact you just don`t get it attests to your stupidity.


Yes, Canada is in Afganistan - but Canada wisely declines to participate in Iraq. What is your reason for not being there, doing what you have to support those who are warmongers?

You`re ignorant. Canada is stretched to the limit in Afghanistan having about 64,000 regulars. Canada does not even possess heavy lift aircraft to move antiquated Leopard armour. There is little reason to debate an angry leftist when they are not in possession of the facts. You bring nothing but hyperbole, you`re wound up so tight you couldn`t shit a BB right now.

Want to debate the facts of Iraq? I`ll pound you into sand particles


Again, why are you here on this board.

To expose the left and have a ball doing it. You`ve got nothing, NOTHING but Big Lies that are easily exposed. Intellectual wiffenpoofs the likes of you amuse me. The only way you can win in the arena of ideas on this board is to ban anyone who disagrees with you, because you will be embarrassed, over and over. So get used to it. 8)

[chefmike]

For everyone that reads these posts, it must be made clear that WhiteMaleCandada is truly without a point....and those who tolerate his foolishness must see this as time goes forward.

WhiteMale could not respond to the issue of John Howard not "putting up" sufficient troops to make his so-called support of the Iraq war, instead he relies on moving to what i call "shiny keys" (diverting the point to something not relevant to the issue but instead becomes a direct attack on the person being discussed......

I will address this diversion but only for a short moment. I am glad he corrected a statement he should have probably worded correctly. Most people know what he was trying to say and only the dummies like yourself that lean far right will try to paint him as some troop hating malcontent. However, the President cannot apologize or "coirrect" for the deaths of 3000 soliders and 100000+ iraq citizens by his lies and deceit. The right cannot defend, hide or obfuscate the truth that has been revealed about every lie or ginned up "facts". That point renders anything you have tried to say as impotent and moot. Being mentally impotent helps you in this area quite well. The military families have much to be frustrated about but its not Obama, but "the Decider" who will face the wrath of those who are trying to live witht he fact that their son or daughter did NOT die for anything noble. We are living in the sequel of the Fog of War as Westmoreland wrote about. However, you and "the Decider" did not learn anything from the mistakes of LBJ or others that kept the vietnam war alive. LBJ finally learned what he did was wrong. GWB is too stupid or too stubborn to learn from his mistakes. YOu as a lemming will do anything that the right says...no matter how stupid it is.....except actually go to war to support your questionable beliefs. you like howard are a pussy and everyone here can see it clearly.

Calling me angry because your arguments have no juice is another "shiny key" and identifying its shallow purpose is all I have to do put it aside.

Your comment about joining some "effort" to abort babies is really out there in wingnut land. No reasonable person can even give any mental cycles to your comment.....it too is a weak, impotent response to the fact that you are not more than another weak, wimpy dickless armchair keyboarder that has not the guts to stand for what you believe in.

Yes, Canada is in Afganistan - but Canada wisely declines to participate in Iraq. What is your reason for not being there, doing what you have to support those who are warmongers? Personally, until we can show any progress, we should not let one more solider die for this BS "cause".

You troll, are certainly welcome to join the cannon fodder team. When an IED blows you up, we will not remember you or or honor you, we will just know that you stuck yourself out there more BS. Oh but wait, the idea of that probably made you pee your panties.....so I won't hold my breath there.

People like you are the problem => Too dumb to really look into the issues of the war. It too much to take the time to see whats really going on when you can just sit there in your soiled underwear, eating chips, and playing with your dinky while you dream of being like your pretend hero, Jack Bauer.

Again, why are you here on this board. Why don't you go somewhere where right wingers will make you feel like a king....of the other dummies.

[ps911fan]

Ausralia barely has 70,000 in their armed forces nitwit. Do you expect them to match the numbers in Iraq of the USA. Iraq is Australia`s largest deployment.

Here's the real point. Bush has drained the US of just about all of our standing military and is keeping them bogged down in Iraq where we are not able to move properly on really any other threat, yet he is ready to gin up another skirmish with Iran, a REAL ACTUAL threat that Iraq was not.

YOur comments are like shooting poor fish in a barrel....its really too easy to slap you around but ok, lets do it again and hope the people here won't accuse me of being inhumane....

If numbers were the issue, of those 70K you claim, could not Mr. Warmonger Howard certainly put up more. When you have the irrational beliefs you have displayed here, why try to use numbers as some logical explanation.....when you got muslims to kill....if Howard was as committed as he claims, he would be just like Bush and burn through their lives. Instead, he puts up a smattering of troops and got called on his deceit. You don't get it ....he could send more even if your numbers are right. Bush sent everyone and is sending any and every reserve person he can get. If howard is so sure of what he believes in, why is he not committing his military with the same crazy "resolve" as "the Decider".
Empty words are exactly what they are in this case......Obama wins and you don't like it, pussy boy or whatever you are..

Your NYTimes comment assumes that one should go by each and everyword the paper uses. I have no idea what you mean. If you are talking about Maureen Dowd, well I don't think editorials will destroy anyones "black hope". Funny, I don't recall my saying that Obama was someone I supported or not. See, your inner racist comes out as a possible reason as to why the right hates Obama so much.....was that a Freudian slip....wait a minute, as a conservative, you can't be smart enough to have a Freudian slip.....so im not sure what happened there...
As a liberal who seeks the facts, I am not like conservatives who are locked into a monolithic group think .....all Liberals don't wait for the NY Times to tell us what is true or not, nor the Post. Neither paper is doing a good job all the time. None do. One has to find the facts on their own these days. Conservatives like yourself are fine letting someone oh say a Rush or Hannity or any other FoxNoise host the "facts" or "talking points" you bleat out.

Demonstrated by the "Dems and liberals had the same facts ad Bush".
Well its ok to be wrong, some on the left have said we didn't have the right info on Saddam, some didn't. The truth is is that they did not create facts as "Decider-boy's" administration did. Other administrations did not go out of their way to create an office of special plans and hire a Doug Feith to muddy the water or have the imposing Dick Cheney browbeat analysts to twist the intelligence to what he wanted. No my little idiot, every one cannot be righ on what they said or believed. It does not excuse the actions of this administration no matter how you want to obfuscate the truth of what these people did to lie (not mislead) the war.

No nukes, no WMD, no strategy, no plan for insurgency, no plan for resoncstruction, just keep sending more troops in to die. This is not leader ship, its just bad management. We have a C-i-C who is unable to deal with his mistakes. The military, ever reliable, has suffered greatly and is not at the breaking point.....but Dubya could care less.....and neither do you or John Howard.......the 3 pussies....that you are!

This is Bush's war, his failure, and nothing will change that except the efforts going on to change the course. Since Dubya wont do the right thing and resign, we must move to constrain him from pushing this nation over the brink we are teetering on.

Since you are allegedly not a US citizen, obviously this is of little value to you either way, which makes your curious stance even more dubious. You mention Canada's participaiton in Afganistan....that was the right place for all this effort to be....not Iraq. I supported all efforts up until the Iraq debacle......neither country is doing well under the leader ship of the "Decider". ... of course the US now tortures, lost its places as the true leader of the free world, alienated each and every nation, united the Shia cresent, destroyed any hope for a decent peace in the middle east, and made sure N. Korea actually got the bomb......thats a record of success?

hardly....and yet here you are posting how proud you are of your lack of understanding about the impact of failure in this administration. You truly are devoid of any good sense.....please do us the dignity of choking on a cheese doodle while watching some conservative fantasy show or movie.

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Here's the real point. Bush has drained the US of just about all of our standing military and is keeping them bogged down in Iraq where we are not able to move properly on really any other threat, yet he is ready to gin up another skirmish with Iran, a REAL ACTUAL threat that Iraq was not.

Iraq was a real threat and Clinton thought so. To the left the only REAL THREAT is the USA itself.

Bill Clinton signed the Iraq Liberation Act. Clinton`s 1998 retaliatory strikes against a Sudanese pharmaceutical factory were justified because Clinton came to the decision that the factory was a chemical weapons hub tied to Iraq and bin Laden according to the 9/11 report.

Top Clinton administration counterterrorism official Richard Clarke’s assertions, based on intelligence reports in 1999, that Saddam had offered bin Laden asylum after the embassy bombings.

Terror master Abu Musab Zarqawi's choice to "boogie to Baghdad" of all places when he needed surgery after fighting American forces in Afghanistan in 2001.

Saddam’s ten years of harboring of 1993 World Trade Center bomber Abdul Rahman Yasin.

Clinton Justice Department's allegation in a 1998 indictment against bin Laden, to wit: In addition, al Qaeda reached an understanding with the government of Iraq that al Qaeda would not work against that government and that on particular projects, specifically including weapons development, al Qaeda would work cooperatively with the Government of Iraq.



If numbers were the issue, of those 70K you claim

Not a claim, fact as far I know of at this moment. 70,000 does not mean front line combat troops. Its the total, including clerical, janitors, mechanics etc, etc.


..."black hope". Funny, I don't recall my saying that Obama was someone I supported or not. See, your inner racist comes out as a possible reason as to why the right hates Obama so much.....was that a Freudian slip....

Play on words sport. You`re so out of touch you`ve never heard the phrase, ' great white hope'.


The truth is is that they did not create facts as "Decider-boy's" administration did. Other administrations did not go out of their way to create an office of special plans and hire a Doug Feith to muddy the water or have the imposing Dick Cheney browbeat analysts to twist the intelligence to what he wanted.

You`ve just been busted as yet another left-wing BS Big Lie artist. And in your rage of haste you failed to look down and see the post on that subject:

http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=15333

Big set-up by Levin and his fellow travellers at WaPo. The "journalists" at the Washington Post took Levin at his word,lock, stock and barrell. Did they even read the report? Obviously not since WaPo had to print a correction. Biased dominant media regurgitating Democrat Levin`s lies.
The big scoop was that the Pentagon itself had concluded that Feith floated bogus intel on the links between Iraq and AQ and suggested that he’d done so at Bush/Cheney’s behest. Except the Pentagon didn’t conclude that. Radical leftist Democrat Carl Levin did. Busted!
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Correction to This Article

A Feb. 9 front-page article about the Pentagon inspector general's report regarding the office of former undersecretary of defense Douglas J. Feith incorrectly attributed quotations to that report. References to Feith's office producing "reporting of dubious quality or reliability" and that the office "was predisposed to finding a significant relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda" were from a report issued by Sen. Carl Levin(D-Mich.) in Oct. 2004.

Similarly, the quotes stating that Feith's office drew on "both reliable and unreliable reporting" to produce a link between al-Qaeda and Iraq "that was much stronger than that assessed by the IC [Intelligence Community] and more in accord with the policy views of senior officials in the Administration" were also from Levin's report.
The article also stated that the intelligence provided by Feith's office supported the political views of senior administration officials, a conclusion that the inspector general's report did not draw.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/08/AR2007020802387.html

The Defense Department did not take the IG’s diagnosis lying down. As the NYTimes notes:

"The Pentagon’s rebuttal vehemently rejected the report’s contention that there was “inappropriate” use of intelligence by Pentagon civilians and said the effort to identify links between Saddam Hussein’s government and Al Qaeda was done at the direction of Mr. Wolfowitz, who was deputy defense secretary at the time. Describing the work as a “fresh, critical look” at intelligence agency conclusions about Al Qaeda and Iraq, the Pentagon rebuttal said, “It is somewhat difficult to understand how activities that admittedly were lawful and authorized (in this case by either the secretary of defense or the deputy secretary of defense) could nevertheless be characterized as ‘inappropriate.’”



No nukes, no WMD, no strategy, no plan for insurgency, no plan for resoncstruction,

Your ignorance is on full display now, you`re naked. Over 500 tons of yellowcake, over 700 Sarin and mustard shells, a massive reconstruction of the 1950`s style electrical grid, over 2 billion on water supply and plants, transportation infrastructure, hospitals, schools, etc.


This is Bush's war, his failure, and nothing will change that except the efforts going on to change the course. Since Dubya wont do the right thing and resign, we must move to constrain him from pushing this nation over the brink we are teetering on.

Best read your Constitution sport. Congress only has the purse strings. Article II Section II : The President shall be commander in chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the militia of the several states, when called into the actual service of the United States...

After you`re done reading that for the first time , read this for the first time junior: H. J. RES. 114


of course the US now tortures, lost its places as the true leader of the free world, alienated each and every nation, united the Shia cresent, destroyed any hope for a decent peace in the middle east, and made sure N. Korea actually got the bomb

-Cinton gave N. Korea nukes under the Agreed Framework. The spent fuel could be refined to create nuclear weapons and everyone knows the N. koreans did not stop their research.

Define "decent peace". You`re speaking in vague generalities much like the `Rats in Congress.

United under the Shia crescent ? Sheesh, does the Battle of Tours mean anything to you or are you that ignorant. Islam has always been at war with infidels nitwit.

I think you are that stupid and it is my opinion you best cease being embarrassed with your ill-thought, ill-mannered replies.