Share your dark secrets.

[loki]

How many people here have done a complete turnaround in your philosophy or ideals?Are you ashamed or embarrassed by how you used to think?I think people should be proud of the fact that they have grown as a person.You tell me yours and i'll tell you mine.

[White_Male_Canada]

At the age of 18. That`s when I learned. I witnessed the same people,saying the same things over and over only to find out later they were horribly wrong. From economics, law, religion, enviromentalism and politics, given time the dominant views and opnions turned out to be false.

From that day forward I took a skeptics view until I could properly examine all the facts.

Then I found this Forum and decided to piss off all the lemmings. One of many left-wing boards I like to enter.

[loki]

Fair enough.I said i would share one of mine so here it is.I used to be a neocon (good ol southern boy).Then i realized i was was the one who was acting and behaving like an idiot.And that my beliefs where based on false assumptions and paranoia.I realized that my opinion was not always right .I had to drop a lot of friends who could not understand all this.It is a chapter in my life full of stupidity.

[guyone]

BE A GOOD LITTLE BOLSHEVIK! I SEE YOU LIKE FOLLOWING ORDERS

[LG]

Then I found this Forum and decided to piss off all the lemmings. One of many left-wing boards I like to enter.

Wouldn't that make you- let me guess- a troll?

So this is just one of the MANY boards you like to enter? And you've posted 1000+ messages (most of them inane, may I add) in just 10 months or more than 3 messages a day? Where do you find the time?

Should I assume you post many more messages on other boards? Do you not have a job?


Anyway, my not so dark secret is that I used to be right of centre until I went to University and people like WMC started pissing me off. There were some left wing zealots who also pissed me off, of course, but they weren't as bad.

I am now liberal but independent. I vote for the people whose views I agree with. More often than not these people tend to be liberals too. I think the writings of John Stuart Mill are closest to my beliefs. But I'm still reading up on his ideas.

For a summary go here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Liberty

I have also read some of the works of both Marx and Adam Smith. And by the way, I enjoy the books and columns of both Al Franken and PJ O Rourke (but not those of Ann Coulter) because they both make me laugh (Ann Coulter makes me want to stab people).

Anyway, not a very dark secret, but there you go.

[specialk]

At the age of 18. That`s when I learned. I witnessed the same people,saying the same things over and over only to find out later they were horribly wrong. From economics, law, religion, enviromentalism and politics, given time the dominant views and opnions turned out to be false.

From that day forward I took a skeptics view until I could properly examine all the facts.

Then I found this Forum and decided to piss off all the lemmings. One of many left-wing boards I like to enter.

so now your a white_pinhead_canada and at the age of 20 your a fuckin genius :P

[guyone]

I don't have any deep dark secrets.

[White_Male_Canada]

Fair enough.I said i would share one of mine so here it is.I used to be a neocon (good ol southern boy).Then i realized i was was the one who was acting and behaving like an idiot.And that my beliefs where based on false assumptions and paranoia.I realized that my opinion was not always right .I had to drop a lot of friends who could not understand all this.It is a chapter in my life full of stupidity.

A "Neo-Con" is someone who was a leftists and became a Conservative. I think they use the phrase, " I was mugged by reality."

So you`re saying you were a leftist, became a Neo-Con, then changed your mind again ?

[White_Male_Canada]

Like I was saying elsewhere LG, WMC really is a SERIOUS SADO. 1000+ posts in 10.5 months, most of them very long-winded drivel, points to a very large investment of time to spend amongst people he probably finds very disagreeable. It's most likely down to one or more of the following: his age, lack of head hair, lack of sex, lack of a job, or being a kook on the fringe of his science. I reckon it all started at the age of 18, like he said it did, when his hair started to fall out. That was probably in the 1960's, when loads of hairy hippies were going about proclaiming peace and love to one and all. This must have come as quite a shock to young Timmy, and he became bitter and twisted about life in general, hence the Captain Bringdown WMC we see today. Like I said WMC, get a life before you kick the bucket!

Mrs. Nowack,

If you`re going to stalk me best load up on your Astronaut diapers,

duct tape, rubber hoses, saran wrap, etc. It`s a long drive from there

to here.

Sincerely,

Your Astro Pimp 8)

[guyone]

You seem to be quite agitated.

[White_Male_Canada]

You seem to be quite agitated.

This one`s come undone.


As a scientist myself - who’s worked damned hard for the qualifications he has and who does not go about claiming to have more qualifications than he does have (allegedly)

False, never claimed any such thing.

Would have given ILCB the benefit of the doubt but when I mentioned atmosphere temperatures have come down since about 1995 and was seemingly corrected. But, ILCB did not know that stratospheric averages have gone down since about 1995. I corrected ILCB`s troposhperic measurements to account for heat sinks and measurement stations.
All this was lost on ILCB so can we therefore conclude, as a scientist, ILCB is negligent or not in full possession of all the facts.

Buy hey, don`t get your diapers in a bunch just because we think and leftists merely regurgitate their GiGo.

[LG]

guyone told I_love_Cristina_Bianchini:


You seem to be quite agitated.

Actually, he's quite right to be. Me, I'm learning my lesson, trying not to get annoyed by WMC. This sign below is helping. It gives a good piece of advice.

8)

[guyone]

Now you're tetchy.

[trish]

i used to think the cosmic expansion was decelerating, now it looks like i was wrong :oops: but i take solace in the knowledge that at least the universe isn't collapsing, even though White-Male-Canada's head is.

[guyone]

Why do debates have to devolve into personal attacks? Isn't a free exchange of ideas the building blocks of democracies? What does the debate gain from name calling?

I'm just saying...


Can't we all just get along?

[White_Male_Canada]

Why do debates have to devolve into personal attacks? Isn't a free exchange of ideas the building blocks of democracies? What does the debate gain from name calling?


Without exception when a Forum allows a free debate the radical laeft always devolve into their now patented response, " Well, uh, you`re just a fascist nazi biggoted racist...."
Why? They run out of rational answers or responses. Thier ideas are based on the politics of hate, envy, collectivism. All the old ideas that have failed every time.

It is a mistake to think liberals first believe what they do and then think conservatives are stupid for disagreeing. The process works in reverse. Their disdain for ordinary people with traditional values is so overwhelming that whatever such people believe is by definition backward. They form their views by listening to the ignoramuses and then positing the opposite. Views forged in the crucible of a God-centered consciousness are inherently illegitimate.

It is more than a strategy to call their opponents stupid. It is not just a way to cover up the weakness of their arguments. Identifying the other side as obtuse is itself the sine qua non of their worldview. Individual applications of that premise are an auxiliary phenomenon. If I assume your point must be wrong because I know you to be a Neanderthal, a good dialogue will never evolve.

[guyone]

Well said.

[trish]

i didn't call anyone any names. i made no reference to politics. i didn't compare anyone to a nazi or a fascist. i merely made the ironic observation that your head's collapsing.

[LG]

WMC:

At no time did I, for one, refer to you as a fascist or a Nazi. You, on the other hand, accused me and many others of being a marxist, stalinist, communist, leftist and a whole bunch of other things.

I will not call you names. I will only point out one truth. You are a hypocrite, and a deluded one at that. You accuse everyone you disagree with of subscribing to some subversive communist agenda, as if we are not entitled to have a point of view. You seem to think that all the points you make are true and all the sources you quote are gospel whereas our sources are merely marxist propaganda.

You are incapable of arguing properly because you seem to think you can dismiss an argument by claiming tha the person saying it is a Neanderthal.

Why you have entered these forums I didn't know, until you made it clear to us. You are not here to talk about transexuality or to share ideas or experiences but merely to piss the rest of us off. That makes you a trouble maker and (you can look ithis one up) a forum troll.

I will waste no more time with you and your inane drivel.

Like I said:

http://www.hungangels.com/board/files/sign_150.jpg

[White_Male_Canada]

At no time did I, for one, refer to you as a fascist or a Nazi. You, on the other hand, accused me and many others of being a marxist, stalinist, communist, leftist and a whole bunch of other things.


A person who demanded strict adherance to the party and not to truth can be categorized as a Stalinist. You`ve argued in favor of silencing any science that refutes man-made CO2 causes the majority of warming:


it is not very unreasonable. A member of a party who did not tow the party line one a major issue (such as one that vocally opposed his party's presidential candidate a week before election day) would not be popular with the people at the top and could well be told to shut up or ship out. A company employee who went around claiming the competition were better would be fired.

[LG]

Here we go again...I really must stop paying attention to such drivel...

WMC,

That's idiotic. Read my quote again and look at the context. The quote refers to people who belong to scientific bodies and yet question the very scientific facts that underpin such bodies.

I did not say dissenters should be silenced. I was arguing that someone who vocally disagres with one of the most important pillars that an organisation is founded upon undermines that organisation. This is not "silencing science" they you fool. And what do you know about science.

I was, in fact, commenting on a piece of text you had posted, written by an unknown scientist with a bad case of paranoia, it seems, and I said that it is not unreasonable to suggest that people who do not subscribe to some of the most basic beliefs of an organisation (including a party or a company) have no business representing that organisation. I did not actually argue that he should have been fired, but was merely wondering what he was expecting to achieve.

If you were a company boss (or if you are one) would you like your employees to go around saying your products or services are shit (or that you are shit)? If you were the leader of the republican party, for example, would you want someone going out and organising a smear campaign against your candidate on election day?

It is not about strict adherance to the party. And please note I said: "a major issue". Climate change is a major issue. It is a world-changing issue. It is above politics.

As for "truth", you wouldn't know it if it hit you in the face with frying pan. You've hardly managed to say one word of truth in all your posts.

I have great respect for good honest science. But very little of the science you quote is either good or honest.

Anyway, your failure to understand my point and your unsuccessful attempt to twist my words and make me appear a "Stalinist" is laughable. As ILCB has noted, to be a Stalinist one also has to belong to a party that adheres to at least some of Stalin's ideals or to promote at least some of his beliefs. I do neither. I do not belong to any party and as I have noted I am a liberal at heart but an independent when it comes to party politics (see my link to John Stuart Mill's On Liberty to see what I believe- you can also see my position on the political compass which shows that my views on economics are just as liberal as my views on social issues, which hardly suggest I might be a communist or Marxist).

But you proved my point anyway. All you ever do is call people names. I have avoided it, but you have kept on doing it. Pathetic, really. But then again, from you I expect nothing less than that.

Why don't you crawl back to wherever it is you came from?

[guyone]

Hey there LG.

[LG]

Hey there LG.

Hey guyone,

I'm just having another argument with your buddy WMC. He seems intent on giving all you conservatives a bad name.

He's kind of annoying. Tiresome too.

Anway...

WMC:

At no time did I, for one, refer to you as a fascist or a Nazi. You, on the other hand, accused me and many others of being a marxist, stalinist, communist, leftist and a whole bunch of other things.

Dude, seriously. Nowadays, especially with the flood of eastern euro's openly referring to themselves as SOCIALISTS, calling someone a marxist et. al is a far, FAR cry from calling someone a Nazi.


I will not call you names. I will only point out one truth. You are a hypocrite

You won't call him names. But you'll call him a hypocrite. :lol:


and a deluded one at that.

And you'll call him deluded, too. :lol:


You accuse everyone you disagree with of subscribing to some subversive communist agenda, as if we are not entitled to have a point of view.

I disagree with WMC on tons of shit, especially with regard to immigration policy. He hasn't call me anything.


You seem to think that all the points you make are true and all the sources you quote are gospel whereas our sources are merely marxist propaganda.

You are incapable of arguing properly because you seem to think you can dismiss an argument by claiming tha the person saying it is a Neanderthal.

I disagree. WMC's responses are always more than "You're a neanderthal". They're usually more than 30 lines long, in fact. Run a quick search and find out for yourself.


Sorry WMC. Had to respond.

[LG]

Interesting post, TFan.

TFan wrote

Dude, seriously. Nowadays, especially with the flood of eastern euro's openly referring to themselves as SOCIALISTS, calling someone a marxist et. al is a far, FAR cry from calling someone a Nazi.

But I never called him a Nazi, and you can check my posts. He, on the other hand, has repeatedly called me a Stalinist. I don't think it's nice to refer to people as Stalinists, but he does this anyway because he has no proper arguments to make.



I will not call you names. I will only point out one truth. You are a hypocrite
You won't call him names. But you'll call him a hypocrite

You got me on that one!

But I think it's pretty clear from the posts that he is one. I don't think I'd qualify it as name-calling but as a statement of fact, but let me rephrase: It is my personal opinion that if WMC is not a hypocrite, he sure gives a good impression of being one. The reason I believe this is because he has repeatedly called everyone he disagrees with a leftist, Stalinist, Marxist or communist, but is complaining that he has been labelled a Nazi (which is something none of us has called him).

Also, WMC deems all the information that disagrees with his belief as propaganda, saying that this channel or that newspaper is a "trojan horse" for communism, but occasionally quotes from the same sources to make his point if the information they provide suits him. This, one could say, is also hypocritical.

I also think he is a hypocrite becuase he has been so long on these forums and has not posted, as far as I can remember, on any other issue apart from politics. These forums are not a place merely to discuss politics. As you know, the main reason we are all here is to talk about and with tgirls. I suspect that WMC is merely here to stir up trouble and that he has no interest in tgirls, which means that he is a hypocrite to even be here.

As I said, in calling WMC a hypocrite I have merely pointed out the truth. Having been called every political insult under the sun by him (and you can reread some of his replies to me if you don't believe me) and having to put up with his often tedious posts (and you know how tiresome they are) and his baiting (WMC has posted replies in every topic and created probably more new subjects than anyone else, often posting skewed arguments found in rightwing journals in a calculated attempt to elicit angry responses and stir up trouble), I think I am entitled to blow my cool once in a while and point out a few simple truths.



You accuse everyone you disagree with of subscribing to some subversive communist agenda, as if we are not entitled to have a point of view.
I disagree with WMC on tons of shit, especially with regard to immigration policy. He hasn't call me anything.

He hasn't called you anything becuase you've never disagreed vocally on these forums and then gone on to prove him wrong (successfully, I believe). I'd like to see you post a reply that debunks the myths he puts forward in of his posts. I'd be interested to see how he reacts.

Of course you will know that he has accused me of subcribing to a communist agenda, which is laughable, since I have never voted for a communist candidate in my country, but consistently vote for the one I feel is best for the job (usually I vote left of centre but have even supported a rightwinger in local elections becuase I felt she was the one who could do the most for my town- she lost, though). Though a liberal at heart, I think that some issues (such as the environment, local government and healthcare) should be above politics. Politics has no business rearing its ugly head in healthcare or education, nor should party politics govern all the decisions which affect us all.

Anyway, that's my rant for now. If I keep going I fear I may become as tedious as WMC is.

[guyone]

LG

I find that most of the posts regarding transsexuals are misogynistic in nature. They all deal with treating transgendered individuals as objects rather than people. Sharing experiences and seeking advice is one thing but dwelling on the physical characteristics of an individual is quite shallow.

Besides this is a board where most of the people are politically on the left. So where else would us right wing 'sharks' come to feed?

[White_Male_Canada]

LG

I find that most of the posts regarding transsexuals are misogynistic in nature. They all deal with treating transgendered individuals as objects rather than people. Sharing experiences and seeking advice is one thing but dwelling on the physical characteristics of an individual is quite shallow.

Besides this is a board where most of the people are politically on the left. So where else would us right wing 'sharks' come to feed?

I came here to gorge on big fat prawns and so far all I`ve had,

are shrimps 8)

As for all the complaints, what can one say. Calling me a NAZI is idiotic because I`m not a socialist.

[LG]

I came here to gorge on big fat prawns and so far all I`ve had,

are shrimps

Good. I hope they give you indigestion. They already seem to have given you plenty of gas anyway, seeing as you're full of hot air and tend to talk out of your ass.

Hey...it was a stupid analogy to begin with.


As for all the complaints, what can one say. Calling me a NAZI is idiotic because I`m not a socialist.

No one ever called you a Nazi. Are you paranoid or just mental?

And let's not get back to the old chestnut of Hitler being a left winger. We've been through it and I've smashed your pitiful little argument to smithereens.


And take those sunglasses off, mate. They don't suit you.

8)

[White_Male_Canada]

No one ever called you a Nazi. Are you paranoid or just mental?

And let's not get back to the old chestnut of Hitler being a left winger. We've been through it and I've smashed your pitiful little argument to smithereens.

You never will contradict the very words and writings of Hitler, Mussolini, Goering, Goebbels, etc.

You`re just angry because you bring a pointy stick to a gun fight. It`s frustration talking. 8)

[trish]

No one ever called you a Nazi. Are you paranoid or just mental?

And let's not get back to the old chestnut of Hitler being a left winger. We've been through it and I've smashed your pitiful little argument to smithereens.

You never will contradict the very words and writings of Hitler, Mussolini, Goering, Goebbels, etc.

You`re just angry because you bring a pointy stick to a gun fight. It`s frustration talking. 8)

[White_Male_Canada]

No one ever called you a Nazi. Are you paranoid or just mental?

And let's not get back to the old chestnut of Hitler being a left winger. We've been through it and I've smashed your pitiful little argument to smithereens.

You never will contradict the very words and writings of Hitler, Mussolini, Goering, Goebbels, etc.

You`re just angry because you bring a pointy stick to a gun fight. It`s frustration talking. 8)

..

[trish]

:)