Why I care about phonies: By Vicki Richter

[Vicki Richter]

Some of you see this nonsense with Kelly and wonder, why the fuck does Vicki even care? Well, the way I see it, there is a life commitment that goes into being a TS. It is a challenging series of steps we go through to achieve the ultimate in femininity. There is surgery. There are hormones. There are things like laser treatments. There are the social aspects of changing our friends, notifying our families.

When I see someone using clearly fake photos, it really gets under my skin. While other TS can overlook it as just someone being a moron, I, personally take personal afront to it.

I mean seriously, this stuff can ruin lives. It can totally break people away from their families, friends, and other loved ones. It can incite people to kill you because they don't understand. Make no mistake, it is a BIG deal to change your gender.

When I see someone like Kelly Shore coming in here with fake photos, despite being some form of transgender herself, to me it makes no sense. She is not a Venus model. She is not a lingerie model. She is a web cam girl for iFriends. She's attractive, but she isn't some Austrailian model who's pictures she stole.

Do you guys care? Probably not. It's OK, it shows chivalry is not dead. However, it also undermines what true transsexuals have gone through to achieve realness. Real beauty. Realy femininity. It isn't about some fake photoshop smeared webcam photo. It is about walking up to the girl in a public setting and feeling totally comfortable doing so.

Being a TS to me isn't about smoke and mirrors and what I can hide on the Internet with cheap photography editting tricks. That is why I have shot nearly 40 movies. That is why I feel comfortable if I meet any of my fans they will not be let down. You will say, "she's prettier in person". I'm not a cheap Internet knock off who pretends to be through lame doctored photography. I give a promise to my fans and the fans of the genre. When/if Shemaleyum hosts their anniversary party, I will be there and you will not be let down.

But, if you choose to believe that photos with the entire face smeared are reality, that is OK. Hopefully you won't get let down someday.

I commend the real girls like Allanah who put themselves out there week after week at parties for you guys to show you that the fantasy is reality. That's hot.

Vicki

[arc angel]

:claps

[ballzNnutz]

is there a cliff note version?

[hondarobot]

She's being silly. Any other guy will get hurt if they pursue her. I will hurt them.

I'm just kidding. But go ahead and try it.

Seriously, she never has anything to worry about. Ever.

[Vicki Richter]

is there a cliff note version?

I suck cock and look good doing it... even in person. I have a hard girl penis, and you want to suck it until stuff comes out of it. The end.

[Fox]

Just be thankful it wasn't the dreaded wall of text you see so often. Though I remained pretty neutral, I agree with both of Vicki's posts.

[hondarobot]

I suck cock and look good doing it... even in person. I have a hard girl penis, and you want to suck it until stuff comes out of it. The end.

Goofy, you are really just being silly tonight, and you know it.

[hondarobot]

I suck cock and look good doing it... even in person. I have a hard girl penis, and you want to suck it until stuff comes out of it. The end.

Goofy, you are really just being silly tonight, and you know it.

You know what? I want to be in bed kissing you again. That's what I want. Fuck your damn penis. Fuck you, you don't get it.

[Fox]

Um... >_>

I thought she was responding to ballzNnutz (correct me if I'm wrong).

[hondarobot]

Quit bitching about it. Get a vagina.

You know what to do. Why is this so complicated?

[ballzNnutz]

I suck cock and look good doing it... even in person. I have a hard girl penis, and you want to suck it until stuff comes out of it. The end.

thank you i agree with the summary aside from me wanting to suck cock. :?

[hondarobot]

I suck cock and look good doing it... even in person. I have a hard girl penis, and you want to suck it until stuff comes out of it. The end.

This comment really tells the whole story.

That was stupid.

Best of luck to ya.

[Kabuki]

I suck cock and look good doing it... even in person. I have a hard girl penis, and you want to suck it until stuff comes out of it. The end.

Goofy, you are really just being silly tonight, and you know it.

You know what? I want to be in bed kissing you again. That's what I want. Fuck your damn penis. Fuck you, you don't get it.

I'm just curious to know why you just can't move on Honda. There's other Vickis in the world. It seems like she has made her feelings clear about the subject. I know I would've moved on by now.

[GroobySteven]

I suck cock and look good doing it... even in person. I have a hard girl penis, and you want to suck it until stuff comes out of it. The end.

Goofy, you are really just being silly tonight, and you know it.

You know what? I want to be in bed kissing you again. That's what I want. Fuck your damn penis. Fuck you, you don't get it.

I'm just curious to know why you just can't move on Honda. There's other Vickis in the world. It seems like she has made her feelings clear about the subject. I know I would've moved on by now.

Man, if Honda didn't want to show us how fucked up he was previously - he's shown it now with that series of posts.
Just downright weird.
You should write all your posts in draft and look again in the cold light of day, HR.
seanchai

[Mylon]

Oh quit your bitching. Everything you criticize her about can be applied to yourself. You talk about all of the persecution and stuff you have to endure and what do you do? You try and persecute someone else. Here you go and whine about someone pretending to be a TS, but what about men and women that whine about you pretending to be a woman? We all are different. Learn to respect that.

[suckseed]

That silence means Vicki's really digging it. She just can't figure out how exactly she can let him know he should pop the question. if only there was some kind of way to send a message...or transfer voices across great distances....or perhaps type something he might somehow read...
Forget it...that's crazy talk I know.

[wombat33]

is there a cliff note version?


LOL!!!!!!! Tooo funny

[Teabagger Vance]

I'm just curious to know why you just can't move on Honda. There's other Vickis in the world. It seems like she has made her feelings clear about the subject. I know I would've moved on by now.

Ah, but he has moved on! I know, because he has said so in numerous posts. And I believe him!

[Teabagger Vance]

Oh quit your bitching. Everything you criticize her about can be applied to yourself.

O Rly? Everything? Has Vicki ever posted pictures of other people and claimed that they were her? Where is your proof, sir?



You talk about all of the persecution and stuff you have to endure and what do you do? You try and persecute someone else.

Pointing out that someone is using someone else's photos is persecution? We've really lowered the bar for persecution.



Here you go and whine about someone pretending to be a TS, but what about men and women that whine about you pretending to be a woman?

First, I don't recall that Vicki ever "whined" about Kelly pretending to be a TS. Her entire point is that Kelly has been using someone else's photos and then claiming that they were pictures of her. You don't see that as a problem?

Secondly, comparing photo fakery to transsexualism itself is not remotely appropriate.


We all are different. Learn to respect that.

How quaint. We're supposed to respect fakers? I don't think so.

[Vicki Richter]

Um... >_>

I thought she was responding to ballzNnutz (correct me if I'm wrong).

I was... Honda stop thinking I am posting to you when I am posting about everything but you. This has absolutely nothing to do with Hondarobot.

[hondarobot]

Fair enough. I will stop thinking you are posting about me. Done.

[trish]

Vicki intimates that if a person hasn’t the courage to make all the commitments; i.e. therapies, treatments, surgeries, informing friends, family and employers, then one isn’t a TS. Perhaps that’s true, I don’t know. Nevertheless, such a person might be physiologically male but mentally, psychologically, spiritually, essentially female. The fact that she’s unable to make the physiological transformation doesn’t particularly rile my anger. Such a person would have my sympathy. If she can enjoy a few moments of “transformation” in cyberspace, more power to her. The modern American poet and novelist Marge Piercy touched on this topic in her cyberpunk novel, He, She and It. I recommend it as a terrific read. In any case, I don’t know if any of it applies to Kelly or not. But it seemed like something that needed to voicing in this thread. I don’t wish to offend anyone and after this I’ll keep my big mouth shut.

[bulldog]

so what if people fake it, its their delusion and they are too insecure with the real them that they have to pretend to be someone else. you know what I say..........fuck em, they cannot hurt you, in fact they are only hurting themselves by digging themselves into this delusion so deep that they forget who they really are, so fuck em


Ben

[francisfkudrow]

I don't question that it is a huge ordeal to change one's gender. I've been thinking about moving 60 miles East of where I live now, and I'm all stressed about that; imagine if I was thinking about becoming a girl! My Lord, I wouldn't be able to function!

Seriously though, I have the utmost respect for what you girls have to go through; enough that I've told homophobic friends of mine that say what you will, it takes a hell of a lot of determination and courage to change your gender.

That having been said, I have 3 questions. 1) Does this practice of continually berating people for being fakes really have a place here? 2) Does it make the fakers look bad or the people calling them out? And 3) Would HA be more, or less pleasant if we just ignored the fakery, and gave people the benefit of the doubt when doubt exists?

As for the first question, my answer of course is "no", it doesn't have a place, but of course I'm a relative newbie so I don't have the right to make that opinion law; all I can do is voice my opinion. But as a newbie, I have a more objective viewpoint in relation to the second question; "Does it make the fakers look bad or the people calling them out?" I know after the Kelly/Irish Rose debacle, I came away with a severly diminished opinion of Arianna. Maybe she's a nice person in real life; I don't know. But that kind of meanness and anger doesn't make a good impression. Meanwhile, Kelly/Irish Rose came across (for those of us who are new to the culture here) as the hapless victim.

Finally I think its obvious that it would be more pleasant here if we just ignored the fakery and gave each other the benefit of the doubt. As an allegory, I think late night informercials are full of fraud and deception. Do I rant and rave all day about those informercials and call my Congressman to have them outlawed, or do I just change the channel when one comes on?

Anyway, that's my 2 cents. (Maybe 3).

[houstonshemalefan]

is there a cliff note version?

I suck cock and look good doing it... even in person. I have a hard girl penis, and you want to suck it until stuff comes out of it. The end.

Perfectly stated!!! ;)

[hwbs]

:popcorn :popcorn :popcorn

[Dkg]

Or in other words....

Vicki >> Kelly

You hear that guys?

Good, And don't you forget it.

[MrsKellyPierce]

First off I went to high school openly known as a transexual and managed to lead a pretty productive and normal high school life becoming a cheerleader and homecoming queen which is an accomplishment not just for me but for all of us and yes I had media and talkshows begging to interview me, but I refused out of just wanting to lead a normal life that was my point in being who I was. How normal would I of come off if I had a camera pointing in my face documenting my every move if I would of chosen to done so I would of been quote unquote viewed as "attention whore" to the town, friends, and other people, I lived in a town of 2500 people that had no clues on gays much less transexuals, so don't tell me or theate or try to educate me on persecution I LIVED IT. Everyday was a struggle for me to educate people and to get them to view me as just a normal girl which I accomplished. Anyone can do porn anyone there are tons of girls out there doing it and sucking cock so don't think yourself special I didn't even know who you were till I came to this board I have heard of Gia of Course, Allanah Surely, and Vanity who you make small remarks to every chance you get yeah I've heard of her and I DON'T EVEN WATCH TRANSEXUAL PORN darling we are all on the same playing field Straights Lesbians Gays Bisexuals Transgenders Men Who Adore us get over the cattiness Vicki it's not becoming at all. And no I don't have an issue with her doing porn so don't even try to turn that into my words. I don't judge people never have never will I do whats right for me. Everyone knows your views Vicki if you think I'm fake and using fake pictures so be it. Good for your opinion. But I know and my real friends know they are mine, and frankly thats all that matters. Bringing such controversy is to bring yourself attention which is so childish. So move on please you stated your opinion stop running it in the ground.

[chefmike]

I suck cock and look good doing it... even in person. I have a hard girl penis, and you want to suck it until stuff comes out of it. The end.

Goofy, you are really just being silly tonight, and you know it.

You know what? I want to be in bed kissing you again. That's what I want. Fuck your damn penis. Fuck you, you don't get it.

[Vicki Richter]

First off I went to high school openly known as a transexual and managed to lead a pretty productive and normal high school life becoming a cheerleader and homecoming queen which is an accomplishment not just for me but for all of us and yes I had media and talkshows begging to interview me, but I refused out of just wanting to lead a normal life that was my point in being who I was. How normal would I of come off if I had a camera pointing in my face documenting my every move if I would of chosen to done so I would of been quote unquote viewed as "attention whore" to the town, friends, and other people, I lived in a town of 2500 people that had no clues on gays much less transexuals, so don't tell me or theate or try to educate me on persecution I LIVED IT. Everyday was a struggle for me to educate people and to get them to view me as just a normal girl which I accomplished. Anyone can do porn anyone there are tons of girls out there doing it and sucking cock so don't think yourself special I didn't even know who you were till I came to this board I have heard of Gia of Course, Allanah Surely, and Vanity who you make small remarks to every chance you get yeah I've heard of her and I DON'T EVEN WATCH TRANSEXUAL PORN darling we are all on the same playing field Straights Lesbians Gays Bisexuals Transgenders Men Who Adore us get over the cattiness Vicki it's not becoming at all. And no I don't have an issue with her doing porn so don't even try to turn that into my words. I don't judge people never have never will I do whats right for me. Everyone knows your views Vicki if you think I'm fake and using fake pictures so be it. Good for your opinion. But I know and my real friends know they are mine, and frankly thats all that matters. Bringing such controversy is to bring yourself attention which is so childish. So move on please you stated your opinion stop running it in the ground.

Look... you do porn too. It appears we are in the same industry. You jacking off for guys on iFriends is no different than me doing on video, particularly since they archive them.

http://www.ifriends.net/joinme.htm?jennacox82

Let me get this straight... In 2005 you created a web page under the alias Jenna Coxxx, using a stolen picture of course, begging for money for surgeries. "Donate any amount to Jenna's Future Surgeries!"

http://www.freewebs.com/jennacox/

You were (are?) a web cam girl for iFriends. That is porn darling. I am simply pointing out reality that a girl who looks like this... (see photos attached) obviously wouldn't need surgery money to see Dr Alter.

Why you lie and say pictures that aren't you are, I don't understand. The fan sign photo, I acknowledge is you... I have stated it from the beginning - from my very first post. I have stated, you are a TG. I have stated that you do have some real pictures. However, these myspace photos are not you and you are legitimately making TS appear crazy by insisting they are.

Vicki

ps - I don't watch transsexual porn either

[MrsKellyPierce]

First off I went to high school openly known as a transexual and managed to lead a pretty productive and normal high school life becoming a cheerleader and homecoming queen which is an accomplishment not just for me but for all of us and yes I had media and talkshows begging to interview me, but I refused out of just wanting to lead a normal life that was my point in being who I was. How normal would I of come off if I had a camera pointing in my face documenting my every move if I would of chosen to done so I would of been quote unquote viewed as "attention whore" to the town, friends, and other people, I lived in a town of 2500 people that had no clues on gays much less transexuals, so don't tell me or theate or try to educate me on persecution I LIVED IT. Everyday was a struggle for me to educate people and to get them to view me as just a normal girl which I accomplished. Anyone can do porn anyone there are tons of girls out there doing it and sucking cock so don't think yourself special I didn't even know who you were till I came to this board I have heard of Gia of Course, Allanah Surely, and Vanity who you make small remarks to every chance you get yeah I've heard of her and I DON'T EVEN WATCH TRANSEXUAL PORN darling we are all on the same playing field Straights Lesbians Gays Bisexuals Transgenders Men Who Adore us get over the cattiness Vicki it's not becoming at all. And no I don't have an issue with her doing porn so don't even try to turn that into my words. I don't judge people never have never will I do whats right for me. Everyone knows your views Vicki if you think I'm fake and using fake pictures so be it. Good for your opinion. But I know and my real friends know they are mine, and frankly thats all that matters. Bringing such controversy is to bring yourself attention which is so childish. So move on please you stated your opinion stop running it in the ground.

Look... you do porn too. It appears we are in the same industry. You jacking off for guys on iFriends is no different than me doing on video, particularly since they archive them.

http://www.ifriends.net/joinme.htm?jennacox82

Let me get this straight... In 2005 you created a web page under the alias Jenna Coxxx, using a stolen picture of course, begging for money for surgeries. "Donate any amount to Jenna's Future Surgeries!"

http://www.freewebs.com/jennacox/

You were (are?) a web cam girl for iFriends. That is porn darling. I am simply pointing out reality that a girl who looks like this... (see photos attached) obviously wouldn't need surgery money to see Dr Alter.

Why you lie and say pictures that aren't you are, I don't understand. The fan sign photo, I acknowledge is you... I have stated it from the beginning - from my very first post. I have stated, you are a TG. I have stated that you do have some real pictures. However, these myspace photos are not you and you are legitimately making TS appear crazy by insisting they are.

Vicki

ps - I don't watch transsexual porn either AGAIN DRAMA DRAMA OF COURSE YOU WOULD TAKE THE NEGATIVE APPROACH I NEVER ONCE SAID WHAT I DO OR WHAT YOU DID WAS BAD I WORKED ON IFRIENDS FOR A FEW WEEKS A FEW WEEKS AND STOPPED VICKI I NEVER SAID ANYTHING BAD ABOUT YOU ABOUT PORN PRODUCTION AGAIN LET ME RESTATE I DO NOT CARE WHAT YOUR PROFESSION IS!

[Dkg]

yet she still ignores the fakes pictures allogations.... :?

I'm sure you're a real cool person Kelly, but Vicki has a point with the fake pictures. I just don't get wh if you're so open asbout who you are you have to falsely advertise yourself. yes, "advertise".

[MrsKellyPierce]

yet she still ignores the fakes pictures allogations.... :?

I'm sure you're a real cool person Kelly, but Vicki has a point with the fake pictures. I just don't get wh if you're so open asbout who you are you have to falsely advertise yourself. yes, "advertise". MY MODELING PICS ARE NOT FAKE and that Jenna Cox website was not made by me so I don't know where the hell that came from

[Vicki Richter]

yet she still ignores the fakes pictures allogations.... :?

I'm sure you're a real cool person Kelly, but Vicki has a point with the fake pictures. I just don't get wh if you're so open asbout who you are you have to falsely advertise yourself. yes, "advertise". MY MODELING PICS ARE NOT FAKE and that Jenna Cox website was not made by me so I don't know where the hell that came from

That would be all well and good, but Rhonda has already called you out in another thread as posting that photo on TGPixel.com and claiming it was you... You know, the one on the Jenna Coxx web site... It just gets deeper and deeper... One lie to cover another lie to cover another lie...

[MrsKellyPierce]

yet she still ignores the fakes pictures allogations.... :?

I'm sure you're a real cool person Kelly, but Vicki has a point with the fake pictures. I just don't get wh if you're so open asbout who you are you have to falsely advertise yourself. yes, "advertise". MY MODELING PICS ARE NOT FAKE and that Jenna Cox website was not made by me so I don't know where the hell that came from

That would be all well and good, but Rhonda has already called you out in another thread as posting that photo on TGPixel.com and claiming it was you... You know, the one on the Jenna Coxx web site... It just gets deeper and deeper... One lie to cover another lie to cover another lie... Tg pixel you mean Tgirltalk?

[Vicki Richter]

yet she still ignores the fakes pictures allogations.... :?

I'm sure you're a real cool person Kelly, but Vicki has a point with the fake pictures. I just don't get wh if you're so open asbout who you are you have to falsely advertise yourself. yes, "advertise". MY MODELING PICS ARE NOT FAKE and that Jenna Cox website was not made by me so I don't know where the hell that came from

That would be all well and good, but Rhonda has already called you out in another thread as posting that photo on TGPixel.com and claiming it was you... You know, the one on the Jenna Coxx web site... It just gets deeper and deeper... One lie to cover another lie to cover another lie... Tg pixel you mean Tgirltalk?

No I mean TGpixel... You know, the site you linked to from your own web page? Oh my... Maybe you missed this posting?

http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?p=185193&highlight=#185193

[MrsKellyPierce]

yet she still ignores the fakes pictures allogations.... :?

I'm sure you're a real cool person Kelly, but Vicki has a point with the fake pictures. I just don't get wh if you're so open asbout who you are you have to falsely advertise yourself. yes, "advertise". MY MODELING PICS ARE NOT FAKE and that Jenna Cox website was not made by me so I don't know where the hell that came from

That would be all well and good, but Rhonda has already called you out in another thread as posting that photo on TGPixel.com and claiming it was you... You know, the one on the Jenna Coxx web site... It just gets deeper and deeper... One lie to cover another lie to cover another lie... Tg pixel you mean Tgirltalk? again clueless I didn't add myself to tgpixel till after tgirltalk opened and Monica asked me to join

[Alison Faraday]

AGAIN DRAMA DRAMA OF COURSE YOU WOULD TAKE THE NEGATIVE APPROACH I NEVER ONCE SAID WHAT I DO OR WHAT YOU DID WAS BAD I WORKED ON IFRIENDS FOR A FEW WEEKS A FEW WEEKS AND STOPPED VICKI I NEVER SAID ANYTHING BAD ABOUT YOU ABOUT PORN PRODUCTION AGAIN LET ME RESTATE I DO NOT CARE WHAT YOUR PROFESSION IS!

Regardless of what you may or may not look like.

My only observation is that you just won't shut the fuck up. And you're still messing up my screen with your totally OTT avatar.

SHUT UP. You're now into the ranks or either a spammer or a troll.

Sorry. It's your approach and attitude. Everytime I come here it's YOU YOU YOU. Let's just rename HungAngels to KellyShore shall we!!??

If you're so genuine then ignore the criticism. And contribute. Afterall that is why you are here is it not?

[MrsKellyPierce]

AGAIN DRAMA DRAMA OF COURSE YOU WOULD TAKE THE NEGATIVE APPROACH I NEVER ONCE SAID WHAT I DO OR WHAT YOU DID WAS BAD I WORKED ON IFRIENDS FOR A FEW WEEKS A FEW WEEKS AND STOPPED VICKI I NEVER SAID ANYTHING BAD ABOUT YOU ABOUT PORN PRODUCTION AGAIN LET ME RESTATE I DO NOT CARE WHAT YOUR PROFESSION IS!

Regardless of what you may or may not look like.

My only observation is that you just won't shut the fuck up. And you're still messing up my screen with your totally OTT avatar.

SHUT UP. You're now into the ranks or either a spammer or a troll.

Sorry. It's your approach and attitude. Everytime I come here it's YOU YOU YOU. Let's just rename HungAngels to KellyShore shall we!!??

If you're so genuine then ignore the criticism. And contribute. Afterall that is why you are here is it not? Alison I have tried to get her to drop it I have made new threads about new topics and if it's not her making it...it's someone else. I can't help their actions

[Alison Faraday]

Hey Kelly,

I'll be honest here without blowing my top. Truly, I'm one of the nicest warmest more genuine people you could meet, yet I get to a certain point where I let go. You've been at times enough to even make God swear.

If you are genuine then I do feel quite sorry for you. But in a way you've brought alot of this on yourself. If someone accuses me of being a fake (and I have been accused before elsewhere) then I take it as a compliment. Any debates about my authenticity or motives I simply let run their course. Throughout, they're the ones getting all upset about it, while I just move on to the next adventure.

Where you have an online forum or community like this you have to fit in, else what has happened here happens. This all stems from the olden days of Usenet newsgroups, which used to be alot worse than you've been getting it here.

There's really only two things that stand out about you that make me take a dislike to you. Your avatar, now that really winds me up when on a laptop at 1024x768 as it totally messes up the alignment of the screen. You're the ONLY person on the this whole forum that's done it, mainly as most have the common sense not to do it.

The other thing that annoys me is your total lack of interest and seriousness, everything's a joke. If you want to participate in the regular admirer banter then that's all fine, each to their own. Yet when debating your very existence, seriousness calls into play. It's as if you don't care what people's reaction is.

So why are you here. Are you here to create a stir and be the centre of attention? Are you here to be admired? The latter, there's nothing wrong with it at all in a million years.

Afterall this is practically a totally anonymous forum where we hide behind our screens and the human phyche comes out. In real life I would personally just avoid you which would be my solution and people would bitch about you behind your back. Your friends' wouldn't really be your friends at all.

So where am I going with this, I'm not even sure myself. But please resize your avatar. The suspicion here is that you don't have access to the sites you link to so can't. As any sane person would have done it by now, just to fit in. In real life we can jump up and down and scream and shout, and usually we get what we want now and then. Yet in this place the rules are different.

This book is a recommended read;

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0521632943.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

I hope you find peace by the time this is all thrashed out until the bitter end. But in the meantime it's a diversion of my energy which could be best served elsewhere. I'm not sure what to suggest. As clearly you aren't too concerned about what anyone has to say. And for me to spend time writing words to simply disappear into the ethos is just tiresome.

Are you actually happy in yourself? (((hugs)))

Alison

[Dkg]

Kind of off topic, but Kelly, can you make your avatar smaller. It is f***ing with peoples screens, including mines.

Thanks :wink:

[Felicia Katt]

That would be all well and good, but Rhonda has already called you out in another thread as posting that photo on TGPixel.com and claiming it was you... You know, the one on the Jenna Coxx web site... It just gets deeper and deeper... One lie to cover another lie to cover another lie...

Kelly, why don't you please just admit that you have used that pic and let this rest? You had it as your avatar on one board, or another Tgpixel, or Tgirltalk. Please don't deny that. And you used it in the Gay.com transgender chatroom. Maybe you don't remember my complimenting you by instant message on it, but I do. I was impressed at how far you had come, since the first times I had seen you. You accepted the compliment with a thanks, not a denial or disclaimer. Since you are pretty and do have some great self pics I don't know why you would co-opt someone elses pic as your own. But you did. It didn't really bother me at the time, but to have you claim here that you only use your own pics, and then to continue to try to dodge and deny it now, against all the evidence is wrong. Getting attention is good, but having credibility is much better.

FK

[Kabuki]

That would be all well and good, but Rhonda has already called you out in another thread as posting that photo on TGPixel.com and claiming it was you... You know, the one on the Jenna Coxx web site... It just gets deeper and deeper... One lie to cover another lie to cover another lie...

Kelly, why don't you please just admit that you have used that pic and let this rest? You had it as your avatar on one board, or another Tgpixel, or Tgirltalk. Please don't deny that. And you used it in the Gay.com transgender chatroom. Maybe you don't remember my complimenting you by instant message on it, but I do. I was impressed at how far you had come, since the first times I had seen you. You accepted the compliment with a thanks, not a denial or disclaimer. Since you are pretty and do have some great self pics I don't know why you would co-opt someone elses pic as your own. But you did. It didn't really bother me at the time, but to have you claim here that you only use your own pics, and then to continue to try to dodge and deny it now, against all the evidence is wrong. Getting attention is good, but having credibility is much better.

FK

Kelly is finally quiet now :roll:

[Quinn]

The denials are annoying, so let’s cut through the nonsense. To address this in as specific a manner as possible – so that we can move beyond it – the details, as I witnessed them, are as follows:

1. “Kelly Shore” used a pic of this Australian (Courtney Act) to represent herself when she first appeared on Tgirltalk, long before Seanchai took it over.
2. She was called on it by another poster.
3. After being caught misrepresenting herself, she changed her avatar to use cam pics similar to those she has posted here (it’s clearly the same person).

Bottom line: she has, in the past, used someone else’s pic to represent herself. End of story. Next.....

-Quinn

[Fox]

The avatar size is annoying me too. It's simple and easy to resize it but here you go.

[suckseed]

I've thought about one thing that to my knowledge hasn't been touched on.
That is, posting pics of her man - the one who has told her he's afraid of anyone finding out she's a ts. Either he's pretty naive about allowing these pics to circulate (personally, if there was a photo of me out there with a dick in my mouth I'd be coming to terms with people knowing pretty quickly), or he doesn't know, or really doesn't care who knows and that part of the story isn't true.
But this could be a huge violation of trust. The evidence is that he really doesn't care, or wouldn't have allowed the pics to be taken.
Or, a fourth option - those pics aren't him. :roll:

[suckseed]

And OH YEAH...people are getting tired of these threads...but it has livened things up around here! it beats another one of spedius's 'more clips from my terabyte of porn' threads.
Seriously - why does he do this? Is there money in it?

[Dkg]

And OH YEAH...people are getting tired of these threads...but it has livened things up around here! it beats another one of spedius's 'more clips from my terabyte of porn' threads.
Seriously - why does he do this? Is there money in it?

Lol

So true....Is Spedius even a real person?

[Felicia Katt]

Kelly is finally quiet now :roll:
I don't want her to be quiet. This board could use some new people on it. I just want her to be honest and own up to her missteps. I think people can forgive her if she does that, and won't ever let her forget if she doesn't.

FK

[Solitary Brother]

is there a cliff note version?

I suck cock and look good doing it... even in person. I have a hard girl penis, and you want to suck it until stuff comes out of it. The end.

So true

[sucka4chix]

is there a cliff note version?

I suck cock and look good doing it... even in person. I have a hard girl penis, and you want to suck it until stuff comes out of it. The end.

Hilarious!

[TrueBeauty TS]

Kelly is finally quiet now :roll:
I don't want her to be quiet. This board could use some new people on it. I just want her to be honest and own up to her missteps. I think people can forgive her if she does that, and won't ever let her forget if she doesn't.

FK


Don't people understand? It's not the act (per say) of cheating/using other pics, it's the LYING about it.

People will forgive just about anything (Americans love reformed sinners) but they hate being lied to.

[wombat33]

Kelly is finally quiet now :roll:
I don't want her to be quiet. This board could use some new people on it. I just want her to be honest and own up to her missteps. I think people can forgive her if she does that, and won't ever let her forget if she doesn't.

FK


Don't people understand? It's not the act (per say) of cheating/using other pics, it's the LYING about it.

People will forgive just about anything (Americans love reformed sinners) but they hate being lied to.


LET HER BE WHO SHE WANS TO BE. THIS PLACE SHOULS BE A PLACE WHERE WE CAN ALL GO AND FANTASIZE AND BE SOME ONE WE REALLY MIGHT NOT BE. THAT IS EVIDENT BY THE TONS OF GUYS THAT DO NOT LET ANYONE KNOW THEY ARE HERE OR EVEN INTO SHEMALES.

I SAY GIVE THE POOR GIRL A BREAK. ASIDE FROM THE FACT THAT SHE IS ONE OF THE PRETTIER T-GIRLS i HAVE SEEN IN A WHILE.........SHE SEEMS PLEASANT, NON-ANTAGONISTIC, AND AN ALL AROUND GOOD GIRL TO TALK WITH AND POST WITH.


IN THE WORDS OF THE GREAT RODNEY KING

"CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?"

[GroobySteven]

IN THE WORDS OF THE GREAT RODNEY KING

"CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?"

Great? He was tit who got lucky.
seanchai

[ron_55]

Nicely said Vicky...You rock girl :)

[a994]

Great posts by Vicki. RACK HER!!:)

[Big Dick]

It is Vicki's opinion only, no one person sets the rules here. Let her think waht she wants and do what she wants. As for the rest of us, we march to the beat of our own drum

[Vicki Richter]

It is Vicki's opinion only, no one person sets the rules here. Let her think waht she wants and do what she wants. As for the rest of us, we march to the beat of our own drum

How are you still posting after they found you double posting as Irish Rose? You are just bitter because I outted you. Next.

[chefmike]

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[crayons]

I'm not a fan of Vicki but atleast she doesn't put up with phonies like Kelly Shore. That thing looks like it was purchased from a dollar store.

[crayons]

Is Monica Fox the cheap tranny with an ego bigger than all the gay men marching down Castro street during Gay Pride Week wearing their thongs backwards? She has fans?

[werwt22]

TNT must have taken over HA.

[TheGuard]

Hey Kelly,

I'll be honest here without blowing my top. Truly, I'm one of the nicest warmest more genuine people you could meet, yet I get to a certain point where I let go. You've been at times enough to even make God swear.

If you are genuine then I do feel quite sorry for you. But in a way you've brought alot of this on yourself. If someone accuses me of being a fake (and I have been accused before elsewhere) then I take it as a compliment. Any debates about my authenticity or motives I simply let run their course. Throughout, they're the ones getting all upset about it, while I just move on to the next adventure.

Where you have an online forum or community like this you have to fit in, else what has happened here happens. This all stems from the olden days of Usenet newsgroups, which used to be alot worse than you've been getting it here.

There's really only two things that stand out about you that make me take a dislike to you. Your avatar, now that really winds me up when on a laptop at 1024x768 as it totally messes up the alignment of the screen. You're the ONLY person on the this whole forum that's done it, mainly as most have the common sense not to do it.

The other thing that annoys me is your total lack of interest and seriousness, everything's a joke. If you want to participate in the regular admirer banter then that's all fine, each to their own. Yet when debating your very existence, seriousness calls into play. It's as if you don't care what people's reaction is.

So why are you here. Are you here to create a stir and be the centre of attention? Are you here to be admired? The latter, there's nothing wrong with it at all in a million years.

Afterall this is practically a totally anonymous forum where we hide behind our screens and the human phyche comes out. In real life I would personally just avoid you which would be my solution and people would bitch about you behind your back. Your friends' wouldn't really be your friends at all.

So where am I going with this, I'm not even sure myself. But please resize your avatar. The suspicion here is that you don't have access to the sites you link to so can't. As any sane person would have done it by now, just to fit in. In real life we can jump up and down and scream and shout, and usually we get what we want now and then. Yet in this place the rules are different.

This book is a recommended read;

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0521632943.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

I hope you find peace by the time this is all thrashed out until the bitter end. But in the meantime it's a diversion of my energy which could be best served elsewhere. I'm not sure what to suggest. As clearly you aren't too concerned about what anyone has to say. And for me to spend time writing words to simply disappear into the ethos is just tiresome.

Are you actually happy in yourself? (((hugs)))

Alison

Alison, that was amazingly eloquent. That's what I want more of on this forum, genuine interaction.

Interestingly enough I recently graduated from Penn State and we we introduced to one of Patricia's modules, she's covering territory in psychology that's keenly progressive.

...and that's my offtopic rant, I have nothing to say on this other subject. :wink:

[olite71]

Some of you see this nonsense with Kelly and wonder, why the fuck does Vicki even care? Well, the way I see it, there is a life commitment that goes into being a TS. It is a challenging series of steps we go through to achieve the ultimate in femininity. There is surgery. There are hormones. There are things like laser treatments. There are the social aspects of changing our friends, notifying our families.

When I see someone using clearly fake photos, it really gets under my skin. While other TS can overlook it as just someone being a moron, I, personally take personal afront to it.

I mean seriously, this stuff can ruin lives. It can totally break people away from their families, friends, and other loved ones. It can incite people to kill you because they don't understand. Make no mistake, it is a BIG deal to change your gender.

When I see someone like Kelly Shore coming in here with fake photos, despite being some form of transgender herself, to me it makes no sense. She is not a Venus model. She is not a lingerie model. She is a web cam girl for iFriends. She's attractive, but she isn't some Austrailian model who's pictures she stole.

Do you guys care? Probably not. It's OK, it shows chivalry is not dead. However, it also undermines what true transsexuals have gone through to achieve realness. Real beauty. Realy femininity. It isn't about some fake photoshop smeared webcam photo. It is about walking up to the girl in a public setting and feeling totally comfortable doing so.

Being a TS to me isn't about smoke and mirrors and what I can hide on the Internet with cheap photography editting tricks. That is why I have shot nearly 40 movies. That is why I feel comfortable if I meet any of my fans they will not be let down. You will say, "she's prettier in person". I'm not a cheap Internet knock off who pretends to be through lame doctored photography. I give a promise to my fans and the fans of the genre. When/if Shemaleyum hosts their anniversary party, I will be there and you will not be let down.

But, if you choose to believe that photos with the entire face smeared are reality, that is OK. Hopefully you won't get let down someday.

I commend the real girls like Allanah who put themselves out there week after week at parties for you guys to show you that the fantasy is reality. That's hot.

Vicki


Vicki: I believe that you are sincere in your conviction...But the purity of the ideas behind a conviction are something that may be best preserved by keeping them secret...Hemingway once said that the worst thing he did for the purity of his writing was commenting on that writing....

In the same way the purity of a good deed is kept at its highest purity when the doer of that deed tells nobody of it.... Everybody should try that one day---do a good deed and tell noone of it...then the deed is good instead of a means of self congratulation.

It is only with great difficulty that any person can hold in their feelings of purity and sincerity....we burst at the seams to tell others of what we think and feel--but in the telling we somewhat violate the dignity and the purity of the once secret and only-known-to-us feeling...

Of course these are only my theories...I could be wrong, and my analogy to literature and good deeds may be misplaced--but I'm only trying to learn about the pysche of that being known as "the transexual."

[suckseed]

...but I'm only trying to learn about the pysche of that being known as "the transexual."

Thoughtful post...but one of the first things to remember about any group of people is that you can't generalize. What is the psyche of a woman? A Hawaiian? They're all individuals.

What we're interested in is that they're sexy...then what we want to know is how we can get with them. After that, we men differ only in our approach. But let's be honest. We're not here in the spirit of transexual anthropology.

I learned a big lesson this week. The fact is, my interest in transexuals directly correlates to the extent that I find them attractive. That doesn't mean I don't wish everyone well. But let's not bust out the John Tesh music just yet about our well-meaning flower-sending selves. Whether it's a gg or a ts, we're being dishonest with ourselves if we don't place our interest within the framework of how badly we want to park the pink Mustang up a side street. And women have finely tuned bs detectors.
Personally, I have no problem saying I wanna know her, I wanna bone her, and if she's a great person, I'll stick around and see what happens.
(This is a hypothetical 'her'....not Vicki per se.)

[olite71]

...but I'm only trying to learn about the pysche of that being known as "the transexual."

Thoughtful post...but one of the first things to remember about any group of people is that you can't generalize. What is the psyche of a woman? A Hawaiian? They're all individuals.

What we're interested in is that they're sexy...then what we want to know is how we can get with them. After that, we men differ only in our approach. But let's be honest. We're not here in the spirit of transexual anthropology.

I learned a big lesson this week. The fact is, my interest in transexuals directly correlates to the extent that I find them attractive. That doesn't mean I don't wish everyone well. But let's not bust out the John Tesh music just yet about our well-meaning flower-sending selves. Whether it's a gg or a ts, we're being dishonest with ourselves if we don't place our interest within the framework of how badly we want to park the pink Mustang up a side street. And women have finely tuned bs detectors.
Personally, I have no problem saying I wanna know her, I wanna bone her, and if she's a great person, I'll stick around and see what happens.
(This is a hypothetical 'her'....not Vicki per se.)


Well said--I quoted Hemingway, and then I conjured him. I'm attracted to good looking people just as much as the next guy. No need to bullchit about that....And i won't.

[suckseed]

uh...yep. that's what I said! :lol:

[olite71]

uh...yep. that's what I said! :lol:

Sorry, I phucked up...look again.

[suckseed]

ah. true dat.
we could use more hemingway channeling, or at least posters capable of that around here.
welcome to the forum. be sure and check out a clip from spedius before you log off! :)

[hazydavy]

vicki rules the day!!
next?

[whatsupwithat]

We realize that 99% of you are interested in one thing, and one thing only. And, that most of what you gentlemen have to say on this forum is simply a PR campaign for a more base agenda. This is old news. But bear in mind that, necessity being the mother of invention, this is exactly what inspires ALL women to take up the oldest profession in the world.[/quote]

That is gorgeous!

Wow. Great post by Vicki to start it off and a followup by Arianna to keep it real. And quite a few of the men on here with some interesting insight, as well.

I've lived for a moment like this on HA. Well, not really "lived" for, but it sure has been nice to read. :)

Rock on all! I think I love you guys!!

[suckseed]

What we're interested in is that they're sexy...then what we want to know is how we can get with them. After that, we men differ only in our approach. But let's be honest. We're not here in the spirit of transexual anthropology.We realize that 99% of you are interested in one thing, and one thing only. And, that most of what you gentlemen have to say on this forum is simply a PR campaign for a more base agenda. This is old news. But bear in mind that, necessity being the mother of invention, this is exactly what inspires ALL women to take up the oldest profession in the world.

Hi Arianna. Based on your 'oldest profession' remark: what do you like about men besides the pleasure they can give you, and the money you can get? In other words...I'm asking you to explain how you women are nobler in your approach to men than we men are with women. This is sounding kind of smartassed. i'm tired at the moment. Do you get what I'm asking?