trannies with real jobs

[ballbreaker]

are there any transexuals with real jobs or professions or do they all live of porn and prostitution?

[truplaya4real]

Yeah, they're lumberjacks, plumbers, truck drivers, and security guards ..oh and they've just started transitioning at 45.

[ballbreaker]

are any secretaries or anything else?

[TrueBeauty TS]

I have a "real" job. I transitioned young.


Here are many others. Not everyone is a beauty queen, but neither are all genetic women.

http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TSsuccesses/TSsuccesses.html

[ballbreaker]

do you have a photo of yourself true beauty?

[gbert52]

I'm not quite sure that Ballbreakers question was sincere, but the website that you linked to TrueBeauty is one of the most informative & REAL sites that I've seen. Great posting!

[ballbreaker]

i was sincere because most that i have met dont work a regular job not trying to offend anyone just asking for true information.

[Vicki Richter]

Here is True Beauty... Sorry for blowing your spot.

http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TSsuccesses/Vanessa%20V/Vanessa's%20Story.html

[Vicki Richter]

And real world TS's living among you...

http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/LynnPhotos/Friends/Lynn%20-%20Silvia%20-%20Veronica%20-%20Gabriellle%20E1%20m.jpg

I don't know if that photo is going to post, but it gives you the idea. Pretty, normal, transsexual women.

[Buddy Wood]

I like that you asked for a photo as soon as you got an answer back. Classic. "I'm sincere and looking for something beyond porn...but do you got a pic?" Although the name True Beauty does get the imagination rolling.

I know a lot of girls that do not escort and have never done porn. Just because it's the most accessible/visible professions for us men that are interested in t-girls does not mean it's the standard. One of the most beautiful and passable girls I've ever met manages a furniture shop. You gotta get out more. Meet girls in real life.

Buddy

[BeardedOne]

I'm a hermit, and don't get out a lot, but I know TS's that are computer programmers, graphic designers, hardware engineers, authors, and contractors (Home improvement, etc.).

Hell, some of them are even cute. :)

One, a F2M, was at the birth of my son.

Remember the venue in which you ask the question. HA is, with no shame, a porn-centric forum. Many of the gurls who post here or who are yakked about here are in the sex industry to some extent. Yet they are not =ALL= of the TS's on the planet.

[eggbert]

Not to get too deep here, but as an admirer of transgendered women, my interest runs the gamut. I like seeing sexy hot tgirl porn, but I also enjoy reading about the real lives and situations of some of the girls that post here. Hey, we're all people and we're all just trying to live a life. It's nice to see that there are so many success stories, and I'm sure this is just the tip of the iceberg.

[ballbreaker]

are there any in newyork that lead simple lives

[chefmike]

Do any of them knit?

[BeardedOne]

are there any in newyork that lead simple lives

Does =anyone= in NY lead a "simple life"? :?

[MrsKellyPierce]

lol there are a lot of transexuals that aren't in the industry not that being in it is a issue -- But there are plenty of companies that are accepting and some that even pay for hormones and surgeries for example Best Buy will and so will Dell

[ballbreaker]

great info kelly thanks

[Artmann100]

I only have had the pleasure of having the acquaintance of one actual transsexual woman, and she worked in a factory... a long way from being an escort or porn star. it crosses my mind that if a TS has transitioned properly (clumsy wording, I know), most people would never have any reason to think she had ever been anyone else. As it should be... they are not trying to fulfill a fantasy, or anyone elses' fantasies, they are simply trying to live the lives they should heve been able to from the beginning.

[msnaughtygirl4uu]

i know thats right vicky.... :wink:

[peggygee]

While work in the sex industry can be quite lucrative for some
transwomen, it can also be very physically demanding and
mentally gruelling.

Work in the sex industry does not just consist of the 'sucking
and fucking' that many of the clients believe it does.

Women who escort or perform in adult entertainment, utilize a
multitude of skills. They must market and advertise themselves
much like any other business owner would promote themselves.

Many transwomen also become fairly sophisticated in their abilities
to do web site development, and e-commerce as they employ their
craft.

Further they may or not have employees who depend on them for
their livelihood, and have all the tax liabilities of any other
individual, proprietorship, or corporation.

Clearly, as business entrepreneurs they have strong beliefs
about a market opportunity and are willing to accept a high level
of personal, professional or financial risk to pursue that opportunity.

[peggygee]

Having made the statement above, I would be remiss if I
did not point out that much like any other business owner,
or sole proprietor the tranwoman who works in the sex
industry must be very cognizant of making good business
decisions.

The sex worker has a very finite earning period. Her peak earning
period may be from 18 - 35. If a transwoman has made the
decision to work in the sex industry she must take great care to
insure that she will be able to earn a decent living once she leaves
the industry.

Perhaps she has set up other income producing ventures. Often she
has taken the money that she has earned from the sex industry and
furthered her education.

A woman in 'the industry' may be likened to an athelete, or to any
other entertainer. As a business woman it is very important that
she insure the longevity of her earning potential.

That would be sound business practice.

[lincspoacher]

As has been pointed out ..many TG women work in the Health sector .. my former GF (a pre-op TS) works in the National Health Service here in UK,within the surgical field.

Her employers know all about her & the only documentation remaining in her "former" name is her Birth Certificate (which will be changed after SRS).

Naturally,I'm not going to post her pic for obvious reasons.

Several of her TG friends enjoy senior positions in various other fields,including one working for a well known UK High Street Bank.

Bye for now,

Poacher.

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Some of them do work. But, they are minority as some of the ladies here pointed out. They are in the Health care market like you wouldn't believe and they in the Retail market for chain stores such as Macy's and Filenes and Bloomingdales. I see a few common ones making their way to work everyday and sometimes on site as well.

But, aesthetically, they aren't on the same scale that you see posted up in the forum. Would make sense if you're only making so much an hour, the womans transition can only move as fast your financial income does.

So, $12 an hour @ Macy's dealing with Irate customers. Or, $350 an hour where she can dominate some bottom boy?

People need think realistically.

Co-sign!

~Kisses.

HTG

[peggygee]

Some of them do work. But, they are minority as some of the ladies here pointed out. They are in the Health care market like you wouldn't believe and they in the Retail market for chain stores such as Macy's and Filenes and Bloomingdales. I see a few common ones making their way to work everyday and sometimes on site as well.

But, aesthetically, they aren't on the same scale that you see posted up in the forum. Would make sense if you're only making so much an hour, the womans transition can only move as fast your financial income does.

So, $12 an hour @ Macy's dealing with Irate customers. Or, $350 an hour where she can dominate some bottom boy?

People need think realistically.

Unisex, I must beg to differ with you.

It has been postulated that roughly 33% of tranwomen work in the
sex industry.

It may appear that that the majority of transwomen are employed
as sex workers, but this is due to them needing to be visible by
virtue of thir high profile occupations.

Thus the transwomen that you are seeing are either women who
allow themselves to be known, or women who do not pass well.

There is a fairly high percentage of transwomen who pass quite
well, and one would have no reason to question their gender
status based upon a mere quick glance or brief encounter.

Tranwoman are a diverse population, with some working in
blue, pink, white collar realms, as well as the sex industry.

The transwomen you may know of may either fall into two categories,
highly attractive sex workers, or transwomen who do not pass very
well.

However the reality lies somewhere in between.

[signupjustforthis]

I was working as a call center operator in the summer as my summer job. I am not planning to become a sex worker.

[loki]

Anything that requires effort and work is a "real job".I'm sure the porn and sex industry is very demanding and is not all glamour.We see the end result not the time and effort it takes to look the way they do or the hours they may have to work.Or the myriad other things they have to do or put up with.

[ballbreaker]

can we post some pictures of them at work?

[lincspoacher]

Ha ha Ballbreaker .. in the case of my former GF,it would do no good,as she wears a surgical cap,facemask & gown at work .. so you'd still be none the wiser.

Besides,it would be very rude to post another "private" persons pic on the web .. without their express permission & I like to think I'm too much of a gentleman to do that ... sorry.

Bye for now,

Poacher.

[Shining Star]

Why make $12/hour at a proper job when one can make $350 hoeing? Hmm the answer comes on many forms.

1. "Working" is illegal, and not everyone relishes the idea of engaging in criminal acts, no matter how it's sugar coated as "victimless"

2. The deeper love of self and pride and respect that comes from being a productive and contributing member of society. The ability to hold one's head high and give a truthful answer when asked "what do you do for a living"?

3. The satisfaction the comes from doing an honest days work and knowing your income does not rely upon being intimate with persons you normally wouldn't give the time of day to on the street. Having those same persons on some level think they are better than yourself, after all you offered yourself to them for money.

There are lots of natural women working in positions that pay very little, by some rationale expressed here they all should go on the game.

The "Madonna/Whore" syndrome is very much still alive, and many men (despite what they may say) do not respect "working girls". They may have relations with them, even go around with them socially, but that is about the extent of things.

As for the trannies, if working was such a picnic, why are many of them so "angry" & "bitter"? Again, if you were depending upon being with several men per day or week for your daily bread, how content would you be? Things might be different if the men all gorgeous young males (of whatever race/nationality that floats your boat). Were polite and showed up to do nothing but make the girl happy, but the reality is far different.

Another thing is the constant stress of daily life engaged in criminal activity. Wondering who knows what, dealing with nosy neighbors, dealing with nasty comments. Or the flip side, people who know your game and want a cut. Doormen, pimps, lazy bfs, what have you can hold a working girl's occupation over her head to get what they want. The girls have little recourse and very little options.

Finally there is probably the incredible loneliness that comes from leading such life. Outside of a circle of people engaged in simliar or other acts, society can be very limited. Even when girls do go out, there is always the chance of being outed not only as a trannie, but as a hooker/sex worker as well. If you think the former changes how people view a person, the later has even more weight.

[Marilyn]

Well, I'm a licensed cosmetologist working at a full service salon, I have also worked as Make Up artist for M.A.C, while attending cosmetology school I worked at a Call Center/CSR for an International calling card company, and for Whitman Walker Clinic (funded in part by Elizabeth Taylor) as CSR for their 202-232-AIDS hotline. And yes doing all that including dancing at a club on weekends never made 300$ an hour, but I was happy with myself and that is all that mattered to me...

[Solitary Brother]

Most "trannys" do have real jobs.......blowing out lurkers assholes!

[Looking 4 Now]

Most of the tgirls I've met from the Philippines seem to be very well educated and work regular jobs. There are a couple clubs in New York where these girls hang out, almost everyone works a regular job. I've met a few rn's and one computer programmer

[ballbreaker]

where do they hang out ? i dont see man photos of phillipinos on here why?

[PatrickFromNYC]

I know at least 10 filipina TS`s who are nurses in NYC and Jersey.

[peggygee]

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/bump-1.gif

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/needs1.gif

[trannybanger]

I know at least 10 filipina TS`s who are nurses in NYC and Jersey.

Me too... know a few that make quite a nice living in the medical field.

These girls may have more challenges than others at times in life, but the ladies that are smart and driven will make great lives for themselves.

[justatransgirl]

I beg to differ with Peggy - but studies have shown that between 30 and 50% of all transsexuals (M-F) work in the sex industry.

And the "studies" are worthless BS.

And I'd say it's higher than that, more like 70% in many cities.

Others are older folk who transitioned on their jobs as engineers and professors and live this perfect little life.

Not to Diss Jenny Boyland... and the TS doctors and nurses out there, but let's get real. Most non sex worker TS's earn less than $15,000 a year.

Here's a link to a study done in San Diego last year. The ONLY recent definative data. And it's WORTHLESS.

http://www.justatransgirl.com/SanDiegoNeeds.pdf

Read page 40. Out of 136 people interviewed they interviewed 3 sex workers. Can anybody say - bullshit.

Same thing with the studies quoted - one was done in 1998 in SF (TEN YEARS ago), another in Houston where 67 TS's were studied.

67 - out of what? An ESTIMATED 750,000 plus transsexuals in the United States.

If only 30% are sex workers that's a QUARTER MILLION transsexual prostitutes.

Most are young, I'm an anomally. Most have no education and NO OTHER OPTION. Most don't earn what the superstars earn. Most street girls seem to have drug issues.

LE is only interested in putting people in jail for percieved "crimes" executed in private between consenting adults. Nowhere that I am aware of is there any program to help girls get out of the biz and into high paying career jobs.

We had a DR. at the local clinic suggest my partner and I should break up trade in our luxury apt. in the better part of town and get rooms in the San Diego slum where most of the trannies live, and work in some kind of service job - not that we could get hired. THAT's considered support.

If you want to get girls out of the business give them education, training and paths into carear jobs at the median average wage, which in San Deigo is $60,000 a year. Then with TWO incomes they can afford to buy a car, and a middle class house, and take a vacation occasionally and stay at a Holiday Inn instead of the Hilton.

It can't be done at a MacDonalds salary. And in So Cal unless you are latino or other foreign worker you simply cannot get hired. And without experience you can't get into management - and very few places will hire a TS for a management job.

All those great computer science jobs are going to India - or what they do now is they bring the Indians here at 1/2 what Americans used to make. So that's pretty much shot as a career.

I used to make $125 an hour writing database software in 2000 - the same work is now going for roughly $15.00.

My partner and I wanted to open a little food booth at various farmers markets and community events - since nobody is going to hire us. Well, let's see the markets (which can be quite lucrative) laughed at me, told me to call back in a YEAR. I've treid to get us into every festival in the county (about 20). It's always the same, anything that you might possibly be able to do ten people are already doing it, they have years long waiting lists for spots.

We've looked into opening a couple of franchises - one needs $250,000 min the other $750,000. Hell, if we had 750 grand we'd retire and move to the mountains. Even if we could get an SBA loan... I found a great location for a sandwich shop the other day in strip mall in San Diego - where it would be perfect. They want $8,500 a month rent for a space about the size of our living room.

So yeah, I'm a porn actress and a prostitute. And considered a piece of trash by most of the trans "community" who isn't in my field, and the to appease it's fetish, the government spends inordinate amounts of public funds to put me and my friends in jail for the crime of having sex with other adults in private.

Sorry I tend to rant about this stuff. Especially when people without a clue discuss their fabulous lives as transsexual brain surgeons or whatever.

But at least I get paid to have sex with my lover and not too many of you can say that!

Sigh,
TS Jamie

[crayons]

I like that you asked for a photo as soon as you got an answer back. Classic. "I'm sincere and looking for something beyond porn...but do you got a pic?" Although the name True Beauty does get the imagination rolling.


Better still are the people on a pornboard looking for real love. "I'm fed up playing around and now I'm ready to settle down. Anyone else here on a pornboard but not interested in porn?" :roll:

[TsVanessa69]

And real world TS's living among you...

http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/LynnPhotos/Friends/Lynn%20-%20Silvia%20-%20Veronica%20-%20Gabriellle%20E1%20m.jpg

I don't know if that photo is going to post, but it gives you the idea. Pretty, normal, transsexual women.
The blonde in this pic is my girlfriend Gabby, a post-op who is an escort.

[TsVanessa69]

Some of them do work. But, they are minority as some of the ladies here pointed out. They are in the Health care market like you wouldn't believe and they in the Retail market for chain stores such as Macy's and Filenes and Bloomingdales. I see a few common ones making their way to work everyday and sometimes on site as well.

But, aesthetically, they aren't on the same scale that you see posted up in the forum. Would make sense if you're only making so much an hour, the womans transition can only move as fast your financial income does.

So, $12 an hour @ Macy's dealing with Irate customers. Or, $350 an hour where she can dominate some bottom boy?

People need think realistically.
Good point. I had a "real" job for a hot second. Trust me it wasn't for me. My dream from a child was to be a showgirl, so I worked what I had to do to get there. I enjoy being an entertainer and that is a real job. Escorting and porn are real jobs. I thought a real job was a service or skill you have and use to get paid. Anybody who thinks escorting isn't a real job needs to try it and see if they have what it takes to do the job well.

[crinkle]

And real world TS's living among you...

http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/LynnPhotos/Friends/Lynn%20-%20Silvia%20-%20Veronica%20-%20Gabriellle%20E1%20m.jpg

I don't know if that photo is going to post, but it gives you the idea. Pretty, normal, transsexual women.
The blonde in this pic is my girlfriend Gabby, a post-op who is an escort.

I have admired Gabrielle (aka tsheather.com) since she first appeared on Lynn Conway's site. If I lived near Chicago I would have been out with her for dinner at least once. I could totally imagine taking her home to meet my parents.

She really is my type. I imagine her to have a really down to earth sense of humour.

[justatransgirl]

And forgive me for continuing my rant - but "ShiningStar" why come onto a porn and escort forum and insult people?

You call us "criminals" because we choose not to follow out-dated puritianical laws from centuries past in order to survive?

And you tell us we're not doing an honest days work and that we should get a job that pays very little? So we can enjoy your perceived self respect while living in the ghetto in poverty?

So do you own your home? Do you drive a late model car? Why can't we?

You essentially say we don't meet your moral standards? Men don't respect us - hell sweetie 3/4 don't respect ANYBODY.

Yeah, we're angry and bitter. Whether we like escortin or not, we'd like to not be put in jail and have what little we do have destroyed simply for trying to survive.

Then you call us a "trannies?" DUDE I'm NOT a "trannie" I'm a TRANSGENDERED WOMAN. Maybe you beter learn that outside of sex marketing, "trannies" don't like to be called trannies.

As for being lonely - I can't speak for anyone else but I got news for you. I have the best partner in the land, I don't need to know anybody else.

Most people don't want to get too close to transsexuals anyway. It doesn't matter how passable or not, if they know you are trans it really cuts down the party invitations. Potential partners sure aren't going to take their TS lover home to meet the family and get labled "gay," or whatever.

That goes for almost ANY TS - why do you think so many end up in sex work? Their families disown them, their friends leave, and most people think they are wierd at the least and "freaks" at worst. Nobody will hire them, and many people simply want to KILL us.

So Pleeeeze give me a break and get a clue before you insult people.

TS Jamie , grrr

[tsntx]

Unisex wrote:
Some of them do work. But, they are minority as some of the ladies here pointed out. They are in the Health care market like you wouldn't believe and they in the Retail market for chain stores such as Macy's and Filenes and Bloomingdales. I see a few common ones making their way to work everyday and sometimes on site as well.

But, aesthetically, they aren't on the same scale that you see posted up in the forum. Would make sense if you're only making so much an hour, the womans transition can only move as fast your financial income does.

So, $12 an hour @ Macy's dealing with Irate customers. Or, $350 an hour where she can dominate some bottom boy?

People need think realistically.

tell you what... when you wake up, think realistically, and get off a porn board and open your eyes... ill start to beleive what you say... same goes for "ts jamie" or w/e... just bc YOU do something doesnt mean everyone does, just bc every escort you meet is a transexual does NOT mean every transexual is an escort. just bc you ASSUME every HOT girl is an escort does NOT make it true. just bc you beleive something doesnt make it real or factual... while it may be no secret that i escort here and there as a hobby for the last few months... im in no way dependant or doing it as a profession. i have 2 really good jobs and both pay more then double "$12 @ macys" and one of them happens to put me at macy's often... starting out as a makeup artist for MAC is $16.50... i make a lot more as a national artist and get to travel and go to cool places like movie sets, pro-photoshoots, video sets... etc etc. my best friend rachel is the counter manager for Yves St. Laurent @ Nordrstums where she makes $25+ and my other good friend lexi is a counter manager for Nars @ Neimans and she also makes $25+

do these look like non-passable 40yr old beasts to you? didnt think so. so take your ignorance to somewhere it might not get proven wrong.

*edit* see post below for pics

[tsntx]

links didnt work hold on ill post them


mechelle is my hairdresser and owns her own salon w/ our friend beth who is also ts

[General Disarray]

my British literature professor this semester was transgendered.
to tsvanessa:
You're right, careers in ponrography and escorting are real careers. I've interviewed multiple escorts for a film project, it's perhaps one of the hardest and sometimes degrading, and most rewarding jobs.
Not that I'm considering the profession, mind you.

[tsntx]

guys that only limit their "experience or knowledge" of trans women to a sex-industry based website dont deserve the right to form opinions, make false statements, make uniformed judgements against women they dont know especially when they dont have the balls to make their fantasies, reality. keep opening your mouths and ill keep helping you put your foot in it.

[General Disarray]

guys that only limit their "experience or knowledge" of trans women to a sex-industry based website dont deserve the right to form opinions, make false statements, make uniformed judgements against women they dont know especially when they dont have the balls to make their fantasies, reality. keep opening your mouths and ill keep helping you put your foot in it.
As I have stated in the past on this board, I have transgendered relatives and friends. I agree whole-heartedly with what you have said. Too many people only know about transgendered people from daytime talk shows and the sex industry.

[tsntx]

guys that only limit their "experience or knowledge" of trans women to a sex-industry based website dont deserve the right to form opinions, make false statements, make uniformed judgements against women they dont know especially when they dont have the balls to make their fantasies, reality. keep opening your mouths and ill keep helping you put your foot in it.
As I have stated in the past on this board, I have transgendered relatives and friends. I agree whole-heartedly with what you have said. Too many people only know about transgendered people from daytime talk shows and the sex industry.

yeah and those are the idiots that make stupid claims from 0 to little experience w/ the subject and post them as facts and probably actually beleive their own idiot bs

[General Disarray]

guys that only limit their "experience or knowledge" of trans women to a sex-industry based website dont deserve the right to form opinions, make false statements, make uniformed judgements against women they dont know especially when they dont have the balls to make their fantasies, reality. keep opening your mouths and ill keep helping you put your foot in it.
As I have stated in the past on this board, I have transgendered relatives and friends. I agree whole-heartedly with what you have said. Too many people only know about transgendered people from daytime talk shows and the sex industry.

yeah and those are the idiots that make stupid claims from 0 to little experience w/ the subject and post them as facts and probably actually beleive their own idiot bs
admittedly before my brother came out about having really been a woman all of his life and getting surgery I was one of those people too. Not that I ever watched Jerry Springer.... :oops:

[BrendaQG]

Ok what hits me about all of this talk is how many of you treat being in the adult industry and having another career are totally contradictory, and mutually exclusive.

I myself have done both (escorting and seeking a PhD). God willing in two or three years I will be a PhD. For the time being I have to do what I have to do to make money. I am looking for a legal job now... the first months of summer are the best time for a college graduate to find a god job. If that fails I will still need money. What student loans won't cover I have to.

One of the people in that picture...eating lunch or dinner in Oak Park. Is Maria (http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TSsuccesses/Maria.html)
Another person who has had a job as well as having been an escort.

[tsntx]

Weren't you leaving the forum after 2000 post?

whats the matter bitch cant handle someone calling you out on your bullshit?

and read the thread again douchebag and youll see ...."im not posting after 2000 if some rules arent implemented and things stay the way they are" the rules havent been ironed out yet but they ARE in the works and a lot of things that i didnt like have changed... so like i said above "you keep opening your mouth and ill keep helping you stick your foot in it."

[dc_guy_75]

are there any transexuals with real jobs or professions or do they all live of porn and prostitution?

Most all of the girls I've known have had "real jobs", do you think all t-girls are prostitutes?

Take your question and go fuck yourself.

[buttolino]

was a post-op transsexual who is working as a Nurse here is England. There is a thread with pictures somewhere on this board. Called Leanne Holmes............

[Steve-Russell]

Try this link

http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TSsuccesses/TSgallery1.html

Plenty of successful Tgirls out there

Steve

[TrueBeauty TS]

Try this link

http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TSsuccesses/TSgallery1.html

Plenty of successful Tgirls out there

Steve




Already posted on page one, Champ. But I agree, it's a very good site.





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[odelay24]

Unisex wrote:
Some of them do work. But, they are minority as some of the ladies here pointed out. They are in the Health care market like you wouldn't believe and they in the Retail market for chain stores such as Macy's and Filenes and Bloomingdales. I see a few common ones making their way to work everyday and sometimes on site as well.

But, aesthetically, they aren't on the same scale that you see posted up in the forum. Would make sense if you're only making so much an hour, the womans transition can only move as fast your financial income does.

So, $12 an hour @ Macy's dealing with Irate customers. Or, $350 an hour where she can dominate some bottom boy?

People need think realistically.

tell you what... when you wake up, think realistically, and get off a porn board and open your eyes... ill start to beleive what you say... same goes for "ts jamie" or w/e... just bc YOU do something doesnt mean everyone does, just bc every escort you meet is a transexual does NOT mean every transexual is an escort. just bc you ASSUME every HOT girl is an escort does NOT make it true. just bc you beleive something doesnt make it real or factual... while it may be no secret that i escort here and there as a hobby for the last few months... im in no way dependant or doing it as a profession. i have 2 really good jobs and both pay more then double "$12 @ macys" and one of them happens to put me at macy's often... starting out as a makeup artist for MAC is $16.50... i make a lot more as a national artist and get to travel and go to cool places like movie sets, pro-photoshoots, video sets... etc etc. my best friend rachel is the counter manager for Yves St. Laurent @ Nordrstums where she makes $25+ and my other good friend lexi is a counter manager for Nars @ Neimans and she also makes $25+

do these look like non-passable 40yr old beasts to you? didnt think so. so take your ignorance to somewhere it might not get proven wrong.

*edit* see post below for pics


Thank you! I was going to say the same.

And look, to everyone else. I don't want to judge people.
I will say, though, that money isn't everything; just because selling your body earns you lots of money, it doesn't justify it.

I understand if you need money for medication, hormones or whatever else it is that I have no idea about; You have to do what you HAVE to do.
But to earn the money just because you WANT a trendy car or a big apartment is something altogether different.

Personally, I would always rather being dirt poor and knowing I have not degraded myself, than living more affluently with less respect for myself.

Though, this all depends on wether you consider selling your body as being degrading or not.

[tsntx]

Unisex wrote:
Some of them do work. But, they are minority as some of the ladies here pointed out. They are in the Health care market like you wouldn't believe and they in the Retail market for chain stores such as Macy's and Filenes and Bloomingdales. I see a few common ones making their way to work everyday and sometimes on site as well.

But, aesthetically, they aren't on the same scale that you see posted up in the forum. Would make sense if you're only making so much an hour, the womans transition can only move as fast your financial income does.

So, $12 an hour @ Macy's dealing with Irate customers. Or, $350 an hour where she can dominate some bottom boy?

People need think realistically.

tell you what... when you wake up, think realistically, and get off a porn board and open your eyes... ill start to beleive what you say... same goes for "ts jamie" or w/e... just bc YOU do something doesnt mean everyone does, just bc every escort you meet is a transexual does NOT mean every transexual is an escort. just bc you ASSUME every HOT girl is an escort does NOT make it true. just bc you beleive something doesnt make it real or factual... while it may be no secret that i escort here and there as a hobby for the last few months... im in no way dependant or doing it as a profession. i have 2 really good jobs and both pay more then double "$12 @ macys" and one of them happens to put me at macy's often... starting out as a makeup artist for MAC is $16.50... i make a lot more as a national artist and get to travel and go to cool places like movie sets, pro-photoshoots, video sets... etc etc. my best friend rachel is the counter manager for Yves St. Laurent @ Nordrstums where she makes $25+ and my other good friend lexi is a counter manager for Nars @ Neimans and she also makes $25+

do these look like non-passable 40yr old beasts to you? didnt think so. so take your ignorance to somewhere it might not get proven wrong.

*edit* see post below for pics


Thank you! I was going to say the same.

And look, to everyone else. I don't want to judge people.
I will say, though, that money isn't everything; just because selling your body earns you lots of money, it doesn't justify it.

I understand if you need money for medication, hormones or whatever else it is that I have no idea about; You have to do what you HAVE to do.
But to earn the money just because you WANT a trendy car or a big apartment is something altogether different.

Personally, I would always rather being dirt poor and knowing I have not degraded myself, than living more affluently with less respect for myself.

Though, this all depends on wether you consider selling your body as being degrading or not.

i dont think your statement is fair... if your ok w/ someone selling THEIR body for ANY reason, regardless if its soley to transition/ put food on the table or if its to live a desinger label lifestyle, then you should just leave the statement at that... no stipulations "except when you just want nice things"... bottom line is that is still THEIR body and they have every right to do w/ it what they want and do whatever they want w/ whatever that may bring them beit designer shoes and purses or breast and bread.

[SarahG]

just because selling your body earns you lots of money, it doesn't justify it.

IMO it is a completely legitimate field to work in. Just because it is generally illegal in the US in recent times doesn't mean it is something that needs justification any more or less than any other random job (and before anyone asks; no I am not nor have I ever been an escort).

[peggygee]

I'm going to be un-customarily brief, because I'm on my lunch break
at work.


Some of them do work. But, they are minority as some of the ladies here pointed out.

Either you have drawn the wrong inference, or I am mis-understanding
your statement. I'm not reading in this or any other thread that the
majority of transwomen are engaged in the porn or escort field, but
rather that the majority are in other occupations.



They are in the Health care market like you wouldn't believe

I work for my Regions largest Health Care system in the Information technology field. So, I generally support a lot of systems (70,000 to the network) . There have been more than a dozen occasions where I've dealt with a Transgender woman who was a CNA or HHA or phlebotomy, or Pharmacy technicians ,etc.




People need think realistically.


Meaning, if you think that transgender women are in some full force corporate take over, you're mistaken. It's very difficult to find a job that actually pays a well to do wage or salary. So an alternative such as escorting may need to be chosen.



I think that you may be coming to a faulty conclusion based upon your
interactions with transwomen. You have encountered a dozen or so
on the job, you have perused a porn board, you may have even met
a few in the real world, but I am going to re-iterate that your overall
exposure to transwomen has been somewhat limited.

Tranwoman are a diverse population, with some working in blue, pink,
white collar realms, as well as the sex industry. They work in health,
retail, technology, academia, basically they work where any other person
would work.


But, aesthetically, they aren't on the same scale that you see posted up in the forum.

Meaning, they don't dress up in Highest heels or the most designer outfits, etc if they are coming to work to work. They put on scrubs or what-ever conservative outfit attire they have to. Obviously little detail features give them away on the job. But, what I'm saying is, they don't look like some runway model.

That statement I am going to chalk up to your perhaps not using the best
wording to express your sentiments. If someone is in the industry and
they are doing a photo shoot, they are going to have their hair, makeup,
and wardrobe done accordingly.

Women that are going to their 9 -5 will also dress appropriately to that.

I think where the dis-connect is happening for people is that we assume
that the people that we know in a certain arena are reflective of all the
people in the group in its entirety.

For example if you work in IT, you my mostly know other IT workers,
if you are a cop, you probably know alot of other cops and hang out
with them in your off duty hours.

If you are an transgendered escort, you will very likely know a lot of
other TG escorts. If you frequent TG porn sites, you may erroneously
assume that all transgendered women are escorts.

It is only when you have been exposed to a large cross section of trans
women over a period of time that you may be able to make an accurate
assessment.

There are many transwomen who are off the radar, who live in varying
degrees of stealth, often not even known to other transwomen.

So once again, to re-iterate to you and others, the transwomen you may
know of may either fall into two categories, highly attractive sex workers,
or transwomen who do not pass very well.

However the reality lies somewhere in between.

Well gotta go, have to get back to work. :wink:

[peggygee]

I beg to differ with Peggy - but studies have shown that between 30 and 50% of all transsexuals (M-F) work in the sex industry.

And the "studies" are worthless BS.

And I'd say it's higher than that, more like 70% in many cities.

Others are older folk who transitioned on their jobs as engineers and professors and live this perfect little life.

Not to Diss Jenny Boyland... and the TS doctors and nurses out there, but let's get real. Most non sex worker TS's earn less than $15,000 a year.

Here's a link to a study done in San Diego last year. The ONLY recent definative data. And it's WORTHLESS.

http://www.justatransgirl.com/SanDiegoNeeds.pdf

Read page 40. Out of 136 people interviewed they interviewed 3 sex workers. Can anybody say - bullshit.

Same thing with the studies quoted - one was done in 1998 in SF (TEN YEARS ago), another in Houston where 67 TS's were studied.

67 - out of what? An ESTIMATED 750,000 plus transsexuals in the United States.

If only 30% are sex workers that's a QUARTER MILLION transsexual prostitutes.

Most are young, I'm an anomally. Most have no education and NO OTHER OPTION. Most don't earn what the superstars earn. Most street girls seem to have drug issues.

LE is only interested in putting people in jail for percieved "crimes" executed in private between consenting adults. Nowhere that I am aware of is there any program to help girls get out of the biz and into high paying career jobs.

We had a DR. at the local clinic suggest my partner and I should break up trade in our luxury apt. in the better part of town and get rooms in the San Diego slum where most of the trannies live, and work in some kind of service job - not that we could get hired. THAT's considered support.

If you want to get girls out of the business give them education, training and paths into carear jobs at the median average wage, which in San Deigo is $60,000 a year. Then with TWO incomes they can afford to buy a car, and a middle class house, and take a vacation occasionally and stay at a Holiday Inn instead of the Hilton.

It can't be done at a MacDonalds salary. And in So Cal unless you are latino or other foreign worker you simply cannot get hired. And without experience you can't get into management - and very few places will hire a TS for a management job.

All those great computer science jobs are going to India - or what they do now is they bring the Indians here at 1/2 what Americans used to make. So that's pretty much shot as a career.

I used to make $125 an hour writing database software in 2000 - the same work is now going for roughly $15.00.

My partner and I wanted to open a little food booth at various farmers markets and community events - since nobody is going to hire us. Well, let's see the markets (which can be quite lucrative) laughed at me, told me to call back in a YEAR. I've treid to get us into every festival in the county (about 20). It's always the same, anything that you might possibly be able to do ten people are already doing it, they have years long waiting lists for spots.

We've looked into opening a couple of franchises - one needs $250,000 min the other $750,000. Hell, if we had 750 grand we'd retire and move to the mountains. Even if we could get an SBA loan... I found a great location for a sandwich shop the other day in strip mall in San Diego - where it would be perfect. They want $8,500 a month rent for a space about the size of our living room.

So yeah, I'm a porn actress and a prostitute. And considered a piece of trash by most of the trans "community" who isn't in my field, and the to appease it's fetish, the government spends inordinate amounts of public funds to put me and my friends in jail for the crime of having sex with other adults in private.

Sorry I tend to rant about this stuff. Especially when people without a clue discuss their fabulous lives as transsexual brain surgeons or whatever.

But at least I get paid to have sex with my lover and not too many of you can say that!

Sigh,
TS Jamie

I 'm still reading the study, so I can't comment on it.

250,000 escorts, crikey I think we are approaching market saturation. :shock:

I wonder about your figure of 750,000 transseuxuals. Are you referring to
the total transgendered and gender variant populace, if so, when you get
a chance please take look at these figures

http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=12755&start=0

I'm also gong to have to beg to differ with the 70% figure in the cities.
I may or may not know some or all the same transwomen that you know,
but of the 70% that I do know, they are not engaged in the sex industry.

I would agree that there are many tranwomen that have lead very
sheltered and cloistered lives. And au contraire to some of the
transwomen that you have alluded to, I by no means have lead a
sheltered life.

My roller coaster life has taken me to some heaven like highs and some
hell like lows, literally and metaphorically. During that ride and currently
I have known transwomen from all stratas, like I was telling my good
friend Unisex.

We also agree that there is a problem, we further agree that education
and a decent standard of living would go a long way to rectifying it.

My question though to you or others with a vested interest in this problem,
is how to we go about making that happen.

[TonyDay]

Why make $12/hour at a proper job when one can make $350 hoeing? Hmm the answer comes on many forms.

1. "Working" is illegal, and not everyone relishes the idea of engaging in criminal acts, no matter how it's sugar coated as "victimless"

2. The deeper love of self and pride and respect that comes from being a productive and contributing member of society. The ability to hold one's head high and give a truthful answer when asked "what do you do for a living"?

3. The satisfaction the comes from doing an honest days work and knowing your income does not rely upon being intimate with persons you normally wouldn't give the time of day to on the street. Having those same persons on some level think they are better than yourself, after all you offered yourself to them for money.

There are lots of natural women working in positions that pay very little, by some rationale expressed here they all should go on the game.

The "Madonna/Whore" syndrome is very much still alive, and many men (despite what they may say) do not respect "working girls". They may have relations with them, even go around with them socially, but that is about the extent of things.

As for the trannies, if working was such a picnic, why are many of them so "angry" & "bitter"? Again, if you were depending upon being with several men per day or week for your daily bread, how content would you be? Things might be different if the men all gorgeous young males (of whatever race/nationality that floats your boat). Were polite and showed up to do nothing but make the girl happy, but the reality is far different.

Another thing is the constant stress of daily life engaged in criminal activity. Wondering who knows what, dealing with nosy neighbors, dealing with nasty comments. Or the flip side, people who know your game and want a cut. Doormen, pimps, lazy bfs, what have you can hold a working girl's occupation over her head to get what they want. The girls have little recourse and very little options.

Finally there is probably the incredible loneliness that comes from leading such life. Outside of a circle of people engaged in simliar or other acts, society can be very limited. Even when girls do go out, there is always the chance of being outed not only as a trannie, but as a hooker/sex worker as well. If you think the former changes how people view a person, the later has even more weight.

Get off your high horse buddy.......

And as far as #1 goes, Bill O'Reilly would be proud of you....

[peggygee]

Either you have drawn the wrong inference, or I am mis-understanding
your statement. I'm not reading in this or any other thread that the
majority of transwomen are engaged in the porn or escort field, but
rather that the majority are in other occupations.

Why would it be misunderstanding? I never stated the majority of them escort. I just said, they seem to be minority. In my zip code. Not yours or any others.

There was a few females posters who in the past made a similar statement that the chance of man finding a Transexual for a relationship who does NOT escort was very low. I'll see if I can search on this board who posted it. But, it was posted few times before and no one disputed it. But, when a guy makes the same statement, it's taken as shade.



I stand corrected.

I'm going to blame it on my having a 'blonde moment'. I'm seriously
going to have to cut back on the peroxide, it's seeping into my brain. :lol:

On the point about those other chicas, saying than a man will never find
a non escort for a realtionship, tell them Peggy said they need to broaden
their circles too, and that they can feel free to flame me for saying it.

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/flame5x4.jpg

And finally, you may have a better understanding of this 'thing of ours'
than I thought.

You're picking up the lanquage, and that's no shade. 8)

[justatransgirl]

I 'm still reading the study, so I can't comment on it.

250,000 escorts, crikey I think we are approaching market saturation. :shock:

I wonder about your figure of 750,000 transseuxuals. Are you referring to
the total transgendered and gender variant populace, if so, when you get
a chance please take look at these figures

http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=12755&start=0

I'm also gong to have to beg to differ with the 70% figure in the cities.
I may or may not know some or all the same transwomen that you know,
but of the 70% that I do know, they are not engaged in the sex industry.

I would agree that there are many tranwomen that have lead very
sheltered and cloistered lives. And au contraire to some of the
transwomen that you have alluded to, I by no means have lead a
sheltered life.

My roller coaster life has taken me to some heaven like highs and some
hell like lows, literally and metaphorically. During that ride and currently
I have known transwomen from all stratas, like I was telling my good
friend Unisex.

We also agree that there is a problem, we further agree that education
and a decent standard of living would go a long way to rectifying it.

My question though to you or others with a vested interest in this problem,
is how to we go about making that happen.

Hi Peggy:
The first part of this is a reply to your very valid comments. The rest a continuation of my rant... enjoy. :-)

And not meaning to disrespect anyone I tend to get outspokend on occasion so please give me a break and don't flame me, but make any legitimate comments you may have.

I guess we all sometimes need to vent - and with my last post I was really hoping and trying to open a small business. I've put a lot of time into it, and that guy laughing at me the other day and saying to call back in a YEAR to get on a list for a space, after hearing roughly the same thing 20 other times really depressed me.

As to my quote of a figure of 750,000 TS's in the USA. The quote came from the article on Gender - the cover story for the May 21st NEWSWEEK magazine.

The full quote is the "National Center for Transgender Equallity is between 750,000 and 3 MILLION Americans..." are transgendered.

So concieveably if ONLY 30% are in the sex industry it's a MILLION or more not the 250,000 I referenced! My guess is the reality is much less though.

As for my 70% guess - Peggy, your comment is probably true. As I mentioned it was just my own personal "estimate" for my local area, which is a core city center and the "studies" show between 30-and 50% of all MtF's are in the sex industry. T's seem to concentrate in cities like SF, SD, NYC, Seattle, Houston, etc. So places like Tuscon will probably be far less.

But all the studies except the one linked in my first post are grossly out of date. And that one has flawed data.

How can you do a study and come up with realistic figures and leave out (by their own admission, page 49 I think) up to 50% of the subjects. Then things like medical insurance percentages, etc are skewed. On page 28 for example they report 27% of trans people have no health insurance - but if you left out 50% of the community - most of whom are street hookers - you have closer to 75% uninsured.

So all I'm saying is if we are going to toss figures around at least let's get the RIGHT numbers in the first place. People who don't know the reality get a skewed impression.

You ask how do we change it?

According to many people both on this site, and "mainstream" trans community and the world in general, I'm a sleezy whore, so I'm not sure you will like the rest of this.

But here's what I see...

The "mainstream" trans community doesn't seem to have a clue. I was recently at the Western TS Leadership Conference at USC, where about 250 program leaders and other transfolk were present.

One lady was crowing about a job fair they had put on. And that is great, and I understand that the trans civil rights movement is less than 10 years old (Stonewall notwithstanding) and it IS a CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT. She was proud, they had the police dept, and Northrup and other areospace companies. She couldn't tell me how many people had been hired though.

My guess would be none... because as I told her "half the ts community" has either mental problems or an arrest record or both, and the PD isn't going to hire them, most don't have engineering degrees and Boeing sure isn't going to hire them...

I was told I was too critical. I asked her what she does for work? She's an attorney. She makes her 250 grand a year...

THIS is one problem. Half the community has no clue how the other half lives and doesn't want to know. The half that COULD make a difference doesn't want anything to do with those who really need assistance.

So it falls to either government or non-profits.

Government in the guise of law enforcement wants one thing. To put all sex workers in jail so they can justify their jobs. NOWHERE is there any program that I am aware of to help ensure sex workers are able to successfully transition out of the field. In San Diego, they put girls under 18 in jail for 6 months - while the "johns" walk with a ticket. This destroys the girls future and their self respect and teaches them they are bad people and doing something wrong. Sex, even sex for money is NOT wrong unless you have some sort of religious skewed viewpoint. And sex by the hour or sex by getting married , the guy still pays the end.

There are splintered non-profit groups all over the place, many are getting grant money. But in most places there are virtually NO services. In San Diego there is NO support group (a couple of small grassroots attempts). What there was fell apart.

The local Center drove the young adults out of their youth center a couple of years ago, limiting the center to those under 18 or 20 (I forget). But it's the 20-26 year old group who needs a LOT of support. They are just starting out, often barely making it. My young partner (she was 21) was getting her only meal of the day from the youth center before we met, as were other trans kids. These kids were just told one day they could not longer use the facility.

And then they wonder why kids turn to sex work. Takes a genuis to figure that one out???

A small group of the young adults has since been trying to keep a small support group together. The Center provids them a room once a week, and zero funding. And so what did the gay and trans community do last year - the leader of the group was a prostitute on the side. They found out, gave her an award and kicked her ass out the door. I swear to God. The message sent by our own community is "prostitutes need not apply."

In LA there is the Gender Center, a for-profit business, and in Orange County a very small grass roots group. That's it for TS support in So Cal one of the top three TS centers in the nation.

There is NO support for TS sex workers (that I am aware of).

Here in San Diego there was a $300,000 grant given to a local agency for TG services and god knows where the money went. I've seen their workers handing out condoms at a bar on two occasions... They even gave me 5. giggle... Gee thanks, I'll try not to use them all the same day. (I get them by the case BTW.)

Let's start there:
Sex workers don't need condoms, THEY NEED JOBS, AND JOB TRAINING AND DECENT PLACES TO LIVE.

It's just dumb to expect people with no job skills who can make six figures part time without geting out of bed, to take a menial job at minumum wage. It just isn't going to happen. Youcan make people feel bad about themselves all you want - but sweeties - let me tell you it's a lot more miserable to be unhappy if you are poor than if you are rich. I've been both.

They need nuturing support organizations where they can go consistantly to get help with the various things in life. They need access to counseling - not counseling as happened to a girlfriend of mine who was depressed so her counselor had her locked up on a 5150 (mental arrest) when she opened up about how she truly felt. If you want to alienate and drive people out of the system that's a great way to start. That girl will never trust or go to a counselor again and probably will eventually kill herself.

Sex workeres need EASY access to RESPECTFUL, no hassel, std testing on a REGULAR basis. Here in San Diego we have to use several different clinics as they don't want to test you here unless you are showing symptoms of an std or do an hiv test more than every 3 months.

Then we need... and not just sex workers, but ALL trans people. We need programs funded to assist trans people into careers they are capable of doing. Not everyone is interested or able to attend college. Some want to be car mechanics, or cosmeticians or nurses.

There are programs available, but trans people often don't know about them or have access and many are simply unable to negociate the paperwork required to enroll. Oftentimes these programs are discriminatory and difficult to get into - or lead to industries that are not condusive to transsexuals - welding, construction, etc.

MANY transsexuals are simply not capable of working at all due to medical or mental issues. Those people are mostly covered after drug or suicide intervention they get on disability and have a least a minimal subsistance.

It's the rest who need services and assistance. Especially those in the sex industry and those who are isolated by conditions - I correspond occasionally with a young T-girl friend of ours living in a tiny "company town" in Alaska. I am hoping she doesn't off herself or get murdered by some drunk local homophobe before she is able to get out. She is alone and virtually at one end of the world and well on her way to alcoholisim at age 21.

Many trans people, while they are socially and educationally functional need assistance with things like procurring student loans, they need special assistance in preparing for and obtaining GOOD jobs at a reasonable wage. Negociating the bureaucratic morrass is virtually insurmountable for many if not most people. Just dealing with my partners students loans and college transfer has been damm near a full time job since last fall.

My partner and I do not live extravagantly. Our one car is 5 years old. We live in a moderatly upscale apt. community with a pool, spa and health center, etc. a nice part of town. We enjoy a middle class lifestyle, as do most sex workers I know. But between rent, food, gas, insurance, (no medical - add another $400 a month for that) school supplies, hormones, etc our expenses push $4,000 a month.

We could quit the biz, each get two f/t jobs, Jessica could drop out of school thereby ensuring she never has a chance in life, and just squeek by, until somebody got sick. We wouldn't be in the sex industry but two years ago we were living in a motel, three days from the street. So we did what we did, and we do what we do. And YES, it so happens that for the most part I DO like what I do - jeeze I get paid to have sex with my lover... who can say that. Giggle. But do I want to do it forever? No.

So the first step needs to be acceptance of others by those in our own community (and on this site) who's lives may not corrsepond to others. The trans community demands acceptance, but I've found many trans people to be the most unaccepting people I know.

The second is we need to orgainze groups who can obtain serious grant money to offer services. This money is coming available as we become more visible in the world.

Third we need to develop programs to train and educate and FOLLOW UP with trans folk, on a local and national level.

We also need to continue the inroads on basic CIVIL and HUMAN rights laws and protections. California is pretty good, but the rest of the nation needs to follow. We need to deal with the "real ID" act laws and gender ID and stop jailing people according to their genitals.

We need to be visible in the community and PROUD of who we are.

We need to join together, pool our funds and open trans OWNED businesses.

We need to eliminate the repressive laws that penalize women for having sex.

We need to realize and accept that we are all individuals and we need to be tolerant of each other.

End of rant.

Giggle,
TS Jamie[/u]

[SarahG]

The full quote is the "National Center for Transgender Equallity is between 750,000 and 3 MILLION Americans..." are transgendered.

Woah, but there is a huge difference between transgendered and transsexual... since TG is such a catch-all term.

It was my understanding that this thread was talking about people who have, or in the process of transitioning and employment which IMO is vastly different from the experiences of say, "a normal person in the mainstream" married with kids who cds in the bedroom when no one is home in complete privacy....

I don't mean that as to imply I believe one condition is superior to the other, just that they are different enough to have different impacts on a daily bases (this is a generalization of course). I also am under the impression that cd/tv is vastly more common then G.I.D. and subsequently if we're looking at 3/4 of a mill to 3 mill, the number of strictly TS people will be significantly less than that- probably less than half IMO.

Of course, I also question any statistics that tries to predict how many people are trans given how many people (of both conditions to look at this as a medical standpoint) try to avoid being known as trans (be it a closeted cd/tv or a ts in stealth- or rather trying to be in the illusion of stealth). How exactly did the study arrive at that statistic? Can it be trusted?

[whatsupwithat]

Random thoughts...

When every other escort is a transsexual and transsexuals are only one of every 10,000 (?) people...it creates a perception and perception more often than not becomes reality.

I am waiting for the day when being the most beautiful or sexy is not mutually exclusive from finding cures, getting a pulitzer or nobel prize, being a leader.

More often than not, the most attractive women are not the most attractive.

Change, adapt, have courage. And others will have the courage to change and adapt to you. Don't wait, do.

[whatsupwithat]

The "mainstream" trans community doesn't seem to have a clue.

So the first step needs to be acceptance of others by those in our own community (and on this site) who's lives may not corrsepond to others. The trans community demands acceptance, but I've found many trans people to be the most unaccepting people I know.

The second is we need to orgainze groups who can obtain serious grant money to offer services. This money is coming available as we become more visible in the world.

Third we need to develop programs to train and educate and FOLLOW UP with trans folk, on a local and national level.

We also need to continue the inroads on basic CIVIL and HUMAN rights laws and protections. California is pretty good, but the rest of the nation needs to follow. We need to deal with the "real ID" act laws and gender ID and stop jailing people according to their genitals.

We need to be visible in the community and PROUD of who we are.

We need to join together, pool our funds and open trans OWNED businesses.

We need to eliminate the repressive laws that penalize women for having sex.

We need to realize and accept that we are all individuals and we need to be tolerant of each other.

End of rant.

Giggle,
TS Jamie[/u]

Oh wow. You nailed it!

Bravo!

I so agree with what you wrote above. It's not just about having the programs, it's about following through on the programs and with girls. It's about all of us working together being proud of who we are!!!

If I could, I'd ask you to have my baby!! Who knows, maybe some trans scientist will come up with a way! :)

:claps :claps :claps :claps :claps :claps :rock2 :rock2 :rock2 :rock2 :rock2 :claps :claps :claps :claps :claps

[Kabuki]

The "mainstream" trans community doesn't seem to have a clue.

So the first step needs to be acceptance of others by those in our own community (and on this site) who's lives may not corrsepond to others. The trans community demands acceptance, but I've found many trans people to be the most unaccepting people I know.

The second is we need to orgainze groups who can obtain serious grant money to offer services. This money is coming available as we become more visible in the world.

Third we need to develop programs to train and educate and FOLLOW UP with trans folk, on a local and national level.

We also need to continue the inroads on basic CIVIL and HUMAN rights laws and protections. California is pretty good, but the rest of the nation needs to follow. We need to deal with the "real ID" act laws and gender ID and stop jailing people according to their genitals.

We need to be visible in the community and PROUD of who we are.

We need to join together, pool our funds and open trans OWNED businesses.

We need to eliminate the repressive laws that penalize women for having sex.

We need to realize and accept that we are all individuals and we need to be tolerant of each other.

End of rant.

Giggle,
TS Jamie


I made some similar points when I discussed alternatives to escorting. My points were ignored though :roll: Your rant should be a sticky for all the girls to see.

[whatsupwithat]

The "mainstream" trans community doesn't seem to have a clue.

So the first step needs to be acceptance of others by those in our own community (and on this site) who's lives may not corrsepond to others. The trans community demands acceptance, but I've found many trans people to be the most unaccepting people I know.

The second is we need to orgainze groups who can obtain serious grant money to offer services. This money is coming available as we become more visible in the world.

Third we need to develop programs to train and educate and FOLLOW UP with trans folk, on a local and national level.

We also need to continue the inroads on basic CIVIL and HUMAN rights laws and protections. California is pretty good, but the rest of the nation needs to follow. We need to deal with the "real ID" act laws and gender ID and stop jailing people according to their genitals.

We need to be visible in the community and PROUD of who we are.

We need to join together, pool our funds and open trans OWNED businesses.

We need to eliminate the repressive laws that penalize women for having sex.

We need to realize and accept that we are all individuals and we need to be tolerant of each other.

End of rant.

Giggle,
TS Jamie


I made some similar points when I discussed alternatives to escorting. My points were ignored though :roll: Your rant should be a sticky for all the girls to see.

I agree.

[odelay24]

just because selling your body earns you lots of money, it doesn't justify it.

IMO it is a completely legitimate field to work in. Just because it is generally illegal in the US in recent times doesn't mean it is something that needs justification any more or less than any other random job (and before anyone asks; no I am not nor have I ever been an escort).

I'm not talking about justifying to yourself breaking the law. There's nothing wrong with breaking the law.

I mean justifying it to yourself morally.

But if someone is ok with doing it, then yeah, they should just go for it.

[SarahG]

just because selling your body earns you lots of money, it doesn't justify it.

IMO it is a completely legitimate field to work in. Just because it is generally illegal in the US in recent times doesn't mean it is something that needs justification any more or less than any other random job (and before anyone asks; no I am not nor have I ever been an escort).

I'm not talking about justifying to yourself breaking the law. There's nothing wrong with breaking the law.

I mean justifying it to yourself morally.

But if someone is ok with doing it, then yeah, they should just go for it.

But it i s not illegal everywhere in this country let alone everywhere in western civilization...

[BrendaQG]

Just a transgirl your "rant" was the best thing I have read about this in a long time. Bravo.

[peggygee]

Just a transgirl your "rant" was the best thing I have read about this in a long time. Bravo.

I second that emotion.

I'm hoping to have some thoughts and
feedback imminently, but in the mean time;

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/smiley_handsclap1.gif

Well done!

[GIA LOVES RON]

Hello everyone. I have to say that I have a regular job and nobody knows about it on my work place that i'm a tranwoman. I'm a certified caregiver for seniors. And i'm very happy with my income in terms of my transition. But I have to admit, I have done escorting too and all of those things a year ago. But now that I could actually achieve my goals without escorting, it makes me feel more happy with myself.I feel at peace with what I am doing in this lifetime. I do live a stealth life right now and very happy about it. But I have to say those girls that are there escorting...I salute to their braveness. I myself could not handle that kind of lifestyle and so I decided to let go of that job. :D

[KiraHarden]

I have a great day job and escort as well

www.youtube.com/kiraharden
www.myspace.com/kiraharden

[youcancallmeclaire]

You mean there are people out there who make $12 an hour? I bet they have huge mansions.

Seriously, I'm not an unintelligent person, and when I do work, I bust my ass to do everything efficiently, intelligently, and 100% correctly.

So why do I keep getting stuck with shit jobs? What does everyone else seem to know that I don't?

I mean... where the hell do you FIND jobs that pay more than $9 an hour? Do you have to be in some secret society to know about them?

[peggygee]

You mean there are people out there who make $12 an hour? I bet they have huge mansions.

Seriously, I'm not an unintelligent person, and when I do work, I bust my ass to do everything efficiently, intelligently, and 100% correctly.

So why do I keep getting stuck with shit jobs? What does everyone else seem to know that I don't?

I mean... where the hell do you FIND jobs that pay more than $9 an hour? Do you have to be in some secret society to know about them?

Transfriendly Job Listings (http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=16294&start=0)

And here's the secret handshake.

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/secrethandshake.gif