why do SOME white people think its ok to be racist?

[Solitary Brother]

I have to go on a little rant here.
I know I was the one who JUST told another black person to get over rejection from a non-black tranny but....
I just had an incedent happen and I may try to orginize a boycott(I never thought this would be something I would ever do).
White people are in general ignorant about a lot of the facets of the "black community".
Yet when you camly and articulately try to explain to them they become beligerant.
WHY?
Sometime it just sucks to be black in america.....you are always reminded you are different...people try to put you down in subtle ways.
Racism is just a bitch.

Ok rant over

[Smog Boy]

I have to go on a little rant here.
I know I was the one who JUST told another black person to get over rejection from a non-black tranny but....
I just had an incedent happen and I may try to orginize a boycott(I never thought this would be something I would ever do).
White people are in general ignorant about a lot of the facets of the "black community".
Yet when you camly and articulately try to explain to them they become beligerant.
WHY?
Sometime it just sucks to be black in america.....you are always reminded you are different...people try to put you down in subtle ways.
Racism is just a bitch.

Ok rant over

Well stop voting Bush!!

[hueritofromsoho]

ok, youve pretty much said nothing or nothing new...

but in all honesty, the lil we know about the black community is pretty much what the black community projects, in rap videos and other outlets...and to be quite honest, u cant really blame white people for not loving what they see...sadly, theres so much more (i hope) to the fabric of black america than the filth thats passed off as entertainment and hiphop...but even sadder, is the few black folks who take issue with this portayal of the black community...

so blame the fuckin thugs, not for creating the hate, but for giving racists and assholes legitimate gripes and thus masking the bullshit..I agree. Plus, it makes it seem "okay" to use derogatory language when the most popular (by record sales volumes) rap music denegrates women of color and uses the "N" word. Blame it on the people who continue to live the stereotypes rather than change the images.
Plus...add to the confusion by saying "we want to be treated as equal", BUT we want to be recognized for our ethnicity. HUH? Why have affirmitive action? Why not take the most qualified person for the job? White, Black, Mexican, man, woman, transgender...

Why can't we all just BE and not have stupid shittin' labels? My ex says she's african american...her family is from Cuba. VERY confusing. WHO CARES? I say let's all just be good people and not worry about this crap! The more you bitch about it the more you give it life!

[InHouston]

Young black Americans would do good to look to more positive role models in their heritage. They praise the likes of Tupoc Shakur and rarely appreciate, or even know, the likes of great black Americans like Frederick Douglas who didn’t spew ghetto filth to dupe a generation into believing it’s cool to be an underclass thug. He held his head up and professed with wisdom and eloquence on freedom, dignity and equality, as a fundamental axiom deserved by every human being.

The Hip Hop generation succumbs to the ghetto, and perpetuates racism, with their jailhouse tattoos, pit bulls, spinner rims, gang attire; all of which are most immature and dysfunctional. How does one expect to gain respect from their surrounding society when they portray themselves on the surface as nothing more than a gun-wielding car thieving gangster with a horrible attitude? Frederick Douglas didn’t just rise above the ghetto; he rose above institutionalized slavery, and carried himself with a dignity and soaring mind that far surpassed the white slave owners of the day.

Tupoc, and the likes of him, do not constitute musical talent or poetic genius like most believe them to be. They are nothing more than a scourge of unbridled brat children lining their pockets with millions of dollars at the expense of their own generation. Slavery is now an institution of the black man that oppresses a young and impressionable generation (of every race!) with the servile euphemism known today as Hip Hop.

[tg4me]

Nice job J.
I am not a racist about color, but I am a culture racist. Is that so bad? I'm not a violent person. I dislike EVERYTHING (except their choice of cars)that is ghetto culture. If that makes me a racist, ok. If your white,latin or asian living the ghetto culture it the same thing. I could say the same thing about redneck cowboy culture. Not a thing about it that I like. There is also the "Jackass / J Springer in -your- face bad behaviour culture. Hate it.
What I find so sad is the amount of young people that want to indentify with the above groups.
What is just as bad as the culture is the PC card that says I cannot say anything that offends someone. I don't care if your offended. I'm offended everyday by things around me. It does not give me the right to stop you just because I'm offended. I must live with it.
The tricky part is drawing the line as you get older. After 50 years of observing life, your a fool if you don't let your wisdom pre-judge all that comes before you. As a parent, it is my job to impart my value system to my children. Hopefully, as they grow older and wiser, they will be smart enough to judge whether my value system was on target or totally fucked-up.

[hueritofromsoho]

so why is it "fair" that I as a Mexican male get a job over someone else who has better scores than me? Or why should someone else get a job that I am MORE qualified for?
Oh...and just for clarification..I am NOT Mexican American...I'm just American. And I've heard PLENTY of racial bullshit regarding mexicans from blacks, and mexicans doing the same to asians.

Funny thing is sometimes people SAY it was racially motivated, but it wasn't. Sorry if your car of mexicans was pulled over by a white officer...maybe NEXT time we can schedule a mexican officer to pull you over, etc. And SO WHAT if it's racial?!?! Doesn't it make you the better person for ignoring it and NOT saying anything about it?
If someone strikes you...offer the other cheek.

[Kabuki]

Young black Americans would do good to look to more positive role models in their heritage. They praise the likes of Tupoc Shakur and rarely appreciate, or even know, the likes of great black Americans like Frederick Douglas who didn’t spew ghetto filth to dupe a generation into believing it’s cool to be an underclass thug. He held his head up and professed with wisdom and eloquence on freedom, dignity and equality, as a fundamental axiom deserved by every human being.

The Hip Hop generation succumbs to the ghetto, and perpetuates racism, with their jailhouse tattoos, pit bulls, spinner rims, gang attire; all of which are most immature and dysfunctional. How does one expect to gain respect from their surrounding society when they portray themselves on the surface as nothing more than a gun-wielding car thieving gangster with a horrible attitude? Frederick Douglas didn’t just rise above the ghetto; he rose above institutionalized slavery, and carried himself with a dignity and soaring mind that far surpassed the white slave owners of the day.

Tupoc, and the likes of him, do not constitute musical talent or poetic genius like most believe them to be. They are nothing more than a scourge of unbridled brat children lining their pockets with millions of dollars at the expense of their own generation. Slavery is now an institution of the black man that oppresses a young and impressionable generation (of every race!) with the servile euphemism known today as Hip Hop.

"Some" of the black community is trapped in a cycle. How can you have change when schools in the inner city aren't anything like the schools found in your white communities? They are under funded, and you have variables that affect learning. Guess what? True black history isn't taught in schools. Just because you study Black History every February doesn't mean anything at all. How would young black kids no anything about their history.

Coke and guns didn't originate from the hood people. It's an obvious fact. Violence and poverty is hard on a child. Many children don't make it out, and then they have kids. The cycle continues. They teach what they've learned to their kids. A product of the environment. You must change the environment, but with the current system of government, I see no change. I think there's a better opportunities to get out of the hood now though.

When it comes to rap music, guess what people? White America is funding the industry more then ever. Kids want a quick way out of the hood, and turn to creating music or sports. Why is that too hard to understand? Would you like to live around crack whores, and the violence. Rap is the way it is due to corporate America. Little white kids are obsessed with the music. Look at the statistics about who purchases more of the music. NWA would go on tour, and who could afford a $100 Tour jacket. Little white kids. The heads of the industry are white males. They choose what goes out there. A handful of black individuals run their own companies. Change will happen in the music, when more companies are black owned, and refuse to continue the path that the music is on.

Affirmative action is a joke, and white America complains about it. The reality is that many qualified black individuals still get turned away from jobs. Based on skin color alone. I've seen it happen many times. We live in an age of undercover racism. It's sad.

I don't like the bling generation, but how do you expect someone to act when they come from nothing. The black community hasn't recovered from slavery. Some of the bad values in the community come from slavery days. Slave masters would become breeders. The black male would become a stud, just like a horse. To produce strong black kids who would end up in the fields. So, I'm not surprised by how "some" black Fathers can't take care of their kids. It's a cycle that has never been broken. Look at the history, but that's not what white America will do though.

If anything, the white race has been more destructive then any race in the world. Some radical individuals would say that the white race was like a plague. To give an example, the white race managed to almost wipe out the American Indian. They did wipe out the Indian's soul, and it's sad to see what is left of their community.

The white race has started war after war, and the black individual is the most hated race in the world. Any insight into the accomplishments of the black race is ignored or buried by society. You hear nothing about black scholars from Africa teaching many in Asia. Why does the world like to make you believe that Egypt is not apart of Africa.

Honestly, I could go on and on, because I'm disturbed by the comments so far. I'm not even thinking straight, but I'll drop some solid facts and evidence if questioned.

You may continue to bash black America now.

[InHouston]

bottom line, without certain programs, black people dont have a fuckin chance to get an education or a job on par with white people...
Ha ha! That is hilarious. Why do black people need programs to get jobs, because they’re inferior to white people? You might as well tell them that, because that is what Affirmative Action teaches.

Hey J ... you bought that lie, or justify your low station in life by blaming others for it. That's your problem.

Colon Powell had no problem rising swiftly through the ranks of the military, all the way to the White House, and he did it during the height of the civil rights struggle when black people were systematically discriminated against. When asked how he did it he simply said “My mother taught me that if I don’t make race an issue, it won’t be an issue.”

Racism is your issue J.

[InHouston]

If anything, the white race has been more destructive then any race in the world. Some radical individuals would say that the white race was like a plague. To give an example, the white race managed to almost wipe out the American Indian. They did wipe out the Indian's soul, and it's sad to see what is left of their community.

The white race has started war after war, and the black individual is the most hated race in the world. Any insight into the accomplishments of the black race is ignored or buried by society. You hear nothing about black scholars from Africa teaching many in Asia. Why does the world like to make you believe that Egypt is not apart of Africa.

Honestly, I could go on and on, because I'm disturbed by the comments so far. I'm not even thinking straight, but I'll drop some solid facts and evidence if questioned.


Okay well while you bash white people as the scourge of the Earth, here’s a nice little fact for you that you missed. The majority of Africans slaves were captured, imprisoned, and sold to European slave ships by … guess who … native black Africans!

Look at a map, Egypt is firmly attached to Africa.

And as far as war-mongering white people being responsible for every war in our history, it would do you well to stop generalizing and read world history. You’ll then find that all races of humans have been warring for centuries against each other for resources and territory. I find it ironic that you blame the white man for the world’s woes and wars, when you can easily study Africa today (with all its black people) as one of the most war-torn continents in the world today.

And young black people don’t pursue Hip Hop to rise above the ghetto and the disadvantages of being black in America. They do it because it’s far easier to become a millionaire by pushing some buttons on a drum machine, babble a bunch of nonsensical drivel into a microphone, rather than study, go to college, work hard, and get paid $50,000 a year to live in middle class suburbia for the rest of your life.

Word to your mutha!

[BrendaQG]

Some white people thnk it is ok to be racist because those particular white people are in fact racist. Or as the KKK puts it..They simply love white people more than other races and such.

[werwt22]

bottom line, without certain programs, black people dont have a fuckin chance to get an education or a job on par with white people...
Ha ha! That is hilarious. Why do black people need programs to get jobs, because they’re inferior to white people? You might as well tell them that, because that is what Affirmative Action teaches.

Hey J ... you bought that lie, or justify your low station in life by blaming others for it. That's your problem.

Colon Powell had no problem rising swiftly through the ranks of the military, all the way to the White House, and he did it during the height of the civil rights struggle when black people were systematically discriminated against. When asked how he did it he simply said “My mother taught me that if I don’t make race an issue, it won’t be an issue.”

Racism is your issue J.

LOL Well said.

[InHouston]

Some white people thnk it is ok to be racist because those particular white people are in fact racist. Or as the KKK puts it..They simply love white people more than other races and such.

Brilliant.

[InHouston]

bottom line, without certain programs, black people dont have a fuckin chance to get an education or a job on par with white people...
Ha ha! That is hilarious. Why do black people need programs to get jobs, because they’re inferior to white people? You might as well tell them that, because that is what Affirmative Action teaches.

Hey J ... you bought that lie, or justify your low station in life by blaming others for it. That's your problem.

Colon Powell had no problem rising swiftly through the ranks of the military, all the way to the White House, and he did it during the height of the civil rights struggle when black people were systematically discriminated against. When asked how he did it he simply said “My mother taught me that if I don’t make race an issue, it won’t be an issue.”

Racism is your issue J.

no stupid, who said anything about being inferior? black people cant get jobs without programs cause white people, the ones who GIVE the jobs, wont give it to them, u fuckin retard...

how stupid are u? u realy think a black guy and a white guy have the same shot to get corporate jobs if the government wasnt sticking their nose in to make sure no hanky panky was goin on? any sensible person, even a fuckin racist will be honest and tell u a black guy has no legitimate shot to get the same job an underqualified white guy does...

idiot...

and powell is the exception not the rule moron...why not find 1 ceo of some corporation and prove with that that most ceos in this country are black...hell why not point to dolph schayes and prove that most players in the NBA hall of fame are jewish...ur logic is beyond infantile, its spermlike...

Well ... I was wrong. I thought you were simply misinformed. It actually turns out that you're just stupid. It's alright. The world needs ditch-diggers too J.

[werwt22]

Its hilarious to me how so many people bash hip hop and rap and dont bash alternative or heavy metal around here. Some of you guys have no clue how many deep and meaningful rap/hiphop songs are out there and I could give a few examples but whats the point if you dont listen to it anyway. So many people that dont listen to hiphop are just trying to take it for "face" value, instead of broadening their horizons. Speaking of ignorance in hiphop, how about you take a look at the cartoon Metalocalype and see if you can draw any meaning from the show or the songs.

[tg4me]

More labels.

I like the looks of lighter -skin people in general.
I like thinner girls way more than fat girls.
I don't like cats and dogs.
I don't like white meat as much as dark meat. (turkey
I like white rice more than brown rice.
I don't feel comfortable around retarded people
Old people smell weird
I don't think the job HAS to go to the most qualified. But you must choose between those that meet the minimum qualifications.
History is written by the victors
Most on this website are perverts...and proud of it
Most serial killers are white.
Most cereal eaters are kids. Most kids prefer white milk on their cereal.
socialism doesn't work
Wrestling is fake

[melovembig]

The short story
After spending 8 years in the US Marine Corps serving this country with honor. I came home to start my life and live the american dream. The dream that says we're all created equal and everyone has the opportunity in this country to be what you want to be, and have the things the dreams promises if you work hard and apply yourself. I graduated from college, and went out looking for a job in the bussiness world. Showed up in suit just as handsom as I could be. I got passed over at so many jobs I started to question myself but kept the faith. Until one day the person who got the job sat next to me and wished me luck after a long conversation about our backgrounds and futures. Turns out he was not a college grad, he never lead 60 men into battle, he didn't have a much experience as some of the older gentlemen applying, and he wasn't as well dressed or confident as me. The only thing he did have as far as I could see was the color of his skin. BUT I Don't hate him because him benifited from our system I wished him good luck.
The man standing next to me could be wearing baggie jeans falling off his ass and be rapping about his car and his bitch and I'd think it was stupid but I would still treat him as a man until he proved otherwise.
It's not what you wear or your music or your hair or your attitude even Should we all look alike and dress alike maybe we should wear uniforms. do you think another country would want yellow uniforms instead of pink or can we all just get along
some of you sound like racist who are full of hate and resentment Let it go

[uncutlove]

White people get rejected by the "black community" too, playboy.
Maybe not as much, but enough to notice.
Just get over it.
Its ok for black people to complain about racism, but when a white does, its a joke.
DOUBLE STANDARDSSSSSSSSS

[InHouston]

The short story
After spending 8 years in the US Marine Corps serving this country with honor. I came home to start my life and live the american dream. The dream that says we're all created equal and everyone has the opportunity in this country to be what you want to be, and have the things the dreams promises if you work hard and apply yourself. I graduated from college, and went out looking for a job in the bussiness world. Showed up in suit just as handsom as I could be. I got passed over at so many jobs I started to question myself but kept the faith. Until one day the person who got the job sat next to me and wished me luck after a long conversation about our backgrounds and futures. Turns out he was not a college grad, he never lead 60 men into battle, he didn't have a much experience as some of the older gentlemen applying, and he wasn't as well dressed or confident as me. The only thing he did have as far as I could see was the color of his skin. BUT I Don't hate him because him benifited from our system I wished him good luck.

The man standing next to me could be wearing baggie jeans falling off his ass and be rapping about his car and his bitch and I'd think it was stupid but I would still treat him as a man until he proved otherwise.
It's not what you wear or your music or your hair or your attitude even Should we all look alike and dress alike maybe we should wear uniforms. do you think another country would want yellow uniforms instead of pink or can we all just get along
some of you sound like racist who are full of hate and resentment Let it go

Your lack of punctuation, poor grammar, and Junior High level spelling gleans a hint to me as to why you didn’t get the job.

[tg4me]

First post. Welcome meluvembig'
This is the PC stuff i'm talking about.
If i am an employer and I have a ex-military person that led people, and most likley has a clearance, I will not think of him in the same light as a guy that showed up to a job interveiw with his pants falling down. If you show up to a funeral in a bikini, or have a shaved head with swastika tatooed on your forehead, I might pre-judge your actions as well. That might be enough for me not to even give you a chance.

[BeardedOne]

I never understand why I post to these threads, but conscience guides my fumble fingers across the keys whenever the subject appears.

And I've only had two beers so far, so this shouldn't be overly garbled. :)

>> Your lack of punctuation, poor grammar, and Junior High level spelling gleans a hint to me as to why you didn’t get the job. <<

Minor points, as his overall concept/viewpoint came through admirably. His spelling is far better than some I have seen scrawled across the legal pads of attorneys pleading cases in Federal court and his grammatical skills shine above those of some technogeeks I know that are pulling down exponentialy larger salaries than mine.

Not knowing the individual personally, I can't speak to whether it was appearance, personality, race, or 'Junior High' level spelling that ran against him at his interviews, but I give him points for an intelligent first post. Hell, I think mine was "Wow, nice tits!".

Damn, if these forums are essay contests, I am so royally screwed. :shock:

I keep seeing reference to Affirmative Action. While it seemed like a good idea at the time, all it accomplished was to change the ambient color tone of the American culture. It really didn't provide any kind of viable fix and, in fact, begat an odd little side-effect: Reverse discrimination.

While I am sure that Affirmative Action gave inroads to many people who would not otherwise have been in reach of education and employment opportunities previously denied them (Completely) because of the color of their skin, it's overall effect was nothing more than a mask of true (And continuing) problems.

An example: In the late '70's/early 80's the Boston Police Department eliminated the written exam from the entrance tests for academy applicants. The reason was because too many people of color were failing the test and therefore jeopardizing the department's Affirmative Action quotas.

So, rather than repair a failing education system, the city chose to hire stoopid cops (Not just black, but white, hispanic, etc.). Instead of improving reading programs, English curiculum, etc. which would have raised the bar for =all= students in the city, they chose instead to eliminate one of the intellectual challenges of the position and issue weapons to people that had difficulty reading a STOP sign. :x

In the end, the human race, as a whole, is too fucked up to fix properly. We just have to bind it up with cultural duct tape as best we can and hope that it holds out for the next hundred miles or so.

[chefmike]

So, rather than repair a failing education system, the city chose to hire stoopid cops...

Stoopid cops? Are there any other kind?

[BeardedOne]

So, rather than repair a failing education system, the city chose to hire stoopid cops...

Stoopid cops? Are there any other kind?

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Actually, there are, but it's quite the challenge to ferret them out. :wink:

[Mac_Hine]

because whites are the superior race. we own everything.learn to deal with it.

[Kabuki]

If anything, the white race has been more destructive then any race in the world. Some radical individuals would say that the white race was like a plague. To give an example, the white race managed to almost wipe out the American Indian. They did wipe out the Indian's soul, and it's sad to see what is left of their community.

The white race has started war after war, and the black individual is the most hated race in the world. Any insight into the accomplishments of the black race is ignored or buried by society. You hear nothing about black scholars from Africa teaching many in Asia. Why does the world like to make you believe that Egypt is not apart of Africa.

Honestly, I could go on and on, because I'm disturbed by the comments so far. I'm not even thinking straight, but I'll drop some solid facts and evidence if questioned.


Okay well while you bash white people as the scourge of the Earth, here’s a nice little fact for you that you missed. The majority of Africans slaves were captured, imprisoned, and sold to European slave ships by … guess who … native black Africans!

Look at a map, Egypt is firmly attached to Africa.

And as far as war-mongering white people being responsible for every war in our history, it would do you well to stop generalizing and read world history. You’ll then find that all races of humans have been warring for centuries against each other for resources and territory. I find it ironic that you blame the white man for the world’s woes and wars, when you can easily study Africa today (with all its black people) as one of the most war-torn continents in the world today.

And young black people don’t pursue Hip Hop to rise above the ghetto and the disadvantages of being black in America. They do it because it’s far easier to become a millionaire by pushing some buttons on a drum machine, babble a bunch of nonsensical drivel into a microphone, rather than study, go to college, work hard, and get paid $50,000 a year to live in middle class suburbia for the rest of your life.

Word to your mutha!

I'm not blaming anyone. You misquoted me, looking to be right. There are evil people of every race in this world. I'm tired of blacks being blamed for everything. This trend is the same thing happening to muslims world wide now. And "no", I'm not a muslim.

Africa is the homeland to man by the way. So when you talk about Africa, you talk about your roots as well. I know the history of slavery. It still doesn't make up for anything.

Now you sound like the ignorant one here. Nothing in life is easy. Not too many people succeed in the music industry. You are so incorrect about your statement:

"they do it because it’s far easier to become a millionaire by pushing some buttons on a drum machine, babble a bunch of nonsensical drivel into a microphone, rather than study, go to college, work hard, and get paid $50,000 a year to live in middle class suburbia for the rest of your life."

Some lyrics are quite complex and some are not. Depending on the artist. Think out your statements first. By the way, the average middle class family can't live off $50,000 a year. Try having a house, a wife, cars, and kids. We are on track to not having a middle class in this society. A scary fact, but it may happen.

"Look at a map, Egypt is firmly attached to Africa. " I never said that Egypt wasn't apart of Africa. Please reread what I said or do you just want to stir up trouble.

[Kabuki]

hip hop was referenced by me to point out the degredation of women and the overal nasty gangsta attitude prevelant in most of em which middle white america often uses to reafirm racial bigotry...whatever deep meaning and other bullshit u seem to find in it is irrelevant, as is ur point on heavy metal...

and for the record, i listen to hip hop and think most of it sucks...furthermore, i find it pretty much devoid of any talent...i mean yeah some of it rhymes, but so does dr suess...so if u mean on a deep dr suess level, then yeah it sure as hell is loaded with talent, but on a music level it doesnt touch opera, classical, jazz, country, rock or probably even polka...

for all the alleged genius, i doubt yo yo ma or pavoratti consider tupac a great talent, wheres the same cant be said in reverse...

There is so much talent in hip-hop. I don't know what you listen to. Like all music, there's the good and the bad. There are artists like Common, Mos Def, The Roots...and I could go on and on. I hear a lot of rock that sucks now. Heavy Metal was always a joke in my eyes. A bunch of screaming. How about that for generalization?

[chefmike]

because whites are the superior race. we own everything.learn to deal with it.

In your case, I'd bet that it's your parents who own everything.

Including the basement that you currently reside in... :roll:

[uncutlove]

hip hop was referenced by me to point out the degredation of women and the overal nasty gangsta attitude prevelant in most of em which middle white america often uses to reafirm racial bigotry...whatever deep meaning and other bullshit u seem to find in it is irrelevant, as is ur point on heavy metal...

and for the record, i listen to hip hop and think most of it sucks...furthermore, i find it pretty much devoid of any talent...i mean yeah some of it rhymes, but so does dr suess...so if u mean on a deep dr suess level, then yeah it sure as hell is loaded with talent, but on a music level it doesnt touch opera, classical, jazz, country, rock or probably even polka...

for all the alleged genius, i doubt yo yo ma or pavoratti consider tupac a great talent, wheres the same cant be said in reverse...

You're thinking of Rap. Not Hip Hop.
Hip Hop is a lifestyle as well as a music genre that takes so much talent to produce its nuts.

[ed_jaxon]

A few scenarios

One
A black guy calls a T girl escort and is asked over the phone is he black. He replies yes and she says she doesn't date black guys. Is she racist or prejudiced or neither.

Two
A city offers contracts for bid and has set aside a certain percentage for minority contractors.

Racist, prejudiced or neither.

Three
A white applicant is turned down for admissions to a prestigious West Coast school despite a 4.0 gpa and great community service.
Racist, prejudiced or neither?

Four
Two candidates are up for a job with equal qualifications but the job goes to the one that is more politically connected.

Racist, prejudiced or neither?

My opinions

Scenario One
Prejudiced
Something in her past has brought her to this conclusion. It could be a bad experience or her upbringing but she is entitled to it.

Scenario Two
Neither
In Chicago despite there being set asides, the "powers that be" find ways to ensure that they get the lions share of these contracts through illegal sham companies, that is, companies fronted by a minority but the actual company is non minority. There needs to be something that keeps the playing field level for blacks, Asian, women and others.

Scenario Three
Not sure
Believe it or not this scenario happens to Asians more than whites as their growing numbers are competing for a small number of slots. Legacies are a bigger threat here than minorities.

Scenario Four
Racist
Over the years each community has helped its own. Without outside intervention each community will continue to help their own until acted on by some outside force. Right now whites hold many majorities but that could change in twenty to thirty years.

Bottom line when things happen to you or me that are not right will we perpetuate the injustices on others. That is, pass along the bad we have received or change it and pass along something better.

[crayons]

I only had to read the beginning of this thread to know it would degenerate into a abysmal unfocused mass rant.

Firstly, the hiphop most of you are referencing is NOT hiphop. It is the capitalistic machismo attitude fornicated by corperate companies like Sony and MTV in a desperate attempt to "save the youth". What has happened however is that this brash lie has born itself into a new genre- pop rap. The unfortunate youths that have taken to this ruse now believe this is hiphop music- but it is not- and the very puppets muppetting themselves as rappers are infact slaves not just to themselves- but to corperate ideas which they now bare as their own. Its a forensic force feed lie.

Now the racist tension you have in america today is mostly about ignorance on both parts. You have the blacks that are proud of a culture they are not too sure about, and you have the whites desperately attempting to bridge the tension by understanding the culture which is constantly re-structed and re-designed by the blacks. You also have the Southern (and sometimes Northern) racists that will blame any of their mis-fortune to the blacks they see on tv who represent (unfortunately) a just a portion of the handfully picked muppets in the white man's game.

If I was to judge white people strictly based on what I see on television, then would I be speaking about you? Just is the case that the rappers you see on television do not represent the blacks in urban centers. Some (maybe) but not all.

Pointing the finger because you were suddenly wrong but someone of another race is not rational manner in which to judge an entire culture. Your a victim of your own biggorty. Remember- the judge loves the sophist and favors the liar. Your own words will favor your own ignorance unless you exercise careful reason and temperence next time you think.

[Kabuki]

hip hop was referenced by me to point out the degredation of women and the overal nasty gangsta attitude prevelant in most of em which middle white america often uses to reafirm racial bigotry...whatever deep meaning and other bullshit u seem to find in it is irrelevant, as is ur point on heavy metal...

and for the record, i listen to hip hop and think most of it sucks...furthermore, i find it pretty much devoid of any talent...i mean yeah some of it rhymes, but so does dr suess...so if u mean on a deep dr suess level, then yeah it sure as hell is loaded with talent, but on a music level it doesnt touch opera, classical, jazz, country, rock or probably even polka...

for all the alleged genius, i doubt yo yo ma or pavoratti consider tupac a great talent, wheres the same cant be said in reverse...

There is so much talent in hip-hop. I don't know what you listen to. Like all music, there's the good and the bad. There are artists like Common, Mos Def, The Roots...and I could go on and on. I hear a lot of rock that sucks now. Heavy Metal was always a joke in my eyes. A bunch of screaming. How about that for generalization?

i think thats a very fair generalization, and quite honestly thats what most hip hop sounds like to me..yeah in clubs i can enjoy some songs and giggle at the silly lyrics, but as a whole the genre doesnt impress me from a talent point of view...

as for the retard commenting on whites being superior, i wonder if his form of entertainment is limited to polka and riverdance...or did he just mean superior as in better at abusing and murdering other people and stealing everything in sight...

Club and radio rap is so mainstream and made popular by more then black America. People generalize about rap...hip-hop...whatever...without even trying to see whats out there. I wish these same individuals would try to write a track and produce it.

[Kabuki]

I only had to read the beginning of this thread to know it would degenerate into a abysmal unfocused mass rant.

Firstly, the hiphop most of you are referencing is NOT hiphop. It is the capitalistic machismo attitude fornicated by corperate companies like Sony and MTV in a desperate attempt to "save the youth". What has happened however is that this brash lie has born itself into a new genre- pop rap. The unfortunate youths that have taken to this ruse now believe this is hiphop music- but it is not- and the very puppets muppetting themselves as rappers are infact slaves not just to themselves- but to corperate ideas which they now bare as their own. Its a forensic force feed lie.

Now the racist tension you have in america today is mostly about ignorance on both parts. You have the blacks that are proud of a culture they are not too sure about, and you have the whites desperately attempting to bridge the tension by understanding the culture which is constantly re-structed and re-designed by the blacks. You also have the Southern (and sometimes Northern) racists that will blame any of their mis-fortune to the blacks they see on tv who represent (unfortunately) a just a portion of the handfully picked muppets in the white man's game.

If I was to judge white people strictly based on what I see on television, then would I be speaking about you? Just is the case that the rappers you see on television do not represent the blacks in urban centers. Some (maybe) but not all.

Pointing the finger because you were suddenly wrong but someone of another race is not rational manner in which to judge an entire culture. Your a victim of your own biggorty. Remember- the judge loves the sophist and favors the liar. Your own words will favor your own ignorance unless you exercise careful reason and temperence next time you think.

I like what you had to say. You are are correct on your points.

[Coroner]

To Kabuki:

Heavy Metal a joke? Man, if you laugh about Heavy Metal, you laugh about Blues and you laugh about over 50 years of Rock n Roll history. Rap/Hip Hop will never touch the artificial level of Heavy Metal. What is Heavy Metal for you? Linkin Park? That´s not Metal. Here, this is Metal and I don´t think it´s a joke: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PG2804ggsI0

Rap is ridiculous. It´s all what some folks wrote before me here: pseudo-poetry, one-button-music and eternal stupidity that teaches young black people to stay nothing for their whole life while some neo-slave owners (today also African-Americans) make millions on them. I´m a huge jazz fan and I´m glad there are a lot of great young black Jazz musicians out there like Ravi Coltrane, Reggie Washington or Nicholas Nayton.

Rap is the ultimate way for white racists to categorize black people as criminals. And sure, there are a lot of stones put in the way for black people to get a better life with fair chances, so it leads many young Blacks to Rap. I think black people need to be a community, to help each other and not to act like idiots with that Ghetto crap where they kill each other. You should learn from the jewish people and I think it´s not ok from J to look down like he never had problems in his life and never met someone who said something stupid to him because he is Jewish.

I hate categories. There are good in a super market but that´s it.

I´m sorry if some things could be misunderstood from my text, sometimes I can´t express the way I´d do. English is not my mothertongue.

[TomSelis]

I have to go on a little rant here.
I know I was the one who JUST told another black person to get over rejection from a non-black tranny but....
I just had an incedent happen and I may try to orginize a boycott(I never thought this would be something I would ever do).
White people are in general ignorant about a lot of the facets of the "black community".
Yet when you camly and articulately try to explain to them they become beligerant.
WHY?
Sometime it just sucks to be black in america.....you are always reminded you are different...people try to put you down in subtle ways.
Racism is just a bitch.

Ok rant over

This very thread proves your point.

[Kabuki]

To Kabuki:

Heavy Metal a joke? Man, if you laugh about Heavy Metal, you laugh about Blues and you laugh about over 50 years of Rock n Roll history. Rap/Hip Hop will never touch the artificial level of Heavy Metal. What is Heavy Metal for you? Linkin Park? That´s not Metal. Here, this is Metal and I don´t think it´s a joke: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PG2804ggsI0

Rap is ridiculous. It´s all what some folks wrote before me here: pseudo-poetry, one-button-music and eternal stupidity that teaches young black people to stay nothing for their whole life while some neo-slave owners (today also African-Americans) make millions on them. I´m a huge jazz fan and I´m glad there are a lot of great young black Jazz musicians out there like Ravi Coltrane, Reggie Washington or Nicholas Nayton.

Rap is the ultimate way for white racists to categorize black people as criminals. And sure, there are a lot of stones put in the way for black people to get a better life with fair chances, so it leads many young Blacks to Rap. I think black people need to be a community, to help each other and not to act like idiots with that Ghetto crap where they kill each other. You should learn from the jewish people and I think it´s not ok from J to look down like he never had problems in his life and never met someone who said something stupid to him because he is Jewish.

I hate categories. There are good in a super market but that´s it.

I´m sorry if some things could be misunderstood from my text, sometimes I can´t express the way I´d do. English is not my mothertongue.

Like I said before, many people here only listen to all this mainstream rap . That's all they have to judge things. These same people don't listen to The Roots, Common, or Mos Def. By the way, all these artists don't endorse violence or degrade women. I could write a list of many others. These artists don't get the financial backing like the mainstream artists. Corporate America finances what you here on the radio or in a club.

And yes, screaming over guitars is not music to me. Hendrix is rock. Blues is the origins of rock. I listen to more music then you think I do. I'm well-rounded, and educated.

[crayons]

I like what you had to say. You are are correct on your points.

Thanks. I love your avatar. I think it's pretty :oops:

[Kabuki]

I like what you had to say. You are are correct on your points.

Thanks. I love your avatar. I think it's pretty :oops:

I think you're pretty too :wink:

[specialk]

I have to go on a little rant here.
I know I was the one who JUST told another black person to get over rejection from a non-black tranny but....
I just had an incedent happen and I may try to orginize a boycott(I never thought this would be something I would ever do).
White people are in general ignorant about a lot of the facets of the "black community".
Yet when you camly and articulately try to explain to them they become beligerant.
WHY?
Sometime it just sucks to be black in america.....you are always reminded you are different...people try to put you down in subtle ways.
Racism is just a bitch.

Ok rant over

This very thread proves your point.

I couldn't agree more Tom!!

[Cartman2000]

racism = ignorance

[CORVETTEDUDE]

Solitary Brother started this thread with his rant and hasn't replied to the enormous feedback he got, to this date! Apparently he didn't get the response he wanted.
Blacks want to call Caucasians "Whitey", and eachother the "N" name consistently, yet are offended if a white person uses the "N" name. Maybe we don't like Whitey. Where does it end?
All races have some very poor "Role Models", while each have many tremendous personalities that should be emulated and praised, instead of shelved in lieu of fanatic trash talkers. We each have our own responsibilites to uphold to ensure the proper values and respect for eachother becomes, and IS the "Norm".
We can bitch, or we can act! What's it gonna be? :2cent

[Xenicity]

I'm not sure that I have an answer. It is true there are some who are rascist - often they have the least reason to feel they are superior. I do have some questions. I see on the Web claims that young black males have a very high probability of interacting with the legal system in a bad way. Is this true? If it is true, why is this the case? Are the laws unfair? Do black males not get it that doing a crime is likely to earn you some time? I suppose there could be claims of unfair enforcement, but there does seem to be a high rate of crime within communities that are heavily black - true in the US and most European countries.

Poor schools in the urban community are often decried. But, I note that in many states urban schools get more funds per student than in rural communities. There do seem to be more discipline problems in urban schools and more vandalism in urban schools than elsewhere - why is this?

I notice very often that when things don't go just the way a black spokesman wants, the reason is attributed to racism. I wish I had this ready excuse since most of my problems and disappointments are caused by bald, paunchy white guys too!

Why does the black community align itself almost exclusively with the Democratic Party. Though the Democrats promise them many things they still seem decade after decade to be mired in the lower income strata. The are being passed by dirt poor Asian immigrants and now Hispanic immigrants. Despite the strong alignment with Democrats they highest profile black politicians are Republicans - Rice, Powell, Clarence Thomas. Isn't the most REAL help to the black community as far as role models coming from the Republicans?

Xenicity

[ezed]

I have to go on a little rant here.
I know I was the one who JUST told another black person to get over rejection from a non-black tranny but....
I just had an incedent happen and I may try to orginize a boycott(I never thought this would be something I would ever do).
White people are in general ignorant about a lot of the facets of the "black community".
Yet when you camly and articulately try to explain to them they become beligerant.
WHY?
Sometime it just sucks to be black in america.....you are always reminded you are different...people try to put you down in subtle ways.
Racism is just a bitch.

Ok rant over

Hey, what are you doing tonight? You watching this! You ever think about playing hockey, cause you started a real donnybrook here. You want some popcorn.....? :popcorn

[Kabuki]

its not our fault most blacks are fucking pussy's, and yes most are, and no its not cos of your skin, most blacks are pussy's cos you would rather raise a gun then your fist's.

"Most blacks are pussys"? By the way, most black people don't use guns. They don't say the "N" word or call people "whitey". I swear that some of the people here are VERY ignorant. Please tell me that this is a joke. If not, I'm going to need you to step away from the tv. Stop watching New Jack City, or whatever hood movie you were watching. If every other white person thinks like this, we have a serious problem.

[uncutlove]

You have a swastika in your avatar.

[Quickman]

You have a swastika in your avatar.

Jeezis, that symbol was a sign of good luck far before the nazis used it. I guess eagles are bad too since they used to appear in nazi standards. The nazis copied the romans in that regard btw.

http://history1900s.about.com/cs/swastika/a/swastikahistory.htm

I think you're taking that avatar out of context to make a point. Seems kinda smarmy to me...

[Kabuki]

You have a swastika in your avatar.

It's a sign of good luck in Japan. Adopted by Germany. I think this has been explained to you already. I happen to be in Japan.

[Quickman]

Hmm... I gotta say, this seems like a pretty silly thread, and most of the comments seem waaay off topic for this site.

One redeeming note is that I'm happy to see that more and more trailer parks are getting high speed internet. :) Sorry, couldn't resist, but this thread really has gotten stupid and almost as trite as the am I gay threads...

I'll say this:

"why do SOME white people think its ok to be racist?"

First of all, I think this doesn't really capture the situation described in the original post. It should probably read:

"why do SOME white people think its ok to be prejudiced?"

And from an appropriately more human-centric standpoint:

"why do SOME PEOPLE think its ok to be prejudiced?"

And the answer is that humans tend to think in generalities. Stereotyping is one way that we're able to deal with the vast amount of information that we need process in our lives.

Stereotypes are based on experience. The more experience, the more robust the generalization. Experiences are affected by perception. Thus, it stands to reason that narrow world views perpetuate narrow minded generalizations.

Stereotypes are guides. The danger in accepting stereotypes as canonical data is that without taking into account other information, or formulating a generality based on a sufficient amount of data, any conclusions borne from said generalizations can't be well thought out.

As far as the escort who doesn't like black dudes, she's prejudiced.

But I submit that a little perspective is needed. There are a lot of better ways to focus your energy in terms of dealing with race and human issues than being the rosa parks in the boycot of a single tranny whore.

[ska]

Well I think that racism is still around but it definately works both ways these days. I think its more a location thing nowadays.

I know the south has a bad rep in general about this but I can tell you from first hand experience that here where I live right outside the metro Atlanta area, The racism thing is more Black towards white than the other way around. I am regularly shown "reverse" racisim in my day to day life. I think where ever the majority is thats who's gonna rule the roost so to speak and the minority is gonna feel slighted in some way or the other. I am in the minority so I get slighted and talked down to and pushed aside and regularly done wrong. I don't complain and I normally don't even let it stick with me for long. Thats just life. I know Blacks have it bad in places and the history of the situation leads to what we have now. I assume the ones I live around feel they are getting redemption by treating whites poorly.

I am not trying to argue with the original poster here or anything. Just saying there are two sides to every coin. I don't doubt he felt racism and I don't doubt other Blacks get treated poorly on a daily basis because of their skin color. But the same can be said from whites too. And other colors and creeds. We all get done wrong at times. It sucks but the only way I know to deal with it is to rise above it all and live my life the way I feel it should be lived. treat others how I wsih to be treated and hope they give me the same respect. If it doesn't happen then I try and remove myself from their company.

From a non racsist white person I appoligize for your poor and unfair treatment. I hope you can realise that its not all white people who still behave and act wrong. Maybe in your particular area it is but as a whole I think attitudes and perceptions have changed a great deal from the white community. Just remember that everywhere you go someone is being treated poor and unfair and its not always blacks.

Take care

[Kabuki]

Well I think that racism is still around but it definately works both ways these days. I think its more a location thing nowadays.

I know the south has a bad rep in general about this but I can tell you from first hand experience that here where I live right outside the metro Atlanta area, The racism thing is more Black towards white than the other way around. I am regularly shown "reverse" racisim in my day to day life. I think where ever the majority is thats who's gonna rule the roost so to speak and the minority is gonna feel slighted in some way or the other. I am in the minority so I get slighted and talked down to and pushed aside and regularly done wrong. I don't complain and I normally don't even let it stick with me for long. Thats just life. I know Blacks have it bad in places and the history of the situation leads to what we have now. I assume the ones I live around feel they are getting redemption by treating whites poorly.

I am not trying to argue with the original poster here or anything. Just saying there are two sides to every coin. I don't doubt he felt racism and I don't doubt other Blacks get treated poorly on a daily basis because of their skin color. But the same can be said from whites too. And other colors and creeds. We all get done wrong at times. It sucks but the only way I know to deal with it is to rise above it all and live my life the way I feel it should be lived. treat others how I wsih to be treated and hope they give me the same respect. If it doesn't happen then I try and remove myself from their company.

From a non racsist white person I appoligize for your poor and unfair treatment. I hope you can realise that its not all white people who still behave and act wrong. Maybe in your particular area it is but as a whole I think attitudes and perceptions have changed a great deal from the white community. Just remember that everywhere you go someone is being treated poor and unfair and its not always blacks.

Take care

You are certainly correct.

[werwt22]

LMAO Man there are so many ignorant people here. I mean c'mon man....wtf is up with some of these comments. LOL it's funny how much covert racism I see thats coming from a few of the regular members of this forum.

[Solitary Brother]

Let me give you specifics.........
I was listening to a radio show in which a white talk show host was dicussing the James Brown death and funeral.
He expressed the opinion that the whole funeral arangement was macabe and that the corpse was "on tour" and said severla deregatory thinks about blacks in general.
Mind you ex-president Ford has also just died.
So i told him that first of all black people care WAY more about JAMES BROWN and that he was more than a singer but a cultural and political figure.
This particular talk show host is gay and goes on and on about his lover who died of AIDS several years ago.
In light of the fact that president FORD has just died and his body was "on tour" the fact that he made these comments seemed racist to me.
More background:
This host was repremanded a few weeks earlier for you the word "nigger" over and over again.
There 2 other black callers right after me that said the same thing I did.
This particular host claims he knows ALL about black people and the ghetto(so insulting....I cant stand grey girls AND grey boys but I digress).
Black people grieve differently than white folk.
Thats just a fact.
White people are QUICK to toss the body into the ground......black folk generally no.
Thats what I meant when I started this doomed thread.
Even though i have lived in america my whole life and have been around white people my whole life I am not an expert on being white.
WHITE FOLKS ARE.
Conversely NO WHITE PERSON is an expert on blackness.......sorry
When people who know explain things to you it would behuve you to listen.

[uncutlove]

You have a swastika in your avatar.

Jeezis, that symbol was a sign of good luck far before the nazis used it. I guess eagles are bad too since they used to appear in nazi standards. The nazis copied the romans in that regard btw.

http://history1900s.about.com/cs/swastika/a/swastikahistory.htm

I think you're taking that avatar out of context to make a point. Seems kinda smarmy to me...

I know that it was used as good luck, kid. You're not educating anybody. I was just saying, if you ask 90% of the people in the world what a swastika stands for, theyre not gonna say "good luck" Hate to break it to you.

[uncutlove]

I think this has been explained to you already.


You thought wrong, because I knew of this like 10 years ago.

[hellf]

Well stop voting Bush!!

Yeah! :wink:

[sucka4chix]

God and racism always bring out the best (and worst) in this forum.

(I):The simple truth is anti-Black racism will never die in America. You can speak about other peoples, but the disdain for the Black race is unique. Part of it deals with the way Blacks were brought over here, as animals seen as less than human, alot of it is fear, and admit it or not, alot of it is envy!
The greatest most liberal tree hugging white person will always have a line of demarcation (usually the OJ Simpson trial).

(II):The "PC" movement has done much to ruin America--- it is ok to get upset at something or someone and you don't have to accept all behavior in the name of tolerance. We don't have to be tolerant of everything---everything is not good.The gangsta/ghetto/thug movement in America should be denounced and dealt with; in that sense the white people are the real "pussies", shunning their resposibilities of putting down this domestic terrorism. The problem is white people don't differentiate types of black people (it was Chris Rock who said "love me some black people, hate me some niggas"). Black people don't like the ghetto thug with the blaring vulgar music,29" rims on 24" car that can't spell "job" anymore than anyone else.

(III):Although hip-hop in general sucks these days and I believe it is truly one of the causes of a generation of young black people being lost, taken as a whole and looked at over it's entire history, it is a viable art form with many TALENTED ARTISTS. I defy any rap hater to make just one rap song that anyone would want to listen to. And if you think heavy metal is an art form you know nothing about music---most of the songs use 3 chords max. It is truly sad however that whenever you see an awards show these days, you know the black artist that performs is simply going to grab a mic--never an instrument anymore...Oh, and Tupac was very talented, anyone who doesn't think so doesn't know anything about him--- he was just conflicted and got caught up in the "street cred" thing. A quick perusal of his songs shows he goes from sensitve and thought provoking to juvenile and simply commercial. So don't talk about things you don't know.

[Smog Boy]

You have a swastika in your avatar.

Jeezis, that symbol was a sign of good luck far before the nazis used it. I guess eagles are bad too since they used to appear in nazi standards. The nazis copied the romans in that regard btw.

http://history1900s.about.com/cs/swastika/a/swastikahistory.htm

I think you're taking that avatar out of context to make a point. Seems kinda smarmy to me...

I know that it was used as good luck, kid. You're not educating anybody. I was just saying, if you ask 90% of the people in the world what a swastika stands for, theyre not gonna say "good luck" Hate to break it to you.

Actually the Nazi's took a symbol of good luck from Eastern Europe and REVERSED it, that is the Swastika. Be careful of your left and right.

[Coroner]

God and racism always bring out the best (and worst) in this forum.

(I):The simple truth is anti-Black racism will never die in America. You can speak about other peoples, but the disdain for the Black race is unique. Part of it deals with the way Blacks were brought over here, as animals seen as less than human, alot of it is fear, and admit it or not, alot of it is envy!
The greatest most liberal tree hugging white person will always have a line of demarcation (usually the OJ Simpson trial).

(II):The "PC" movement has done much to ruin America--- it is ok to get upset at something or someone and you don't have to accept all behavior in the name of tolerance. We don't have to be tolerant of everything---everything is not good.The gangsta/ghetto/thug movement in America should be denounced and dealt with; in that sense the white people are the real "pussies", shunning their resposibilities of putting down this domestic terrorism. The problem is white people don't differentiate types of black people (it was Chris Rock who said "love me some black people, hate me some niggas"). Black people don't like the ghetto thug with the blaring vulgar music,29" rims on 24" car that can't spell "job" anymore than anyone else.

(III):Although hip-hop in general sucks these days and I believe it is truly one of the causes of a generation of young black people being lost, taken as a whole and looked at over it's entire history, it is a viable art form with many TALENTED ARTISTS. I defy any rap hater to make just one rap song that anyone would want to listen to. And if you think heavy metal is an art form you know nothing about music---most of the songs use 3 chords max. It is truly sad however that whenever you see an awards show these days, you know the black artist that performs is simply going to grab a mic--never an instrument anymore...Oh, and Tupac was very talented, anyone who doesn't think so doesn't know anything about him--- he was just conflicted and got caught up in the "street cred" thing. A quick perusal of his songs shows he goes from sensitve and thought provoking to juvenile and simply commercial. So don't talk about things you don't know.

Hey, you won´t see Heavy Metal on TV these days. Heavy Metal is no shitty three chords crap. What you see today on MTV is the so-called Nu Metal that has nothing to do with True Metal. Check out bands like Symphony X, Nocturnus, Atheist, Destruction, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Cacophony or Racer X and tell me then that Heavy Metal is no art. Like Rock N Roll, Heavy Metal is a part of the Blues evolution. Papa Roach or Linkin Park ain´t Metal bands, dude. They are casting bands, formed to entertain some "depressive" youngsters who think they should kill themselves because their family is fucked up.

[specialk]

God and racism always bring out the best (and worst) in this forum.

(I):The simple truth is anti-Black racism will never die in America. You can speak about other peoples, but the disdain for the Black race is unique. Part of it deals with the way Blacks were brought over here, as animals seen as less than human, alot of it is fear, and admit it or not, alot of it is envy!
The greatest most liberal tree hugging white person will always have a line of demarcation (usually the OJ Simpson trial).

(II):The "PC" movement has done much to ruin America--- it is ok to get upset at something or someone and you don't have to accept all behavior in the name of tolerance. We don't have to be tolerant of everything---everything is not good.The gangsta/ghetto/thug movement in America should be denounced and dealt with; in that sense the white people are the real "pussies", shunning their resposibilities of putting down this domestic terrorism. The problem is white people don't differentiate types of black people (it was Chris Rock who said "love me some black people, hate me some niggas"). Black people don't like the ghetto thug with the blaring vulgar music,29" rims on 24" car that can't spell "job" anymore than anyone else.

(III):Although hip-hop in general sucks these days and I believe it is truly one of the causes of a generation of young black people being lost, taken as a whole and looked at over it's entire history, it is a viable art form with many TALENTED ARTISTS. I defy any rap hater to make just one rap song that anyone would want to listen to. And if you think heavy metal is an art form you know nothing about music---most of the songs use 3 chords max. It is truly sad however that whenever you see an awards show these days, you know the black artist that performs is simply going to grab a mic--never an instrument anymore...Oh, and Tupac was very talented, anyone who doesn't think so doesn't know anything about him--- he was just conflicted and got caught up in the "street cred" thing. A quick perusal of his songs shows he goes from sensitve and thought provoking to juvenile and simply commercial. So don't talk about things you don't know.

Well you got me right out of the box with this post.......but you lost me just as quick.

Your opening thoughts.."The simple truth is anti-Black racism will never die in America." I agree with in totality. I think most of what you said after that is way off base. OK, the slave perspective has some truth to it...but the envy????I don't get that.

Part II is so off gthe wall I don't know where to begin. You really lost me with your so-called musical expertice. I don't have a problem with any music form...some have great examples, as well as some crap. When you claimed heavy metal..which I don't have at the top of my play list, has only 3 chords max...I knew you didn't know much about music. Consider that Rock, Country, and Blues are based around 3 chords in most cases, what does chord quantity have to do with whether a song is good or not. I've come across a few great songs with less than 3 chords,( in my 30 yrs. of playing music) and some cool songs based around 1 thumping note repeated over and over, and embellished with a good hook and lyrics. No one disputes the roots of The Blues is black slaves in America, yet I find it a very expressive music form, mostly 3 chords too!!

Perhaps You should take some of your own advice.." So don't talk about things you don't know."

[BeardedOne]

I know that it was used as good luck, kid. You're not educating anybody. I was just saying, if you ask 90% of the people in the world what a swastika stands for, theyre not gonna say "good luck" Hate to break it to you.

Sadly true, unless the 90% you ask are Hindu or Asian.

That damned Hitler, ruined the Swastika and the Oliver Hardy mustache look for the rest of eternity. :smh

[specialk]

God and racism always bring out the best (and worst) in this forum.

(I):The simple truth is anti-Black racism will never die in America. You can speak about other peoples, but the disdain for the Black race is unique. Part of it deals with the way Blacks were brought over here, as animals seen as less than human, alot of it is fear, and admit it or not, alot of it is envy!
The greatest most liberal tree hugging white person will always have a line of demarcation (usually the OJ Simpson trial).

(II):The "PC" movement has done much to ruin America--- it is ok to get upset at something or someone and you don't have to accept all behavior in the name of tolerance. We don't have to be tolerant of everything---everything is not good.The gangsta/ghetto/thug movement in America should be denounced and dealt with; in that sense the white people are the real "pussies", shunning their resposibilities of putting down this domestic terrorism. The problem is white people don't differentiate types of black people (it was Chris Rock who said "love me some black people, hate me some niggas"). Black people don't like the ghetto thug with the blaring vulgar music,29" rims on 24" car that can't spell "job" anymore than anyone else.

(III):Although hip-hop in general sucks these days and I believe it is truly one of the causes of a generation of young black people being lost, taken as a whole and looked at over it's entire history, it is a viable art form with many TALENTED ARTISTS. I defy any rap hater to make just one rap song that anyone would want to listen to. And if you think heavy metal is an art form you know nothing about music---most of the songs use 3 chords max. It is truly sad however that whenever you see an awards show these days, you know the black artist that performs is simply going to grab a mic--never an instrument anymore...Oh, and Tupac was very talented, anyone who doesn't think so doesn't know anything about him--- he was just conflicted and got caught up in the "street cred" thing. A quick perusal of his songs shows he goes from sensitve and thought provoking to juvenile and simply commercial. So don't talk about things you don't know.

Well you got me right out of the box with this post.......but you lost me just as quick.

Your opening thoughts.."The simple truth is anti-Black racism will never die in America." I agree with in totality. I think most of what you said after that is way off base. OK, the slave perspective has some truth to it...but the envy????I don't get that.

Part II is so off gthe wall I don't know where to begin. You really lost me with your so-called musical expertice. I don't have a problem with any music form...some have great examples, as well as some crap. When you claimed heavy metal..which I don't have at the top of my play list, has only 3 chords max...I knew you didn't know much about music. Consider that Rock, Country, and Blues are based around 3 chords in most cases, what does chord quantity have to do with whether a song is good or not. I've come across a few great songs with less than 3 chords,( in my 30 yrs. of playing music) and some cool songs based around 1 thumping note repeated over and over, and embellished with a good hook and lyrics. No one disputes the roots of The Blues is black slaves in America, yet I find it a very expressive music form, mostly 3 chords too!!

Perhaps You should take some of your own advice.." So don't talk about things you don't know."

[BeardedOne]

Double post.

Damn! Don't you just hate that? :oops:

[BrendaQG]

I have notied what Solitary brother was talking about. There is a radio host here who acts just the same way. He is not gay, just 1/3 jewish :-? and likes to play up how he is just a plain old "doughey white boy". He has this one caller named Clyde who is a black person in real life. He calls in and just acts to ignorant. Solitary brother what you have to realize is that all they are trying to do is sound controversial. One way to do that is to offend minorities.

As for why some whites think it's ok to be racist as I said it is because those particular whites are in fact racist. Those who are not do not think it is acceptable to discriminate by race.

[tg4me]

on your 1st point
I- racism will never die throughtout the world and it not just black. I will admit that black males in particular have it hard in the USA.
I love Chris Rock's "How many of you would want to be me..and I'm rich," routine.
Ugly people, poor people and fat people also have it hard.
So many times I see a fat black t-girl, posted here. I don't think she ugly because she's black. It's because she's fat! I know what ugly is and I know what fat is. I'm BOTH. But I'm not calling myself a model either. Halle Barry?, Kiran Chetry from fox news? Amazing!! Stick a penis on them and I'll jump at the chance to say they are pretty. But so often I see posters say that most of us only like euro-looking white girls. We have something against black t-girls. I have something against ANY t-girl that is bigger than a size 36 top or bottom measurements.

Maybe the flaming left-wing whacko's draws the line at OJ because in their heart they know he was guilty. What surprises me is just how many 'black people" draw the line @ defending OJ. OJ is a hero, but C. Powell is a sellout- amazing.

II- I said I did not like Ghetto culture, not black people. While you seem to be able to draw the line, many would say that I'm racist because I look down upon that culture. I will admit to being a culture racist.

III - Hip-hop is to music, like Cheerleading is to poetry. I don't like poetry for the most part. And for me Disco or Heavy metal Hair bands were not any better than Hiphop or rap. They should be allowed to exist...but just because I dislike the whole style and concept doesn't mean I'm racist.

Why do so many blacks have a disdain for Bill Cosby and his remarks ?

I realize this forum is a very left-thinking group for the most part, and I share many of those belief's as a Libertarian. I know you were not 'only' addressing me in your remarks and some of this response is not directed 'only' at you either.
I'm just throwing it all out there until someone post more pretty thin, flat stomach, T-girls to oggle over.

[Quickman]

You have a swastika in your avatar.

Jeezis, that symbol was a sign of good luck far before the nazis used it. I guess eagles are bad too since they used to appear in nazi standards. The nazis copied the romans in that regard btw.

http://history1900s.about.com/cs/swastika/a/swastikahistory.htm

I think you're taking that avatar out of context to make a point. Seems kinda smarmy to me...

I know that it was used as good luck, kid. You're not educating anybody. I was just saying, if you ask 90% of the people in the world what a swastika stands for, theyre not gonna say "good luck" Hate to break it to you.
Since you've said nothing new, I'll reiterate:

I think you're taking that avatar out of context to make a point.

Can't you just state the facts about what you believe without making spurious accusations?

I don't think that 90% of people looking at that avatar (including you) would jump to the conclusion that it endorses the NAZI movement. That is what you're implying, isn't it? You're just trying to misdirect and refocus the topic of discussion and I called you on it.

Since nothing you've said so far contradicts or even challenges my assertion, I repeat: It seems really smarmy to me...

[uncutlove]

You have a swastika in your avatar.

Jeezis, that symbol was a sign of good luck far before the nazis used it. I guess eagles are bad too since they used to appear in nazi standards. The nazis copied the romans in that regard btw.

http://history1900s.about.com/cs/swastika/a/swastikahistory.htm

I think you're taking that avatar out of context to make a point. Seems kinda smarmy to me...

I know that it was used as good luck, kid. You're not educating anybody. I was just saying, if you ask 90% of the people in the world what a swastika stands for, theyre not gonna say "good luck" Hate to break it to you.
Since you've said nothing new, I'll reiterate:

I think you're taking that avatar out of context to make a point.

Can't you just state the facts about what you believe without making spurious accusations?

I don't think that 90% of people looking at that avatar (including you) would jump to the conclusion that it endorses the NAZI movement. That is what you're implying, isn't it? You're just trying to misdirect and refocus the topic of discussion and I called you on it.

Since nothing you've said so far contradicts or even challenges my assertion, I repeat: It seems really smarmy to me...

I made a simple observation and you're blowing it out or proportion. Bravo!

[templek]

Maybe the flaming left-wing whacko's draws the line at OJ because in their heart they know he was guilty. What surprises me is just how many 'black people" draw the line @ defending OJ. OJ is a hero, but C. Powell is a sellout- amazing.

I attended a seminar on the OJ trial and that point was discussed. Both blacks as well as whites believe he was probably guilty. Wheras Tyson was probably innoncent. However many rich men have gotten off with murder. Didnt Brando's son got a light sentence for killing someone? They have the top lawyers to help them and you dont see many rich men on death row.

When OJ was arrested the media assumed he was guilty and played up the stereotyping, when OJ was a hero to white america and didnt endear himself to the 'black community'. His lawyers tore apart the prosecution and exposed racism and corruption of the LAPD. Remember Mark Fuhrman pleaded the 5th amendment when asked if he planted evidence in the case. Innoncent black men would have fallen victim to cops like him who act like that because the others, black and white allow them to

[sucka4chix]

Well you got me right out of the box with this post.......but you lost me just as quick.

Your opening thoughts.."The simple truth is anti-Black racism will never die in America." I agree with in totality. I think most of what you said after that is way off base. OK, the slave perspective has some truth to it...but the envy????I don't get that.

Part II is so off gthe wall I don't know where to begin. You really lost me with your so-called musical expertice. I don't have a problem with any music form...some have great examples, as well as some crap. When you claimed heavy metal..which I don't have at the top of my play list, has only 3 chords max...I knew you didn't know much about music. Consider that Rock, Country, and Blues are based around 3 chords in most cases, what does chord quantity have to do with whether a song is good or not. I've come across a few great songs with less than 3 chords,( in my 30 yrs. of playing music) and some cool songs based around 1 thumping note repeated over and over, and embellished with a good hook and lyrics. No one disputes the roots of The Blues is black slaves in America, yet I find it a very expressive music form, mostly 3 chords too!!

Perhaps You should take some of your own advice.." So don't talk about things you don't know."
OK valid points, but let me clarify myself. I also listen to and like many types of music and the point I was trying to make was that making a metal song is no harder to make than a rap song--the skill set is just different. Yes you can make a GOOD song with 3 chords, just like you can make a good rap song with one beat looped over and over. But neither one screams talent. And just because you can sell a record doesn't mean you have alot of talent musically. Plenty of bands have made plenty of money with guys who have not mastered their instruments. The most talented musicians are typically the ones in the studios or the ones you see who play on the metal albums for the money, but play more challenging and artistic styles of guitar otherwise.Any guitarist can turn up the distortion and make metal. it's the ones who can turn it off and still make music that impress me.
(And I apologize for hijacking this thread)

[sucka4chix]

Hey, you won´t see Heavy Metal on TV these days. Heavy Metal is no shitty three chords crap. What you see today on MTV is the so-called Nu Metal that has nothing to do with True Metal. Check out bands like Symphony X, Nocturnus, Atheist, Destruction, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Cacophony or Racer X and tell me then that Heavy Metal is no art. Like Rock N Roll, Heavy Metal is a part of the Blues evolution. Papa Roach or Linkin Park ain´t Metal bands, dude. They are casting bands, formed to entertain some "depressive" youngsters who think they should kill themselves because their family is fucked up.
Who said anything about watching MTV, they don't show music of any kind? Heavy metal is not part of the evolution of blues but a digression. Who would suggest Linkin Park was metal? You seem bitter that these groups got alot of attention. You don't have to hate everything that's not your precious heavy metal.Expand your horizons.

[sucka4chix]

Maybe the flaming left-wing whacko's draws the line at OJ because in their heart they know he was guilty. What surprises me is just how many 'black people" draw the line @ defending OJ. OJ is a hero, but C. Powell is a sellout- amazing.

For the record, OJ WAS a hero... when he was a running back. Every little kid playing football wanted to be OJ, just like kids playing basketball wanted to be Jordan. That's the extent of his heroism.
Colin Powell WAS a sellout--- even he knew it and got tired of it. That's why he was "kicked off the team".
And I could care less if OJ was innocent or guilty, the fact is he did what rich white men have been doing for years without much ado--- he got the best justice money could buy.

[tg4me]

And that's where the big divide is. OJ was a hero, but is now a scumbag. I don't have a problem with him beating the system. They put the LA police on trial and won. I have a problem with those that STILL call him a hero. Tell me he's guilty and walked, I can except and agree with you. Tell me he didn't do it and I lose respect for your ability to reason.



Rich White people do it all the time? What's that all about?

Mr. Powell was a hero because of his value system, hard work and leadership abilites that took him to top. He left because of his convictions. He remains a hero in my book for that reason.

[Coroner]

Hey, you won´t see Heavy Metal on TV these days. Heavy Metal is no shitty three chords crap. What you see today on MTV is the so-called Nu Metal that has nothing to do with True Metal. Check out bands like Symphony X, Nocturnus, Atheist, Destruction, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Cacophony or Racer X and tell me then that Heavy Metal is no art. Like Rock N Roll, Heavy Metal is a part of the Blues evolution. Papa Roach or Linkin Park ain´t Metal bands, dude. They are casting bands, formed to entertain some "depressive" youngsters who think they should kill themselves because their family is fucked up.
Who said anything about watching MTV, they don't show music of any kind? Heavy metal is not part of the evolution of blues but a digression. Who would suggest Linkin Park was metal? You seem bitter that these groups got alot of attention. You don't have to hate everything that's not your precious heavy metal.Expand your horizons.

Metal is not the only music I listen to. Jazz, Classic, Flamenco and Cuban music are important to me like Metal.

I´m not bitter about the fame of mentioned "Nu Metal" bands. They are trend-bands and people who listen to them are the sort of ppl that change their music taste every season. I can´t take these people seriously.

[sucka4chix]

Then I'm sure you have alot of respect for Steve Stevens-- a guy who can play hard rock if need be, but is one of the foremost flamenco guitarist in the world. He's a talented artist to me.
(BTW, my beef wasn't w/ you but with people putting down a genre of music that they could never perform simply because they don't "get it", and the condescending attitudes of said people. To feebly segue back into original thread, this is the essence of prejudice:People don't like something or someone they don't understand or have little experience with (ignorance))
Ok, so maybe my beef was w/ you.

[loki]

I'm sorry if i offend anyone.But picture this,a white man walks down the street with a t-shirt that says "white pride" or "it's a white thing you wouldn't understand".Or any number of white pride symbols or phrases(not nazi).What would your reaction be?Most would assume he is a racist.We are the only race on the planet who are demonized when we show pride in our race.And god forbid we claim to be the victim of discrimination whether it be trying to get into college or being attacked or defending ourselves.So on to the REAL question.Why are whites the only ones it's socially acceptable to demonize and badmouth.

[werwt22]

I'm sorry if i offend anyone.But picture this,a white man walks down the street with a t-shirt that says "white pride" or "it's a white thing you wouldn't understand".Or any number of white pride symbols or phrases(not nazi).What would your reaction be?Most would assume he is a racist.We are the only race on the planet who are demonized when we show pride in our race.And god forbid we claim to be the victim of discrimination whether it be trying to get into college or being attacked or defending ourselves.So on to the REAL question.Why are whites the only ones it's socially acceptable to demonize and badmouth.

That's not a white thing...It's a KKK thing. "White Power", isn't that the KKK motto. Secondly white men's reputation is shot as far as racism goes...history proves that one.

[beatmaker]

White people get rejected by the "black community" too, playboy.
Maybe not as much, but enough to notice.
Just get over it.
Its ok for black people to complain about racism, but when a white does, its a joke.
DOUBLE STANDARDSSSSSSSSS

See, this comment by Uncutlove is the epitome of ridiculousness and lack of insight. It's like the 16 year old kid who thinks he knows everything and pisses away his life, then when he gets in his 40's and hits rock bottom, he realizes he didn't know shyt and wallows in regret and what I should have dones. Uncutlove, you are speaking from a position of ignorance, as you've never walked a day in a black man's shoes and probably have not read one solitary book on the topic of institutionalized racism or global white supremacy. Therefore, you speak from a position of weakness. I pretty much have a small library of these topics and some of my best reads, were books written by whites who took the time to do the research and not live in this "blacks are racist too" denial cloud, that is popular amongst many whites today. Let me preface by saying, I don't cosign on ANYBODY treating someone poorly based on their skin color, even my fellow black people. So, let's get that straight and out of the way. However, comparing some white guy getting nasty looks from the brothers at a club, because he walked in with a fine black women is not the same as a black man or woman working for a company for 30 years busting their ass, being a loyal company man/woman only to have white person after white person ascend up the corporate ladder, while their stuck in some glorified entry level position. This is what "real racism" is folks! Or a young man like Sean Bell in NYC, who was working as an electrician, about to get married and raise his family together with his fiancee Nicole, as man and wife; essentially live the American Dream. Instead, he gets mowed down in a barrage of bullets by New York's finest, because the pathology of too many police officers equate the black man as a violent, psychopathic criminal. Then you some whites complain that it's being made into a race issue, when 95% of the people shot or killed by police officers, while NOT in commission of a crime are Black or Latino. The proper term for this is institutionalized racism once again. You can look at data in about any American industry or sector and see disparate treatment in how whites get treated versus blacks. Blacks pay higher interest rates on loans and mortgages, when compared to whites of equal income, credit ratings and other variables like age and location. It's a known fact that white home appraisers will discount the value of a home in an affluent black community with high median incomes, good schools and low crime rates versus homes owned by whites in similar "predominitely white" neighborhoods. I remember hearing an interview with a black man that owned a GM car dealership in the Midwest, talk about how GM placed a cap on how many cars he could purchase from GMAC Finance Co.(repossesions etc.), whereas white dealership owners who had similarly performing dealerships weren't given this "purchasing limit". There was an article on Levan Hawkins (an African-American fast food tycoon) in Ebony Magazine several years ago. Anyway, he's a very aggressive businessman and started to expand under the Burger King or Pizza Hut umbrella initially, as I can't recall which one. Anyway, the corporate offices told him, he was expanding too fast even though all his restaurants turned a profit and were run impeccably. Whereas, white franchise owners were never told "you're expanding too fast", then restricted from growing their business by the head offices. This is the institionalized racism that get's ignored and replaced with silly debates like whites using the N-Word too, fueling foolish comments like Uncutlove's. He is scraping the bottle of the barrel, in an attempt to equate black prejudice (no power) with white institionalized racism (all the power).


Back to the proverbial old black man or woman, who work in those glass ceilinged corporate setting. Some may have even trained the white people who got the promotions (I've seen this numerous times) and then get some B.S speech about how much of an asset they were to the company during their retirement party and how much they'd be missed. This passification process is employed constantly with blacks when they demand equal and fair treatment. I remember about 10 years ago, there was an Oscar awards without one single Black person nominated, even after some high quality performances in front and behind the camera were delivered, coupled with hardly any black shows being greenlighted on network television that year. Anyway, Jesse Jackson had set up a boycott at the Awards ceremony, which I personally think was a waste of time even though he had a valid gripe. Anyway, they asked several Blacks in attendance on the red carpet, what they made of Jesse's protest and this dumbass Tyra Banks says "I don't see why Jesse Jackson is making such a big deal, when they have done things like make Quincy Jones the music coordinator for the show's opening performance. This was black passification at it's finest. Older blacks call it "shufflin" or "shoe shinin".

In this white society, black people are like bellbottoms. Every decade or so, we become popular again, then get shoved to the back, only to be "rediscovered" again. Ask any black person that works in the modeling industry. They will tell you, at some periods black models are hot and book lots of work, then a dry spell will come about in this country, where only the famous faces work regularly. White people are always in style, because their "ideology" dominates the American landscape.

[beatmaker]

I'm sorry if i offend anyone.But picture this,a white man walks down the street with a t-shirt that says "white pride" or "it's a white thing you wouldn't understand".Or any number of white pride symbols or phrases(not nazi).What would your reaction be?Most would assume he is a racist.We are the only race on the planet who are demonized when we show pride in our race.And god forbid we claim to be the victim of discrimination whether it be trying to get into college or being attacked or defending ourselves.So on to the REAL question.Why are whites the only ones it's socially acceptable to demonize and badmouth.

White men don't have to walk down the street in a "White Pride" or "It's a White thing, you won't understand" T-shirt, because while they are White they celebrate their individual ethnic backgrounds. Don't believe me, attend the St. Patrick's Day Parade for the Irish in NYC. Go to any ethnic white enclave, be it Italian, Irish, Russian, Polish etc and you will see people waving their ancestral flag strong and proud.

Loki, where are my ancestors from? I'm asking you, because I don't know. One of the lingering affects of slavery, is this black hole of identity many American Blacks have, stemming from the TransAtlantic slave trade. It's also (in my opinion) one of the root causes of Black dysfunction in America (self-hate stemming from no knowledge of self and kind). So, since I can't fly the flag of my ancestor's heritage or country, I'll fly the overall nationalist flag of "black pride and culture".

As they say in the streets" "This is all we got baby!"

[beatmaker]

its not our fault most blacks are fucking pussy's, and yes most are, and no its not cos of your skin, most blacks are pussy's cos you would rather raise a gun then your fist's.

"Most blacks are pussys"? By the way, most black people don't use guns. They don't say the "N" word or call people "whitey". I swear that some of the people here are VERY ignorant. Please tell me that this is a joke. If not, I'm going to need you to step away from the tv. Stop watching New Jack City, or whatever hood movie you were watching. If every other white person thinks like this, we have a serious problem.

Kabuki, this guy is a AAASSShole! Blacks are pussies, yeah O.K! This comment is boderline hilarous, when you consider historically how grown white men would get lynch mobs of 20-50 people just to lynch "one" young teenage black kid, then castrate him out of some latent "penis envy". If you want to see white pussies at their finest, click the link below to read how a jealous white lynch mob burned down a prominent part of Tulsa, Oklahoma known as "Black Wall Street" and murdered over 3000 black people in the Tulsa Race Riots of 1921. Why? Why else, some perceived threat or overture made toward a white woman.

http://www.blackwallstreet.freeservers.com/The%20Story.htm

http://www.blackwallstreet.freeservers.com/



Kabuki, are you Japanese? I'm asking because your posts on this topic are really on point. I'm ashamed to say, but they intellectually belittle most of the posts made by some of my black bethren on this 800 pound gorilla we call racism.

[ulickeydickey?]

I remember about 10 years ago, there was an Oscar awards without one single Black person nominated

And when the first Black actress won (Halle Berry, Monsters Ball), it was for a role that was very demeaning.

I have to go on a little rant here.
I know I was the one who JUST told another black person to get over rejection from a non-black tranny but....
I just had an incedent happen and I may try to orginize a boycott(I never thought this would be something I would ever do).
White people are in general ignorant about a lot of the facets of the "black community".
Yet when you camly and articulately try to explain to them they become beligerant.
WHY?
Sometime it just sucks to be black in america.....you are always reminded you are different...people try to put you down in subtle ways.
Racism is just a bitch.

Ok rant over


So where will this pity party, I mean "Organized boycott", be staged?

Loki, where are my ancestors from?

LOL. Don't worry about your ancestors. They weren't very concerned about you when THEY SOLD YOU TO WHITEY!

THEY SOLD YOU!

Or they sold the rights to your capture.


This is a dead horse loser topic. Slavery was a LONG TIME AGO. GET OVER IT!

Darky is just as guilty as whitey, especially when it comes to the bullshit topic of "Where ma ancestors?"

Your ancestors are dead. But when they were alive, they SOLD YOU!

It takes 2 sides. There were buyers and sellers.

Let me tell you SOMETHING ELSE!

Whitey has done more for you than your ancestors have. Had you not been brought to America, chances are you'd be NOT a victim of Racism.

You'd be a victim of civil war, AIDS, famine, drought and otherwise deadly living conditions.

Stop your bitching.

[Fockzilla]

I have to go on a little rant here.
I know I was the one who JUST told another black person to get over rejection from a non-black tranny but....
I just had an incedent happen and I may try to orginize a boycott(I never thought this would be something I would ever do).
White people are in general ignorant about a lot of the facets of the "black community".
Yet when you camly and articulately try to explain to them they become beligerant.
WHY?
Sometime it just sucks to be black in america.....you are always reminded you are different...people try to put you down in subtle ways.
Racism is just a bitch.

Ok rant over

Yup, thats America for you. When I went to Colombia last year I saw how totally different it is compared to over here. I was in a club with a lady-friend and a bunch of local black men came up and started talking to us and I eventually explained how culturally different it is over here. They couldn't believe their ears when I told them that we would consider them gangsters and their women prostitutes solely on the way they dressed.

They were very nice tho, and they took it well, they even bought us a round of drinks. The dude I was talking to wanted to dance with my lady friend and I said, "hell yeah" and he let me dance with his sis.

Even sexuality is a lot more relaxed over there, when we were talking girls would stand around kissing and feeling up as it would be on whoever was involved in the conversation. At one point my leg rubbed up against the black gentleman's leg and instead of getting pissed off, like I would expect over here, he laughed and dismissed it. Anyway the hispanics (who all pretty much look caucasian in Colombia) get along very well with the black folks. To them the only group of people they strongly disapprove of is Americans and Taxi drivers.

Why do some white people think its ok to be racist? Cuz they're stupid! :wink:

[Fox]

Loki, where are my ancestors from?

Slavery was a LONG TIME AGO. GET OVER IT!


Speaking as a black male, it's not as easy as "just get over it." Things are setup in a way that makes it harder for minorities to get ahead. This cannot be argued, it's fact. I don't go around constantly playing the race card or anything, but I always laugh when I see someone make that statement. I don't like to wallow in a defeatest attitude though cause I believe it's what is holding us back as a people.

And yes, some of our African ancestors did sell their own people, but not all. So I see nothing wrong with him asking.


Whitey has done more for you than your ancestors have. Had you not been brought to America, chances are you'd be NOT a victim of Racism.

Do you realize how stupid this sounds? Like, seriously?

[Fockzilla]

Let me tell you SOMETHING ELSE!

Whitey has done more for you than your ancestors have. Had you not been brought to America, chances are you'd be NOT a victim of Racism.

You'd be a victim of civil war, AIDS, famine, drought and otherwise deadly living conditions.

Stop your bitching.

Dude you sound like Clayton Bigsby in the Dave Chappelle sketch! :lol: Don't you know how many millions of people died on the way over to America, then slavery, then "imancipation" which they totally got screwed on. Don't tell anybody how to think and feel, you aren't them and you never will be. There's certain perspectives that not everyone can see through, yourself included.

Speaking as a black male, it's not as easy as "just get over it." Things are setup in a way that makes it harder for minorities to get ahead.

Stop the bullshit. I'm mexican in a period of unprecedented anti-mexican popular opinion. I know at times I'm discriminated against, but fuck those people! I'm not gonna carry that shit around with me and feeling sorry for myself and throwing pity party boycotts. That's what losers do. What I'm gonna do and what I've been taught is to go to work and make myself a better life and in the process, a better person.

"Things are setup in a way..."

That's vague and ambiguous bullshit! You have equal protection under the law. I believe you suffer from a confused nature. You both believe that and don't believe that, at the same time.


This cannot be argued, it's fact. I don't go around constantly playing the race card or anything, but I always laugh when I see someone make that statement. I don't like to wallow in a defeatest attitude though cause I believe it's what is holding us back as a people.

And yes, some of our African ancestors did sell their own people, but not all. So I see nothing wrong with him asking.

At least you admit that blacks are just as guilty as whites


Do you realize how stupid this sounds? Like, seriously?

What? You're gonna attack with insults rather than address the claim? That's childish.

[werwt22]

Let me tell you SOMETHING ELSE!

Whitey has done more for you than your ancestors have. Had you not been brought to America, chances are you'd be NOT a victim of Racism.

You'd be a victim of civil war, AIDS, famine, drought and otherwise deadly living conditions.

Stop your bitching.

LMAO that's hilarious....really. Wow. You really think whites did blacks a favor by enslaving them? Hell no. Blacks did themselves a favor by rebelling.

[loki]

Actually it was whites who killed each other by the hundreds of thousands to free you.And black african tribes who originally sold you.Which is why slavery is still rampant in africa today but not any white countries.Oh,i forgot it's only whites who are evil and have a sordid past.

[Fockzilla]

You see how everybody's fighting for no appearent reason now? How's about we all just agree to disagree? :crazy

[Fox]

Stop the bullshit. I'm mexican in a period of unprecedented anti-mexican popular opinion. I know at times I'm discriminated against, but fuck those people! I'm not gonna carry that shit around with me and feeling sorry for myself and throwing pity party boycotts. That's what losers do. What I'm gonna do and what I've been taught is to go to work and make myself a better life and in the process, a better person.

How is it bullshit if we're basically saying the same thing?


"Things are setup in a way..."

That's vague and ambiguous bullshit! You have equal protection under the law. I believe you suffer from a confused nature. You both believe that and don't believe that, at the same time.

Equal protection under the law? Can I ask where you live? Cause this certainly isn't the case in my area. I have personal testimony to this.



This cannot be argued, it's fact. I don't go around constantly playing the race card or anything, but I always laugh when I see someone make that statement. I don't like to wallow in a defeatest attitude though cause I believe it's what is holding us back as a people.

And yes, some of our African ancestors did sell their own people, but not all. So I see nothing wrong with him asking.

At least you admit that blacks are just as guilty as whites

I didn't say anything about who was guilty, just that shit is the way it is.



Do you realize how stupid this sounds? Like, seriously?

What? You're gonna attack with insults rather than address the claim? That's childish.

That wasn't a personal attack, I just thought the comment was stupid. It's stupid because it's like saying the person who rescues you from a burning house did you a favor even after setting you on fire himself.

[werwt22]

Actually it was whites who killed each other by the hundreds of thousands to free you.And black african tribes who originally sold you.Which is why slavery is still rampant in africa today but not any white countries.Oh,i forgot it's only whites who are evil and have a sordid past.

blacks were also in that war. They actually had some blacks fighting for the south. and Nobody said "ALL WHITE MEN ARE CORRUPT" btw. And are you to tell me that enslaving us then turning around and fighting to free us cancel each other out?

[beatmaker]

I remember about 10 years ago, there was an Oscar awards without one single Black person nominated

And when the first Black actress won (Halle Berry, Monsters Ball), it was for a role that was very demeaning.

Actually, the first black women who won the Oscar, was Hattie MacDaniel for "Gone With the Wind" in 1939. It was for her portrayal of a strong, sassy maid named "Mammy" in the antebellum South. While she wasn't a "skinnin and grinnin" type of servant, she still was a maid to white folks, in an era of extreme bigotry and this was one of the few roles for blacks, that the white establishment would validate on that level.

However Ulickeydickey, Halle was the first African-American woman to win the Oscar for best lead actress, as Hattie McDaniel's was for best supporting actress.

[beatmaker]

Loki, where are my ancestors from?

LOL. Don't worry about your ancestors. They weren't very concerned about you when THEY SOLD YOU TO WHITEY!

THEY SOLD YOU!

Or they sold the rights to your capture.


This is a dead horse loser topic. Slavery was a LONG TIME AGO. GET OVER IT!

Darky is just as guilty as whitey, especially when it comes to the bullshit topic of "Where ma ancestors?"

Your ancestors are dead. But when they were alive, they SOLD YOU!

It takes 2 sides. There were buyers and sellers.


Once again, a misinformed white man wants to preach to me about my own history. Even has the audacity to suggest, that I should be appreciative of this historical transgression. I guess everyone that emigrated to the United States or any another economically stable country came over in chains and slave ships. Is that what you're saying T-Fan? Why some white people feel the need to compare 400 years of barbaric, unhumane treatment to some African chief who sold another African from an "ENEMY" tribe to a white slavetrader is ridiculous. See, some whites like to use this "Your own people sold you into slavery" defense, as if people sold their own family and tribe members into bondage, when in reality they were captives from another waring tribe. Furthermore, I'm sure if those men had a crystal ball to see the "big picture" of what would happen, they might have reconsidered. See, in Africa they did have African slaves like many other racial cultures had and they were treated horribly, no doubt. However, their families weren't ripped apart and people's self-identity weren't stripped from them until they were in a mental abyss. When people, especially whites like to compare Black slavery vs the Jewish Holocaust and say why are they doing well and you're not, there are 3 main reasons. 1) They have white skin privilege allowing them to assimilate into this white dominated culture easier. 2)In spite of Hitler and his Nazi regime's sickening, demented acts against the Jews, he never tried to mentally erase who they were, only physically. So after his regime was defeated in World War II, they still had knowledge of themselves to pull it together, which is why they don't tolerate any anti-Semitism. 3) They don't solely reside in the country of their former oppressors. The whole purpose of establishing the Nation of Israel was to have their holy land also act as a historical, economic and cultural stronghold for their people. Blacks have become so fragmented and divided thru white colonialism throughout the African Diaspora, that even in many African countries you have people bleaching their skin and feeling comtempt for African Americans, while accepting Whites who plunder their countries of its natural resources (mainly gold, diamonds and petroleum) and compensate them with tablescraps for the opportunity.

Since you would like to say we're equally complicit, which I feel is nothing more than a mere self-defense mechanism for white people, who don't want to deal with the lingering aftereffects of their white brethren's misdeeds. It's like these right wing, GOP judges who will give some 18-19 year old black kid the lecture about morality and how growing up with an abusive, absentee father and drug addicted mother in a crime riddled neighborhood, is no excuse for selling drugs before sentencing him to 20 to life, when this asshole grew up in some Middle-American whitebred community and never had to need or want for anything. Even me as a young African-American male won't try to pass judgement, only to encourage them that their is a better way to become successful in America and support a family, then sell drugs or engage in other illicit activities. However, I have a college educated father who was middle-management for a governmental agency and a mother who is a small business owner. I've went to parochial schools my whole life and never had a need or want for really anything. My father paid for my college tuition also, even though I worked for my car and other luxury items. So, who am I to pass judgement on some of these brothas, who grew up in such dysfunctional environments, as to why they sold drugs or stole somebody's car to make some money. My only issue is those who make money, then instead of investing in their education or a simple business like a laundrymat or real estate, get addicted to the fast money and continue until they get caught. While I have my issues with some of the values and messages Jay-Z brings across in his lyrics, especially for the impressionable kid being raised in a tough, poverty stricken environment. I do have modicum of respect for the brother, as he and his business partner Damon Dash took their drug proceeds and started a record label, when no major label would sign Jay-Z as an artist. At least they saw a larger picture outside of the criminal life. Jay-Z now has a net worth of about $350 million dollars and Dame Dash's is around $200 million. My friend knows a dude who paid his way thru an Ivy League school selling Esctasy. It's just like the TS escorts on these websites. Some have a plan to get out of the life and some get caught up in the fast money and will eventually end up old, pathetic and broke. Remember the Kennedy's, which are commonly referred to as "Camelot: American Royalty" have their foundations on Joe Kennedy's bootlegging business during Prohibition.

T-Fan it's a waste of my time to argue with someone who is debating me based on piecemeal info they've heard from other whites online or on television. I swear, the day historians revealed that some (not all) slaves were sold into bondage by other African chiefs and warlords, their must have been a collective ejaculatory climax in American White society, I swear! I've been hearing white men such as yourself use that shyt, to explain away how white men raped woman in front of their husbands and sons, snatched babies away from mothers as soon as it passed out of their wombs, lynched men for all others to see, when they tried to stand up and be man who would no longer act and be defeated and God knows what else. So please, with that tired shyt your running! Your going to blame all the shyt whites did during Jim Crow on who? You're going to blame this governments complicitness for decades of oppression and cruel behavior on who? Your going to blame the Tulsa Race Riots or Rosewood on who?

T-fan, pick up a damn book and stop proliferating this sight with your half-assed, armchair history lessons.

I wonder people. Why is it, the same people who defend Michael Richards for using the "N word", because blacks use it, are the same people who are always telling blacks to forget and stop whining about slavery and America's racist past. What's pathetic, is these poor, ignorant souls fail to see how both things tie together. Oh well!

LMAO that's hilarious....really. Wow. You really think whites did blacks a favor by enslaving them? Hell no.

That's a cowardly attempt to distort what was really said. No favors were given. And it wasn't just whites who enslaved blacks, it was BLACKS who also participated in the trade. They got rich off slavery, too.

I'll restate for the weak-reactionary minds around here. Descendents of slaves are FAR BETTER OFF than the descendents of blacks who stayed in Africa.

Instead of the bullshit manipulation, why not prove me wrong?


Blacks did themselves a favor by rebelling.

Whites are largely responsible for not only repealing slavery laws, but also giving blacks equal protection of the law.

Even today, blacks represent only 12% of the US population. If evil whitey wanted to, he could throw you back in chains, RIGHT NOW. There aren't enough blacks to prevent that. It's only with the assistance and support of whitey, do blacks remain free and that's what makes America a great nation.

Equal protection under the law? Can I ask where you live? Cause this certainly isn't the case in my area. I have personal testimony to this.

LMAO. Tell me how you aren't guaranteed equal protection under the law.

Show me where, in the current US Constitution and the Civil Rights act of 1964, you are not federally guaranteed equal protection under the law?

I challenge you.


I didn't say anything about who was guilty, just that shit is the way it is.

So once again you expose your own confusion.


That wasn't a personal attack, I just thought the comment was stupid. It's stupid because it's like saying the person who rescues you from a burning house did you a favor even after setting you on fire himself.

It wasnt a personal attack but it was an attack. A weak attempt to get off the tangible facts of the argument and get into a playground fight, like you're in elementary school.

Once again, a misinformed white man wants to preach to me about my own history.

Once again you expose YOUR tacit racism. I've already had to educate a "fucking rich jewish white guy" on his, but I'll continue and expose yours.

Get help.

Your racist assumption, as programmed into you by victim-mentality liberalism, is that I am white. That because of my views, I am white. If you had taken the time to read closely, you realize how foolish you are.


Even has the audacity to suggest, that I should be appreciative of this historical transgression. I guess everyone that emigrated to the United States or any another economically stable country came over in chains and slave ships. Is that what you're saying T-Fan?

You're just repeating the same old armageddon scenarios.

Leave the desperate straw man argument attempts aside. Quit misrepresenting my argument because that's not gonna work.


Why some white people feel the need to compare 400 years of barbaric, unhumane treatment to some African chief who sold another African from an "ENEMY" tribe to a white slavetrader is ridiculous. See, some whites like to use this "Your own people sold you into slavery" defense, as if people sold their own family and tribe members into bondage, when in reality they were captives from another waring tribe.

LMAO. That doesnt make a difference. All it proves is that not all blacks are your "brothers" and not all whiteys are the devil.

And it still doesnt disprove that it was BLACKS who sold BLACKS.


Furthermore, I'm sure if those men had a crystal ball to see the "big picture" of what would happen, they might have reconsidered.

Well yeah, because obviously those warlords were such nice, rational thinking people.

O, K LMAO


See, in Africa they did have African slaves like many other racial cultures had and they were treated horribly, no doubt. However, their families weren't ripped apart and people's self-identity weren't stripped from them until they were in a mental abyss.

So those blacks who sold other blacks made extreme efforts to ensure that the slaves they sold to whitey were all sold in one big family unit? Anyway you frame that argument, it's a failure. Also, when the warlords captured a black "from a competing tribe", did he also mandate that his entire family be captured immediately? LMAO. What's that called? "Slavery LIGHT"?

You're funny.


When people, especially whites like to compare Black slavery vs the Jewish Holocaust and say why are they doing well and you're not, there are 3 main reasons. 1) They have white skin privilege allowing them to assimilate into this white dominated culture easier. 2)In spite of Hitler and his Nazi regime's sickening, demented acts against the Jews, he never tried to mentally erase who they were, only physically.

LMAO. Yours is an extremely desperate attempt to deny the facts. The BOLD ASS FACTS.

MILLIONS of Jewish families were ripped apart before and during the Holocaust. MILLIONS. He did not only rip them apart, but he always made every attempt to destroy not only their souls, but also their works in literature and religion. Those are facts.

Leave the "White skin" bullshit aside as well. How do you explain the success of slanty eyed, yellow skinned asians? Who's to blame there?


So after his regime was defeated in World War II, they still had knowledge of themselves to pull it together, which is why they don't tolerate any anti-Semitism.

What is this "knowledge of self" bullshit you refer too? Bullshit language and ethnic loyalties? I'm loyal to only a few things.

My parents
God
My country


Those are the only loyalties I guarantee because I'm a man. I don't need the crutch of ethnicity. I don't need a finger to point because I'm brown. I am my own man and if I don't succeed in life, I don't need fingers to point at shit that happened to Mexico in the 1800's at the hands of whitey American imperialism. I won't practice the same cowardace you do. I won't say, "Here's why I didnt succeed, because of Whitey". I only need a mirror to point the finger at who's responsible. And I truly believe that.



3) They don't solely reside in the country of their former oppressors.

You can leave anytime. You do know that, right?

Simply remaining in America means that you like it here. Which means that you aren't the victim. No one oppressed, YOU.


The whole purpose of establishing the Nation of Israel was to have their holy land also act as a historical, economic and cultural stronghold for their people.

You already have a holy land. It's Africa. All your history is there for the taking. You can pal around with Robert Mugabe. I hear he's just FLUSH with land and property to give you. And you'll be happy to hear that it's land and property STOLEN under LAW from whitey!

Now you can have it all! Land, property and REVENGE!

Now you can truly STICK IT TO THE MAN.

And then you can preach your self-pity to them. Actually, you won't have to. Now that whitey is gone, all them Zimbabwe's are STARVING.

African power!


Blacks have become so fragmented and divided thru white colonialism throughout the African Diaspora that even in many African countries you have people bleaching their skin and feeling comtempt for African Americans, while accepting Whites who plunder their countries of its natural resources (mainly gold, diamonds and petroleum) and compensate them with tablescraps for the opportunity.

You're making blacks out to be stupid, weak and incompetent animals who are incapable of defending themselves and too stupid to maintain their own identities.

You know that's not true.


Since you would like to say we're equally complicit, which I feel is nothing more than a mere self-defense mechanism for white people, who don't want to deal with the lingering aftereffects of their white brethren's misdeeds.

Well except that I ain't white.


It's like these right wing, GOP judges who will give some 18-19 year old black kid the lecture about morality and how growing up with an abusive, absentee father and drug addicted mother in a crime riddled neighborhood, is no excuse for selling drugs before sentencing him to 20 to life

Well then I guess it's ok to sell drugs then.

Spread the word!

If you didn't know your daddy and your mammy was on crack, it's ok to sell drugs and shoot whitey in the back!

You shouldn't go to jail because your skin is not that pale. Equal rights are not enough, SPECIAL RIGHTS, I'm OUT ON BAIL!


when this asshole grew up in some Middle-American whitebred community and never had to need or want for anything.

Oh evil whitey. Living a decent life! Damn him to hell for not wanting to live in the crack-infested slums of Compton and Inglewood!

You have some serious resentment issues, dude. Do you drink or do drugs?


Even me as a young African-American male won't try to pass judgement, only to encourage them that their is a better way to become successful in America and support a family, then sell drugs or engage in other illicit activities. However, I have a college educated father who was middle-management for a governmental agency and a mother who is a small business owner. I've went to parochial schools my whole life and never had a need or want for really anything. My father paid for my college tuition also, even though I worked for my car and other luxury items. So, who am I to pass judgement on some of these brothas, who grew up in such dysfunctional environments, as to why they sold drugs or stole somebody's car to make some money. My only issue is those who make money, then instead of investing in their education or a simple business like a laundrymat or real estate, get addicted to the fast money and continue until they get caught. While I have my issues with some of the values and messages Jay-Z brings across in his lyrics, especially for the impressionable kid being raised in a tough, poverty stricken environment. I do have modicum of respect for the brother, as he and his business partner Damon Dash took their drug proceeds and started a record label, when no major label would sign Jay-Z as an artist. At least they saw a larger picture outside of the criminal life. Jay-Z now has a net worth of about $350 million dollars and Dame Dash's is around $200 million. My friend knows a dude who paid his way thru an Ivy League school selling Esctasy. It's just like the TS escorts on these websites. Some have a plan to get out of the life and some get caught up in the fast money and will eventually end up old, pathetic and broke. Remember the Kennedy's, which are commonly referred to as "Camelot: American Royalty" have their foundations on Joe Kennedy's bootlegging business during Prohibition.

Joe Kennedy's, a democrat btw, wrongs do not justify yours or anyone elses. The facts are these; the vast, VAST, VAST majority of people who sell street drugs are stupid, neanderthalic imbeciles who are too cowardly to get out and work for a living. Cases like Jay Z's are few and far between. They are the RARE exception. Most drug dealers just keep selling drugs. Like 99.9999999999999% of them. They're losers.


T-Fan it's a waste of my time to argue with someone who is debating me based on piecemeal info they've heard from other whites online or on television.

Let's go back to your tacit racism. It keeps popping up. I'm not white but you keep making a ridiculous and racist assumption that I am.


I swear, the day historians revealed that some (not all) slaves were sold into bondage by other African chiefs and warlords, their must have been a collective ejaculatory climax in American White society, I swear!

Wow! You have serious resentment issues.


I've been hearing white men such as yourself

There's your ignorant and racist assumption again.


use that shyt, to explain away how white men raped woman in front of their husbands and sons, snatched babies away from mothers as soon as it passed out of their wombs, lynched men for all others to see, when they tried to stand up and be man who would no longer act and be defeated and God knows what else.

Yeah I'm sorry. I didn't know all that stuff happened to you. My condolences. Now I understand why your so mixed up.


So please, with that tired shyt your running! Your going to blame all the shyt whites did during Jim Crow on who?

On the people involved. Fuck those people. They're all dead and it's ok now, beatmaker. You're safe now. Whitey made sure of it. You can have a life now (in case you didnt know) You are free to live.


You're going to blame this governments complicitness for decades of oppression and cruel behavior on who? Your going to blame the Tulsa Race Riots or Rosewood on who?

You're just an angry person. You're pissed about shit that happened LONG ago. You're not only mad about events that happened to you in your life, your made about stuff that happened when you werent even alive.

That's a heavy load of resentment to carry around.


T-fan, pick up a damn book and stop proliferating this sight with your half-assed, armchair history lessons.

I have lots of books. But I don't have that one on resentment. But I will buy you one. Just as a way to make up for how you were enslaved and ripped from your mothers womb. That is so sad for you.


I wonder people. Why is it, the same people who defend Michael Richards for using the "N word", because blacks use it, are the same people who are always telling blacks to forget and stop whining about slavery and America's racist past. What's pathetic, is these poor, ignorant souls fail to see how both things tie together. Oh well!

Yeah I know. Those people are evil, huh? If you don't make it in life, it's there fault, not yours.

[freak]

I have to go on a little rant here.
I know I was the one who JUST told another black person to get over rejection from a non-black tranny but....
I just had an incedent happen and I may try to orginize a boycott(I never thought this would be something I would ever do).
White people are in general ignorant about a lot of the facets of the "black community".
Yet when you camly and articulately try to explain to them they become beligerant.
WHY?
Sometime it just sucks to be black in america.....you are always reminded you are different...people try to put you down in subtle ways.
Racism is just a bitch.

Ok rant over
you say white people are ignorant about the black community, well that is true to a point but then you must say black people are just as if not more ignorant to the white community.
If you watch the way the black entertainment industry portrays white people in black films you will see that the black community is not trying to make it any better. If the white entertainment industry made fun of black people that way it would be considered wrong, but it is ok to make fun of the white people in a racist way? I think there is more racist that are black then white, black are racist against other blacks, the American blacks don't like the Haitian black, the Haitian blacks don't like the Jamaican Black, the Jamaican Black don't like the African black and none of them like the Latin blacks because they don't consider them selfs black. Then you have the light skinned dark skinned problems.
Next time you want to see a black person get belligerent, just side with the white person that is getting accused of rape and say she was lying. (duke lacrosse)
This is all from a guy who loves his black women, and t-girls

[ezed]

I have to go on a little rant here.
I know I was the one who JUST told another black person to get over rejection from a non-black tranny but....
I just had an incedent happen and I may try to orginize a boycott(I never thought this would be something I would ever do).
White people are in general ignorant about a lot of the facets of the "black community".
Yet when you camly and articulately try to explain to them they become beligerant.
WHY?
Sometime it just sucks to be black in america.....you are always reminded you are different...people try to put you down in subtle ways.
Racism is just a bitch.

Ok rant over

Hey, Solitary Brother, where did you go? What, did you get a game misconduct or something. You started a race war here. Maybe you should pipe in every once in awhile. Don't blame you thou, it's gotten like that movie "Gangs of New York". People love to hate at the drop of a hat, whether it's black v white, arab v jew, or block v block. Give us a varience and will kill the fuckers.

I wanna see the Burger King v Ronald McDonald in a battle to the last hot apple pie goddamnit!

[fitz207]

I love it when racist people come to the defense of jewish people about
the Holocaust. This fact is most jews used the Holocaust to get to the top.

As a Irish american my family has not been that friendly with blacks. But
we will admit that slavery was 100 times worst than the Holocaust. The fact
is most jews do not face "real" discrimination these days. Blacks still do.

So were my Irish Grandparents who came here looking for a better life
and they were beaten up and spit on by Italians and "WASP" simply for
being Irish.

And TFan i never heard of a racist who defends jews and asians, but only hates
blacks. I thought you were supposed to hate them all. :lol: Give me a break!

[Mac_Hine]

Once again, a misinformed white man wants to preach to me about my own history.

Once again you expose YOUR tacit racism. I've already had to educate a "fucking rich jewish white guy" on his, but I'll continue and expose yours.

Get help.

Your racist assumption, as programmed into you by victim-mentality liberalism, is that I am white. That because of my views, I am white. If you had taken the time to read closely, you realize how foolish you are.


Even has the audacity to suggest, that I should be appreciative of this historical transgression. I guess everyone that emigrated to the United States or any another economically stable country came over in chains and slave ships. Is that what you're saying T-Fan?

You're just repeating the same old armageddon scenarios.

Leave the desperate straw man argument attempts aside. Quit misrepresenting my argument because that's not gonna work.


Why some white people feel the need to compare 400 years of barbaric, unhumane treatment to some African chief who sold another African from an "ENEMY" tribe to a white slavetrader is ridiculous. See, some whites like to use this "Your own people sold you into slavery" defense, as if people sold their own family and tribe members into bondage, when in reality they were captives from another waring tribe.

LMAO. That doesnt make a difference. All it proves is that not all blacks are your "brothers" and not all whiteys are the devil.

And it still doesnt disprove that it was BLACKS who sold BLACKS.


Furthermore, I'm sure if those men had a crystal ball to see the "big picture" of what would happen, they might have reconsidered.

Well yeah, because obviously those warlords were such nice, rational thinking people.

O, K LMAO


See, in Africa they did have African slaves like many other racial cultures had and they were treated horribly, no doubt. However, their families weren't ripped apart and people's self-identity weren't stripped from them until they were in a mental abyss.

So those blacks who sold other blacks made extreme efforts to ensure that the slaves they sold to whitey were all sold in one big family unit? Anyway you frame that argument, it's a failure. Also, when the warlords captured a black "from a competing tribe", did he also mandate that his entire family be captured immediately? LMAO. What's that called? "Slavery LIGHT"?

You're funny.


When people, especially whites like to compare Black slavery vs the Jewish Holocaust and say why are they doing well and you're not, there are 3 main reasons. 1) They have white skin privilege allowing them to assimilate into this white dominated culture easier. 2)In spite of Hitler and his Nazi regime's sickening, demented acts against the Jews, he never tried to mentally erase who they were, only physically.

LMAO. Yours is an extremely desperate attempt to deny the facts. The BOLD ASS FACTS.

MILLIONS of Jewish families were ripped apart before and during the Holocaust. MILLIONS. He did not only rip them apart, but he always made every attempt to destroy not only their souls, but also their works in literature and religion. Those are facts.

Leave the "White skin" bullshit aside as well. How do you explain the success of slanty eyed, yellow skinned asians? Who's to blame there?


So after his regime was defeated in World War II, they still had knowledge of themselves to pull it together, which is why they don't tolerate any anti-Semitism.

What is this "knowledge of self" bullshit you refer too? Bullshit language and ethnic loyalties? I'm loyal to only a few things.

My parents
God
My country


Those are the only loyalties I guarantee because I'm a man. I don't need the crutch of ethnicity. I don't need a finger to point because I'm brown. I am my own man and if I don't succeed in life, I don't need fingers to point at shit that happened to Mexico in the 1800's at the hands of whitey American imperialism. I won't practice the same cowardace you do. I won't say, "Here's why I didnt succeed, because of Whitey". I only need a mirror to point the finger at who's responsible. And I truly believe that.



3) They don't solely reside in the country of their former oppressors.

You can leave anytime. You do know that, right?

Simply remaining in America means that you like it here. Which means that you aren't the victim. No one oppressed, YOU.


The whole purpose of establishing the Nation of Israel was to have their holy land also act as a historical, economic and cultural stronghold for their people.

You already have a holy land. It's Africa. All your history is there for the taking. You can pal around with Robert Mugabe. I hear he's just FLUSH with land and property to give you. And you'll be happy to hear that it's land and property STOLEN under LAW from whitey!

Now you can have it all! Land, property and REVENGE!

Now you can truly STICK IT TO THE MAN.

And then you can preach your self-pity to them. Actually, you won't have to. Now that whitey is gone, all them Zimbabwe's are STARVING.

African power!


Blacks have become so fragmented and divided thru white colonialism throughout the African Diaspora that even in many African countries you have people bleaching their skin and feeling comtempt for African Americans, while accepting Whites who plunder their countries of its natural resources (mainly gold, diamonds and petroleum) and compensate them with tablescraps for the opportunity.

You're making blacks out to be stupid, weak and incompetent animals who are incapable of defending themselves and too stupid to maintain their own identities.

You know that's not true.


Since you would like to say we're equally complicit, which I feel is nothing more than a mere self-defense mechanism for white people, who don't want to deal with the lingering aftereffects of their white brethren's misdeeds.

Well except that I ain't white.


It's like these right wing, GOP judges who will give some 18-19 year old black kid the lecture about morality and how growing up with an abusive, absentee father and drug addicted mother in a crime riddled neighborhood, is no excuse for selling drugs before sentencing him to 20 to life

Well then I guess it's ok to sell drugs then.

Spread the word!

If you didn't know your daddy and your mammy was on crack, it's ok to sell drugs and shoot whitey in the back!

You shouldn't go to jail because your skin is not that pale. Equal rights are not enough, SPECIAL RIGHTS, I'm OUT ON BAIL!


when this asshole grew up in some Middle-American whitebred community and never had to need or want for anything.

Oh evil whitey. Living a decent life! Damn him to hell for not wanting to live in the crack-infested slums of Compton and Inglewood!

You have some serious resentment issues, dude. Do you drink or do drugs?


Even me as a young African-American male won't try to pass judgement, only to encourage them that their is a better way to become successful in America and support a family, then sell drugs or engage in other illicit activities. However, I have a college educated father who was middle-management for a governmental agency and a mother who is a small business owner. I've went to parochial schools my whole life and never had a need or want for really anything. My father paid for my college tuition also, even though I worked for my car and other luxury items. So, who am I to pass judgement on some of these brothas, who grew up in such dysfunctional environments, as to why they sold drugs or stole somebody's car to make some money. My only issue is those who make money, then instead of investing in their education or a simple business like a laundrymat or real estate, get addicted to the fast money and continue until they get caught. While I have my issues with some of the values and messages Jay-Z brings across in his lyrics, especially for the impressionable kid being raised in a tough, poverty stricken environment. I do have modicum of respect for the brother, as he and his business partner Damon Dash took their drug proceeds and started a record label, when no major label would sign Jay-Z as an artist. At least they saw a larger picture outside of the criminal life. Jay-Z now has a net worth of about $350 million dollars and Dame Dash's is around $200 million. My friend knows a dude who paid his way thru an Ivy League school selling Esctasy. It's just like the TS escorts on these websites. Some have a plan to get out of the life and some get caught up in the fast money and will eventually end up old, pathetic and broke. Remember the Kennedy's, which are commonly referred to as "Camelot: American Royalty" have their foundations on Joe Kennedy's bootlegging business during Prohibition.

Joe Kennedy's, a democrat btw, wrongs do not justify yours or anyone elses. The facts are these; the vast, VAST, VAST majority of people who sell street drugs are stupid, neanderthalic imbeciles who are too cowardly to get out and work for a living. Cases like Jay Z's are few and far between. They are the RARE exception. Most drug dealers just keep selling drugs. Like 99.9999999999999% of them. They're losers.


T-Fan it's a waste of my time to argue with someone who is debating me based on piecemeal info they've heard from other whites online or on television.

Let's go back to your tacit racism. It keeps popping up. I'm not white but you keep making a ridiculous and racist assumption that I am.


I swear, the day historians revealed that some (not all) slaves were sold into bondage by other African chiefs and warlords, their must have been a collective ejaculatory climax in American White society, I swear!

Wow! You have serious resentment issues.


I've been hearing white men such as yourself

There's your ignorant and racist assumption again.


use that shyt, to explain away how white men raped woman in front of their husbands and sons, snatched babies away from mothers as soon as it passed out of their wombs, lynched men for all others to see, when they tried to stand up and be man who would no longer act and be defeated and God knows what else.

Yeah I'm sorry. I didn't know all that stuff happened to you. My condolences. Now I understand why your so mixed up.


So please, with that tired shyt your running! Your going to blame all the shyt whites did during Jim Crow on who?

On the people involved. Fuck those people. They're all dead and it's ok now, beatmaker. You're safe now. Whitey made sure of it. You can have a life now (in case you didnt know) You are free to live.


You're going to blame this governments complicitness for decades of oppression and cruel behavior on who? Your going to blame the Tulsa Race Riots or Rosewood on who?

You're just an angry person. You're pissed about shit that happened LONG ago. You're not only mad about events that happened to you in your life, your made about stuff that happened when you werent even alive.

That's a heavy load of resentment to carry around.


T-fan, pick up a damn book and stop proliferating this sight with your half-assed, armchair history lessons.

I have lots of books. But I don't have that one on resentment. But I will buy you one. Just as a way to make up for how you were enslaved and ripped from your mothers womb. That is so sad for you.


I wonder people. Why is it, the same people who defend Michael Richards for using the "N word", because blacks use it, are the same people who are always telling blacks to forget and stop whining about slavery and America's racist past. What's pathetic, is these poor, ignorant souls fail to see how both things tie together. Oh well!

Yeah I know. Those people are evil, huh? If you don't make it in life, it's there fault, not yours.


Greatest post of all time.

I love it when racist people come to the defense of jewish people about
the Holocaust. This fact is most jews used the Holocaust to get to the top.

A typical argument. Black holocaust vs Jewish Holocaust.

Let me ask you this. Who does affirmative action (Government MANDATED discrimination) help? Of course, it helps BLACKS. It doesn't help Jews.

We're not talking about jews hiring other jews. We're talking about the GOVERNMENT NOTORIOUSLY and OPENLY DISCRIMINATING against other people for the benefit of BLACKS.

Legalized discrimination. Not because of the holocaust of the 40's, but because of shit that happened not in this century, not in the last century, not to anyone alive today, no, not even to their parents, nor their grand parents nor their great-grandparents.

Now who is using the holocaust to get ahead?


As a Irish american my family has not been that friendly with blacks. But we will admit that slavery was 100 times worst than the Holocaust.

You can't admit something that not only has nothing to do with you, but that you didnt even witness. All you can do is offer your opinion. That said, I do agree with your opinion. But I think TIME (over 125 years ago) has mitigated any damage caused by slavery to the point of nil.

If blacks suffer from anything, it's the same thing that poor people of ALL races in this country suffer from. Ignorance and isolation from the money holders. If there's one thing that the rich and the children of rich have that poor people don't, it's a network of freinds and associates who know where the money is and how to get it. Poor people simply don't know, mainly out of choice to do nothing about it, how or where to get real money.


The fact is most jews do not face "real" discrimination these days. Blacks still do. So were my Irish Grandparents who came here looking for a better life and they were beaten up and spit on by Italians and "WASP" simply for being Irish.

Blacks face more discrimination of course. But how the old saying goes "You can't keep a good man down". Ask your grandparents if they had legal discrimination in their favor in the name of Affirmative Action.

I bet you if they did, you wouldn't have seen JFK in the presidency during the 60's. But that's what liberalism has done to today's minority. It has subjugated them and their vote with promises of "we'll make it easy for you. We'll help you get back at whitey!"

Greatest post of all time.

You are right. If anyone disagrees with what you said, they are stupid.

Well to be fair, J, you are are "fucken rich jewish white guy" who "admits that blacks have no fucking chance to get a job at a good firm".

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Tfan
A typical argument. Black holocaust vs Jewish Holocaust.

Let me ask you this. Who does affirmative action (Government MANDATED discrimination) help? Of course, it helps BLACKS. It doesn't help Jews.

We're not talking about jews hiring other jews. We're talking about the GOVERNMENT NOTORIOUSLY and OPENLY DISCRIMINATING against other people for the benefit of BLACKS.

Legalized discrimination. Not because of the holocaust of the 40's, but because of shit that happened not in this century, not in the last century, not to anyone alive today, no, not even to their parents, nor their grand parents nor their great-grandparents.

Now who is using the holocaust to get ahead?
Jews are genetically white and will get ahead like you and i. Therefore affirmative action is NOT needed.


You can't admit something that not only has nothing to do with you, but that you didnt even witness. All you can do is offer your opinion. That said, I do agree with your opinion. But I think TIME (over 125 years ago) has mitigated any damage caused by slavery to the point of nil.

If blacks suffer from anything, it's the same thing that poor people of ALL races in this country suffer from. Ignorance and isolation from the money holders. If there's one thing that the rich and the children of rich have that poor people don't, it's a network of freinds and associates who know where the money is and how to get it. Poor people simply don't know, mainly out of choice to do nothing about it, how or where to get real money.
There is no hard proof that "6 million" jews died during the holocaust. But most people believe this because the media quotes that number every chance they get.

Jews are genetically white and will get ahead like you and i. Therefore affirmative action is NOT needed.

Wow. You guys will go to any lengths to maintain your desperate assertions.

I'm sorry, but Jews are semites. Don't believe me? Ask guys like Tom Metzger and David Duke or have you ever heard of a guy named ADOLF HITLER?

Good god! How desperate are you people?


There is no hard proof that "6 million" jews died during the holocaust. But most people believe this because the media quotes that number every chance they get.

Ok, I don't usually bust out with insults right away, but you're a moron and straight out of the "Mahmoud Amadinejad Academy of Anti-Semites that aren't Arabs".

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This TFool character is a regular laugh riot!

Onward Christian Soldier!

This TFool tool claims to be of Hispanic origin...

I admit that I'm a bit puzzled here...

How should one address an Hispanic Uncle Tom?

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I love it when racist people come to the defense of jewish people about
the Holocaust. This fact is most jews used the Holocaust to get to the top.

As a Irish american my family has not been that friendly with blacks. But
we will admit that slavery was 100 times worst than the Holocaust. The fact
is most jews do not face "real" discrimination these days. Blacks still do.

So were my Irish Grandparents who came here looking for a better life
and they were beaten up and spit on by Italians and "WASP" simply for
being Irish.

And TFan i never heard of a racist who defends jews and asians, but only hates
blacks. I thought you were supposed to hate them all. :lol: Give me a break!

wow, amongst the sea of idiots here u may be king... jews use it to get to the top? really? how come i didnt get the memo? im not on top, if only i would have known i can flash pictures of my grandmas numbers to get ahead,i surely would have...or maybe i need pics of dead relatives in ovens? let me know, please...i really wanna be on top...
No sir you're the idiot. I said MOST jews got to the top, not ALL jews. Just read these facts. Don't forget that Hitler was a self hating jew himself. Irish americans never had as good as most jews in this country. This is why most stupid people believe that the holocaust happened read:

Time Warner. The largest media conglomerate today is Time Warner (briefly called AOL-Time Warner; the AOL was dropped from the name when accounting practices at the AOL division were questioned by government investigators), which reached its current form when America Online bought Time Warner for $160 billion in 2000. The combined company had revenue of $39.5 billion in 2003. The merger brought together Steve Case, a Gentile, as chairman of AOL-Time Warner, and Gerald Levin, a Jew, as the CEO. Warner, founded by the Jewish Warner brothers in the early part of the last century, rapidly became part of the Jewish power base in Hollywood, a fact so well-known that it is openly admitted by Jewish authors, as is the fact that each new media acquisition becomes dominated by Jews in turn: Speaking of the initial merger of Time, Inc. with Warner, Jewish writer Michael Wolff said in New York magazine in 2001 "since Time Inc.'s merger with Warner ten years ago, one of the interesting transitions is that it has become a Jewish company." ("From AOL to W," New York magazine, January 29, 2001)

The third most powerful man at AOL-Time Warner, at least on paper, was Vice Chairman Ted Turner, a White Gentile. Turner had traded his Turner Broadcasting System, which included CNN, to Time Warner in 1996 for a large block of Time Warner shares. By April 2001 Levin had effectively fired Ted Turner, eliminating him from any real power. However, Turner remained a very large and outspoken shareholder and member of the board of directors.

Levin overplayed his hand, and in a May 2002 showdown, he was fired by the company's board. For Ted Turner, who had lost $7 billion of his $9 billion due to Levin's mismanagement, it was small solace. Turner remains an outsider with no control over the inner workings of the company. Also under pressure, Steve Case resigned effective in May 2003. The board replaced both Levin and Case with a Black, Richard Parsons. Behind Parsons the Jewish influence and power remains dominant.

AOL is the largest Internet service provider in the world, with 34 million U.S. subscribers. It is now being used as an online platform for the Jewish content from Time Warner. Jodi Kahn and Meg Siesfeld, both Jews, lead the Time Inc. Interactive team under executive editor Ned Desmond, a White Gentile. All three report to Time Inc. editor-in-chief Norman Pearlstine, a Jew. Their job is to transfer Time Warner's content to target specific segments of America Online's audience, especially women, children, and teens.

Time Warner was already the second largest of the international media leviathans when it merged with AOL. Time Warner's subsidiary HBO (26 million subscribers) is the nation's largest pay-TV cable network. HBO's "competitor" Cinemax is another of Time Warner's many cable ventures.

Until the purchase in May 1998 of PolyGram by Jewish billionaire Edgar Bronfman, Jr., Warner Music was America's largest record company, with 50 labels. Warner Music was an early promoter of "gangsta rap." Through its involvement with Interscope Records (prior to Interscope's acquisition by another Jewish-owned media firm), it helped to popularize a genre whose graphic lyrics explicitly urge Blacks to commit acts of violence against Whites. Bronfman purchased Warner Music in 2004, keeping it solidly in Jewish hands.

In addition to cable and music, Time Warner is heavily involved in the production of feature films (Warner Brothers Studio, Castle Rock Entertainment, and New Line Cinema). Time Warner's publishing division is managed by its editor-in-chief, Norman Pearlstein, a Jew. He controls 50 magazines including Time, Life, Sports Illustrated, and People. Book publishing ventures include Time-Life Books, Book-of-the-Month Club, Little Brown, and many others. Time Warner also owns Shoutcast and Winamp, the very tools that most independent Internet radio broadcasters rely on, and, as a dominant player in the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA), was essentially "negotiating" with itself when Internet radio music royalty rules were set that strongly favored large content providers and forced many small broadcasters into silence. (The Register, "AOL Time Warner takes grip of net radio," 8th April 2003)

Ted Turner's Lesson: "Be very careful with whom you merge."

When Ted Turner, the Gentile media maverick, made a bid to buy CBS in 1985, there was panic in the media boardrooms across the country. Turner had made a fortune in advertising and then built a successful cable-TV news network, CNN, with over 70 million subscribers.

Although Turner had never taken a stand contrary to Jewish interests, he was regarded by William Paley and the other Jews at CBS as uncontrollable: a loose cannon who might at some time in the future turn against them. Furthermore, Jewish newsman Daniel Schorr, who had worked for Turner, publicly charged that his former boss held a personal dislike for Jews.

To block Turner's bid, CBS executives invited billionaire Jewish theater, hotel, insurance, and cigarette magnate Laurence Tisch to launch a "friendly" takeover of CBS. From 1986 to 1995 Tisch was the chairman and CEO of CBS, removing any threat of non-Jewish influence there. Subsequent efforts by Ted Turner to acquire CBS were obstructed by Gerald Levin's Time Warner, which owned nearly 20 percent of CBS stock and had veto power over major deals. But when his fellow Jew Sumner Redstone offered to buy CBS for $34.8 billion in 1999, Levin had no objections.

Thus, despite being an innovator and garnering headlines, Turner never commanded the "connections" necessary for being a media master. He finally decided if you can't lick 'em, join 'em, and he sold out to Levin's Time Warner. Ted Turner summed it up:

"I've had an incredible life for the most part. I made a lot of smart moves, and I made a lot of money. Then something happened, and I merged with Time Warner, which looked like the right thing to do at the time. And it was good for shareholders.

"But then I lost control. I thought I would have enough moral authority to have all the influence in the new company. If you go into business, be very careful with whom you merge.

"I thought I was buying Time Warner, but they were buying me. We had kind of a difference in viewpoint. Then they merged with AOL, and that was a complete disaster, at least so far. I have lost 85 percent of my wealth."



Disney. The second-largest media conglomerate today, with 2003 revenues of $27.1 billion, is the Walt Disney Company. Its leading personality and CEO, Michael Eisner, is a Jew.

The Disney empire, headed by a man described by one media analyst as a "control freak," includes several television production companies (Walt Disney Television, Touchstone Television, Buena Vista Television) and cable networks with more than 100 million subscribers altogether. As for feature films, the Walt Disney Motion Pictures Group includes Walt Disney Pictures, Touchstone Pictures, Hollywood Pictures, and Caravan Pictures. Disney also owns Miramax Films, run by the Jewish Weinstein brothers, Bob and Harvey, who have produced such ultra-raunchy movies as The Crying Game, Priest, and Kids.

When the Disney Company was run by the Gentile Disney family prior to its takeover by Eisner in 1984, it epitomized wholesome family entertainment. While it still holds the rights to Snow White, the company under Eisner has expanded into the production of a great deal of so-called "adult" material.

In August 1995, Eisner acquired Capital Cities/ABC, Inc., which owns the ABC television network, which in turn owns ten TV stations outright in such big markets as New York, Chicago, Philadelphia, Los Angeles, San Francisco, and Houston. In addition, in the United States ABC has 225 affiliated TV stations, over 2,900 affiliated radio stations and produces over 7,200 radio programs. ABC owns 54 radio stations and operates 57 radio stations, many in major cities such as New York, Washington, and Los Angeles. Radio Disney, part of ABC Radio Networks, provides programming targeting children.

Sports network ESPN, an ABC cable subsidiary, is headed by President and CEO George W. Bodenheimer, who is a Jew. The corporation also controls the Disney Channel, Toon Disney, A&E, Lifetime Television, SOAPnet and the History Channel, with between 86 and 88 million subscribers each. The ABC Family television network has 84 million subscribers and, in addition to broadcasting entertainment (some of it quite raunchy for a "family" channel), is also the network outlet for Christian Zionist TV evangelist Pat Robertson.

Although primarily a telecommunications company, ABC/Disney earns over $1 billion in publishing, owning Walt Disney Company Book Publishing, Hyperion Books, and Miramax Books. It also owns six daily newspapers and publishes over 20 magazines. Disney Publishing Worldwide publishes books and magazines in 55 languages in 74 countries, reaching more than 100 million readers each month

On the Internet, Disney runs Buena Vista Internet Group, ABC Internet Group, ABC.com, ABCNEWS.com, Oscar.com, Mr. Showbiz, Disney Online, Disney's Daily Blast, Disney.com, Family.com, ESPN Internet Group, ESPN.sportzone.com, Soccernet.com, NFL.com, NBA.com, Infoseek (partial ownership), and Disney Interactive.

Viacom. Number three on the list, with 2003 revenues of just over $26.5 billion, is Viacom, Inc., headed by Sumner Redstone (born Murray Rothstein), a Jew. Melvin A. Karmazin, another Jew, was number two at Viacom until June 2004, holding the positions of president and chief operating officer. Karmazin remains a large Viacom shareholder. Replacing Karmazin as co-presidents and co-COOs are a Jew, Leslie Moonves, and Tom Freston, a possible Jew. (We have been unable to confirm Freston's Jewish ancestry; he has done work for Jewish organizations and was involved in the garment trade, a heavily Jewish industry, importing clothing from the Third World to the U.S. in the 1970s.)

Viacom produces and distributes TV programs for the three largest networks, owns 39 television stations outright with another 200 affiliates in its wholly-owned CBS Television Network, owns 185 radio stations in its Infinity radio group, and has over 1,500 affiliated stations through its CBS Radio Network. It produces feature films through Paramount Pictures, headed by Jewess Sherry Lansing (born Sherry Lee Heimann), who is planning to retire at the end of 2005.

Viacom was formed in 1971 as a way to dodge an anti-monopoly FCC ruling that required CBS to spin off a part of its cable TV operations and syndicated programming business. This move by the government unfortunately did nothing to reduce the mostly Jewish collaborative monopoly that remains the major problem with the industry. In 1999, after CBS had again augmented itself by buying King World Productions (a leading TV program syndicator), Viacom acquired its progenitor company, CBS, in a double mockery of the spirit of the 1971 ruling.

Redstone acquired CBS following the December 1999 stockholders' votes at CBS and Viacom. CBS Television has long been headed by the previously mentioned Leslie Moonves; the other Viacom co-president, Tom Freston, headed wholly-owned MTV.

Viacom also owns the Country Music Television and The Nashville Network cable channels and is the largest outdoor advertising (billboards, etc.) entity in the U.S. Viacom's publishing division includes Simon & Schuster, Scribner, The Free Press, Fireside, and Archway Paperbacks. It distributes videos through its over 8,000 Blockbuster stores. It is also involved in satellite broadcasting, theme parks, and video games.

Viacom's chief claim to fame, however, is as the world's largest provider of cable programming through its Showtime, MTV, Nickelodeon, Black Entertainment Television, and other networks. Since 1989 MTV and Nickelodeon have acquired larger and larger shares of the juvenile television audience. MTV dominates the television market for viewers between the ages of 12 and 24.

Sumner Redstone owns 76 per cent of the shares of Viacom. He offers Jackass as a teen role model and pumps MTV's racially mixed rock and rap videos into 342 million homes in 140 countries and is a dominant cultural influence on White teenagers around the world. MTV also makes race-mixing movies like Save the Last Dance.

Nickelodeon, with over 87 million subscribers, has by far the largest share of the four-to-11-year-old TV audience in America and is expanding rapidly into Europe. Most of its shows do not yet display the blatant degeneracy that is MTV's trademark, but Redstone is gradually nudging the fare presented to his kiddie viewers toward the same poison purveyed by MTV. Nickelodeon continues a 12-year streak as the top cable network for children and younger teenagers.

NBC Universal. Another Jewish media mogul is Edgar Bronfman, Jr. He headed Seagram Company, Ltd., the liquor giant, until its recent merger with Vivendi. His father, Edgar Bronfman, Sr., is president of the World Jewish Congress.

Seagram owned Universal Studios and later purchased Interscope Records, the foremost promoter of "gangsta rap," from Warner. Universal and Interscope now belong to Vivendi Universal, which merged with NBC in May 2004, with the parent company now called NBC Universal.

Bronfman became the biggest man in the record business in May 1998 when he also acquired control of PolyGram, the European record giant, by paying $10.6 billion to the Dutch electronics manufacturer Philips.

In June 2000, the Bronfman family traded Seagram to Vivendi for stock in Vivendi, and Edgar, Jr. became vice chairman of Vivendi. Vivendi was originally a French utilities company, and was then led by Gentile Jean-Marie Messier. A board of directors faction led by Bronfman forced Messier to resign in July 2002.

Vivendi also acquired bisexual Jew Barry Diller's USA Networks in 2002. (Diller is the owner of InterActive Corporation, which owns Expedia, Ticketmaster, The Home Shopping Network, Lending Tree, Hotels.com, CitySearch, Evite, Match.com, and other Internet businesses.) Vivendi combined the USA Network, Universal Studios, Universal Television, and theme parks into Vivendi Universal Entertainment (VUE).

After the Vivendi-NBC merger, Bronfman used his considerable personal profits to strike out on his own, and recently purchased Warner Music from Jewish-dominated Time Warner. The current chairman of NBC Universal is a Gentile often associated with Jewish causes, long-time NBC employee Bob Wright. Ron Meyer, a Jew, is president and chief operating officer of Universal Studios. Stacey Snider, also Jewish, is the chairman of Universal Pictures. The president of NBC Universal Television Group is Jeff Zucker, another Jew.

With two of the top four media conglomerates in the hands of Jews (Disney and Viacom), with Jewish executives running the media operations of NBC Universal, and with Jews filling a large proportion of the executive jobs at Time Warner, it is unlikely that such an overwhelming degree of control came about without a deliberate, concerted effort on the Jews' part.

Other media companies: Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation owns Fox Television Network, Fox News, the FX Channel, 20th Century Fox Films, Fox 2000, and publisher Harper Collins. News Corp. is the fifth largest megamedia corporation in the nation, with 2003 revenues of approximately $19.2 billion. It is the only other media company which comes close to the top four.

Its Fox News Channel has been a key outlet pushing the Jewish neoconservative agenda that lies behind the Iraq War and which animates both the administration of George W. Bush and the "new conservatism" that embraces aggressive Zionism and multiracialism.

Murdoch is nominally a Gentile, but there is some uncertainty about his ancestry and he has vigorously supported Zionism and other Jewish causes throughout his life. (Historian David Irving has published information from a claimed high-level media source who says that Murdoch's mother, Elisabeth Joy Greene, was Jewish, but we have not been able to confirm this.) Murdoch's number two executive is Peter Chernin, who is president and chief operating officer—and a Jew.

Under Chernin, Jews hold key positions in the company: Gail Berman runs Fox Entertainment Group; Mitchell Stern heads satellite television division DirecTV; Jane Friedman is chairman and CEO of Harper Collins; and Thomas Rothman is chairman of Fox Filmed Entertainment. News Corporation also owns the New York Post and TV Guide, and both are published under Chernin's supervision. The primary printed neoconservative journal, The Weekly Standard, is also published by News Corporation and edited by William Kristol, a leading Jewish neocon spokesman and "intellectual."

Most of the television and movie production companies that are not owned by the large media corporations are also controlled by Jews.

For example, Spyglass, an "independent" film producer which has made such films as The Sixth Sense, The Insider, and Shanghai Noon, is controlled by its Jewish founders Gary Barber and Roger Birnbaum, who are co-chairmen. Jonathan Glickman serves as president and Paul Neinstein is executive vice president. Both men are Jews. Spyglass makes movies exclusively for DreamWorks SKG.

The best known of the smaller media companies, DreamWorks SKG, is a strictly kosher affair. DreamWorks was formed in 1994 amid great media hype by recording industry mogul David Geffen, former Disney Pictures chairman Jeffrey Katzenberg, and film director Steven Spielberg, all three of whom are Jews. The company produces movies, animated films, television programs, and recorded music. Considering the cash and connections that Geffen, Katzenberg, and Spielberg have, DreamWorks may soon be in the same league as the big four.

One major studio, Columbia Pictures, is owned by the Japanese multinational firm Sony. Nevertheless, the studio's chairman is Jewess Amy Pascal, and its output fully reflects the Jewish social agenda. Sony's music division recently merged with European music giant BMG to form Sony BMG Music Entertainment, now one of the world's largest music distributors. It is headed by CEO Andrew Lack, formerly president and CEO of NBC—and a Jew. Sony's overall American operations are headed by a Jew named Howard Stringer, formerly of CBS, who hired Lack.

It is well known that Jews have controlled most of the production and distribution of films since shortly after the inception of the movie industry in the early decades of the 20th century. When Walt Disney died in 1966, the last barrier to the total Jewish domination of Hollywood was gone, and Jews were able to grab ownership of the company that Walt built. Since then they have had everything their way in the movie industry.

Films produced by seven of the firms mentioned above—Disney, Warner Brothers, Paramount (Viacom), Universal (NBC Universal), 20th Century Fox (News Corp.), DreamWorks, and Columbia (Sony)—accounted for 94% of total box-office receipts for the year 2003.

The big three in television network broadcasting used to be ABC, CBS, and NBC. With the consolidation of the media empires, these three are no longer independent entities. While they were independent, however, each was controlled by a Jew since its inception: ABC by Leonard Goldenson; NBC first by David Sarnoff and then by his son Robert; and CBS first by William Paley and then by Laurence Tisch. Over several decades these networks were staffed from top to bottom with Jews, and the essential Jewishness of network television did not change when the networks were absorbed by other Jewish-dominated media corporations. The Jewish presence in television news remains particularly strong.

NBC provides a good example of this. The president of NBC News is Neal Shapiro. Jeff Zucker is NBC Universal Television Group president. Reporting directly to Zucker is his close friend Jonathan Wald, formerly an NBC program producer, now a senior consultant for CNBC. David M. Zaslav is president of NBC Cable (and also a director of digital video firm TiVo Inc.). The president of MSNBC is Rick Kaplan. All of these men are Jews.

A similar preponderance of Jews exists in the news divisions of the other networks. Sumner Redstone, Tom Freston, and Les Moonves control Viacom's CBS. Moonves demonstrated his power in 2002 by replacing the entire staff of the new CBS Early Show. He is also a great-nephew of Zionist leader David Ben-Gurion, Israel's first prime minister. Al Ortiz (also a Jew) is executive producer and director of special events coverage for CBS News. Senior executive producer Michael Bass and Victor Neufeld (formerly producer of ABC's 20/20) produce the CBS Early Show; both are Jews.

At ABC, David Westin, who is a Jew according to Jeffrey Blankfort of the Middle East Labor Bulletin, is the president of ABC News. The senior vice president for news at ABC is Paul Slavin, also a Jew. Bernard Gershon, a Jew, is senior vice president/general manager of the ABC News Digital Media Group, in charge of ABCNEWS.com, ABC News Productions, and ABC News Video Source.

The Print Media

After television news, daily newspapers are the most influential information medium in America. About 58 million of them are sold (and presumably read) each day. These millions are divided among some 1,456 different publications. One might conclude that the sheer number of different newspapers across America would provide a safeguard against minority control and distortion. Alas, such is not the case. There is less independence, less competition, and much less representation of majority interests than a casual observer would think.

In 1945, four out of five American newspapers were independently owned and published by local people with close ties to their communities. Those days, however, are gone. Most of the independent newspapers were bought out or driven out of business by the mid-1970s. Today most "local" newspapers are owned by a rather small number of large companies controlled by executives who live and work hundreds or even thousands of miles away. Today less than 20 percent of the country's 1,456 papers are independently owned; the rest belong to multi-newspaper chains. Only 103 of the total number have circulations of more than 100,000. Only a handful are large enough to maintain independent reporting staffs outside their own communities; the rest must depend on these few for all of their national and international news.

The Associated Press (AP), which sells content to newspapers, is currently under the control of its Jewish vice president and managing editor, Michael Silverman, who directs the day-to-day news reporting and supervises the editorial departments. Silverman had directed the AP's national news as assistant managing editor, beginning in 1989. Jewess Ann Levin is AP's national news editor. Silverman and Levin are under Jonathan Wolman, also a Jew, who was promoted to senior vice president of AP in November 2002.

In only two per cent of the cities in America is there more than one daily newspaper, and competition is frequently nominal even among them, as between morning and afternoon editions under the same ownership or under joint operating agreements.

Much of the competition has disappeared through the monopolistic tactics of the Jewish Newhouse family's holding company, Advance Publications. Advance publications buys one of two competing newspapers, and then starts an advertising war by slashing advertising rates, which drives both papers to the edge of bankruptcy. Advance Publications then steps in and buys the competing newspaper. Often both papers continue: one as a morning paper and the other as an evening paper. Eventually, though, one of the papers is closed—giving the Newhouse brothers the only daily newspaper in that city. For example, in 2001 the Newhouses closed the Syracuse Herald-Journal leaving their other Syracuse newspaper, the Post-Journal, with a monopoly.

The Newhouse media empire provides an example of more than the lack of real competition among America's daily newspapers: it also illustrates the insatiable appetite Jews have shown for all the organs of opinion control on which they could fasten their grip. The Newhouses own 31 daily newspapers, including several large and important ones, such as the Cleveland Plain Dealer, the Newark Star-Ledger, and the New Orleans Times-Picayune; Newhouse Broadcasting, consisting of television stations and cable operations; the Sunday supplement Parade, with a circulation of more than 35 million copies per week; some two dozen major magazines, including The New Yorker, Vogue, Wired, Glamour, Vanity Fair, Bride's, Gentlemen's Quarterly, Self, House & Garden, and all the other magazines of the wholly-owned Conde Nast group. The staffing of the magazines is, as you might expect, quite Kosher. Parade can serve as an example: Its publisher is Randy Siegel, its editor and senior vice president is Lee Kravitz, its creative director is Ira Yoffe, its science editor is David H. Levy, and its health editor is Dr. Isadore Rosenfeld.

This Jewish media empire was founded by the late Samuel Newhouse, an immigrant from Russia. When he died in 1979 at the age of 84, he bequeathed media holdings worth an estimated $1.3 billion to his two sons, Samuel and Donald. With a number of further acquisitions, the net worth of Advance Publications has grown to more than $9 billion today. The gobbling up of so many newspapers by the Newhouse family was facilitated by newspapers' revenue structure. Newspapers, to a large degree, are not supported by their subscribers but by their advertisers. It is advertising revenue—not the small change collected from a newspaper's readers—that largely pays the editor's salary and yields the owner's profit. Whenever the large advertisers in a city choose to favor one newspaper over another with their business, the favored newspaper will flourish while its competitor dies. Since the beginning of the last century, when Jewish mercantile power in America became a dominant economic force, there has been a steady rise in the number of American newspapers in Jewish hands, accompanied by a steady decline in the number of competing Gentile newspapers—to some extent a result of selective advertising policies by Jewish merchants.

Furthermore, even those newspapers still under Gentile ownership and management are so thoroughly dependent upon Jewish advertising revenue that their editorial and news reporting policies are largely constrained by Jewish likes and dislikes. It holds true in the newspaper business as elsewhere that he who pays the piper calls the tune.

Three Jewish Newspapers

The suppression of competition and the establishment of local monopolies on the dissemination of news and opinion have characterized the rise of Jewish control over America's newspapers. The resulting ability of the Jews to use the press as an unopposed instrument of Jewish policy could hardly be better illustrated than by the examples of the nation's three most prestigious and influential newspapers: the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, and the Washington Post. These three, dominating America's financial and political capitals, are the newspapers that set the trends and the guidelines for nearly all the others. They are the ones that decide what is news and what isn't at the national and international levels. They originate the news; the others merely copy it. And all three newspapers are in Jewish hands.

The New York Times, with a 2003 circulation of 1,119,000, is the unofficial social, fashion, entertainment, political, and cultural guide of the nation. It tells America's "smart set" which books to buy and which films to see; which opinions are in style at the moment; which politicians, educators, spiritual leaders, artists, and businessmen are the real comers. And for a few decades in the 19th century it was a genuinely American newspaper.

The New York Times was founded in 1851 by two Gentiles, Henry J. Raymond and George Jones. After their deaths, it was purchased in 1896 from Jones's estate by a wealthy Jewish publisher, Adolph Ochs. His great-great-grandson, Arthur Sulzberger, Jr., is the paper's current publisher and the chairman of the New York Times Co. Russell T. Lewis, also a Jew, is president and chief executive officer of The New York Times Company. Michael Golden, another Jew, is vice chairman. Martin Nisenholtz, a Jew, runs their massive Internet operations.

The Sulzberger family also owns, through the New York Times Co., 33 other newspapers, including the Boston Globe, purchased in June 1993 for $1.1 billion; eight TV and two radio broadcasting stations; and more than 40 news-oriented Web operations. It also publishes the International Herald Tribune, the most widely distributed English-language daily in the world. The New York Times News Service transmits news stories, features, and photographs from the New York Times by wire to 506 other newspapers, news agencies, and magazines.

Of similar national importance is the Washington Post, which, by establishing its "leaks" throughout government agencies in Washington, has an inside track on news involving the Federal government.

The Washington Post, like the New York Times, had a non-Jewish origin. It was established in 1877 by Stilson Hutchins, purchased from him in 1905 by John R. McLean, and later inherited by Edward B. McLean. In June 1933, however, at the height of the Great Depression, the newspaper was forced into bankruptcy. It was purchased at a bankruptcy auction by Eugene Meyer, a Jewish financier and former partner of the infamous Bernard Baruch, a Jew who was industry czar in America during the First World War. The Washington Post was run by Katherine Meyer Graham, Eugene Meyer's daughter, until her death in 2001. She was the principal stockholder and board chairman of the Washington Post Company; and she appointed her son, Donald Graham, publisher of the paper in 1979. Donald became Washington Post Company CEO in 1991 and its board chairman in 1993, and the chain of Jewish control at the Post remains unbroken. The newspaper has a daily circulation of 732,000, and its Sunday edition sells over one million copies.

The Washington Post Company has a number of other media holdings in newspapers (the Gazette Newspapers, including 11 military publications); in television (WDIV in Detroit, KPRC in Houston, WPLG in Miami, WKMG in Orlando, KSAT in San Antonio, WJXT in Jacksonville); and in magazines, most notably the nation's number-two weekly newsmagazine, Newsweek.

The Washington Post Company's various television ventures reach a total of about 12 million homes, and its cable TV service, Cable One, has 750,000 subscribers.

The Wall Street Journal sells 1,820,000 copies each weekday and is owned by Dow Jones & Company, Inc., a New York corporation that also publishes 33 other newspapers and the weekly financial tabloid Barron's. The chairman and CEO of Dow Jones is Peter R. Kann, who is a Jew. Kann also holds the posts of chairman and publisher of the Wall Street Journal.

Most of New York's other major newspapers are in no better hands than the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal. In January 1993 the New York Daily News (circulation 729,000) was bought from the estate of the late Jewish media mogul Robert Maxwell (born Ludvik Hoch) by Jewish real-estate developer Mortimer B. Zuckerman. Another Jew, Les Goodstein, is the president and chief operating officer of the New York Daily News. And, as mentioned above, the neocon-slanted New York Post (circulation 652,000) is owned by News Corporation under the supervision of Jew Peter Chernin.

News Magazines

The story is much the same for other media as it is for television, radio, films, music, and newspapers. Consider, for example, newsmagazines. There are only three of any importance published in the United States: Time, Newsweek, and U.S. News & World Report.

Time, with a weekly circulation of 4.1 million, is published by a subsidiary of Time Warner Communications, the news media conglomerate formed by the 1989 merger of Time, Inc., with Warner Communications. The editor-in-chief of Time Warner Communication is Norman Pearlstein, a Jew.

Newsweek, as mentioned above, is published by the Washington Post Company, under the Jew Donald Graham. Its weekly circulation is 3.2 million.

U.S. News & World Report, with a weekly circulation of 2.0 million, is owned and published by the aforementioned Mortimer B. Zuckerman, who also has taken the position of editor-in-chief of the magazine for himself. Zuckerman also owns New York's tabloid newspaper, the Daily News, which is the sixth-largest paper in the nation.

This TFool character is a regular laugh riot!

Onward Christian Soldier!

This TFool tool claims to be of Hispanic origin...

I admit that I'm a bit puzzled here...

How should one address an Hispanic Uncle Tom?


You can address me as "Sir" or "Boss Man".

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Jews are genetically white and will get ahead like you and i. Therefore affirmative action is NOT needed.

Wow. You guys will go to any lengths to maintain your desperate assertions.

I'm sorry, but Jews are semites. Don't believe me? Ask guys like Tom Metzger and David Duke or have you ever heard of a guy named ADOLF HITLER?

Good god! How desperate are you people?


There is no hard proof that "6 million" jews died during the holocaust. But most people believe this because the media quotes that number every chance they get.

Ok, I don't usually bust out with insults right away, but you're a moron and straight out of the "Mahmoud Amadinejad Academy of Anti-Semites that aren't Arabs".
1st i am not defending blacks. But i am tired of the Pro jew nonsense in this country.

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This TFool character is a regular laugh riot!

Onward Christian Soldier!

This TFool tool claims to be of Hispanic origin...

I admit that I'm a bit puzzled here...

How should one address an Hispanic Uncle Tom?
He is a fool if he thinks jews have it worse than blacks :lol:

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I love it when racist people come to the defense of jewish people about
the Holocaust. This fact is most jews used the Holocaust to get to the top.

As a Irish american my family has not been that friendly with blacks. But
we will admit that slavery was 100 times worst than the Holocaust. The fact
is most jews do not face "real" discrimination these days. Blacks still do.

So were my Irish Grandparents who came here looking for a better life
and they were beaten up and spit on by Italians and "WASP" simply for
being Irish.

And TFan i never heard of a racist who defends jews and asians, but only hates
blacks. I thought you were supposed to hate them all. :lol: Give me a break!

wow, amongst the sea of idiots here u may be king... jews use it to get to the top? really? how come i didnt get the memo? im not on top, if only i would have known i can flash pictures of my grandmas numbers to get ahead,i surely would have...or maybe i need pics of dead relatives in ovens? let me know, please...i really wanna be on top...
No sir you're the idiot. I said MOST jews got to the top, not ALL jews. Just read these facts. Don't forget that Hitler was a self hating jew himself. Irish americans never had as good as most jews in this country. This is why most stupid people believe that the holocaust happened read:

Time Warner. The largest media conglomerate today is Time Warner (briefly called AOL-Time Warner; the AOL was dropped from the name when accounting practices at the AOL division were questioned by government investigators), which reached its current form when America Online bought Time Warner for $160 billion in 2000. The combined company had revenue of $39.5 billion in 2003. The merger brought together Steve Case, a Gentile, as chairman of AOL-Time Warner, and Gerald Levin, a Jew, as the CEO. Warner, founded by the Jewish Warner brothers in the early part of the last century, rapidly became part of the Jewish power base in Hollywood, a fact so well-known that it is openly admitted by Jewish authors, as is the fact that each new media acquisition becomes dominated by Jews in turn: Speaking of the initial merger of Time, Inc. with Warner, Jewish writer Michael Wolff said in New York magazine in 2001 "since Time Inc.'s merger with Warner ten years ago, one of the interesting transitions is that it has become a Jewish company." ("From AOL to W," New York magazine, January 29, 2001)

The third most powerful man at AOL-Time Warner, at least on paper, was Vice Chairman Ted Turner, a White Gentile. Turner had traded his Turner Broadcasting System, which included CNN, to Time Warner in 1996 for a large block of Time Warner shares. By April 2001 Levin had effectively fired Ted Turner, eliminating him from any real power. However, Turner remained a very large and outspoken shareholder and member of the board of directors.

Levin overplayed his hand, and in a May 2002 showdown, he was fired by the company's board. For Ted Turner, who had lost $7 billion of his $9 billion due to Levin's mismanagement, it was small solace. Turner remains an outsider with no control over the inner workings of the company. Also under pressure, Steve Case resigned effective in May 2003. The board replaced both Levin and Case with a Black, Richard Parsons. Behind Parsons the Jewish influence and power remains dominant.

AOL is the largest Internet service provider in the world, with 34 million U.S. subscribers. It is now being used as an online platform for the Jewish content from Time Warner. Jodi Kahn and Meg Siesfeld, both Jews, lead the Time Inc. Interactive team under executive editor Ned Desmond, a White Gentile. All three report to Time Inc. editor-in-chief Norman Pearlstine, a Jew. Their job is to transfer Time Warner's content to target specific segments of America Online's audience, especially women, children, and teens.

Time Warner was already the second largest of the international media leviathans when it merged with AOL. Time Warner's subsidiary HBO (26 million subscribers) is the nation's largest pay-TV cable network. HBO's "competitor" Cinemax is another of Time Warner's many cable ventures.

Until the purchase in May 1998 of PolyGram by Jewish billionaire Edgar Bronfman, Jr., Warner Music was America's largest record company, with 50 labels. Warner Music was an early promoter of "gangsta rap." Through its involvement with Interscope Records (prior to Interscope's acquisition by another Jewish-owned media firm), it helped to popularize a genre whose graphic lyrics explicitly urge Blacks to commit acts of violence against Whites. Bronfman purchased Warner Music in 2004, keeping it solidly in Jewish hands.

In addition to cable and music, Time Warner is heavily involved in the production of feature films (Warner Brothers Studio, Castle Rock Entertainment, and New Line Cinema). Time Warner's publishing division is managed by its editor-in-chief, Norman Pearlstein, a Jew. He controls 50 magazines including Time, Life, Sports Illustrated, and People. Book publishing ventures include Time-Life Books, Book-of-the-Month Club, Little Brown, and many others. Time Warner also owns Shoutcast and Winamp, the very tools that most independent Internet radio broadcasters rely on, and, as a dominant player in the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA), was essentially "negotiating" with itself when Internet radio music royalty rules were set that strongly favored large content providers and forced many small broadcasters into silence. (The Register, "AOL Time Warner takes grip of net radio," 8th April 2003)

Ted Turner's Lesson: "Be very careful with whom you merge."

When Ted Turner, the Gentile media maverick, made a bid to buy CBS in 1985, there was panic in the media boardrooms across the country. Turner had made a fortune in advertising and then built a successful cable-TV news network, CNN, with over 70 million subscribers.

Although Turner had never taken a stand contrary to Jewish interests, he was regarded by William Paley and the other Jews at CBS as uncontrollable: a loose cannon who might at some time in the future turn against them. Furthermore, Jewish newsman Daniel Schorr, who had worked for Turner, publicly charged that his former boss held a personal dislike for Jews.

To block Turner's bid, CBS executives invited billionaire Jewish theater, hotel, insurance, and cigarette magnate Laurence Tisch to launch a "friendly" takeover of CBS. From 1986 to 1995 Tisch was the chairman and CEO of CBS, removing any threat of non-Jewish influence there. Subsequent efforts by Ted Turner to acquire CBS were obstructed by Gerald Levin's Time Warner, which owned nearly 20 percent of CBS stock and had veto power over major deals. But when his fellow Jew Sumner Redstone offered to buy CBS for $34.8 billion in 1999, Levin had no objections.

Thus, despite being an innovator and garnering headlines, Turner never commanded the "connections" necessary for being a media master. He finally decided if you can't lick 'em, join 'em, and he sold out to Levin's Time Warner. Ted Turner summed it up:

"I've had an incredible life for the most part. I made a lot of smart moves, and I made a lot of money. Then something happened, and I merged with Time Warner, which looked like the right thing to do at the time. And it was good for shareholders.

"But then I lost control. I thought I would have enough moral authority to have all the influence in the new company. If you go into business, be very careful with whom you merge.

"I thought I was buying Time Warner, but they were buying me. We had kind of a difference in viewpoint. Then they merged with AOL, and that was a complete disaster, at least so far. I have lost 85 percent of my wealth."



Disney. The second-largest media conglomerate today, with 2003 revenues of $27.1 billion, is the Walt Disney Company. Its leading personality and CEO, Michael Eisner, is a Jew.

The Disney empire, headed by a man described by one media analyst as a "control freak," includes several television production companies (Walt Disney Television, Touchstone Television, Buena Vista Television) and cable networks with more than 100 million subscribers altogether. As for feature films, the Walt Disney Motion Pictures Group includes Walt Disney Pictures, Touchstone Pictures, Hollywood Pictures, and Caravan Pictures. Disney also owns Miramax Films, run by the Jewish Weinstein brothers, Bob and Harvey, who have produced such ultra-raunchy movies as The Crying Game, Priest, and Kids.

When the Disney Company was run by the Gentile Disney family prior to its takeover by Eisner in 1984, it epitomized wholesome family entertainment. While it still holds the rights to Snow White, the company under Eisner has expanded into the production of a great deal of so-called "adult" material.

In August 1995, Eisner acquired Capital Cities/ABC, Inc., which owns the ABC television network, which in turn owns ten TV stations outright in such big markets as New York, Chicago, Philadelphia, Los Angeles, San Francisco, and Houston. In addition, in the United States ABC has 225 affiliated TV stations, over 2,900 affiliated radio stations and produces over 7,200 radio programs. ABC owns 54 radio stations and operates 57 radio stations, many in major cities such as New York, Washington, and Los Angeles. Radio Disney, part of ABC Radio Networks, provides programming targeting children.

Sports network ESPN, an ABC cable subsidiary, is headed by President and CEO George W. Bodenheimer, who is a Jew. The corporation also controls the Disney Channel, Toon Disney, A&E, Lifetime Television, SOAPnet and the History Channel, with between 86 and 88 million subscribers each. The ABC Family television network has 84 million subscribers and, in addition to broadcasting entertainment (some of it quite raunchy for a "family" channel), is also the network outlet for Christian Zionist TV evangelist Pat Robertson.

Although primarily a telecommunications company, ABC/Disney earns over $1 billion in publishing, owning Walt Disney Company Book Publishing, Hyperion Books, and Miramax Books. It also owns six daily newspapers and publishes over 20 magazines. Disney Publishing Worldwide publishes books and magazines in 55 languages in 74 countries, reaching more than 100 million readers each month

On the Internet, Disney runs Buena Vista Internet Group, ABC Internet Group, ABC.com, ABCNEWS.com, Oscar.com, Mr. Showbiz, Disney Online, Disney's Daily Blast, Disney.com, Family.com, ESPN Internet Group, ESPN.sportzone.com, Soccernet.com, NFL.com, NBA.com, Infoseek (partial ownership), and Disney Interactive.

Viacom. Number three on the list, with 2003 revenues of just over $26.5 billion, is Viacom, Inc., headed by Sumner Redstone (born Murray Rothstein), a Jew. Melvin A. Karmazin, another Jew, was number two at Viacom until June 2004, holding the positions of president and chief operating officer. Karmazin remains a large Viacom shareholder. Replacing Karmazin as co-presidents and co-COOs are a Jew, Leslie Moonves, and Tom Freston, a possible Jew. (We have been unable to confirm Freston's Jewish ancestry; he has done work for Jewish organizations and was involved in the garment trade, a heavily Jewish industry, importing clothing from the Third World to the U.S. in the 1970s.)

Viacom produces and distributes TV programs for the three largest networks, owns 39 television stations outright with another 200 affiliates in its wholly-owned CBS Television Network, owns 185 radio stations in its Infinity radio group, and has over 1,500 affiliated stations through its CBS Radio Network. It produces feature films through Paramount Pictures, headed by Jewess Sherry Lansing (born Sherry Lee Heimann), who is planning to retire at the end of 2005.

Viacom was formed in 1971 as a way to dodge an anti-monopoly FCC ruling that required CBS to spin off a part of its cable TV operations and syndicated programming business. This move by the government unfortunately did nothing to reduce the mostly Jewish collaborative monopoly that remains the major problem with the industry. In 1999, after CBS had again augmented itself by buying King World Productions (a leading TV program syndicator), Viacom acquired its progenitor company, CBS, in a double mockery of the spirit of the 1971 ruling.

Redstone acquired CBS following the December 1999 stockholders' votes at CBS and Viacom. CBS Television has long been headed by the previously mentioned Leslie Moonves; the other Viacom co-president, Tom Freston, headed wholly-owned MTV.

Viacom also owns the Country Music Television and The Nashville Network cable channels and is the largest outdoor advertising (billboards, etc.) entity in the U.S. Viacom's publishing division includes Simon & Schuster, Scribner, The Free Press, Fireside, and Archway Paperbacks. It distributes videos through its over 8,000 Blockbuster stores. It is also involved in satellite broadcasting, theme parks, and video games.

Viacom's chief claim to fame, however, is as the world's largest provider of cable programming through its Showtime, MTV, Nickelodeon, Black Entertainment Television, and other networks. Since 1989 MTV and Nickelodeon have acquired larger and larger shares of the juvenile television audience. MTV dominates the television market for viewers between the ages of 12 and 24.

Sumner Redstone owns 76 per cent of the shares of Viacom. He offers Jackass as a teen role model and pumps MTV's racially mixed rock and rap videos into 342 million homes in 140 countries and is a dominant cultural influence on White teenagers around the world. MTV also makes race-mixing movies like Save the Last Dance.

Nickelodeon, with over 87 million subscribers, has by far the largest share of the four-to-11-year-old TV audience in America and is expanding rapidly into Europe. Most of its shows do not yet display the blatant degeneracy that is MTV's trademark, but Redstone is gradually nudging the fare presented to his kiddie viewers toward the same poison purveyed by MTV. Nickelodeon continues a 12-year streak as the top cable network for children and younger teenagers.

NBC Universal. Another Jewish media mogul is Edgar Bronfman, Jr. He headed Seagram Company, Ltd., the liquor giant, until its recent merger with Vivendi. His father, Edgar Bronfman, Sr., is president of the World Jewish Congress.

Seagram owned Universal Studios and later purchased Interscope Records, the foremost promoter of "gangsta rap," from Warner. Universal and Interscope now belong to Vivendi Universal, which merged with NBC in May 2004, with the parent company now called NBC Universal.

Bronfman became the biggest man in the record business in May 1998 when he also acquired control of PolyGram, the European record giant, by paying $10.6 billion to the Dutch electronics manufacturer Philips.

In June 2000, the Bronfman family traded Seagram to Vivendi for stock in Vivendi, and Edgar, Jr. became vice chairman of Vivendi. Vivendi was originally a French utilities company, and was then led by Gentile Jean-Marie Messier. A board of directors faction led by Bronfman forced Messier to resign in July 2002.

Vivendi also acquired bisexual Jew Barry Diller's USA Networks in 2002. (Diller is the owner of InterActive Corporation, which owns Expedia, Ticketmaster, The Home Shopping Network, Lending Tree, Hotels.com, CitySearch, Evite, Match.com, and other Internet businesses.) Vivendi combined the USA Network, Universal Studios, Universal Television, and theme parks into Vivendi Universal Entertainment (VUE).

After the Vivendi-NBC merger, Bronfman used his considerable personal profits to strike out on his own, and recently purchased Warner Music from Jewish-dominated Time Warner. The current chairman of NBC Universal is a Gentile often associated with Jewish causes, long-time NBC employee Bob Wright. Ron Meyer, a Jew, is president and chief operating officer of Universal Studios. Stacey Snider, also Jewish, is the chairman of Universal Pictures. The president of NBC Universal Television Group is Jeff Zucker, another Jew.

With two of the top four media conglomerates in the hands of Jews (Disney and Viacom), with Jewish executives running the media operations of NBC Universal, and with Jews filling a large proportion of the executive jobs at Time Warner, it is unlikely that such an overwhelming degree of control came about without a deliberate, concerted effort on the Jews' part.

Other media companies: Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation owns Fox Television Network, Fox News, the FX Channel, 20th Century Fox Films, Fox 2000, and publisher Harper Collins. News Corp. is the fifth largest megamedia corporation in the nation, with 2003 revenues of approximately $19.2 billion. It is the only other media company which comes close to the top four.

Its Fox News Channel has been a key outlet pushing the Jewish neoconservative agenda that lies behind the Iraq War and which animates both the administration of George W. Bush and the "new conservatism" that embraces aggressive Zionism and multiracialism.

Murdoch is nominally a Gentile, but there is some uncertainty about his ancestry and he has vigorously supported Zionism and other Jewish causes throughout his life. (Historian David Irving has published information from a claimed high-level media source who says that Murdoch's mother, Elisabeth Joy Greene, was Jewish, but we have not been able to confirm this.) Murdoch's number two executive is Peter Chernin, who is president and chief operating officer—and a Jew.

Under Chernin, Jews hold key positions in the company: Gail Berman runs Fox Entertainment Group; Mitchell Stern heads satellite television division DirecTV; Jane Friedman is chairman and CEO of Harper Collins; and Thomas Rothman is chairman of Fox Filmed Entertainment. News Corporation also owns the New York Post and TV Guide, and both are published under Chernin's supervision. The primary printed neoconservative journal, The Weekly Standard, is also published by News Corporation and edited by William Kristol, a leading Jewish neocon spokesman and "intellectual."

Most of the television and movie production companies that are not owned by the large media corporations are also controlled by Jews.

For example, Spyglass, an "independent" film producer which has made such films as The Sixth Sense, The Insider, and Shanghai Noon, is controlled by its Jewish founders Gary Barber and Roger Birnbaum, who are co-chairmen. Jonathan Glickman serves as president and Paul Neinstein is executive vice president. Both men are Jews. Spyglass makes movies exclusively for DreamWorks SKG.

The best known of the smaller media companies, DreamWorks SKG, is a strictly kosher affair. DreamWorks was formed in 1994 amid great media hype by recording industry mogul David Geffen, former Disney Pictures chairman Jeffrey Katzenberg, and film director Steven Spielberg, all three of whom are Jews. The company produces movies, animated films, television programs, and recorded music. Considering the cash and connections that Geffen, Katzenberg, and Spielberg have, DreamWorks may soon be in the same league as the big four.

One major studio, Columbia Pictures, is owned by the Japanese multinational firm Sony. Nevertheless, the studio's chairman is Jewess Amy Pascal, and its output fully reflects the Jewish social agenda. Sony's music division recently merged with European music giant BMG to form Sony BMG Music Entertainment, now one of the world's largest music distributors. It is headed by CEO Andrew Lack, formerly president and CEO of NBC—and a Jew. Sony's overall American operations are headed by a Jew named Howard Stringer, formerly of CBS, who hired Lack.

It is well known that Jews have controlled most of the production and distribution of films since shortly after the inception of the movie industry in the early decades of the 20th century. When Walt Disney died in 1966, the last barrier to the total Jewish domination of Hollywood was gone, and Jews were able to grab ownership of the company that Walt built. Since then they have had everything their way in the movie industry.

Films produced by seven of the firms mentioned above—Disney, Warner Brothers, Paramount (Viacom), Universal (NBC Universal), 20th Century Fox (News Corp.), DreamWorks, and Columbia (Sony)—accounted for 94% of total box-office receipts for the year 2003.

The big three in television network broadcasting used to be ABC, CBS, and NBC. With the consolidation of the media empires, these three are no longer independent entities. While they were independent, however, each was controlled by a Jew since its inception: ABC by Leonard Goldenson; NBC first by David Sarnoff and then by his son Robert; and CBS first by William Paley and then by Laurence Tisch. Over several decades these networks were staffed from top to bottom with Jews, and the essential Jewishness of network television did not change when the networks were absorbed by other Jewish-dominated media corporations. The Jewish presence in television news remains particularly strong.

NBC provides a good example of this. The president of NBC News is Neal Shapiro. Jeff Zucker is NBC Universal Television Group president. Reporting directly to Zucker is his close friend Jonathan Wald, formerly an NBC program producer, now a senior consultant for CNBC. David M. Zaslav is president of NBC Cable (and also a director of digital video firm TiVo Inc.). The president of MSNBC is Rick Kaplan. All of these men are Jews.

A similar preponderance of Jews exists in the news divisions of the other networks. Sumner Redstone, Tom Freston, and Les Moonves control Viacom's CBS. Moonves demonstrated his power in 2002 by replacing the entire staff of the new CBS Early Show. He is also a great-nephew of Zionist leader David Ben-Gurion, Israel's first prime minister. Al Ortiz (also a Jew) is executive producer and director of special events coverage for CBS News. Senior executive producer Michael Bass and Victor Neufeld (formerly producer of ABC's 20/20) produce the CBS Early Show; both are Jews.

At ABC, David Westin, who is a Jew according to Jeffrey Blankfort of the Middle East Labor Bulletin, is the president of ABC News. The senior vice president for news at ABC is Paul Slavin, also a Jew. Bernard Gershon, a Jew, is senior vice president/general manager of the ABC News Digital Media Group, in charge of ABCNEWS.com, ABC News Productions, and ABC News Video Source.

The Print Media

After television news, daily newspapers are the most influential information medium in America. About 58 million of them are sold (and presumably read) each day. These millions are divided among some 1,456 different publications. One might conclude that the sheer number of different newspapers across America would provide a safeguard against minority control and distortion. Alas, such is not the case. There is less independence, less competition, and much less representation of majority interests than a casual observer would think.

In 1945, four out of five American newspapers were independently owned and published by local people with close ties to their communities. Those days, however, are gone. Most of the independent newspapers were bought out or driven out of business by the mid-1970s. Today most "local" newspapers are owned by a rather small number of large companies controlled by executives who live and work hundreds or even thousands of miles away. Today less than 20 percent of the country's 1,456 papers are independently owned; the rest belong to multi-newspaper chains. Only 103 of the total number have circulations of more than 100,000. Only a handful are large enough to maintain independent reporting staffs outside their own communities; the rest must depend on these few for all of their national and international news.

The Associated Press (AP), which sells content to newspapers, is currently under the control of its Jewish vice president and managing editor, Michael Silverman, who directs the day-to-day news reporting and supervises the editorial departments. Silverman had directed the AP's national news as assistant managing editor, beginning in 1989. Jewess Ann Levin is AP's national news editor. Silverman and Levin are under Jonathan Wolman, also a Jew, who was promoted to senior vice president of AP in November 2002.

In only two per cent of the cities in America is there more than one daily newspaper, and competition is frequently nominal even among them, as between morning and afternoon editions under the same ownership or under joint operating agreements.

Much of the competition has disappeared through the monopolistic tactics of the Jewish Newhouse family's holding company, Advance Publications. Advance publications buys one of two competing newspapers, and then starts an advertising war by slashing advertising rates, which drives both papers to the edge of bankruptcy. Advance Publications then steps in and buys the competing newspaper. Often both papers continue: one as a morning paper and the other as an evening paper. Eventually, though, one of the papers is closed—giving the Newhouse brothers the only daily newspaper in that city. For example, in 2001 the Newhouses closed the Syracuse Herald-Journal leaving their other Syracuse newspaper, the Post-Journal, with a monopoly.

The Newhouse media empire provides an example of more than the lack of real competition among America's daily newspapers: it also illustrates the insatiable appetite Jews have shown for all the organs of opinion control on which they could fasten their grip. The Newhouses own 31 daily newspapers, including several large and important ones, such as the Cleveland Plain Dealer, the Newark Star-Ledger, and the New Orleans Times-Picayune; Newhouse Broadcasting, consisting of television stations and cable operations; the Sunday supplement Parade, with a circulation of more than 35 million copies per week; some two dozen major magazines, including The New Yorker, Vogue, Wired, Glamour, Vanity Fair, Bride's, Gentlemen's Quarterly, Self, House & Garden, and all the other magazines of the wholly-owned Conde Nast group. The staffing of the magazines is, as you might expect, quite Kosher. Parade can serve as an example: Its publisher is Randy Siegel, its editor and senior vice president is Lee Kravitz, its creative director is Ira Yoffe, its science editor is David H. Levy, and its health editor is Dr. Isadore Rosenfeld.

This Jewish media empire was founded by the late Samuel Newhouse, an immigrant from Russia. When he died in 1979 at the age of 84, he bequeathed media holdings worth an estimated $1.3 billion to his two sons, Samuel and Donald. With a number of further acquisitions, the net worth of Advance Publications has grown to more than $9 billion today. The gobbling up of so many newspapers by the Newhouse family was facilitated by newspapers' revenue structure. Newspapers, to a large degree, are not supported by their subscribers but by their advertisers. It is advertising revenue—not the small change collected from a newspaper's readers—that largely pays the editor's salary and yields the owner's profit. Whenever the large advertisers in a city choose to favor one newspaper over another with their business, the favored newspaper will flourish while its competitor dies. Since the beginning of the last century, when Jewish mercantile power in America became a dominant economic force, there has been a steady rise in the number of American newspapers in Jewish hands, accompanied by a steady decline in the number of competing Gentile newspapers—to some extent a result of selective advertising policies by Jewish merchants.

Furthermore, even those newspapers still under Gentile ownership and management are so thoroughly dependent upon Jewish advertising revenue that their editorial and news reporting policies are largely constrained by Jewish likes and dislikes. It holds true in the newspaper business as elsewhere that he who pays the piper calls the tune.

Three Jewish Newspapers

The suppression of competition and the establishment of local monopolies on the dissemination of news and opinion have characterized the rise of Jewish control over America's newspapers. The resulting ability of the Jews to use the press as an unopposed instrument of Jewish policy could hardly be better illustrated than by the examples of the nation's three most prestigious and influential newspapers: the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, and the Washington Post. These three, dominating America's financial and political capitals, are the newspapers that set the trends and the guidelines for nearly all the others. They are the ones that decide what is news and what isn't at the national and international levels. They originate the news; the others merely copy it. And all three newspapers are in Jewish hands.

The New York Times, with a 2003 circulation of 1,119,000, is the unofficial social, fashion, entertainment, political, and cultural guide of the nation. It tells America's "smart set" which books to buy and which films to see; which opinions are in style at the moment; which politicians, educators, spiritual leaders, artists, and businessmen are the real comers. And for a few decades in the 19th century it was a genuinely American newspaper.

The New York Times was founded in 1851 by two Gentiles, Henry J. Raymond and George Jones. After their deaths, it was purchased in 1896 from Jones's estate by a wealthy Jewish publisher, Adolph Ochs. His great-great-grandson, Arthur Sulzberger, Jr., is the paper's current publisher and the chairman of the New York Times Co. Russell T. Lewis, also a Jew, is president and chief executive officer of The New York Times Company. Michael Golden, another Jew, is vice chairman. Martin Nisenholtz, a Jew, runs their massive Internet operations.

The Sulzberger family also owns, through the New York Times Co., 33 other newspapers, including the Boston Globe, purchased in June 1993 for $1.1 billion; eight TV and two radio broadcasting stations; and more than 40 news-oriented Web operations. It also publishes the International Herald Tribune, the most widely distributed English-language daily in the world. The New York Times News Service transmits news stories, features, and photographs from the New York Times by wire to 506 other newspapers, news agencies, and magazines.

Of similar national importance is the Washington Post, which, by establishing its "leaks" throughout government agencies in Washington, has an inside track on news involving the Federal government.

The Washington Post, like the New York Times, had a non-Jewish origin. It was established in 1877 by Stilson Hutchins, purchased from him in 1905 by John R. McLean, and later inherited by Edward B. McLean. In June 1933, however, at the height of the Great Depression, the newspaper was forced into bankruptcy. It was purchased at a bankruptcy auction by Eugene Meyer, a Jewish financier and former partner of the infamous Bernard Baruch, a Jew who was industry czar in America during the First World War. The Washington Post was run by Katherine Meyer Graham, Eugene Meyer's daughter, until her death in 2001. She was the principal stockholder and board chairman of the Washington Post Company; and she appointed her son, Donald Graham, publisher of the paper in 1979. Donald became Washington Post Company CEO in 1991 and its board chairman in 1993, and the chain of Jewish control at the Post remains unbroken. The newspaper has a daily circulation of 732,000, and its Sunday edition sells over one million copies.

The Washington Post Company has a number of other media holdings in newspapers (the Gazette Newspapers, including 11 military publications); in television (WDIV in Detroit, KPRC in Houston, WPLG in Miami, WKMG in Orlando, KSAT in San Antonio, WJXT in Jacksonville); and in magazines, most notably the nation's number-two weekly newsmagazine, Newsweek.

The Washington Post Company's various television ventures reach a total of about 12 million homes, and its cable TV service, Cable One, has 750,000 subscribers.

The Wall Street Journal sells 1,820,000 copies each weekday and is owned by Dow Jones & Company, Inc., a New York corporation that also publishes 33 other newspapers and the weekly financial tabloid Barron's. The chairman and CEO of Dow Jones is Peter R. Kann, who is a Jew. Kann also holds the posts of chairman and publisher of the Wall Street Journal.

Most of New York's other major newspapers are in no better hands than the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal. In January 1993 the New York Daily News (circulation 729,000) was bought from the estate of the late Jewish media mogul Robert Maxwell (born Ludvik Hoch) by Jewish real-estate developer Mortimer B. Zuckerman. Another Jew, Les Goodstein, is the president and chief operating officer of the New York Daily News. And, as mentioned above, the neocon-slanted New York Post (circulation 652,000) is owned by News Corporation under the supervision of Jew Peter Chernin.

News Magazines

The story is much the same for other media as it is for television, radio, films, music, and newspapers. Consider, for example, newsmagazines. There are only three of any importance published in the United States: Time, Newsweek, and U.S. News & World Report.

Time, with a weekly circulation of 4.1 million, is published by a subsidiary of Time Warner Communications, the news media conglomerate formed by the 1989 merger of Time, Inc., with Warner Communications. The editor-in-chief of Time Warner Communication is Norman Pearlstein, a Jew.

Newsweek, as mentioned above, is published by the Washington Post Company, under the Jew Donald Graham. Its weekly circulation is 3.2 million.

U.S. News & World Report, with a weekly circulation of 2.0 million, is owned and published by the aforementioned Mortimer B. Zuckerman, who also has taken the position of editor-in-chief of the magazine for himself. Zuckerman also owns New York's tabloid newspaper, the Daily News, which is the sixth-largest paper in the nation.

Mel Gibson.... is that you?

You really need to STFU and hire a decent PR rep, bloke. :roll:

[fitz207]

Jews are genetically white and will get ahead like you and i. Therefore affirmative action is NOT needed.

Wow. You guys will go to any lengths to maintain your desperate assertions.

I'm sorry, but Jews are semites. Don't believe me? Ask guys like Tom Metzger and David Duke or have you ever heard of a guy named ADOLF HITLER?

Good god! How desperate are you people?


There is no hard proof that "6 million" jews died during the holocaust. But most people believe this because the media quotes that number every chance they get.

Ok, I don't usually bust out with insults right away, but you're a moron and straight out of the "Mahmoud Amadinejad Academy of Anti-Semites that aren't Arabs".

Tfan

How desperate are you people?
What people are you talking about? If you're REALLY Hispanic. What do you think about all of those Mexicans coming over here. In California they make up a large amount of the rapist and murdurers of white people. I really think they are worst than blacks IMO. I'm only talking about illegal aliens. I have a problem with people who come here and can't speak a word of english. My Irish people came here and respected the laws and tradictions of America. Of course we have bad Irish people, the same as all people. But you can't talk about blacks. When millions of illegals are coming over here and not respecting our laws either. They will pass both black and white americans in numbers in a few years, and will turn our country into a 3rd world nation. Again i'm NOT defending blacks. I just don't see blacks as a REAL threat to America. The Mexicans are the ones i worry about. Just look at the southwest united states.

[fitz207]

Mel Gibson.... is that you?

You really need to STFU and hire a decent PR rep, bloke. :roll:
Say what you want but Mel was telling the truth. :lol:

[chefmike]

TFool and fitz207.....

Twin morons of different mothers....

[fitz207]

TFan

I'm sorry, but Jews are semites.
What planet do you live on? Im talking about American Jews like Barbara streisand. How many middle eastern jews have Blond hair and Light colored eyes. Most american jews are of Eastern European stock. Since israel is in the middle eastern region it's fare to say that REAL are of middle eastern stock. A semite would be more like an easten African.

What people are you talking about?

Let me be more specific. How desperate are you racial apologists?


If you're REALLY Hispanic. What do you think about all of those Mexicans coming over here. In California they make up a large amount of the rapist and murdurers of white people.

You are wrong.


I'm only talking about illegal aliens. I have a problem with people who come here and can't speak a word of english.

So do I.


My Irish people came here and respected the laws and tradictions of America.

LMAO@ "My Irish people".


Of course we have bad Irish people, the same as all people. But you can't talk about blacks. When millions of illegals are coming over here and not respecting our laws either. They will pass both black and white americans in numbers in a few years, and will turn our country into a 3rd world nation.

White americans have been saying that since the "Bucktooth Chinaman" of the 1870's to the "Chinese Laundrymen" of the 1950's. These were the popular ethnic slurs hurled at chinese since the beginning of Chinese immigration to America. And at every wave of immigration there were whitemen making the same claims. Even with Italian immigration, Anglo-Americans were screaming about "Sicilian crime in America".

The facts are these. There are real reasons this country is becoming darker and white people can point the finger squarely at themselves for it all. Back when white people were good Christian men and women, value was place on the nuclear family. Value was placed on morality. Value was place on man and wife and children. The rule of law.

Then something happened. White people forgot the importance of god and family. They forgot why and how America won the Civil War, WW1 and WW2. God and family were replaced by selfish possessions and vanity. Faith was replaced by greed.

The GREATEST GENERATION suffered through the Great Depression and WW2. They came home, enjoyed the peaceful life, loved and spoiled their children and in the spoiling process they raised narcissistic BABY BOOMERS.

This narcissism, this self-destructive self-indulging generation destroyed not only themselves but the fiber that this country was built from. Add the birth control pill and radical feminism and you'll see WHY the white population is on the decline. You simply aren't reproducing yourselves at rate with the rest of the world. And it isn't just in America. This perversion has swept from Germany to Japan. It's the brown countries that are in population explosion and the white countries that are self-indulging.

If you want to blame someone for the darkening of America, blame yourselves. Blame every white woman on birth control, blame every white homosexual, blame every white 40 something without child. Blame your materialism and narcissism.

Seriously. It's not darky's fault you don't worship the beauty of children and family but you do your drugs, alcohol, bathhouses, Mercedez Benz and flat screen TV's. And when you do have children, you leave them in day care so you can afford to live in your McMansions. Then you wonder why your kids turned out confused and faggoty. It's because the cats in the cradle. THEY DON'T KNOW YOU! The sons don't know the fathers and the daughters don't know their mothers so they grow up not knowing what they are. They don't know how to be men OR women.


Again i'm NOT defending blacks. I just don't see blacks as a REAL threat to America. The Mexicans are the ones i worry about. Just look at the southwest united states.

Hey dude. We have families. We're catholics [well I'm Christian]. We celebrate Christmas, Easter and Valentines day. Our families average out about 6. Do we have some bastard salvatrucha? Yeah. Are there evil motherfuckers coming across the border? Hell yeah. But I've said this before. If we have to have immigration, I'd rather it be a people rooted in Western Values than Asian or Arab.

This country has to have population for it to compete for global resources. If whitey wants a whiter population, you should have some white kids for a change. If not, I see nothing wrong with bringing in people who share our religion, values and work ethic by and large.

TFan

I'm sorry, but Jews are semites.
What planet do you live on? Im talking about American Jews like Barbara streisand. How many middle eastern jews have Blond hair and Light colored eyes. Most american jews are of Eastern European stock. Since israel is in the middle eastern region it's fare to say that REAL are of middle eastern stock. A semite would be more like an easten African.

Yeah Jr. "Nose" is a semite, too. Granted, a talent-less hack of a semite, but she's a semite none the less.

By your ignorant logic, there's a lot of white people in Iran as well simply because many persians have blue eyes.

Good god! You're a moron!

[templek]

Re: Fitz207 long posting about Jews in the media above. To me it seems to have come straight from some extreme right wing group of holocaust deniers, jewish conspiracy theorists and other similar BS. Their facts are made up or from sources that can not be authenitcated. The give away is by quoting David Irving. He is aproven liar who makes up 'facts', or uses 'artistic license' in his hitler book.

The US position on Israel is not due to the so called 'Jewish Lobby'. It is the christian fundamentalists who are more pro zionist than many jews. They believe according to their interpretation of the bible, that Israel must not b divided, allowed to expand to as it was in the bible, (which doesnt clealy define its borders). Then according to prophecy the jews will build their temple, and then Jesus will return. Strange but true! Well I didnt know god will return when us down here make him. I thought he will do so when he pleases.

I had to laugh at those who claim their migrant ancestors respected American values and traditons. It meant of course denying human rights to blacks and theft of land belonging to native Indians. It was either an American dream or nightmare depending on who you were.

I heard white supremacists like Metzer condemn immigration and how they would have sunk slave ships, or the modern day boats the illegals arrive on. America , along with Australia and other colonies was originally a 'dumping ground' for the suprlus lowlife or wanted folk in Britain and Europe. So its not surprising their descendants raise their ugly heads with their bigotry

[fitz207]

Re: Fitz207 long posting about Jews in the media above. To me it seems to have come straight from some extreme right wing group of holocaust deniers, jewish conspiracy theorists and other similar BS. Their facts are made up or from sources that can not be authenitcated. The give away is by quoting David Irving. He is aproven liar who makes up 'facts', or uses 'artistic license' in his hitler book.

The US position on Israel is not due to the so called 'Jewish Lobby'. It is the christian fundamentalists who are more pro zionist than many jews. They believe according to their interpretation of the bible, that Israel must not b divided, allowed to expand to as it was in the bible, (which doesnt clealy define its borders). Then according to prophecy the jews will build their temple, and then Jesus will return. Strange but true! Well I didnt know god will return when us down here make him. I thought he will do so when he pleases.

I had to laugh at those who claim their migrant ancestors respected American values and traditons. It meant of course denying human rights to blacks and theft of land belonging to native Indians. It was either an American dream or nightmare depending on who you were.

I heard white supremacists like Metzer condemn immigration and how they would have sunk slave ships, or the modern day boats the illegals arrive on. America , along with Australia and other colonies was originally a 'dumping ground' for the suprlus lowlife or wanted folk in Britain and Europe. So its not surprising their descendants raise their ugly heads with their bigotry
First My family had 0 do with slavery since they in 1920. I don't think was slavery in New York City. Was There?

[fitz207]

TFan

I'm sorry, but Jews are semites.
What planet do you live on? Im talking about American Jews like Barbara streisand. How many middle eastern jews have Blond hair and Light colored eyes. Most american jews are of Eastern European stock. Since israel is in the middle eastern region it's fare to say that REAL are of middle eastern stock. A semite would be more like an easten African.

Yeah Jr. "Nose" is a semite, too. Granted, a talent-less hack of a semite, but she's a semite none the less.

By your ignorant logic, there's a lot of white people in Iran as well simply because many persians have blue eyes.

Good god! You're a moron!
You're the moron. 1st i'm speaking in general terms, of course there are some exceptions to every rule. Alot Iranians are mixed with european blood. But that does not them white by scandinavian standards. Scandinavian's are the ancient descendants of most western europeans. along with the Anglo's and Saxons. So unless you can trace your roots back to these people with no mixing of other races. You are NOT a PURE white person.

[suckseed]

Here's an observation. I was thinking about something that happened to me yesterday. I only read the last page of this thread so far because just as i thought it got into a lot of name calling, so this isn't related to anything.
I live in a pretty working-class neighborhood. My street's full of white old ladies, but two blocks over, there's a predominantly black neighborhood. That's where the Safeway is, so I see a lot of black folks when I go - and let me tell you, it's nice to be out of all-white Colorado.
Now I make it a habit to make eye contact and give a nod of the head or say hi to people when our eyes meet. About half the time, people react positively, and the rest of them act like they wonder what my game is. Which I find kind of amusing. I'm just acknowledging you, brother, relax.
Before I go on, let me say that I understand that you can't make generalizations about a race of people.
But I wonder sometimes about the really unfriendly or surprised black people that i encounter. What I think is, "We're living in 2007! Are these folks really encountering that much hostility and racism from whites that they're suspicious of me?"
Because if that's the way it is for people of color, black, brown, whatever, then in spite of all the so-called progress we've made, then I'd say that while maybe as a society we're more polite, it's all mostly just for show, and people still haven't learned to accept and try to understand each other. And that's a shame.
Anyway, yesterday, I park in what I thought was the post office, but there's just a laundromat. There's a black lady getting out of her car with some kids, and I say to her, "I thought there was a post office around here." She said," Mmm, I don't know. Just be careful reading the signs."
I'm not sure what that meant. So I go around the corner, and there it is. I get in line, and after I drop off my stuff I turn to go, and there's the lady and kids in line behind me with a box to ship, and I think wtf? you couldn't tell me it's around the corner?
I don't draw any racial conclusions from this. Obviously a white lady could have done the same thing or a black lady could have been friendly.
Maybe her problem was that I'm a man, and she doesn't like talking to strange men. But I'm an average decent person, so I doubt I scared her.
But if anything, I tend to think that racism is a sort of perpetual machine. Your people tell you things, the papers tell you things, and before you know it, you're not seeing individuals, but just their color.

[demmie]

Look, every asshole that didn't like what there ma said because it was cool in the 1960's is to blame.

Racism was created by the Portugese, since they enslaved first.

HAPPY?!

[templek]

First My family had 0 do with slavery since they in 1920. I don't think was slavery in New York City. Was There?[/quote]

New York city was part of the original 13 colonies, which all had slaves. Things changed a little after the War of Independence and split between the mason-dixon line. Didnt they find an ancient negro burial ground in NEwy York when they were building an office block a few years ago.

Secondly Were they victims of the segregation which was finally outlawed in the 1960s? I read that NY had has much segregation problems as the south. For instance in the nearby Pentagon building, when it was built it had double the number of toilets. That was because govenment or public buildings had to have seperate toilets for 'whites and coloureds'.

[fitz207]

First My family had 0 do with slavery since they in 1920. I don't think was slavery in New York City. Was There?

New York city was part of the original 13 colonies, which all had slaves. Things changed a little after the War of Independence and split between the mason-dixon line. Didnt they find an ancient negro burial ground in NEwy York when they were building an office block a few years ago.

Secondly Were they victims of the segregation which was finally outlawed in the 1960s? I read that NY had has much segregation problems as the south. For instance in the nearby Pentagon building, when it was built it had double the number of toilets. That was because govenment or public buildings had to have seperate toilets for 'whites and coloureds'.[/quote]



I also said in another post that my Grandparents were NOT that friendly with blacks. Well not at first. Yes New York is segregated. But most of the fighting was NOT black vs. white but Irish vs. Italians and Polish Jews. So my family never had any problems with blacks, and as they got older they learned to respect blacks and other people who had it hard in this country.

[Fox]

Now I make it a habit to make eye contact and give a nod of the head or say hi to people when our eyes meet. About half the time, people react positively, and the rest of them act like they wonder what my game is. Which I find kind of amusing. I'm just acknowledging you, brother, relax.

Funny that you should mention that. I too, make it a habit to make eye contact, but one particular week I decided make a conscious decision to greet people who passed me to see the reactions. Being black, I noticed other blacks (particularly men) were more apt to make eye contact and either nod or say "hey," while hispanics tended to look at me quizically while occasionally responding.

I also noticed people closer to my age range were more likely to respond, while often times people a generation or two ahead of me didn't bother looking at me much lol. I live near a transit station, by the way, so there's a lot of people around, in case you're wondering.

Like you, I didn't make any racial conclusions, I just thought it was kinda funny. There's no real point to this post, just felt like sharing. :P

TFan

I'm sorry, but Jews are semites.
What planet do you live on? Im talking about American Jews like Barbara streisand. How many middle eastern jews have Blond hair and Light colored eyes. Most american jews are of Eastern European stock. Since israel is in the middle eastern region it's fare to say that REAL are of middle eastern stock. A semite would be more like an easten African.

Yeah Jr. "Nose" is a semite, too. Granted, a talent-less hack of a semite, but she's a semite none the less.

By your ignorant logic, there's a lot of white people in Iran as well simply because many persians have blue eyes.

Good god! You're a moron!
You're the moron. 1st i'm speaking in general terms, of course there are some exceptions to every rule. Alot Iranians are mixed with european blood. But that does not them white by scandinavian standards. Scandinavian's are the ancient descendants of most western europeans. along with the Anglo's and Saxons. So unless you can trace your roots back to these people with no mixing of other races. You are NOT a PURE white person.

Sorry, but you made a very specific claim and you are now TRYING to generalize it now that you've proven to be an imbecile.

"Nose" is a semite. You're specific claim was that "Nose" isn't a semite because "how many middle eastern jews have Blond hair and Light colored eyes?" I went on to expose the absurdness of your claim and have exposed you, successfully.

Now you're trying to back-pedal and generalize, which makes you appear even more desperate to prove your ignorant point.

[fitz207]

TFan
Hey dude. We have families. We're catholics [well I'm Christian]. We celebrate Christmas, Easter and Valentines day. Our families average out about 6. Do we have some bastard salvatrucha? Yeah. Are there evil motherfuckers coming across the border? Hell yeah. But I've said this before. If we have to have immigration, I'd rather it be a people rooted in Western Values than Asian or Arab.

This country has to have population for it to compete for global resources. If whitey wants a whiter population, you should have some white kids for a change. If not, I see nothing wrong with bringing in people who share our religion, values and work ethic by and large.
Most of you conservative's want illegals here. But for 1 reason only. Cheap labor done by people who won't stand up for their rights. A lot of hispanic people say they will take a job that an american won't do. Well that sounds nice and everything, but most americans can't live on $5 and hour. Why? Because americans don't live like most working class spanish do. Most of them make it on very little pay by living sometimes up to 15 ADULTS to a house. So if every working adult is bringing in $5 an hour that is now $75 an hour. Most Americans in general don't live like this. Most of us live 2 adults and children so each person has to make more since there are only 2 working adults. I say to corporate sellouts pay an american wage and americans will be happy to fill those jobs. With all of these people coming here by the millions. Changing black and white american culture to the USM?
United States Of Mexico. We're Already close to loosing our english language to spanish. ALL Americans no matter what color they are. Take a stand.

Most of you conservative's want illegals here. But for 1 reason only. Cheap labor done by people who won't stand up for their rights.

I'm glad you didn't refute any of my post and instead have resorted to politics. That's fine by me.

I can point the finger right back at you because this is truly a two way street. Democrats want more mexicans because by and large, we're stupid and vote democrat. We buy their lies for some reason just like the blacks do. Promises of Affirmative action and Gray Davis's promise of California Drivers Licenses for illegals. Let's not forget, this is how Democrats buy their votes.... Social programs and hand-outs.


A lot of hispanic people say they will take a job that an american won't do. Well that sounds nice and everything, but most americans can't live on $5 and hour.

Illegals have to take the 5 dollar an hour job because they're stupid. They like the abuse as long as they have a roof and food. No American has to work for that but many choose to remain poor and unskilled. Point the finger at whitey or at conservatives or whoever you want, but there's no GOOD reason that a legal American citizen can't learn a skill and make themselves marketable unless he suffers from some kind of disability.

It is not enough to say "I can't make it because of illegals", that's weak and cowardly. You owe it to yourself to make it, no one owes it to you, especially not the government.


Why? Because americans don't live like most working class spanish do.

We're not talking about Spaniards, we're talking about Mexicans. Use the right word.


Most of them make it on very little pay by living sometimes up to 15 ADULTS to a house.

The rare exception rather than the rule. Granted, you may find 8 or 9 in one house and that's a lot more than a single homosexual white male taking up space. Is that the gripe? That every household should be 1800 square feet and single occupancy?


So if every working adult is bringing in $5 an hour that is now $75 an hour. Most Americans in general don't live like this. Most of us live 2 adults and children so each person has to make more since there are only 2 working adults. I say to corporate sellouts pay an american wage and americans will be happy to fill those jobs.

Hey man, I make good money and so do many of my friends. I don't need the nanny state coming in to legislate away my shortcomings. I feel sorry for working people who can't make ends meet, but at the end of the day, FUCK EM. That's life. There's winners and losers. There will ALWAYS be winners and losers. Those of us who have something, the VAST majority of the time HAVE it because we earned it.


With all of these people coming here by the millions. Changing black and white american culture to the USM? United States Of Mexico. We're Already close to loosing our english language to spanish. ALL Americans no matter what color they are. Take a stand.

Yeah I'm with you on the English thing. I'm the first motherfucker to stare down a fucker for assuming I speak spanish.

This land is my land, bitch! Speak english!

[fitz207]

TFan

I'm sorry, but Jews are semites.
What planet do you live on? Im talking about American Jews like Barbara streisand. How many middle eastern jews have Blond hair and Light colored eyes. Most american jews are of Eastern European stock. Since israel is in the middle eastern region it's fare to say that REAL are of middle eastern stock. A semite would be more like an easten African.

Yeah Jr. "Nose" is a semite, too. Granted, a talent-less hack of a semite, but she's a semite none the less.

By your ignorant logic, there's a lot of white people in Iran as well simply because many persians have blue eyes.

Good god! You're a moron!
You're the moron. 1st i'm speaking in general terms, of course there are some exceptions to every rule. Alot Iranians are mixed with european blood. But that does not them white by scandinavian standards. Scandinavian's are the ancient descendants of most western europeans. along with the Anglo's and Saxons. So unless you can trace your roots back to these people with no mixing of other races. You are NOT a PURE white person.

Sorry, but you made a very specific claim and you are now TRYING to generalize it now that you've proven to be an imbecile.

"Nose" is a semite. You're specific claim was that "Nose" isn't a semite because "how many middle eastern jews have Blond hair and Light colored eyes?" I went on to expose the absurdness of your claim and have exposed you, successfully.

Now you're trying to back-pedal and generalize, which makes you appear even more desperate to prove your ignorant point.
Again dumbass how do you know much about white people? Since you are NOT a white person. Did your people come from PURE anglo-saxom blood?
If they did'nt you know nothing.

Back-pedal? Im only following your example. Generalize? That's all you've been doing in every post. Blacks did this blacks did that. They might have but jews and mexicans are worst. Period

Again dumbass how do you know much about white people? Since you are NOT a white person. Did your people come from PURE anglo-saxom blood? If they did'nt you know nothing.

So in other words you're a racial elitists. Thanks. Now not only can we label you an imbecile but we can now be confident that if one is not from "Anglo Saxon blood... We know nothing

Let me lay on you the most vicious label a whitey can be labeled...

You're a racist!


Back-pedal? Im only following your example. Generalize? That's all you've been doing in every post.

Hellz yes I have. I've generalized the whole way, no back pedaling required. It's called "Generalize" because it's GENERALLY true.

I don't need to, nor have I changed or attempted to change or alter any of what I've said. You on the other hand have made statements that are ignorant and imbecilic. Then when exposed you tried to generalize.

It's clear you're having a hard time explaining away your stupidity, so I'll take it easy on you now. (no I won't)... oops, I back pedaled.


Blacks did this blacks did that. They might have but jews and mexicans are worst. Period

zzzzzzzzz

[suckseed]

Look, every asshole that didn't like what there ma said because it was cool in the 1960's is to blame.

Racism was created by the Portugese, since they enslaved first.

HAPPY?!

Thank you, George Bernard Shaw.

[suckseed]

I'll say this (again) about TFan:
I don't always agree with what he has to say...in fact, often I disagree. But then again I haven't lived his life or gotten his perspective first hand. As he's pointed out, many if not practically all of my face-to-face encounters with hispanics have been with working-class folks. An impartial social scientist would conclude that the majority of these people are docile, work hard rather than smart, and have little ambition other than to keep their noses to the grindstone all their lives.
TFan to me represents a valuable alternative opinion. What I sometimes feel he could use a bit more of is a sense of humility or mercy towards the simpler folks. (You'll forgive me if I misinterpret, TFan.) I'm convinced that while it's technically possible to educate oneself or otherwise lift oneself up out of the 'rabble', there's a reason many never will. Call it spirit, inspiration, strength of character, good parenting or mentoring, one inspiring teacher, or what you will. But in all times, in all places, and within all cultures there are the aristocrats, the middle class, and the common folk. Are the commoners to be pitied, despised, helped, ignored, humiliated, annihilated or....?
I think about the poor at some point every day. Do I pretend they don't exist? Or do I give away all my possessions and become like Mother Teresa? Obviously, neither extreme is going to happen, at least not in this kid's case.
There's two kinds of activism, regardless of the 'cause.' The kind that makes the papers and the small everyday personal gesture. And they're both important. I've been led down some pretty cool roads because of a book or something someone suggested. And it's no trouble to make it a daily habit to be courteous to strangers that you meet.
At the very least you might help someone's mood that's having a crappy day. And you might just provide someone with a spark that desperately needs it. Someone recommended the book Rich Dad Poor Dad to me several years ago. I was able to see clearly for the first time the way my parents make fundamental mistakes in the way they deal with their money. And I've changed the way I think about it as well - all because someone casually suggested a book years ago.
I guess I'm a proponent of the variation of the idea of teaching a man to fish versus giving him a fish. My variation is "I don't have time to teach everyone to fish...but I can suggest a good fishing hole, and it's up to them to listen." But just saying 'fuck 'em' to me is morally wrong. And unnecessary.

[manbearpig]

You have a swastika in your avatar.

It's a sign of good luck in Japan. Adopted by Germany. I think this has been explained to you already. I happen to be in Japan.

*late as hell* Isn't it a Bhuddist symbol? I remember seeing it on Tien's forehead in old dragonball manga

[Somedude21]

Bhuddist symbol, yes. Also used by Native Americans, I believe.

[DJ_Asia]

I havent googled it but i do believe the Swazi was originally a Hindu symbol...i love the Swazi and im pissed that in this day and age what it represents,but eventually I will get it worked into my ink

[TJ347]

Also used by Native Americans, I believe.

It is indeed used by Native Americans, though in an "upright" position, as opposed to the leftward tilt of the German form. Obviously, the meaning is also very different.

For those who care...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika#Native_American_traditions

[CORVETTEDUDE]

My Old Man told me when I was young, "If sense was common, everybody would have some!" Some people are just 'Natural Born JACKASSES'!!! :shrug

[gregcurious]

Would imagine a session with Mistress Soleli would put things into perspective....

[celticgrafix]

STOP FUCKING CRYING, EVERY RACE IS RACIST, DONT SINGLE THE WHITES OUT, THATS BEING RACIST

[ARMANIXXX]

STOP FUCKING CRYING, EVERY RACE IS RACIST, DONT SINGLE THE WHITES OUT, THATS BEING RACIST


Shut up whitey

:wink:

[Fox]

STOP FUCKING CRYING, EVERY RACE IS RACIST, DONT SINGLE THE WHITES OUT, THATS BEING RACIST

Why did you bump this?

[BeardedOne]

Why did you bump this?

Because they were bored. :roll:

[trish]

STOP FUCKING CRYING, EVERY RACE IS RACIST, DONT SINGLE THE WHITES OUT, THATS BEING RACIST

asking a question isn't crying. pleading that people stop crying IS crying. the proper response: there, there celticgrafix...don't cry...brighten up...tomorrow's fuckin' St. Patrick's Day. :D

[jamans]

True black history isn't taught in schools. Just because you study Black History every February doesn't mean anything at all. How would young black kids no anything about their history.

I think the very idea of "black history month" is an insult. How about just plain history every day at school? Or should we seperate every month of the year by race..."white history month", then asian, then mexican...ect.

[ARMANIXXX]

True black history isn't taught in schools. Just because you study Black History every February doesn't mean anything at all. How would young black kids no anything about their history.

I think the very idea of "black history month" is an insult. How about just plain history every day at school? Or should we seperate every month of the year by race..."white history month", then asian, then mexican...ect.

__________________________________________________ __________________



The insult is what is taught now.


History = HIS story

[Quinn]

STOP FUCKING CRYING, EVERY RACE IS RACIST, DONT SINGLE THE WHITES OUT, THATS BEING RACIST


Shut up whitey

:wink:

You tell him, Armani. Damn cracka ass crakas.

-Quinn

[chefmike]

STOP FUCKING CRYING, EVERY RACE IS RACIST, DONT SINGLE THE WHITES OUT, THATS BEING RACIST


Shut up whitey

:wink:

You tell him, Armani. Damn cracka ass crakas.

-Quinn

True dat. Fuck that ofay peckerwood mofo!

[south ov da border]

This will only change when the mass landing happens.

until then, wallow in the ignorance of racism.

I'm an equal opportunist myself, I can't compute to the fraction of a % that makes us different, so everyone's treated all the same by me, until given a reason...

[OneCoolGuy]

Lmao i feel sorry for all of you who still see yourselves as a race. There is only two races on the planet Human race and Animal Race. What you are talking about is culture. My advice to everyone learn what you unlearn and seek the truth. We are all human! Why is it so hard to see it? Every culture has it hard not just one. Struggle is a sign that God loves you. When you all wake up then we might have something to discuss.

[FREEFALLL666]

True black history isn't taught in schools. Just because you study Black History every February doesn't mean anything at all. How would young black kids no anything about their history.

I think the very idea of "black history month" is an insult. How about just plain history every day at school? Or should we seperate every month of the year by race..."white history month", then asian, then mexican...ect.

__________________________________________________ __________________



The insult is what is taught now.


History = HIS storyConveniently forgetting that most of the African slaves were taken by their own people and sold to Arabic countries long before the UK/US slave trade. Also forgetting that in the UK only a short while later after the end of the slave trade there were black landlords.

Then you get rap, MOBO my ass, between the 14th and 17th century Preists and Bishops/Monks in Scotland preached by poetry in what is now known as "Freestyle" no rehearsal just off the top of the head. Slaves were inspired by that and performed their own prayers in the same manner. MOSO more like..

Then there is the proficient use of "Niggah" as a term of endeerment between black people. The use of a word that can result in prosecution for a white man should NOT be permitted by a black man. No one has the right to say that a word is wrong to use and still use it themselves.

Ironically there is the "Role-Models" like Hale Berry. With campaigns against the use of stereotypes whilst campainging for the steretype of a "strong black woman", the same woman who conveniently forgets that there have been MANY women Oscar winners.

Of course I am only focusing on one race. You have the same issues in many other races too.

[StarScream]

Whats everyones opinion about Obama's Pastor: Rev. Jeremiah Wright??

[chefmike]

Whats everyones opinion about Obama's Pastor: Rev. Jeremiah Wright??

He makes about as much sense as the white bible-bangers who endorse McCain...they're all religious zealots with their own self-serving, opportunistic agenda...nothing more than Elmer Gantry redux...

[sexyredman]

Whats everyones opinion about Obama's Pastor: Rev. Jeremiah Wright??

He is just expressing what many people feel, but in a very dramatic way to get people's attention. This isn't the land of the free and home of the brave, there has been bondage and cowardice throughout the course of history for this country, but the beautiful thing about this country is a man should be able to express his displeasure at the status quo without recourse.


On another note, in this thread affirmative action has been thrown around very freely as a cause of reverse discrimination, but the biggest group of beneficiaries of affirmative action are WHITE women. The problem with affirmative action is it benefits the people who already have the qualifications to apply for the job instead of increasing the number with the qualifications. The playing field would be more leveled with a change in the educational system and social network in tandem.

[lisaparadise]

[quote="ARMANIXXX"][quote=celticgrafix]STOP FUCKING CRYING, EVERY RACE IS RACIST, DONT SINGLE THE WHITES OUT, THATS BEING RACIST co-sign....im thinkin the whites stick together just like the blacks and the asians do but to single out my race is alittle pathetic isnt it.im a strong beleiver in my race and im damn proud to be white but on the other hand if i were black id be damn proud of that as well plus id save ahelluva lot on my monthly tanning salon bill and for the record im not a racist per say cause i hang out with all races although i may be alittle prejudest over the gays cause i have no use for the gay communitty fags just makes me puke a girl is the bottom and the guy is the top its that simple people.anyways im pulling for obama,i hope he wins .

[The Truth]

[quote=ARMANIXXX][quote=celticgrafix]STOP FUCKING CRYING, EVERY RACE IS RACIST, DONT SINGLE THE WHITES OUT, THATS BEING RACIST co-sign....im thinkin the whites stick together just like the blacks and the asians do but to single out my race is alittle pathetic isnt it.im a strong beleiver in my race and im damn proud to be white but on the other hand if i were black id be damn proud of that as well plus id save ahelluva lot on my monthly tanning salon bill and for the record im not a racist per say cause i hang out with all races although i may be alittle prejudest over the gays cause i have no use for the gay communitty fags just makes me puke a girl is the bottom and the guy is the top its that simple people.anyways im pulling for obama,i hope he wins .So according to your ignorant mind, all gays are bottom. I wonder how gays fuck each other.

But you're right, you're not a racist. You're just an ignorant white trash.

[Oli]

but the beautiful thing about this country is a man should be able to express his displeasure at the status quo without recourse.


Sorry mate, words have concrete meaning. In America, you are free to speak your mind, but you must accept the consequences of the words you use.

[lisaparadise]

[quote=ARMANIXXX][quote=celticgrafix]STOP FUCKING CRYING, EVERY RACE IS RACIST, DONT SINGLE THE WHITES OUT, THATS BEING RACIST co-sign....im thinkin the whites stick together just like the blacks and the asians do but to single out my race is alittle pathetic isnt it.im a strong beleiver in my race and im damn proud to be white but on the other hand if i were black id be damn proud of that as well plus id save ahelluva lot on my monthly tanning salon bill and for the record im not a racist per say cause i hang out with all races although i may be alittle prejudest over the gays cause i have no use for the gay communitty fags just makes me puke a girl is the bottom and the guy is the top its that simple people.anyways im pulling for obama,i hope he wins .So according to your ignorant mind, all gays are bottom. I wonder how gays fuck each other.

But you're right, you're not a racist. You're just an ignorant white trash.ya ok fag boy

[InHouston]

There are plenty of black people who are racists too. In fact, racism exists in very race against all races.

[The Truth]

[quote=ARMANIXXX][quote=celticgrafix]STOP FUCKING CRYING, EVERY RACE IS RACIST, DONT SINGLE THE WHITES OUT, THATS BEING RACIST co-sign....im thinkin the whites stick together just like the blacks and the asians do but to single out my race is alittle pathetic isnt it.im a strong beleiver in my race and im damn proud to be white but on the other hand if i were black id be damn proud of that as well plus id save ahelluva lot on my monthly tanning salon bill and for the record im not a racist per say cause i hang out with all races although i may be alittle prejudest over the gays cause i have no use for the gay communitty fags just makes me puke a girl is the bottom and the guy is the top its that simple people.anyways im pulling for obama,i hope he wins .So according to your ignorant mind, all gays are bottom. I wonder how gays fuck each other.

But you're right, you're not a racist. You're just an ignorant white trash.ya ok fag boy

Cool. I'm glad we agree. Have a good day.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Umm excuse me, blacks can be racist too. I get racist remarks a lot from black women, when I am dancing at the clubs here. "Who does that white bitch think she is" blah blah blah.

So it's not all one sided, and secondly people get offended way to easily off racism.

And act like they lived in the times of segragation or even the civil war.

[Johnny B.]

I have to go on a little rant here.
I know I was the one who JUST told another black person to get over rejection from a non-black tranny but....
I just had an incedent happen and I may try to orginize a boycott(I never thought this would be something I would ever do).
White people are in general ignorant about a lot of the facets of the "black community".
Yet when you camly and articulately try to explain to them they become beligerant.
WHY?
Sometime it just sucks to be black in america.....you are always reminded you are different...people try to put you down in subtle ways.
Racism is just a bitch.

Ok rant over

You ever put into considerstion that, the reason why blacks are oust by not just whites but the rest on the wolrd in becuase you stand out.

Let me expalin: Blacks or African Americans however you want to say it. Dress different, walk different, talk different. Im not racist but African Americans have to be there own people. I mean you even alienate your own people, you say another african american isnt black because he grew up in the suberbs, and had a college education, and didnt grow up in the streets or in the hood or in the projects. Whats the difference? Hes still an African American.

Also many African Americans complain about racism and injustice, or heres a thought why dont you just get out of the country. Go to Europe or Asia or go back to Africa. If your sick and tired of all the crime agianst blacks then go away, move somewhere where youll know youll be treated better.

Also its your fault for letting stupid ignorence of other people affect you so much. Alot of people call me spick becuase Im Puerto Rican but I dont care I just keep walking. I dont protest or demand better rights. Just ignore it and go with your life.

[trish]

Also many African Americans complain about racism and injustice, or heres a thought why dont you just get out of the country. Go to Europe or Asia or go back to Africa. If your sick and tired of all the crime agianst blacks then go away, move somewhere where youll know youll be treated better.

Also its your fault for letting stupid ignorence of other people affect you so much. Alot of people call me spick becuase Im Puerto Rican but I dont care I just keep walking. I dont protest or demand better rights. Just ignore it and go with your life.

It's not my fault you're stupid and ignorant, it YOUR fault. If I'm sick of crime against blacks why should I leave, why don't we have the criminals exiled...say to jail? Hey, here's an idea...why don't we stop putting up with ignorant shit and demand our rights? :roll:

[uncutlove]

This thread is made of fail and aids.

[deebo]

could care less for whoever is racist cause it wont ever go away the same way there will never be a perfect human being....


the only thing that irritates me is when white people speak on racisim as if they know what its like and been in our shoes you know what i say to those whites who think they know shit? STFU!!!!

[Johnny B.]

Also many African Americans complain about racism and injustice, or heres a thought why dont you just get out of the country. Go to Europe or Asia or go back to Africa. If your sick and tired of all the crime agianst blacks then go away, move somewhere where youll know youll be treated better.

Also its your fault for letting stupid ignorence of other people affect you so much. Alot of people call me spick becuase Im Puerto Rican but I dont care I just keep walking. I dont protest or demand better rights. Just ignore it and go with your life.

It's not my fault you're stupid and ignorant, it YOUR fault. If I'm sick of crime against blacks why should I leave, why don't we have the criminals exiled...say to jail? Hey, here's an idea...why don't we stop putting up with ignorant shit and demand our rights? :roll:

What criminals and what rights?

[Fox]

We all ultimately come from the same place so hating someone else means hating yourself on some level. It's just too bad humanity will never shake the "us vs. them" mentality.

Though I'm not naive, I tend to see things in a post-apocalyptic view where if 90% of humanity were dead (let's say nuclear war), the rest would have to pull together to survive. Would another person's skin color, religion, etc. really matter?

Anyway, thought I'd throw that in since this thread was bumped.

[L.I.T-Girllover]

I guess for the same reasons that some black people think its okay to be racist........ignorance and fear

[celticgrafix]

Quinn, chefmike, ARMANIXXX, fuck all three of you bitches

[Quinn]

Quinn, chefmike, ARMANIXXX, fuck all three of you bitches

Shush, whitey.

-Quinn

[mischelle]

Can somebody explain the difference between being a racist of color vs gender or gender identity? As a transsexual I deal with hatred everyday, sure it's different from a skin tone point of view. Not by much though. So I am a white girl, with baby blue eyes and creamy skin, I still get rejected and hated by most of the people I come into contact with. I am not saying this is not an important topic but I thought this was a transsexual site, so with the problems T-girls go through every day really what difference does color make?

[Tomfurbs]

Since this thread has been bumped AGAIN and doesn't seem to ever really go away, I'm going to take this opportunity to say that the wording of this thread title is really poorly thought out.

[trish]

Also many African Americans complain about racism and injustice, or heres a thought why dont you just get out of the country. Go to Europe or Asia or go back to Africa. If your sick and tired of all the crime agianst blacks then go away, move somewhere where youll know youll be treated better.

Also its your fault for letting stupid ignorence of other people affect you so much. Alot of people call me spick becuase Im Puerto Rican but I dont care I just keep walking. I dont protest or demand better rights. Just ignore it and go with your life.

It's not my fault you're stupid and ignorant, it YOUR fault. If I'm sick of crime against blacks why should I leave, why don't we have the criminals exiled...say to jail? Hey, here's an idea...why don't we stop putting up with ignorant shit and demand our rights? :roll:

What criminals and what rights?

The criminals are the ones to which you yourself allude to in your own sentence; i.e. those who commit crimes against blacks. I'll quote you again:


If your sick and tired of all the crime agianst blacks...

The rights are the ones that you refer to in your own post as well:


I dont protest or demand better rights.

My post was just a response to your diatribe. If you don't know what the words in your own post refer to, then why are you posting?

[JelenaCD]

The democrate primary shows that people are racist and sexist of course , So when most black democrats vote for obama over hillary is that ok ? , and Hispanic's vote for Hillary over Obama it's ok, and white women vote for Hillary over obama it's okay ! yet if you look white men voted Obama over Hillary which means white men are less racist or just more sexist then racist ! doesn't this all make perfect sense ?

[trish]

It all depends on the reasons behind one's vote. If the women who feel like secondary citizens think Hillary will raise their status by either action or symbolism, then the motive behind their vote is not their own discrimination but the discrimination of others against them. There is a symmetrical case one can construct for blacks that support Obama. White men on the other hand have no recourse but to vote for a representative outside their demographic. Therefore it would be dubious to argue, based on their voting, that they have the high moral ground.

[JelenaCD]

Trish ,
You seem to infer that it's ok to be racist and sexist if you are a women or a black person yet if are a white male it's not ok ! Double standard ?

[trish]

Not at all.


If the women who feel like secondary citizens think Hillary will raise their status by either action or symbolism, then the motive behind their vote is not their own discrimination but the discrimination of others against them.

It's only natural and logical to vote for somebody you believe will improve your position; especially if you perceive your position as that of a secondary citizen. I don't see that as racist or sexist. Just reasonable.

[raiden]

ok heres a topic "why do some black people think its ok to be racist" or "why do some arabs think its ok to be racist" why is it always white people that are said to be racist and if u complain some1 who isnt white is been racist your told to shut up. political correctness has gone mad coz of that power mad Blair (if he becomes president of europe we're all doomed) :shock:

[JelenaCD]

Trish ,
So you approve of racism and sexist theory as long as you think your a minority ? you are really cutting a fine line here you know , it's a double standard either way , it's wrong !

[trish]

I suppose at this point I should make clear that I myself voted for Obama in the democratic primary of my state. But for myself racial considerations were of relatively minor influence. I like him because I think he has shown himself to be a capable, clear-sighted statesmen of sound judgement, a moral compass and who knows how to listen. On the major issues: health care, the war in Iraq, the patriot act, the torture bill etc, I can support Obama or Hillary.

[trish]

Trish ,
So you approve of racism and sexist theory as long as you think your a minority ? you are really cutting a fine line here you know , it's a double standard either way , it's wrong !

No again. Reread my post. I do not approve of racism or sexism under ANY circumstances. My standard is the same for all.

[JelenaCD]

Trish ,
It's a Great debate no doubt , good to have your opinion ! we can't move forward without getting over the issues we can't solve ! And race is an issue USA has never reconciled !

[trish]

and good to have yours as well. have a good evening Jelena.

[chefmike]

Quinn, chefmike, ARMANIXXX, fuck all three of you bitchesSTFU, you drunken patty trash. Go crawl back into your pint, fool.

[hentai_ninja]

I guess its impossible to be racist if your black too,right? By creating a thread like this and with the title,your only contradicting yourself. Fuck off.

[tstv_lover]

This is real simple:

It is never, ever OK to be racist - anyone, any time for any reason.

See, told you it was simple!

[goldensamba]

ok, youve pretty much said nothing or nothing new...

but in all honesty, the lil we know about the black community is pretty much what the black community projects, in rap videos and other outlets...and to be quite honest, u cant really blame white people for not loving what they see...sadly, theres so much more (i hope) to the fabric of black america than the filth thats passed off as entertainment and hiphop...but even sadder, is the few black folks who take issue with this portayal of the black community...

so blame the fuckin thugs, not for creating the hate, but for giving racists and assholes legitimate gripes and thus masking the bullshit..I agree. Plus, it makes it seem "okay" to use derogatory language when the most popular (by record sales volumes) rap music denegrates women of color and uses the "N" word. Blame it on the people who continue to live the stereotypes rather than change the images.
Plus...add to the confusion by saying "we want to be treated as equal", BUT we want to be recognized for our ethnicity. HUH? Why have affirmitive action? Why not take the most qualified person for the job? White, Black, Mexican, man, woman, transgender...

Why can't we all just BE and not have stupid shittin' labels? My ex says she's african american...her family is from Cuba. VERY confusing. WHO CARES? I say let's all just be good people and not worry about this crap! The more you bitch about it the more you give it life!

If you stop getting your "impressions of black america" from BET (which is owned by whites) and MTV videos then you might actually learn something. That would be like me watching Jerry Springer and the other lame daytime shows and saying that is what whites are all about.


You're right, it would be great of the most qualified person got the job but plain and simple that just isn't how the world works. I am not a fan of Mike Huckabee but he seems to be one of few white people who can see both sides of an issue:

As easy as it is for those of us who are white to look back and say, "That's a terrible statement," I grew up in a very segregated South, and I think that you have to cut some slack. And I'm going to be probably the only conservative in America who's going to say something like this, but I'm just telling you: We've got to cut some slack to people who grew up being called names, being told, "You have to sit in the balcony when you go to the movie. You have to go to the back door to go into the restaurant. And you can't sit out there with everyone else. There's a separate waiting room in the doctor's office. Here's where you sit on the bus." And you know what? Sometimes people do have a chip on their shoulder and resentment. And you have to just say, I probably would too. I probably would too. In fact, I may have had ... more of a chip on my shoulder had it been me.

- Mike Huckabee, offering his perspective on the preaching of Rev. Jeremiah Wright. (Source: MSNBC)