english girls v us girls

[carl essex]

why are the us girls so much better looking than our own english girls. with the exception of joanna jet,barbie doll there are not many more who are on par with allanah,gia,vo,dannielle foxx etc.

i know a few of the us girls have had surgery to imrove on nature but even before that they are ten times more better.

bloody english country. i think its the water!!

[GroobySteven]

Simple, the girls you mentioned are not from Northern European heritage (whats the word I'm looking for here?).

Allanah is Cuban.
Gia is Central American.
Vo is black-latin mix.
Danielle I'm not so sure about but would be willing to put a bet on it.

I'm from Newcastle (Northern England) and I cannot think of one guy who I went to school with who would have made a decent girl! We're larger, bigger build all around, hairer, larger featured, etc. Obviously a few Awere lucky to slip through (Miss Richter, Miss Jet, etc) but not many Aryans (thats the word!) can pass. Look at eros in London and most of the girls worth looking at are black or latin ethnicities.

The USA has a much higher amount of blacks and latins than the UK does and this is where most of the tgirls come from over here (the rest being Asian and a few whites). Which is why when you find a super-white model who is also hot, like Vicki they're in such high demand (not to take anything away from Vicki, just using her as an example as most people know who she is).

Furthermore, having more tgirls in the USA means it's easier for other tgirls to come out and get support. I'm sure there are plenty of them in Yorkshire but they don't fancy getting dressed up and popping into Huddersfield for the night. Tgirls gravitate to major cities where they can find work, clubs, bars and if not acceptance, tolerance. The UK only has London where this could potentially happen.
seanchai

[GroobySteven]

Nay, nay and thrice nay, idiot!
UK might be an island but it's an island thats been invaded and has invaded others for centuries creating a mix of individuals and gene pool (oh if only the American mid-West could get that genepool).
There are plenty of great looking people in the UK - the media industry stands testiment to that (look at the ratio of actors, music idols, models, etc on a ratio of population of country). Like many countries the lookers generally gravitate to cities and London has eye candy a plenty.
Your friends probably all subscribe to the "grass is always greener" way of thinking. I've travelled America and the girls are HOT - NYC is amazing, California girls just wow, Texas, New Orleans - man this place is full of great looking girls but they are outnumbered 100-fold by the fat, ugly in-bred heiffers that pop up everywhere pushing into their lycra.

Don't let this develop into a USA vs UK argument, that's not what it's about. Both countries have their fair share of cuties and both a huge share of uglies. The UK is certainly not uglier than the US by a long stretch (US fat content alone would tip the balance in the UK favour, although they're fast catching up).

This is why transgenders in the UK are not as attractive as transgenders in the USA and my argument is far more valid.
seanchai

[Bluejay]

on checking eros - london, you'll find there are only 10 english TS Girls out of 82 girls listed, in a variety of states of transition.

the ones I know are very nice girls - farrah, emily-grace,cindy sins

the scene in london is very small and mainly dominated by oriental and south american girls.


seanchi, I think the word your looking for is caucasian

carl, the girls you come across at the "wayout" club are not the only tgirls in the uk.

[GroobySteven]

Doesn't caucasion mean any white person so would also include European latins?
The word I was looking for was Ayran.
Willing to stand corrected if any genealogy professors are on here.
seanchai

[Bluejay]

seanchi

found this on -ask jeeves


Caucasian
(a.) Of or pertaining to the Caucasus, a mountainous region between the Black and Caspian seas.
(a.) Of or pertaining to the white races of mankind, of whom the people about Mount Caucasus were formerly taken as the type.
(n.) A native or inhabitant of the Caucasus, esp. a Circassian or Georgian.
(n.) A member of any of the white races of mankind.

[GroobySteven]

Cool - I was referring to Nothern European especially.

a : of or relating to a hypothetical ethnic type illustrated by or descended from early speakers of Indo-European languages
b : NORDIC
c -- used in Nazism to designate a supposed master race of non-Jewish Caucasians having especially Nordic features

Not so sure about the master race part but did mean non-Jewish caucasians from the Nordic races...

[Ecstatic]

Seanchai, you're right on both counts: First, that Aryan (and Nordics as a subset) are the premiere Northern European subset of the Caucasian race, which is perhaps the most diverse race in the world, including very darkly pigmented Indians and olive-skinned Mediterraneans. There's also the Celtic influence; the Celts spread across northern Europe centuries before the rise of the Roman Empire, conquering the native Britons of what would one day be England, Scotland, and Ireland by the 5th century BCE. So you have three major groups (Aryan or Germanic, Nordic, and Celtic) who have interbred for at least 2500 years; mix in the native (and much smaller) Britons and the various races which have, through trade or conflict, intermingled with the British (much less so the Irish) bloodlines, and you arrive at today's population.
Second, I completely agree with your premise regarding the ethnicity of Tgirls and the relationship of that ethnicity to perceived beauty. As you well know, Asians--especially Thai and closely related groups--have smaller bone structure than either Caucasians or Blacks as a rule, and therefore (along with other factors) are more immediately feminine in appearance. Latina girls as a group I think are the next closest, and coupled with the cultural bias towards the sensual, yield more feminine ts girls than Northern European and Black populations do. Of course, this is only a generalization and there are numerous exceptions to the "rule", but when painting with broad strokes, I think this holds.

[GroobySteven]

Well put and thanks for the clarifications. I did read one theory which stated that the Celts could have been one of the "Lost Tribes" which would explain dark hair and blue eyes suddenly appearing in what had been a blond or red headed population.
Being said, I don't find white girls attractive in the main - they just don't do it for me, which is a small reason why I moved out of the UK and have only dated Asian girls since.
seanchai

[Ecstatic]

I can really get into the history thing, a fascinating study of cultural development and interrelationship. I've heard the Lost Tribe concept, too, but put less faith in that than I do in a TS advertising that she's got 11" :roll: However, there's an interesting sidebar to that if you're curious: are you familiar with the Stone of Scone? (I don't want to go into detail, but it's the stone upon which all Scottish kings were coronated from the 5th century to the 12th, when Edward Longshanks stole it away to England, where it was placed under the coronation throne at Westminster Abbey until the English finally returned it to the Scots about 8, 10 years ago.) Anyway, it is an archeological fact that the stone was brought to the West of Scotland (the old kingdom of Dalriada) in the 5th century from Ireland with the Scotia tribe invaded Scotland (after the Romans pulled out), but legend has it that the stone is the very same stone upon which Jacob laid his head when he had his vision of the ascent to heaven. So Lost Tribe, maybe....

Back on topic, there are two girls I see often, one Thai and the other French-Mexican (Latina with a Northern European influence, I guess), so I love all types. But I'm with you, Seanchai, in that I'm more drawn to Asian girls in general.

[GroobySteven]

It's not personal - English girls don't do it for me but there definately is the same ratio as per Americans of cuties vs bugglies. It's an idiotic statement.
Put 1000 average white American 22 yr olds next to 1000 average white British 22 yr olds and apart from the weight difference you wouldn't see that much discrepancies (identical teeth on the Americans, better skin on the Brits).
The Fridge is a shitty club which aims at one group of people. You need to get around more.
Benny Hill? Obviously you've heard of The Office by now, check out "Spaced" if you can get it or "Little Britain" on BBC America for the comedians who were influnced by Benny.
seanchai

[carl essex]

wooooo

bloody hell.i think i have just learnt a lesson in genetics here.

i have been seeing tgirls for over ten years now so i know a thing or two about this subject.
i was only asking why there is such a difference in quality. i know there are far more gils than those who visit the way out. and i have seen a fair few.
i agree with the post about the comparison about the girls on the resepcted eros sites. london and new york also if you walked into a trannie bar in miami there would be untold busty models there but if walk in to a trannie club in london you get men in wigs and thie wives underwear.

it just seems that our american cousins go that extra mile when it comes to appearance and what they are willing to do to get the required effect.

thanks for your replys and views everyone. lets just hope there are more joanna jets and barbie dolls in the closets in the uk waiting to come out.

carl

[Tom_Brady]

Farrah Mills is stunning and she's from England. Mmmmm.. Farrah Mills 8) :idea:Either way, I gotta make time to get over there and see for myself.

[laoda8]

Trara emory's british right...She's like a 10.

this is all.

[EdelweissFan]

Great thread! I didn't know so many of you "blokes" were "Limmies"!

Back in the day, when I used to frequent Edelweiss, I went to London for a few months. I found that there were a lot of cute GGirls in London, and went to the Way Out and talked to a very pretty Scottish TG there. Go figure! One of the guys at the club though said, "looks like a bunch of blokes in frocks."

As for diversity, surprisingly, the most genetically diverse people on earth are from northeast Africa. That's because that is the area from which people migrated and populated the earth. In other words, all the genetic diversity of humans on earth is in that area and becomes more attenuated as you move away. As people moved into more distant and hence isolated places their genetic diversity decreased. So genetic diversity has little to do with race or how people look.

Race is a genetic illusion even if it's a social reality. Black Africans in the southern tip of Africa are as genetically different from northeast Africans (and as genetically undiverse) as Swedes.

[katieftv]

[quote="carl essex"]
"bloody hell.i think i have just learnt a lesson in genetics here."
Then I think you need to learn some more hun

Quote "also if you walked into a trannie bar in miami there would be untold busty models there but if walk in to a trannie club in london you get men in wigs and thie wives underwear.it just seems that our american cousins go that extra mile when it comes to appearance and what they are willing to do to get the required effect."

Hmmm there is a difference between the meaning of the word tranny in the UK and the USA. A tranny in the UK means a transvestite not a transexual. Go figure.

You seem to forget tha the UK would fit into the corner of Texas never mind the rest of the USA and of course the big difference in populations.

Stop putting the UK trannys down they are not on hormones, had facial surgery or breast implants etc etc. Thats because most of the times they are simply guys who like to dress en fem from time to time. There are however some stunning transexuals in the UK make no mistake.

We are not all hairy pantie weares either, you should be ashamed of yourself putting such peeps down. I was at Sparkle recently where over 1000 T/girls attended some of them absolutely stunning T/Girls both transvestites and transexuals. I and many of my fellow trannys have no desire to live 24/7 as women we enjoy being MALE as well as having a fem side.

So before you go putting your fellow peeps down think and have a bit more understanding of other peoples needs, desires and wishes. Most of us dont dress for admirers. I could think of some rather disrespectful words and phrases to call you but I am above such name calling etc.

[carl essex]

[quote=carl essex]
"bloody hell.i think i have just learnt a lesson in genetics here."
Then I think you need to learn some more hun

Quote "also if you walked into a trannie bar in miami there would be untold busty models there but if walk in to a trannie club in london you get men in wigs and thie wives underwear.it just seems that our american cousins go that extra mile when it comes to appearance and what they are willing to do to get the required effect."

Hmmm there is a difference between the meaning of the word tranny in the UK and the USA. A tranny in the UK means a transvestite not a transexual. Go figure.

You seem to forget tha the UK would fit into the corner of Texas never mind the rest of the USA and of course the big difference in populations.

Stop putting the UK trannys down they are not on hormones, had facial surgery or breast implants etc etc. Thats because most of the times they are simply guys who like to dress en fem from time to time. There are however some stunning transexuals in the UK make no mistake.

We are not all hairy pantie weares either, you should be ashamed of yourself putting such peeps down. I was at Sparkle recently where over 1000 T/girls attended some of them absolutely stunning T/Girls both transvestites and transexuals. I and many of my fellow trannys have no desire to live 24/7 as women we enjoy being MALE as well as having a fem side.

So before you go putting your fellow peeps down think and have a bit more understanding of other peoples needs, desires and wishes. Most of us dont dress for admirers. I could think of some rather disrespectful words and phrases to call you but I am above such name calling etc.


do me a favour, i have been to stunners,leggs,way out and yes their are some amazing girls but some howlers (might have seen you there)
just my opinion, i love british girls so think go and stuff yer bra and have a shave

[Chica]

yeah go newcastle! :P

but from what you see in the porn industry, there is far more than that, just not wanting to get involved in porn itself... ive spoken to a few really good looking ones from the area, and one who moved to america but is only 16 and far through the transition stages

[TSLoverUK999]

[quote=carl essex]
"bloody hell.i think i have just learnt a lesson in genetics here."
Then I think you need to learn some more hun

Quote "also if you walked into a trannie bar in miami there would be untold busty models there but if walk in to a trannie club in london you get men in wigs and thie wives underwear.it just seems that our american cousins go that extra mile when it comes to appearance and what they are willing to do to get the required effect."

Hmmm there is a difference between the meaning of the word tranny in the UK and the USA. A tranny in the UK means a transvestite not a transexual. Go figure.

You seem to forget tha the UK would fit into the corner of Texas never mind the rest of the USA and of course the big difference in populations.

Stop putting the UK trannys down they are not on hormones, had facial surgery or breast implants etc etc. Thats because most of the times they are simply guys who like to dress en fem from time to time. There are however some stunning transexuals in the UK make no mistake.

We are not all hairy pantie weares either, you should be ashamed of yourself putting such peeps down. I was at Sparkle recently where over 1000 T/girls attended some of them absolutely stunning T/Girls both transvestites and transexuals. I and many of my fellow trannys have no desire to live 24/7 as women we enjoy being MALE as well as having a fem side.

So before you go putting your fellow peeps down think and have a bit more understanding of other peoples needs, desires and wishes. Most of us dont dress for admirers. I could think of some rather disrespectful words and phrases to call you but I am above such name calling etc.

Your right Katie, the UK is just behind in the Transexual revolution, they'll catch up, it'll be a whole different story in five years time.

You can find beauty if you look (how profound :wink: ), a nice English rose (& that just spoilt it :wink: )

We're all the same anyway, whats nationality........ a nice busty Cuban does hit the spot tho :wink:

[katieftv]

"i love british girls so think go and stuff yer bra and have a shave[/quote]"

Well you certainly sound as if you do.

You know hun sometimes its best to keep you mouth shut and let people think your an arse hole than to open it and comfirm it. I will leave the last word with you. Have a nice day.

TSlover

"Your right Katie, the UK is just behind in the Transexual revolution, they'll catch up, it'll be a whole different story in five years time."

No not behind just different. There is no race only individual desire. I have many friends here from cross dressers to full blown TS's with all the surgery they have or want. Sure the "beautiful people" may get get far more attention but it don't make them better people than CDs?TSs. In fact many are shallow people who spend more time with their mirror worring about the next wrinkle or spot to appear than getting on with their lives. Shame really. I guess you pays ya money and ya takes ya pick in life.

[sdman]

Simple, the girls you mentioned are not from Northern European heritage (whats the word I'm looking for here?).

Allanah is Cuban.
Gia is Central American.
Vo is black-latin mix.
Danielle I'm not so sure about but would be willing to put a bet on it.

I'm from Newcastle (Northern England) and I cannot think of one guy who I went to school with who would have made a decent girl! We're larger, bigger build all around, hairer, larger featured, etc. Obviously a few Awere lucky to slip through (Miss Richter, Miss Jet, etc) but not many Aryans (thats the word!) can pass. Look at eros in London and most of the girls worth looking at are black or latin ethnicities.

The USA has a much higher amount of blacks and latins than the UK does and this is where most of the tgirls come from over here (the rest being Asian and a few whites). Which is why when you find a super-white model who is also hot, like Vicki they're in such high demand (not to take anything away from Vicki, just using her as an example as most people know who she is).

Furthermore, having more tgirls in the USA means it's easier for other tgirls to come out and get support. I'm sure there are plenty of them in Yorkshire but they don't fancy getting dressed up and popping into Huddersfield for the night. Tgirls gravitate to major cities where they can find work, clubs, bars and if not acceptance, tolerance. The UK only has London where this could potentially happen.
seanchai


Um yes youre right seanachi most of the ts here in america are hispanic trannys and the few white trannys that we have here are not that hot. Argentina has some of the most beautiful white trannys or trannys period that ive ever seen. I see hot white ts from south america but not here.

[reissit]

In my opinion there are some extremely sexy girls from the UK. Farrah Mills, ts Becky, Liberty Harkness, Alison Dale, Sammi Valentine, Melissa Mendez and Karla Cox to name but a few. Again in my opinion all as beautiful as any girls from the US.

[Helvis2012]

It's all in the numbers.....

[karlacox]

Exactly it is all in proportion, America is massive compared to our tiny island, but to be fair the USA is full of beauties, also Britains porn production needs to leave the stone age (like America has) and realise the fact TS porn is massive!
UK Shemale porn needs GLAMMING UP!
x

[Star Angel 86]

Exactly it is all in proportion, America is massive compared to our tiny island, but to be fair the USA is full of beauties, also Britains porn production needs to leave the stone age (like America has) and realise the fact TS porn is massive!
UK Shemale porn needs GLAMMING UP!
x

I have two word for wanting to go across the pond and they are Karla Cox:mrgreen::cool: you gorgeous Brittish lass you.:cheers::Bowdown:

[dream_on]

In the UK we do have some very attractive english TV girls. Its just they do not go on to be transsexual and never get the exposure.

The UK is not tiny compared to the US. We are about 1/5 the size (in population) but we do not have 1/5 the number of attractive transsexuals as they do.

I think its because in the US more cute TV girls get exposure (shemaleyum / shemalestrokers) and also go on to be transsexual.

[nonnonnon]

There's something nice about an accent :D

[Merkurie]

I think its the grass is greener on the other side of the pond syndrome.

Im a multi-racial American (Afro-Native-Scotts-German) and I die for British girls. Both White-Brits and Afro- Brits. There is something terribly striking and desirable about (Kate Beckensale, Sade, Kiera Knightly, Thandie Newton, Sophie Okenedo, and Kate Middleton.

As for transgirls there's Farrah, and Allison Dale just for starters.

The British girls i've seen have creamy smooth skin, big bright eyes and sexy dispositions. Im a big fan of the island girls.

[nonnonnon]

it's like another language :P
YouTube - The Only Way Is Essex - Ping Pong (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcw2oKMgOCA)

[Jericho]

it's like another language :P

Wait for the Birmingham version! :hide-1:

[jennylicious]

I feel the need to say that there are some amazing looking British girls. They tend to get SRS on the NHS and live as girls away from the spotlight.

Although I'm with Karla Cox on the glamming up factor. The industry does need to do it.

[tsparisangelline]

I have said this before, MOST OF THE TS's I KNOW from the U.K do not think looking like a woman matters, and focus more on paying for SRS which they think is the key to being a woman.

[sdman]

In the UK we do have some very attractive english TV girls. Its just they do not go on to be transsexual and never get the exposure.

The UK is not tiny compared to the US. We are about 1/5 the size (in population) but we do not have 1/5 the number of attractive transsexuals as they do.

I think its because in the US more cute TV girls get exposure (shemaleyum / shemalestrokers) and also go on to be transsexual.


Dude the UK is tiny compared to the US in population and size.

[jennylicious]

I have said this before, MOST OF THE TS's I KNOW from the U.K do not think looking like a woman matters, and focus more on paying for SRS which they think is the key to being a woman.

In my experience, most TS's do think looking like a woman matters, but you're right when you say that SRS is considered more important.

[tsparisangelline]

In my experience, most TS's do think looking like a woman matters, but you're right when you say that SRS is considered more important.

The funny thing is, Europe is much more Open minded about transsexuals than the u.s.

Two transsexual friends of mine who do not feel passable enough to live full time, lived full time in london for a year.

[jennylicious]

The funny thing is, Europe is much more Open minded about transsexuals than the u.s.

Two transsexual friends of mine who do not feel passable enough to live full time, lived full time in london for a year.

I've never been on the other side of the pond, so I'm not sure why that is.

I'm certainly too close to give an opinion on how the none-TS population in London see it.