NEW POLICY: Posting images belonging to Grooby. READ.

[GroobySteven]

Due to recent issues on this server and awaiting further advice, I've decided for the sake of being able to control our content/servers and not having to be liable for what other people post of ours or intend to use our images for, to limit posting of ANY images belonging to Grooby Productions to non-genital images only.

This means any images from the sites below:
shemaleyum.com
black-tgirls.com
brazilian-transexuals.com
ladyboy-ladyboy.com
real-tgirls.com
franks-tgirlwolrd.com
shemales-from-hell.com
grooby.com
grooby-archive.com

May only be posted showing no genitals. This will include our sample postings. Any posts showing images belonging to use, we will ask to be removed.

In taking this somewhat extreme stance, I hope to be able to exert control over the our more explicit images that they will only be able to be found on members only servers in which we control and are in-accesable to ANY potential under 18 year olds.

We have 2257 compliance, ID's and model releases for every model on our servers.

I'm confident that you will understand that we run this as a legitimate business and we need to protect our business interests. I appreciate that image posting is a large part of this website and that Grooby images are popular on the site but I trust that you will respect not only my wishes but that this is being done in an effort to ensure that we continue to provide some of the best tranny content available.

Please feel free to post images of models from our sites - who are not explicitly showing their penis, vagina or anus.

Thank you
seanchai

[AllanahStarrNYC]

I second that post and think it is for the best and ask that the same be observed for my sites shemaleexotica.com and transexdomination.com.

Thank you.

[Vicki Richter]

and VickiRichter.com

[qeuqheeg222]

y'all gotta do what ya gotta do...a lot of people will be heartbroken over this but hey...some bad apple ruint it fer every one

[TheOne1]

tragic stuff....is this when the "farewell to HA" replies come in from the pic collectors?

[scroller]

Hello to the new www.angels.com boards!

[Kabuki]

Due to recent issues on this server and awaiting further advice, I've decided for the sake of being able to control our content/servers and not having to be liable for what other people post of ours or intend to use our images for, to limit posting of ANY images belonging to Grooby Productions to non-genital images only.

This means any images from the sites below:
shemaleyum.com
black-tgirls.com
brazilian-transexuals.com
ladyboy-ladyboy.com
real-tgirls.com
franks-tgirlwolrd.com
shemales-from-hell.com
grooby.com
grooby-archive.com

May only be posted showing no genitals. This will include our sample postings. Any posts showing images belonging to use, we will ask to be removed.

In taking this somewhat extreme stance, I hope to be able to exert control over the our more explicit images that they will only be able to be found on members only servers in which we control and are in-accesable to ANY potential under 18 year olds.

We have 2257 compliance, ID's and model releases for every model on our servers.

I'm confident that you will understand that we run this as a legitimate business and we need to protect our business interests. I appreciate that image posting is a large part of this website and that Grooby images are popular on the site but I trust that you will respect not only my wishes but that this is being done in an effort to ensure that we continue to provide some of the best tranny content available.

Please feel free to post images of models from our sites - who are not explicitly showing their penis, vagina or anus.

Thank you
seanchai

:cry: Will this forum ever be the same? I certainly respect everyone's decisions, and I'm still pissed about how this came about. I hope the obvious agitators are happy now. :evil:

[Slither]

You might as well shut the board down now then, because it's about to become a ghost town.

[Kabuki]

I'm loving the fact that whole topics are getting deleted. I guess we can't voice are opinions on the subject that caused all this mess. If that's the case, can the mods informed me. Obviously, you can make false claims...like Miss. Foxxx, but you can't speak the truth, like DJ Asia's post. Very unfortunate indeed. :oops:

[TrueBeauty TS]

You might as well shut the board down now then, because it's about to become a ghost town.


Relax. The d*ck pics will be back soon. That's the main (only?) reason for this board. Nobody comes here for the sparkling personalities or the in-depth conversations. :roll: LMFAO

[GroobySteven]

We asked the mods to remove all the posts as should have been done in the first place, nobody should have needed to feel the need to fight in public and the anatagonistic approach by many (myself included) may have elevated the situation.
Dirty laundry doesn't need airing in public - the two parties should have dealt with it personally.

We'd do well just to start getting on with other things.
seanchai

[Kabuki]

We asked the mods to remove all the posts as should have been done in the first place, nobody should have needed to feel the need to fight in public and the anatagonistic approach by many (myself included) may have elevated the situation.
Dirty laundry doesn't need airing in public - the two parties should have dealt with it personally.

We'd do well just to start getting on with other things.
seanchai

Thank you for letting me know what's going on Seanchai.*sigh* Moving on should be interesting.

[dan_drade]

Well now, this justs sucks (no pun intended). I can understand the reason for you all to do this. However, it is still wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy uncool.

Who knows, maybe it will be good in the long run, we will just have to wait and see. There has been a lot of bashing and bitching goin on around here lately. Maybe it will stop now (who knows). I won't put in my two cents here about how this all came about. Besides, I am sure I don't know the whole story anyway and any opinion I have is probably an incomplete and or a misinformed one anyway.

Anyway, I have enjoyed the posts from all the girls that post here. Even the girls that have left. Perhaps they will come back sosmeday and continue to post.

My personal belife is that all Transexual Women are Angels no matter what their personal opinions are. so...
Can't we all just get along!!!
Hahahaha. Where have I heard that before???

I will continue to post here and hopefully so will everyone else.

[Solitary Brother]

If you guys really love these girls as you say you do then BUY their work.
Dont steal it.
You are taking food out of their mouths.

[DJ_Asia]

We asked the mods to remove all the posts as should have been done in the first place, nobody should have needed to feel the need to fight in public and the anatagonistic approach by many (myself included) may have elevated the situation.
Dirty laundry doesn't need airing in public - the two parties should have dealt with it personally.

We'd do well just to start getting on with other things.
seanchai

Im insulted that im being mentioned indirectly here...
My character,morals,website and legality were all gang raped by an overzealous cunt with an agenda...I was minding my own business.

Am I not to expalin and defend myself so that the public knows the truth??

Gimme a break...

[SheMaleInventor]

If I have a favorite and provide a direct link to the media from the major website will that major website keep that media. That is one issue when I have a favorite and it is deleted from the major website to focus on someone they wish to promote.

Several years back the issue of direct link vs reposted media was in discussion. Some of the major website owners were even grateful that it was helpful in bandwidth. Again if I have a favorite and the bandwith is not there when someone surfs to her media it only makes her look bad.

And then what about the affliiate websites to the major websites. There is that notice on the bottom that states "Webmaster - have your website make money." I have noticed them and I think that I am doing what I'm doing for the love of the interest and not to make money!" So, I never have clicked on the offer. I also note at the bottom of HungAngels posts there is the list of Grooby sites.

As for the 2257 issue the Idaho case should be of some interest. A Saudi guy went on trail accused by the government of being a terrorist. What he did was as I remember in a Yahoo group repost news reports from the Arab internet press. The governments claimed that reposting on the internet was a violation of law. Because he was in violaton of the law he was a terrorist. That didn't play with the jury at all. All he was convicted of way an expired visa. It seems to me that the 2257 compliance should only be with the orioginal producer. To me it is liked finding some lose magazine photos.

My new debit card is rejected by CCBill. So, my subscription have ended. Just a few days ago my sub to BlackTgirls.com ended. But, as a member of the sites I was somewhat prideful that media used was from that site. There are a vast number of site and if the media was from the site I belonged to I felt great!

Keep up the great work, LOVE James

[BeardedOne]

Damn! There goes the neighborhood. :(

And you'd think that with all the sports fans in here they'd have the "Any other use or rebroadcast constitues copyright infringement" thing down by now. :roll:

*Sigh*

This is what happens when you put otherwise intelligent adults in front of a keyboard and monitor. :x At least there won't be so many complaints of sticky keys now. (You know who you are :!: :lol: )

[Ecstatic]

Hey, the party was fun while it lasted. Time now to sleep it off.....

[TheOne1]

If you guys really love these girls as you say you do then BUY their work.
Dont steal it.
You are taking food out of their mouths.

have you seen some of these girls? i doubt they eat much... :puke

[Vala_TS]

What the hell? This is the biggest bunch of crap I've ever heard. Why the hell not?

So what are you all (mods) to do when the forum activity drops to 0 because of this?

Also, what was the topic of the "Ms. D. Foxxx, the hypocrite"? I clicked on the post but before it loaded on my computer, it said it was deleted.

AGTFB

[BeardedOne]

OK, for those that came in late...

Last week, on 'As The Tranny Turns':

Danielle stirred up a hornet's nest by ressurecting a long-forgotten thread.

In the ensuing discussion, egos and toes got stepped on.

Meanwhile, the issue morphed into a skewed definition of 'public domain' (Basically coming down to the odd concept that if someone finds a book in a public library that makes it OK to copy and disperse without the author or publisher's permission - Not the exact case in point, but a close analogy thereof).

In the you say/I say/Wikipedia sez slugfest that followed, someone got poked in the eye more than once.

This morning we all wake up to a half dozen producers/providers in a snit because they've been publicly dissed as a reward for their talents and efforts. To wit: The lot of them have begun exercizing their legal right to limit access to the content they work so hard to provide for our hairy eyeballs.

To those that are sure to raise a ruckus over this move, it is suggested that you set up a studio, hire models/performers, spend countless hours shooting/filming, and then give the results all away for free (Since that's what some seem to think seanchai, DJ, Wendy, Alannah, Vicki, et al should be doing) and see how upbeat and generous you feel when it comes time to pay the bils.

And now, for this week's exciting episode of 'As The Tranny Turns'.

[Vala_TS]

Thanks. It's a bunch of crap but they're all money-grubbing people and if this gets deleted, then I rest my case!

AGTFB

[GroobySteven]

Actually Beardedone - it's a little different to that.
I was never in a "snit" about it and I think most of the members of this website as well as the producers who posted, ended up being correct.
However, when something gets so out of hand that the FBI are informed and a site investigated, then we're going to do what we can to ensure that our businesses aren't harmed or could be open to possible harming, just for posting uncensored images on a public forum.
We'd self-censored the public areas of our sites just for this reason mid last year, so instead of using a loop-hole to promote ourselves on somebody elses servers - it's better just to take a blanket approach to everything and I'll be doing this across our sites this week.

There are plenty of opportunities for people to find FREE uncensored images across the internet but I'm taking the stance that we're going to limit it on these forums and other public forums.

I just want to make it clear - it's nothing about being upset with (most) members of this forum, it's about self-preservation and came about through a ridiculous situation which should never have been an issue.
seanchai

[GroobySteven]

Thanks. It's a bunch of crap but they're all money-grubbing people and if this gets deleted, then I rest my case!

AGTFB

Why are we money grubbing people? We're running a business but I run on a much smaller profit than many adult sites as we invest more back into the industry and trying out new models? We've always let limited amounts of our content be shown here for those who don't want to jon a website as well as promotional and we'll continue that - just without genital shots.
What exactly have you done? Ever put any money back in or are you just throwing a tizz because you can't get the pics?

seanchai

[Vala_TS]

Thanks. It's a bunch of crap but they're all money-grubbing people and if this gets deleted, then I rest my case!

AGTFB

Why are we money grubbing people? We're running a business but I run on a much smaller profit than many adult sites as we invest more back into the industry and trying out new models? We've always let limited amounts of our content be shown here for those who don't want to jon a website as well as promotional and we'll continue that - just without genital shots.
What exactly have you done? Ever put any money back in or are you just throwing a tizz because you can't get the pics?

seanchai

Because you are barring anyone from posting any good pics. All you all care about is money, no pics means no advertising, no advertising means less customers to your site. Do you really think people want to see their tits/faces only? Dick and asshole shots are needed, sure, I can understand being mad that the "pay pics" are being posted but why not just stop that instead of stopping everything?

Now, I will admit that I do not belong to any pay sites but it's not so much about spending money as it is about content, I heard that dozens and dozens of sites just use the same old same old pics from 5 years ago, now if you are showing your "fresh" content, that would make someone like me, a possible customer want to join you or someone else's site.

And no, I'm not mad that I can't get anymore pics from here as I got about 85% of my pics from TGP's and google searches, I don't need this site to find pics.

AGTFB

[Kabuki]

Thanks. It's a bunch of crap but they're all money-grubbing people and if this gets deleted, then I rest my case!

AGTFB

Why are we money grubbing people? We're running a business but I run on a much smaller profit than many adult sites as we invest more back into the industry and trying out new models? We've always let limited amounts of our content be shown here for those who don't want to jon a website as well as promotional and we'll continue that - just without genital shots.
What exactly have you done? Ever put any money back in or are you just throwing a tizz because you can't get the pics?

seanchai

Don't let AGTFB get to you Seanchai. The majority of us know the truth, or were actually paying attention. I respect the move made by you, and the others. You're running a business , and you have to protect that business. Why is that so hard to understand by others?

[GroobySteven]

AGTFB - do a search over this site on any of my sites - or just go to the preview pages where we show our updates as they go up.

Shemale Yum puts at least 30 sets up a month of never seen images, Black Tgirls at least 28 sets, ladyboy-ladyboy.com another 24 sets, etc etc.

This is all new material that needs paying for - models get more expensive as does running a site.

If I have to lose a few potential members by not showing genital images from this site - yet keep my sites and the 20+ people working for me (not including the models) in a job and running well, well that's not really a choice at all.

All you do is leech content yet give nothing back in? You're contributing exactly zero to the industry yet taking away everything?

seanchai

[dkena]

Hallo,
GAME OVER THIS FORUM :-(

[GroobySteven]

Hallo,
GAME OVER THIS FORUM :-(

Well just as well you'd only posted 15 messages and didn't invest too much energy.
seanchai

[specialk]

When I stumbled in here a year ago, this site was more about topics about the Ts life/scene, which I found of interest. Sure, a few pics and clips now and then was cool, but I found the other threads more to my likeing. Many of the girls who were active members then, are long gone or in and out of here, for various reasons.

If this pic post ruling has an effect on the site in a negative way then so be it. We can all go back to finding our own pics the old fashioned way, click the mouse! They aren't hard to find!

Sorry, I should've offered the p-corn in the beginning of this thread :popcorn

[ice]

I have been a member for a long while mostly under my old name but it this has been a great forum to me. I can hosestly understand why this is being done..really i can. You have a business to protect.
But at the same time i think its going a bit overboard.

Seanchai: Granted yes the FBI has looked at the HA site, the FBI has probably already looked at the Grooby sites without your knowledge. You can't control what folks post anywhere these days, it makes more work for the moderators to kick out folks who post the wrong pics & to delete topics. Dunno how Grooby can be held responsible for anything that is posted from their sites by a 3rd Party or member? But whatever the cause I can understand & I hope one day the pics will return.

[BeardedOne]

Actually Beardedone - it's a little different to that.

Thanks for the clarification. I was trying to 'nutshell' the whole thing and forgot about the FBI twist.

Next week, on AT3: 'Wardrobe malfunction, fact or fiction?' with special guest stars Ephram Zimbelist, Jr. and David Duchovny.

[Vicki Richter]

Thanks. It's a bunch of crap but they're all money-grubbing people and if this gets deleted, then I rest my case!

AGTFB

Look... You are the last person this site or TGP posts should cater to. The free loader downloader. Yes you are upset because now you won't get to see girls dicks and drool and talk to other guys about how you want it in your mouth and ass. You sound enraged that one of your favorite free porn hookups has potentially been removed. There is no other rationale.

Honestly - to those who are saying "game over" to the forums, I would say I sincerely doubt that. Lots of sites, such as xxxporntalk, thrive despite fairly limited hardcore photo postings. This site was great before the pic collectors and spammers and it will be just fine without. My Yahoo group/fanclub doesn't post photos but amazingly has 30k members. I recently asked my fans a question in there and got 60 responses in 24 hours or so. Text only forums are still a thriving community

I think guys will still get to see pretty girls and guys will still get to talk about them. Those of you who subscribe to the same sites will still be able to explain how enamoured you are with the girls big shecocks and fixate on how it would feel inside you.

The fact that you won't be jacking off as much for free shouldn't be a big deal. Like you said, there are plenty of TGP sites you can get that from.

V

[BeardedOne]

Honestly - to those who are saying "game over" to the forums, I would say I sincerely doubt that.

From what I gather, it's just limitations on what we'll be seeing now. I haven't seen anyone mention anything to the effect of no more pix, not now, not ever, never. I expect we'll still get the occasional treats from the gurls themselves, when/if they choose to post their own images, but we'll still get to see the party pix, the lovely Jennifer and Claudia when they share their modelling photos, and yah, even Ms. Foxxx out on the town (I saw one of her making a face at the camera that was hilarious and showed no nudity).

I'm a member of some other 'gender variant' forums (Hey, Vicki! It's me, 'Gomez'! :D ) and I can attest to Vicki's comment that they don't wither and die from lack of dick pix. In fact, though each has, at the very least, its toes in the porn pool, HA is the only one where the porn is particularly prevalent.

It will be interesting to see the migration results, if any.

[specialk]

Thanks. It's a bunch of crap but they're all money-grubbing people and if this gets deleted, then I rest my case!

AGTFB

Look... You are the last person this site or TGP posts should cater to. The free loader downloader. Yes you are upset because now you won't get to see girls dicks and drool and talk to other guys about how you want it in your mouth and ass. You sound enraged that one of your favorite free porn hookups has potentially been removed. There is no other rationale.

Honestly - to those who are saying "game over" to the forums, I would say I sincerely doubt that. Lots of sites, such as xxxporntalk, thrive despite fairly limited hardcore photo postings. This site was great before the pic collectors and spammers and it will be just fine without. My Yahoo group/fanclub doesn't post photos but amazingly has 30k members. I recently asked my fans a question in there and got 60 responses in 24 hours or so. Text only forums are still a thriving community

I think guys will still get to see pretty girls and guys will still get to talk about them. Those of you who subscribe to the same sites will still be able to explain how enamoured you are with the girls big shecocks and fixate on how it would feel inside you.

The fact that you won't be jacking off as much for free shouldn't be a big deal. Like you said, there are plenty of TGP sites you can get that from.

V


LMAO......does this mean Spedius will have to get a real job? :P

[latrix67]

Thanks. It's a bunch of crap but they're all money-grubbing people and if this gets deleted, then I rest my case!

AGTFB

Look... You are the last person this site or TGP posts should cater to. The free loader downloader. Yes you are upset because now you won't get to see girls dicks and drool and talk to other guys about how you want it in your mouth and ass. You sound enraged that one of your favorite free porn hookups has potentially been removed. There is no other rationale.

Honestly - to those who are saying "game over" to the forums, I would say I sincerely doubt that. Lots of sites, such as xxxporntalk, thrive despite fairly limited hardcore photo postings. This site was great before the pic collectors and spammers and it will be just fine without. My Yahoo group/fanclub doesn't post photos but amazingly has 30k members. I recently asked my fans a question in there and got 60 responses in 24 hours or so. Text only forums are still a thriving community

I think guys will still get to see pretty girls and guys will still get to talk about them. Those of you who subscribe to the same sites will still be able to explain how enamoured you are with the girls big shecocks and fixate on how it would feel inside you.

The fact that you won't be jacking off as much for free shouldn't be a big deal. Like you said, there are plenty of TGP sites you can get that from.

V
Vikki's got a good point.The one thing I have noticed from this forum & others like it is the increase in the amount of 'Anybody/I want pics of....'.What annoys me is ,in some cases,some of these members take but never give in return.I wonder if some of these are complaining now?
In 90% of cases a lot of us do have pictures we can post but what we have to remember here is that in a lot of cases,the modelling work gals like Vikki do is their way of making a living.Now I'm no website owner/runner here but I'm sure the income that Vikki (for arguments sake) gets from the websites is a small fraction of the revenue they generate,BUT the are other things to consider,server costs,bandwidth,maintainance ect.
A few months ago,a friend of mine who runs a rubber fetish website with his G/Friend (Lucky bastward!! :twisted: ) almost had to close the website as Paypal or a n other changed the rules on adult web sites.(luckily,I get free membership :D ) They almost went bust.Before it was a free site but because of costs,it went pay & they'd sunk a lot of personal dosh into it.
No matter what is done,you wont please everbody.Just because someone throws a strop & teddy ends up in the corner,just remember,it's their work at the end of the day.

[scorpion]

It feels a little sad and empty. But I understand and respect seanchai and the other website owners decision. Im sure it dont the end of HA but the number of members gonna bee reduced.
Anyway HA is in first place a forum to discuss things on like happy moments problems nice trannys who have crossed our ways and a lot more....the pics have so far being a bonus

[rico del rio]

The free loader downloader


:wink: Vikki with the slam dunk ! She's right people need to subscribe and support, for these people work hard .

[GroobySteven]

Hey Rico - who done that painting of Pele?
Any link to it?
seanchai

[rico del rio]

I will let you know my friend got it at an art show in Goias , but I have many pics with me and Pele (my childhood hero) he is good friends with my uncle and met him when I was 7yrs old. The painter may be Ottavio Coelho ? I will double check.

[GroobySteven]

Thanks - it looks just to my taste.
Photos with Pele - that's awesome - the closest I got was buying a pair of Puma's that were the old Pele model.... :-(
seanchai

[Dasnasdi]

If you guys really love these girls as you say you do then BUY their work.
Dont steal it.
You are taking food out of their mouths.
Steal? If I steal your car, I deprive you of the benefits of owning that car. The porn studios, on the other hand, retain their master copies and their ability to duplicate and distribute them.

I will never understand why so many idiots think getting something for free equates to taking something away from the producer. Regardless of how many times an image is downloaded, production costs remain the same. I did not pay for the majority of still images on my hard drive. If they were all locked away, I just would not have them. Either way, the producer's accounts receivable remains the same. I have not taken any money away from him.

On occasion, a pic will particularly impress me, and I will go to the originating site and pay to see more. I certainly have paid for websites which I would have otherwise not even known about, were it not for pics posted on HA. Having samples in general distribution, leached by most, but with a few going to look (pay) for more, is good for business.

[canihavu]

Damn shame...

[teaseme]

If you guys really love these girls as you say you do then BUY their work.
Dont steal it.
You are taking food out of their mouths.
Steal? If I steal your car, I deprive you of the benefits of owning that car. The porn studios, on the other hand, retain their master copies and their ability to duplicate and distribute them.

I will never understand why so many idiots think getting something for free equates to taking something away from the producer. Regardless of how many times an image is downloaded, production costs remain the same. I did not pay for the majority of still images on my hard drive. If they were all locked away, I just would not have them. Either way, the producer's accounts receivable remains the same. I have not taken any money away from him.

On occasion, a pic will particularly impress me, and I will go to the originating site and pay to see more. I certainly have paid for websites which I would have otherwise not even known about, were it not for pics posted on HA. Having samples in general distribution, leached by most, but with a few going to look (pay) for more, is good for business.

Gee I bet you don't quite understand why you need to pay to get into a cinema to see a movie either - hmmm, maybe just for the overpriced popcorns and comfy chairs and A/C? I bet you don't understand the difference between tangible assets and assets that are not tangible. Gee where have you been for all the last century when the world has produced, consumed, and PAID for more intangible products than ever. You've never heard that Hollywood is one of America's biggest exporters and money-makers either have you? Yes it has lost big money due to copyright violation, due to people like yourself. YOU CAN STILL GET AWAY FROM IT DOES NOT MAKE IT LEGAL. This is considered precisely stealing, theft, unauthorized usage of proprietary materials. It is on the warning message prior to every movie you see on a non-pirated DVD - if you have ever paid to watch one. If you don't think such thefts cause producers, programmers, web engineers, graph designers, models - everybody that works in it to lose money or even livelihood - you don't deserve to live in a digital age. People like yourself are baggage to our digital age society, you don't contribute anything. All you do is taking, stealing and not even feel grateful for the hard labor people put in. If everybody starts to behave like you - start to steal and don't even think it is wrong (!!), there will be nobody to work in it and there will no more digital products and we will be forced to go to where you are from - the cavemen age. You shall just stay in your cave and don't even crawl out to our digital age.

[scroller]

Well, there is an important distinction between "theft" and "copyright violation". Theft requires a physical "taking" (see National Stolen Property Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2314).

Copyright violations cannot be prosecuted under theft laws.
See Supreme Court: Dowling v. United States, 473 U.S. 207 (1985), etc.

[DJ_Asia]

I have run across many people online who feel that they owe zero to the owners and producers of websites..as if WE owe THEM the luxury of being able to jerk off for free...
I mean lets face it,porn is for jerking off...and if you get your porn for free then there is no reason tp pay for it.
Men tend to think with their little head as opposed to the one attached to their neck.So zero thought goes into what it requirres to produce a photo set,and maintain a website.No matter how many times I have tried to explain it(as if I should have to) these people still walk away calling us money hungry and being pissed off.

If you want to see the effects of stealing porn,take a look through your old "favorites" list on your web browser and see how many sites have simply disappeared....surely if people paid to see those sites and the content within more often then not they wouldnt be defunct.

The reality is porn sites come and go and as long as the internet remains in present form there will always be new sites popping up and there will always be people who steal from them w/o batting an eyelash and there will always be a good chance that next time you go look at those sites they will be gone.

[teaseme]

Well, there is an important distinction between "theft" and "copyright violation". Theft requires a physical "taking" (see National Stolen Property Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2314).

Copyright violations cannot be prosecuted under theft laws.
See Supreme Court: Dowling v. United States, 473 U.S. 207 (1985), etc.

Excuse me please I confused "DUI" with "reckless driving" however you shouldn't do either - which law is voilated is the technicality for the legal system to sort out. If you are so smart with laws, can't you see that there is even a more important difference between an action that is violating the laws vs. not? And the difference between thinking it is all right to do so vs. it is wrong to do so?!

[dbev]

I rarely write here, mainly because it seems that people do not agree with me, anyway I would like to point out that the whole situation is really weird.

First of all, I always suspected that some transgendered people had mood swings, jumping from rage to calm, maybe due to the medicines they take or to the obvious stress of living a situation like theirs. Therefore, I am not surprised by the actions of one of these people. Given that the reasons she explained are untenable under any logic point of view, what remains is extremely irrational and we should try to understand her driving forces.

Secondly, having said that, I doubt that she understands what she has done to her career in the business... I mean... if she wants to remain in the adult business. Making accusations to the people you have to work with is not easy or uncomplicated when you have proofs, but doing the same without any solid evidence will likely expose you to some sort of retaliation.

Finally, I fail to understand why the more "adult" content should not be posted in this forum. If there is any issue with the legal requirements, I think that there are a number of possibilities:

allowing only photographs with the logo of the original website, so that the owner of this website will be responsible for what was published;
allowing photographs without the logo of the original website only if the person posting them clearly states that they are "personal material";
allowing the viewing of the photographs only to registered people, that is to people who have completed their registration procedure, have stated their personal details and their age and then have logged in. In this way, for people passing by would not be possible to see the photographs.

I forgot to mention that, for me, the main purposes of this forum are the "appetiser" function, that is seeing here and then ordering from the original website; and the "knowing the perfomer" function that may be a good thing if porn is regarded as a form of art.

[whatsupwithat]

I will let you know my friend got it at an art show in Goias , but I have many pics with me and Pele (my childhood hero) he is good friends with my uncle and met him when I was 7yrs old. The painter may be Ottavio Coelho ? I will double check.

He used to have an office in my office...long story. Loved that guy.

[Cedricbi01]

Hey All !

This looks like a Hell of a Thread isn't it ? :twisted:

Well, I'm pretty new here (still Rookie Poster) and my native language is not English (you could have bet hu ?) but I'm not 100% sure the I properly understand the problem, could you help me answering the following :

- Does the problem come from the fact FBI looked into the site and found x-rated pictures ? Whitout any warning of the forum being an adult site ?

- Does the problem come from the fact that Webmaster from other sites (Grooby and others...) don't get paid for pictures that are shown here for free ? Though some of them might have been either collected on free sites or while people were client (paying a subscribtion) to the very same site ?

I'll be very frank here : I come here to exchange about something I really like (TGirls) and I really enjoy looking at explicit pictures ! Of course, on top, they're free but most of them are collected from free sites... including the ones showing genitals !

Last point, showing these pictures with the site name on it (as someone mentionned !) is also a nice way to promote site isn't it ? Doesn't it drive (at least some) HA members to go and visit these ?

I'll be very disappointed if all of these images would disappear but as I can't do else I will have to let you moderators do your job !
Sad ending !


PS: sorry for my bad English !

[latrix67]

free...I have run across many people online who feel that they owe zero to the owners and producers of websites..as if WE owe THEM the luxury of being able to jerk off for
I mean lets face it,porn is for jerking off...and if you get your porn for free then there is no reason tp pay for it.
Men tend to think with their little head as opposed to the one attached to their neck.So zero thought goes into what it requirres to produce a photo set,and maintain a website.No matter how many times I have tried to explain it(as if I should have to) these people still walk away calling us money hungry and being pissed off.

If you want to see the effects of stealing porn,take a look through your old "favorites" list on your web browser and see how many sites have simply disappeared....surely if people paid to see those sites and the content within more often then not they wouldnt be defunct.

The reality is porn sites come and go and as long as the internet remains in present form there will always be new sites popping up and there will always be people who steal from them w/o batting an eyelash and there will always be a good chance that next time you go look at those sites they will be gone.

I agree with DJ Asia.
Take my friends website,I got free membership from him & his missus.BUT even tho I dont pay for the membership,I look after the site when they are away,posting the updates,forum ect.I clicked on some links I had in my favorites,sites I had'nt viseted for a while.Guess what,they're gone.

[GroobySteven]

- Does the problem come from the fact FBI looked into the site and found x-rated pictures ? Whitout any warning of the forum being an adult site ?

I'm sorry you missed the original postings but it was better they were removed. A well known model complained about some wording used on a posting - which escalated and the FBI were needlessly called. There is no point going back into this, so any postings discussing it will be asked to be removed.


- Does the problem come from the fact that Webmaster from other sites (Grooby and others...) don't get paid for pictures that are shown here for free ? Though some of them might have been either collected on free sites or while people were client (paying a subscribtion) to the very same site ?
We've always used HungAngels and other forum sites as a promotional tool and we have not stated that pictures cannot be shown - only images showing genitals. We censored our images on the free previews of our websites a while ago which although is not a legal requirement at this time, was recommended by our lawyers. Posting here was an option we took to promote us without censoring but for safety, it's better to take stronger measures.


Last point, showing these pictures with the site name on it (as someone mentionned !) is also a nice way to promote site isn't it ? Doesn't it drive (at least some) HA members to go and visit these ?

As I stated, we're not going to stop our images being shown - just the ones showing genitals. I understand what you're saying about the logos remaining (and this answers the previous poster also) but it's about having the images on our server so we can control them when and if we need to and be 100% responsible for their use, not what someone else needs to do with them.

I don't think this should affect this site in anyway apart from those purely here to seek free images - which they can find on masses of other places around the net.
seanchai

[Dasnasdi]

Ok teaseme, rather than tell me that I don't deserve to live in a digital age, why don't you address the issue I raised.

Let's break it down to simple math.

My point: X + 0 = X

Your theory: X + 0 < X

Your contention that by not paying money to a pornographer, I am taking money away from the
pornographer, is logically absurd.

Producers will charge paying customers the amount they feel will yield maximum profitability. Charge too little, you make less profit, charge to much, you have less customers, ergo less profit. It's a balancing act between the two, leaching does not figure into it at all.

As I said before, Leaching does not increase production costs. It is therefore a neutral element, neither positive nor negative.

And if there were insufficient paying customers to make porn profitable (this is taking a serious detour from reality), the porn industry would adapt. Budgets would be cut, quality would suffer, old material would be reintroduced, and you and I would continue to have smut to jerk off to.

[GroobySteven]

As I said before, Leaching does not increase production costs. It is therefore a neutral element, neither positive nor negative.

And if there were insufficient paying customers to make porn profitable (this is taking a serious detour from reality), the porn industry would adapt. Budgets would be cut, quality would suffer, old material would be reintroduced, and you and I would continue to have smut to jerk off to.

Your absolutely incorrect - as smart as you try to make yourself sound, your clueless.
Leeching needs to be leeched from somewhere - so a website, or share facility which is downloading whole sets or ripping videos so that people can get them for free, is retarding the potential customer base.
If somebody hands me a pirate copy of a new movie - I'm not going to go to the theatre to see it. If a potential theatre goer knows he's can get a prirate copy of a movie from a certain place, then the theatre, the producers, the popcorn makers, everybody LOSES.

Your point about the millions that adult producers make is off the mark and just shows your ignorance. The adult market is multi-billion but we work on much tighter budgets than you'd expect - look how many sites don't make it? We have to have a new site online 2-3 years before it turns profit (smaller companies can't last that long).
You are disabling the industry and your denial is weak.

You're not going to stop leeching but don't claim it's not hurting other peoples business from the top of the tree (the owners/producers) through photographers, designers, independant free websites like this who make their money from referrals, models, makeups, DVD manufacturers, printers, etc.

Leeching + Denial = Dasanardi = SCUM.

seanchai

[dbev]

As usual, nobody replied to my message.

What a wonderful forum... at least I was not offended!

Break a leg with the FBI!

[BeardedOne]

As usual, nobody replied to my message.

What a wonderful forum... at least I was not offended!

Break a leg with the FBI!

This is a running/morphing thread, so you may find your answers along the way. Hang tight. :)

As for your intitial query, it only proves that they think like women: Rarely in a way in which we would find it 'logical'. :) Could be hormones, could be genetics, could be their favorite salad dressing.

:shrug

As for the you're rich-and-I-hate-you-so-my-getting-your-stuff-for-free-can't-hurt-you argument, it's as old as the first forms of intellectual property. Publishers, artists, authors, filmmakers, musicians, pornsters, etc. will be plagued with pirating 'til the end of time and no amount of reasoning and explanation of accounting responsibility will sway the belief that what you aren't selling won't hurt your bottom line.

Damn, it's just a variation of the "Am I gay" threads. :roll:

[phxguy]

As far as I'm concerned, you might as well shut Hung Angels down. There's nothing here for us now.

[scorpion]

shut Hung Angels down???
Why paint the devil on the wall phxguy?
Maybee youre here only four jerk and look at sexy trannys.
If it is the reason..there is plenty of other sites which can satisfy your fantasys.
Sure I gonna miss this but I know that the most of us are here four other reasons than just pornsurfing.

[Dasnasdi]

Leeching needs to be leeched from somewhere
Still pics are nice, but I get off on moving images. I am willing to pay for moving images, and I do. But if I can't leach stills from HA, I'd just do without them.

And that is where your logic breaks down. It relies on the false premise that I would pay for them, were I not getting the stills for free.

Furthermore, I find it hilarious that an immensely wealthy man is concerned that I am hurting him economically.
look how many sites don't make it?
Gee, market saturation wouldn't have anything to do with it, now would it?

Admit it, you made a killing because you got into it early. Congratulations. With the glut of porn currently on the market, the entrepreneurial newcomer will have to find some other means to attain like success. Competition, not leaching, is the reason you can't turn profit today like you did in the past.

[TheGuard]

I don't really see what the big deal is, personally I don't come to HA because of the pictures, you can find that on a myriad of other internet sites in abundance. I come, not literally - get your mind out of the gutter, for some sort of interaction with transsexual women and other men who share my interest. I'm not the type to visit an escort, judgements aside, and I live in a college town, so this is the extent of my contact with anything transsexual. Do I need dick pictures, surely not, this site is, or at least should be so much more than that.

[GroobySteven]

I asked for your post to be edited as it contained personal information that I can't remember giving you on this forum.

Now you wouldn't pay for a website ever (?) but other people would and that's where your logic once again ... fails. You need to re-read my previous post, I'm not trying to change your mind on leeching, you're obviously going to do it but by having a place (not this site) where all the content is free, would be a problem.

I really wish I was an immensely rich man - then I wouldn't have to be so concerned to have to come on forums like this to defend the industry and try and make sales. Funnily enough we have much less competition to 5 yrs ago so that never hurt business - and my business is doing incredibly well but it's not just the Grooby sites that are getting hurt.

You're absolutely in denial that what you are doing is hurting peoples businesses and livlihoods.

seanchai

[qeuqheeg222]

this is a really enjoyable thread..legal eagles with the copyright thelft vs. propertytheft..pro business vs. pro-free speech in the digital age...personas from all walks of life,countries and genders speakin out....and not one TEEN photo or someone posing down as a TEEN with a hard-on...do you all think spedius will get a day job?...

[qeuqheeg222]

p.s. little teaser vids from unscrupulous sources have led me in the past and present to join certain content providers...i luv black t-girls!...i miss some of the photos here as reference points but im here for the articles and conversation....

[teaseme]

Ok teaseme, rather than tell me that I don't deserve to live in a digital age, why don't you address the issue I raised.

Let's break it down to simple math.

My point: X + 0 = X

Your theory: X + 0 < X

Your contention that by not paying money to a pornographer, I am taking money away from the
pornographer, is logically absurd.

Producers will charge paying customers the amount they feel will yield maximum profitability. Charge too little, you make less profit, charge to much, you have less customers, ergo less profit. It's a balancing act between the two, leaching does not figure into it at all.

As I said before, Leaching does not increase production costs. It is therefore a neutral element, neither positive nor negative.

And if there were insufficient paying customers to make porn profitable (this is taking a serious detour from reality), the porn industry would adapt. Budgets would be cut, quality would suffer, old material would be reintroduced, and you and I would continue to have smut to jerk off to.

First of all, you assume X+0 = X. You know what the problem is here? The problem is you are alwasy going to be a "0". Since you are always going to be "0" = you either have to get it for free or you just don't get it - you said it in your first post, why should producers put up free contents for YOU. Producers put up free contents for marketing, for enticing POTENTIAL customers, for the "0" to be a potential positive. When facing somebody with no potential (always going to be "0"), there is absolutely no merit, no incentive for the producers to put out free marketing materials. So it competely justifies to take the free marketing materials somewhere else instead of wasting time on YOU - no harm to the producers, but guess what, you don't get the freebees handpicked adn handed to you from here any more. Well, yes you can always get it from somewhere for free. The internet is infinitive, you can always play that anomymous potential customer and get some freebees legally, or you can ILLEGALLY steal it from somewhere. The former is going to get you some teasers, but hey, you have to work on it - look it up from the search engine, sign up mailing groups etc... nontheless, you still have to work on it. And teasers are always going to be teasers, not the real thing. The latter, well, it is ILLEGAL and such behaviors hurt any industries that produce and distribute intangible products - why do you think Hollywood spends so much money on legal fees and lobbying against China?!. So if you have to do it quietly and secretely when you still can get away with it, but it is wrong. The bottom line is, you don't seem to have the aptitude to become a PAYING digital pornography CONSUMER, you are obviously not a producer either, you seem to position yourself as a permanent freebee collector. Your position either contributes nothing to the industry - therefore the industry might as well delete you from the costs/profit analysis equation; or your position can hurt the industry through stealing and encouraging stealing, in which case even you know is wrong.

[irish_rose]

To cut to the chase, why should Grooby give it away when they stand to lose money? I am a member of 1or more grooby sites at any given time and pay good money to see their content.
The only question I ask of grooby is do you have a quantity discount for signing up on more than one site and perhaps for mulitple sites?

[GroobySteven]

To cut to the chase, why should Grooby give it away when they stand to lose money? I am a member of 1or more grooby sites at any given time and pay good money to see their content.
The only question I ask of grooby is do you have a quantity discount for signing up on more than one site and perhaps for mulitple sites?


Actually, we're happy to give some away as part of our marketing and we do have mailing lists, a blog etc. Samples of candy make you hungrier for more!
Yes we do have multiple discounts - take a look at http://grooby.com/paybymail.html

If there was a specific package you wanted us to quote you for, we'd do that on an individual basis.

All prices are going up Janaury 1st - if you're grandfathered in, it doesn't change. We still have people on our $17.95 a month which was about 5 yrs ago!
seanchai

[BeardedOne]

this is a really enjoyable thread..legal eagles with the copyright thelft vs. propertytheft..pro business vs. pro-free speech in the digital age...personas from all walks of life,countries and genders speakin out....and not one TEEN photo or someone posing down as a TEEN with a hard-on...do you all think spedius will get a day job?...

:lol: :lol: :lol:

OW! Damn! I think I burst a blood vessel on that one. :lol:

[Johnny]

I think I'll have to put my 10 cent worth in here... (or pence)

You all have good point on this subject and I don't want to state weather I am for or against any particular party, but I feel a little research would answer some questions.

First of all does Leeching or as Vicki put it, the free loader downloader hurt an industry - Well the answer has to be YES!

Is it controllable? The answer I am afraid in NO.

For example the music industry has tried and tried to take control of music copyright ever since napster first came and took the digital age by storm. Ever since then the music industry has lost more money in legal battles trying to stop it/buying out software and websites, than it has in lost revenue from people downloading or not buying the CD. Its crazy but its true.

See the problem for a consumer was always that for every album they bought they would only truly ever like maybe 4 or 5 tracks of 10-12. So what the digital age did was allow freedom of choice. Which is what the internet is all about. People go to the various websites but to get a true collection of pics that they want on any particular subject they may have to be a member of 10 different websites and then the costs start going up.

Hollywood as someone mentioned, also says its suffering. Well this is true, and as a film maker its something that worries me, should I ever get around to making the feature film that's been on the shelf forever. What can you do though? Everytime they find a new encryption method someone will break it. To be honest Hollywood's decrease is also probably due to more a lack of trust from the public. In that I mean, how many great films have you seen of late? I am lucky if I see 4 or 5 movies that really touch me or make me walk out the cinema in a buzz, yet I go to the cinema every week. So why pay for a product that you cant take back and get your money back when it doesnt deliver?

Which brings me to the another point. Because I am in the industry, I would never never watch a copy DVD, well I did once, and then I went out and bought it - which happens allot believe it or not. However, back to the point in question, while I would never buy a copy DVD, I do have MP3's on my computer and I have not bought them all. How many of the people here moaning about retaining copyright probably have an I-Pod full of songs they have never bought??? That's a little hypocritical don't you think?

All this aside, your bound to be more sensitive when its the industry you work in. Yet the funny thing is you say you can get the pics anywhere on the internet. I am sure if you took the time you could probably find the entire Grooby catalogue online for free or you could find a simple method to hack into the site. It just takes time, where there is a will there is a way. Does that make it right to steal the pictures, Of course it doesn't. Can you control it - NO, you can only control on sites you own or whose owner you are friends with.

So back to someone's suggestions about making this a login page, where You have to login to view the pics. I think this could be a good idea. I'll be the first to admit I love the pics on this site, but I also love the chit chats and its a fun site. I think the whole affair went too far, but lets be honest it was coming sooner or later. As someone said the tantrums where becoming frequent.

I for one will still check in to see what people are talking about. And as far as I am aware you have not said there wont be ANY naked pics, just ones from the sites mentioned?? is that correct?

My parting words.. (on the subject - this isn't I am leaving HA comment) lol
are these, of course try and protect your content the best you can. But the time you spent over the past week trying, probably equals a couple of man hours at $50-$70 an hour.. what's that equate too in subs? Dont get caught up with taking it too far. We are in a new age of technology and its the companies/producers that will adapt not the consumer.

We expect everything for free now, and we know we can get it. The method for companies has to be offer something more. For example, lets say Grooby had a win a date with a TS star monthly competition, and just so we knew it wasn't your friends winning, the winner had to post a blog and maybe a picture.. and you paid for a night out in new york, well that's just something that money or time on the internet cannot get you.. thus making your product invaluable.. its not a perfect plan, just an example that would/might bring in more people. You will see the music industry do this in the next couple of years, you will get magazines, DVD's and exclusive content when you buy a CD. We will pay more but people will feel its value for money.

Everyone should learn from the lessons of the music industry and move on.

There that's my 10 cents worth LOL

[Jennifer_English]

On a lighter note might I take this opportunity to say that I will continute to be posting hot pics off my cock and my asshole all over the show... an no gun totin' FBI is gonna stop me!!!

mmmmmmmmmmwahhhhh haaaa haaaaa

Jennifer
-x-

[johnb]

yea jennifer royale!! from the looks of your pics, you'd make a good 007.5! (by the way, how much is that in centimeters)?

[Fockzilla]

May only be posted showing no genitals. This will include our sample postings. Any posts showing images belonging to use, we will ask to be removed.
seanchai

Shite! Are you serious? Now everybody's gonna do that. Well it was good while lasted.

[Dharma]

On a lighter note might I take this opportunity to say that I will continute to be posting hot pics off my cock and my asshole all over the show... an no gun totin' FBI is gonna stop me!!!

mmmmmmmmmmwahhhhh haaaa haaaaa

Jennifer
-x-
That's the spirit Jennifer! :P

[TonyStarx]

...

[barclee]

censureship: in what Age are we living?
conservative America ...: start thinking and don't be longer hypocrite

besides that I won't miss most of the Yum-pics 'cause I do not like most of their models, they do not realize that by showing their pics on forums like this also attracks new contributors/members to their sites :roll:

so what will be the new policy of this forum ...

[GroobySteven]

censureship: in what Age are we living?
conservative America ...: start thinking and don't be longer hypocrite

besides that I won't miss most of the Yum-pics 'cause I do not like most of their models, they do not realize that by showing their pics on forums like this also attracks new contributors/members to their sites :roll:

so what will be the new policy of this forum ...
:roll: Barely worth a response - goes in the doofus pile.
seanchai

[Castor_Troy05]

I missed the whole deal, but I respect the decisions taken by the webmasters to protect their sites. I actually don't mind not seeing the cock pictures and clothed ones are fine by me. If anyone wants to see more, then there are other methods to achieve this, either pay for them, or use the other methods to get pics just a bit later than released online

[yosi]

seanchai
my opinion is that you are making a mistake.
I can understand your frustration with leechers , but showing pics of shemales without their genitals?

you are taking away the "magic" of the shemale , this is why we are here.
in the bottom line , you will be the one losing potential members.

I joined many TS sites after being impressed by their promotions
and there was certainly what to be impressed about .
I think many other members are like me , being impressed and than joining.
but if potential members don't have what to be impreesed about.........

just my 2 cents 8)

[GroobySteven]

Yosi, It's got less to do with leechers and more to do with control over which of our images are shown - especially on a place we use ourselves for promotional purposes.
I'll keep an eye on the stats but frankly, I don't think they'll change - we only have shemales on our sites so showing samples of a girl in panties and not showing her dick should entice people equally as well as showing them with their cocks showing?
seanchai

[deebo]

haha that sucks ass

[Kurdy M]

seanchai
my opinion is that you are making a mistake.
I can understand your frustration with leechers , but showing pics of shemales without their genitals?

you are taking away the "magic" of the shemale , this is why we are here.
in the bottom line , you will be the one losing potential members.

I joined many TS sites after being impressed by their promotions
and there was certainly what to be impressed about .
I think many other members are like me , being impressed and than joining.
but if potential members don't have what to be impreesed about.........

just my 2 cents 8)

I think you are right. It is the same discussion with downloading mp3's.
People downloaded a song and then bought the cd because the liked the song. Same here.
Beside that it is fighting windmills, someone will start a website somewhere in eastern-europe and post all the grooby pics.

[Kabuki]

seanchai
my opinion is that you are making a mistake.
I can understand your frustration with leechers , but showing pics of shemales without their genitals?

you are taking away the "magic" of the shemale , this is why we are here.
in the bottom line , you will be the one losing potential members.

I joined many TS sites after being impressed by their promotions
and there was certainly what to be impressed about .
I think many other members are like me , being impressed and than joining.
but if potential members don't have what to be impreesed about.........

just my 2 cents 8)

I think you are right. It is the same discussion with downloading mp3's.
People downloaded a song and then bought the cd because the liked the song. Same here.
Beside that it is fighting windmills, someone will start a website somewhere in eastern-europe and post all the grooby pics.

Once again, leeching is not the issue at hand. Claims were made about the forum, and the FBI got involved. Seanchai and some others are just protecting their companies. They didn't do anything wrong, but who wants to be involved in a witchhunt. I'm impressed that Seanchai still addresses this matter over and over again. I would get tired of all the attacks.

[mrniceguy]

I understand what Seanchai is doing. He has a right to keep his product exclusive. Maybe he will change his mind. I can say that I have twice joined Black T-girls and once i joined Shemale-yum. I like both sites but I wouldnt have joined if I hadnt seen the models totally naked. Ironically, it wasnt on this site that I first saw those images, it was on some of those yahoo groups. Now that I know what is on the Grooby sites, I will continue to rejoin from time to time. It is kind of like Playboy, you know the quality you are getting.

On the other hand, I joined sites like Shemale Club because I saw the pics of Paola on Hung Angels. They got me for three months from a couple of pics.

[spooker609]

I remember the original discussion that brought this about and I understand why people are adopting this pollicy, I'm a memeber of yum and will be renewing my membership. However if I had never seen pics of some of the girls genitals befor I probably wouldn't have joined, not because I disagree with the policy it's just that with TS I'd wanna know what kinda goods I was gettin. I only post this to give an opinion not to complain, if somebody is going to stick their neck out and put money on the line to start a business they have the right to run it any way they want and they definately have to protect what they have. So my post is just a comment a kina customer comment card if tou will.

While I'm at it, Sean can you look at maybe a search function on the site someday, so you could type in a girls name and go to her gallery? :D

[d]

I never seen a forum full of members that just do NOT read. It's very very scary to see the lack of comprehension here. :banghead

yup

[Kurdy M]

seanchai
my opinion is that you are making a mistake.
I can understand your frustration with leechers , but showing pics of shemales without their genitals?

you are taking away the "magic" of the shemale , this is why we are here.
in the bottom line , you will be the one losing potential members.

I joined many TS sites after being impressed by their promotions
and there was certainly what to be impressed about .
I think many other members are like me , being impressed and than joining.
but if potential members don't have what to be impreesed about.........

just my 2 cents 8)

I think you are right. It is the same discussion with downloading mp3's.
People downloaded a song and then bought the cd because the liked the song. Same here.
Beside that it is fighting windmills, someone will start a website somewhere in eastern-europe and post all the grooby pics.

Once again, leeching is not the issue at hand. Claims were made about the forum, and the FBI got involved. Seanchai and some others are just protecting their companies. They didn't do anything wrong, but who wants to be involved in a witchhunt. I'm impressed that Seanchai still addresses this matter over and over again. I would get tired of all the attacks.

The FBI got involved?? Why?? Because they thought someone was a terrorist here??
Well ofcourse they monitor people like chefmike and quinn because of their political statements made here but what has that to do with porn pics??

[BeardedOne]

I think we should make Unisex's post a sticky:


I never seen a forum full of members that just do NOT read. It's very very scary to see the lack of comprehension here. :banghead

[dkena]

:cry:

[BillyCuddles]

The new guy chimes in.

What baffles me is the # of complaints posted here reg Grooby's right to protect their business. Stop faulting seanchai.

If you don't want to join his Top Notch (secure)sites go elsewhere. Hardcore TS porn is all over the Internet and you can download free clips and pics until you're blue in the face, but you do so taking a risk of unknowingly downloading malicious programs.

There's only one way to get around Title 227 and that is use a Server outside the USA. If your server and or Domain registry is in the US you are subject to Title 227 regulations. so.... The Grooby folks are protecting their interests and rightly so.

[GroobySteven]

While I'm at it, Sean can you look at maybe a search function on the site someday, so you could type in a girls name and go to her gallery? :D

It's pretty easy to find a model by name on any of the sites - just go to the "model list" page and on your browser do an "edit" and "find in this page". Of course, different models have the same name you'll see them all.

However, we're working on a system for 2007 in which you'd be able to search by name and other variables. We hope you'd be able to put in:
"latin" "natural breasts" "shaved" "big cock" and be able to get all those relevant models as well as be able to save your searches.
Watch this space!
seanchai

[spooker609]

While I'm at it, Sean can you look at maybe a search function on the site someday, so you could type in a girls name and go to her gallery? :D

It's pretty easy to find a model by name on any of the sites - just go to the "model list" page and on your browser do an "edit" and "find in this page". Of course, different models have the same name you'll see them all.

However, we're working on a system for 2007 in which you'd be able to search by name and other variables. We hope you'd be able to put in:
"latin" "natural breasts" "shaved" "big cock" and be able to get all those relevant models as well as be able to save your searches.
Watch this space!
seanchai

Cool, I'll look forward to that. And I hope I wasn't missunderstood, I was just commenting, I remember what got all this started and totaly understand why the decision was made, if it weren't for guys like you this type of stuff wouldn't be available at all. And theres no reason to risk what you have built.

[GroobySteven]

While I'm at it, Sean can you look at maybe a search function on the site someday, so you could type in a girls name and go to her gallery? :D


It's pretty easy to find a model by name on any of the sites - just go to the "model list" page and on your browser do an "edit" and "find in this page". Of course, different models have the same name you'll see them all.

However, we're working on a system for 2007 in which you'd be able to search by name and other variables. We hope you'd be able to put in:
"latin" "natural breasts" "shaved" "big cock" and be able to get all those relevant models as well as be able to save your searches.
Watch this space!
seanchai


Cool, I'll look forward to that. And I hope I wasn't missunderstood, I was just commenting, I remember what got all this started and totaly understand why the decision was made, if it weren't for guys like you this type of stuff wouldn't be available at all. And theres no reason to risk what you have built.


No all good thanks - can always let us know what you're looking for or how we can improve on the site forums, admin@grooby.com, pm'ing me on here - or even on this site.
Some of our best changes have came from feedback over the years.
Thanks
seanchai

[peggygee]

I think we should make Unisex's post a sticky:


I never seen a forum full of members that just do NOT read. It's very very scary to see the lack of comprehension here. :banghead

Co-signed :claps

[werwt22]

Ok teaseme, rather than tell me that I don't deserve to live in a digital age, why don't you address the issue I raised.

Let's break it down to simple math.

My point: X + 0 = X

Your theory: X + 0 < X

Your contention that by not paying money to a pornographer, I am taking money away from the
pornographer, is logically absurd.

Producers will charge paying customers the amount they feel will yield maximum profitability. Charge too little, you make less profit, charge to much, you have less customers, ergo less profit. It's a balancing act between the two, leaching does not figure into it at all.

As I said before, Leaching does not increase production costs. It is therefore a neutral element, neither positive nor negative.

And if there were insufficient paying customers to make porn profitable (this is taking a serious detour from reality), the porn industry would adapt. Budgets would be cut, quality would suffer, old material would be reintroduced, and you and I would continue to have smut to jerk off to.

First of all, you assume X+0 = X. You know what the problem is here? The problem is you are alwasy going to be a "0". Since you are always going to be "0" = you either have to get it for free or you just don't get it - you said it in your first post, why should producers put up free contents for YOU. Producers put up free contents for marketing, for enticing POTENTIAL customers, for the "0" to be a potential positive. When facing somebody with no potential (always going to be "0"), there is absolutely no merit, no incentive for the producers to put out free marketing materials. So it competely justifies to take the free marketing materials somewhere else instead of wasting time on YOU - no harm to the producers, but guess what, you don't get the freebees handpicked adn handed to you from here any more. Well, yes you can always get it from somewhere for free. The internet is infinitive, you can always play that anomymous potential customer and get some freebees legally, or you can ILLEGALLY steal it from somewhere. The former is going to get you some teasers, but hey, you have to work on it - look it up from the search engine, sign up mailing groups etc... nontheless, you still have to work on it. And teasers are always going to be teasers, not the real thing. The latter, well, it is ILLEGAL and such behaviors hurt any industries that produce and distribute intangible products - why do you think Hollywood spends so much money on legal fees and lobbying against China?!. So if you have to do it quietly and secretely when you still can get away with it, but it is wrong. The bottom line is, you don't seem to have the aptitude to become a PAYING digital pornography CONSUMER, you are obviously not a producer either, you seem to position yourself as a permanent freebee collector. Your position either contributes nothing to the industry - therefore the industry might as well delete you from the costs/profit analysis equation; or your position can hurt the industry through stealing and encouraging stealing, in which case even you know is wrong.

Algebra lol. Honestly the act of limiting the content displayed now encourages stealing. As far as potential customers I've been lost as one...and yes I know "1" isnt a huge number, but it becomes an inconvenience to now have to browse 10 sites to find what used to be convenient to get from updates here and see all that they were working with. Tired of rolling the dice on sites that may flop that month if you know what I mean. I dont expect a response...just giving you some results from the change.

[GroobySteven]

Algebra lol. Honestly the act of limiting the content displayed now encourages stealing. As far as potential customers I've been lost as one...and yes I know "1" isnt a huge number, but it becomes an inconvenience to now have to browse 10 sites to find what used to be convenient to get from updates here and see all that they were working with. Tired of rolling the dice on sites that may flop that month if you know what I mean. I dont expect a response...just giving you some results from the change.

One customer is a huge number - which is why we've continued to show models from every update, immediately after the update on this site - so you can see exactly what is in that update. I've never seen any other site do this as dilligently as we do. You can also go to the site tour and see what has been updated that week, you can sign on to our blog at http://www.grooby.com or the mailing list to get un-censored images sent directly to your email.
Luckily, our sites don't flop one month. One week may not be "stellar" for you but as we update betwen 4 - 9 models a week depending on the site, then over the month you'd certainly get more than your money's worth.

With the exception of showing uncensored images here - let me know what we need to do to keep YOU as a customer.
seanchai

[Kabuki]

Algebra lol. Honestly the act of limiting the content displayed now encourages stealing. As far as potential customers I've been lost as one...and yes I know "1" isnt a huge number, but it becomes an inconvenience to now have to browse 10 sites to find what used to be convenient to get from updates here and see all that they were working with. Tired of rolling the dice on sites that may flop that month if you know what I mean. I dont expect a response...just giving you some results from the change.

One customer is a huge number - which is why we've continued to show models from every update, immediately after the update on this site - so you can see exactly what is in that update. I've never seen any other site do this as dilligently as we do. You can also go to the site tour and see what has been updated that week, you can sign on to our blog at http://www.grooby.com or the mailing list to get un-censored images sent directly to your email.
Luckily, our sites don't flop one month. One week may not be "stellar" for you but as we update betwen 4 - 9 models a week depending on the site, then over the month you'd certainly get more than your money's worth.

With the exception of showing uncensored images here - let me know what we need to do to keep YOU as a customer.
seanchai

Seanchai is a good spokesperson for his sites. It's all about good customer service, and he realizes that.

[werwt22]

Sounds decent. I'll give the mailing list a try and give you some feedback.