Has HA Become Politically Correct?

[RangeHova]

I notice how we jump on some guys who are anti postop. I do it myself. We call them dick crazy and say that they don’t give a shit about the girl and only want the dick. I have seen us team up on them and throw verbal blows to guys for stating how they feel a loss or sadness from a girl choosing to get SRS.

Lets face facts, this discussion here os based in the realm or porn. In this realm the people looking at the pictures for the most part are more concerned with how turned on the girl in the picture makes them. These guys are not here to give a damn about the actresses or models beyond that.

Most of these guys have never even meet a TS. The ones that have in most cases have not had any interaction beyond plopping down some cash for a few minutes of cheap unconnected meaningless sex with and escort. These same guys probably wouldn’t speak to these girls in public. I would say that very few guys in this forum have actually had a relationship with a TS that was not sexual, yeah I mean a real actual friend.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying that guys that deal with the girls are bad uncaring people. But in a porn based world, you gotta expect that a great deal of these guys aren’t going to be happy when the object of their desire decides to remove the thing that makes them most attractive to them.

If you are only attracted to women with long hair and your wife decides to get a buzz cut, or if you like heavy women and you favorite fuck buddy loses a lot of weight it will change things on some level for how you see them. In an unconnected world like porn it is even more the case and even more when you look at what some deem one of the fetish wings of porn. Most of us here don’t know shit about these girls except how they look unclothed,most of us really don't want to know anything beyond that.

That is no slight on these women as transwomen or as women at all. It is just a part of being in the business. It is a part of you being the sex symbols that you are for so many guys here.

I for one think guys would be surprised to see how special these girls are beyond this porn view, beyond how big their dicks are and beyond how hard they make your dick. I personally find many Ts women to be unique and special rather they have a half inch, 19 inches or have had SRS. But I don’t think because I have this so-called enlightened view that makes me better than the guy who just wants to look at a hot cock and jack off. After all this is a porn site.

The bad thing is that the best place for guys who really like the girls to discuss that like is in such a sex first forum. It then becomes a batle btween the guys here just for jackoff material and those more into the girls.

[la2bkk]

I've also found it curious how some on this board chatise others for "anti post op" preferences. No one is passing judgment on any particular girl's decision. It's her right, and all the power to freedom of preference.

But many don't view this forum as the TS equivalent of Match.com or the Dr. Phil Show. Hello...? The name of this site is HungAngels.

I suspect many men, like me, have met TS girls and appreciate the opportunity. We simply enjoy the site as a nice diversion- fantasy stuff. That's a preference that should also be respected.

[peggygee]

I notice how we jump on some guys who are anti postop. I do it myself. We call them dick crazy and say that they don’t give a shit about the girl and only want the dick. I have seen us team up on them and throw verbal blows to guys for stating how they feel a loss or sadness from a girl choosing to get SRS.

Lets face facts, this discussion here os based in the realm or porn. In this realm the people looking at the pictures for the most part are more concerned with how turned on the girl in the picture makes them. These guys are not here to give a damn about the actresses or models beyond that.

Most of these guys have never even meet a TS. The ones that have in most cases have not had any interaction beyond plopping down some cash for a few minutes of cheap unconnected meaningless sex with and escort. These same guys probably wouldn’t speak to these girls in public. I would say that very few guys in this forum have actually had a relationship with a TS that was not sexual, yeah I mean a real actual friend.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying that guys that deal with the girls are bad uncaring people. But in a porn based world, you gotta expect that a great deal of these guys aren’t going to be happy when the object of their desire decides to remove the thing that makes them most attractive to them.

If you are only attracted to women with long hair and your wife decides to get a buzz cut, or if you like heavy women and you favorite fuck buddy loses a lot of weight it will change things on some level for how you see them. In an unconnected world like porn it is even more the case and even more when you look at what some deem one of the fetish wings of porn. Most of us here don’t know shit about these girls except how they look unclothed,most of us really don't want to know anything beyond that.

That is no slight on these women as transwomen or as women at all. It is just a part of being in the business. It is a part of you being the sex symbols that you are for so many guys here.

I for one think guys would be surprised to see how special these girls are beyond this porn view, beyond how big their dicks are and beyond how hard they make your dick. I personally find many Ts women to be unique and special rather they have a half inch, 19 inches or have had SRS. But I don’t think because I have this so-called enlightened view that makes me better than the guy who just wants to look at a hot cock and jack off. After all this is a porn site.

The bad thing is that the best place for guys who really like the girls to discuss that like is in such a sex first forum. It then becomes a batle btween the guys here just for jackoff material and those more into the girls.

la2bkk Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 12:48 am Post subject: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I've also found it curious how some on this board chatise others for "anti post op" preferences. No one is passing judgment on any particular girl's decision. It's her right, and all the power to freedom of preference.

But many don't view this forum as the TS equivalent of Match.com or the Dr. Phil Show. Hello...? The name of this site is HungAngels.

I suspect many men, like me, have met TS girls and appreciate the opportunity. We simply enjoy the site as a nice diversion- fantasy stuff. That's a preference that should also be respected




I am a post op transwoman, but that's not the reason I come down on anti post op people, it is because they want to condemn or chastise a woman for the choices, she makes with her body.

By NO stretch of the imagination do I feel that the vast majority of transwoman want, NOR should have GRS. For the majority of them it is not appropriate or desired.

However, as you have clearly stated to you these women are walking, talking penises, something to fulfill your fantasies and desires.

And if there are transwomen that feel comfortable doing that, then that too is their prerogative, for again they have final say so over their bodies and decsisions.

To you they are penis receptacles, or sexual objects. To me, theyt are my Sisters and in many instances my friends.

Now, I don't know about you, but where I am from (and it's not the land where we kick terrorists ass)we don't allow folks we care about to get hurt, we don't roll like that.

Whether a women is an escort, or in the sex industry, she is still a human being and worthy of respect.

Gentleman, again this is not at all about sex changes, but rather about common courtesy, respect, and a modicum of decency.

[RangeHova]

I have been guilty of passing that judgement until there were times when some girl that I liked in that porn kind of way decided to go all the way.

On a personal level, I can be happy for a girl accomplishing such a major task in her life in the persuit of feeling like a whole human being.

I can't deny that if you are looking at a strictly sexual level, which is all we get from 99% of the girls, that these girls are unique because they have something that most women do not have. Being around transwomen since high school, it has become not that big of a deal for me. But I'll be damn if there are not some that either have particularly beautiul dicks, do special things with them or just attract you in some unique way.

I am happy for a girl like Danielle Fix, really I am. But I would be lying if I said that there was not a part of me that will miss what she brings to video and pictures with her very unique connection to her very pretty penis. She is so much more than that, I'm sure. It shines through in her videos. But had not she had a penis many of us may not have ever seen that in her.

I'm sure she will be no less sexy, she'll probably be sexier. I have seen that when girls get more happy and more complete that tends to happen. But seeing how i have never seen any girls do what she does with what she has. There is a sense of selfish loss on my part.

Sorry of I am politicaly incorrect, but I am just being honest. I don't think too many of us don't, on some level, love dick on our women.

[truplaya4real]

What's bizarre to me is the fact that the more feminine tgirls do not want to go post-op, while the older "tgirls"(if that's what you want to call them) who started transitioning when they were 49 or 50 insist on going post-op even though they still look like men.

[RangeHova]

Whetther a women is an escort, or in the sex industry, she is still a human being and worth of respect.

Gentleman, again this is not at all about sex changes, but rather about common courtesy and respect.

I feel what you are saying but I have seen us come down on a guy just for saying how he feels, even when they don't chastise a girl for her decision. I will admit to being perturbed by the guys that are dick, dick, dick, and more dick.

Still, there is just a part of me that feels like you can only expect a certain level of respect when you are talking about sex objects in the realm of porn.

Porn for the most part is fantasy and men's fantasies about women aren't always the most respectful. It is like the things that men express to thier close male friends about women cmpared to what they say in public. The things in our heads can be even deeper than what we tell our boys.

Sometimes respect becomes holding in what you really feel as to not hurt the feelings of others.

[peggygee]

I have been guilty of passing that judgement until there were times when some girl that I liked in that porn kind of way decided to go all the way.

On a personal level, I can be happy for a girl accomplishing such a major task in her life in the persuit of feeling like a whole human being.

I can't deny that if you are looking at a strictly sexual level, which is all we get from 99% of the girls, that these girls are unique because they have something that most women do not have. Being around transwomen since high school, it has become not that big of a deal for me. But I'll be damn if there are not some that either have particularly beautiul dicks, do special things with them or just attract you in some unique way.

I am happy for a girl like Danielle Fix, really I am. But I would be lying if I said that there was not a part of me that will miss what she brings to video and pictures with her very unique connection to her very pretty penis. She is so much more than that, I'm sure. It shines through in her videos. But had not she had a penis many of us may not have ever seen that in her.

I'm sure she will be no less sexy, she'll probably be sexier. I have seen that when girls get more happy and more complete that tends to happen. But seeing how i have never seen any girls do what she does with what she has. There is a sense of selfish loss on my part.

Sorry of I am politicaly incorrect, but I am just being honest. I don't think too many of us don't, on some level, love dick on our women.

I truly appreciate your honesty, and from your other posts on the post op topic, I do have a sense of where you are coming from. Further, I realize that at the core for you this may not be coming from a mean spirited place.

But what I would strongly suggest to the vast populace of men on this forum, is that they totally remove the word LOVE from any of their further posts in regards to their favorite person.

For clearly they only LUST for them, and that's okay. But please don't go around professing your undying love and devotion to someone for whom your only true attraction is their T & C & A, and rarely V.

Stop lying to yourselves, and to these women.

[AllanahStarrNYC]

This topic reminds me of od conversation I had here in Barcelona with the owner of a large ts forum in Spain. We were talking how here in Spain, and in many 'Latin' countries is is common to reffer to transsexuals as 'travestis' which means literally transvestite. He is aware that to an American TS that would be an insult, but I know that here in Spain, Brasil, France, Columbia, etc- 'travesti' is used to reffer to a pre-op, and transsexual reffers to a post op. Obviously I can't be offended by this because it is cultural- but not to stray to far from the topic- we were doign an interview and he asked me about SRS and I gave him my opinion. Then he shocked me with something I have heard before from many preo-op lovers and he said 'my recommendation is don't do it'. Not that I had asked, and trust me this is a very nice guy, but if I had a $100 for everytime I heard a guy tell me 'never get it cut off', or 'you are never going to do that are you?', well you get the picture.

I think it is quite comical to give someone advice- especially unsolicited advice- about having SRS, from someone who has no qualifications on SRS except for the fact that one is attracted to pre ops and views post ops as sexualy undesireable.

I think this atitude is prevalent in the ts admirers community. And maybe one day the fetishist will realize that the descion to have SRS, to get implants, or a nose job- has little to do with what they like sexually- and are all highly personal decisions that should only really involve the patient, surgeon, and therapist; to decide there of. I have long learned to not asked for others opinions on surgical procedures because I will end up doing what I want to do initially anyway.

Funny thing is I don't tell the guys with small dicks to get penile implants or the one's who are bald to get hair transplants or the fat ones to get liposuction. Funny thing is many men have the need to tell me not to get SRS.Just as I stay out of others personal surgical or non surgical choices (unless asked) of others, then they should stay out of mine and other ts girls-especially when it comes to SRS.

[oneandonly]

what do you expect on "hung angels" big dick is what the guys on this board like.
of course they dont like post ops

and

after seeing pics of post-op, i would say dont do it. To me the results, even in the best cases, it doesn't look quite right.

but if you want to get it go for it.
that is also one of the problems i have with this board/ transensexual in the adult industry is that they have penises. form my understanding most ts dont like the fact that they have a penis.

i am just all-a-round confused with transsexuals.

[la2bkk]

This topic reminds me of od conversation I had here in Barcelona with the owner of a large ts forum in Spain. We were talking how here in Spain, and in many 'Latin' countries is is common to reffer to transsexuals as 'travestis' which means literally transvestite. He is aware that to an American TS that would be an insult, but I know that here in Spain, Brasil, France, Columbia, etc- 'travesti' is used to reffer to a pre-op, and transsexual reffers to a post op. Obviously I can't be offended by this because it is cultural- but not to stray to far from the topic- we were doign an interview and he asked me about SRS and I gave him my opinion. Then he shocked me with something I have heard before from many preo-op lovers and he said 'my recommendation is don't do it'. Not that I had asked, and trust me this is a very nice guy, but if I had a $100 for everytime I heard a guy tell me 'never get it cut off', or 'you are never going to do that are you?', well you get the picture.

I think it is quite comical to give someone advice- especially unsolicited advice- about having SRS, from someone who has no qualifications on SRS except for the fact that one is attracted to pre ops and views post ops as sexualy undesireable.

I think this atitude is prevalent in the ts admirers community. And maybe one day the fetishist will realize that the descion to have SRS, to get implants, or a nose job- has little to do with what they like sexually- and are all highly personal decisions that should only really involve the patient, surgeon, and therapist; to decide there of. I have long learned to not asked for others opinions on surgical procedures because I will end up doing what I want to do initially anyway.

Funny thing is I don't tell the guys with small dicks to get penile implants or the one's who are bald to get hair transplants or the fat ones to get liposuction. Funny thing is many men have the need to tell me not to get SRS.Just as I stay out of others personal surgical or non surgical choices (unless asked) of others, then they should stay out of mine and other ts girls-especially when it comes to SRS.

I'm a pre-op fan. That's no doubt the majority around here. Nonetheless, anyone who passes judgment against a girl's decision to go forward with surgery isn't worth taking seriously. Same re those customers/fans who advise you against it ... obviously irrelevant.

Personally, I may never have the pleasure of meeting you. You might be the sweetest. most charming woman I've ever met. But, like most, the best I'll get is fantasy stuff. That fantasy is premised upon the fact that you have a lovely body, great creativity in your shoots and a cock.

Is it possible that most who offer their opinions against your surgery are simply showing their admiration for you now (albeit inartfully)?

[whatsupwithat]

Whether a women is an escort, or in the sex industry, she is still a human being and worthy of respect.

This is the most important point and underlies all of the other issues.

[Coroner]

yeah but how many people (mostly guys) are out there who share the same view?

I would support any girl here in the SRS-case. although I´m a fan of pre-op girls, so that´s the reason why i´m here, this website is called hung angels, i wouldn´t have a problem with the girl that wants to undergo SRS and she would have my totally support. she is an individual and she makes her on decisions and nobody has the right to piss on them just because their own dreams. it´s not a toy or holidays they have always dreamt of, it´s a very important part of their identity and this is no fun.

sure I´m sexually sad if my favourite girls undergo the SRS but i don´t think with my balls, so the sadness dissapears when i know that they are happy with themselves.

[Quickman]

Men and women voice their displeasure all the time whenever say, their favorite celebrity gets married or somehow becomes unavailable. Obviously, in most cases it's not because their selfish people or wish the famous person unhappiness.

Perhaps the line gets crossed in this forum by people who go to the point of expressing their distain for SRS in general.

It's kinda like knocking the institution marriage just because Brad P. got Angelina.

People would be correct, (politically or not) to engage you in such a case.

So I suppose the bottom line IMHO, is

1) It's okay to own up your feelings whatever they might be.
But...
2) Respect the rights of others to make their own choices, particularly when it comes to choices that affect their own bodies or well-being.

[RangeHova]

Whether a women is an escort, or in the sex industry, she is still a human being and worthy of respect.

This is the most important point and underlies all of the other issues.

But how much real respect can you expect on a porn board? How much respect can you expect from guys who only come here for jackoff material?

Sure, these girls are humans but if you really are honest about the mentality that men have towards most women in porn they don't see then in the same vein as the woman in the mall, the woman walking donw the street or the woman at work.

Porn is almost an escapism for men. Hell some of the shit that might turn me on in a porno is shit that would turn me off in real life. When I was a kid I used to be a huge tittie fan, I mean the ridiculously overly huge implants. It was my fetish. I wanted to fuck girls like that but did I want one on my arm at a party, taking her home to mom, or sitting beside me in a church pew? No. I wasn't viewing them as anything other than visual stimulation. I think if we think act like that is not what porn models mean to most porn watchers then we are lying to ourselves.

[RangeHova]

I truly appreciate your honesty, and from your other posts on the post op topic, I do have a sense of where you are coming from. Further, I realize that at the core for you this may not be coming from a mean spirited place.



I'm glad that you see where I'm coming from. Actually this is more of an act of me checking myself. I too have been the person more likely to come down on the anti postop posters. I have engaged in the PC actions that I speak of. I'm just realizing that I can't fully expect guys that haven't had real life non sexual experiences with transwomen to not see beyond what gets them off.

[peggygee]

I truly appreciate your honesty, and from your other posts on the post op topic, I do have a sense of where you are coming from. Further, I realize that at the core for you this may not be coming from a mean spirited place.



I'm glad that you see where I'm coming from. Actually this is more of an act of me checking myself. I too have been the person more likely to come down on the anti postop posters. I have engaged in the PC actions that I speak of. I'm just realizing that I can't fully expect guys that haven't had real life non sexual experiences with transwomen to not see beyond what gets them off.

Though I am slighly confused, are you attempting
to help these guys see the error of their ways.

Or are you being a devils advocate.

For once again, I will say if a guy doesn't have a vested
interest in the transcommunity, he shouldn't have a say so.
And even then it is a fairly limited say so.

If he is just some guy looking at dick picks, he doesn't get a vote.

Perhaps the guy who has had a relationship with a transwoman,
would know wherof he speaks.

But the guy who doesn't walk the walk, doesn't get to talk the talk.

Going to a provider once a month, or wanking off to internet
porn doesn't give you much say so other than to say that's
not the type of porn you like or don't like.

Without being redundant most of the guys here don't have a clue
as to what's going on with a Tgirl from the waist up :(

[gaiseric]

Thought I better add a couple of comments to this thread as I have had a go at people over their attitudes to post-op girls. For myself, I have been with both pre-op and post-op girls and I'm happy to be with both. My lady is a pre-op TS but if she decided to go post op tomorrow I would still love her as she would be the same person inside.

I appreciate that people have different likes and dislikes but on a forum like this, no-one is being forced to go onto a thread and have a go at someone because they don't like the body, breasts, penis or lack of etc.

The only times I have had a go at anyone on this topic are when someone complains that the girl is being 'selfish' by having the op or when someone goes onto a post-op thread and posts a one word comment such as 'yuck'. Again, if you don't like the subject matter, you don't have to look at it.

And, please, don't come back at me with the comment that this is an open forum and people can say what they like. That is purely a cop out for those amongst us who merely want to be rude and offensive.

[AllanahStarrNYC]

What I do not particulary understand- is how so many men on thos board swear up and down that they like gg's as well- yet so many fiend for the largest dick around, even on a cd with a wig and a padded bra on (I am not pasing judgement, just statign facts)- yet when a girl undergoes SRS it's almost like she commited some unforgiveable crime to somw? I wish someone would help me understand this better because quite frankly that reasoning is a bit flawed. i think the truth of the matter is, is that there are alot of men on this board whose preffrence overall is pre-op transsexuals but they use the , 'i like women too', as some sort of gaurd when in fact they might find women sexually attractive-but generally seek pre-op girls.

[whatsupwithat]

What I do not particulary understand- is how so many men on thos board swear up and down that they like gg's as well- yet so many fiend for the largest dick around, even on a cd with a wig and a padded bra on (I am not pasing judgement, just statign facts)- yet when a girl undergoes SRS it's almost like she commited some unforgiveable crime to somw? I wish someone would help me understand this better because quite frankly that reasoning is a bit flawed. i think the truth of the matter is, is that there are alot of men on this board whose preffrence overall is pre-op transsexuals but they use the , 'i like women too', as some sort of gaurd when in fact they might find women sexually attractive-but generally seek pre-op girls.

Well, my ex ( a pre-op ts) used to say that if you put a skirt on a telephone pole, guys would be all over it.

But, seriously, you just opened up a whole new can of worms there, Allanah. I've talked about this a lot on this board and off this board...the confusion, the shame, the secrecy of men who are attracted to pre-op girls.

Do you know that there's no term for guys who like pre-op transsexuals? You've got a whole new gender and no societal recognition for the men and women that are attracted to that gender. Oh, there's "admirers" and "tranny chasers" and "the men who like them"...all degrading terms. There's not one specific positive term or name for men like myself.

Did you know there's no support group for guys like myself, no place to go and rap with other guys about the issues and problems and emotions and prejudice we face? Nada. Nothing. I don't mean to make this into a "us poor men" rant. Because, face it, the majority of the guys on here are living double lives...living in shame of their desires and wants. I liken where we are today to what it must have been like to be gay in the 50's. The sham marriages, the secret meeting places...the ts scene reeks of it. And it does nothing but hurt us all.

I'm rambling because there's just so much to say and do. As a community, we're looking at, standing at a major turning point. We can't rely on the gay or straight communities to come to our rescue. We have be out loud and proud of who we are. We have to own who we are. WE have to support and look out for each other. We have to work through all of these issues ourselves.

In the end, it's up to us to define who we are. No one else will do it for us.

[peggygee]

la2bkk][/b]
The name of this site is HungAngels.

RangeHova
Junior Poster


Joined: 14 Aug 2004
Posts: 349


Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 1:21 am Post subject:

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I can't deny that if you are looking at a strictly sexual level, which is all we get from 99% of the girls, that these girls are unique because they have something that most women do not have.

But I'll be damn if there are not some that either have particularly beautiul dicks, do special things with them or just attract you in some unique way.

I am happy for a girl like Danielle Fix, really I am. But I would be lying if I said that there was not a part of me that will miss what she brings to video and pictures with her very unique connection to her very pretty penis.

She is so much more than that, I'm sure. It shines through in her videos. But had not she had a penis many of us may not have ever seen that in her.

Sorry of I am politicaly incorrect, but I am just being honest. I don't think too many of us don't, on some level, love dick on our women.


AllanahStarrNYC
A Hot HungAngel


Joined: 30 Jun 2003
Posts: 2327
Location: Manhattan

Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 4:08 pm Post subject:

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What I do not particulary understand- is how so many men on thos board swear up and down that they like gg's as well- yet so many fiend for the largest dick around, even on a cd with a wig and a padded bra on (I am not pasing judgement, just statign facts)- yet when a girl undergoes SRS it's almost like she commited some unforgiveable crime to somw? I wish someone would help me understand this better because quite frankly that reasoning is a bit flawed. i think the truth of the matter is, is that there are alot of men on this board whose preffrence overall is pre-op transsexuals but they use the , 'i like women too', as some sort of gaurd when in fact they might find women sexually attractive-but generally seek pre-op girls.





I don't know, I guess I need to get that 'Hooked On
Phonics' DVD you see on TV, cause I guess my reading
comprehension skills ain't what I thought they were.

I of course saw the large 48 font that said
'The Hung Angels Board'. But my eyes tended
to more often see the smaller size 14 font
HungAngels - Guide to Shemales
and Transsexuals Forum Index -> General Discussion.

To me that meant that the board was geared to
tne entire range of tranwomen, non op, pre op,
post op. Thus I erroneously thought that the men
were interested in Tgirls in general.

However on more than one occasion, and in this
thread in particular it has been driven home to me,
that most guys want COCK, and that's cool. :shrug

Thus I propose, a change in the name of the board.
And maybe the cock lovers could wear these
tshirts, so that we could differentiate them from
the guys who like all women, irregardless of
what's between their legs.
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/womanhater.jpg

Perhaps this will prevent other women or guys
that 'truly ' like women from being confused.


Oh, and you may want to go with the matching shorts,
you know in case you are in the locker room, on the
way to the shower.
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/womanhater4x3.jpg

But do be careful in there, if you see a cock, cause I
would hate like heck for you to have to post another
Am I Gay, If, thread? :roll:

And by all means if the soap drops, leave it on the floor,
as a matter of fact get some soap on a rope. That is unless
you really like ..... :twisted:

[Ecstatic]

What I do not particulary understand- is how so many men on thos board swear up and down that they like gg's as well- yet so many fiend for the largest dick around, even on a cd with a wig and a padded bra on (I am not pasing judgement, just statign facts)- yet when a girl undergoes SRS it's almost like she commited some unforgiveable crime to somw? I wish someone would help me understand this better because quite frankly that reasoning is a bit flawed. i think the truth of the matter is, is that there are alot of men on this board whose preffrence overall is pre-op transsexuals but they use the , 'i like women too', as some sort of gaurd when in fact they might find women sexually attractive-but generally seek pre-op girls.
True, true, Allanah. Heaven knows I find women sexually attractive, but I definitely seek pre-op girls first and foremost. However, I don't use "I like women too" as a guard; while my preference and primary attraction is to a pre-op transwoman, it is by no means exclusive. Over the past couple of months, in fact, my sexual encounters have been with a wonderful post-op transwoman. I love being with her. But I still "generally seek pre-op girls." I'm not hetero, or bi, I'm pansexual with a preference for pre-op girls: and I've never seen a term for that!

Peggygee: LOL @ soap on a rope.....

[whatsupwithat]

I've never seen a term for that!

Exactly. We're all shades of the same color. But what color exactly are we? I think we, the men, need a name, an identifier that's positive, that identifies us to ourselves, to each other and to society at large. Something we can own and be proud of.

I mean, if we went with the way heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual and the like were set up in society and in people's minds and ideas of others...that would make us what? transsexual, as well, no?

[Ecstatic]

Exactly. We're all shades of the same color. But what color exactly are we? I think we, the men, need a name, an identifier that's positive, that identifies us to ourselves, to each other and to society at large. Something we can own and be proud of.

I mean, if we went with the way heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual and the like were set up in society and in people's minds and ideas of others...that would make us what? transsexual, as well, no?
I had this discussion with the guy who runs URNA, where the term of choice is "tranny chaser," which he prefers and uses. Thing is, in his context, the term works, but unfortunately, in the wider context (and particularly amongst TS themselves), the term is derogatory. "Tranny admirer" is not a whole lot better: yes, it clears up the "chasing" image of pathetically persuing any "telephone pole in a skirt" (lol at that image), but frankly I don't admire anyone purely for what category they fall into.
"Respect" is closer than "admiration" but still not quite on.

It's not in wide circulation, but how about transphile? TSRoadMap (http://www.tsroadmap.com/start/tgterms.html) gives the following definition: "transphile or transophile: someone attracted to transgendered women."

[RangeHova]

Though I am slighly confused, are you attempting
to help these guys see the error of their ways.

Or are you being a devils advocate.

For once again, I will say if a guy doesn't have a vested
interest in the transcommunity, he shouldn't have a say so.
And even then it is a fairly limited say so.

If he is just some guy looking at dick picks, he doesn't get a vote.

Perhaps the guy who has had a relationship with a transwoman,
would know wherof he speaks.

It is not about help these guys but more me checking my own believes about these guys. Seeing how I have had numerous real relationships, friendships and just real world interactions with such women, in some ways I felt a little more enlightened and almost had an arrogence about the vested interest that I have.

I just don't think we can take talk, opinions, ideas, objections, etc. given on a porn based messgae board all that serious. Vested interest, more enlightened, or a woman living her life as she sees foot shouldn't IMO expect a place where most people are only here to get a picture or two to jack off with to really give a real damn about the things that we care about.

I blame a lot of this on the fact that there are so few places where those with interest beyond the sexual and the kink factor can discuss and interact with one another. The moment that you try to start such a place it becomes over run with those without vested inetrest looking for cheap hookups and jack off inspirations.

I doubt that so many girls would post and lurk here if there were other less sexually based options.

I think it is wrong for us to beat up on guys that are lookin for chicks with dicks on a board called Hung Angels. It is like not understanding why the guys at the strip club don't want for thier stripper to do anything but strip for him.

[whatsupwithat]

Exactly. We're all shades of the same color. But what color exactly are we? I think we, the men, need a name, an identifier that's positive, that identifies us to ourselves, to each other and to society at large. Something we can own and be proud of.

I mean, if we went with the way heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual and the like were set up in society and in people's minds and ideas of others...that would make us what? transsexual, as well, no?
I had this discussion with the guy who runs URNA, where the term of choice is "tranny chaser," which he prefers and uses. Thing is, in his context, the term works, but unfortunately, in the wider context (and particularly amongst TS themselves), the term is derogatory. "Tranny admirer" is not a whole lot better: yes, it clears up the "chasing" image of pathetically persuing any "telephone pole in a skirt" (lol at that image), but frankly I don't admire anyone purely for what category they fall into.
"Respect" is closer than "admiration" but still not quite on.

It's not in wide circulation, but how about transphile? TSRoadMap (http://www.tsroadmap.com/start/tgterms.html) gives the following definition: "transphile or transophile: someone attracted to transgendered women."

transphile...it sounds like an obsession as opposed to an actual desire for a respectful and mutually rewarding relationship, no?

[RangeHova]

accidentally double posted

[whatsupwithat]

Unisex

I so love your quote.

[sucka4chix]

But my eyes tended
to more often see the smaller size 14 font
HungAngels - Guide to Shemales
and Transsexuals Forum Index -> General Discussion.
It's smaller for a reason.Why would you not expect guys on the HUNG ANGELS BOARD not to like cock?
I never thought on THE HUNG ANGELS BOARD you'd get grief for liking
HUNG ANGELS...makes no sense!


However on more than one occasion, and in this
thread in particular it has been driven home to me,
that most guys want COCK, and that's cool. Shrug
I'm sorry, it just doesn't seem cool.


But how much real respect can you expect on a porn board?
Exactly.

I am a post op transwoman, but that's not the reason I come down on anti post op people, it is because they want to condemn or chastise a woman for the choices, she makes with her body.

I have not read every post, but I haven't seen alot of examples of condemnation of a WOMAN for the choices she makes. I don't remember ANY post where someone disapproved of the WOMAN, because she is post-op. But I have seen several post where people are not fond of surgically made vagina-- this has nothing to to with the person! I've also seen several posts where a guy is condemned for not being fond of said vagina.


For once again, I will say if a guy doesn't have a vested
interest in the transcommunity, he shouldn't have a say so.
And even then it is a fairly limited say so.

If he is just some guy looking at dick picks, he doesn't get a vote. Going to a provider once a month, or wanking off to internet
porn doesn't give you much say so other than to say that's
not the type of porn you like or don't like.

I think that's all most people are saying. No one's opinion here is a vote on what someone should do with their body. There shouldn't be a pre-requisite for expressing your OPINION on this forum, people just need to realize someone's opinion is not a personal attack.

If some are hating on the person, let me differentiate myself from them.
I personally like pre-op transsexuals. I come to this forum to keep up with what's going in this community and to find events to meet them. I am not "anti post-op" (how silly), I just don't find man made pussy attractive but has no effect on how I feel about a person. I'm not fond of breast implants or tattoos either, I guess I'm just an awful person who should be condemned!

[sucka4chix]

Thus I propose, a change in the name of the board.
And maybe the cock lovers could wear these
tshirts, so that we could differentiate them from
the guys who like all women, irregardless of
what's between their legs.


Perhaps this will prevent other women or guys
that 'truly ' like women from being confused.


Oh, and you may want to go with the matching shorts,
you know in case you are in the locker room, on the
way to the shower.


But do be careful in there, if you see a cock, cause I
would hate like heck for you to have to post another
Am I Gay, If, thread? Rolling Eyes

Sigh

[sucka4chix]

What I do not particulary understand- is how so many men on thos board swear up and down that they like gg's as well- yet so many fiend for the largest dick around, even on a cd with a wig and a padded bra on (I am not pasing judgement, just statign facts)- yet when a girl undergoes SRS it's almost like she commited some unforgiveable crime to somw? I wish someone would help me understand this better because quite frankly that reasoning is a bit flawed. i think the truth of the matter is, is that there are alot of men on this board whose preffrence overall is pre-op transsexuals but they use the , 'i like women too', as some sort of gaurd when in fact they might find women sexually attractive-but generally seek pre-op girls.

" If the penis wasn't so damn well engineered" (that's a quote from girlfriends).
I used to think that pussy was the most powerful thing on the planet, but I've recently changed my mind. If you like cock, it has a more inexplicable hypnotizing effect. I fiend for it more than I ever did pussy. And that's the perfect word, fiend. I can't really explain it, but cock, being external as opposed to pussy being mostly internal, is alot more to look at, and men are sexually visual. It creates a bulge which peaks interest, it grows, it pulsates,it bounces, it spews. It's a infinite array of visual entertainment, surpassing even breasts!
Can't speak for all, but I do like GGs, I love the essence of a woman. But sexually it's just a fact that a pre-op TS has more to offer-- you can do everything you can with a GG,plus!
As a post-op, the "plus" is gone. She has not committed a crime--- you guys are getting it twisted, but she has dropped her sexual status to that of someone with a pussy, and if a guy wants pussy why not go for the natural version?
BTW, Allanah you know me but I guess I'll stay anonymous so you won't dislike me for my views on this
:?

[peggygee]

What I do not particulary understand- is how so many men on thos board swear up and down that they like gg's as well- yet so many fiend for the largest dick around, even on a cd with a wig and a padded bra on (I am not pasing judgement, just statign facts)- yet when a girl undergoes SRS it's almost like she commited some unforgiveable crime to somw? I wish someone would help me understand this better because quite frankly that reasoning is a bit flawed. i think the truth of the matter is, is that there are alot of men on this board whose preffrence overall is pre-op transsexuals but they use the , 'i like women too', as some sort of gaurd when in fact they might find women sexually attractive-but generally seek pre-op girls.

Peggy's response is in blue


" If the penis wasn't so damn well engineered" (that's a quote from girlfriends).
I used to think that pussy was the most powerful thing on the planet, but I've recently changed my mind. If you like cock, it has a more inexplicable hypnotizing effect. I fiend for it more than I ever did pussy. And that's the perfect word, fiend.

And that is my point sweety, you are strung out on the dick, for you it is a fetish, an addiction. I on the other hand am concerned about the welfare and well being of the entire woman, whether she is desirous of GRS or not.

Once again, I will state that for the record, that even though I am a post operative transwoman, I AM NOT trying to suggest that every transwoman should go out and have GRS.

It would not be appropriate in most cases, and further it is not something that all transwomen want.



As a post-op, the "plus" is gone. She has not committed a crime--- you guys are getting it twisted, but she has dropped her sexual status to that of someone with a pussy, and if a guy wants pussy why not go for the natural version?

Gee, I didn't realize I was getting a demotion on the evolutionary food chain, or in terms of sexual desirability by virtue of having GRS.

And pray tell, you wouldn't be implying that a neo-vagina is inferior to a natal vagina :roll:

BTW, Allanah you know me but I guess I'll stay anonymous so you won't dislike me for my views on this

Oh, and I love your courage to stand by your convictions. No picture, and an anonymous post by someone with a pseudonym. :roll:

When the next girl has an orchiectomy or GRS done I will make sure they Fedex you 'a set'. :twisted:

[sucka4chix]

Gee, I didn't realize I was getting a demotion on the evolutionary food chain, or in terms of sexual desirability by virtue of having GRS.
I knew that was coming. You have lessened your sexual versatility below that of a GG, when as a pre-op it is above. You have lessened your sexual desirability as far as most men are concerned.That's not your problem, it's ours. Don't get so bent.

And pray tell, you wouldn't be implying that a neo-vagina is inferior to a natal vagina
I am implying that anything made by man made to mimic something that occurs in nature is inferior.

When the next girl has an orchiectomy or GRS done I will make sure they Fedex you 'a set'.
See, why is that necessary. I stumbled across a thread about armpit hair where one of your "sistas" posted a pic of Julia Roberts unshaven with a line of "yuk".
Does she get ostracized,labeled,hung in effigy? Does she now hate Julia Roberts and feel she commited a crime not shaving?Is there a 6 page thread about how girls should be allowed not to shave there own bodies?

[sucka4chix]

Once again, I will state that for the record, that even though I am a post operative transwoman, I AM NOT trying to suggest that every transwoman should go out and have GRS.
No, but for the record, you are implying that unless a man is attracted to a post op transwoman, he is not a real man and he does not like real women , which also implies that a pre-op is not a real woman.
Out of respect I'll stop there.

[peggygee]

Gee, I didn't realize I was getting a demotion on the evolutionary food chain, or in terms of sexual desirability by virtue of having GRS.
I knew that was coming. You have lessened your sexual versatility below that of a GG, when as a pre-op it is above. You have lessened your sexual desirability as far as most men are concerned.That's not your problem, it's ours. Don't get so bent.

This time Peggy is red.[/color]

[color=Red]Our differences aside, I must admit, I enjoy our verbal jousting. :)

As a pre op, and as a post op, the men that I have been in relationships with have not been attracted to me for my penis. For the record, I have never been a top, or 'versatile'.

Actually, for most part in the 'real world', I am not discriminated against because of my post op status. The men whom I let into my life tend to like me for me, and my transgender status doesn't play a large role in my relationships.

For me personally I would not be interested in a man who has a predilection or liking for 'cock' as a potential mate. I guess on that we are kindred spirits, for you seem not to be a fan of vaginas. And that doesn't make either of us a bad person it's just what we like.



And pray tell, you wouldn't be implying that a neo-vagina is inferior to a natal vagina
I am implying that anything made by man made to mimic something that occurs in nature is inferior.

I would beg to differ with you, as there are many things that are man made that are vastly superior, however again as to vaginas, it's all subjective. :shrug


When the next girl has an orchiectomy or GRS done I will make sure they Fedex you 'a set'.
See, why is that necessary. I stumbled across a thread about armpit hair where one of your "sistas" posted a pic of Julia Roberts unshaven with a line of "yuk".
Does she get ostracized,labeled,hung in effigy? Does she now hate Julia Roberts and feel she commited a crime not shaving?Is there a 6 page thread about how girls should be allowed not to shave there own bodies?

I know, that was a cheap shot, I try not to do argumentum ad hominem, but rather speak to the facts of the matter.

And the facts in this matter aren't about GRS, as I have stated ad nauseum, but rather the misinformed, and slanderous statements, made by many of the males of this board.

If they were knowledgeable about issues surrounding transsexualism, if they had a concern for transwoman other than of a sexual nature, then we most likely wouldn't be having this discussion.

[peggygee]

Once again, I will state that for the record, that even though I am a post operative transwoman, I AM NOT trying to suggest that every transwoman should go out and have GRS.
No, but for the record, you are implying that unless a man is attracted to a post op transwoman, he is not a real man and he does not like real women , which also implies that a pre-op is not a real woman.
Out of respect I'll stop there.

That's some fuzzy logic you have there my friend. :?

You may have inferred that, however that was not my intended implication.

[sucka4chix]

My logic is very clear if you could allow yourself to be objective maybe once. You're a chauvinist, as is 99.9% of the population: you are so fiercely proud of your group that you feel anyone outside that group is inferior and should be derided.
And you know I never said anything about not liking vaginas, just orifices made by some doctor.
Finally, to say that man can make anything better than it occurs in nature is elevating man to god status, but I see you've already done that.
But I appreciate your views and your willingness to share them.