Love and Lust

[Vicki Richter]

So many of you want to suck my shecock and swallow everything that comes out of me... over and over every day of you lives. Don't you hate wishing and wanting? You want that feeling. You want to feel someone beautiful loves you.

Instead all of you are posting spam in here about meaningless "cum shots" or "big shemale cocks"... I mean what the fuck is that. You will just be fucking wanting it a year from now... 5 years from now... the rest of your lives.

I mean really why don't you do something about it? This forum has become pic collectors heaven and the good guys who started this site have left. Megabody almost never posts. This isn't what it was. You guys can post pictures and fantasize, but there are real TS girls who want what you want. Most of you are chicken shit and scared to take what is there. Fuck those of you who fantasize about us but wouldn't risk loving us. Fuck the girls who are so jaded they won't give you a chance.

I want a love story. I want to hear a TS and a guy made it and it was real. I need that. I want to know that what my parents and grandparents can happen to me and my friends. You might want to jack off wishing her cock was deep inside you, but until you really say it and mean it, and

Vicki

[hondarobot]

So many of you want to suck my shecock and swallow everything that comes out of me... over and over every day of you lives. Don't you hate wishing and wanting? You want that feeling. You want to feel someone beautiful loves you.

Instead all of you are posting spam in here about meaningless "cum shots" or "big shemale cocks"... I mean what the fuck is that. You will just be fucking wanting it a year from now... 5 years from now... the rest of your lives.

I mean really why don't you do something about it? This forum has become pic collectors heaven and the good guys who started this site have left. Megabody almost never posts. This isn't what it was. You guys can post pictures and fantasize, but there are real TS girls who want what you want. Most of you are chicken shit and scared to take what is there. Fuck those of you who fantasize about us but wouldn't risk loving us. Fuck the girls who are so jaded they won't give you a chance.

I want a love story. I want to hear a TS and a guy made it and it was real. I need that. I want to know that what my parents and grandparents can happen to me and my friends. You might want to jack off wishing her cock was deep inside you, but until you really say it and mean it, and

Vicki

Knock it off. I'm going to sweep you off your feet and marry you some day. You know I'm not lying. . . remember being beside the pool? You think I came all the way down to the desert because I was lying to you?

I will ask you to marry me someday. I will be able to provide for you. I'm more capable of doing something great then anyone else I know.

You are the only girl I have ever wanted to spend my life with, it's up to you if you say yes or no. I do need to do some work yet.

You are the only girl I would ever want to be with.

That's the truth and all I got, put out there once again, and you know it.

[hollysweet]

i feel you vickie i uderstand where your coming from but the sad truth is it donest happen to many of us when we do find it love that is one of us fuckes it up mostely its the guys fault but im sure there are cases of the girl but i dont know ive learned to not look for it any more to just waite live your life and it will happen sometime when your not even thinking about it someone great someone wonderful will walk right in toyour life and youll be happy untill then the sad thing is we have to deal with these losers who love us use us and leave us for the next wanna be best thing ....so many girls are jaded and bitchy these days only because they have given all they have all of there heart and got it broken by some asshole who doesnt care about the real you he only wants to make a buck of you . so many of us are looked at now adays not even as woman but as something shiny to put on the mantle lol or sell on ebay were not even looked at like a person but more of an object well thats a small piece of how i feel but trust me there is love out there we just havent found it yet....... i havent lost hope i hope you havent...
xoxoxo
Holly Sweet

I think the board is fine BUT I will say that the recent posts "lovefuck me with you lovecock" and "I would love to suck the semen out of your jewcock" have taken this board right in line with comedycentral.com. I've only had what I consider to be serious relationships with 2 t's and I don't wish to repeat.

Not saying that all trans-women are unstable, needy, manipulative, back-biting scum... but the ones I dated have been.

I'll get bashed for saying this, but the stable, well-rounded t is a rarity, hard to find. Damn, that sounds kinda mean but maybe it's just the ones that I know.

[suckseed]

Knock it off. I'm going to sweep you off your feet and marry you some day. You know I'm not lying. . . remember being beside the pool? You think I came all the way down to the desert because I was lying to you?
I will ask you to marry me someday. I will be able to provide for you. I'm more capable of doing something great then anyone else I know.
You are the only girl I have ever wanted to spend my life with, it's up to you if you say yes or no. I do need to do some work yet.
You are the only girl I would ever want to be with.
That's the truth and all I got, put out there once again, and you know it.
I triple dog dare you to ask her whether there's a chance, and then accept the answer. If she says yes, I'll play the wedding for free. If she says no, then I get to fly down to Phoenix and take a crack. You'll pardon the expression.

[stillies77]

i feel you vickie i uderstand where your coming from but the sad truth is it donest happen to many of us when we do find it love that is one of us fuckes it up mostely its the guys fault but im sure there are cases of the girl but i dont know ive learned to not look for it any more to just waite live your life and it will happen sometime when your not even thinking about it someone great someone wonderful will walk right in toyour life and youll be happy untill then the sad thing is we have to deal with these losers who love us use us and leave us for the next wanna be best thing ....so many girls are jaded and bitchy these days only because they have given all they have all of there heart and got it broken by some asshole who doesnt care about the real you he only wants to make a buck of you . so many of us are looked at now adays not even as woman but as something shiny to put on the mantle lol or sell on ebay were not even looked at like a person but more of an object well thats a small piece of how i feel but trust me there is love out there we just havent found it yet....... i havent lost hope i hope you havent...
xoxoxo
Holly Sweet


I just want someone that i can get to know and someone that i can have sex with as a bonus as part of the relationship...knowing the person, loving the person, and doing anything you can possibly do for that person should surpass anything and everything else there is.

[hondarobot]

Knock it off. I'm going to sweep you off your feet and marry you some day. You know I'm not lying. . . remember being beside the pool? You think I came all the way down to the desert because I was lying to you?
I will ask you to marry me someday. I will be able to provide for you. I'm more capable of doing something great then anyone else I know.
You are the only girl I have ever wanted to spend my life with, it's up to you if you say yes or no. I do need to do some work yet.
You are the only girl I would ever want to be with.
That's the truth and all I got, put out there once again, and you know it.
I triple dog dare you to ask her whether there's a chance, and then accept the answer. If she says yes, I'll play the wedding for free. If she says no, then I get to fly down to Phoenix and take a crack. You'll pardon the expression.

Suckseed, stop posting in regards to this subject. You seem like a decent guy but really, this has nothing to do with you.

I'd also like to add the words of Shiek Allah Akbar Ayatollah Louie DePalma.

Lahtka: Lust?

Louie: Yes! "Lust is better than love!"

[stillies77]

i dont blame you at all i mean you girls have to be wary of who you let in and who you dont

[suckseed]

Knock it off. I'm going to sweep you off your feet and marry you some day. You know I'm not lying. . . remember being beside the pool? You think I came all the way down to the desert because I was lying to you?
I will ask you to marry me someday. I will be able to provide for you. I'm more capable of doing something great then anyone else I know.
You are the only girl I have ever wanted to spend my life with, it's up to you if you say yes or no. I do need to do some work yet.
You are the only girl I would ever want to be with.
That's the truth and all I got, put out there once again, and you know it.
I triple dog dare you to ask her whether there's a chance, and then accept the answer. If she says yes, I'll play the wedding for free. If she says no, then I get to fly down to Phoenix and take a crack. You'll pardon the expression.

Suckseed, stop posting in regards to this subject. You seem like a decent guy but really, this has nothing to do with you.
I am a decent guy, Honda. I'll bet you are too deep down. And to prove it, I'll say that if you two ever fell in love I'd be happy for you. Really. But that doesn't change the fact that you now have a quadruple triple dog dare to deal with!!! :o Those are serious, man. You don't turn your back on a thing like that!

[PlayfulJohn]

So many of you want to suck my shecock and swallow everything that comes out of me... over and over every day of you lives. Don't you hate wishing and wanting? You want that feeling. You want to feel someone beautiful loves you.

Instead all of you are posting spam in here about meaningless "cum shots" or "big shemale cocks"... I mean what the fuck is that. You will just be fucking wanting it a year from now... 5 years from now... the rest of your lives.

I mean really why don't you do something about it? This forum has become pic collectors heaven and the good guys who started this site have left. Megabody almost never posts. This isn't what it was. You guys can post pictures and fantasize, but there are real TS girls who want what you want. Most of you are chicken shit and scared to take what is there. Fuck those of you who fantasize about us but wouldn't risk loving us. Fuck the girls who are so jaded they won't give you a chance.

I want a love story. I want to hear a TS and a guy made it and it was real. I need that. I want to know that what my parents and grandparents can happen to me and my friends. You might want to jack off wishing her cock was deep inside you, but until you really say it and mean it, and

Vicki


Even if you do fall for a TS they just don't believe it. Is it really that rare for you Ladies?

[stillies77]

So many of you want to suck my shecock and swallow everything that comes out of me... over and over every day of you lives. Don't you hate wishing and wanting? You want that feeling. You want to feel someone beautiful loves you.

Instead all of you are posting spam in here about meaningless "cum shots" or "big shemale cocks"... I mean what the fuck is that. You will just be fucking wanting it a year from now... 5 years from now... the rest of your lives.

I mean really why don't you do something about it? This forum has become pic collectors heaven and the good guys who started this site have left. Megabody almost never posts. This isn't what it was. You guys can post pictures and fantasize, but there are real TS girls who want what you want. Most of you are chicken shit and scared to take what is there. Fuck those of you who fantasize about us but wouldn't risk loving us. Fuck the girls who are so jaded they won't give you a chance.

I want a love story. I want to hear a TS and a guy made it and it was real. I need that. I want to know that what my parents and grandparents can happen to me and my friends. You might want to jack off wishing her cock was deep inside you, but until you really say it and mean it, and

Vicki


Even if you do fall for a TS they just don't believe it. Is it really that rare for you Ladies?


they usually dont :(

[peggygee]

Vicki,

I agree wholeheartedly with you that this site has become more and more about pic collecting and guys identifying women that they will never meet.

As a woman, I now find it increasingly difficult to find the meaningful threads that once held my interest.

As to the dating aspects of this site, I believe that with few exceptions most men on this site are incapble of relationships.

There are the married looking for sex, the emotionally unavailible or unstable. There are the confused and the curious. There are the self loathing who have taken the 'am I gay joke' and made it a truism.

Verily, it has become the 'sausage factory' that some feared, and that many are happy about.

For the male who does not have the testicular or intestinal fortitude to deal with women, or posses the interpersonal skillls to be in a relationship with a women, this is an ideal place to be.

[stillies77]

most of the girls i met on this site are very very cool especially Holly Sweet and Wendy...they both actually talk to me on AIM and dont immediately block me or blow me off...however some (who i didnt meet on this site) like Olivia Love have been total bitches and just wanted money and nothing else...im sure she is looking for love but has been scorn too much in her life to let anyone in...in my opinion just talking to you girls makes my day i get starstruck every time i see a reply to something i wrote by one of you girls and i am proud to come here and talk to everyone on here...i love this site and the idea of someone falling in love with me on here is a dream i doubt will ever come true...but going down that list of my favorites and clicking on the site everyday puts a smile on my face because i know ill get to talk to someone who i have a crush on whenever i want to...falling in love with a tgirl is a dream most guys will never get the chance to accomplish...but a guy can dream cant he?

[PlayfulJohn]

Vicki,

I agree wholeheartedly with you that this site has become more and more about pic collecting and guys identifying women that they will never meet.

As a women, I now find it increasingly difficult to find the meaningful threads that once held my interest.

As to the dating aspects of this site, I believe that with few exceptions most men on this site are incapble of relationships.

There are the married looking for sex, the emotionally unavailible or unstable. There are the confused and the curious. There are the self loathing who have taken the 'am I gay joke' and made it a truism.

Verily, it has become the 'sausage factory' that some feared, and that many are happy about.

For the male who does not have the testicular or intestinal fortitude to deal with women, or posses the interpersonal skillls to be in a relationship with a women, this is an ideal place to be.

Whoa, low blow. What does dealing with women and seeking transexuals have to do with one another? It's not all about sex or lack there of. You have to be open to the possibilities before you can accept or believe the possibility exists. Very cynical eh?

[suckseed]

With regards to these guys that say they've given their hearts to multiple TS women and been rejected: are you just randomly falling in love with them, then finding out they are transwomen? Or are you seeking out transwomen to fall for? Are you falling for them because of the person inside, or the beautiful and sexy exterior? All women know better than to fall for that. If you're sincere, then I respect that...but there does exist the man who will lay claim to love so that he may come across as this romantic good guy (who gets what he wants). I 'fall' for virtually every good looking woman I see for ten seconds, not just lust but admiration and feelings of tenderness...but I don't kid myself that it's capital L Love. To make the statement that one has repeatedly fallen for multiple transexuals sounds suspicious to me.
And to you transwomen that hang on to your penis...do you want nomal man-woman love, but not before having a few more years of fun casual sex first? Or do you really hold out hope that you'll find a straight man that just happens to love you as you are? Careful now...that is a question...not a statement. I freely admit to knowing nothing about what it's like for you. One escort encounter does not a wise man make.

[hondarobot]

Knock it off. I'm going to sweep you off your feet and marry you some day. You know I'm not lying. . . remember being beside the pool? You think I came all the way down to the desert because I was lying to you?
I will ask you to marry me someday. I will be able to provide for you. I'm more capable of doing something great then anyone else I know.
You are the only girl I have ever wanted to spend my life with, it's up to you if you say yes or no. I do need to do some work yet.
You are the only girl I would ever want to be with.
That's the truth and all I got, put out there once again, and you know it.
I triple dog dare you to ask her whether there's a chance, and then accept the answer. If she says yes, I'll play the wedding for free. If she says no, then I get to fly down to Phoenix and take a crack. You'll pardon the expression.

Suckseed, stop posting in regards to this subject. You seem like a decent guy but really, this has nothing to do with you.
I am a decent guy, Honda. I'll bet you are too deep down. And to prove it, I'll say that if you two ever fell in love I'd be happy for you. Really. But that doesn't change the fact that you now have a quadruple triple dog dare to deal with!!! :o Those are serious, man. You don't turn your back on a thing like that!

Oh good grief. . . She's a world famous video star, I'm a schmuck working at a nightclub in Minneapolis.

She doesn't have to do anything. I do. That's all there is to it.

And no, you wont play at the wedding, we'll get Metallica.

Heh, that actually would be pretty cool.

[suckseed]

Hey, I'm a schmuck too! Isn't that what it's all about, finding common ground and settling our differences?
Seriously though...I'm in the same boat, if only to find a decent woman who'd want to take her chances with me. It's going to take a helluva lot of hard work and determination especially for a guy like me that's a dreamer and a world-class time waster. The only thing we can control is ourselves and what we do with our lives. The only problem I've ever had with you, Honda, is if you'd ever go postal on Vicki if you wouldn't take no for an answer. That may sound dramatic, but think about it...I don't know you...you could be harmless, or building up your armor plated bulldozer between posting. If we were actually friends, I'd say find out what your ideal woman requires of her man. Aspire to be that man. Become that man. And know that if she still wants something you aren't (who knows why? that's chemistry, baby) then find another good woman. God knows there's more than one!!!!
Fair enough?

[peggygee]

Vicki,

I agree wholeheartedly with you that this site has become more and more about pic collecting and guys identifying women that they will never meet.

As a women, I now find it increasingly difficult to find the meaningful threads that once held my interest.

As to the dating aspects of this site, I believe that with few exceptions most men on this site are incapble of relationships.

There are the married looking for sex, the emotionally unavailible or unstable. There are the confused and the curious. There are the self loathing who have taken the 'am I gay joke' and made it a truism.

Verily, it has become the 'sausage factory' that some feared, and that many are happy about.

For the male who does not have the testicular or intestinal fortitude to deal with women, or posses the interpersonal skillls to be in a relationship with a women, this is an ideal place to be.

Whoa, low blow. What does dealing with women and seeking transexuals have to do with one another? It's not all about sex or lack there of. You have to be open to the possibilities before you can accept or believe the possibility exists. Very cynical eh?


One or both of us may be confused by the others semantics.

The clarification on my part, about the men on this site, having a problem dealing with women applies to all women, whether transwomen, or genetic females, etc.

I tend to believe that many of the men here would have a problem with a woman, no matter what genitals she possesed.

Further, for me this site feels like a site for the trading of 'tranny cards'. You know like where you guys are looking for a mint Johnny Unitas, or Roger Maris card.

So to re-iterate, I don't get a sense that most of the men here are either looking for a relationship, or have the skill set to acquire and keep one.

Truly, I am not trying to deliver a low blow, but rather inform males that are looking for a relationship that they may need to re-evaluate their tactics and strategies.

[LCF]

I don't post often because for the most part I don't have much to say, I'd rather watch events on this board unfold and watch people dig their own graves. I've been a member long enough to see it move from a website where people mostly talked about a variety of issues with a couple pic threads (Read: A "who has the biggest cock" thread) to the place it is today. The only thing that has honestly changed though is the girls on the forum.

At least to me, it's felt like the board has always had three types of members (guy wise):
1) The flamers: We've always had these, regardless of whether or not most people agreed with them, most of the flamers would rather make a somewhat clever retort than actually respond to things other people have brought up. This response would usually be followed by about 30 responses from people that basically said: "Oh SNAP". You have these guys on every board, but here they are very prevalent. My guess would be it has something to do with some people's deep rooted feelings of guilt for being on a TS website in the first place.
2) The Snivelers: These are the "Oh SNAP" people. They're also the ones who immediately kiss any girl's ass who ever pops up to say ANYTHING. I think the strongest memory I have of these guys would be a couple months ago when Allanah told some troll that she "wouldn't suck his dick even if he paid her!". To me it sounded like a fourth grade response to an annoying prick, but to the snivelers it was the height of intellegence and wit. I think I saw like a thousand responses of a bunch of guys laughing at how amazing that response was and oh by the way how beautiful Allanah is and how much they would love to suck her cock etc, etc. I'm sure any girl on the forum knows what I mean. These are the guys who honestly think kissing a girls ass till their nose is stained grown is gonna get them laid. If I saw one out on the street (if they ever leave the house) I would be hesitant to shake their hand unless they dipped it in bleach first.
3) The Gurus: These are the guys who actually have something to bring to the table and are well balanced human beings for the most part. I take the time to read what they have to say because I think I might actually come out a more informed person because of it. Guys like Seanchai and Bearded One come to mind. These guys are far and few between and sometimes may display characteristics of the first two, but for the most part are good guys I wouldn't mind drinking a couple beers with and talking about life, the universe, and everything.

Maybe this is a tad offtopic, but basically what I'm saying is that there aren't a whole lot of "real" people on this board anymore. People who disagree with what a TS says or god forbid show any kind of backbone are usually shouted off by the army of Snivelers for daring to disagree with their goddess who rightly wouldn't give them the time of the day in real life. With the exception of a select few guys on this board, is there anyone here any of you girls would be interested in in the first place?
Love is a funny thing, but usually your first step in meeting someone should always be to look them straight in the eye, no bullshit, and see them for what they are in the real world. Most people on this board are in love with a fantasy, one of Viagra, baby oil, cameras, easy sex, and secret self-loathing. Would any of you girls look for love in the same guys who are chasing a lie?

[Vicki Richter]

Personally, I like it when people disagree with me.

I think you left off a fourth kind of person on the board. The spammers. This has become more and more rampant. They come in and post a few hundred images relating to different nationality TS and/or body parts, and they are done for the day. What useless web site hawking bullshit is that?

Regardless, and not to lose the topic, I just feel that within the sex industry as a whole... I omitted the simple fact that even female pornstar sex workers struggle to maintain relationships. There is this double standard for a sex worker typically which says, "you can't fuck other girls, but I get to fuck everyone I want because that's my job". That is bullshit. If I have sex with a bunch of people, he can too. As long as neither of us brings any surprises home, I think that's fair.

There is a type of man I have found who finds it erotic that the girl he dates fucks other men while he remains faithful, and he might even want to watch. There are also men who don't care if their girl whores as long as it supports the household. However, if we want a typical family oriented household or the American relationship dream, neither of those are going to work.

Sex work is souless work. The people involved in it lose themselves somewhere and it becomes hollow. Girls come in here a lot complaining about the relationship thing or lack of ability to maintain something in that respect. However, TS outside of the industry do meet and maintain relationships sometimes. I guess for my own peace of mind, I want to know a TS girl in the sex industry can have a LTR. Am I forever tainted because of what I've done? Again, I view this as a sex worker thing almost more than a TS sex worker thing. I know a lot of porn girls, and none of them are in healthy happy relationships. In fact, they seem to have an even harder time because they are more recognizable by a larger male population.

V

[LCF]

I'd like to think that if you really want it enough, you can have it Vicki.
I don't mean to disrespect any of the girls working in the industry, but it might be not just that they were involved in the industry that makes it hard for them to have meaningfull relationships, but I'm sure its a factor. It could be that the same kind of person who goes into that field could also be the same kind of person who has difficulty having a healthy relationship.
From the way I've heard it described primarily on these forums, it's not the kind of work I'd wish on anybody.
Then again, I could be coming from way left field.

[yodajazz]

You have all said some intelligent things in this thread, even though it started with a complaint about the lack of it. But responding to Vicki’s last post, it is difficult for any women in the sex industry to have a relationship while she is still in, but she can always leave and it will eventually make a big difference.

I once was close with an exotic dancer, but chose not to pursue the relationship, when I heard some ‘friends’ talking about her sexually. I later came to understand their comments as immature fantasizing. I am mature enough to understand that now, but not at the time. You will find an emotionally mature man. Time is actually on your side.

I personally am married, but not in a happy state, right now. I wonder if I had had that ltr with a trans could I have been happier today. I that time I was dating, the ones I met were to into the ‘street life’, whereas I am a college graduate. I have loved them my entire life, as well as gg’s. I just except it now as a part of myself, whether I express it outwardly or not.

For me this board allows me to have fantasies and share them with people who might understand them. I will defend those who ‘attack’ our girls (or women) because I love them, while others in society look down on them. Meanwhile I have come to understand that my fantasies give me ‘life’, and hope to continue to experience life. Like everything else fantasy can have a negative side, by interferring in acomplishing real life tasks. But some fantasies do become real. Like I say in my latest song; “All of reality was once only someone’s fantasy.” The women here are living proof of that.

[hondarobot]

I would agree that many, the majority honestly, of people in the "erotic industry" do find it difficult to find and maintain a close relationship. I know a lot of strippers, have known (as friends) many escorts, and I can't think of one of those girls ever finding true love at any point. The problem usually is on both sides. The girls want some "bad boy" stunt cock kinda guy, and the guys want a sex fantasy. Sport fucking only lasts so long between two people and then they drift apart looking for new adventures.

A guy outside the industry would have to be pretty devoted, unique, and not be too uptight about the sexual appetite a girl in, or formerly in, the business would posess. Ideally, he'd have to be interested in everything about a girl, but not just view her as the realization of a sexual fantasy. She's gonna want to have sex with other people on occassion, and he'd probably make the trade off that sometimes he'd get to sit around, relax and watch the History channel while drinking some beers and smoking cigarettes.

He probably wouldn't want to hear about her occasional sex antics, I can't imagine he'd want to watch them (unless it was with another hot girl, no guy would pass that up), the two people would just have to discuss things some day and arrive at a compromise of sorts.

Love can always find a way to work things out, as long as the people are meant for each other. It just takes patience and confidence that things will come together.

[dj4monie]

You have all said some intelligent things in this thread, even though it started with a complaint about the lack of it. But responding to Vicki’s last post, it is difficult for any women in the sex industry to have a relationship while she is still in, but she can always leave and it will eventually make a big difference.

I once was close with an exotic dancer, but chose not to pursue the relationship, when I heard some ‘friends’ talking about her sexually. I later came to understand their comments as immature fantasizing. I am mature enough to understand that now, but not at the time. You will find an emotionally mature man. Time is actually on your side.

I personally am married, but not in a happy state, right now. I wonder if I had had that ltr with a trans could I have been happier today. I that time I was dating, the ones I met were to into the ‘street life’, whereas I am a college graduate. I have loved them my entire life, as well as gg’s. I just except it now as a part of myself, whether I express it outwardly or not.

For me this board allows me to have fantasies and share them with people who might understand them. I will defend those who ‘attack’ our girls (or women) because I love them, while others in society look down on them. Meanwhile I have come to understand that my fantasies give me ‘life’, and hope to continue to experience life. Like everything else fantasy can have a negative side, by interferring in acomplishing real life tasks. But some fantasies do become real. Like I say in my latest song; “All of reality was once only someone’s fantasy.” The women here are living proof of that.

Alot of people in the adult industry are mis-adjusted. But then again, so are alot of "normal" people and they make bad bedfellows as well. Its basically a crap shoot, unless you understand your needs and seperate them from your desires. Desire gets in the way all too often and clouds judgement to the point that you no longer think straight.

I could handle a relationship with an adult performer, I believe I have said that before. Its profession. Why does a career have to be a horrible job you hate going too everyday? I look at the sex trade the same way. Women control the industry, they either love it (Nina Hartley, Ginger Lynn, etc) or hate it and leave soon after.

There was an interview with Heather Hunter once and she was asked how hard was it to date. She said, it was hard to tell if the guy was dating Heather Hunter - The Porn Star and just want to fuck her, or Heather Hunter - The Woman.

There alot of short-sighted men out there. Insercure themselves and project that into their relationships.

It seems the question for most men comes up while dating a performer is when is she going to leave the industry. This is why alot of performers seldom find happiness outside the industry. Why should she give up her career for your personally peace of mind?

As they said in Super Chicken - "You knew the job was dangerous when you took it"

If you knew the girl was in the sex trade and you were unconfortable with that fact, then why did you waste her time? Makes no sense...

Go marry some school teacher someplace, I think your mother would OKAY with that and so will 99% of your friends and family.

I don't understand why so many married men make their way into sites like this. It seems to me you made a poor choice once, what's to stop you from doing it again?

My .02

[whatsupwithat]

So many of you want to suck my shecock and swallow everything that comes out of me... over and over every day of you lives. Don't you hate wishing and wanting? You want that feeling. You want to feel someone beautiful loves you.

Instead all of you are posting spam in here about meaningless "cum shots" or "big shemale cocks"... I mean what the fuck is that. You will just be fucking wanting it a year from now... 5 years from now... the rest of your lives.

I mean really why don't you do something about it? This forum has become pic collectors heaven and the good guys who started this site have left. Megabody almost never posts. This isn't what it was. You guys can post pictures and fantasize, but there are real TS girls who want what you want. Most of you are chicken shit and scared to take what is there. Fuck those of you who fantasize about us but wouldn't risk loving us. Fuck the girls who are so jaded they won't give you a chance.

I want a love story. I want to hear a TS and a guy made it and it was real. I need that. I want to know that what my parents and grandparents can happen to me and my friends. You might want to jack off wishing her cock was deep inside you, but until you really say it and mean it, and

Vicki

It happens. I was in a 13 year relationship with a ts. We lived together and loved together. And although the relationship (like any relationship) didn't work out in the end, today we are best friends.

Chicken shit, Vicki? Not me. I don't visit the working girls for sex. Instead, I've been looking for someone to love and share my life with. I'm ready. But finding a girl who's ready is not easy.

I could go on and on about the myriad of reasons for this, but the blame lies both on the girls side and the guys side.

If there's a girl out there on this board that's reading this, click on my myspace profile below. I don't bite. I'm basically just a nice guy looking for what we're all looking for. Love, trust, and an open and honest relationship with one person. :)

[whatsupwithat]

Sex work is souless work. The people involved in it lose themselves somewhere and it becomes hollow.

V

Something the younger girls need to hear and the guys who make it possible need to understand.

much peace and love, vicki. much peace and love.

[needsum]

Hey Vicki,

I just wanted to say that I hear you--I think that a lot of guys will be using this as a fantasy board, and will never do anything real in their actual lives.

And actually, I am one of them, to a degree. If I may explain . . .

I am married, and like every guy on this board, I admire, enjoy, feel sexually charged by transsexual women. For me, the realization didn't come until I was well into my relationship with my wife. I had never known or seen a TS woman until the internet became readily available, so my exposure level was nil to that point.

Several years ago I started to explore my sexuality without my wife, because while we're still very much in love and happy, our sex life is bland and doesn't have too much hope of improving (she is not very into exploration or kink). Through this experimentation with swing sites and escorting sites, I discovered my attraction to TS women.

I took that leap and met a beautiful woman, had an amazing encounter that forever changed my life. I felt, at that moment, that there were no boundaries between myself and this woman, and that if my situation was different I would have no problem falling in love with her and giving her everything I had to give.

But, I already have that with my wife. Some days when I see that woman I met those years ago, I think how amazing it would be to wake up with her in my arms every morning. I have no hang-ups about the fact that she was in the adult industry, though to be honest I would not want her to stay in it if we were making a life together. If things should ever change with me and I find myself single, I feel, in my heart, that I could honestly love a ts as much as I could a gg. But for now, this board and places like it are the only outlet I have for sharing and enjoying my passions for transsexual women. I certainly don't go so far as to say things like "I wanna suck the cum out of your jewcock" because to me that shit is highly offensive and demeaning to the woman. But I do enjoy the pictures, and the space to speak my mind, debate, admire, and just be a part of this community in some tiny, albeit insignificant way.

So don't give up Vicki, you are beautiful and soulful, and I know that you will be able to find someone who will hold you tight and let you know that you have found everything you are looking for in this life. I know this because if I feel that strongly, there have to be others who feel the same way.

[blahblahblah]

A porn star who made quite many porn movies, who proudly made a gangbang scene with kind of 15 unknown guys (publicly),
escorting, and who else knows what more besides that - wants now to be loved, supported and pleased like a princess by some
ordinary good guy, who will ultimately be willing to if necessity demands it sacrify a lot (for example - his family life in some cases,
probably his social status as well, etc..) for that purpose. Well, that guy must be a real hero, some silly superman kind of..
I dunno, i really dunno any more ;-)

[Vicki Richter]

I think marriage is a bit overrated. I realize I am going all over the place here. But marriage in the traditional sense almost 100% of the time turns into her not wanting sex anymore and him feeling rejected going off and cheating. Then, although she doesn't want sex with him anymore, she goes off and cheats too because that sex is new. A lot of times women resent their husbands for making them pregnant and giving up their freedom, other times, they just put all their energy into children and lose the bond that brought them together.

I would think, because we can't have kids, a life with a transsexual would be more fulfilling. The couple would always focus on each other, fun with each other, knowing each other, sex with each other. Cumming over and over. Orgasms, anal sex, french kissing, oral sex, etc.

I don't get the married and unhappy thing either. So many people divorce. But then there are these people who live in a constant state of numbness who never divorce until they are old. They do it "for the kids". Sure that is self sacrificing and noble, but honestly give up 20 years of your life "for the kids"?? In the meantime you aren't fantasizing about your wife anymore, you are fantasizing about pornstars, transsexuals, bondage, lesbians, gay men and/or sex with farm animals. Everything your wife isn't, you make into a fantasy.

So my argument would be that you cut your losses, pay your child support, and then find your fantasy girl. Whether she is a shemale, a dominatrix or a sheep, that is up to you.

The things I like about a relationship is getting to know someone and getting to know their family, likes, dislikes, and making them happy. You can't get that by dating 10 different guys. Maybe the best relationship would be some form of polygomous open relationship. Most married guys are doing that now anyway, just without her knowing about it. Maybe that is why being a pornstar is a good thing. As long as I do it, I can't be jealous about a guy I am with fucking other girls. I would dump him if I found out he did a guy though. I think that's gross... that or farm animals.

Vicki

[Vicki Richter]

A porn star who made quite many porn movies, who proudly made a gangbang scene with kind of 15 unknown guys (publicly),
escorting, and who else knows what more besides that - wants now to be loved, supported and pleased like a princess by some
ordinary good guy, who will ultimately be willing to if necessity demands it sacrify a lot (for example - his family life in some cases,
probably his social status as well, etc..) for that purpose. Well, that guy must be a real hero, some silly superman kind of..
I dunno, i really dunno any more ;-)

I could dye my hair and get another nose job. Nobody would know but him. My ass is totally tight again after that gang bang scene. That was like 3 or 4 years ago. ;)

V

[whatsupwithat]

A porn star who made quite many porn movies, who proudly made a gangbang scene with kind of 15 unknown guys (publicly),
escorting, and who else knows what more besides that - wants now to be loved, supported and pleased like a princess by some
ordinary good guy, who will ultimately be willing to if necessity demands it sacrify a lot (for example - his family life in some cases,
probably his social status as well, etc..) for that purpose. Well, that guy must be a real hero, some silly superman kind of..
I dunno, i really dunno any more ;-)You're right about one thing - you really DON'T know. Do you honestly think there's ANY woman who dosen't want those things? And fuck your "social status". Obviously it's at the mercy of a bunch of transphobic dorks. If you're so worried about what other people think, you obviously can't think for yourself.

Took the words right out my mouth! Right on! :)

[ezed]

Stop...Stop! Just fucking stop! ( and I'm not talking about the most recent posters, I 've already forgot what they said). Why does everyone have to place people in convenient little boxes and place labels on those boxes. Every fucking person on these boards .....are different! No one is the same as the other! Their reasons for being here nite to nite, are different from the previous nite. They are not even uniform with themselves. Their points of view change like the sands. So there are lurkers, smirkers, and kiss ass jerkers, so they like large or small cocks, post ops or pre ops, 8 year olds like Stan and Cartman, 50 year old's like Homer Simpson. Turd Sandwichs or Giant Douches.

Long term relationships happen or don't no matter what fucking label has been placed on the forehead by the label makers. Genralizations don't make relationships, it's the two people in the relationship. They make them and they break them.

The underlying message is your personal experience is not all encompassing. Nor will it ever be. You may meet the perfect mate or you may never after a hundred times at the plate. Why? Who knows.
Live with it, but keep trying if that's what you seek. But have fun in the meantime, because someday you will die. If there's nothing afterward, then you'll never regret it, you won't be. If there is something good afterward, you'll have forgotten you're gripes and misery and joys. If its bad afterward, you'll be kicking yourself in the ass for not laughing more thus making it more bad.

So loosen up, relax. Don't be so serious. Seriousness happens, but not through a keyboard. We are not intelligent enough to communicate all we think through written words.

Peace to you all....you are you not a label. Everyone is free to like or dislike you based on you not based on what you are labeled.

And now I will get in my armour, in anticipation of tomatos.

[stillies77]

I agree i shouldnt be in a box...im here because i am a tgirl fan...want to someday be together with one...in a relationship not just sex...i come here to talk not post pictures...i am more interested in the people behind the pictures not the pictures themselves...i would rather have a long conversation with Vicki or Holly than just look at pictures of them...its the connection with the person that counts isnt that why we are all here...so we can connect with the tgirls we all love and WANT to know?

[stillies77]

this site makes our fantasies come true sometimes they are sexual and for guys like me they are knowing the person...sex is just the bonus...at least in my book.

[tsluva]

.

"Vicki Richter wrote:


I think marriage is a bit overrated. I realize I am going all over the place here. But marriage in the traditional sense almost 100% of the time turns into her not wanting sex anymore and him feeling rejected going off and cheating. Then, although she doesn't want sex with him anymore, she goes off and cheats too because that sex is new. A lot of times women resent their husbands for making them pregnant and giving up their freedom, other times, they just put all their energy into children and lose the bond that brought them together.


I don't get the married and unhappy thing either. So many people divorce. But then there are these people who live in a constant state of numbness who never divorce until they are old. They do it "for the kids". Sure that is self sacrificing and noble, but honestly give up 20 years of your life "for the kids"?? In the meantime you aren't fantasizing about your wife anymore, you are fantasizing about pornstars, transsexuals, bondage, lesbians, gay men and/or sex with farm animals. Everything your wife isn't, you make into a fantasy.

So my argument would be that you cut your losses, pay your child support, and then find your fantasy girl. Whether she is a shemale, a dominatrix or a sheep, that is up to you.

The things I like about a relationship is getting to know someone and getting to know their family, likes, dislikes, and making them happy. You can't get that by dating 10 different guys. Maybe the best relationship would be some form of polygomous open relationship. Most married guys are doing that now anyway, just without her knowing about it. Maybe that is why being a pornstar is a good thing. As long as I do it, I can't be jealous about a guy I am with fucking other girls. I would dump him if I found out he did a guy though. I think that's gross... that or farm animals.

Marriage is so conditionally instilled in many Americans
to where they feel they have to dream/have itso a lot of
important variables and elements are ignored, pushed aside or no idea
or effort to deal with issues prior to the committment.
Unfortunately the fact is most marriages do not work out and probably the because of the aforementioned problems are some of the reason(s) why most usually end up in divorces.

maybe just me but i don't see what's wrong with first living with
someone you care about for a considerable time before there's even
talk of the next step up. Heck at least you would at least have a
better chance at learning/adapting to your "soulmate" on
a very close and personal and consistent every day basis.
At least you would have a better chance of getting a feel if that partner is compatible and passionate enough to risk a lifetime being with




I would think, because we can't have kids, a life with a transsexual would be more fulfilling. The couple would always focus on each other, fun with each other, knowing each other, sex with each other. Cumming over and over. Orgasms, anal sex, french kissing, oral sex, etc.

Actually Not fulfilling because knowing that kids will not be an possibility
in the future eliminates options.

.And not to sound self-defeating or crude but because of the complications of a tranny relationship, adoption is not likely to be a possibility either.
and because of that it's a strong reason why a long term relationship

it's a bitch and frustrating to each party in the relationship
but it's a reality.
But another reality is not every couple is about kids ...
.. some have no desire to have them. Some learn
to deal with the difficult urge to have kids.

.

[qeuqheeg222]

vicki its really good to have your input on this webboard,arianna,peggy too-you bring the other side to the lusting of allthe others on here...the marriage thing for straight people is soo strange-do the men getting into theses ever think to them selves "i'm gonna be fuckin the same piece of pussy for the rest of my life"..as people grow so do their sexual and personal needs change and when many people get married they never really take this into account..is this person able to express what i need to grow in a long term relationship,whether it be wild ass sex or doin daily activities like the dishes and cooking...i dont know why so many people get married so young,before they can get down wit their bad selves....

[Slither]

Oh yeah, 20 page threads on marriage or "am I gay becuase I take it up the ass?" or any other lovely dovey threads are exactly what this board needs.

I'm all for a good debate but there's nothing wrong with the pic posts.

[Jennifer_English]

This thread has really made me think....

Does working in the adult industry screw up any chance of a 'normal' relationship...?

I hope not. I have just launched my own website and after a rocky start (due to ilness) am now back on track and coming to the stage where my partner (who is also the photographer) and I are facing the awkward subject of me having sex with other people. To be honest its not something I really want to do. Especially with HIM taking the pic... I am a very loyal person, have never cheated on him and am VERY worried about what it might do to us.

We first met up two years ago after getting to know each other on a UK website called 'gaydar'. It was purely a meet for bondage and sex after talking for a few months and finding we got on with each other well. On that first night we pretty much fell for each other and after 2-3 months of him driving some 150 miles as many times in a week as possible to see me, i moved in with him.

One and a half years on.... I still face the problems of transitioning and all that entails and need to either get a job... (I didnt work for the first 2 yrs of being full-time as i couldnt be bothered with all the bitchyness at wherever i would have been working as i didnt look too passable if i am honest!) OR find some other way of earning enough money for FFS, laser, breast augmentation etc. etc.

Que:website idea

Now i am still learning how to do it all properly (yes - i know the website could do with a lot of improvements) as i wanted to do it all myself but the website has been running for about 4 months. I have done some hardcore with my bf and also with a couple of other TS and one guy. Now my BF (who i love with all my heart) and myself have realised that I am going to have to have sex with other guys if i want to have some degree of sucess in this industry. He has said to me that he pretty much knew we would come to this point all along... me...? i never thought about it... dumb i guess...

will it ultimatly harm our relationship..?

i so hope not.. i have even lately had thoughts of not carrying on down this path... Am i doing something which will haunt me forever..?

?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????

Jennifer
-x-

[Vicki Richter]

Jennifer - go big or stay home, there really isn't any middle ground for web sites. If you put yourself out there, and go half way, you'll find it hard to be competitive. Why put yourself on the Internet and risk a lifetime of being labeled if you aren't going to go into it 110%?

Sex work will change your relationship irreversably unless your man really gets off on seeing other guys/girls fuck you. Remember what I said about the rare guy who likes that.

I was raised to be with one person for both love and lust. It goes against my nature to fuck a whole lot of people. That is the real reason why I never got into hardcore escorting. I might go months without sex sometimes. Sure this may be caused by religion or hopes of a normal relationship - I'm not sure.

So my point is, always evaluate what is the most important thing to you. Is your man the most important thing? Is he behind you 100%? If you start to see warning signs or fighting in the relationship after you start down the path, you need to be willing to change course on your adult career or risk losing what matters most.

I used to have a very very close friend who lost her family - what mattered most - after getting into the adult biz. While she may or may not agree that is what caused it, I am absolutely convinced. After losing her family, she has never been that same bubbly, happy person since. She lost the fire and zest for life that made her so special to me.

Anyway, I wish you luck regardless of your decision.

Vicki

[stillies77]

this is going way off topic haha

[hondarobot]

I don't think it's going off topic at all. It's becoming a complex, multi faceted examination of the thread topic, "Love and Lust". It's got all the classic hallmarks of a HA thread:

Vicki Richter makes a post that inspires many different reactions and critical analysis, guys start yelling, girls start screaming, I propose marriage to blondie, Slither makes one of his increasingly rare posts and delares "it's a fuckin shemale forum. . .", and we all learn a little more about the world we live in.

And the conservatives just lost the mid term elections. In Your Face!

:wink:

[hondarobot]

Ok, things have seemed to calm down so let's take a closer examination of the post that started this thread:

"So many of you want to suck my shecock and swallow everything that comes out of me"

Well, good guys just want to make a girl be happy. What the hell is wrong with that? Licking and sucking a vagina to make it "squirt" is the same thing. You seem to be the one focused on this whole "shecock" aspect.

"You want to feel someone beautiful loves you."

That's an easy one. It's not hard to have beautiful people love you. Physical beauty is nice, but it's really just the paint you put on the wall.

"Instead all of you are posting spam in here about meaningless 'cum shots' or 'big shemale cocks'"

It's a shemale porn/escort site. Shemale porn stars post here. They are shemale pornstars because of "cum shots" and "big shemale cocks". What's the problem?

"This forum has become pic collectors heaven and the good guys who started this site have left. Megabody almost never posts."

Megabody still posts, and this forum is way better then it use to be, as far as I can tell.

"I want a love story. I want to hear a TS and a guy made it and it was real."

You'll have that. You're really pretty lucky in that regard, because I'm a pretty damn good, cool, and capable guy. I'll chase after you forever, and that's the truth. It's very rare for a girl to have an absolute, unwavering back-up like that, so you should appreciate it. And as a bonus, I'm not a crazy stalker. Just a dedicated (although frequently underappreciated) guy.

And yeah, you're a big movie star. . . great, love it.

I know a lot of other girls. This thing with us has been going on for two years now. . .

Everything is under control and proceeding as it should be.

[RawNY]

OK, I have been reading about this isue not only on this thread but in others over the years.
In my humble opinion, much of what goes on here is commercial and pure advertising for porn websites and escorts. If I am wrong then I challange any of the women who post here to stop complaining and to take their website links out of thir posts.
In the past I have posted in threads where pictures of obviously unattractive women have bee worshiped by what I call the "droolers" And please don't tell me everyone is beautiful, that is plain bullshit, be it a TG, GG or male.
With regard to a relationship. I am not an unattactive man. and would love to engage a TG in a "normal' relationship. I would love to spend time doing what other couples do and slowly developing the love which follows the lust. This is true even in male- female relationships. I am not sure where to start. I have been with Tg for over 20 years and have tried to stay away from $$$, it is very hard.
I have been to a few parties which have been advertised here. Getting there about 11, watching the parade of women come in about 12 and trying to stike up a conversation with some of them as has been suggested in other threads. ("just go up to them and say hi and talk like any other social situation where you are trying to meet someone").Sorry, dont work.
After being at Vapor a few times I had to leave because each time I was talking to someone it ended in "Do you want to spend some time with me?" Translation: put some money down and we can grope in the back. If I wanted a hooker I would go to Eros or the Village voice. If you say no they either walk away in a huff and complain to their friends or ask you to at least by them a drink ($10-$15) Is it any wonder most men give up and become voyeurs?
If I am wrong, then I would ask Sunny or Allanah to meet one night me and point out which of their regulars are simply looking to meet a nice guy who is not just infatuated with the unique situation, for lack of a better term.
Maybe there are other clubs or parties which are more conducive to social intercourse (no pun intended.) I hear stories of house parties, but no details. Maybe there are other website where that is the focus.
Sorry, but I had to get this off my chest and this seemed like the right time to do it. So, if there are any complaints then I think that women have to do some soul searching and make themself more avaiable for happiness than hustling.

[Vicki Richter]

OK, I have been reading about this isue not only on this thread but in others over the years.
In my humble opinion, much of what goes on here is commercial and pure advertising for porn websites and escorts. If I am wrong then I challange any of the women who post here to stop complaining and to take their website links out of thir posts.
In the past I have posted in threads where pictures of obviously unattractive women have bee worshiped by what I call the "droolers" And please don't tell me everyone is beautiful, that is plain bullshit, be it a TG, GG or male.
With regard to a relationship. I am not an unattactive man. and would love to engage a TG in a "normal' relationship. I would love to spend time doing what other couples do and slowly developing the love which follows the lust. This is true even in male- female relationships. I am not sure where to start. I have been with Tg for over 20 years and have tried to stay away from $$$, it is very hard.
I have been to a few parties which have been advertised here. Getting there about 11, watching the parade of women come in about 12 and trying to stike up a conversation with some of them as has been suggested in other threads. ("just go up to them and say hi and talk like any other social situation where you are trying to meet someone").Sorry, dont work.
After being at Vapor a few times I had to leave because each time I was talking to someone it ended in "Do you want to spend some time with me?" Translation: put some money down and we can grope in the back. If I wanted a hooker I would go to Eros or the Village voice. If you say no they either walk away in a huff and complain to their friends or ask you to at least by them a drink ($10-$15) Is it any wonder most men give up and become voyeurs?
If I am wrong, then I would ask Sunny or Allanah to meet one night me and point out which of their regulars are simply looking to meet a nice guy who is not just infatuated with the unique situation, for lack of a better term.
Maybe there are other clubs or parties which are more conducive to social intercourse (no pun intended.) I hear stories of house parties, but no details. Maybe there are other website where that is the focus.
Sorry, but I had to get this off my chest and this seemed like the right time to do it. So, if there are any complaints then I think that women have to do some soul searching and make themself more avaiable for happiness than hustling.

For the first 3-4 years of posting I didn't have a tag line for my site, but I did have a web site. Then other girls were doing it, and a lot of it. It became the defacto standard. My posts here tend to have more meaning and substance a greater percentage of the time than most other girls who have something to sell. Also keep in mind that this site used to have actual banners for many of the girls posting here that rotated on their referral program. They did away with that too. So honestly, if I add value to the forum, I really don't mind having a link in my sig.

You are right about what you mention. I am definitely not saying that most TS who come from a lower social class desire what I have commented on here. They aren't very forward thinking in many cases. If you read any of Megabody's posts on "hood rats" you will know what the girls like. So yes, if you goto a sex party where the theme is TS are sex objects, then you are probably not going to meet your LTR girl there. 99.9% of these girls are prostitutes and you are a trick. After all is said and done, a guy wanting a relationship with a prostitute could just be a trick who wants free sex and is insincere.

Are you going to enable her to give up her escorting somehow... someday? Have you been labeled a bottom by girls in that environment when most girls, preference wise, are secretly bottoms themselves? All these things add up. Unfortunately, for myself, I could never have a loving long term relationship with a bottom guy, no matter how nice or rich he was, because someday I will get SRS and then I can't compete with dick and the need for it that some guys have. I have no problem with guys of any sexuality and I think it's great for guys to do whatever gets them off. However, we all have to be realists.

[Uncut]

Hard to get a love story. Most everytime I have talked a beautiful girl its always about the money, so right away its turns into something else so it is hard to truly meet someone.

[stillies77]

same here

[yodajazz]

Back in the day, I would go to mixed gay clubs and see girls there. That was more of a chance for social interaction, but I would still buy drinks for people I was interested in talking to. They could be doing something else, so why not buy a drink.

But my main point is that everyone needs to survive, or just want a better material life than they have now. If you are not interested in helping them live at some point, the relationship will die anyway. Take them out to dinner, do something.

I wonder if you have ever been in a relationship with a GG? My SO wants a new home, even though we live in one, where we pay no rent or mortgage. At this point our sex life is minimal, after so any years.
A fifteen year mortgage, costing in the 100,000's of dollars. A $15 drink doesn't sound so bad to me, at this point.

Spending some cash means you are looking for something besides free ass!

[yodajazz]

I should have added that the girls get beautiful by spending large amount of money to get that way. Even GG's are spending money getting their hair done regularly, cosmetics, lotions, and a lot of clothes. Somebody has to pay for it, and if you get in a relationship, you will be helping by paying for something.

[hondarobot]

heh. That thing would probably be a pain in the ass anyways. Having never gone that route before though, I'm really not an expert on the subject, nor intend to be.

8)

[atkms7]

So many of you want to suck my shecock and swallow everything that comes out of me... over and over every day of you lives. Don't you hate wishing and wanting? You want that feeling. You want to feel someone beautiful loves you.

Instead all of you are posting spam in here about meaningless "cum shots" or "big shemale cocks"... I mean what the fuck is that. You will just be fucking wanting it a year from now... 5 years from now... the rest of your lives.

I mean really why don't you do something about it? This forum has become pic collectors heaven and the good guys who started this site have left. Megabody almost never posts. This isn't what it was. You guys can post pictures and fantasize, but there are real TS girls who want what you want. Most of you are chicken shit and scared to take what is there. Fuck those of you who fantasize about us but wouldn't risk loving us. Fuck the girls who are so jaded they won't give you a chance.

I want a love story. I want to hear a TS and a guy made it and it was real. I need that. I want to know that what my parents and grandparents can happen to me and my friends. You might want to jack off wishing her cock was deep inside you, but until you really say it and mean it, and

Vicki

beautifully said vicki, im pretty much an average looking guy, nobody would ever think that i'm bi if they were to see me on the street, but to be completely honest, i would defnitley luv to marry a cute transsexual, the only problem is im only 18 and most transgendered girls either think im too young for them or most tg's my age are still only crossdressing. on the other hand i am a guy and i am hitting my sexual peak rite now, so the only thing i ever think about is just getting completely nasty with someone as sexy as you...wanna go out sometime, hahaha. but back to what i was originally saying, i would looooove to become intimate and passionate with any cute transsexual...so leave me private messages ladies, haha.

[peggygee]

OK, I have been reading about this isue not only on this thread but in others over the years.

In my humble opinion, much of what goes on here is commercial and pure advertising for porn websites and escorts. If I am wrong then I challange any of the women who post here to stop complaining and to take their website links out of thir posts.



With regard to a relationship. I am not an unattactive man. and would love to engage a TG in a "normal' relationship. I would love to spend time doing what other couples do and slowly developing the love which follows the lust. This is true even in male- female relationships. I am not sure where to start. I have been with Tg for over 20 years and have tried to stay away from $$$, it is very hard.


I have been to a few parties which have been advertised here. Getting there about 11, watching the parade of women come in about 12 and trying to stike up a conversation with some of them as has been suggested in other threads. ("just go up to them and say hi and talk like any other social situation where you are trying to meet someone").Sorry, dont work.


After being at Vapor a few times I had to leave because each time I was talking to someone it ended in "Do you want to spend some time with me?" Translation: put some money down and we can grope in the back. If I wanted a hooker I would go to Eros or the Village voice. If you say no they either walk away in a huff and complain to their friends or ask you to at least by them a drink ($10-$15) Is it any wonder most men give up and become voyeurs?


Maybe there are other clubs or parties which are more conducive to social intercourse (no pun intended.) I hear stories of house parties, but no details. Maybe there are other website where that is the focus.
Sorry, but I had to get this off my chest and this seemed like the right time to do it. So, if there are any complaints then I think that women have to do some soul searching and make themself more avaiable for happiness than hustling.



VICKI RICHTER replied

You are right about what you mention. I am definitely not saying that most TS who come from a lower social class desire what I have commented on here. They aren't very forward thinking in many cases. If you read any of Megabody's posts on "hood rats" you will know what the girls like. So yes, if you goto a sex party where the theme is TS are sex objects, then you are probably not going to meet your LTR girl there. 99.9% of these girls are prostitutes and you are a trick. After all is said and done, a guy wanting a relationship with a prostitute could just be a trick who wants free sex and is insincere.

Are you going to enable her to give up her escorting somehow... someday? Have you been labeled a bottom by girls in that environment when most girls, preference wise, are secretly bottoms themselves? All these things add up. Unfortunately, for myself, I could never have a loving long term relationship with a bottom guy, no matter how nice or rich he was, because someday I will get SRS and then I can't compete with dick and the need for it that some guys have. I have no problem with guys of any sexuality and I think it's great for guys to do whatever gets them off. However, we all have to be realists.



A few decades ago my Brother stated to my mother and I that he was always meeting women that were hurtful to him, that just wanted him to spend money on them, and that were generally not of the best character.

My mother asked him, where was he meeting most of these women. He responded, "at bars".

Now of course all women that you meet in a bar, aren't going to be women that are after your money, nor is the converse true, that all women that you don't meet in a bar going to be all prim and proper, and 'wifey material'.

However as Ms. Richter points out if you frequent porn websites, and TS sex parties, you most likely aren't going to find someone for a potential LTR.

There are indeed sites, venues, and techniques for meeting transwomen who are looking for LTRs.

But gentlemen for the most part, you are 'looking for love' in mostly all 'the wrong places' to paraphrase the old Waylon Jennings' song.

[BeardedOne]

But gentlemen for the most part, you are 'looking for love' in all mostly all 'the wrong place' to paraphrase the old Waylon Jennings' song.

"Just some good ol' boys,
Never meaning no harm..."

Whups, wrong Waylon Jennings song. :roll:

'All the wrong places' is a pretty good qualifier. I'm not sure I was exactly hunting in the wrong places, per se, but I somehow managed to put out a vibe that attracted women who, no matter how they looked or spoke, invariably owned kick-start vibrators and liked fish. :roll: But if you hang out at Cowtown a lot, you can't expect to find Martha Stewart there (Of course, if you hang out at the state pen on visitor's day, Martha might just be there :lol: ).

Before I hermitized, I did the prowl in just about every venue you can imagine. From the classic (Laundramats, grocery stores, flea markets) to the unusual/extreme (The hotel bar, hotel sauna, my bathtub at an area hotel - Damn thing seated six! :lol: ). Personals, done it. Dating service, done it. "Hey, babe, you wanna fuck?" *SLAP*, done it.

I've found internet relationships somewhat satisfying (Though most never pan out to an actual meeting), mostly because I tend to express thoughts better via the written/typed word (And draw the same clarity in return) than I do in person. Think: Ernest Hemingway on the page, Gomer Pyle in the flesh. :? Even if you don't get down and dirty, it's nice to have someone lucid to chat with now and again. Let's face it, all the big tits, tight asses, and arm-thick schlongs in the world aren't going to mean much if the person attached has trouble deciphering the instructions on a shampoo bottle.

I have met, in person, a handlful of people I've met on the net. Though most have just been friendly dinner meetings/'dates' (You know who you are :P ), a couple have gone further. Spent a lovely few months/couple of years with a 3G (Gay GG) I met in a chatroom on AOL and have very fine memories thereof (She drifted away and got back with a former lover).

I also had the exceptional good fortune to spend time with a fascinating boi that I stumbled on while searching for "hermaphrodite" in the AOL Member Directory (I'm such a slut!). Intersexed (Born GG, but with an odd chromosme mix that made him as much male as female), he was super-intelligent and creative and, due to his mixed biology, gave off gender vibes that fired all cylinders for me (I am bi and he gave off an aura that defied gender definition). Alas, he was hyper and autistic and I am ADD and aloof, so we found each other sitting at opposite ends of the bed, playing with ourselves (But not each other). Go figure. :roll: A high note: He went on to be very active in several gender positive organizations, including ISNA, the Intersex Society of North America ( www.isna.org/ ).

I just wish he'd call 'home' once in a while. :?

So, yah, shopping in the wrong store won't get you what you're looking for, but it's not a clear rule and often gets challenged by fate.

[Gillian]

The key issue is the acceptance of transsexuals or transgendered people by society at large. Until such time as they are accepted and accorded the same rights and opportunities as others, transsexuals, who let's face it need to make a living, will in many cases be confined to the sex industry. As Vicki said earlier, that immediately puts some pretty significant restraints on the types of relationships that they can enjoy.

Clearly it varies from country to country, but even gays aren't universally accepted yet, so I think (unfortunately) it may be a long while yet before people don't bat an eyelid at seeing guys and tgirls in public, surely a prerequisite of more "normal" relationships. (By in public, I mean outside the confines of clubs or gay/TG "hotspots").

[blahblahblah]

For the first 3-4 years of posting I didn't have a tag line for my site, but I did have a web site. Then other girls were doing it, and a lot of it. It became the defacto standard. My posts here tend to have more meaning and substance a greater percentage of the time than most other girls who have something to sell. Also keep in mind that this site used to have actual banners for many of the girls posting here that rotated on their referral program. They did away with that too. So honestly, if I add value to the forum, I really don't mind having a link in my sig.

You are right about what you mention. I am definitely not saying that most TS who come from a lower social class desire what I have commented on here. They aren't very forward thinking in many cases. If you read any of Megabody's posts on "hood rats" you will know what the girls like. So yes, if you goto a sex party where the theme is TS are sex objects, then you are probably not going to meet your LTR girl there. 99.9% of these girls are prostitutes and you are a trick. After all is said and done, a guy wanting a relationship with a prostitute could just be a trick who wants free sex and is insincere.

Are you going to enable her to give up her escorting somehow... someday? Have you been labeled a bottom by girls in that environment when most girls, preference wise, are secretly bottoms themselves? All these things add up. Unfortunately, for myself, I could never have a loving long term relationship with a bottom guy, no matter how nice or rich he was, because someday I will get SRS and then I can't compete with dick and the need for it that some guys have. I have no problem with guys of any sexuality and I think it's great for guys to do whatever gets them off. However, we all have to be realists.

Vicki, i see that you tend to take up discussion about LTR much more and more for every new
post you do. Are you changing your direction, is working in the sex industry something
you are trying to abandon at this point? I still think and believe that you are worth
something much much better then being a sex worker. But i might be wrong.

Also, this is kind of first post (that i know) where you are admitting your plannes to
do SRS at some point in your life. What "conditions" are you expecting to be fulfilled
in order to make that step? What are you waiting for, in other words?

[hondarobot]

For the first 3-4 years of posting I didn't have a tag line for my site, but I did have a web site. Then other girls were doing it, and a lot of it. It became the defacto standard. My posts here tend to have more meaning and substance a greater percentage of the time than most other girls who have something to sell. Also keep in mind that this site used to have actual banners for many of the girls posting here that rotated on their referral program. They did away with that too. So honestly, if I add value to the forum, I really don't mind having a link in my sig.

You are right about what you mention. I am definitely not saying that most TS who come from a lower social class desire what I have commented on here. They aren't very forward thinking in many cases. If you read any of Megabody's posts on "hood rats" you will know what the girls like. So yes, if you goto a sex party where the theme is TS are sex objects, then you are probably not going to meet your LTR girl there. 99.9% of these girls are prostitutes and you are a trick. After all is said and done, a guy wanting a relationship with a prostitute could just be a trick who wants free sex and is insincere.

Are you going to enable her to give up her escorting somehow... someday? Have you been labeled a bottom by girls in that environment when most girls, preference wise, are secretly bottoms themselves? All these things add up. Unfortunately, for myself, I could never have a loving long term relationship with a bottom guy, no matter how nice or rich he was, because someday I will get SRS and then I can't compete with dick and the need for it that some guys have. I have no problem with guys of any sexuality and I think it's great for guys to do whatever gets them off. However, we all have to be realists.

Vicki, i see that you tend to take up discussion about LTR much more and more for every new
post you do. Are you changing your direction, is working in the sex industry something
you are trying to abandon at this point? I still think and believe that you are worth
something much much better then being a sex worker. But i might be wrong.

Also, this is kind of first post (that i know) where you are admitting your plannes to
do SRS at some point in your life. What "conditions" are you expecting to be fulfilled
in order to make that step? What are you waiting for, in other words?

Hey SuperMcManaman, I'll field this one and she can correct me if I'm wrong (it's a public forum, after all).

Every girl thinks about a LTR eventually, most every TS girl plans for SRS someday, and there's nothing wrong with being in the sex industry.

And this isn't her first post concerning SRS, here or from what I remember elsewhere. She has gone on and on about SRS on several occasions. Can't blame a girl for that, it is a pretty huge deal, and a very important and personal objective.

:wink:

[whatsupwithat]

The key issue is the acceptance of transsexuals or transgendered people by society at large. Until such time as they are accepted and accorded the same rights and opportunities as others, transsexuals, who let's face it need to make a living, will in many cases be confined to the sex industry. As Vicki said earlier, that immediately puts some pretty significant restraints on the types of relationships that they can enjoy.

Clearly it varies from country to country, but even gays aren't universally accepted yet, so I think (unfortunately) it may be a long while yet before people don't bat an eyelid at seeing guys and tgirls in public, surely a prerequisite of more "normal" relationships. (By in public, I mean outside the confines of clubs or gay/TG "hotspots").

This IS the root reason for this discussion. We are all victimized by it. And until we start to positively claim our place in society, nothing will change.

[Vicki Richter]

I am going to argue a few points. The reason gay guys can have a happy relationship is because in most cases they aren't sex workers. It isn't a societal stigma. As I said before, TS outside of the industry have often had happy healthy relationships. This removes jealousy and a whole variety of human emotions which can take place.

I hate hearing, "society isn't ready". I also hate hearing that girls can't do anything but sex work. Get an education and there are companies who want you to work for them because you help them fill certain quota's which show they hire a diverse workforce. The fact is, most sex workers I know have no desire to get out of that work. Why should they? What other job can girls (or almost anyone) pull down $5-$10k on a good week for doing something which sometimes is fun. I know girls in their 40's still escorting and doing pretty well. Someday that drops off and it's a good idea to have a backup plan beforehand.

Maybe society isn't ready for the big baratone, chip on their shoulder, unpassable, angry transsexual to come into the workforce demanding instant acceptance and equality. However, graciousness can go a long way. I don't knock anyone for doing sex work. It's great work for making money quickly which can finance surgery - which can greatly enhance the quality of life for a TS. It can also finance formal education. I don't think you see a lot of people with bachelors degrees pan handling.

Anyway, the discussion is whether TS can have a happy relationship, and I say, of course. However, any sex worker, TS or otherwise are in for a long difficult road if that is a goal.

[blahblahblah]

I am going to argue a few points. The reason gay guys can have a happy relationship is because in most cases they aren't sex workers. It isn't a societal stigma. As I said before, TS outside of the industry have often had happy healthy relationships. This removes jealousy and a whole variety of human emotions which can take place.

I hate hearing, "society isn't ready". I also hate hearing that girls can't do anything but sex work. Get an education and there are companies who want you to work for them because you help them fill certain quota's which show they hire a diverse workforce. The fact is, most sex workers I know have no desire to get out of that work. Why should they? What other job can girls (or almost anyone) pull down $5-$10k on a good week for doing something which sometimes is fun. I know girls in their 40's still escorting and doing pretty well. Someday that drops off and it's a good idea to have a backup plan beforehand.

Maybe society isn't ready for the big baratone, chip on their shoulder, unpassable, angry transsexual to come into the workforce demanding instant acceptance and equality. However, graciousness can go a long way. I don't knock anyone for doing sex work. It's great work for making money quickly which can finance surgery - which can greatly enhance the quality of life for a TS. It can also finance formal education. I don't think you see a lot of people with bachelors degrees pan handling.

Anyway, the discussion is whether TS can have a happy relationship, and I say, of course. However, any sex worker, TS or otherwise are in for a long difficult road if that is a goal.

Society and it's role:
I say NO: You can not blame a person's look compared to her inner perceptions. It's (and i absolutely
do not try to insult anyone here - keep that in mind) equal claiming that a handicapped person without a hand is not passable,
and if we want our Society to accept such person, then he\she must get an artificial hand that's pretty much alike the "original"
one. I say no. It is the role and duty of Society to take care of all individuals equally, no matter what.

So, you think that pulling down $5-$10k on some "good" weeks doing that funny thing is a well payed business compared to
what is being sold? We people are so different.

.....a long difficult road if that is a goal.....

Are you on that jurney?

[whatsupwithat]

I am going to argue a few points. The reason gay guys can have a happy relationship is because in most cases they aren't sex workers. It isn't a societal stigma. As I said before, TS outside of the industry have often had happy healthy relationships. This removes jealousy and a whole variety of human emotions which can take place.

I hate hearing, "society isn't ready". I also hate hearing that girls can't do anything but sex work. Get an education and there are companies who want you to work for them because you help them fill certain quota's which show they hire a diverse workforce. The fact is, most sex workers I know have no desire to get out of that work. Why should they? What other job can girls (or almost anyone) pull down $5-$10k on a good week for doing something which sometimes is fun. I know girls in their 40's still escorting and doing pretty well. Someday that drops off and it's a good idea to have a backup plan beforehand.

Maybe society isn't ready for the big baratone, chip on their shoulder, unpassable, angry transsexual to come into the workforce demanding instant acceptance and equality. However, graciousness can go a long way. I don't knock anyone for doing sex work. It's great work for making money quickly which can finance surgery - which can greatly enhance the quality of life for a TS. It can also finance formal education. I don't think you see a lot of people with bachelors degrees pan handling.

Anyway, the discussion is whether TS can have a happy relationship, and I say, of course. However, any sex worker, TS or otherwise are in for a long difficult road if that is a goal.

I respectfully disagree, Vicki.

I am not knocking sex workers at all. In fact, I'm all for legalization of it...it would end much of the misery, stigma, and sickness related to it.

And while you may hate hearing "society isn't ready", it's not. In fact in your first paragraph above you made very clear what my main point is. Society accepts gay men and women as they are part of the normal machinations of it. Every single person out there knows or works with someone who is gay. On the flip side, not every single person out there knows a transsexual. So, when they go to the porn store, or the internet, or look at escort ads, many times this is their only contact with transsexuals.

So, yeah, society isn't ready to open its doors because their main point of reference for transsexuals is porn and sex work. Now, if it was politicians, activists, scientists, actively creative people that were the transsexuals (and there are many who are these things) people saw all the time, it would go a long way towards making society ready to accept.

Again, not knocking sex work or porn...all for it. But where's the balance? Where?

[hondarobot]

Way to go, McManaman, now you've pissed me off again :!:

heh, just kidding, you seem like a decent enough guy.

Here's the situation: Most TS are not looking to live as advocates for universal gender equality, and why would they? Most simply want to be accepted in their gender corrected state. A TS woman would want to simply be treated as any other woman in society.

And as far as porn being "funny money", I know people here where I work who wash dishes for a living, and they get paid shit for it. Nothing wrong with washing dishes, someone has to do it, but it's a pretty lousy, demeaning occupation. Being a adult video star is, I imagine, very fun, satisfying, somewhat glamerous, and lucrative as well.

If you're questioning the morality of porn, I've asked you before, how did you run across a porn star in the first place? You were looking for "dirty" pictures. Just get over it, dirty pictures are fun to look at.

And don't try that old "I'm doing research for a college paper" trick again, no body bought that the first time.

:P

[blahblahblah]

Too many mosquitos in the air.. It's the worst thing i know.

[hondarobot]

Too many mosquitos in the air.. It's the worst thing i know.

Is that what those are? I thought they were butterflies. . .

heh.

I really gotta stop with that sort of stuff, I'm starting to even make myself swoon. :claps

[peggygee]

I am going to argue a few points. The reason gay guys can have a happy relationship is because in most cases they aren't sex workers. It isn't a societal stigma. As I said before, TS outside of the industry have often had happy healthy relationships. This removes jealousy and a whole variety of human emotions which can take place.

I hate hearing, "society isn't ready". I also hate hearing that girls can't do anything but sex work. Get an education and there are companies who want you to work for them because you help them fill certain quota's which show they hire a diverse workforce. The fact is, most sex workers I know have no desire to get out of that work. Why should they? What other job can girls (or almost anyone) pull down $5-$10k on a good week for doing something which sometimes is fun. I know girls in their 40's still escorting and doing pretty well. Someday that drops off and it's a good idea to have a backup plan beforehand.

Maybe society isn't ready for the big baratone, chip on their shoulder, unpassable, angry transsexual to come into the workforce demanding instant acceptance and equality. However, graciousness can go a long way. I don't knock anyone for doing sex work. It's great work for making money quickly which can finance surgery - which can greatly enhance the quality of life for a TS. It can also finance formal education. I don't think you see a lot of people with bachelors degrees pan handling.

Anyway, the discussion is whether TS can have a happy relationship, and I say, of course. However, any sex worker, TS or otherwise are in for a long difficult road if that is a goal.

I respectfully disagree, Vicki.

I am not knocking sex workers at all. In fact, I'm all for legalization of it...it would end much of the misery, stigma, and sickness related to it.

And while you may hate hearing "society isn't ready", it's not. In fact in your first paragraph above you made very clear what my main point is. Society accepts gay men and women as they are part of the normal machinations of it. Every single person out there knows or works with someone who is gay. On the flip side, not every single person out there knows a transsexual. So, when they go to the porn store, or the internet, or look at escort ads, many times this is their only contact with transsexuals.

So, yeah, society isn't ready to open its doors because their main point of reference for transsexuals is porn and sex work. Now, if it was politicians, activists, scientists, actively creative people that were the transsexuals (and there are many who are these things) people saw all the time, it would go a long way towards making society ready to accept.

Again, not knocking sex work or porn...all for it. But where's the balance? Where?

Eleanor Roosevelt stated that "No one can make you feel inferior without your consent".

As a transwoman of color I do not allow society to dictate what I can or can not acheive.

As a Black person growing up during the heyday of the Civil rights movement I remember vividly the struggle for our right to control our freedom and destinies.

As a woman, I am filled with pride at the progress that the Women's Liberation Movement has afforded us.

In my lifetime I have seen gays, many of the nations of the Third World, the handi-able, and many others gain their rights and their freedoms.

However, with transpeople, we are a people that freedom, equality, dignity, and opportunity seems to have forgotten.

Why is this?

Yes, I will concede that society discriminates against transpeople in many ways.

But unfortunately for many trans-people, the only thing that being 'trans' means to them, is 'sucking and fucking' and looking good and other material values.

In a perfect world, respect and equal opportunity should be birthrights. They should not be something that you have to fight for.

However the reality is that people will not respect you if you do not respect yourself or act in a respectful manner.

[arc angel]

A true story,
I live in Albany ny 3 hrs from 2 hrs from nyc I enjoy the cpmpany of the hottest ladys on the planet so i happen to go to trans hangouts . well one weekend a year or two ago i went to boston to see one of my most fav girls. I went out on fridday the date was set for sat but i like to go to jacques its has super shows and one of my fave performers was there that night.i got there around 9 had a drink sat back and relaxed after a long drive. me not expecting to hook up and quite tired order a drink for both my best friends, ( one for both hands) here is where it all started.
As i sit enjoying my green bottles i happen to look up an see the finest girl in the club lookin me right in the eye, me bieng a bit shy i look over my sholder thinkin she was lookin at someone else, as i turn around shes standin next to me ! I ask her if i may buy her a drink and give her my seat. we had small talk and seem to hit it off. she told me she was a workin girl at witch time i told her i was not lokkin for a workin girl , to my suprise she says good ! i have tonight off care to join me at my place....

This is just the start of what was a 1 yr relationship, i will finish it if anyone cares to hear it but it like most has no happy ending .

[yodajazz]

Arc Angel, please go on with your story because it goes to the heart of the original posting of this thread.

Whatupwiththat wrote:

"Society accepts gay men and women as they are part of the normal machinations of it. Every single person out there knows or works with someone who is gay."

I have to disagree with that. Society is becoming more accepting of Gays but total acceptance is still a very long way off. Case in point; HA forum, itself.

[hondarobot]

Well, to be honest, gay male culture doesn't want to be totally assimilated by the straight world. I'm not sure what's up with the lesbian scene, and bisexuals just kinda blend in.

None of these particular social circles really have anything to do with TS girls (TS guys, I have no information on).

Case in point: The club I work at became a bastion for the gay male scene back in the 70's, those guys apparently rocked out with their cocks out for a couple decades (primarily just because of the name of the place, which is ironic because it use to be a straight burlesque joint, "gay" just meant "fun" back in the day I guess).

Right about the time I started working there drag queens were all the rage. Our club started drawing in a more mainstream, straight crowd. The gay guys rebelled and started all kinds of shit with us, made numerous attempts on various fronts to try to shut us down.

Why? I have no idea. Gay men complain that they aren't accepted in mainstream clubs, then when the mainstream enters one of "their" clubs, they flip out and run away.

It's a bit silly. I try not to think about it too much, but then again I'm not gay. I have nothing against gay guys and count many gay men as friends, but they just seem to have their own thing going on.

Moral of the story: some people don't want acceptance. They want to maintain a seperate niche community. I have no problem with that, but personally I prefere to hover above the drama.

[whatsupwithat]

Arc Angel, please go on with your story because it goes to the heart of the original posting of this thread.

Whatupwiththat wrote:

"Society accepts gay men and women as they are part of the normal machinations of it. Every single person out there knows or works with someone who is gay."

I have to disagree with that. Society is becoming more accepting of Gays but total acceptance is still a very long way off. Case in point; HA forum, itself.

Oh, you brought up a whole new issue. Yeah, there are alot. :)

As much as LGBT is synonymous with a movement or community, the "T" part of that, not even to mention the "B", is hardly accorded the same power within that movement and community due to longstanding bias'. Now, some of that is because of spite, some of misunderstanding, some of ignorance. And the lesbian community has come a lot farther in accepting and working with thier FTM trans brothers, than the Gay community has in accepting and working with their MTF trans sisters.

This is something my trans-activist friends discuss a lot. Are they really a part of the lesbian and gay community or are they something totally seperate?

What I'd like to see is the same strength through numbers and voice with the trans community that I see with the gay and lesbian communities.

is this possible? Like someone said before...change comes from within.

[Quickman]

...

There are indeed sites, venues, and techniques for meeting transwomen who are looking for LTRs.

But gentlemen for the most part, you are 'looking for love' in mostly all 'the wrong places' to paraphrase the old Waylon Jennings' song.

If there are better places than this, I'd like to find out more about them.

For me, I see three facets to the issue of having a LTR with a TS woman.

1) Finding someone who is physically attractive (not a model, just nice) and feminine and in transition or non op.

A qualifier: For me a passable TS who has had SRS is out because she would be no different in terms of social acceptance or interpersonal relationship-wise than a barren or post menopausal GG IMHO.

Now, assuming she has the pretty pre-op thing going for her, she's probably already just a few Dr. visits away from having SRS. But let's assume I met her during that window... here in the heartland...and she goes for me; an average, decent-looking guy.

I like my odds better playing texas no-limit.

2) Finding someone who is all of the previous and not an escort
My "poppa" used to say, "You cain't turn a ho into a housewife". I've heard variations on this theme such as "There are some things that if you sell, you can never get back". It might sound harsh or judgemental, and I'm sure there are exceptions to every rule, but in general, I think these sentiments are worth heeding.

Ah yes, and by the way, without escorting, how is she going to afford the transition into a passable, reasonably attractive lady? Is she independently wealthy? Is she a corporate powerhouse? Genetics?

I like my odds better playing tri-state powerball.

3) She likes me for M-E
She's not a "sugar orphan" looking for a new daddy warbucks. Again, I'm just the "black" guy next door. (That in and of itself is scary for some) I'm not a bodybuilder like Megabody or highly intellectual like Quinn. I'm not super rich and with the sea of guys willing to shout whatever a girl wants to hear, how can I expect to be heard?

I like my odds better playing McDonalds monopoly.

At the same time, hope costs nothing.

By being here there is the astronmically small possibility that some fecking TS girl with a happy smile and a big booty might look at my avatar and think "Hey, I remember that nintendo game and this guy doesn't seem completely emotionally retarded, I'm hot and I'll introduce myself via a private message!"

Then again I like my odds better waiting for space aliens to beam intergalactic porn onto my laptop.

But i don't know of a better way to meet a TS girl. At least here, if I don't meet her, I can enjoy the pics and get some good info on the TS community.

[RawNY]

Thank you for your thoughtful reply, Vicki.
However, that begs the question, where do transexual women go to relax and meet men who would like to know them in other than just a sexual way. I know that theremust have been some at Vapor, it is just hard to spearated them from their possee (no pun intended). If they dance together, sit together, the music booming ( and the music is good there, thank whoever the DJ id) how do you at least talk to them. But, then again, this is not so much different that meeting genetic women at a club.
So, back to my question, what other venues are there?
Is there a website which is more geared to social events, rather than parties?
Somewhere where TG and men who like them can chat in private or public, but chat abou tthings other than sex?
Can anyone suggest such a place?
Thanks

btw, I top, so, if you want to meet for a drink if y our in NYC, let me know :)

[RawNY]

Honda,
You worked at Gaity?

[TheOne1]

I mean really why don't you do something about it? This forum has become pic collectors heaven and the good guys who started this site have left. Megabody almost never posts. This isn't what it was. You guys can post pictures and fantasize, but there are real TS girls who want what you want. Most of you are chicken shit and scared to take what is there. Fuck those of you who fantasize about us but wouldn't risk loving us. Fuck the girls who are so jaded they won't give you a chance.

I want a love story. I want to hear a TS and a guy made it and it was real. I need that. I want to know that what my parents and grandparents can happen to me and my friends. You might want to jack off wishing her cock was deep inside you, but until you really say it and mean it, and

Vicki

what you call "real" ts or ggs dont goto porn sites (like this one) to look for something lasting or something with no money involved.. so why would you expect guys on here to look for anything on here other than material to j/o before the wife and kids come home..

and as for the ones that proclaim love to girls on here......thats stuff that nightmares are made out of....

screw you guys..im going home

[Trans_Lover]

most t-girls are hookers anyways, paying is for chumps

[hondarobot]

Good grief, how did this thread get brought back?

Congrats to djs, she's a very beautiful girl. And most ts girls are not sex workers, but so what if some are? A career is a career, why should sex work be any different then weaving baskets or whatever?

And relationships between guys and Tgirls deffinately can and do work out. A guy can't expect something for nothing, though. Every girl expects a guy to at least be a good provider for her, that's just natural.

[TheOne1]

and as for the ones that proclaim love to girls on here......thats stuff that nightmares are made out of....

:popcorn

[Fox]

I met my wife 12 months ago yes a TS. i went to the other side of the world just to be with her. im happy to say that it as never been about just sex, ive never felt as happy as i do with her everyday. we got married(cival partner
) in england this oct. and my family where all there my parents gave her away and my sister was maid of honour.

That's awesome man, congrats. :wink:

[peggygee]

Good grief, how did this thread get brought back?

Congrats to djs, she's a very beautiful girl. And most ts girls are not sex workers, but so what if some are? A career is a career, why should sex work be any different then weaving baskets or whatever?

And relationships between guys and Tgirls deffinately can and do work out. A guy can't expect something for nothing, though. Every girl expects a guy to at least be a good provider for her, that's just natural.

Actually, I am rather glad the thread got resurrected. :twisted:

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/oldthread.jpg

It has something for everyone, the topic of love,
which we ladies always like to discuss. And then
there's the topic of lust, that the guys - well you know :roll:

And while I don't personally know the lovely couple,
I am truly happy for them, and I wish them all the best 8)

Finally as to women wanting to be provided for. Well I would
want my mate to be gainfully employed , but since this isn't the
1950s and Wally and the Beav have left home, I think we are
capable of providing for ourselves.
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/leave_it_to_beaver_431_169.jpg

Boy, Womyns lib has been great :wink:

[wombat33]

So many of you want to suck my shecock and swallow everything that comes out of me... over and over every day of you lives. Don't you hate wishing and wanting? You want that feeling. You want to feel someone beautiful loves you.

Instead all of you are posting spam in here about meaningless "cum shots" or "big shemale cocks"... I mean what the fuck is that. You will just be fucking wanting it a year from now... 5 years from now... the rest of your lives.

I mean really why don't you do something about it? This forum has become pic collectors heaven and the good guys who started this site have left. Megabody almost never posts. This isn't what it was. You guys can post pictures and fantasize, but there are real TS girls who want what you want. Most of you are chicken shit and scared to take what is there. Fuck those of you who fantasize about us but wouldn't risk loving us. Fuck the girls who are so jaded they won't give you a chance.

I want a love story. I want to hear a TS and a guy made it and it was real. I need that. I want to know that what my parents and grandparents can happen to me and my friends. You might want to jack off wishing her cock was deep inside you, but until you really say it and mean it, and

Vicki


Well, I tried to have the real thing with a t-girl.

I had been to a bunch of escorts, then decided to get a t-girl escort.

I am a pretty good looking guy,

6'2" 225 lbs athletic build, buzzed hair, green eyes and an average package. Big strong and silent type.

The T-girl I was with was pretty, petite and a pleasure to be with. I was not closeted about it. Went out with her in public, took her to parties, wanted to bring her to my family reunion (she said no)

However, After months of being together, she started seeing younger, hotter spanish fly boys with monster cocks.

I was bummed, and did not want to stay in the relationship with her.


So the t-girl some times leaves for the LUST as well.


I post under the other section for a real meeting. I have not had one response.


Vicky, if you are reading this. WHat is your advice for a regular guy like me to find a t-girl for the real thing?

[Solitary Brother]

So many of you want to suck my shecock and swallow everything that comes out of me... over and over every day of you lives. Don't you hate wishing and wanting? You want that feeling. You want to feel someone beautiful loves you.

Instead all of you are posting spam in here about meaningless "cum shots" or "big shemale cocks"... I mean what the fuck is that. You will just be fucking wanting it a year from now... 5 years from now... the rest of your lives.

I mean really why don't you do something about it? This forum has become pic collectors heaven and the good guys who started this site have left. Megabody almost never posts. This isn't what it was. You guys can post pictures and fantasize, but there are real TS girls who want what you want. Most of you are chicken shit and scared to take what is there. Fuck those of you who fantasize about us but wouldn't risk loving us. Fuck the girls who are so jaded they won't give you a chance.

I want a love story. I want to hear a TS and a guy made it and it was real. I need that. I want to know that what my parents and grandparents can happen to me and my friends. You might want to jack off wishing her cock was deep inside you, but until you really say it and mean it, and

Vicki

Ok
First......
You look really "CUNT" in your avatar pic......like real "fish"......OVAH.
As far as "swallowing everything that come out of you"..........thats a very deep subject.
Your hella nasty and I am too as are most of these bastards on this board.
I love nasty freaky people.

There.......Im done!

[ragendude]

It was long before it became trendy to date transsexuals that I was
searching for her. I didn't really know who she was, but I knew she
was out there, somewhere. I had been involved with several
Transsexuals in the past but all of the relationships were strictly
based on lust and were very superficial. There were a lot of drugs
involved so emotions, no matter how we expressed them, were never
truly sincere coming from an intoxicated state of being. The sex was
good. Sometimes great but most of them were prostitutes and while I
have no problem with that, I wanted to find someone who wasn't high
all the time and turning tricks. I wanted a transsexual who was my
girl, my woman, who I could fall in love with, share my lust with
and know that there was a special bond that was ours. An intimacy
with passion that would supersede all that we had known before.
Yeah, I know I was dreaming pretty far fetched dreams but that is
what I was looking for, I didn't say I really expected to
find "her".

I found out early on dating Transsexuals that if you were a straight
man who was not ashamed to be seen in public with a TS, someone
confident enough to be secure in his sexuality, you could get almost
any TS girl you wanted. This was before the masses found out about
the best of both worlds, before the Brazilians had turned everybody
on to the ultra sexual appeal of trannys. And believe me back in the
day (we are talking 1990-1996) I was Babe Ruth out there knocking
them down one after another. I was unstoppable but I wasn't
satisfied. I wanted "her", and I was not going to stop until I found
her. So this of course meant a whole lot of test drives so to say.
You don't buy a car until you drive it, hell you don't buy a pair of
shoes until you tried them on for size and the same holds true for a
lover I guess. Some were awesome and we had an ongoing physical
relationship, others were hideous and I was looking for the exit as
soon as I got a good look at them in the light. None of them had the
total package of sexy, beautiful, kind and intelligent. At the time
I was frequenting one of the clubs that is still popular in Los
Angeles on Monday and Friday nights, Peanuts. Although it was quite
a different place back then. It had not become the brothel that we
all know today. Every girl wasn't turning tricks. The show was worth
watching with performers like Jasmyn, Linda Mendoza, and Viva Sex
when she was really Madonna's Favorite Madonna Impersonator and the
Glamorous Angela Shelby. Angela was always so elegant and sexy with
her thick lips and big eyes and I enjoyed hanging out at the bar
just talking to her or shall I say her talking me into buying her
and her friends another round of drinks. Gladly. On this particular
night I was at the bar just killing time clocking the girls and
seeing who was showing signs of interest in me, waiting to make a
move until I was sure that it was a sure thing. It was packed and
the crowd was to capacity. Suddenly in the sea of faces I see a face
that I had never seen before. Very angelic, almost glowing with a
beautiful smile and long black hair she moved through the crowd as
if she was floating. Her face seemed to standout from all the others
as her eyes stared deep into my soul, hypnotizing me with her very
presence. Closer and closer she was moving as if to speak with only
me. She finally came face to face with me and she touched my face
with her soft and gentle hand and simply said "Muy guapo papi". She
looked in my eyes for a moment and turned to Angela Shelby and
started to speak with her in Spanish. Angela told me that her friend
thought that I was very handsome. I told her to tell her friend that
she was Beautiful and I asked her what her name was. She said it was
Daniella. I offered to buy her a drink and she accepted and after
Angela said something to her she asked if I would buy her friend
Angela a drink as well. I agreed. We spoke to each other in broken
pieces of each others language barely able to communicate. She told
me she was from Guadalajara and she now lived in Downey. She seemed to like me so I asked her to go home with me but much to my surprise she declined. I tried to coax her into changing her mind but she
held fast. And before I knew it she dismissed herself, said maybe
another time, said goodbye to me and Angela and she was gone. I was
stunned and devastated.

For the next four days, until Friday I could think of nothing but
Daniella, all day, everyday. She consumed my every thought. I was in
a heartsick state all week, like when you have a crush on someone in
school and they show interest and then you have to go on vacation
with your family. All I wanted was another chance to see her. One
more opportunity to try and persuade her to spend some time alone
and maybe this would be it. It was her that I had been looking for
and I couldn't let her get away. The days seemed to go so slowly in
anticipation of Friday. I would go back to Peanuts; we would meet
again and live happily ever after right? Wrong. All that anxiety and
anticipation for our second meeting was in vain. Friday came and I
was there waiting looking at every face that walked by all night
long and she never appeared. Now I was heartbroken. All weekend long
I was sick from the disappointment. I even prayed to God if he would
just allow me one more chance to see her and then if she did not
want me I would accept it. Monday would not come soon enough.

It was a rollercoaster ride of a weekend. One moment consumed in
anxious anticipation of the chance of seeing "her" again, the next
absorbed in self-doubt feeling despair over the thought of her
perhaps not showing up ever again or if she did she wouldn't have
the same feelings for me that I h ad for her. Torturing myself for
the next three days would only end when the moment of truth finally
arrived. Monday night at Peanuts was here but where was she? Had I
wasted my time and emotional energy on an illusion that I and I alone had been a part of?

I arrived at Peanuts on my 1981 Harley Davidson Wide Glide. I had
discovered some time ago that no matter what problems or anxiety I
was experiencing, when I fired up the bike and let the wind take me,
all the stress was temporarily relieved and I was balanced once
again. I parked on the sidewalk in front of the Santa Monica Blvd
Mecca for those beauties of the third gender and soaked up the
attention that I obviously sought by owning the V twin never mind
putting it on display for each who entered to see. And as is typical
I received many comments and adulation, some girls expressed fear of
the very thought of ever sitting on a motorcycle, some men whispered
envious thoughts under their breath. I was putting my helmet up and
trying to decide whether to go with the bandana or not. I am a
musician who has played heavy metal for years so I am very
comfortable with the attention my hard edged sometime flamboyant
attire attracts. But tonight I was only trying to draw the attention
of "her", of Daniella. If she showed up. If God answered my prayers.
So I was trying to decide about the bandana when one of LA's semi-
celebrity TS, one of the Chanel Twins just so happened to be walking
by so I asked her. Bandana or no bandana? She quite attentively
looked at both styles and told me "With the Bandana! You look too
cool!" I thanked her and felt my self confidence grow and now I was
ready for the moment of truth.

As I entered the club, I scoped the room out for "her". Nothing. I
made my way to the far side of the bar where I had been standing
when I had met her the last time. I ordered a drink and waited
patiently all the time clocking every face to verify "her" presence.
And as I waited someone came up from behind me and tapped me on the arm. I turned to see who it was that wanted to distract me from my
purpose. It was a voluptuous TS that I had been dating on and off
for the last 6 months or so. Suzy was a fulltime prostitute and she
was proud of it. She was also tweeked out and proned to paranoid
delusion which at times brought on psychotic behavior. For this
reason I had been keeping my distance lately and a couple weeks
earlier explained to her that she was not my girlfriend and she
needed to stop stalking me. But she was one hell of a good fuck,
with a bombastic body 42DD-26-46 and a thick 10 inch cock.
Regardless of her physical attributes I was sticking to my position,
no more at least for a while. And besides I was here to find someone
else. Suzy stood there with a look of discontent and asked if she
could talk to me and I told her that I was busy and reminded her
that we already discussed this. I turned away from her. I knew she
was pissed off. Too bad.

It had started to look like my angel was not going to be here again.
I saw Angela and I asked her where her friend was and she told me
the girl wasn't really her friend. She only knew her from working at
the plaza recently. And then Angela asked me if I wanted to hook up
with her after the club closes. She said she had to work (some
parking lot off Vine St) but if I call her after 3:00am she will see
me for only $40. I told her I would think about it. My hopes were
starting to fade here as the clock approached 1:00am. I had just
about conceded to her not showing when out of nowhere, BAM, there
she was right in front of me. I was stunned and she said hello. I
said hello and asked her how she was and Daniella answered in broken
English that she had no car until one half hour ago. She had to
borrow her friend's car and she was almost unable to come. I told
Daniella I was glad she did. She said she came only to see me again.
I was floored. Wow. I told her that I had been thinking about her
all the time and was wondering if I would ever get to see her again.
When she didn't show up Monday I was thinking that she wasn't going
to be here Friday either. She informed me that she had to work in a
drag show on Mondays and she never came here on Mondays. I let her
know that I was happy she came tonight and I was hoping she would go
home with me. She said she was hoping I would ask her again. But I
had to follow her to her friends to drop off the car first. My heart
was beating so fast I was afraid I was being to assertive but it
really seemed like she liked me too.

I noticed the psycho TS Suzy clocking me from the dance floor. She
was on the stage and the entire song never took her eyes off me
talking to Daniella. I turned my back to her stares and I told
Daniella that this person was obsessed with me and asked her if she
saw someone that looked psycho walk up behind me to tell me.
Daniella looked a little confused and she asked me what I had just
said. I told her forget it. I asked her if she wanted a drink and
she said yes and could her friend (a little Mexican queen sitting at
the bar dressed like an Asian girl) could have one too. It was Melissa Delano whom I had talked with before many times, she was usually with Angela Shelby. I didn't know she was friends with Daniella but what the heck, sure.

Not long after I see Daniella staring at someone or something behind
me, and I feel a familiar tapping on my arm. I turned to face Suzy
with an evil look in her eyes. She asked me again if she could talk
to me for a moment. I sternly stated "No. I told you I was busy,
please leave me alone." She didn't like that answer. And to show me
she didn't like that answer she stepped back and like a pitcher in
baseball wound up and threw her empty glass in the direction of my
head. Fortunately I had quick reflexes and reverted to my martial
arts katas immediately reacting with a cross armed block that
deflected the glass away from me only to shatter on the floor. Suzy
stood there looking like she was challenging me to do something. She
even said "What are you gonna do now? Hit Me?" I looked around and
it was as if the whole bar had gone silent and was waiting for my
answer. I saw Daniella looking at me with intrepidness. I had to be
smart here. I wanted to just knock Suzy off her feet but that would
not solve anything. Other girls were egging me on to hit her but I
decided to go talk to security and informed the head security that
someone had just intentionally threw a glass at me and he needed to
do his job and 86 her ass.

As I walked back along the bar, which was still in a frozen moment
waiting to see what would happen next, with the Security behind me,
I ignored the people telling me to hit her. I approached Suzy and
waved goodbye to her and said "See ya". She laughed and asked me
what I was gonna do. The security asked her if she threw the glass
and she said yes she had. Then they asked her to leave and she
looked shocked and she said she wasn't leaving. She tried to walk
away but several of the Security guards quickly grabbed her and
walked her out while she struggled and yelled at me.

Daniella asked me what was that about and I said I don't know. She
was crazy. And I asked her if we could forget about that and start
where we had left off. She said ok. We talked for a little while
longer then we decided to leave. We dropped off the car and were off
to my place.

We spent the next 3 days in bed, even eating in bed. The first 2 days we didn’t even have sex, we just held each other, kissed and cuddled, talked and slept. It was perfect. I never wanted that feeling to end.
I fell in love with her and her with me. It felt like those times in High School when you meet a new girl and fall head over heels, the whole world revolving around her, consumed by infatuation that almost certainly in your wisdom has never been experienced before or since. And you also know that it won’t last long because through your past experience none of the relationships with that much passion last very long. It is like a meteor burning so hot and moving so fast that it cannot live for long. But it is amazing while it lasts. I had not experienced this kind of feeling in such a long time that it really didn’t matter to me how long it lasted. I had become rather skeptical and jaded over the years. After 2 marriages that started out full of passion and romance and ended with bitterness and contempt, and after having dated (fucked is more appropriate) strippers , groupies too many to count for almost 15 years even while married I had moved on to Transsexuals and had settled to the fact that there was no way that I could find romance and passion with a TS because their whole existence was revolving around sex, either they were prostitutes entirely or they had a way of disguising their activity but it still was basically the same. And I was fine with that, a person must do whatever they have to in order to survive. I had been dating, as boyfriend & girlfriend, a couple very well known “TS Escorts” in Hollywood over the past several years before meeting Daniella. So I wasn’t uninformed or caught in some fantasy I was chasing. I was fully aware of what the lifestyle of these girls entailed and accepted the bad with the good and never placed false expectations on the situations. But there was something different this time, at least I hoped there was. It seemed that my prayers had been answered. I needed someone that cared about me in my life. Someone who saw past the superficial hardened exterior and looked at my heart and not judge me for my mistakes of the past. Someone with a good heart who wanted someone who wanted them for more than just sex, more than just to fulfill a fantasy or curiosity. I started to believe that I had finally found that person. Many people have told me that you can never find a long term relationship with a TS. If it lasted 6 months that was considered a LTR. It is hard to find someone who is not hardened by the lifestyle of the TS world, who hasn't lost all moral integrity and who is capable of loving and being loved. Hard but not
impossible. Daniella and I stayed together for 6 years and I had
never before or most likely will never again fall so deeply in love
with someone. For the most part it was the most wonderful relationship I was ever involved with. In the first couple year(s) I was hers and she was mine and nothing could change that. I was always there when she needed me and her for me. I proved my dedication to her beyond what any man had ever attempted unashamedly taking on the responsibility to protect her in anyway I could. Since she was from Mexico and here without papers it was always an anxious time for her when she would return from Mexico, whether it was from a trip to Guadalajara for Cosmetic surgery that I sponsored or a funeral for her brother, it was I who would make sure she got across the border and got home safely. I would do the same for her TS friends and members of her family simply because she wanted me to. I never failed to successfully get them across, in fact I had done this maybe 20 times over several years before having any trouble. But due to the increased security it became tougher and eventually I was arrested and twice jailed due to the border crossings. But still I had successfully got the people across but I was arrested as they continued north. I knew the possible consequences when I agreed the first time so I accepted them without regret. As the relationship evolved the harsh realities of the lifestyle started to become too obvious to me. They had always been there but in the early days I didn’t want to see them so I was blind to them. And as much as I would like to think that I could have salvaged the relationship with a better job or more money the fact is I probably couldn’t have filled all the voids that would always be there. It came to be revealed that she had been seeing a couple of very wealthy men in the entertainment industry and while I think she was not in love with them, she did love the big money they had to throw at her. When it became too obvious and she got tired of lying and hiding it we had a period of angry bitter confrontations that we would both regret later. But it did not last long because I soon conceded to the fact that if this was her choice then so be it. I loved her no matter what, now and forever. And what she had given to me in terms of joy and happiness will always keep her in my heart. So I told her this and while I could not remain in a relationship with her, I would always be there for her. And if she was going escort I would like to see her make sure it was profitable enough to be worth the risk. I had a lot of experience with advertising and promoting from my days of playing in a fairly successful Heavy Metal Band and I showed her how the things we did in the band to promote ourselves could be applied to her line of work as well. She went on to be very successful and to this day is one of the most sought after girls in Los Angeles and throughout the USA thanks to the promotional campaigns I designed for her via the internet. And while all good things must come to an end the memories of her will never fail to put a smile on my face. We remain good friends and I know she loves me, and I will always love her but sometimes friendship is more important than romance. And in the words of William Shakespeare “tis better to have loved and lost then to never have loved at all” I agree….So there is romance and dreams do come true but even dreams take work to stay alive and sometimes the realities of the world we live in over power even the strongest love.. Good luck

[Deepdarkfucker]

Don't want to suck your shecock - but would love fuck you

[ottorocket]

I met my wife 12 months ago yes a TS. i went to the other side of the world just to be with her. im happy to say that it as never been about just sex, ive never felt as happy as i do with her everyday. we got married(cival partner
) in england this oct. and my family where all there my parents gave her away and my sister was maid of honour.


Congrats on your relationship... YOu two look like a great couple

[trannylover_york]

So many of you want to suck my shecock and swallow everything that comes out of me... over and over every day of you lives. Don't you hate wishing and wanting? You want that feeling. You want to feel someone beautiful loves you.

Instead all of you are posting spam in here about meaningless "cum shots" or "big shemale cocks"... I mean what the fuck is that. You will just be fucking wanting it a year from now... 5 years from now... the rest of your lives.

I mean really why don't you do something about it? This forum has become pic collectors heaven and the good guys who started this site have left. Megabody almost never posts. This isn't what it was. You guys can post pictures and fantasize, but there are real TS girls who want what you want. Most of you are chicken shit and scared to take what is there. Fuck those of you who fantasize about us but wouldn't risk loving us. Fuck the girls who are so jaded they won't give you a chance.

I want a love story. I want to hear a TS and a guy made it and it was real. I need that. I want to know that what my parents and grandparents can happen to me and my friends. You might want to jack off wishing her cock was deep inside you, but until you really say it and mean it, and

Vicki

On 25th of November this year I married my wife. She is a pre-op tgirl who may or may not ever have SRS. We are deeply in love. I believe that though many admirers are 'fantasists' there are some who can, and will, make good on the dreams of love in a genuine sense. But they are likely to be the ones who see past the 'girl with a cock' and see a person even if it is a sexy person.
I signed-up to this site to link with others and share thoughts. I'd like to know what's going on out there too. Admittedly, we both have an interest in some porn but not in the case of endless picture posts.

[RawNY]

Congratulations to you and your bride, djs. It gives us all renewed faith in the power of people to find each other. How wonderful it is that yourfamilies were there and supportive. Hope you post wedding pics and then on each anniversary.

[scroller]

Didn't see this thread the first time around. But that may be the wierdest, oddest, sexiest, most romantic thing I've read.


So many of you want to suck my shecock and swallow everything that comes out of me... over and over every day of you lives. Don't you hate wishing and wanting? You want that feeling. You want to feel someone beautiful loves you.

Instead all of you are posting spam in here about meaningless "cum shots" or "big shemale cocks"... I mean what the fuck is that. You will just be fucking wanting it a year from now... 5 years from now... the rest of your lives.

I mean really why don't you do something about it? This forum has become pic collectors heaven and the good guys who started this site have left. Megabody almost never posts. This isn't what it was. You guys can post pictures and fantasize, but there are real TS girls who want what you want. Most of you are chicken shit and scared to take what is there. Fuck those of you who fantasize about us but wouldn't risk loving us. Fuck the girls who are so jaded they won't give you a chance.

I want a love story. I want to hear a TS and a guy made it and it was real. I need that. I want to know that what my parents and grandparents can happen to me and my friends. You might want to jack off wishing her cock was deep inside you, but until you really say it and mean it, and

Vicki

[scroller]

It was long before it became trendy to date transsexuals that I was searching for her...

Dude, thanks for that. I'll remember it for a while.

[Mylon]

I respect women that are not whores. Escorting is merely another term for prostitution. TS girls use it to make money so they can turn themselves into little divas, which in turn lets them charge more for se... Err, I mean escorting. I appreciate the porn, but that's where my lust goes. I reserve love for the women that don't merely put out and are interested in more than simply my pocketbook.

You get from life what you put in. If you focus so much of your life on making yourself look pretty or charging for sex, you'll draw more and more shallow people that only care about that.

Looks matter, I won't deny that, but if that's the only thing you show, it affect how people will treat you.

[Tommy112277]

So many of you want to suck my shecock and swallow everything that comes out of me... over and over every day of you lives. Don't you hate wishing and wanting? You want that feeling. You want to feel someone beautiful loves you.

Instead all of you are posting spam in here about meaningless "cum shots" or "big shemale cocks"... I mean what the fuck is that. You will just be fucking wanting it a year from now... 5 years from now... the rest of your lives.

I mean really why don't you do something about it? This forum has become pic collectors heaven and the good guys who started this site have left. Megabody almost never posts. This isn't what it was. You guys can post pictures and fantasize, but there are real TS girls who want what you want. Most of you are chicken shit and scared to take what is there. Fuck those of you who fantasize about us but wouldn't risk loving us. Fuck the girls who are so jaded they won't give you a chance.

I want a love story. I want to hear a TS and a guy made it and it was real. I need that. I want to know that what my parents and grandparents can happen to me and my friends. You might want to jack off wishing her cock was deep inside you, but until you really say it and mean it, and

Vicki


I have to say that I have enjoyed your posts over the years Vicki even going back to your yahoo group but this is the stupidest thing I have ever seen. So in-between having and adult website and preforming in porn videos to the point of being named ts-performer of the year and escorting you are really looking for true love like your grandparents supposedly had? You turn yourself into a sex object to make money and now your pissed that guys are only interested in the “fantasy” of having sex with you. Well duh the reality is that you would never be in a relationship with most of your fans who fantasies about you even if they were willing to deal with the shit they would get for openly being in a relationship with a transexual because you like most women wether they are genetic or trans use the word “love” as a code word for what your really looking for which is a provider. You would never consider being in a relationship with a guy who made less than you. Look at the lengths to which you have gone to make money that is what is really important to you. You want some stiff to be a provider for you because you know you cant stay in the business your in forever or if you get srs your income would probably drop. There are plenty of guys who would probably deal with what ever they had to if they had a chance with you or a ts-like you but they know they will never ever get that chance because they will never make enough money for you. Hot chicks like money period. Donald Trump didn’t get all the hot chicks he has been with using his youthful good looks, great hair and wonderful personality NO he is and Old ego maniac with a fucked up comb over who has a lot of money.
Expecting men to want to be in a relationship with any woman now a days is pretty stupid what the hell would we get out of it what benefit is there to a man? You get the expectation of making more money the risk of losing more and paying more in a divorce and getting to only have sex with one women when she will let you.

[Kurdy M]

So many of you want to suck my shecock and swallow everything that comes out of me... over and over every day of you lives. Don't you hate wishing and wanting? You want that feeling. You want to feel someone beautiful loves you.

Instead all of you are posting spam in here about meaningless "cum shots" or "big shemale cocks"... I mean what the fuck is that. You will just be fucking wanting it a year from now... 5 years from now... the rest of your lives.

I mean really why don't you do something about it? This forum has become pic collectors heaven and the good guys who started this site have left. Megabody almost never posts. This isn't what it was. You guys can post pictures and fantasize, but there are real TS girls who want what you want. Most of you are chicken shit and scared to take what is there. Fuck those of you who fantasize about us but wouldn't risk loving us. Fuck the girls who are so jaded they won't give you a chance.

I want a love story. I want to hear a TS and a guy made it and it was real. I need that. I want to know that what my parents and grandparents can happen to me and my friends. You might want to jack off wishing her cock was deep inside you, but until you really say it and mean it, and

Vicki

Forget it Vicki, there are men who like transsexuals and men who don't.
The men who like them want to have sex with you, want to suck you cock, lick your ass, get fucked by you etc etc but when the sex is over do they want a realtionship with you? Probaly a few but the question is do you want them?
Then there are the men who are not into transsexuals, if they see you at first they might like what they see, maybe some of them will fall in love with you but the minute they find out what you are they are gone.
A good example here is Kelly who was in the Dutch Big Brother, no one knew she was a transsexual, she already made the transition. Ok she is tall over 6 ft but a lot a Dutch women are over 6 ft. In Big Brother she secuded a guy, the kissed in front of the camera and the guy was starting to fall in love with her. But when he found out...game over!!
I know Kelly very well, she lives close to me, she wrote a book about her transsexual life so far. Very very good looking girl but for her finding the right man is like mission impossible.

[Kabuki]

So many of you want to suck my shecock and swallow everything that comes out of me... over and over every day of you lives. Don't you hate wishing and wanting? You want that feeling. You want to feel someone beautiful loves you.

Instead all of you are posting spam in here about meaningless "cum shots" or "big shemale cocks"... I mean what the fuck is that. You will just be fucking wanting it a year from now... 5 years from now... the rest of your lives.

I mean really why don't you do something about it? This forum has become pic collectors heaven and the good guys who started this site have left. Megabody almost never posts. This isn't what it was. You guys can post pictures and fantasize, but there are real TS girls who want what you want. Most of you are chicken shit and scared to take what is there. Fuck those of you who fantasize about us but wouldn't risk loving us. Fuck the girls who are so jaded they won't give you a chance.

I want a love story. I want to hear a TS and a guy made it and it was real. I need that. I want to know that what my parents and grandparents can happen to me and my friends. You might want to jack off wishing her cock was deep inside you, but until you really say it and mean it, and

Vicki

Forget it Vicki, there are men who like transsexuals and men who don't.
The men who like them want to have sex with you, want to suck you cock, lick your ass, get fucked by you etc etc but when the sex is over do they want a realtionship with you? Probaly a few but the question is do you want them?
Then there are the men who are not into transsexuals, if they see you at first they might like what they see, maybe some of them will fall in love with you but the minute they find out what you are they are gone.
A good example here is Kelly who was in the Dutch Big Brother, no one knew she was a transsexual, she already made the transition. Ok she is tall over 6 ft but a lot a Dutch women are over 6 ft. In Big Brother she secuded a guy, the kissed in front of the camera and the guy was starting to fall in love with her. But when he found out...game over!!
I know Kelly very well, she lives close to me, she wrote a book about her transsexual life so far. Very very good looking girl but for her finding the right man is like mission impossible.

Kelly is beautiful, but she would tower over me :cry:

[RawNY]

Tommy112277
I agree with your sentiments if not your conclusion.
In addition, please get your ass to a dentist and, while you are there, read a book on punctuation, LOL
8)

[Kurdy M]

So many of you want to suck my shecock and swallow everything that comes out of me... over and over every day of you lives. Don't you hate wishing and wanting? You want that feeling. You want to feel someone beautiful loves you.

Instead all of you are posting spam in here about meaningless "cum shots" or "big shemale cocks"... I mean what the fuck is that. You will just be fucking wanting it a year from now... 5 years from now... the rest of your lives.

I mean really why don't you do something about it? This forum has become pic collectors heaven and the good guys who started this site have left. Megabody almost never posts. This isn't what it was. You guys can post pictures and fantasize, but there are real TS girls who want what you want. Most of you are chicken shit and scared to take what is there. Fuck those of you who fantasize about us but wouldn't risk loving us. Fuck the girls who are so jaded they won't give you a chance.

I want a love story. I want to hear a TS and a guy made it and it was real. I need that. I want to know that what my parents and grandparents can happen to me and my friends. You might want to jack off wishing her cock was deep inside you, but until you really say it and mean it, and

Vicki

Forget it Vicki, there are men who like transsexuals and men who don't.
The men who like them want to have sex with you, want to suck you cock, lick your ass, get fucked by you etc etc but when the sex is over do they want a realtionship with you? Probaly a few but the question is do you want them?
Then there are the men who are not into transsexuals, if they see you at first they might like what they see, maybe some of them will fall in love with you but the minute they find out what you are they are gone.
A good example here is Kelly who was in the Dutch Big Brother, no one knew she was a transsexual, she already made the transition. Ok she is tall over 6 ft but a lot a Dutch women are over 6 ft. In Big Brother she secuded a guy, the kissed in front of the camera and the guy was starting to fall in love with her. But when he found out...game over!!
I know Kelly very well, she lives close to me, she wrote a book about her transsexual life so far. Very very good looking girl but for her finding the right man is like mission impossible.

Kelly is beautiful, but she would tower over me :cry:

She is 6ft1 and that is tall.
In her book she describes her childhood were she was disgusted by her penis who only got bigger by the years.
She is a woman born in a wrong body.

[sbcroix]

I want a love story. I want to hear a TS and a guy made it and it was real. I need that. I want to know that what my parents and grandparents can happen to me and my friends. You might want to jack off wishing her cock was deep inside you, but until you really say it and mean it, and

Vicki

Read my post here...
http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?p=144900&highlight=#144900

We dated about 4 years, finally broke it off for a variety of reasons...

[peggygee]

So to re-iterate, I don't get a sense that most of the men here are either looking for a relationship, or have the skill set to acquire and keep one.

Truly, I am not trying to deliver a low blow, but rather inform males that are looking for a relationship that they may need to re-evaluate their tactics and strategies.

Well for me. I've only dealt with Genetic females. I don't seem to mesh in well with today's urban woman by any means.

I'm a geek. Through in and out and I don't see this part changing. I'm not the stereotypical Jaleel White from Family Matters. But, I am heavy into computers and gadgets. Not many genetic women are into this and couldn't care less about it. I don't play the corners like most of these "wanna be hustlers" and I'm not some thug or tuff guy or a baller with money to throw around on expensive vehicles and jewelery.

When I finally figured that it isn't going to work in my profile of a geek. I figured there has to be some alternative. Where I'm from, there are two types of females available;

*One's with children

or

*Conceited women.

I don't want kids, period. And, I'm trying to deal with some "chics attitude".

One thing both of these types of women have in common is they both want the same type of men. Thug,baller, hustler. I'm neither. You'll notice I have a few threads about books. Previous one here (http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=13534&highlight=).

I like to read and I've tried for long time to figure out what exactly they see in type of lifestyle. Have I contemplated? Yes. Most of my brothers have about 35 years of time total. So, I was brought up with the "hard body" approach to things. It's not the same for me because I'd rather not end up like the rest of them.

A third alternative of woman is available. Transsexual. I came across this forum by way of a google search where a thread about thugs and women turned up. (I believe the thread was by a member, Thuggish Intellect)

I seen a few cute faces posted (Jade, Akasha, Athena, Celeste.etc) and decided to register and stay. After being registered for a year now, I know that'll probably never work because of fact that most women I've seen posted tend to escort or are promiscuous. Which is something I'm not cool with since I've never participated in either.

I also notice I have very little interest of what is between their legs. Or, to say I'm no where close to anyones "Bottom" or a cock bandit. Never have and never will.

So, I'm back to square one trying to figure out what kind of female is available for me. I can probably be contempt with just being single. But, I'm getting to the point where something has to give. Whether it's GG or TS.

Do I have the skill to retain a relationship? I didn't know a skill was required. I don't think I should have to use a Tatic for a LTR. I mean, other guys use materialism to get the female they want. Some use the image of a thug.

Look in a better location? The population here is dense and various ethnic backgrounds. But, the mentality of the women seem to be all the same.

I was in an airport a few weeks back, waiting for a plane. I had my laptop out and was doing various things, work, surfing, etc.

So this guy comes by and comments on my laptop. We then start talking about laptops, dual-core processors, Vista the OS, smartphones, VOIP, and a variety of other 'techy' subjects.

We took a break from that for a while, and digressed to travel. We spoke about the countries that we had been to, and that we would like to go to.

We talked non stop for hours. What interested me in particular about this individual is that he was very intelligent, had a great sense of humor, and seemed to be a man of integrity. I found myself feeling giddy as a school girl :oops:

Then yesterday, on a totally different matter I found myself in a Borders bookstore for half the day. I meandered around the various sections, but spent the most time in the technology and travel sections, where I struck up mini conversations with various people.

Then too when I go to trainings, seminars, or conventions, I find many kindred spirits.

My point :roll:

Well, if you are looking for people that you have something in common with, then you should go where they are likely to be. And of course your odds of finding a transwoman in this sea pf people are slim to none. But at least you might meet a person with whom you have common interests.

And when you do meet this person, you most assuredly will need the interpersonal skills to engage them, and perhaps have a LTR result.

From what I have seen of you on this board, you appear to be a intelligent, sweet young man.

If I was a little younger or you a little older we might be talking about some peer to peer networking. :wink: cause you know I ain't down with client - server :lol:

[mrironknee]

I
Anyway, the discussion is whether TS can have a happy relationship, and I say, of course. However, any sex worker, TS or otherwise are in for a long difficult road if that is a goal.

I usually don't comment about these things, because I am one of those "unobtainable" married males who utilize this website for personal gratification, therefore, I am more part of the problem than the solution to this issue. I have had “encounters” with TS women, both escorts and not, but have no desire to “come out” with my love of the TS.
I do agree, however, that the ability for a TS to find love and a long term relationship is not an easy road. A good percentage of men attracted to TS women are in general “straight” men, and I think that these are also the men that TS women are attracted to as well. Outside of a small group of progressive thinkers, this attraction and/or coupling of a “straight” man and a TS is still considered a “gay” and therefore unacceptable union. A man risks being alienated from family and friends, as well as unaccepted in the business world (depending obviously on his vocation) if he is open about this type of union. This may not be fair, but it is unfortunately still true.
On top of that, the comment on the “Sex Worker” issue is also true. I understand that all women have past relationships, but as Vicki said, only a minute group considers past or current sex outside the relationship a turn on. In fact, to most it would have the opposite effect.
It is difficult for any person to find and sustain a long happy relationship, period. I sympathize with Vicki and all other TS women, because theirs is a longer road than most to find happiness.
To Vicki, in the short time I have been on this forum I think I have developed an appreciation of you as both a sex object and a person. You are everything a man could want in a partner, intelligent, witty, charming, and of course sexy as hell. I hope you find what it is you are looking for and that the man you choose really appreciates the catch he has made.

[peggygee]

I was in an airport a few weeks back, waiting for a plane. I had my laptop out and was doing various things, work, surfing, etc.

So this guy comes by and comments on my laptop. We then start talking about laptops, dual-core processors, Vista the OS, smartphones, VOIP, and a variety of other 'techy' subjects.

We took a break from that for a while, and digressed to travel. We spoke about the countries that we had been to, and that we would like to go to.

We talked non stop for hours. What interested me in particular about this individual is that he was very intelligent, had a great sense of humor, and seemed to be a man of integrity. I found myself feeling giddy as a school girl Embarassed

All that and you give up your number to him? Sigh....another geek rejected.




Well, if you are looking for people that you have something in common with, then you should go where they are likely to be. And of course your odds of finding a transwoman in this sea pf people are slim to none. But at least you might meet a person with whom you have common interests.

I understand what you mean. I've been to Barnes and Noble @ Prudential and Boarders Downtown Boston. It's very difficult for me to read outdated magazines though (they are outdated with info as they are a month behind internet). Even white women seem to be non-existent in this area for dating. Even the women in my IT department don't seem interested in that. Most of their boyfriends are the "tuff guys". I tried to search around RCC. But, let's just say that is not a place to meet women of interest.






If I was a little younger or you a little older we might be talking about some peer to peer networking. Wink cause you know I ain't down with client - server Laughing

Why should age matter? It's just a number anyway. There wouldn't be any packets loss once we get the pinging each other. :)


All that and you give up your number to him? Sigh....another geek rejected.

:) No darlin', I got 'da digits', I haven't called as I have been very busy.



I understand what you mean. I've been to Barnes and Noble @ Prudential and Boarders Downtown Boston. It's very difficult for me to read outdated magazines though (they are outdated with info as they are a month behind internet). Even white women seem to be non-existent in this area for dating. Even the women in my IT department don't seem interested in that. Most of their boyfriends are the "tuff guys". I tried to search around RCC. But, let's just say that is not a place to meet women of interest.

Yes that's a good start. And now comes the part about the
interpersonal skills, the ability to 'schmooze', to commiserate,
this is the part about engaging the woman. What seperates
or differentiates you from the pack. How are you different
from the other men that have hit on her that week. What
about you would make her consider having you in her life.

And when I say 'you', I am not referring to you specifically
but to any man that might read this.

Let me say this: back in the day men had rap, the gift of gab.

Today the young men think 'wassup', or 'yo shawty' will have
panties dropping to the floor. :smh http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/pant22.jpg :smh

Yeah that may work on the 'hood rat', but if you are stepping to a 'classy broad' you better bring your A game.


Why should age matter? It's just a number anyway. There wouldn't be any packets loss once we get the pinging each other. :)

Well I will concede this, you did score points with that. Very good
word play, intelligent, witty remark. And yes, I have a weakness
for smart, witty men, but as I have often said there are other
qualities I need in a mate, and these usually only come with life experience.

[Kabuki]

How are you different
from the other men that have hit on her that week. What
about you would make her consider having you in her life.

For the following;

<---Does NOT smoke.

Does NOT drink

Does NOT own a Television

Is NOT materialistic or obsessed with SUV's that have 24" Rims with 19" inch monitors that no one bothers to watch with Dora Dora the explorer.

Does NOT flaunt money

Does NOT shop @ Hip Zepi USA (http://www.hipzepionline.com/stores.php)

Does NOT have any kids nor will I ever

Has never Bottom nor will I ever

Has NEVER been promiscuous and very celibate.

Has come from minimum wage to the field of IT and back again.

Taught myself everything I know without schooling but still in school by way of society.

Been dealing with technology since Tandy's TRS-80 M3.

Very obsessed with urban fiction books by W. Clark and Chunichi.


Am currently reading Not every man's a Thug (http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?z=y&EAN=9781425944285&itm=1).



panties dropping to the floor.

Does NOT care nor want someones panties.

You need some friends on MySpace 8)

[DallasDoll]

I hope no one minds me delurking and dredging this topic back up because I was reading it with a lot of personal interest and was thinking about what to say, then the holidays happened. I don't type much online (which is why it took me a while to think about what to say), but here goes...

First of all, for the girls: where do you think you're going to find a successful, happy LTR? A webpage called Hung Angels? Possibly, but is it very likely? The guys here seem like a cross-section of guys in general - some nice, some not-so, but places like this are sex-, not relationship-oriented so it seems like the "all the wrong places" sorta thing.

Ok, so how about the real world. People meet lots of places - supermarkets, clubs, parks, shops, etc. But even if those chance encounters spark the interest to go out, get to know each other, etc, eventually comes The Talk. There are a few guys who, after resuscitation, are able to actually say "Ok, we can work around that", but they are *very* few.

So, where would you expect to meet a potential mate?


Ok, guys: First of all, same question as for the girls. Would you really expect to spark a LTR from a site like this? If not, then where would you look?

2) If you're interested in a relationship with someone here, then you're already narrowing your focus by a physical attribute. People do this all the time by preferring a certain hair colour, breast size, etc, but how would you deal with the fact that the attribute you're focussing on is one many of the women you're interested in are planning on doing away with? Does the "LTR" end with that?

3) I see a number of comments about the guy's possibility of being alienated, or losing friends/family if they find out about their preference. On the other hand, there are some who say that they'd be proud and open about their relationship. For those, how would you react to a relationship with someone who *didn't* want you to be "proud and open" but just as quiet about and protective of her past as she was? Would it be the same? Better? Or is having people know that you're into the "exotic" more important to you?


Anyway, these questions aren't meant to be judgemental, but are ones I have a genuine personal interest in. I'm old and cynical, but I think I'm like some here in that I have hope that there are some happy endings out there someplace. I came across this site by accident a while back, but have hung around since the conversation has often been way above the norm for such things, so would really be interested in your thoughts.

[lights]

I have been burned so many times not sure I believe in love anymore.

I will be the one wishing and wanting to suck shemale cock, because from being burned I admit I am too chicken to take the chance anymore.

[lights]

I have been burned so many times not sure I believe in love anymore.

I will be the one wishing and wanting to suck shemale cock, because from being burned I admit I am too chicken to take the chance anymore.

[vanished]

Personally, I like it when people disagree with me.

I think you left off a fourth kind of person on the board. The spammers. This has become more and more rampant. They come in and post a few hundred images relating to different nationality TS and/or body parts, and they are done for the day. What useless web site hawking bullshit is that?

Regardless, and not to lose the topic, I just feel that within the sex industry as a whole... I omitted the simple fact that even female pornstar sex workers struggle to maintain relationships. There is this double standard for a sex worker typically which says, "you can't fuck other girls, but I get to fuck everyone I want because that's my job". That is bullshit. If I have sex with a bunch of people, he can too. As long as neither of us brings any surprises home, I think that's fair.

There is a type of man I have found who finds it erotic that the girl he dates fucks other men while he remains faithful, and he might even want to watch. There are also men who don't care if their girl whores as long as it supports the household. However, if we want a typical family oriented household or the American relationship dream, neither of those are going to work.

Sex work is souless work. The people involved in it lose themselves somewhere and it becomes hollow. Girls come in here a lot complaining about the relationship thing or lack of ability to maintain something in that respect. However, TS outside of the industry do meet and maintain relationships sometimes. I guess for my own peace of mind, I want to know a TS girl in the sex industry can have a LTR. Am I forever tainted because of what I've done? Again, I view this as a sex worker thing almost more than a TS sex worker thing. I know a lot of porn girls, and none of them are in healthy happy relationships. In fact, they seem to have an even harder time because they are more recognizable by a larger male population.

V

Vicki

This whole thread you started is easily the most poignant, touching thread I've read on this site. I thoroughly enjoy the site but this is a heavy area that really needs to be touched upon. I had several relationships, which were loving, passionate and wonderful -= but always short-lived. I'm reminded of that wall that Travis Bickel runs into, in his own warped mind, where he falls in love with Iris, who is only a teenager just starting her adult street career. She doesn't want to be saved - he wants to save her and there is zero communication but both are hungry for a connection. It's that connection I've found so fulfilling with the beautiful tgirls I've known and that have changed my life. Perhaps one day I will find the right girl and she will find life with me totally satisfying. Bravo, Vicki, for your tres cool post.
V

[motodog69]

So many of you want to suck my shecock and swallow everything that comes out of me... over and over every day of you lives. Don't you hate wishing and wanting? You want that feeling. You want to feel someone beautiful loves you.

Instead all of you are posting spam in here about meaningless "cum shots" or "big shemale cocks"... I mean what the fuck is that. You will just be fucking wanting it a year from now... 5 years from now... the rest of your lives.

I mean really why don't you do something about it? This forum has become pic collectors heaven and the good guys who started this site have left. Megabody almost never posts. This isn't what it was. You guys can post pictures and fantasize, but there are real TS girls who want what you want. Most of you are chicken shit and scared to take what is there. Fuck those of you who fantasize about us but wouldn't risk loving us. Fuck the girls who are so jaded they won't give you a chance.

I want a love story. I want to hear a TS and a guy made it and it was real. I need that. I want to know that what my parents and grandparents can happen to me and my friends. You might want to jack off wishing her cock was deep inside you, but until you really say it and mean it, and

Vicki

[signupjustforthis]

I don’t know why so many guys think t girls only care about money. I seriously don’t care about money, I just want to live a simple life with a man I love.I hope it is not really too hard to find a job as a pre-op. I mean, I really wouldn’t want to get into sex work at all.

[olite71]

Even if you do fall for a TS they just don't believe it. Is it really that rare for you Ladies? Alot of guys are really very nice, but that's just not enough for a good ltr. It seems to me that the guys who "fall" tend to be very needy, are horrible listeners, and more infatuated than truely loving. They project so much onto you that it's unhealthy. I don't want to be a man's shrink or mother figure.


Precisely----and this in part stems from 100,000 years of evolution of men as the hunters in the society--when the hunt was over or a failure the men's minds went to jelly---but during the hunt the senses were keen---a useful adaptation when you need to hunt and catch food for survival. Foodwise, it's useless today--but the vestiges of the adaptation exhibit themselves in men's pursuit of sex---during the hunt--the chase--all keen all attractive--all deceptive to lure the prey...

And then when the prey is caught--or the relationship commences for the purpose of the analogy----mind turns to jelly, peevishness begins---and baby you become the psychiatrist.

Of course this is a simplistic generalization---but 100,000 years of biology cannot simply be dismissed by three decades of progressive thought and the invention of the cellphone.

[Moon]

Hi all

Just to add my penny's worth.

Not all TG girls I have met want money, in fact none of them. I have had 3 relationships with TS's over 18 years and have always found them to be fulfilling and loving. I have never made my partner into something I want them to be, and have accepted and loved them for who they are, not what they look like and they have done likewise, it is a pleasure to find love with someone who shares the same view of life as you do. Sometimes times are good and sometimes not, but the bond of love keeps you together. I have aways been proud of my partner and my family and friends accept the person who shares my life, again looking beyond the actual person and seeing they pleasure the relationship bring to us both.

I have not been on this site long but can see that it doesn't appear what was intended.

I also agree many here seem to be looking for a cheap thrill with posts like how big is yours, who is this person, etc. I guess some people need to grow up a little.

The posts I like reading some may find boring because I am not really interested in seeing pictures of cocks. There is more to a TG girl than her cock, to me it is the person inside that counts the most.

Yes sex is great but there is more to a relationship than sex. The person maybe the greatest lover in the world, but that count for nothing if they are useless at forming and contributing to a relationship.

My previous relationships have always been on equal terms and decisions have been made jointly after careful discussion, never one sided.

So Girls..... us men are not all the same, some of us are looking for friendships on mutual ground, where we can talk about how our days have been, the weather, whats going on in the world. Subjest many may find uninteresting, but life is about sharing the boring things as well as the more interesting

I hope many of the girls here find friendships like that, and if they blosom into something more all the better.

Thats my penny's worth anyway

Take care all

Moon

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Even if you do fall for a TS they just don't believe it. Is it really that rare for you Ladies? Alot of guys are really very nice, but that's just not enough for a good ltr. It seems to me that the guys who "fall" tend to be very needy, are horrible listeners, and more infatuated than truely loving. They project so much onto you that it's unhealthy. I don't want to be a man's shrink or mother figure.


Precisely----and this in part stems from 100,000 years of evolution of men as the hunters in the society--when the hunt was over or a failure the men's minds went to jelly---but during the hunt the senses were keen---a useful adaptation when you need to hunt and catch food for survival. Foodwise, it's useless today--but the vestiges of the adaptation exhibit themselves in men's pursuit of sex---during the hunt--the chase--all keen all attractive--all deceptive to lure the prey...

And then when the prey is caught--or the relationship commences for the purpose of the analogy----mind turns to jelly, peevishness begins---and baby you become the psychiatrist.

Of course this is a simplistic generalization---but 100,000 years of biology cannot simply be dismissed by three decades of progressive thought and the invention of the cellphone.

Great reply and read olite71. And so TRUE! ;)

~Kisses.

HTG

[burnera]

I've never been a part of the whole sex worker world. So i can't make any comments about that. Hell i've never even been to a strip club.

I've gone out with a lot of people.
One thing is for sure: Dating is very difficult.
Not just for me, but for everyone!

There's so many stupid variables and emotion that goes into the whole thing. It's pretty frustrating.
So none of us are alone on that front. Don't ever feel like you're the only person in the world who can't find a decent partner.

[supertrack9999]

I've been looking for the right ts girlfriend for over a year. I haven't found the one yet for a ltr. I'm a fairly young good looking guy who makes a decent living. So I don't think I would have much of a problem. I just need to be sure the one I find isn't in the relationship to use me for my money.

[swingplus]

So many of you want to suck my shecock and swallow everything that comes out of me... over and over every day of you lives. Don't you hate wishing and wanting? You want that feeling. You want to feel someone beautiful loves you.

Instead all of you are posting spam in here about meaningless "cum shots" or "big shemale cocks"... I mean what the fuck is that. You will just be fucking wanting it a year from now... 5 years from now... the rest of your lives.

I mean really why don't you do something about it? This forum has become pic collectors heaven and the good guys who started this site have left. Megabody almost never posts. This isn't what it was. You guys can post pictures and fantasize, but there are real TS girls who want what you want. Most of you are chicken shit and scared to take what is there. Fuck those of you who fantasize about us but wouldn't risk loving us. Fuck the girls who are so jaded they won't give you a chance.

I want a love story. I want to hear a TS and a guy made it and it was real. I need that. I want to know that what my parents and grandparents can happen to me and my friends. You might want to jack off wishing her cock was deep inside you, but until you really say it and mean it, and

Vicki

OK, Vicki, Here's your love story. I met Robin about a year ago, when I was still married and living with my wife. We were swingers and so was Robin, so it was just a sex get together. We had a wonderful time, and I became very fond of Robin and kept in touch. In the succeeding months the marriage went south, and so did the wife. Robin came to town to visit me one weekend, then another and another..... We came to be closer and more of a couple very quickly. Next week she is moving in with me and I have asked her to marry me as soon as my divorce is final.

So, Yes!, there are real love stories out there; not just cock fantasies and pictures. I got the brass ring and feel that I am the luckiest guy in the world.

[southern81]

hey Vicki heres the thang some of us live in small city in no where areas. i mean unless you live in big citys like houston, dallas, Baton Rouge New orleans your kind of fucked. which i'm not really complaining i love living in southwest Louisiana we have the best food and parties