The latest noxious US export - the war on LGBT+

[filghy2]

Two recent stories from different countries on the same theme - extremists threatening LGBT events on the pretext of protecting kids. As usual, these people take their cues from the US and copy their methods.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/22/british-extremists-us-right-family-drag-shows-children
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-21/conspiracy-theorists-far-right-groups-target-pride-events/102496042

In many cases the response has been to cancel events on safety grounds, which I think is unfortunate because it will just encourage more intimidation.

I realise most HA members just want to be left to fiddle while Rome burns, but do you really think your hobby will never be affected if these people are allowed to have their way?

[Stavros]

Two reports from today in the NYT and the Telegraph, concern a North Korean defector who thinks the 'woke' US is even worse than North Korea -the woman is clearly on a mission as she has been going on about this for years- this is from 2021


"A North Korean defector said she viewed the US as country of free thought and free speech – until she went to college here.Yeonmi Park attended Columbia University and was immediately struck by what she viewed anti-Western sentiment in the classroom and a focus on political correctness that had her thinking “even North Korea isn’t this nuts.”
“I expected that I was paying this fortune, all this time and energy, to learn how to think. But they are forcing you to think the way they want you to think,” Park told Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/us/north-korean-defector-ivy-league-nuts). “I realized, wow, this is insane. I thought America was different but I saw so many similarities to what I saw in North Korea that I started worrying.”
North Korean defector slams 'woke' US schools (nypost.com) (https://nypost.com/2021/06/14/north-korean-defector-slams-woke-us-schools/)

Has she been 'disappeared' or arrested for criticising the USA? I don't think so. She has been free to campaign for her brand of Christian activism since she arrived. She claims at Colombia she attended classes where Jane Austen was described as a 'racist and a bigot' though according to Wikipedia she studied Economics there. It also points out that

"Park first visited North America (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_America) in 2013 with a Christian mission, going to Houston (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston), Texas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas); San José (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Jos%C3%A9,_Costa_Rica), Costa Rica (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Costa_Rica); and Atlanta (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlanta), Georgia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_(U.S._state))., Park moved to New York City (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City) in 2014 to complete her memoir while continuing to work as an activist."
Yeonmi Park - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeonmi_Park#United_States)

How many people fleeing tyranny in their country have found their version of freedom in the US, free to be straight, gay, Christian, Transgendered? It's not that bad a country, even with the attempt to 'cancel' the cultures that made it.

Do students of aeronautical engineering attend lectures on the construction of aeroplanes from the point of view of Black Lives Matter?

Today's lecture on inflation will be given from a Gendered perspective, if you are offended by the augmentation of figures please alert the teacher.

[natina]

This does Not help the LGBTQ .... Cause

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https://twitter.com/Amalgham/status/1672806284385550343?s=20


https://twitter.com/petenet321/status/1672958214948679681?s=20


https://twitter.com/Real_RobN/status/1672420591733972993?s=20

[GroobySteven]

This does Not help the LGBTQ .... Cause

Videos Listen to the Audio



https://twitter.com/Amalgham/status/1672806284385550343?s=20


https://twitter.com/petenet321/status/1672958214948679681?s=20


https://twitter.com/Real_RobN/status/1672420591733972993?s=20

Why not?
Freedom of speech.

[Stavros]

Why not?
Freedom of speech.

And it is important because the arguments being made against LGBTQ+ and Trans people in particular, is not based on fact, but an astonishing ability to re-define terms -set aside the Biblical references to Sodom and Gomorrah, here from last weekend in the US is Josh Hawley identifying the greatest threat to the US-

"“a new Marxism that is rising in this country”, one that tells Americans, among other things: “That there’s no such thing as male and female, that there are not two genders. There’s 2,000 genders and it tells our children that the way God made them is wrong.”“These new Marxists want to give America a new religion. They want to impose on us the religion of woke. It is the religion of transgenderism, critical race theory and open borders multiculturalism, and they are shoving it down our throats,” Hawley said."
After Roe’s overturn, Republicans target trans rights using extremist rhetoric | Republicans | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/26/republicans-target-trans-rights-extremist-rhetoric)

Marxism is now just a term of abuse, designed to scare Americans who assume it has an agenda to change everything they believe in. There may be some Marxists who believe there are 2,000 genders but I doubt it, in fact, Marxists tend to be rigid in their perceptions of social reality, most serious Marxist thinkers -eg, Habermas- rejecting the post-structuralist, post-modern narratives of Michael Foucault and Jacques Derrida, a debate lost on Hawley and most people anyway.

More crucial is the way that the debate Hawley shapes it, does not reach back to 1776 and the Bill of Rights, or indeed to the very concept of Rights in society. His problem is that neither the Bill of Rights nor the Constitution of the US limits Rights to American citizens -they all have the same Rights, something that the 14th Amendment confirmed. Hawley and people like him need to explain why the Constitutional guarantee of equal rights suddenly does not apply to Transgendered Americans, or the parents of Transgendered children. Why their Free Speech needs to be curtailed, but not his.

But he has no real interest in Marxism; he doesn't know in fact what Critical Race Theory is or tries to do; he targets Multi-Culturalism as if it were a poison eating away at the insides of the USA, instead of being the social DNA of the country since Jamestown and probably before it.

It is an attempt to re-define what the United States is, by turning its back on the ideals of the Revolution, and the texts that the Revolutionaries created in the hope that the US would be different from Europe. Consider Trump's claim over the weekend that he had an 'absolute right' to retain the classified documents that he did, when the one thing the Constitution was determined to do was to ensure nobody in the US, including the President had an 'absolute right' to anything.

Free Speech: free to talk rubbish. But rubbish that must be exposed for what it is by those who truly believe in the USA. And note that the people who want to change everything call themselves Conservatives -but conserving very little of what has been created since 1776.

[mildcigar_2001]

Why not?
Freedom of speech.


"Most time, a man will tell you his bad intentions if you listen, let yourself hear."

[filghy2]

"Most time, a man will tell you his bad intentions if you listen, let yourself hear."




A few people chanting something is obviously evidence of a wide-ranging secret conspiracy. You don't think maybe they were just mocking people like you?

[filghy2]

"Most time, a man will tell you his bad intentions if you listen, let yourself hear."

When it comes to quotes, this one seems very relevant to you:

“The things people choose not to say often reveal far more about them than the things they choose to say.”

[jerseygirlangie]

Virgin Atlantic Tells Cabin Crew That They Can Only Wear Gender Neutral Uniforms On Flights to Just Two Countries (paddleyourownkanoo.com) (https://www.paddleyourownkanoo.com/2023/06/24/virgin-atlantic-tells-cabin-crew-that-they-can-only-wear-gender-neutral-uniforms-on-flights-to-just-two-countries/)


A spokesperson explained that ongoing risk assessments are conducted across the airline’s destinations which take into account “laws and attitudes towards the LGA spokesperson explained that ongoing risk assessments are conducted across the airline’s destinations which take into account “laws and attitudes towards the LGBTQ+ community”.
As part of those risk assessments, the airline has reportedly concluded that it is only safe to apply the new gender identity uniform policy on flights to the United States and Israel.

Draw your own conclusions .

[Stavros]

A spokesperson explained that ongoing risk assessments are conducted across the airline’s destinations which take into account “laws and attitudes towards the LGA spokesperson explained that ongoing risk assessments are conducted across the airline’s destinations which take into account “laws and attitudes towards the LGBTQ+ community”.[/COLOR]
As part of those risk assessments, the airline has reportedly concluded that it is only safe to apply the new gender identity uniform policy on flights to the United States and Israel.
Draw your own conclusions .


This is a more accurate quotation from the link-
"A spokesperson explained that ongoing risk assessments are conducted across the airline’s destinations which take into account “laws and attitudes towards the LGBTQ+ community”."As part of those risk assessments, the airline has reportedly concluded that it is only safe to apply the new gender identity uniform policy on flights to the United States and Israel. On flights to all other destinations, including across the Caribbean, Africa and India, cabin crew must wear a uniform that matches the gender recorded in their passport."

I don't get get, as trouser suits have been common for female staff for a long time. It has nothing to do with gender but being a practical form of dress, particularly for long haul flights. If anything, female staff should not wear skirts or dresses or whatever, and female staff on Emirates and Ettihad have to cover their hair as far as I recall, and why should the homophobic bigots of Africa and the Caribbean determine what cabin crew wear?

Maybe Richard Branson should stop sucking up to Middle East dictators and tell them where to shove their prejudices.

[mildcigar_2001]

A few people chanting something is obviously evidence of a wide-ranging secret conspiracy. You don't think maybe they were just mocking people like you?

Their chanting is an example of what I call joking/not really joking.

I currently work in healthcare, and noticed this phenomenon several years ago. I would notice it when chatting with and accessing patients. Some patients (especially those with alcohol problems) will make a "joke" about needing a drink. The truth is that even though it was said in a joking manner, these folks would really "need" a drink. Hence, joking/ not really joking.

I think the chant of "we are coming for your children," while said (chanted) as a joke, is in fact the underlying reality.

Other than teaching general health classes the schools should stop with the gay/trans indoctrination (especially in the lower grades).

[Stavros]

Other than teaching general health classes the schools should stop with the gay/trans indoctrination (especially in the lower grades).

What is 'gay/trans indoctrination'? Details required. And how is a teacher to answer a student in third grade who asks the question 'Miss, what is gay?'.

[filghy2]

I think the chant of "we are coming for your children," while said (chanted) as a joke, is in fact the underlying reality.

Only if you start off with the assumption that they are groomers and choose to interpret everything as confirming that assumption.

Your inference from the alcohol jokes example is a logical fallacy. Obviously, making jokes about needing a drink does not prove a person is an alcoholic. In any case, I doubt that many actual paedophiles would draw attention to themselves by making jokes about it.

[Luke Warm]

I think the chant of "we are coming for your children," while said (chanted) as a joke, is in fact the underlying reality.

Other than teaching general health classes the schools should stop with the gay/trans indoctrination (especially in the lower grades).

Are you joking? OMFG, they are mocking dumb people like you, and you are too dumb to even know it.

Do you want to fight against “groomers” and sexual predators? You can start by targeting your efforts towards the Catholic Church (literally thousands of real, actual cases of grooming and sexual abuse), the Boy Scouts of America (hundreds of cases of real, actual grooming and sexual abuse) and child beauty pageants (which actually sexualize children). But that might take some actual effort on your part, and not just casually trolling online.

There is no “gay/trans indoctrination”. You’re anti Sex Ed. You don’t think that young people should learn about sex, but that’s exactly when Sex Ed should (and typically does) start. If you wait until young people are in High School to teach Sex Ed, it’s already too late. Teenagers fuck, that is a fact of life. Sex Ed actually PROTECTS young people from predators, because they understand what boundaries predators are trying to violate. All this information I’m telling you here is well documented and considered standard practice by professional educators. All you’re doing is parroting some bullshit you read on Breitbart, or whatever source you’ve limited yourself to.

If you think trans people are so toxic, WTF are you doing here?