Trump's war on the "Tranny Cult" promises

[natina]

Trump Claims Radical Left ‘Invented’ Transgender People, Vows to Ban Them From Existing


In a recent campaign video posted to Trump’s social networks, he unveiled what he called his “plan to stop the chemical, physical and emotional mutilation of our youth.”

“The left wing gender insanity being pushed in our children is an act of child abuse, very simple,” Trump begins.

He then launches into a screed about how “minor children” are being operated on willy-nilly all over the country, which is not the case. “Can you believe this?” he says at one point, which only serves to underscore that anyone listening to him should, in fact, not.

He also says that his department of education will require teachers to promote the nuclear family and “the roles of mothers and fathers and celebrating rather than erasing the things that make men and women different and unique.”

Make no mistake, Trump (or, rather, whoever wrote this for him), is echoing the right-wing claim that teachers are part of a left-wing plot to destroy heterosexuality and cisgender existence merely by acknowledging that not everyone is heterosexual or cisgender.

And listening to Trump talk about “celebrating” anything about women is especially galling coming from someone who has trafficked in sexism and misogyny his entire personal and professional life. Some of us haven’t forgotten the many credible accusations of sexual assault against Trump or when he was caught bragging about committing sexual assault on tape.

“I will ask Congress to pass a bill establishing that the only genders recognized by the United States government are male and female, and they are assigned at birth,” he says.

If Republicans regain control of the U.S. Senate (remember, they currently have a narrow majority in the U.S. House) and win the presidency (whether it’s Trump or any other Republican) this bill is as good as passed. And a right-wing packed Supreme Court will be more than happy to uphold it.

“No serious country should be telling its children that they were born with the wrong gender, a concept that was never heard of in all of human history,” Trump continues. “It was all when the radical left invented it just a few years ago.”

This is, of course, not true or historically accurate, but then again it is coming from the guy who believes he is still rightfully president and told us that Covid would just “go away” like “a miracle.” Here’s hoping he just goes away. That would be a miracle.



https://pridesource.com/article/trump-claims-radical-left-invented-transgender-people-vows-to-ban-them-from-existing/

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[Stavros]

Natina, you should add the quotation marks in your posts to show you didn't write it.

[natina]

Like this
"
people still can not change their sex.
#TransIsALie
#TranswomanAreConMen

"

This is what the far right have been up to

[filghy2]

I'm sure mildcigar will pop up to explain how this is not transphobia, just a necessary response to stop the radical trans agenda.

It does make this old thread a bit of a sick joke. http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?99116-Trannies-for-Trump

[natina]

Trump on " the Tranny cult " solution

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?112544-Trump-s-war-on-the-quot-Tranny-Cult-quot-promises

https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/02/23/donald-trump-trans-2024/


https://transequality.org/the-discrimination-administration

[bryanferryfan2]

Maybe there should be a bill passed making it hard for him to fuck his daughter and almost abort another

[filghy2]

It looks like Trump and De Santis are having a bidding war to see who can appeal most to transphobes.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/florida-republicans-trans-kids-parents-bill-b2323714.html
"SB254 — which one former lawmaker has called "fascist" legislation — would allow the state to rip children from their parents when they are "at risk" or "subjected" to gender-affirming health care. The bill is written so that even a child of Floridian parents living out of state could trigger the law.
HB1521 is the state's restroom bill, which prohibits businesses from utilising gender-inclusive bathrooms.
SB1438 empowers the state to take punitive measures against businesses that host LGBTQ friendly shows or drag performances. It also gives the state the power to prohibit minors from attending events it deems "inappropriate." Minors will be barred from events even if their parents consent, a policy that flies in the face of Governor Ron DeSantis’ educational agenda that favors parental consent to an extreme degree."

[mildcigar_2001]

Trump sounds fairly reasonable as far as proposing legislation on minors transitioning.

A good number of other countries have already put the breaks on child sex changes.

Children and young teenagers are way too immature to make life altering decisions (such as getting castrated, getting their breasts chopped off). There is a reason that we don't allow minors to do certain things, and that is because at that age they often times don't really see the ramifications of their actions.

I don't see the reason to rush to mutilate children in the name of "Trans Rights." I don't care if the young teen wants to dress or act as the opposite sex, but children are not mature enough to make these decisions. Especially when research shows that 80-90% of non-gender conforming teens are eventually able to acclimate to their birth sex.

I think a lot of young teens with mental illness latch on to being Trans because it the current "in" thing. I think this is particularly prevalent in some young females (there seems to be a clustering effect, i.e. one friend becomes Trans so several other girls in the friend group also decide that they are Trans). The is a similar effect with teens and suicide. If one high school teenager kill themself, often times several more pea-brained teens also decide that killing themselves is a good idea. Why don't we work on the teens underlying mental illness prior to mutilating them?

Look at the recent interview of Jazz Jennings if you want an example of a child who was rushed into things, and ended up with a poor outcome.

I will add the caveat that if you are 18 or older, and still think you would be happier as the opposite sex, then by all means feel free to become a transsexal, and do whatever you want to your own body. I think adult transsexual are mature enough to make these decisions.

[filghy2]

Children and young teenagers are way too immature to make life altering decisions (such as getting castrated, getting their breasts chopped off). There is a reason that we don't allow minors to do certain things, and that is because at that age they often times don't really see the ramifications of their actions.

I don't see the reason to rush to mutilate children in the name of "Trans Rights."

Except that this isn't happening. These issues have been discussed in depth already.
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?112232-Charlamagne-Tha-God-rejects-activists-using-%91transphobic%92-label/page13

It's not true that children are being surgically altered willy nilly. It's not true that they can access these treatments without parents' (and doctors') agreement. The laws being enacted in Republican states go well beyond surgery to blocking all forms of gender-affirming care. Also, in some states the age limit is 21, not 18.

https://19thnews.org/2022/10/transgender-healthcare-adults-limit-restrict/
https://www.modernhealthcare.com/government/states-anti-trans-bills-legislative-session-texas-utah-tennessee

[filghy2]

Look at the recent interview of Jazz Jennings if you want an example of a child who was rushed into things, and ended up with a poor outcome.

When Jazz Jennings had SRS she was less than 4 months short of her 18th birthday, which is the age you say you are happy for people to make their own decisions. It's hard to believe that waiting a few months would have made any difference. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jazz_Jennings

I don't think minors should be having irreversible surgery but, as I said, the push to ban gender-affirming care goes way beyond that.

[Moister]

It seems like the same politicians saying that minors shouldn't have irreversible surgery are the same ones saying that minors should be forced to give birth

[Stavros]

A good number of other countries have already put the breaks on child sex changes.
-- Which ones?

I think a lot of young teens with mental illness latch on to being Trans because it the current "in" thing. I think this is particularly prevalent in some young females (there seems to be a clustering effect, i.e. one friend becomes Trans so several other girls in the friend group also decide that they are Trans). The is a similar effect with teens and suicide. If one high school teenager kill themself, often times several more pea-brained teens also decide that killing themselves is a good idea. Why don't we work on the teens underlying mental illness prior to mutilating them?
--This paragraph is in need of clarity -is gender anxiety a form of mental illness? If teenagers are contemplating suicide, what is the family context in which this is happening? We don't know and you offer no depth to your argument.

As for maturity, this week two people were shot at when the ball the child was playing with landed in someone else's yard and the owner 'naturally' got out his gun; a cheerleader gets into the wrong car: another gunshot. A young man calling at a house, the wrong house, to get his brother, is shot with a gun.

Give it some thought: mature adults ' have guns, will use guns' vs teenagers with gender anxiety. Which of the two qualifies for the 'lunatic' category?

[filghy2]

Give it some thought: mature adults ' have guns, will use guns' vs teenagers with gender anxiety. Which of the two qualifies for the 'lunatic' category?

You know what his answer will be


This is why we have a 2nd Amendment and concealed carry laws!

[filghy2]

I think mildcigar's post was as notable for what he did not say as for what he said.

What does it say about someone who claims to be trans-sympathetic when they express no concern about people claiming that transsexuality is essentially a left-wing plot to undermine the heterosexual family? What does it say when they are unwilling to criticise someone who says that the government should recognise only peoples' birth gender?

It's an interesting study in cognitive dissonance.

[mildcigar_2001]

I think mildcigar's post was as notable for what he did not say as for what he said.

What does it say about someone who claims to be trans-sympathetic when they express no concern about people claiming that transsexuality is essentially a left-wing plot to undermine the heterosexual family? What does it say when they are unwilling to criticise someone who says that the government should recognise only peoples' birth gender?

It's an interesting study in cognitive dissonance.

I suppose that there are all sorts of nuts (right and left) claiming all sorts of things which I don't take the time or trouble to condemn.

I personally don't believe that transexuality in general is a plot to bring down the nuclear family.

However when activists are pushing "progressive" sex education in kindergarten, it makes me wonder what their ultimate goal is with this type of indoctrination. It smacks of "grooming" to me.

American schools need to focus on the 3 Rs ("reading, 'riting, and 'rithmetic"), and leave it at that.

[Stavros]

However when activists are pushing "progressive" sex education in kindergarten, it makes me wonder what their ultimate goal is with this type of indoctrination. It smacks of "grooming" to me.

American schools need to focus on the 3 Rs ("reading, 'riting, and 'rithmetic"), and leave it at that.



You need to offer detailed evidence to prove that 'activists' are 'pushing "progressive" sex education in kindergarten'. At what age in the US do children attend sex education classes, is it the same in every State, who draws up the curriculum, who monitors teaching with regard to the materials used as well as the actual teaching, and what do you mean by an 'activist'?

It is crucial because for a long time there has been, in my mind a deliberate conflation of 'description' with 'promotion'.

For some people, notably in the UK Conservatives and 'Evangelicals' Christians, merely talking about Homosexuality in the classroom was equivalent to promoting it. Indeed, when Margaret Thatcher was Prime Minister, her Government introduced a clause, Section 28 in a law governing education provided by Local Authorities that made it illegal to 'promote' Homosexual relations as part of sex education, where only Heterosexual relations could be allowed in the classroom.
Moreover, allegations that Homosexuality was being promoted confused the training materials for teachers with what students actually saw, the most notorious being the pamphlet Jenny Lives with Eric and Martin, being the tale of a small girl living with two gay men. The law was eventually repealed c2000, and attitudes have changed, but as Tony Benn said in the House of Commons at the time-
""... if the sense of the word "promote" can be read across from "describe", every murder play promotes murder, every war play promotes war, every drama involving the eternal triangle (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_triangle) promotes adultery...""
Section 28 - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_28)

So I am sceptical about the claims that are made about sex education in the US which is why proof is required that 'Pornographic Material' is being shown 'to Kinds' and let's not confuse Renaissance Art and Sculpture with pornography. This may be the means whereby in the US so-called Conservatives and Christian Evangelicals weaponize education as part of a broader campaign against same-sex relations, and the increasingly toxic attitude towards Trans issues in general, and Trans issues with under-18s in particular, but nobody is benefiting from these campaigns.

So please don't just make claims, offer supporting evidence.

[filghy2]

I suppose that there are all sorts of nuts (right and left) claiming all sorts of things which I don't take the time or trouble to condemn.

We are not talking about some extraneous issue here - it was the headline point in the post you responded to.

I don't understand your mental process. Evidently, you want to be perceived as sympathetic to trans, yet you are reluctant to make even modest gestures that would support that. It would hardly take any time and trouble to preface your remarks with something like "I don't agree with the sort of rhetoric Trump is using on trans, but....".

[filghy2]

However when activists are pushing "progressive" sex education in kindergarten, it makes me wonder what their ultimate goal is with this type of indoctrination. It smacks of "grooming" to me.

You mean things like this? Regardless of the merits, describing it as "grooming" seems hysterical.
https://www.npr.org/2022/09/12/1121999705/sex-education-school-kindergarten

Also, the hallmark of most of these recent measures is that they extend well beyond the problem that they claim to be addressing. For instance, the "Don't Say Gay" legislation in Florida has been extended to grade 12. It's a classic bait and switch strategy. Start by focussing on some issue that you think will attract most public sympathy, then use it as a wedge to drive a much broader restrictive agenda.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/23593369/ron-desantis-florida-schools-higher-education-woke

This is another good example. Start by saying drag shows should not be performed for young kids, then use it as a pretext to ban any public drag performance.
https://time.com/6260421/tennessee-limiting-drag-shows-status-of-anti-drag-bills-u-s/

[mildcigar_2001]

I don't see the logic (other than for grooming purposes) for exposing young children to sexualized shows.

To my mind it is creepy for men (who dress up as women and get a sexual thrill from said dressing up) to be performing for young children.

If you want to put on Drag Shows for adults that is fine, but leave the kids out of it.

[Fitzcarraldo]

I don't see the logic (other than for grooming purposes) for exposing young children to sexualized shows.

To my mind it is creepy for men (who dress up as women and get a sexual thrill from said dressing up) to be performing for young children.

If you want to put on Drag Shows for adults that is fine, but leave the kids out of it.

What makes you think the shows are sexualized? They don't do the same shows for kids that they do for adults.

[Stavros]

I don't see the logic (other than for grooming purposes) for exposing young children to sexualized shows.

To my mind it is creepy for men (who dress up as women and get a sexual thrill from said dressing up) to be performing for young children.

If you want to put on Drag Shows for adults that is fine, but leave the kids out of it.

Would you stop children from watching Punch and Judy shows? It's not as if the violence is accidental or soft, it is deliberate and vicious.

[filghy2]

To my mind it is creepy for men (who dress up as women and get a sexual thrill from said dressing up) to be performing for young children.

Somebody definitely needs to do something about all those weird characters dressing up in wigs and makeup and hanging around children.
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