Why there aren't anymore so many scenes where Tgirls fuck guys?

[lexer]

I see that almost all video production companies don't film anymore scenes where Tgirls fuck guys and I don' t understand why... I see a lot of videos where guys fuck Tgirls and also where Tgirls fuck other Tgirls or genetic girls but not so many videos like in the past where Tgirls top men.
Someone can explain?

[holzz]

really? since when? to be fair i see mainly onlyfans or manyvids and not actual studio stuff.

[lexer]

I'm saying the same thing! Here are around a lot of onlyfans and manyvids stuff but NOT videos from production companies like some years ago..

[MrFanti]

There are tons of them out there. Grooby and Kink both have sites dedicated to this.

[filghy2]

Evil Angel and Pinko Tgirls also put out plenty of these scenes. How about some concrete evidence form the OP - which are the companies that were previously putting out these scenes that have stopped doing them?

[lexer]

What is Grooby website dedicate to this stuff? In the past there was shemale from hell... But now?

[lexer]

Evilangel don't have anymore so many scenes of this stuff

[GroobySteven]

What is Grooby website dedicate to this stuff? In the past there was shemale from hell... But now?

Renamed to https://www.braziltgirls.xxx/tour/

You'll also see more of this content for us at BobsTgirls.com

Why don't we do more? Simple. Most trans girls prefer to bottom.

[filghy2]

Evilangel don't have anymore so many scenes of this stuff

The latest Evil Angel release (Trans-Active 5) has 3 scenes out of 6 in which tgirls top guys, so they are still doing plenty. It is probably true that there is less TS porn being released overall than there was a few years ago, but that's a different matter.

[corbindallas]

I agree that it's fallen off. Groobys hardcore content is a lot of girls bottoming but no flip-fucking. Their last 30 hardcore is chicks just bending over for "King Epicelus". Boring. As for Kink (.com), that is a very particular kind of girls-on-top scene. Even that site has switched to girls bottoming a lot.

I get that girls in real life may prefer to bottom, but being paid to do a scene is also a job, right? It's not about fulfilling your own fantasies so much as the people paying to see what they want.

I think that top girls being massively successful on OF is proof people want to see that. So maybe Grooby should find girls to do these kind of scenes again, or professionals can step up to the task? Sorry but OP is right.

[MrFanti]

Most trans girls prefer to bottom.
IMHO, that's part of the point of being transgender....hence why some go through the full SRS.....

[corbindallas]

IMHO, that's part of the point of being transgender....hence why some go through the full SRS.....

Right, but the fantasy of a woman topping is still good porn. I don't enjoy it in REAL life, mighty uncomfortable, but I like the FANTASY of it. In the real world it's so rare as to be impossible that you'd meet a woman who could and would fuck you in the ass. So it's a badass niche in porn IMO.

The OP is correct that this content has fallen off, particularly from Grooby.

[lexer]

Yes, I can understand that is difficult find tgirls that really like top men, but I think that not all tgirls love be only bottom, tgirls that like to top men are less then bottom but they exist!

[lexer]

IMHO, that's part of the point of being transgender....hence why some go through the full SRS.....
But there are also a lot of non-op tgirls that don't want SRS

[MrFanti]

But there are also a lot of non-op tgirls that don't want SRS
Yes but the numbers don't lie as GroobySteven said himself - most prefer to bottom.

[filghy2]

I think both sides to this argument are missing the point. The market for porn, like any other market, depends on both demand (what customers want and what they are willing to pay) and supply (what the providers are willing to do and for what price).

We have some people here saying that the only thing that matters is what the customer wants. We have others saying that the only thing that matters is what the performers want. Both are wrong because it depends on both.

Even if most tgirls prefer to bottom, many of them would be prepared to top if they could make more money that way. However, that depends on their being enough customers willing to pay the price. If there is not as much of this material being produced as some people would like, that probably just means there are not enough people who share their preference and are willing to pay for it. I doubt that the industry is simply choosing to ignore a lucrative profit opportunity.

Her endeth the Economics 101 lesson.

[collector171]

I think both sides to this argument are missing the point. The market for porn, like any other market, depends on both demand (what customers want and what they are willing to pay) and supply (what the providers are willing to do and for what price).

We have some people here saying that the only thing that matters is what the customer wants. We have others saying that the only thing that matters is what the performers want. Both are wrong because it depends on both.

Even if most tgirls prefer to bottom, many of them would be prepared to top if they could make more money that way. However, that depends on their being enough customers willing to pay the price. If there is not as much of this material being produced as some people would like, that probably just means there are not enough people who share their preference and are willing to pay for it. I doubt that the industry is simply choosing to ignore a lucrative profit opportunity.

Her endeth the Economics 101 lesson.

When I end a subscription to a site I am not asked a specific question like not enough topping by girls. So when I join a site I will download some of the other scenes which may be where the data is coming from but I tend to leave sooner because of lack of specific content. I have spent thousands on pay sites and not once is there a why are you leaving question that specific about the content.

I deleted a lot of content by mistake off of my NAS so rejoined a bunch of sites and re acquired a lot of content.

Although Pinkos does a lot of top scenes I am not as attracted to a lot of the girls and most the scenes are the same formula which gets boring plus they let a lot of the older content go away or they didn't own it or sold it.

I guess my question is how do the sites know what I like or don't like when I am never surveyed on that type of data. All I can do is think they make assumptions based on what is downloaded. I know when I look at a site I try to see how much, if any content is the girl topping the guy.

I do know Steven recently asked on the VR site what we like and don't like and I ignored because I figured it would be the same answer we see here but I guess I will answer now.

I was taught a longtime ago to survey customers that buy from you why they buy and why they stay. It was key to helping us focus sales pre internet explosion and really made trade shows work with a few key quick qualifying questions. The hardest thing to know is why someone doesn't buy a product.

I recently bought a VR headset and the Grooby VR was the first VR site I subscribed to. I will say that in VR I do like some of the girls that are bottoming more because of the reality of the scene.

For the most part for me the fantasy is better in VR, it feels like you can touch the girl and she is right there up close and personal, some whisper in your ear.

I bought the occulus quest 2 and the accessories really add up; I ordered prescription lenses because my glasses are to tight inside the headset, I ordered a custom head strap and ear buds and charger.

Using the DLNA app I watch non VR porn because you are closer so its better in VR.

[Fitzcarraldo]

Even if most tgirls prefer to bottom, many of them would be prepared to top if they could make more money that way.

Going off on a tangent here, but that is one of the things that tends to increase dysphoria. Many transwomen decrease or stop taking hormones to earn money by topping, contrary to their actual desires.

[filghy2]

Going off on a tangent here, but that is one of the things that tends to increase dysphoria. Many transwomen decrease or stop taking hormones to earn money by topping, contrary to their actual desires.

Okay, but we are talking about adults making their own choices. Wouldn't they be best placed to judge whether any effects on their wellbeing are worth the extra money?

I'd say that most people work in jobs that don't fulfil their actual desires. It would be nice if everyone could be paid for doing what they like, but it's never going to happen.

[Fitzcarraldo]

Okay, but we are talking about adults making their own choices. Wouldn't they be best placed to judge whether any effects on their wellbeing are worth the extra money?

I'd say that most people work in jobs that don't fulfil their actual desires. It would be nice if everyone could be paid for doing what they like, but it's never going to happen.

Very few trans performers get into the business for "extra" money. It tends to be the only avenue open to them for employment. And they're stuck doing what others want to earn money.

I have a job that I don't like and that doesn't pay well, but that doesn't make me feel sick about who I am. It's a very different situation for transwomen.

[dimdim]

I see that almost all video production companies don't film anymore scenes where Tgirls fuck guys and I don' t understand why... I see a lot of videos where guys fuck Tgirls and also where Tgirls fuck other Tgirls or genetic girls but not so many videos like in the past where Tgirls top men.
Someone can explain?Tgirl fucking a guy scene like when a guy sucks a tgirl scene to me and many i think are only good when they show the tgirl cumming hands free with the perfect camera angle always focused on the tgirl, her face and her cock and the sound and face she makes at orgasm.

[filghy2]

Very few trans performers get into the business for "extra" money. It tends to be the only avenue open to them for employment. And they're stuck doing what others want to earn money..

I was talking about girls choosing to do topping scenes for extra income rather than just sticking to bottom scenes. I assume even solo masturbation scenes might be problematic for dysphoria.

What are you actually proposing in terms of the TS porn industry? If they stopped doing topping scenes that would hardly be helpful if the girls depend on this work for money.

[Fitzcarraldo]

What are you actually proposing in terms of the TS porn industry? If they stopped doing topping scenes that would hardly be helpful if the girls depend on this work for money.

I'm not proposing anything. I prefaced my first comment by saying it was a tangent. But you seem determined to rationalize why girls should do topping scenes. Don't they get paid the same to do bottoming scenes?

[filghy2]

Going off on a tangent here, but that is one of the things that tends to increase dysphoria. Many transwomen decrease or stop taking hormones to earn money by topping, contrary to their actual desires.


I'm not proposing anything. I prefaced my first comment by saying it was a tangent. But you seem determined to rationalize why girls should do topping scenes. Don't they get paid the same to do bottoming scenes?

Even if they get paid the same rate per scene they earn more income by shooting more scenes. Your already said yourself that they do scenes they would rather not do for financial reasons. If they are not earning more income by doing so then why on earth would they doing it?

[Fitzcarraldo]

Even if they get paid the same rate per scene they earn more income by shooting more scenes. Your already said yourself that they do scenes they would rather not do for financial reasons. If they are not earning more income by doing so then why on earth would they doing it?

Q.E.D.: "But you seem determined to rationalize why girls should do topping scenes."

They earn income by shooting scenes. My initial comment was about why the performers aren't interested in shooting such scenes. I'll refer you back to a comment on the first page:


Why don't we do more? Simple. Most trans girls prefer to bottom.

Why aren't you grilling him?

[filghy2]

Going off on a tangent here, but that is one of the things that tends to increase dysphoria. Many transwomen decrease or stop taking hormones to earn money by topping, contrary to their actual desires.


They earn income by shooting scenes. My initial comment was about why the performers aren't interested in shooting such scenes. I'll refer you back to a comment on the first page:


Why aren't you grilling him?

That is not what you said, so quit trying to move the goal posts. I'm only grilling you because you keep coming back with illogical responses that contradict what you said previously. No wonder are stuck in a lousy job.

[filghy2]

Q.E.D.: "But you seem determined to rationalize why girls should do topping scenes."

Incidentally, recognising that something happens in reality does not mean rationalizing it. That is just a loaded term you use to try to paint yourself as more virtuous.

Let me just sum up what you seem to be arguing:

If you say it's a terrible thing that some tgirls choose to top just for financial reasons then you are a virtuous person, even though you admit that you have no solution to avoid this necessity.

If I say yes it may be unfortunate but it's their choice, and there's no easy solution as they would have less money if they didn't do it, then I am a heartless bastard who just wants to rationalize the situation.

But is there any practical difference between these positions other than you wanting to think yourself more virtuous?

Did I miss anything?

[filghy2]

I guess my question is how do the sites know what I like or don't like when I am never surveyed on that type of data. All I can do is think they make assumptions based on what is downloaded. I know when I look at a site I try to see how much, if any content is the girl topping the guy.

I can't speak for the industry's market research practices, but I guess they know what the response has been to different types of scenes previously. That's the main way most business do it - if something is popular supply more of it and if it's not so popular supply less of it. Apart from the VR example, we are not talking about new products where there's no previous experience to go on. I don't think customer surveys are a universal thing - I can think of many businesses I've dealt with that have never ask me to do surveys.

I'm pretty confident the TS porn industry is not an exception to the rule that if there's money in something then someone will try to provide it. People generally respond to economic incentives, including transsexuals (regardless of whether some folks find it objectionable to say that).

[collector171]

I can't speak for the industry's market research practices, but I guess they know what the response has been to different types of scenes previously. That's the main way most business do it - if something is popular supply more of it and if it's not so popular supply less of it. Apart from the VR example, we are not talking about new products where there's no previous experience to go on. I don't think customer surveys are a universal thing - I can think of many businesses I've dealt with that have never ask me to do surveys.

I'm pretty confident the TS porn industry is not an exception to the rule that if there's money in something then someone will try to provide it. People generally respond to economic incentives, including transsexuals (regardless of whether some folks find it objectionable to say that).


Well If I buy a DVD they know I am interested and if I buy more they have a real good idea. But when you subscribe and download and the content is sparse then they are either making assumptions based on number of downloads by how the scene is tagged or categorized. is my assumption.

My point is when you unsubscribe they ask why but the content questions are generic like not enough or not new enough

I guess they just rely on the number of downloads per scene and how it's categorized or tagged.

[MrFanti]

Q.E.D.: "But you seem determined to rationalize why girls should do topping scenes."

They earn income by shooting scenes. My initial comment was about why the performers aren't interested in shooting such scenes. I'll refer you back to a comment on the first page:


Why aren't you grilling him?


:iagree::werd:

[GroobySteven]

The OP is correct that this content has fallen off, particularly from Grooby.

That's incorrect.
We've never shown as many scenes with trans girls topping cis-men, as cis-men topping trans women.

[GroobySteven]

I agree that it's fallen off. Groobys hardcore content is a lot of girls bottoming but no flip-fucking. Their last 30 hardcore is chicks just bending over for "King Epicelus". Boring. As for Kink (.com), that is a very particular kind of girls-on-top scene. Even that site has switched to girls bottoming a lot.

I get that girls in real life may prefer to bottom, but being paid to do a scene is also a job, right? It's not about fulfilling your own fantasies so much as the people paying to see what they want.

I think that top girls being massively successful on OF is proof people want to see that. So maybe Grooby should find girls to do these kind of scenes again, or professionals can step up to the task? Sorry but OP is right.

I think you are talking shite. Which site are you a member of?

[GroobySteven]

When I end a subscription to a site I am not asked a specific question like not enough topping by girls. So when I join a site I will download some of the other scenes which may be where the data is coming from but I tend to leave sooner because of lack of specific content. I have spent thousands on pay sites and not once is there a why are you leaving question that specific about the content.


Every time you cancel one of our sites, you get an email asking if there was anything we could have done to make you happier, or keep you longer. That's exactly the place for you to leave this sort of feedback and we respond to it all. It's not that we're against shooting trans women topping, but we prefer to do shoots which are authentic and what the girls really want to do. That's why the strongest Tgirls.Porn scenes are where the girls are really into other girls, and super hot for the girl they're matched with - usually the girls work it out, and approach us. We've had a number of recent shoots on BlackTgirls.com with the girls topping guys.

[GroobySteven]

Very few trans performers get into the business for "extra" money. It tends to be the only avenue open to them for employment. And they're stuck doing what others want to earn money.

I have a job that I don't like and that doesn't pay well, but that doesn't make me feel sick about who I am. It's a very different situation for transwomen.

I disagree. That may have been 20 years ago, but it's not now. The majority of trans women I know and see in porn, do it because they WANT to do it.

[GroobySteven]

A few recent scenes (or coming soon)

[Fitzcarraldo]

I disagree. That may have been 20 years ago, but it's not now. The majority of trans women I know and see in porn, do it because they WANT to do it.

I was referring specifically to trans performers shooting scenes where they top a man. I was staying on topic.

[collector171]

Every time you cancel one of our sites, you get an email asking if there was anything we could have done to make you happier, or keep you longer. That's exactly the place for you to leave this sort of feedback and we respond to it all. It's not that we're against shooting trans women topping, but we prefer to do shoots which are authentic and what the girls really want to do. That's why the strongest Tgirls.Porn scenes are where the girls are really into other girls, and super hot for the girl they're matched with - usually the girls work it out, and approach us. We've had a number of recent shoots on BlackTgirls.com with the girls topping guys.

a Few times I forget to cancel until I see the bill for the next time period so sometimes Grooby Customer service will allow me to move to another site, and in that case I don't think I get an email. Every other non Grooby site that uses epoch or cc bill has the generic why did you leave with canned answers.

Before the girls started coming to you with what they wanted to do did you base content on number of downloads /dvds sold? Just Curious

Thanks

[filghy2]

I was referring specifically to trans performers shooting scenes where they top a man. I was staying on topic.

It's clear that Steven's statement was intended to include that category.

QED Fitz, it's time to let it go

[bulldogtuck]

I can’t wait to see Jade Venus top!

[corbindallas]

I think you are talking shite. Which site are you a member of?

None currently. That's the point. I've been putting my money elsewhere. I rarely ever see the hardcore content I want, just what I stated above. Not sure how I'm talking shite when all one has to do is go through the update pages on a grooby site and it's all chicks bottoming I literally went to tgirls.xxx just now, going back to September there is 22 girls bottoming scenes vs 2 girls topping. 22 vs 2! To pretend there isn't a massive disparity is just a joke. Also want to point out neither of the top scenes are english speakers.

So what's the point of me joining? I'll get half a scene every month. You say there never was many top scenes but I disagree. Top scenes used to represent a larger piece of the pie. I watched things play out, hoping the hottest performers would eventually do some top scenes but it hasn't materialized.

[corbindallas]

I can’t wait to see Jade Venus top!

Agreed. I'm glad to see that, but one scene every 3 months isn't enough for me to join or be some continuous member.

[GroobySteven]

None currently. That's the point. I've been putting my money elsewhere. I rarely ever see the hardcore content I want, just what I stated above. Not sure how I'm talking shite when all one has to do is go through the update pages on a grooby site and it's all chicks bottoming I literally went to tgirls.xxx just now, going back to September there is 22 girls bottoming scenes vs 2 girls topping. 22 vs 2! To pretend there isn't a massive disparity is just a joke. Also want to point out neither of the top scenes are english speakers.

So what's the point of me joining? I'll get half a scene every month. You say there never was as many top scenes but the point is the number of bottom scenes has grown insanely while top scenes represent a way smaller piece of the pie anymore.

Did you go to BlackTgirls and count them? Or BrazilianTranssexuals?

If you're talking about GroobyGirls then that site has almost always had far more scenes of the men topping, the same goes for Tgirls.xxx. Your comment about Epic was the shite you were talking.

So corbindallas (or anyone who is complaining there isn't enough content);

If there was a site with one scene a week featuring trans girls topping men (majority of them US performers);

a) How much would you pay a month for access.
b) How many months would you commit to right now? 3 month, 6 month? Continuous?
c) What would the perfect site have in it for in terms of models, scenes, etc. ?

[corbindallas]

Ok, just to prove the point of this entire thread - for shites and giggles - I decided to tally the past years HC on tgirls.xxx
45 scenes of girls bottoming
4 scenes of girls topping

So, less than 10% top scenes, and about 1 every 3 months.

[GroobySteven]

a Few times I forget to cancel until I see the bill for the next time period so sometimes Grooby Customer service will allow me to move to another site, and in that case I don't think I get an email. Every other non Grooby site that uses epoch or cc bill has the generic why did you leave with canned answers.

Before the girls started coming to you with what they wanted to do did you base content on number of downloads /dvds sold? Just Curious

Thanks

You'd def. get an email. It may be going to spam (esp. if you're on Yahoo).

That's a good question.
Content was and still is based on a number of factors. We wouldn't put any two models together if one wasn't a seller.
In terms of why we do far more girls as bottoms, when we started (and thus grew) our intention was always to present girls as girls, and how they wanted to be seen. At the same time, there was over-loaded competition in girls fucking men (Kink, nearly all the Brazilian out-put, lot's of the US DVD output at the time), and also my personal preference is to see the girls bottom. We've had sites with the girls topping (Transexdomination, BrazilTgirls (previous known as ShemalesFromHell), etc. When girls come along who ask to top, and we have male performers into that, then we'd shoot them - but I'm well aware that GroobyGirls and Tgirls.xxx is far more girls as bottoms. Having just taken over the ownership and running of BobsTgirls.com we'll direct more males as bottom content there, as it works in the makeup of that site.

We've considered for years to put out a site that features trans topping guys but for various reasons not gotten around to it. I don't want to start mixing it in with GroobyGirls or Tgirls.xxx as those sites work extremely well in their current format, so we're giving what those members want and switching it, may drive some of them away.

So my question on the post before this ...

[GroobySteven]

Ok, just to prove the point of this entire thread - for shites and giggles - I decided to tally the past years HC on tgirls.xxx
45 scenes of girls bottoming
4 scenes of girls topping

So, less than 10% top scenes, and about 1 every 3 months.

That's been answered already. You never mentioned that you were only counting Tgirls.xxx in your original post, but stated 'Grooby' which is a whole production company.

[corbindallas]

Did you go to BlackTgirls and count them? Or BrazilianTranssexuals?

If you're talking about GroobyGirls then that site has almost always had far more scenes of the men topping, the same goes for Tgirls.xxx. Your comment about Epic was the shite you were talking.

So corbindallas (or anyone who is complaining there isn't enough content);

If there was a site with one scene a week featuring trans girls topping men (majority of them US performers);

a) How much would you pay a month for access.
b) How many months would you commit to right now? 3 month, 6 month? Continuous?
c) What would the perfect site have in it for in terms of models, scenes, etc. ?

Ok, if a significant majority of them are english speaking, I'm into this.
A) I'd pay the going grooby rate
B) I'd commit 6 months right away with the goal of staying continuously.
C) okay so a perfect, yet hopefully realistic tgirls topping site would be: 1 HC a week, maybe 2+ solo sets a week for some good fill during the week(radius is the man).
In terms of models, I honestly think of english speaking hung tgirls. Models that come to mind are Aspen Brooks, Casey Kisses, Brooklyn Roberts, Penny Tyler, Ella Venus, Chelsea Marie, Angela Longcock, Raven Babe, Salina Samone, Kayla Biggs, to name some off the top of my head. They're all well hung, most of these have done top scenes. There's also legendary tops like Jessy Dubai, Venus Lux, Vanity, Yasmin Lee. It would be cool to have a legend update once and a while haha. Also, just all the biggest names out there currently moving forward. Right now names like Jade Venus, Daisy Taylor or Emma Rose are hot. But could even debut girls on there.

I appreciate you asking. I'd definitely pay for a site that featured something like this, if it makes sense.

I think a site focused on top tgirls / hung tgirls for solos would be great content I'd stay with all the time. I would want to see tgirls topping guys mostly as There's already dedicated tg on tg content elsewhere.

[GroobySteven]

Ok, if a significant majority of them are english speaking, I'm into this.
A) I'd pay the going grooby rate
B) I'd commit 6 months right away with the goal of staying continuously.
C) okay so a perfect, yet hopefully realistic tgirls topping site would be: 1 HC a week, maybe 2+ solo sets a week for some good fill during the week(radius is the man).
In terms of models, I honestly think of english speaking hung tgirls. Models that come to mind are Aspen Brooks, Casey Kisses, Brooklyn Roberts, Penny Tyler, Ella Venus, Chelsea Marie, Angela Longcock, Raven Babe, Salina Samone, Kayla Biggs, to name some off the top of my head. They're all well hung, most of these have done top scenes. There's also legendary tops like Jessy Dubai, Venus Lux, Vanity, Yasmin Lee. It would be cool to have a legend update once and a while haha. Also, just all the biggest names out there currently moving forward. Right now names like Jade Venus, Daisy Taylor or Emma Rose are hot. But could even debut girls on there.

I appreciate you asking. I'd definitely pay for a site that featured something like this, if it makes sense.

I think a site focused on top tgirls / hung tgirls for solos would be great content I'd stay with all the time. I would want to see tgirls topping guys mostly as There's already dedicated tg on tg content elsewhere.

It would be difficult to do a site like this which includes exclusive solo content also. A hardcore shoot we can get to a website for about $3000. A one-off solo set would add about another $1500, or a two set shoot (like most Grooby) would be about $900 per set. It would increase the budget by too much and we have outlets for other sites.
Absolutely would only be trans girls with guys.

Created a new topic - let's take the discussion there: http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?110672-Should-Grooby-Do-a-Trans-Girls-Topping-Guys-Website-Have-your-say

[MrFanti]

Very few trans performers get into the business for "extra" money. It tends to be the only avenue open to them for employment.
I have to disagree with you here and agree with Grooby Steven as well.
I know quite a few Trans Women with "real jobs" - some making very good money.

[Fitzcarraldo]

I have to disagree with you here and agree with Grooby Steven as well.
I know quite a few Trans Women with "real jobs" - some making very good money.

Well, the source for my info is just what I've heard several transwomen say, so I yield to you guys.

You've all won me over. All transwomen should top on camera all the time. It's the only logical course of action.