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blahblahblah
10-24-2006, 08:52 PM
And what we've got here is a god damned motherfucking fagot who's obviously trying to become TS just in order to enjoy sex with some naive straight men.

Well, fuck you dude! Burn in hell. You're NOT what a TG is, a TG is a
woman trapped in a male body, she's NOT some freaking feminine gay.

Eeewwww.

fitz207
10-24-2006, 09:10 PM
You're NOT what a TG is, a TG is a
woman trapped in a male body, she's NOT some freaking feminine gay.

Eeewwww.

I agree 1000% McManaman.

jowwor
10-24-2006, 09:24 PM
No need to be rude, guys... "Becoming a tranny" is nothing you do to pull men... Do you feel like a woman, or are you basically comfortable as a man?

I have feminine gay friends, and they have no problems getting guys... But some gay guys feel an urge to act more feminine because they identify with women on some level... Others have more feminine traits, but still act "as men"...

My friends belong to that last category...

You seem like a charming guy... I hope you find someone. I don't think you're transgendered, just not entirely certain about your gender identity...

Everything is not black and white...

Good luck! :)

-Q-

chefmike
10-24-2006, 09:47 PM
:popcorn

BeardedOne
10-24-2006, 10:06 PM
And who's to say EVERY transsexual is a transsexual for the right reasons?

<Ponder> Yet, this really isn't license to do it for the wrong reasons on purpose. :? Hmm...Maybe I'm not wording that right.

Perhaps you're at a different stop along the way. Too femme to be queer, too male to be TS. Do you have any friends that you've mentioned these thoughts to? Someone a bit closer in to the canvas might see some details that a bunch of freaky strangers might not.


I don't believe EVERY tranny is a "woman" trapped in a man;'s body, but if that's what makes you think you're straight for liking a dick on an artifical woman's body, then so be it.

Point made, but careful how you prod the 'straight' boys in the locker room and especially watch the 'artificial' comment else one of the gurls might 'artificially' slap your eyeliner into the next time zone. :shock:

Nice pix, BTW (For a boi :) ). Anyone ever tell you that you look a bit like Johnny Depp? :)

Hara_Juku Tgirl
10-24-2006, 10:07 PM
Welcome to the forum! I agree with your assessment that not all transexuals are "women trapped inside a man's body" aka Primary transexual.

And that some are just gay men who've crossed over to be TG's. I personally known a few "guys" whom Ive spoke to years ago as men and now living as TG's (Some were even into transexuals sexually so they can know better i.e. get a "hands on" approach how to go abouts/proceed transforming themselves). LOL ;)

~Kisses.

HTG

NYCe
10-24-2006, 10:09 PM
And who's to say EVERY transsexual is a transsexual for the right reasons? I'm sure some are actually effeminate gay men too. Some even do it just for the money. Why can't I do it to get more men? You can't judge me for being gay when EVERY "girl" on this site started out as a feminine boy like me!

Good points. Some of the biggest Brazilian tranny pornstars bcame trannies just for the money.

ron30bi
10-24-2006, 10:41 PM
Very nice pics!

jowwor
10-24-2006, 11:12 PM
And who's to say EVERY transsexual is a transsexual for the right reasons? I'm sure some are actually effeminate gay men too. Some even do it just for the money. Why can't I do it to get more men? You can't judge me for being gay when EVERY "girl" on this site started out as a feminine boy like me!

Good points. Some of the biggest Brazilian tranny pornstars bcame trannies just for the money.

You wouldn't happen to know who...? ;)
-Q-

Fockzilla
10-24-2006, 11:27 PM
And who's to say EVERY transsexual is a transsexual for the right reasons? I'm sure some are actually effeminate gay men too. Some even do it just for the money. Why can't I do it to get more men? You can't judge me for being gay when EVERY "girl" on this site started out as a feminine boy like me!

Good points. Some of the biggest Brazilian tranny pornstars bcame trannies just for the money.

*cough*Cordoba*cough*

I think prettiboi would make a very attractive girl, but becoming transgender is not something you should ask a bunch of strangers. You might want to talk to a trustworthy person who knows a lot about what you think you want to do. Like someone who is already transitioning.

Harrys Boy
10-24-2006, 11:36 PM
I really don't have much of a opinion on this subject but i dont think we should hurl abuse at somebody for just asking a question.

Quickman
10-25-2006, 04:00 AM
First of all, I don't think posting your message on a shemale lover forum is your best bet if you're looking for a constructive response.

It appears there are unfortunately too many pathetic assholes that are all too happy to jump on the first opportunity make themselves feel better about their sexual ambiguity by gay bashing.

If you wanna become a shemale, more power to you. The world can never have enough folks trying to become a hot lady IMHO. I would caution you however, that you'd better be sure that its the route you want to go, it seems like a pretty drastic move just to meet feller.

If you come back in a couple of years with big 'ole titties and a nice ass, remember, I was trying to be nice to you and I'll try and forget I ever saw that goatee. Where's that MIB red flashy thing...

On a serious note, I'm sure that if you're comfortable and accepting of yourself the way that you are, someone that matters will find that attractive about you as well. Plus it's cheaper in the long run timewise, emotionally and financially.

Good luck!

Harrys Boy
10-25-2006, 08:12 PM
After listening to what you are saying i think it would be best if you tried being a transvestite, it's not like you would even have 2 do it full time

blahblahblah
10-25-2006, 08:22 PM
Oh, come on! Is that the reason why people become TG's?
Just in order to attract more men? I mean, how perverted
a fagot can be!? Stop scaring me!!

And what about you ladies, stop lurking around and give
us your opinion! Don't let those fagots florish around.
That's really scaring!

mrironknee
10-25-2006, 08:36 PM
Oh, come on! Is that the reason why people become TG's?
Just in order to attract more men? I mean, how perverted
a fagot can be!? Stop scaring me!!

And what about you ladies, stop lurking around and give
us your opinion! Don't let those fagots florish around.
That's really scaring!

What is really scary is the level of intelligence and sophistication of some people. Have you no clue as to how intolerant and narrow minded you are? You have no idea as to the mindset of any of the ladies as to why they transitioned, nor should it really matter. I would assume that attraction to men and identifying oneself with a more feminine lifestyle are huge considerations for a large percentage of these girls. As someone else stated, their ability to make a living off of their transition also plays in to some of their decisions. If I were you I would hook up each girl you considered being with to a lie detector prior to consummating and ask them their true reasons for transitioning in to what they are today. Otherwise, try not to be so judgmental and ignorant.
By the way, it's spelled faggot, with two g's.

blahblahblah
10-25-2006, 08:41 PM
Oh, come on! Is that the reason why people become TG's?
Just in order to attract more men? I mean, how perverted
a fagot can be!? Stop scaring me!!

And what about you ladies, stop lurking around and give
us your opinion! Don't let those fagots florish around.
That's really scaring!

ALL trannies start as feminine bois! Do you think they're born the way they are?! NO! They all start out like me!

You're just a $300 eros trick anyway!

Maybe, but they never see themselves as feminine boys but rather pure women inside male bodies. That's the difference, hopefully. On the other side, a twink is always a twink.. And you clearely consider yourself being a twink, not a girl.

blahblahblah
10-25-2006, 08:50 PM
Oh, come on! Is that the reason why people become TG's?
Just in order to attract more men? I mean, how perverted
a fagot can be!? Stop scaring me!!

And what about you ladies, stop lurking around and give
us your opinion! Don't let those fagots florish around.
That's really scaring!

What is really scary is the level of intelligence and sophistication of some people. Have you no clue as to how intolerant and narrow minded you are? You have no idea as to the mindset of any of the ladies as to why they transitioned, nor should it really matter. I would assume that attraction to men and identifying oneself with a more feminine lifestyle are huge considerations for a large percentage of these girls. As someone else stated, their ability to make a living off of their transition also plays in to some of their decisions. If I were you I would hook up each girl you considered being with to a lie detector prior to consummating and ask them their true reasons for transitioning in to what they are today. Otherwise, try not to be so judgmental and ignorant.
By the way, it's spelled faggot, with two g's.

Oh, really?

And how do you know all that, are you a TG yourself?

I'll tell you this, my dear fagggots: Feel free to be cross dressers as much as you wish. But do not take any further steps, it's highly inappropriate in your case.....

EdelweissFan
10-25-2006, 09:24 PM
Hi Prettiboi

Please ignore the ignorant, self-loathing, homophobes who bashed you. Most of the people who hang around this board are pretty tolerant, and some have broader acceptance of their -- ahem -- unusual sexual preferences than others.

You seem to be an intelligent attractive guy, so I'm surprised you are not finding more admirers. I thought that in the gay community there was a segment of guys who liked "twinks," but I guess it's not working for you.

One thing that seems to have gotten certain people in a twit here is that these boards are really focused on transsexuals and transsexual admirers -- that is, the classic woman born in a man's body. I had many fascinating conversations with an ex, who explained that even as a very little kid, she identified as a girl. If they were playing house, she could not understand why she was not supposed to be the mommy rather than the daddy. You don't fit that description.

The description you do fit is transvestite. Harrys Boy has given you the best advice so far. I think you should try being a transvestite, rather than a transsexual. It's certainly easier, less expensive and less permanent. From my experience, transvestites are effeminate gay men who dress as women ocassionally or even often and they prefer to attract nominally straight men. But they don't think of themselves as women at all. From my experience, they also like the power of feeling that they can seduce a straightish man.

I had a gay friend a lot like you who was short and slim and looked like a not particularly attractive gay man, but good gosh could he "scrub up" into a fantastically beautiful woman -- and you are a lot more naturally attractive than he was.

The parties that are advertised here are mostly transsexual parties, but in NYC there are (or at least used to be) also parties that cater to a more diverse t-friendly crowd of transsexuals, transvestites and crossdressers, like Ina's Silver Swan parties.

Trust me, there is a big community of straightish men who fall all over themselves after transvestites.

If you are going to go the transvestite route, two pieces of advice: First. be very careful to be upfront about what you are so as not to get dumped on or even beat up by some of the self-loathing types who jumped on you here. And second, lose the beard.

oriolo
10-25-2006, 11:06 PM
By your pictures you seem to be very femine, at least you look to have a "feminine aura". If you feel you'll be more comfortable living as woman then you should become a tranny. If not, you should stay as you are. You seem to be a cool person and things like that probably don't change with any external transformation :) . If you become a tranny you'll probably will get more atention by straight males. By the way, don't think all men insterested in shemales are homophobes just because some of comments you read here. Good luck whatever you decide to do! :wink:

blahblahblah
10-26-2006, 09:08 AM
This is fucking ridiculous!

You do not become a TG unless you are 100% CONVINCED that you are a woman
inside a man's body. If you know that you are feminine twink and would like
to become TG just to change your look but you still know that you are gonna
remain being twink even after your "transition" (as the guy indirectly claims
it - even his nickname confirms that) than it's not the transition you are talking
about. Can't you see that the guy is kind of playing with the whole idea: "Should i
become a woman or not? If i become a woman, i'm gonna get chance to fuck men, but if not,
then i'm not gonna have that chance. OK, then, let's become a woman!".
For him, it's like changing the clothes. Something is very fucked up in his case.

By the way, this site is slightly becoming a gay-dominated, that's not good.

suckseed
10-26-2006, 09:18 AM
I thought gay guys would fuck anyone. Ever think about prison? A pr0n booth? Subway station? I know! Truck stop.
I'm just kidding. But seriously, you should just find someone into you. Shit, is it that hard?

10-26-2006, 09:39 AM
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10-26-2006, 09:45 AM
Where are your mom and dad in all this equation?

suckseed
10-26-2006, 11:31 AM
Dude, that's a fucking stupid signature. We attacked the wrong fucking country. Iran is a far bigger threat than a guy with a car bomb or even 9/11. You should study some fucking history and come back when you know the faintest fucking thing that you're talking about. There's a reason the forum created a politics thread. Go peddle your Toby Keith shit somewhere else.
And be sure and tell 'em about your love for transexuals, I'll bet they invite you over for a barbecue right there.
My brother almost got killed in Iraq for Bush's trumped up bullshit. They couldn't even give the troops decently armored Humvees and body armor. Bush is a draft-dodging daddy's boy who says Nukuler. So, no, you don't have to be either for Bush or for the terrorists. There's actually many, many stages in between, as much as you'd like it to be as crystal clear as whether to watch Hogan Knows Best or Great American Country while you eat your pork rinds.
People like you greatly contribute to the world's perception of America as a nation of mouthbreathing loudmouths.

10-26-2006, 12:32 PM
Bush is a draft-dodging daddy's boy who says Nukuler.

LOL. I can not be insulted by someone so grammatically perfect and yet so petty.

LMAO!

suckseed
10-26-2006, 12:47 PM
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Wanting the President to be competent and demonstrate educated intelligence is petty? Maybe in Tractor Pull land, Bubba.

10-26-2006, 12:51 PM
Thats a good album. Thanks for posting the cover.

Much appreciate that.

suckseed
10-26-2006, 01:16 PM
Mah name's TeeFan, and Ah'm a Kansas City Feygit! YEEEEHAWWW!!!

novaboi
10-26-2006, 01:37 PM
hey i think you're really hot i came across your pictures on here I am a 22 year old gay man and I'm masc I would like to get to know you better. You shouldn't have to become TS to get men you are hot as you are. And you seem well spoken.send me a message on here if you'd like to talk. I think there are probably plenty of men out there who would be interested in you, don't let the thoughts of a few shape your views on all gay men. Yeah some of them can judge pretty harshly but I'm sure there's plenty out there like me, who think you're gorgeous and if they got to know you and you turned out to be nice and sweet ( as you seem ) think you'd make a good boyfriend.

dan_drade
10-27-2006, 06:21 PM
Hello Prettiboi,
I think you would be a very pretty girl if you decide to do so. your pics look very feminine and you have a very nice feminine body. Just to let you know, I have dated GG's and TG women. However, I have never dated a guy, but I must admit that you look so feminine that I might reconsider dating a man if I could find one as pretty as you.

With a little laser hair removal and hormone replacement therapy, you will be a stunning young lady. I saw on one of your other posts that you have already ordered Hormones from the Internet. However, I dont know if that is such a good idea. I have heard that they are not usually hormones at all. You should probably see a real doctor has advised transexual women in the past. He/she will be able to get you the hormones and advice that you need.

You might want to have a chat with one of the women that post here on this site. They wil know much more that us guys that post here and admire all of these girls.

Good luck in becomming the woman that you want to be.
By the way, I would love to have a girlfriend just like you.

rickie
10-27-2006, 09:06 PM
Well..... you got the hips.
Go on sweetie, youŽll get very hot...

Chica
10-27-2006, 09:13 PM
I saw on one of your other posts that you have already ordered Hormones from the Internet. However, I dont know if that is such a good idea. I have heard that they are not usually hormones at all.

They're the same kind i've got, and i got them reffered by someone who has been doing them for almost 3 years now but i just hope all the side effects were read up on properly... i researched into them for about 2 years

Chica
10-27-2006, 09:17 PM
ALL trannies start as feminine bois! Do you think they're born the way they are?! NO! They all start out like me!

Where did ya research this? I never got questioned for being gay at school...

dan_drade
10-27-2006, 09:44 PM
I saw on one of your other posts that you have already ordered Hormones from the Internet. However, I dont know if that is such a good idea. I have heard that they are not usually hormones at all.

They're the same kind i've got, and i got them reffered by someone who has been doing them for almost 3 years now but i just hope all the side effects were read up on properly... i researched into them for about 2 years

Hey Chica,
Do those hormones actually work? I have seen your pics that you have posted here on this forum, and you too area very pretty girl. But was that from the hormones, or have you always had such a feminine face and body?

Chica
10-27-2006, 09:51 PM
that was taken about 5 months ago... and i started them 3 days ago... but yes they actually work, like i said ive been in contact with ones who have used them for well over 2 years... but prettiboy twink may wanna know is that the hormones do eventually stop male bodily functions after so long...

dan_drade
10-27-2006, 09:56 PM
that was taken about 5 months ago... and i started them 3 days ago... but yes they actually work, like i said ive been in contact with ones who have used them for well over 2 years... but prettiboy twink may wanna know is that the hormones do eventually stop male bodily functions after so long...

Cool, I'm sure you will be even more feminine and beautiful than you are now. Don't know how a pretty girl like you can get any better, but I would love eto see more pics of you after a few months. I'm sure you will be absolutely stunning. :)

Chica
10-27-2006, 10:04 PM
well depending on how my body takes to it, it could take up to 2 years... but since im a late bloomer, i think it shouldnt take too long

suckseed
10-27-2006, 10:30 PM
I think it's ill advised to mess around with hormones that haven't been prescribed! Why not do it with a professional's help?

Chica
10-27-2006, 10:32 PM
why? well i dont wanna travel 450 miles to see someone to tell me what i already know... where i am there is no help, period

dan_drade
10-27-2006, 10:38 PM
why? well i dont wanna travel 450 miles to see someone to tell me what i already know... where i am there is no help, period

Well, you can always move here to California. Its very tg friendly here

Chica
10-27-2006, 10:49 PM
with what? i didnt know they accepted buttons at airports :P

blahblahblah
10-27-2006, 10:57 PM
ALL trannies start as feminine bois! Do you think they're born the way they are?! NO! They all start out like me!

Where did ya research this? I never got questioned for being gay at school...

That's what i'm talking about. You can only be a women if you already ARE a woman inside your body. Don't spoil entire concept of transsexualism, prettyboi_twink. Just be what you are. Be a twink and be proud of it (but stay FAAR away from people like me). And stop insulting TG's with your freaking experiments.

Thanks Chica, you are a sweetheart.

Nautica
10-28-2006, 08:15 AM
I'm not a tranny, but I'm a pre- tranny? I'm a very feminine Italian boi, I'm 5'6 115lbs and too feminine acting/looking for masculine gay men!! It makes me so sad that no men want men because I'm too feminine! If I become a tranny would a different spectrum of men worship me!? Didn't most trannies start off as very feminine men?


*Sigh* You are SOOOOOO cute! :D I joined this site just for you, because I have counciled people like you. License? Nah, no license, but I have known my self back as for as I can remember... ever since I was a four year old little girl. You think it's easy for a ts to just *find* a man? Well, it isn't.

I see what your issue is. I don't think you're a ts. A *TRUE* transsexual wouldn't need to ask that question. Even the transsexuals who end up in their 40's married with children who decide to become women, have already known. A lot, even, continue to date their spouse afterwards. Confusing? Ummm...

You're TOOOOOO damn cute and there a LOT of men who would love to have you as their *life partner".... oh, the hell with that... as their hubby/boyfriend. ****I'm thinking your issue is you're in a hurry to find a lover.**** Am I right? You will find him as soon as you forget about it and stop looking. Please don't make the mistake of surgically changing yourself if you're not sure, as you may DESTROY your life. You're better off staying as you are than becoming what society considers to be a "freak. Let me explain why I use the word freak...I know some of the most beautiful ts's you can think of, but they are SOOOOO gay in public...People are like "Wow, he's gorgeous!" Do I hang with them, HECK NO! If the woman isn't in you, no self help book is going to put it there, so, pleaseeeee, don't believe those "HowTo Be A Lady Books..." The essence of a woman isn't something you can buy, it comes naturally.

Some girls commit suicide for making the wrong choice. I had these 2 latina friends when I was a teen girly and one of them was SOOOOOO BEAUTIFULLLLLLL and TOTALLY passable, the other was cute, too. Guess what? They are MEN, now...?!? Uhhh... If you're unsure don't do it and definately don't fall PREY to these people slinging out hormones like skittles! YOU NEED A LICENSED DOCTOR TO TRACK YOUR BLOOD!!!! It's not worth risking your liver to find someone. You'd be a Lovely woman and you ARE a gorgeous man/twink, hehe.

Be patient HOTTIE, live your life, and BELIEVEEE!!!!! You've got to believe or...

Nautica =^.^=

10-28-2006, 08:34 AM
Well said

BeardedOne
10-28-2006, 09:21 PM
Plus I want men to worship me and i just know if i were a tranny they would!!!

Boi, you are putting waaaayyyy too much faith in humans. :smh

Where are you anyway, region-wise?

BeardedOne
10-28-2006, 09:28 PM
Astoria

How appropot. :lol:

Kidding. :)

Damn, haven't been there in years. :? If you're evidence of recent genetics in that neighborhood, I certainly need to get out more.

10-28-2006, 09:37 PM
What's wrong with being a man? Seriously, I'm a man and I'm gonna tell you, that kicks ass. I can take a leak standing up, I don't bleed on schedule and I have a really muscular body so that if any person of the liberal persuasion gets out of line, I can confidently bash him in the face and cause significant tooth loss.

You're only what? 20? Give yourself some time. Let the shoulders broaden, the testicles descend completely and give the foot odor some time to marinade. You'll be shopping at Walmart in no time!

suckseed
10-28-2006, 09:51 PM
What's wrong with being a man? Seriously, I'm a man and I'm gonna tell you, that kicks ass. I can take a leak standing up, I don't bleed on schedule and I have a really muscular body so that if any person of the liberal persuasion gets out of line, I can confidently bash him in the face and cause significant tooth loss.

You're only what? 20? Give yourself some time. Let the shoulders broaden, the testicles descend completely and give the foot odor some time to marinade. You'll be shopping at Walmart in no time!
:roll:

BeardedOne
10-28-2006, 10:22 PM
You're only what? 20? Give yourself some time. Let the shoulders broaden, the testicles descend completely and give the foot odor some time to marinade. You'll be shopping at Walmart in no time!

:shock: *Shreik!* :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


So anyhoo maybe I should put my gurl pics up but I'm just a boi in drag and not a tranny! :-(

I won't complain...too much. :wink:

There are a couple of gurls on here that are in a similar limbo as you in the view of many of the membership here. Tara is one, Jamie another, just to name a couple. Both are cool, easy on the eyes, and thick-skinned enough to deal with the haters and/or uncouthe (Did I spell that right?).

There are also some TG gurls who may lean more to the male/masculine side of the spectrum, but who are no less 'differently gendered'.

Personally, I think you look great in boi mode and might make quite the TS/TG if that's the route you take. I just think you're a bit askew in the men-will-like-me-more-if-I-install-tits-and-hack-off-my-dick mentality. That, to me, is a self-esteem problem which can be caused as much by outside sources as those within.

Listen, sweetie, you're boarding the Express when you should really be taking the Local. This isn't an impulse thing (Milk, bread, cheese, dry-cleaning, bank deposit, get SRS...) and while I admire your enthusiasm, I sincerely encourage some restraint and research.

At least you lucked into one of the places where you =MIGHT= find the information and support you need, whatever route you take.

10-28-2006, 11:00 PM
(Milk, bread, cheese, dry-cleaning, bank deposit, get SRS...)


:lol:

scipio
10-30-2006, 06:00 AM
What's wrong with being a man? Seriously, I'm a man and I'm gonna tell you, that kicks ass. I can take a leak standing up, I don't bleed on schedule and I have a really muscular body so that if any person of the liberal persuasion gets out of line, I can confidently bash him in the face and cause significant tooth loss.

You're only what? 20? Give yourself some time. Let the shoulders broaden, the testicles descend completely and give the foot odor some time to marinade. You'll be shopping at Walmart in no time!

That, Sir, is the funniest post I've read in a while. I hope it was intentionally so.

10-30-2006, 06:07 AM
What's wrong with being a man? Seriously, I'm a man and I'm gonna tell you, that kicks ass. I can take a leak standing up, I don't bleed on schedule and I have a really muscular body so that if any person of the liberal persuasion gets out of line, I can confidently bash him in the face and cause significant tooth loss.

You're only what? 20? Give yourself some time. Let the shoulders broaden, the testicles descend completely and give the foot odor some time to marinade. You'll be shopping at Walmart in no time!

That, Sir, is the funniest post I've read in a while. I hope it was intentionally so.


Thanks. I appreciate that.

hotfireman69
11-09-2006, 08:30 PM
I just wanted to say the advice that Nautica gave...she is someone you should listen to. I had the extreme pleasure of being with Nautica about a year ago...and would have many more times had my schedule and finances allowed me to do so...she is the complete woman. I was new to the transgendered scene and she made me feel completely at ease. She is a total GFE experience. It was my first time as a bottom and she took her time and was very patient, and made me feel as if I was the only man in the world. We then laid there and talked for a long while and she seemed like she actually cared. She is definetly the relationship kinda lady. So any advice she gives trust me comes straight from experience and the heart. I would not be ashamed to be see anywhere, anyplace at anytime with this special woman. Thanks Nautica for an experience that will stay with me a life time......

Friedrich_Nietzsche
11-09-2006, 10:34 PM
Hey TFan,

Where is the place where u kick terrorist ass?

BeardedOne
04-08-2007, 02:42 AM
WHOA! :shock:

Thread ressurrection! Zoiks! Didn't see this one coming. :lol: