Controversial Question

[timetoplay2468]

You know this question is really bugging me but I have to ask why is it that guys they actually prefer to be on top get a lot of hate? Now guys on here are going to say it’s all personal preference and that’s that, I call bullshit. The majority of guys on here like to either be a bottom or give blowjobs to TS. and they you have another section on here that’s into femboys but the pictures of the femboys they put up to show what they are into they femboys look like men more than femboys.
If you look in the stories section you’ll. Find evidence of this.

Why is it that men who prefer to be dominant get bashed that they actually like trans women for what they are trying to transition into instead of what is between their legs.meaning their personality and their body (ass,tits, and and anal sex) and why simply accept that they have a penis (or not) because obviously we have one to do it dosent freak me out. The only reason for me to to touch her penis is to give her a “helping hand” (to make her cum showing me she actually enjoyed herself.

But when we call out certain who prefer to like TS (Passable) women because it’s a good cover up to hide that they’re actually gay and no one would notice. Also isn’t it harder for TS women to use their penis due to high count of estrogen due to horomones.

Also since TS women are feminine Wouldn’t you logically assume she likes to be dominated and fucked. Also she dosent have to worry about using her penis(unless she wants to for a helping hand like I said earlier ) and she can just relax in what ever position she’s in. So being with a guy who is on top I would say is easier for them.

Also guys who are dominant in porn scenes especially in Brazil or in America are all “disgusted” being with TS women. I seen scenes where guys came twice and shooting a high volumes of cum from banging these ts women and still couldn’t get enough and you can tell by their body language towards them. TS girls usually jizz out cum while being fucked wether their hard or not.

Had to call this out I’ve seen a lot of men who prefer to be dominant and be on top here and even on porn that get heavily criticized and shamed on here for no reason. You cant force a guy to change personal preference(well unless your in porn and you a deal has been made to get paid more to be submissive or give a ts a blowjob) but the point I’m making is to stick to what you like instead of listening to other people.

[MrFanti]

I'm a "top only" man but that crap doesn't bother me at all.
In my personal life, it's one quality that quite a few women find to be very attractive....in fact, I've met a couple women that get turned off by men who bottom.....

And finally, the only people that seem to get bent out of shape over it are other men......

[timetoplay2468]

Yes I see where your coming from but I’ve seen this all over this website guys who are dominant or on top are almost non existent or don’t look like their opinions are welcomed at all. So much for agreeing to disagree

[MrFanti]

Yes I see where your coming from but I’ve seen this all over this website guys who are dominant or on top are almost non existent or don’t look like their opinions are welcomed at all. So much for agreeing to disagree

Check out what I said about my personal life....
Online bashing - I don't give a rat's @ss.....

Because I know that from my personal experiences, the women I've encountered are definitely attracted to me being 'top only' and have professed that they don't have any attraction to bottom men....

Remember, the bashing online is done only by bottom men....think about that....

[timetoplay2468]

True at the end of the day it’s what you like and what your into.

[Laphroaig]

You know this question is really bugging me but I have to ask why is it that guys they actually prefer to be on top get a lot of hate? Now guys on here are going to say it’s all personal preference and that’s that, I call bullshit. The majority of guys on here like to either be a bottom or give blowjobs to TS. and they you have another section on here that’s into femboys but the pictures of the femboys they put up to show what they are into they femboys look like men more than femboys.
If you look in the stories section you’ll. Find evidence of this.

Why is it that men who prefer to be dominant get bashed that they actually like trans women for what they are trying to transition into instead of what is between their legs.meaning their personality and their body (ass,tits, and and anal sex) and why simply accept that they have a penis (or not) because obviously we have one to do it dosent freak me out. The only reason for me to to touch her penis is to give her a “helping hand” (to make her cum showing me she actually enjoyed herself.

But when we call out certain who prefer to like TS (Passable) women because it’s a good cover up to hide that they’re actually gay and no one would notice. Also isn’t it harder for TS women to use their penis due to high count of estrogen due to horomones.

Also since TS women are feminine Wouldn’t you logically assume she likes to be dominated and fucked. Also she dosent have to worry about using her penis(unless she wants to for a helping hand like I said earlier ) and she can just relax in what ever position she’s in. So being with a guy who is on top I would say is easier for them.

Also guys who are dominant in porn scenes especially in Brazil or in America are all “disgusted” being with TS women. I seen scenes where guys came twice and shooting a high volumes of cum from banging these ts women and still couldn’t get enough and you can tell by their body language towards them. TS girls usually jizz out cum while being fucked wether their hard or not.

Had to call this out I’ve seen a lot of men who prefer to be dominant and be on top here and even on porn that get heavily criticized and shamed on here for no reason. You cant force a guy to change personal preference(well unless your in porn and you a deal has been made to get paid more to be submissive or give a ts a blowjob) but the point I’m making is to stick to what you like instead of listening to other people.

I'm top only and never had any hate, bashing, or been shamed on here because of it. :shrug So much for your research skills, siting examples from the fiction section to back up your "facts"...:dead-1::dead-1::dead-1:

If you want to see a real argument on here, just tell everyone their favourite TS porn star has a 5 inch dick and watch the sparks fly...




Had to call this out I’ve seen a lot of men who prefer to be dominant and be on top here and even on porn that get heavily criticized and shamed on here for no reason. You cant force a guy to change personal preference(well unless your in porn and you a deal has been made to get paid more to be submissive or give a ts a blowjob) but the point I’m making is to stick to what you like instead of listening to other people.


Yes I see where your coming from but I’ve seen this all over this website guys who are dominant or on top are almost non existent or don’t look like their opinions are welcomed at all. So much for agreeing to disagree

Which is it? If top only guys are almost non existent on here, you can't have seen many examples of them being criticised. You're not even consistent in your argument...

[timetoplay2468]

Laphroaig your only one person. Didn’t happen to you good for you. But you don’t make up the majority of guys who are being shamed and criticized heavily on here.Also I said “almost”non existent meaning there’s only a few men who are tops on this site. I have seen men who are tops but there’s not a lot of them is what I’m saying. Actually read my comments and stop switching my words. Also actually do research there a lot of men on this site who actually like being bottoms to transwomen. Read those trans fantasy stories you have a lot more men here who actually like getting their backs blown out by ts women.

[Laphroaig]

It's very difficult to take seriously someone who extracts facts from a fiction section...

[timetoplay2468]

That’s your opinion but that’s fine.

[Cereal Escapist]

i actually don't see the hate for "top" only men. i think there is a stigma attached to those who like to bottom, if anything. that said, this is the internet....there is hate everywhere if you look hard enough and clearly when you feel the hate may be directed at you, you are just more sensitive to it.

whatever your personal preferences are, its all good because in your personal sex life, no one should make you feel that what gets you off is wrong unless it is something like animals or kids. if shoving 10lbs of civet coffee up your ass and shitting it into your gf's mouth gets you off, so long as you both consent to it, have at it.

in porn however, i do see a problem when I feel i have wasted my money on a shitty scene. when a producer puts out a shitty scene, i'm going to point out what I see wrong with it, irrespective of where issue lies, the girl, the guy, the setting, the production values, etc. in several case that I complain about, my disdain for having wasted my money is directed at the male talent because if a dude looks like they abhor transwomen and are just collecting a check, i'm going to point it out. (soldierboi, ramon, sean michaels). where possible, i try to avoid performers like this so i don't feel i waste my money.

then there are just performers who are terrible whether they can feign interest in or even truly interested in their partner, but i avoid them too, where possible because i have judged them to be poor performers (top or bottom it doesn't matter).

conversely, if a dude looks like a fucking flaming fairy that just wants cock in his ass all day long, that also ruins the scene for me. a recent example of this would be this new kid, tony. i find the scene where Tera Firma tops him unwatchable. i could not avoid that so to speak as it was part of my paid membership. I know i will not love every update but there is a difference to me about being indifferent to an update and outright disliking it.

the point is, i don't care about anyone's preferences enough to hate on them for what they like since i have no investment in anyone's personal life. in porn, as a consumer, i retain the right to bitch about a subpar product when i see it.

[Laphroaig]

That’s your opinion but that’s fine.

Have you actually got any examples of this alleged persecution towards the "majority of almost non existent people on here"?

[Stavros]

You know this question is really bugging me but I have to ask why is it that guys they actually prefer to be on top get a lot of hate? Now guys on here are going to say it’s all personal preference and that’s that, I call bullshit. The majority of guys on here like to either be a bottom or give blowjobs to TS. and they you have another section on here that’s into femboys but the pictures of the femboys they put up to show what they are into they femboys look like men more than femboys.
If you look in the stories section you’ll. Find evidence of this.


There is no controversy here at all. Most members of HA have seeen and done enough to know that human beings are capable of extraordinary things, and that when it comes to sexual pleasure a man can a) prefer to top, b) prefer to bottom, c) both, all the way through the repertoire of oral sex, fantasy sex, sadistic sex, virtual sex and in more recent times sex with dolls who are not even human, probably because they are not human though I suspect consensus does not apply in that case.

The only controversy arises if there is a violation of a basic moral premise: is the sex legal and consensual?

In most countries I believe sexual behaviour in public is illegal even though it may be thrilling at the time.

Even in the case of risk there may be a moral argument: in Takashi Miike's film Ichi the Killer, the Yakuza Kakihara yearns for a partner who understand his need to be taken to the edge of pain, but cannot find anyone who inflicts that pain with the love and understandig he craves- but the pain is acceptable to him and he accepts the risks, whereas Ichi kills without remorse or emotion of any kind.

In a Manhattan nightclub I once saw a young man with his wrists handcuffed to a hook in the ceiling, his feet barely touching a wooden beam below while a blonde with the body of a Playboy centrefold dripped hot wax on his nipples and his cock. 'If you lose your balance and fall', she said, 'you will break your wrists' -but he accepted that risk.

Again, it is all about consensual arrangements, so the only controversy arises when someone seeks sexual pleasure with someone who doesn't want it, or doesn't want to do it in a particular way. And that can happen, and in real life too.

[filghy2]

You know this question is really bugging me but I have to ask why is it that guys they actually prefer to be on top get a lot of hate? Now guys on here are going to say it’s all personal preference and that’s that, I call bullshit.

But when we call out certain who prefer to like TS (Passable) women because it’s a good cover up to hide that they’re actually gay and no one would notice.

So you are complaining (without evidence) about tops getting hate on this forum, yet you think it's perfectly okay to suggest that anyone with different preferences is gay? Nobody is trying to force you to change your preferences. It is just common decency to avoid using pejorative terms like that.

Your real complaint seems to be that there is too much stuff being posted here that you don't like. Like it or not, what gets posted reflects the preferences of the members. It's not too hard to just ignore the stuff you don't like and focus on what you do like.

[LilyRox]

You know this question is really bugging me but I have to ask why is it that guys they actually prefer to be on top get a lot of hate?

The only reason for me to to touch her penis is to give her a “helping hand” (to make her cum showing me she actually enjoyed herself.

But when we call out certain who prefer to like TS (Passable) women because it’s a good cover up to hide that they’re actually gay and no one would notice. Also isn’t it harder for TS women to use their penis due to high count of estrogen due to horomones.



I had a hard time reading this. I don't know if it was just me, but a lot of it seemed like word salad. I'll just point a few things out:

I never actually ever heard of top guys getting hate. Trans are more likely to be bottoms though (not counting porn), so I don't know why guy tops would be more likely to get hate except from chasers in denial. It could be that bottom guys don't like it because they sometimes feel forced to dominant, so they don't like seeing top guys never having to do something they don't want to.

Some trans have issues with guys touching their stuff. Sometimes it's not communicated or she lets him because she wants to make him happy, but for some it brings back memories before they transitioned. If your trans that issue can be also very hard to communicate with a partner.

Honestly most guys that call out guys dating passable TS are most likely just jealous. Yes, T blockers make it harder to get hard and some girls become completely non functional.

[dirtrail]

I’m a top, but all the bottom guys don’t bother me. I kinda suspect those bottom guys are threatened in a way by tops as we usually don’t have to pay a girl for sex as most trans girls are bottoms. Anonymity of the interwebs gives them a platform to be vocal about it otherwise they wouldn’t say anything in real life. 🤷 Just my take on it.
You know this question is really bugging me but I have to ask why is it that guys they actually prefer to be on top get a lot of hate? Now guys on here are going to say it’s all personal preference and that’s that, I call bullshit. The majority of guys on here like to either be a bottom or give blowjobs to TS. and they you have another section on here that’s into femboys but the pictures of the femboys they put up to show what they are into they femboys look like men more than femboys.
If you look in the stories section you’ll. Find evidence of this.

Why is it that men who prefer to be dominant get bashed that they actually like trans women for what they are trying to transition into instead of what is between their legs.meaning their personality and their body (ass,tits, and and anal sex) and why simply accept that they have a penis (or not) because obviously we have one to do it dosent freak me out. The only reason for me to to touch her penis is to give her a “helping hand” (to make her cum showing me she actually enjoyed herself.

But when we call out certain who prefer to like TS (Passable) women because it’s a good cover up to hide that they’re actually gay and no one would notice. Also isn’t it harder for TS women to use their penis due to high count of estrogen due to horomones.

Also since TS women are feminine Wouldn’t you logically assume she likes to be dominated and fucked. Also she dosent have to worry about using her penis(unless she wants to for a helping hand like I said earlier ) and she can just relax in what ever position she’s in. So being with a guy who is on top I would say is easier for them.

Also guys who are dominant in porn scenes especially in Brazil or in America are all “disgusted” being with TS women. I seen scenes where guys came twice and shooting a high volumes of cum from banging these ts women and still couldn’t get enough and you can tell by their body language towards them. TS girls usually jizz out cum while being fucked wether their hard or not.

Had to call this out I’ve seen a lot of men who prefer to be dominant and be on top here and even on porn that get heavily criticized and shamed on here for no reason. You cant force a guy to change personal preference(well unless your in porn and you a deal has been made to get paid more to be submissive or give a ts a blowjob) but the point I’m making is to stick to what you like instead of listening to other people.

[Nick Danger]

I don't get it. Never got any hate over being a top. These alleged top-hating bottom boys can go get fucked as far as I'm concerned.

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[Laphroaig]

I don't get it. Never got any hate over being a top. These alleged top-hating bottom boys can go get fucked as far as I'm concerned.

1129819

You offering to fuck them?...:tongue:

Notice the OP has disappeared once the "majority of non existent people on here" disagreed with his opinion. What a surprise...

[crazyeditor]

I like it all, of course my GF makes it easy to be a top (she says she doesnt like topping, and most TS that want to be a woman dont). I do like sucking her and eating her cute little asshole, and I like to top her because we do it bare and I love cumming in her and when she asks, peeing in her

[crazyeditor]

I had a hard time reading this. I don't know if it was just me, but a lot of it seemed like word salad. I'll just point a few things out:

I never actually ever heard of top guys getting hate. Trans are more likely to be bottoms though (not counting porn), so I don't know why guy tops would be more likely to get hate except from chasers in denial. It could be that bottom guys don't like it because they sometimes feel forced to dominant, so they don't like seeing top guys never having to do something they don't want to.

Some trans have issues with guys touching their stuff. Sometimes it's not communicated or she lets him because she wants to make him happy, but for some it brings back memories before they transitioned. If your trans that issue can be also very hard to communicate with a partner.

Honestly most guys that call out guys dating passable TS are most likely just jealous. Yes, T blockers make it harder to get hard and some girls become completely non functional.

Great reply

[filghy2]

I’m a top, but all the bottom guys don’t bother me. I kinda suspect those bottom guys are threatened in a way by tops as we usually don’t have to pay a girl for sex as most trans girls are bottoms. Anonymity of the interwebs gives them a platform to be vocal about it otherwise they wouldn’t say anything in real life. �� Just my take on it.

And I have nothing against you top-only guys either. I just find it tiresome that many of you feel the need to be always beating your chests about your supposed attractiveness to tgirls because you better understand their true needs.

But I'm sure you are not one of those people who use the anonymity of the internet to big-note themselves in a way they would not do in real life.

Just my take on it :-)

[filghy2]

"I kinda suspect those bottom guys are threatened in a way by tops as we usually don’t have to pay a girl for sex as most trans girls are bottoms."

PS: Why on earth would I feel threatened by top-only guys like you? I'm not looking for a relationship and I'm quite happy to pay for sex. Not everyone is obsessed with being an alpha male out-competing other males to get sexual partners.

[Fitzcarraldo]

And I have nothing against you top-only guys either. I just find it tiresome that many of you feel the need to be always beating your chests about your supposed attractiveness to tgirls because you better understand their true needs.

But I'm sure you are not one of those people who use the anonymity of the internet to big-note themselves in a way they would not do in real life.

Just my take on it :-)

Passive aggressive much?

[filghy2]

Passive aggressive much?

Why do you say that? Passive-aggressive behaviour typically involves expressing opposition or hostility in non-overt ways. Overtly taking issue with somebody's argument is not typical passive-aggressive behaviour.

Sure I like to get in the occasional sarcastic dig. Isn't that what you do as well (eg the above)?

[timetoplay2468]

You offering to fuck them?...:tongue:

Notice the OP has disappeared once the "majority of non existent people on here" disagreed with his opinion. What a surprise...

Did it ever occur to you that I don’t argue back with a person. It’s fucking pointless. It’s childish. We obviously don’t agree with each other and we’re not going to change our minds so why would I keep going. You obviously want to start drama. Did it also occur to you that I actually have a life to live instead of arguing with someone online.

[broncofan]

Did it also occur to you that I actually have a life to live instead of arguing with someone online.
Sorry to be argumentative, but what are you doing right now if not arguing?

[filghy2]

And why did you raise a "controversial question" if you didn't want to start an argument with anyone?

[Fitzcarraldo]

And why did you raise a "controversial question" if you didn't want to start an argument with anyone?

Maybe it was a controversial rhetorical question?

Or it's like when a celebrity says something stupid and claims they simply wanted to "start a conversation."

[broncofan]

By his definition any exchange where people disagree is an argument. Why post at all if you're just going to post your view and leave. The I don't argue on the internet because I'm an adult thing is kind of a cop out isn't it?

[broncofan]

Maybe it was a controversial rhetorical question?

Or it's like when a celebrity says something stupid and claims they simply wanted to "start a conversation."
It was a filibuster. He wanted to rant a bunch of stuff that isn't true, have everyone disagree with him and then say, "well that's your opinion, there's no point talking about it." And btw, where'd he go again?

[timetoplay2468]

It was a filibuster. He wanted to rant a bunch of stuff that isn't true, have everyone disagree with him and then say, "well that's your opinion, there's no point talking about it." And btw, where'd he go again?

I didn’t want to rant I asked a question and I wanted to see what other people who are like minded and who had the same thoughts as me had to say. Guess I got my answer alright. Also I wrote controversial because I knew some people wouldnt agree. What I wrote is controversial to some people. Guess it was a poor choice on my part to write that title. I’ll remember next time.

[broncofan]

I didn’t want to rant I asked a question and I wanted to see what other people who are like minded and who had the same thoughts as me had to say. Guess I got my answer alright. Also I wrote controversial because I knew some people wouldnt agree. What I wrote is controversial to some people. Guess it was a poor choice on my part to write that title. I’ll remember next time.
It's no big deal that you wrote something not many agreed with. I was just saying it would be a bit more fun if you came back guns blazing to defend it or clarify.

I honestly read your first post and thought it was a little arbitrary.

I don't think in the ten years I've posted here I have seen anyone shamed for topping. That doesn't mean it hasn't happened. Can you find a single example of someone being shamed for being the insertive partner? Given your really strong impressions, you should be able to do that.

[timetoplay2468]

It was a filibuster. He wanted to rant a bunch of stuff that isn't true, have everyone disagree with him and then say, "well that's your opinion, there's no point talking about it." And btw, where'd he go again?


It's no big deal that you wrote something not many agreed with. I was just saying it would be a bit more fun if you came back guns blazing to defend it or clarify.

I honestly read your first post and thought it was a little arbitrary.

I don't think in the ten years I've posted here I have seen anyone shamed for topping. That doesn't mean it hasn't happened. Can you find a single example of someone being shamed for being the insertive partner? Given your really strong impressions, you should be able to do that.

All right not necessarily on here but I’m talking about pornstars like Ramon, or the newly TS porn joined Sean michaels. Why do I see meny men pissed at the fact that these guys aren’t gives ts women blowjobs,handjobs, or they want these guys to turn into bottoms. Why do they get shitted on for treating trans woman how trans women actually want to be treated. Like women am I right? Trans women don’t actually like being a top for a man unless there’s money involved and the fans that actually like that are bottoms or in betweens. It being forced in the porn industry to focus on the penis of ts women because that’s what the fans want but oh but pornstars who are on top or who are straight leaning get criticized the most like WTF.From my view point I believe ts women prefer to be dominated and banged hard. In my opinion those guys don’t like trans women for who they are or what there trying to be perceived as. In my opinion they only like ts women for the fetish. Some of these guys could be actually gay but being with a passable trans women would make that unnoticeable. I’ve seen this on threads taking about Sean Michaels and even Ramon, and even Yago from transurpise in Brazil is mentioned and now yago is doing blowjob scenes with ts women. He’s never done those. He dosent even look natural in that position. I’m not trying to make it a big deal its just mind boggling to me.

[filghy2]

All right not necessarily on here but I’m talking about pornstars like Ramon, or the newly TS porn joined Sean michaels. I must say it's odd that you seem to think Ramon and Sean are genuinely into TS, but long-term TS porn actors who bottom are just doing it as a fetish and are probably gay.

Trans women don’t actually like being a top for a man unless there’s money involved and the fans that actually like that are bottoms or in betweens. It being forced in the porn industry to focus on the penis of ts women because that’s what the fans want but oh but pornstars who are on top or who are straight leaning get criticized the most like WTF.

I’m not trying to make it a big deal its just mind boggling to me.

I've seen those threads. Some people are just saying that they find that kind of TS porn boring. As porn consumers they have a right to express a view (as do others). That hardly amounts to hating.

Like every other industry the TS porn industry produces what it thinks will make money. Nobody's forcing it do do things apart from the customers. As far as I can see there is a range of stuff being produced to satisfy different preferences, including your own (eg Sean Michaels and Ramon). Also, porn is like any other job. You get paid for doing what your employer and their customers want, not want you want.

I still don't understand your complaint. Your real complaint seems that there are too many TS admirers who don't think like you and that the porn industry should only be catering for your preferences and not for theirs. And why are you so obsessed about whether other guys are attracted to TS in the 'right' way? Why not just focus on what you like?

Finally, if you really aren't trying to make a big deal of it why have you just posted this 1/2 page diatribe?

[Laphroaig]

All right not necessarily on here but I’m talking about pornstars like Ramon, or the newly TS porn joined Sean michaels. Why do I see meny men pissed at the fact that these guys aren’t gives ts women blowjobs,handjobs, or they want these guys to turn into bottoms. Why do they get shitted on for treating trans woman how trans women actually want to be treated. Like women am I right? Trans women don’t actually like being a top for a man unless there’s money involved and the fans that actually like that are bottoms or in betweens. It being forced in the porn industry to focus on the penis of ts women because that’s what the fans want but oh but pornstars who are on top or who are straight leaning get criticized the most like WTF.From my view point I believe ts women prefer to be dominated and banged hard. In my opinion those guys don’t like trans women for who they are or what there trying to be perceived as. In my opinion they only like ts women for the fetish. Some of these guys could be actually gay but being with a passable trans women would make that unnoticeable. I’ve seen this on threads taking about Sean Michaels and even Ramon, and even Yago from transurpise in Brazil is mentioned and now yago is doing blowjob scenes with ts women. He’s never done those. He dosent even look natural in that position. I’m not trying to make it a big deal its just mind boggling to me.

If you read through the threads about Ramon, he gets criticism for all kinds of things. Being top only is just one of a long list of complaints about him. Don't know about the other 2 names you mention, but they are performers and as such open to criticism in the same manner regular actors/singers/performers are. It may or may not be fair or justifiable, but that's part of the deal when you're a performer.


Did it ever occur to you that I don’t argue back with a person. It’s fucking pointless. It’s childish. We obviously don’t agree with each other and we’re not going to change our minds so why would I keep going. You obviously want to start drama. Did it also occur to you that I actually have a life to live instead of arguing with someone online.


It's not an argument, simply If you're going to make claims be prepared to back them up with evidence. So far you've come up with nothing. Where are all the examples you claimed to see in the stories section?...

[filghy2]

Just to clarify, this sentence should have been in my response, not in the quote:

I must say it's odd that you seem to think Ramon and Sean are genuinely into TS, but long-term TS porn actors who bottom are just doing it as a fetish and are probably gay.

I've actually never seen anyone complaining that Ramon and Sean don't bottom. Most of the complaints are that they avoid going anywhere near the girls' dicks and that they never show any real affection toward them - basically just putting their dick in the hole and banging away.

[timetoplay2468]

I've seen those threads. Some people are just saying that they find that kind of TS porn boring. As porn consumers they have a right to express a view (as do others). That hardly amounts to hating.

Like every other industry the TS porn industry produces what it thinks will make money. Nobody's forcing it do do things apart from the customers. As far as I can see there is a range of stuff being produced to satisfy different preferences, including your own (eg Sean Michaels and Ramon). Also, porn is like any other job. You get paid for doing what your employer and their customers want, not want you want.

I still don't understand your complaint. Your real complaint seems that there are too many TS admirers who don't think like you and that the porn industry should only be catering for your preferences and not for theirs. And why are you so obsessed about whether other guys are attracted to TS in the 'right' way? Why not just focus on what you like?

Finally, if you really aren't trying to make a big deal of it why have you just posted this 1/2 page diatribe?


What makes you think I am obsessed with this. Why are you making assumptions. I’m not bothered by the fact that the porn industry does not cater to my preferences infact Brazilian porn and trans 500 makes enough porn for my preference. As for attraction to a ts woman I’m not obsessed by that I could careless what you do with a trans women I was giving my opinion and which also is actually a fact when you think about it men on top or men who fucks trans women actually like these women for their feminine looks and features. But men who are bottoms or inbetween only treat trans women as a fetish, they don’t respect trans women as they claim to that bullshit. You may think you do but you don’t. Don’t you respect the trans women your with or are they just a quick fuck to you. So I am focused on what I like but I actually find it amazing how men on here are supposedly “cool” with the trans women on this site when they only see her as a fuck toy they can use. And since you assumed it’s fair that I do the same. It sounds like you don’t want me to call out the elephant in the room when you said “focus on what you like don’t worry about everyone else.”

You’ll notice on certain videos on YouTube or articles TS women actually prefer straight masculine men. Theyre tired of bisexual men or closested gay men approaching them and only wanting them for their penises. You would see trans women walking up to men who are straight seeing if the guys would be interested in her because she wants the guys to look at her andbe attracted to her I thought I would get like minded men like me to give an answer but of course since it’s the internet I got the opposite or maybe people with my thoughts don’t exist here I’ve only spoken to one man with the same opinion as me. And the reason my post is so long is to explain my point better so you’ll understand sorry it bothered you. I think I came to the wrong place to express my thoughts. Maybe this site is only for men who only look at trans women as a fetish and ts women who don’t care or who don’t even realize.

[filghy2]

What makes you think I am obsessed with this. Why are you making assumptions.

As for attraction to a ts woman I’m not obsessed by that I could careless what you do with a trans women I was giving my opinion and which also is actually a fact when you think about it men on top or men who fucks trans women actually like these women for their feminine looks and features. But men who are bottoms or inbetween only treat trans women as a fetish, they don’t respect trans women as they claim to that bullshit. You may think you do but you don’t.

I think I came to the wrong place to express my thoughts. Maybe this site is only for men who only look at trans women as a fetish and ts women who don’t care or who don’t even realize.

It's good to know you're not obsessed, you're not making assumptions and you don't care what we do with trans women.

Do you wonder why nobody with similar preferences is coming to your defence? Could it be that they find your incoherent rants a bit embarrassing?

This forum has obviously been taken over by "fetishists" why don't you boycott it and refuse to ever post here again? Perhaps you could start a new forum for real TS lovers and ban anyone who shows signs of this fetishism.

[timetoplay2468]

It's good to know you're not obsessed, you're not making assumptions and you don't care what we do with trans women.

Do you wonder why nobody with similar preferences is coming to your defence? Could it be that they find your incoherent rants a bit embarrassing?

This forum has obviously been taken over by "fetishists" why don't you boycott it and refuse to ever post here again? Perhaps you could start a new forum for real TS lovers and ban anyone who shows signs of this fetishism.

Embarrassing? Incoherent? No You and I simply don’t agree with each other. Nice shaming language though. My opinion are based on what I’ve researched and what is actually going on be tween men and transwomen. You can ignore facts if you want to. But what’s sad is you don’t even realize your enforcing a negative stereotype about transwomen and men that are watching these pornos or reading these forums are going to think that’s what all trans woman want and the dysfunctional cycle is going to continue. And you don’t have to worry about me posting.

[broncofan]

Why is it that when you cut through the garbage of most of the incoherent threads, the op really just wants to say "I'm straighter and more masculine than you?" It's juvenile as hell. I don't have any commentary on it except to say that if you mix with enough people there are probably those who would judge you the same way you judge other people. And that's wrong, but why pretend there's this conspiracy against tops when really you just want to tout your masculinity?

[filghy2]

There's that, but I also think he may really be a sort of sexual puritan obsessed about "true" TS love being corrupted by depraved "fetishism". It really sounds like a variant of the rigid old-fashioned view of male and female sex roles translated into transsexuality.

Interestingly, of the 22 posts he has made, all but three are related to this issue. He actually started another thread with an even longer diatribe on a similar theme. http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?107553-Questions-about-pornstars-and-their-fans-in-the-ts-community&p=1855170#post1855170 But he's not obsessed of course.

[timetoplay2468]

Why is it that when you cut through the garbage of most of the incoherent threads, the op really just wants to say "I'm straighter and more masculine than you?" It's juvenile as hell. I don't have any commentary on it except to say that if you mix with enough people there are probably those who would judge you the same way you judge other people. And that's wrong, but why pretend there's this conspiracy against tops when really you just want to tout your masculinity?

There’s the assumption again. I’m not touting my masculinity. Just asking a question on something I’ve noticed on this site.

[timetoplay2468]

There's that, but I also think he may really be a sort of sexual puritan obsessed about "true" TS love being corrupted by depraved "fetishism". It really sounds like a variant of the rigid old-fashioned view of male and female sex roles translated into transsexuality.

Interestingly, of the 22 posts he has made, all but three are related to this issue. He actually started another thread with an even longer diatribe on a similar theme. http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?107553-Questions-about-pornstars-and-their-fans-in-the-ts-community&p=1855170#post1855170 But he's not obsessed of course.

Wow you went so far as to look up my info on my profile. Why??? What were you hoping to find. Just to start more shit right??? now that’s juvenile. Also This post is geared towards other posts I’ve seen talking about Sean Michaels and other members on the post. Did you ever think of that???

[filghy2]

And you don’t have to worry about me posting.

Well that didn't last long. You know the more you keep responding, the more laughably pathetic your repeated claims not to care too much about this look.

Self-awareness really isn't your strong suit, is it.

[broncofan]

There's that, but I also think he may really be a sort of sexual puritan obsessed about "true" TS love being corrupted by depraved "fetishism". It really sounds like a variant of the rigid old-fashioned view of male and female sex roles translated into transsexuality.

Interestingly, of the 22 posts he has made, all but three are related to this issue. He actually started another thread with an even longer diatribe on a similar theme. http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?107553-Questions-about-pornstars-and-their-fans-in-the-ts-community&p=1855170#post1855170 But he's not obsessed of course.
Thanks for the reading material. I did notice that but I didn't take it sincerely because he almost makes it sound like he decided to be a top because it's affirming to ts women. Obviously if he's a top it's because that's what he likes. Then there was the weird stuff about touching the penis to provide a "helping hand", as though he needed to say it's for them not him. I'm surprised he didn't say he closes his eyes when he does it.

The idea about him really respecting ts women and others being fetishists is there as you say, and I think it and the masculinity stuff is self-justification. I don't understand the hierarchies people try to create around sex. Like what you like. Find someone you're compatible with and who likes you. That's it.

[broncofan]

There’s the assumption again. I’m not touting my masculinity. Just asking a question on something I’ve noticed on this site.
You couldn't have noticed something that didn't happen. The person who agreed with you is Mr. Fanti. I have no other comments about that.

All that weird extraneous stuff about the appeal of masculinity and other people's inferior likes was what exactly? Do you even lift bro?:)

[filghy2]

I did notice that but I didn't take it sincerely because he almost makes it sound like he decided to be a top because it's affirming to ts women. Obviously if he's a top it's because that's what he likes.

I don't understand the hierarchies people try to create around sex.

Actually, there's quite a few top-only guys on this forum who feel the need to justify their preferences in those terms, though they are not usually as extreme as this guy. I think there's pretty clear reason why some TS admirers feel the need to differentiate themselves from others. But obviously saying that is just further evidence of the conspiracy to shame top-only guys.

[crazyeditor]

True at the end of the day it’s what you like and what your into.

Indeed

[Laphroaig]

If you look in the stories section you’ll. Find evidence of this.



Still waiting on examples of this evidence...


Did it ever occur to you that I don’t argue back with a person. It’s fucking pointless. It’s childish. We obviously don’t agree with each other and we’re not going to change our minds so why would I keep going. You obviously want to start drama. Did it also occur to you that I actually have a life to live instead of arguing with someone online.

As I've already said, I'm one of your alleged hated minority on here. I don't know how the others of us feel, but did it ever occur to you that I don't need white knighting and am perfectly capable speaking up for myself should the need ever arise, which it never has.

Don't try to speak on other peoples behalf when you haven't a clue, take your "research material" from fiction and porn, and can't form a coherent, consistent argument...


I think I came to the wrong place to express my thoughts. Maybe this site is only for men who only look at trans women as a fetish and ts women who don’t care or who don’t even realize.

It's been said many times before on here, which if you'd done your research properly you'd know, that this site doesn't always exactly represent the reality of the wider trans community. It's a porn forum after all...

[Laphroaig]

Actually, there's quite a few top-only guys on this forum who feel the need to justify their preferences in those terms, though they are not usually as extreme as this guy. I think there's pretty clear reason why some TS admirers feel the need to differentiate themselves from others. But obviously saying that is just further evidence of the conspiracy to shame top-only guys.

I've never felt the need to justify my preferences, but did often take the time to point them out when writing reviews. Usually to help prevent readers from wasting their time. Basically a warning that if you're a bottom this review will be of limited use to you.

[filghy2]

I've never felt the need to justify my preferences, but did often take the time to point them out when writing reviews.

To be clear, I have no objection to people expressing their preferences. My objection is to those who can only do so by putting down others in comparison. It's telling that our antagonist has spent very little time talking about what he likes and a lot of time worrying about what other people like.

[ACarrera]

I've never bottomed before. I don't hate any guy who's into that or sucking dick. I think I remember seeing threads mentioning hate towards actors like Christian XXX and Ramon a while ago. That they are not involved enough or something. Christian has but Ramon has never bottomed. I can't see Ramon being a bottom. I don't think they are doing a bad job. I think some fans may be jealous. I imagine it's not easy to be a pornstar. And the ones who don't are probably not into being topped. Or maybe the girl isn't for that scene, who knows. But I'm sure there are guys/ fans who want to see it all in movies, dominating woman and being dominated at the same time. And that's probably where the hate comes from. Fans want to see their fantasy acted out. Outside of porn people will always judge you for being into what they aren't into. Everyone is different. But when it comes to transgender woman a lot of guys lie about their attraction. Just look at these rappers getting caught up these days. Especially the one from SoCal who tried to hookup with Nikita Dragun. OP mentioned something about liking transgenders to cover up being gay. IMO men who are attracted to transgenders aren't gay. This is my opinion. Maybe there are guys who will say that's gay out of fear, but we all know a good majority of men are attracted to transgenders. Not all, but a great majority. I was never attracted to men and never will be. But I could never hate someone who is. But my attraction to trans woman is really recent. Before that it never crossed my mine. Where I live there are many hispanic transgenders, and I recently started to notice them. From there it lead to transgender porn then dating. And then an attraction to big asses. Everyone's story is different just as their preference is. If guys want to top only let them do their thing. Bottom only, let them. Both, knock yourself out.

[alan327]

Thanks ACarrera! Like & agree with what you wrote here! You pretty much said what I feel on this subject.
i have not bottomed or topped but maybe someday I will. Just Love shemales!

[Nick Danger]

Wow you went so far as to look up my info on my profile. Why???

Flighty does his research. He can tell me things I said 6 months ago, and he will too, if I ever appear to contradict myself. I have not decided yet if this is because Flighty has way too much time on his hands, takes these conversations way too seriously, or if he simply has an extremely good memory and isn't afraid to use it. In any case, he keeps people honest around here.


But obviously saying that is just further evidence of the conspiracy to shame top-only guys.

I've been looking into this alleged conspiracy. Most people are unaware that the media they consume daily, in the form of news and entertainment, is essentially dished out by 6 people. Those people are Sumner Redstone, Bob Iger, Jeff Bewkes, Brian L. Roberts, Rupert Murdoch, and Kazuo Hirai - the CEO's of the 6 corporations that own 95% of Western Civilization's media outlets.

If there is indeed a conspiracy to shame top-only men, one or more of these guys is behind it.

So I got with my buds on the dark web and checked on their sexual preferences:

Sumner Redstone - A gay pedophile, only likes boys younger than 8, but is a top.

Bob Iger - A cuckold, hires BBC's to fuck his wife while he masturbates, can only cum when his wife is giving him the finger as she moans in ecstasy and a huge black cock hammers her in the asshole. However, when he actually does some fucking, he's a top.

Jeff Bewkes - A virgin with a micro-penis so small it is nearly inverted.

Brian L. Roberts - Strictly a sadist. And a top. With an 11-inch trouser monster. Fucks to kill.

Rupert Murdoch - Here's our most likely top-hater. He's been bottoming since he accidentally jumped on a seatless bicycle at age 11. Frequently hosts Train Parties where he is the only caboose.

Kazuo Hirai - Strictly vomit porn.

So I think Murdoch is our guy, and further research shows that Fox News has recently featured stories entitled "How to Prepare Your Colon For Sex" and "Buttfuckers - What's To Love?" - http://tinyurl.com/http-www-foxnews-com-us-how

[Stavros]

Rupert Murdoch - Here's our most likely top-hater. He's been bottoming since he accidentally jumped on a seatless bicycle at age 11. Frequently hosts Train Parties where he is the only caboose.

So I think Murdoch is our guy, and further research shows that Fox News has recently featured stories entitled "How to Prepare Your Colon For Sex" and "Buttfuckers - What's To Love?"

You don't need the dark web to uncover unsavoury facts about phone hacking soft-porn publisher Rupert Murdoch. When his UK 'newspaper' The Sun printed topless models on Page 3 the ages of the models ranged from 16 upwards. One of the most famous 16-year olds who had a career as model and pop singer is Samantha Fox -the headline when she appeared on Page 3 was 'Sam, 16, Quits A-Levels for Ooh-Levels'.

Problem for Murdoch is that 16 makes this underage porn in rather a lot of states in Rupert Murdoch's country, the USA, not that he cares. The law was changed in 2003, the Sexual Offences Act making it illegal to publish photos of models under the age of 18.

[Laphroaig]

To be clear, I have no objection to people expressing their preferences. My objection is to those who can only do so by putting down others in comparison. It's telling that our antagonist has spent very little time talking about what he likes and a lot of time worrying about what other people like.

No problem, It's equally telling that the OP has yet to provide any valid examples of this hatred of tops on here, whether from the General section, or the Stories, where the evidence allegedly resides. The best he's managed to dig up so far is Ramon, who seems to be generally disliked as a performer anyway.

[filghy2]

Flighty does his research. He can tell me things I said 6 months ago, and he will too, if I ever appear to contradict myself. I have not decided yet if this is because Flighty has way too much time on his hands, takes these conversations way too seriously, or if he simply has an extremely good memory and isn't afraid to use it. In any case, he keeps people honest around here.

I do have a pretty good memory Nick. I had a hunch that our concerned citizen joined this site just to vent about his hobby horse and I was right. His very first post was to start another thread on this same topic. It doesn't take a lot of effort to check the posting history of someone who's made only 20 or so posts.

Perhaps I do have too much time on my hands, but I actually like debating as form of entertainment.

[eric_x99]

OK I'm back on this forum after quite some time away, and this is the weirdest thread I've ever seen! lol wtf?! :)

[filghy2]

OK I'm back on this forum after quite some time away, and this is the weirdest thread I've ever seen! lol wtf?! :)

I guess you haven't caught up with BostonBad's threads yet
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?105738-Is-Semen-Good-to-eat
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?105837-Has-anyone-tried-to-butt-chug-a-nip-of-booze-b4-anal-sex

[Laphroaig]

I guess you haven't caught up with BostonBad's threads yet
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?105738-Is-Semen-Good-to-eat
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?105837-Has-anyone-tried-to-butt-chug-a-nip-of-booze-b4-anal-sex

Bostonbad is a mere amateur compared to these two classic threads from jamesedwards and holzz...

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?95256-RUMP-ROASTING!-That-is-to-suck-cum-from-the-ass

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?101391-better

[broncofan]

Bostonbad is a mere amateur compared to these two classic threads from jamesedwards and holzz...

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?95256-RUMP-ROASTING!-That-is-to-suck-cum-from-the-ass

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?101391-better
The weirdest but also funniest part of that thread was some guy named gugaxamot offering an unusual level of support for James' weird posts. Stuff like "James posts beautiful things" or "you just don't understand the beauty he has to share with the world." Those aren't real quotes but it was odd.

[BostonBad]

I guess you haven't caught up with BostonBad's threads yet
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?105738-Is-Semen-Good-to-eat
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?105837-Has-anyone-tried-to-butt-chug-a-nip-of-booze-b4-anal-sex

Don't forget about who produces the most semen!

Thank you for your kind words Filghty2.

[BostonBad]

Back to the conversation.

Sometimes I top sometimes bottom.

But when you work all week, you're tired out and u just want to do almost nothing and have fun there is nothing like laying on ur back.

I like my ankles near my ears and a hot hung ts bouncing down over and over again so hard I can feel my insides shake. The best time I had been fucked went down like that 20 min after a glass of wine and 1/4 bottle of Robitussin was butt chugged. It settled me down, I could relax.

[Laphroaig]

The weirdest but also funniest part of that thread was some guy named gugaxamot offering an unusual level of support for James' weird posts. Stuff like "James posts beautiful things" or "you just don't understand the beauty he has to share with the world." Those aren't real quotes but it was odd.

This was the famous quote.


James shares beautiful words. He does not share diarrhea.

[filghy2]

That reminds me of another guy who loves to use the word 'beautiful' in odd contexts.
https://qz.com/1086942/21-unexpected-things-that-donald-trump-thinks-are-beautiful/

[filghy2]

But when you work all week, you're tired out and u just want to do almost nothing and have fun there is nothing like laying on ur back.

Do you actually manage to hold down a steady job? You've already told us that you spend half the day thinking about your obsession, which doesn't make you sound like the ideal employee.

[BostonBad]

I am talented while actually working. So that gives me 1/2 the day to think about semen, cocks and ts women..

[BostonBad]

Do you actually manage to hold down a steady job? You've already told us that you spend half the day thinking about your obsession, which doesn't make you sound like the ideal employee.

After she made my insides shake she jammed her cock down my throat as deep as she could with no regard for me and cummed. I couldnt really taste it but felt it squirting deep down my throat.

[Laphroaig]

After she made my insides shake she jammed her cock down my throat as deep as she could with no regard for me and cummed. I couldnt really taste it but felt it squirting deep down my throat.

Oh dear, daydreaming at work again...:rolleyes:

Burgers don't serve themselves...

[filghy2]

Burgers don't serve themselves...

If I ever go to Boston again I think I'll stay away from the burgers

[Laphroaig]

If I ever go to Boston again I think I'll stay away from the burgers

BostonBadBurgers... :dead-1:

[BostonBad]

BostonBadBurgers... :dead-1:

What about Whalburgers?

[BostonBad]

If I ever go to Boston again I think I'll stay away from the burgers

You don't want a cumburger?