*TARGET!*

[Quinn]

Mystique,

While I have seldom found myself in agreement with you – due mostly to what I see as a very misandronist perspective – you always spoke your mind and showed resilience in the face of criticism. Our differences notwithstanding, I am sorry to hear about your employment related problems and wish you the best of luck.

-Quinn

[Legend]

Thanks for the enlightenment mystique, it seems like you girls struggle with so many adversities just trying to live and yet you are so positive.Not that it may not hold much weight with you but you'll always have my utmost respect.

[peggygee]

MystiquEvolution

Rarely am I at a loss for words.

You have left me speechless, in a good way. 8)

I will be in touch with you.

Take care.

Peg...

[lust4ts]

since joining this site with some fucked up and frankly wrong veiws I feel I have learnt alot about transgender women and there everyday lives. This thread has gone along way to teaching me alot more thank you for your knowledge sincerely.

[ezed]

To whom it may concern,



Hey toots I still luv ya, thou we argued and also stood side by side arguing with others. We will never be lovers, OBIVIOUSLY, but I think you're a hot shit, and I like you!

Outside of here is the same as inside of here because we all live outside of here, but there we wear masks and are harder to identify.

[Caleigh]

Thanks for a great post on the situation faced by non-escorting girls in particular.

[NYCe]

Excellent post.

[bunzy]

Hey MystiquEvolution that was a great post, i hope you forgive me for critisizing you in the past for being a "lesbian", which is something i still don't understand but yet accept it, but your post just gave me another perspective on i view some of the ts-women.
God bless you and take care!

[suckseed]

Transwomen like you are exactly what I had in mind when I got on my soapbox a couple of weeks ago about how guys that bag on TS's here because of their looks need th STFU. Well done and best of luck.

[BeardedOne]

Damn good read! As always.

What do you/did you do in the corporate world? I have a feeling that you worked for the same entity that bagged a friend of mine recently, after twenty years of loyal service. :x

[TonyStarx]

good post

[tommytuu]

To whom it may concern,

In light of all the drama that’s been going on recently, I’ve decided to compose those post for all. Other members of this site are allowed to freely speak their peace, knowing their loyal followers will chime in to agree. While others, are very much put on display for whatever comes to mind at the time. Many of the girls take quite a bit of heat, for numerous reasons. Some bring it upon themselves (myself included), but others are just used as examples. Whatever the case may be, at some point we are all “Targets.”

We’ve all heard the usual, I want a REAL, beautiful completely PASSABLE, TS girlfriend. Someone with this type of look, these types of wants and desires, someone respectable, intelligent, etc. There is nothing wrong with that at all. We all have preferences. However, you must realize, in the big picture there will always be a flaw. Many of the girls you all adore as either sex symbols or just flat out gorgeous, have probably paid the price. Of course I’m referring to ESCORTING. That seems to be a word many of you hate to hear. Still, it’s a reality and we all know it. Escorting and pornography of some kind, allows many of these ladies, the means to create perfection. Just transitioning alone is a price to pay. We risk losing family, friends, love, jobs, education and our lives, all for the sake of just being able to be who we are. That’s not said to make anyone feel sorry or more sympathetic for us. Be who you are and do what you do. We always will, which is why many choose the adult entertainment field. It’s marketable and provides a way to make money to progress. You see all the pictures of the gorgeous women, but many didn’t start off that way. Allanah, Gia and Vicki for example, have gone on talkshows and have shown where they came from. They’ve run down the list of procedures and surgeries they’ve had. It’s not easy and it’s not cheap by any stretch of the imagination. In my experience, the most beautiful transsexual women, have always done some type of work in the adult industry. To sum this part up, if not for the adult industry, many of the women you see would still be working on the finished product.

On the other side of the fence, we have the girls that choose NOT to escort. These are the women who usually transition extremely slowly, because let’s face it…money doesn’t fall from trees in the corporate world. I can speak better about this, because I’m not an escort and never have been. Which is why, 5 years into my transition, I haven’t achieved a surgery yet. Not by choice of course. After working 40 hours a week and having your check butchered by taxes, insurance, etc…that doesn’t leave much. Whatever is left must be rationed out to the necessities (cost of living, transportation, food, clothes). I’m sure all of you are used to that. Now add on laser electrolysis ($100-$500 per visit depending on the area for hair removal); hormones (I don’t know about anyone else, but mine are $90 per month); and then surgery and other procedures ($500 and WAY UP!!!). Can you balance that budget? Chances are, probably not. As I’ve said to many girls who are down about escorting, there isn’t much difference between what they do and what I do. We both have to dress up to cater to the scene. We both get paid by the hour. We both are probably in positions we’d rather not be in. The advantage…at least as an escort, you know you are getting fucked; you know who you are getting fucked by and when it’s going to happen. The corporate world is more cutthroat than any gay scene. At a moments notice, you can be out of a job and judging by the current state of this country…it’s not going to get any better. I was laid off last year, due to a company buyout and location closure. Over a year later and I’m still looking for work. That’s extremely depressing, especially since I know what I’ve missed out on. It was either, get my implants and be flat broke…or use that money to maintain until the next job comes along. Which did I choose? You can all complain about girls who escort and say that you want this and that in a TS girlfriend, but trust me…you’d more than likely gravitate towards the better looking, more “put together” girl.

With that out of the way, we all still have issues to do with. When we are just starting transition, we have to deal with a lot of scrutiny. People saying “You’ll never make it as a girl.” “You’ll never be pretty, passable or even cute.”, “I just don’t see it for you.” That’s usually from the other girls and the gay men of “the scene.” From straight society, they look at you like you are the biggest abomination ever created. All of course, speaking from my personal experiences, but I know others who have gone through the same. As we progress, the evil looks, turn to curiosity as you start looking more like the woman you’ve always known you could be. Once everything is finally completely years later, you become this fabulous girl that some people fantasize over. It’s still never good enough because there are always critics. I recall someone making reference to Allanah going on Maury, not setting a good example. She doesn’t have to set an example for anyone, except herself and the same goes for all girls. Just because one woman progresses from before to Goddess, it doesn’t mean she the automatic spokeswoman for us all. She’s worked hard for what she has. We all have. She, like some others have learned how to turn herself into a business. Parties, videos, websites, talkshows, etc…she’s all over and she always sports a smile (at least from what I see). Any girl would who has achieved so much. Don’t hate, congratulate!

The last thing I’ll touch on is, perception. It’s the general perception that all transsexual women date men. That is definitely not the case. As someone here loves to say “most transsexuals are into men.” That’s probably true, but then again, not every girl puts herself out in the open like that. It’s a common assumption and nothing more. There are transsexuals who are straight, bisexual and lesbian (AHEM!!! ME!!!) There are A LOT of women who are into transsexuals also. The common reason why it’s never brought up: Most women think that all transsexuals are strictly into men. I’m glad I’ve been able to change that point of view for many men, women and transsexuals. A lot of people will frown up their face in confusion over anything other than what’s “normal” to them. Just remember, if you don’t like boy-on-boy, girl-on-girl, ts-on-ts, etc…just remember there are many people in the world who still don’t agree with transsexual as even being people. We are perceived as sex objects also. That’s not the case with everyone. We are no different than the rest of the world and we have a lot more depth than many give us credit for. We are professionals, entertainers, mothers, daughters, sisters…we are everywhere. Even if you can’t tell. Whether we work 9a-5p or 5p-9a…we all still want love the same as any other human being. Regardless of what we do to get to where we want to be…we know where we started from and where we are going. The big question for a lot of us is…will we have someone to share this life with or not.

So there you have it. You didn’t ask for it, but I gave it to you directly as always. There’s a lot more that could be said, about a wide array of things. What’s the fun in boring you with all of that though? Take from this what you want. Some of you have mentioned, that you wish the girls had thicker skin or more backbone to stick up for ourselves…or at least stick around. If nothing else, you ALL know I have no problem standing my ground. I do it because I want to, not because I have to. None of us do…which is why a lot of the girls leave. True, many of the girls come back eventually, but I’m one girl you won’t have to worry about on here. Much of what I’ve said will probably be met with negativity and that’s fine. We all are entitled to say, do and feel whatever we damn well deem necessary. Hopefully, some positives are taken from this.

Good luck to all in your future endeavors. Who knows, maybe I’ll see some of you at Allanah’s parties one day. Best wishes to all I was cool with. For those who I had issues with or had issues with me, let’s face it…I’m a bitch, but such a fuckin’ lady! *LOL*

Peace, blessings, much love and respect!

*Smooches*
MystiqueThe problem with this Mystique, as is the problem with most of your posts, is that this positive light that you want us to view trannies in only applies to a very small segment of the trannie population. And of course we always get the "I don't like men" disclaimer in every one of your posts.

[BrendaQG]

Ok as hard as this is for many of you to believe this is proof that not all transsexuals are in "the life". You know the scene in West Hollywood, Manhattan, Wrigelyville, and Miami. Escorting, porno, various adult entertainments. I'll bet there are some people who will read this who think that all pretty TS's are in that life... False

Between 1/500 (Conway (http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TS/TSprevalence.html)) and 1/30,000 (DSM (http://www.genderpsychology.org/transsexual/dsm_iv.html)) live births will result in a transsexual averaging those gives a 1.25% chance a kid will be TS of any kind transitioning at any age. There are 300 Million people in the USA. So ther are about 375000 transsexuals of any kind in the USA. Transwomen outnumber transmen by about 20:1. So there are about 300000 transwomen. Most of them will be unavailable to date, married and much older than anyone here. Say 1/3 - 1/6 of them are of dating age and eligable. That leaves 100,000-50,000 t-girls Meagabody or anyone else could possibly hook up with. Based on what I see on this site and what one can pull up by googleing "transsexual porno" many of the same names come up. Correct me if I am wrong, I am just guessing about this number, about 4000 T-girls have made erotic work their life or are living "the life". Even if that number is doubled that leaves 42,000 t-girls who are eligable(pretty) and of dating age.

That is at least 42000 TS's who could do erotic work who either do not ever do it or only do it as [i]they[/t] need it. They have other goals in life that a long X-rated filmography could hinder. That is not a tiny fraction of the TS community that is most of the pretty passable TS's in the USA.

You know girls this is all just a strange outgrowth of the same sexism all women deal with. To the men who rule the world we are just sex objects. Woman enough to objectify and get off on but not woman enough to be protected like XX women. We are the ones it is still safe to be jerks too. :-( At least in the minds of the tranny chasers.

(one caveat is that though those ~42000 will have needed to do some dirty deeds at some point. Its the nature of being TS, of being such a smalll minority. None of us got this way by being boyscouts.).

[tommytuu]

Ok as hard as this is for many of you to believe this is proof that not all transsexuals are in "the life". You know the scene in West Hollywood, Manhattan, Wrigelyville, and Miami. Escorting, porno, various adult entertainments. I'll bet there are some people who will read this who think that all pretty TS's are in that life... False

Between 1/500 (Conway (http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TS/TSprevalence.html)) and 1/30,000 (DSM (http://www.genderpsychology.org/transsexual/dsm_iv.html)) live births will result in a transsexual averaging those gives a 1.25% chance a kid will be TS of any kind transitioning at any age. There are 300 Million people in the USA. So ther are about 375000 transsexuals of any kind in the USA. Transwomen outnumber transmen by about 20:1. So there are about 300000 transwomen. Most of them will be unavailable to date, married and much older than anyone here. Say 1/3 - 1/6 of them are of dating age and eligable. That leaves 100,000-50,000 t-girls Meagabody or anyone else could possibly hook up with. Based on what I see on this site and what one can pull up by googleing "transsexual porno" many of the same names come up. Correct me if I am wrong, I am just guessing about this number, about 4000 T-girls have made erotic work their life or are living "the life". Even if that number is doubled that leaves 42,000 t-girls who are eligable(pretty) and of dating age.

That is at least 42000 TS's who could do erotic work who either do not ever do it or only do it as [i]they[/t] need it. They have other goals in life that a long X-rated filmography could hinder. That is not a tiny fraction of the TS community that is most of the pretty passable TS's in the USA.

You know girls this is all just a strange outgrowth of the same sexism all women deal with. To the men who rule the world we are just sex objects. Woman enough to objectify and get off on but not woman enough to be protected like XX women. We are the ones it is still safe to be jerks too. :-( At least in the minds of the tranny chasers.

(one caveat is that though those ~42000 will have needed to do some dirty deeds at some point. Its the nature of being TS, of being such a smalll minority. None of us got this way by being boyscouts.).First off, I'm not a chaser. I, at one time did desire to develop an ltr with a trannie. I grew out of that and now they are nothing more than a sexual turn on that I satisfy through the computer. Haven't had sex with one in over a year. I don't go to parties or the stroll looking for any. I don't know where in the hell you get 42,000 PRETTY, available trannies. Any website I've seen that posts trannie personal ads not for money, they mostly look like men in drag. If you find that attractive, good for you, I don't. This comes from many yrs of experience dealing with trannies. Didn't just wake up liking them.

[rick_932]

MystiquEvolution, thanks for the great post. im wishing the best for you during the job hunt. dont give up, things will eventually fall into place :wink:

[shutheight]

I love thoroughbred horse racing.

Why would I surf to a message forum on dog racing and post about my disdain for dog racing?

I think the Internet community calls that trolling.

I've burned a lot of daylight surfing the web. There are a few sites that are geared to serious discussions of transition, including proper relationship management. I do not seem to be welcome at those sites. However, anyone seems to be welcome here.

Unfortunately for you, this site has a completely light-hearted lean to admirers, not transsexual activists. (There is a political forum within this group. You may have better luck there.)

Those who we admire are who they are and responsible for how they became. Those who do not want to be a part of this culture can abstain from this community.

[BrendaQG]

First off, I'm not a chaser. I, at one time did desire to develop an ltr with a trannie. I grew out of that and now they are nothing more than a sexual turn on that I satisfy through the computer. Haven't had sex with one in over a year. I don't go to parties or the stroll looking for any. I don't know where in the hell you get 42,000 PRETTY, available trannies. Any website I've seen that posts trannie personal ads not for money, they mostly look like men in drag. If you find that attractive, good for you, I don't. This comes from many yrs of experience dealing with trannies. Didn't just wake up liking them.

Your first mistake is looking in personal ads. How desperate does one have to be to post a personal ad.

Your second mistake is that you are just looking on your computer. There is a wide wide world to explore outside your window. That is where the pretty passable TS's who do not escort and do not do porn live. You never notice them out there because they are passable. Unless of course they are pretty then you notice that.

From what you said about this all being a fantasy though I can see why your view of TS women is so myopic. To see that there are TS women, who do not look ugly who you could like in real life would destroy that fantasy.

Now I am going to log off and go out into that wide wide world. Join the rest of us in it. It's fun out there.

[peggygee]

:cry: The choir is missing a beautiful, and powerful voice :cry:

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/blackchoir.jpg :cry:

The fight continues, Sister 8)

[tommytuu]

First off, I'm not a chaser. I, at one time did desire to develop an ltr with a trannie. I grew out of that and now they are nothing more than a sexual turn on that I satisfy through the computer. Haven't had sex with one in over a year. I don't go to parties or the stroll looking for any. I don't know where in the hell you get 42,000 PRETTY, available trannies. Any website I've seen that posts trannie personal ads not for money, they mostly look like men in drag. If you find that attractive, good for you, I don't. This comes from many yrs of experience dealing with trannies. Didn't just wake up liking them.

Your first mistake is looking in personal ads. How desperate does one have to be to post a personal ad.
Your second mistake is that you are just looking on your computer. There is a wide wide world to explore outside your window. That is where the pretty passable TS's who do not escort and do not do porn live. You never notice them out there because they are passable. Unless of course they are pretty then you notice that.

From what you said about this all being a fantasy though I can see why your view of TS women is so myopic. To see that there are TS women, who do not look ugly who you could like in real life would destroy that fantasy.

Now I am going to log off and go out into that wide wide world. Join the rest of us in it. It's fun out there.First off, I don't look at personals looking for tgirls. I browse them and happen to notice how beastly most of them are. Secondly, I've spent many a year in that wide world that you speak of meeting and dealing with trannies. Pretty pasable trannies are in countries like brazil, argentina, thailand. I have not had a chance to visit those countries as of yet. And lastly, I chose to view trannies through the computer only because I know for me they are just sexual arousal. Don't want a relationship with them. Again, this decision was made after many year of exp. Thanks for your concern.

[peggygee]

[quote=tommytuu].First off, I don't look at personals looking for tgirls. I browse them and happen to notice how beastly most of them are.

Secondly, I've spent many a year in that wide world that you speak of meeting and dealing with trannies. Pretty pasable trannies are in countries like brazil, argentina, thailand. I have not had a chance to visit those countries as of yet. And lastly, I chose to view trannies through the computer only because I know for me they are just sexual arousal. Don't want a relationship with them. Again, this decision was made after many year of exp. Thanks for your concern.

Gee, this is very disheartening to hear:

First, all of the Information Technology jobs are going to India. Factories are closing and manafacturing jobs are going to other countries.

Everything is being outsourced.

And now to hear that America can't even produce decent looking transwomen, well I say this country is going to 'Hell in a hand basket'. :roll:

To the guys, when you are with a 'provider'
or transwoman in general, be sure and
look for this label.
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/made-in-the-usa3x2.jpg
HELP PROTECT THE ENDANGERED
AMERICAN TRANSWOMAN !

[Pauldee2007]

Niclely put and very informational. I understand an agree. Nevertheless, I found that the little exposure I've had has been very positive, exciting and comfortable. I too am not looking ofr an escort, I'm tired of non-relationships.
Her is my post and I would appreciate any advice.
Thanks.
:o
ISO of very petite prett passable TS for seriour relationship.