Mexico Finally Recognized Its Black Citizens, But That’s Just The Beginning

[MrFanti]

What took them so long?
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mexico-finally-recognized-its-black-citizens-but-thats-just-the-beginning_us_568d2d9ce4b0c8beacf50f6b
https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-35981727
https://www.cnn.com/2012/11/20/opinion/navarrette-mexico-racism/index.html

The issue of racism is not always Black and White & is more complex than most of us think....

[filghy2]

It;s true that racism is not just a white thing. It's also true that it's always the strong who get to persecute and exploit the weak, and invent rationalizations for doing so. White people happen to have been the ones in the stronger position over the past few centuries.

[blackchubby38]

So I guess this is going to be like the drinking and driving vs guns argument. Okay, I'll play along:

1. Yes racial discrimination is not always a black and white issue. All you have to do is look at how Hispanics view each other to know that. When I was growing up, Puerto Ricans thought they were superior to the other Hispanic groups. Its a shame that they had to find out the hard way that most white people don't feel the same way.

White skinned Cubans have been known to do better in society than Cubans with darker skin.

Most Hispanic groups, especially Mexicans, don't like black people. There was a reason why I made a comment in the Immigration thread about feeling like a stranger in a neighborhood you grew up in.

There is a racial hierarchy among Asians.

And yes since I know someone is probably going to make a comment about it, black people can be racist too.

2. Sometimes power and not race is the reason reason for persecution and exploitation of a minority group. Other times its religion. Case in point, the Troubles in Ireland or the Shites vs Sunnis in the Muslim world.

But having said all that, when it comes to most instances of racism, white people just seem to do it better than anyone else.

[MrFanti]

White people happen to have been the ones in the stronger position over the past few centuries.
I would debate that depends on locale.
For example after WW-II and into the 1980s at least, many people from SE Asia did not like the Japanese for obvious reasons....

[MrFanti]

So I guess this is going to be like the drinking and driving vs guns argument.

You made that assumption - I've said no such thing within this thread.
And if you read the links that I provided, it has to do with Mexico officially recognizing it's Black populace.....

[Stavros]

The issue of racism is not always Black and White & is more complex than most of us think....

But who in the Politics & Religion section has ever argued racism was a 'Black & White' problem -other than you?

And if 'Hispanics' from Cuba think they are 'better' than 'Hispanics' from Honduras, that is not racism anyway, but it might be prejudice. Ever wondered why Texans think they can achieve more than Iowans? Nothing to do with race.

[broncofan]

You made that assumption - I've said no such thing within this thread.
And if you read the links that I provided, it has to do with Mexico officially recognizing it's Black populace.....
You've said almost nothing about the subject and it looks like you randomly plucked three articles from a hastily performed google search. One of the articles is from 2012 and was inspired by a trip taken by the author to a delegation intended to strengthen the ties between Mexican Americans and Jewish Americans. The other two are from 2016 and discuss the subject of Mexico recognizing Mexicans of African descent but you said nothing in your initial post about the role that recognizing a minority group has in protecting that group's substantive rights.

If this issue was important to you why did you not start a thread back in 2016 since you joined up in 2013? Surely you're not trying to use internal problems with racism in Mexico to justify putting little children in cages are you?

[MrFanti]

You've said almost nothing about the subject
It's purely an informative post that I'll wager many people didn't know about.
Anything is pure speculation and assumption by you.

Information...that's all...information....
And since I happen to be Black myself, I have an interest in this type of information....

[MrFanti]

More information....as the article states "Where's the recognition"?
https://timeline.com/mexico-slave-gaspar-yanga-staged-a-bloody-rebellion-b58611fdb6f0

[broncofan]

It's purely an informative post that I'll wager many people didn't know about.
Anything is pure speculation and assumption by you.

Information...that's all...information....
But you must like digging....
Not really. You have one trick in your bag of tricks. I'll let you in on one trick I know. If you want to have a good conversation you might want to write something informative about the subject to show you digested what you linked. The recognition happened in 2016 and you are just posting about it now immediately after posting some weird and uninformed stuff in the other thread.

Seems kind of like what Paul Krugman called Trump's "blood libel" where he trots out families who have had family members attacked by illegal immigrants because he hopes he can vilify Mexican people. His and your antics are made worse by the fact that undocumented people have lower crime rates than American citizens. As for the subject of the thread, do you have any of your own words on the subject? Do you think being a recognized minority group is sufficient or necessary for being treated equally under the law? I'm not saying it's not useful or important but it seems you haven't even mined the issue at all.

[broncofan]

I won't clutter up your thread any more. I agree it could be an interesting subject if you actually said anything about it, but I think it's more likely you mean to tie it to the immigration thread.

[MrFanti]

As this thread illustrates & how I stated earlier, racism isn't always black n' white...
https://sports.yahoo.com/telemundo-host-makes-racist-gesture-air-s-korea-rescues-mexicos-world-cup-2-200735305.html?.tsrc=daily_mail&uh_test=2_13

[MrFanti]

White people happen to have been the ones in the stronger position over the past few centuries.
I would add/modify this to say that as the TOPIC of this thread illustrates, we Black people seem to be most often on the receiving end, regardless of what race/culture the instigator is.

[natina]

hispanics our european The problem arises because


The problem arises because people refer to

hispanics as "the 4th race" when in fact they are a hybrid of the three fundamental races.

But the point with language is that words mean what people mean by them and not a textbook or scientific definition. And in that sense, most people see enough commonality among enough hispanics for the word to have common currency.

So, they become a de facto race.


hispanic's have origin from spain


there are a mix with white,native american,african

The Eyes of Nye - Race


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCDcl9s9Vh4&feature=channel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzGM1nv_oow&feature=channel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EyeNi6qsfs&feature=channel

Journey of Man: A Genetic Odyssey (Part 1 of 13)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OV6A8oGtPc4&feature=related

White skin appeared just 20,000 to 50,000 years ago, as dark-skinned humans migrated to colder climes and lost much of their melanin pigment.

http://discovermagazine.com/2007/feb/20-things-skin


see there is no biological basis for the idea of a white or black or asian


Race is an old concept that should probably be discarded. It was

created by people who had a very limited knowledge of their world. If you

look at any genetic map (mitochondrial or Y chromosome DNA), you can

see there is no biological basis for the idea of a white or black or asian

race.

Here's a map

http://www.bradshawfoundation.com/journey/

"I was able to trace the family trees of several prominent people

everyone regardless if you are white ,Spanish ,Mexican or Asian

can traced there origins back to two Ethiopians ,a man and a women.


these two Ethiopians are everyones ancestors


http://www.africandna.com/tests.aspx
http://www.africandna.com/tests.aspx

http://www.africandna.com/

http://www.africandna.com/history.aspx

http://www.africandna.com/history.aspx
http://www.africandna.com/tests.aspx


Henry Louis “Skip” Gates, Jr., (born September 16, 1950) is an American literary critic, educator, scholar, writer, editor, and public intellectual.

[natina]

Mexico & Peru: A Hidden Race

well many african americans have IRISH,scotis,native american,french and spanish roots

Think of the Whitest person you know:Now think of the darkest person you know:
http://www.africandna.com/history.aspx

Think of the Whitest person you know: someone with blond hair, blue eyes and almost translucent skin, not a drop of Black ancestry in them. Now think of the darkest person you know: someone richly endowed with traditional African features, not even a drop of White ancestry in their past. Well, guess what? Scientists now trace the origins of both of these people-and of all human beings who have ever walked the face of the earth-to Black Africa, to the region around what is now Ethiopia. As Spencer Wells, the director of National Geographic's massive Genographic Project, puts it: "Our species evolved in Africa, and a subset of Africans left that continent around 50,000 years ago to populate the rest of the world. Our earliest ancestors probably looked very much like modern Africans."
This would have been news to "Bull" Connor and Orval Faubus and countless other racists from our past. It is also news to most of our White

Program: Black in Latin America
Episode: Mexico & Peru: A Hidden Race
Professor Gates explores the almost unknown history their significant black populations: the two countries together received far more slaves than did the United States.
• Visit the Mexico & Peru: A Hidden Race webpage

http://video.pbs.org/video/1915580662/

[MrFanti]

Program: Black in Latin America
Episode: Mexico & Peru: A Hidden Race
Professor Gates explores the almost unknown history their significant black populations: the two countries together received far more slaves than did the United States.
• Visit the Mexico & Peru: A Hidden Race webpage

http://video.pbs.org/video/1915580662/

Thanks Natina - you get the point of this thread! :cool: