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08-20-2002, 04:04 PM
this dumb tgirl bitch gonna tell me
"if you can suck a tgirls cock, you can suck a guys cock, and if you can fuck a tgirl (or get fuckedby a tgirl) you can fuck/get fucked by a guy"
I tried to tell her dumbass that she's looking at it through a matter of semantics and that it's a 2 different situations. That's like saying if you can eat bacon, you can eat human flesh

thanos
08-20-2002, 08:52 PM
That's a pretty stupid slippery slope for her to follow.

Trekmeister66
08-30-2002, 11:03 PM
She may think it's true, but this is one guy who wouldn't. Nothing wrong with a fine looking transsexual from top or bottom. Guys? E-w-w-w!

09-01-2002, 08:29 PM
i love sucking girls with cock,but i would never suck a boy cock.......blackwood69@email.com

Headman
09-07-2002, 08:07 PM
True that I could not even imagine sucking a guys cock. It makes me sick to my stomach to thing about even looking at another guy. TGirls to are truly women in every since of the word. She is very wrong. Guys like us would not even imagine being with a guy. I won't even look at a Tgirl that is too masculine it turns me off.

ABSOLUTE SHADE
10-31-2004, 01:36 AM
LOL..

U GUYS HAVE 2 BE KIDDING ME!!!!


WHY DONT U BE HONEST WITH YOURSELF?

I ONLY SUCK SHE MALE COCK BECAUSE IM FUSTRATED!

A COCK IS A COCK...

SUCKING COCK DOESNT MAKE U STR8...THIS ISNT MY OPINION..IT'S A FACT!

IT MAKES U BISEXUAL OR GAY! NOT STR8

mykeylykey
10-31-2004, 03:24 AM
ABSOLUTE-LY . . . NOT

Speak for yourself bro. Do everyone a fav and don't project your own auto-biography, cuz, your singin' to the choir on this one.

Personally, if I had my genie in a bottle 3 wishes, I'd . . .

1) whip-up room service with a bangin' GG on the menu
2) whip-up room service with an ultra feminine TS on the menu
3) if I couldn't get the first 2, I'd skip room service, head down to the casino, score an eightball and 2 hookers, and then let the good times roll baby

So, you dig chuggin' cock, even if it's hangin' off a dude? Cool, no prob, but that's your thing, not ours . . .

peace,
mykey

ABSOLUTE SHADE
10-31-2004, 03:47 AM
IM NOT A DUDE! LOL

IM A PRE OP TRANSSEXUAL!!!

SO I KNOW WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT....I HAVE 2 DEAL WITH GUYS LIKE U ALL THE TIMES..

NO ONE THAT SUCKS COCK IS STR8!!! FACT NOT OPINION!

U ARE BISEXUAL..IF U DO THAT!

Ecstatic
10-31-2004, 05:09 AM
IM NOT A DUDE! LOL

IM A PRE OP TRANSSEXUAL!!!

SO I KNOW WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT....I HAVE 2 DEAL WITH GUYS LIKE U ALL THE TIMES..

NO ONE THAT SUCKS COCK IS STR8!!! FACT NOT OPINION!

U ARE BISEXUAL..IF U DO THAT!
You may be a pre-op transsexual, but it seems to me that you're nonetheless confusing sex and gender. Either/or distinctions of sexuality based soley on whether one has (or was born with) a penis or a vagina is, to my mind, an archaic and extremely limited polar view of human sexuality. There are many exceptions to the male/female dichotomy: sexually alone, there's male, female, and intersexed, but gender plays a far bigger role. I am bisexual and have been for over 30 years (and, I would argue, my entire life, though I was nearly 20 before I had my first same sex encounter), so I certainly don't claim to be str8. But when I'm with a beautiful, pre-op T, I see her fully as a woman, and I relate to her as a woman. Isn't this what you would want, as a pre-op T yourself? Her plumbing doesn't matter (well, yes, it does, I love a versatile girl, but that's not what I mean).

peb
10-31-2004, 05:50 AM
I think i could and enjoy it, although not as much as with a tgirl since i am more attracted to the feminine..I'm not attracted to many guys, but i'm sure i could enjoy hot sex with some.
I agree with the premise if you give oral to a TS you're not 100% straight..but really, who cares? (I never said i was 100% straight and all that..)

GroobySteven
10-31-2004, 06:12 AM
Well said Ecstatic - Shade the Jade, grow up and realise not everyone fits into your stereotype.
Bi-sexuality = being attracted to members of both sexes. ie; being attracted to a male and a female. Does a transgender fit into either of those categories? I think not. Does having a cock make someone a man? I think not.
What about a girl doing a guy with a strap-on?

There are just too many variables in transgenderism to fit into gay, bi or straight.
seanchai

ABSOLUTE SHADE
10-31-2004, 06:14 AM
I was speaking of the guys that claim 2 be "str8" when they suck trannie cock!

oooo and by the way "CLIENTS"......u know when you ask the escort if you are gay for doing that and they say "no"!

they are saying that 2 make u feel COMFORTABLE and come back!

LOL

P.S. There is nothing wrong with sucking TS dick or gettting f...ked by TS dick! Just don't be denial of what you are!

Labels aren't important but you guys make them IMPORTANT 2 urself by STATING OVER and OVER..how STR8 you are!!!

I'm not saying anyone is GAY..because 2 be GAY..u have 2 be attracted to men that look like men!

canihavu
10-31-2004, 06:30 AM
LOL..

U GUYS HAVE 2 BE KIDDING ME!!!!


WHY DONT U BE HONEST WITH YOURSELF?

I ONLY SUCK SHE MALE COCK BECAUSE IM FUSTRATED!

A COCK IS A COCK...

SUCKING COCK DOESNT MAKE U STR8...THIS ISNT MY OPINION..IT'S A FACT!

IT MAKES U BISEXUAL OR GAY! NOT STR8

I must disagree with you here. I cock is not a cock as everyone has their own personal preference. Sme may like large cocks, some small. Some like dark one some like lighter ones. Some guys like small framed tgirls while others like thicker, more vuluptuous tgirls. So to say if you like sucking tgirl cock, you can suck a guys cock is very narrow minded. JMO

ABSOLUTE SHADE
10-31-2004, 06:44 AM
all u guys are misunderstanding me!!!

i didnt say u would suck a guy's cock!!!

all i meant is that if u think sucking a trannie's cock makes u STR8!

u are mistaken!

canihavu
10-31-2004, 06:46 AM
all u guys are misunderstanding me!!!

i didnt say u would suck a guy's cock!!!

all i meant is that if u think sucking a trannie's cock makes u STR8!

u are mistaken!

OIC. THanks for cleaing that up!!!! :D

trentdolby
10-31-2004, 10:06 AM
Guys can be str8, gay, bi or tri.... As for me, no desire to be with another guy, thus not bi.... however, enjoying being with GG and TS makes that person "tri".... its all the difference in the world....

mykeylykey
10-31-2004, 11:01 AM
Shade the Jade, grow up and realise not everyone fits into your stereotype.

seanchai

SEANCHAI . . . thx for squashing this thing

ABSOLUTE-LY . . . NOT, you seem to look at the gender bender thing through a tampon (narrow with not a lot of absorbtion). You're all about putting everyone into neat n' tidy lil' compartments, sticking labels on us, and then throwing us up on the shelf. But, if you actually payed close attention sweetheart, while opening the cupboard, you'd notice a deep assortment of . . .

GAY

* top
* jock
* hair bear
* daddy
* leather dom
* sub
* boy
* smooth
* queen
* bottom

Bottom line, you may be a so called "service provider", but your dumb ass don't know shit about the what's/where's/why's and who's gay or straight . . .

mykey

Cobra78
10-31-2004, 11:35 AM
From the transexual women I've known, it was made brutally clear to me that they didn't see what was between their legs that defined them as a man or a woman, that a person's genitals aren't the summation and the end all be all of their sexuality. So if that's the case, anyone of us could suck cock or even pussy all day long and NOT be defined by who's cock or pussy we're sucking.

And I agree with that. If we truly are who we are by what's on the inside, and that the outside doesn't count, as most transexuals agree to, then a simple matter of flesh doesn't not make us who we are.

And what kind of cock are talking about? So does that make me gay or even bi because my girlfriend like to put on a strapon and fuck me with it? Where does this go? Where do we draw the line with this argument? To me, we are who are because we choose to be that thing. Society loves to group and classify everyone into black, white, gay, str8, etc etc. whatever.

We should all suck what we want to suck, even that means just our cock. That is, if you're lucky enough to be able to pull that off. :D

wukinpunub68
10-31-2004, 02:49 PM
The only difference is a visual difference and what your willing to accept when you open your eyes and realize who is sucking your dick or who your fucking. Now if your a guy that has dealt with women a transexuals are a very easy transition to dealing with dick and ass. If you want the illusion fine but it's no different. guys worrying about passable and not passable when you got a guy that looks like you and dresses like you but behind closed doors and when the lights go out it doen't matter

mykeylykey
10-31-2004, 06:22 PM
If this chuggin' cock hangin' from these hot, ultra fem TS's makes a flaming homo, LOL . . . bring it on baby :D

mykeylykey
10-31-2004, 06:26 PM
ditto for "munja a coolo" (tasting ass) of a smokin' hot TS . . .

mykeylykey
10-31-2004, 06:36 PM
yup . . . big phat f**kin' homo that's me baby :P

mykeylykey
10-31-2004, 06:41 PM
that includes tasty asian TS coolo . . .

ABSOLUTE SHADE
10-31-2004, 10:11 PM
LOL 2 ALL OF U MEN THAT BELIEVE U ARE STR8 AFTER SUCKING A TS PENIS:

I'm sorry...I'm not one of those girls that doesnt sugar coat things 4 u!

You guys are all right!!! You know everything!!!

That's why it's so important to keep it discrete that you sexual relationships with TS women!

That's why you are on the "down low"

That why most of you don't have relationships with TS women. (I didnt say all..I said MOST)

As far as the guys that openly bisexual (and I dont mean u tell everyone but that u have came to terms with it)...None of my comments are directed to you! Keep enjoying your shemale cock and hopefully you'll find your transsexual soulmate.

mykeylykey
10-31-2004, 11:04 PM
LOL 2 ALL OF U MEN THAT BELIEVE U ARE STR8 AFTER SUCKING A TS PENIS:

That's why it's so important to keep it discrete that you sexual relationships with TS women!

That's why you are on the "down low"

That why most of you don't have relationships with TS women.

No matter how we peel this thing, everyone comes away with their own juice (opinion). Fact is, most of us cats who dig (chase) TS's don't find 98% of you the least bit attractive. So no shit we're on the "down low" (not holding your hand & takin' you to the movies). Most of us (strt8 dudes) would rather save the coin, jump on a plane, go MACH I to the nearest and hottest TS destination . . .

NY
* allanah
* kim

PHILLY
* asia-lee

ATLANTA
* sheeba

FLORIDA
* camila
* melanie
* ivana-diamonds
* raquel
* shawna

TEXAS
* daisy

CALI
* madison/christina
* mia
* vanity
* saigon-lee
* sapphire
* cassandra-ela

BTW . . . I'm one of those boys who doesn't sugar coats thing 4 U either :wink:

mykey

magic9inch
10-31-2004, 11:25 PM
i would love to be with nefertiti. she is so fine

evil_twin
11-01-2004, 03:23 AM
I have a question.
What if you met a hot TS and she didn't take her clothes off and you unzipped her pants, pulled her dick and started sucking on her dick.
After you were finished, she took her wig off, took her padded bra off and took off the rest of her clothes and you realize you just sucked off a realy passable drag queen.
Are You Gay?

ABSOLUTE SHADE
11-01-2004, 03:39 AM
LOL

Why did she remove all her stuff? I find that kind of weird.

evil_twin
11-01-2004, 03:46 AM
LOL

Why did she remove all her stuff? I find that kind of weird.

she removed her clothes so I could make a point.
she was getting ready to take a bath cause she was sweaty.

ABSOLUTE SHADE
11-01-2004, 03:49 AM
I just find that so weird...because I first started....I wouldn't even remove my bra and this girl removed her wig?

so basically u saw her as a guy? what did u do when that happen?

magic9inch
11-01-2004, 03:51 AM
that is scary. i wouldnt know what to do if she did that. i would probably go off on her

evil_twin
11-01-2004, 03:53 AM
I just find that so weird...because I first started....I wouldn't even remove my bra and this girl removed her wig?

so basically u saw her as a guy? what did u do when that happen?

This never happen to me
I was trying to get a response to the question
hypothetical question.

mBomb
11-01-2004, 01:39 PM
LOL 2 ALL OF U MEN THAT BELIEVE U ARE STR8 AFTER SUCKING A TS PENIS:

I'm sorry...I'm not one of those girls that doesnt sugar coat things 4 u!

You guys are all right!!! You know everything!!!

That's why it's so important to keep it discrete that you sexual relationships with TS women!

That's why you are on the "down low"

That why most of you don't have relationships with TS women. (I didnt say all..I said MOST)

As far as the guys that openly bisexual (and I dont mean u tell everyone but that u have came to terms with it)...None of my comments are directed to you! Keep enjoying your shemale cock and hopefully you'll find your transsexual soulmate.

I've been dating Tgirls since I was 17, you're right. You have to realize there is a level of bi-sexuality in the act of sucking cock. It stems from my guys having this narcissistic view towards the penis itself. Guys admire cock, they're facinated by it. Anyone willing to experiment realizes this. Guys tend to go for TGirls because they realize it's the proverbial "Best of both worlds"

I sincerly have no idea how guys can pay $250 / $450 to get fucked once, then go back home to their wives. IF you're this desperate for osmething new, end the marrage. Find yourself. It isn't hard.

I've actually brought home alot of my ex's to meet some of my parents / family. They really couldn't give a shit less what I do, I don't live at home and I'm over 21. Most guys refuse to understand the "Stigma" of dating a Transgendered person isn't as high as you'd think.


To end this huge post: GO OUT AND MEET A FUCKING GIRL AND START A RELATIONSHIP INSTEAD OF GOING TO ESCORTS, IT'S RIDICULOUS.

lmw222001
11-01-2004, 08:37 PM
SheBabes?? Yeah I Love To Blow Them. Guys? No Fucking Way

8)

mykeylykey
11-02-2004, 03:11 AM
SheBabes?? Yeah I Love To Blow Them. Guys? No Fucking Way

8)

IMW222001,

Don't hold back bro, tell us how ya really feel . . . :P


mykey

LG
12-31-2004, 12:36 PM
I really get annoyed with (the small minority of) t-girls who consider tranny-lovers gay. If we were gay then this site would have as many photos of men sucking men (ewww yuck!) or doing men (double yuck!) as it does of pretty trannies.

Would those same trannies like it if we labelled them as men? Because if we are gay for being attracted to them, then that would mean they are actually guys, something which many haven't been for a long time and most would rather not be reminded about.

Gay men don't just do other men because they like anal sex or blowing cocks. They do it cause they like men. And since anal sex is enjoyable and the penis has always been a symbol throughout culture, straight men (those that don't get turned on by other men) look for girls with the possibility of giving and receiving pleasure in new and different ways.

To most t-girl admirers a penis on a girl is just about the sexiest thing imaginable, especially if she knows how to use it. Maybe it's also sexy to feel that the woman, for once, is in control.

And yes I think that if any man could bend over to suck their own then they would. Would that make them gay? Or wouldn't it just make them elastic?





Increase the peace.

bezane
12-31-2004, 09:45 PM
I date a GG (actually call her my girlfriend). She is a stripper here in Vegas. I like her a whole lot. We actually like a Transgender stripper that we've played with here and there. But in regards to this issue....here's my lithmus test:

Scenario: I come back to my hotel room after a long night out with the business associates. Much to my surprise, sitting in a chair in one corner of the room is Pam Anderson. She is rubbing herself. Sitting in another chair in another corner of the room is Danielle Foxx stroking herself. Which do I gravitate toward?

My girlfriend is giggling over my shoulder because she knows the answer I'm going to type...........Danielle!!!!!

Oh no!!!! Oh my God!!!!!!.......I'm bisexual!!!.

Ecstatic
12-31-2004, 11:20 PM
That is so funny! I can just see your girlfriend laughing over your shoulder. Cool that's she's into it, too. Welcome to the wonderful world of bisexuality. Of course, Pam Anderson doesn't do anything for me, and Danielle does, so there's no contest. But say it was a woman I've always admired for her beauty, talent, and intelligence: Elizabeth Gracen. And to extend your scenario, add a hung dude who's hard as a rail. Who do I choose? Danielle, hands down. Second choice (because I hesitated a moment and you took Danielle before I had the chance)? Liz. The hung dude? Hey, it would be fun, and I'd love handling his 9 inches of cold steel pipe, but otherwise I wouldn't be motivated. But add feminine charm to the mix, and you've got me.

Or put it another way: I've never paid for male or female companionship, but I will gladly pay for a TG. Doesn't mean I don't enjoy the others, but given the choice, there's no question for me.

anothervoyeur
01-01-2005, 12:44 AM
There's a big difference between "who you'll have sex with'" and "who you're attracted to". As a slut, yes, I will suck a man's cock. But I don't find the masculine form attractive - while I do find women (whether GG or TG) attractive.

Sure, I'll take the label bi, but, really, I do prefer the term slut, because it's a lot more accurate.

ONEWORLD
01-01-2005, 02:40 AM
Scenario...Much to my surprise, sitting in a chair in one corner of the room is Pam Anderson. She is rubbing herself. Sitting in another chair in another corner of the room is Danielle Foxx stroking herself. Which do I gravitate toward?

My girlfriend is giggling over my shoulder because she knows the answer I'm going to type...........Danielle!!!!!


WHOA!!!!!

...DANIELLE IS A CUTE GIRL AND ALL, BUT PAM "BARBWIRE" ANDERSON?

...NO FUCKING WAY WOULD I PASS THAT UP.



...TO EACH HIS OWN.

Ecstatic
01-01-2005, 05:59 AM
WHOA!!!!![/b]

...DANIELLE IS A CUTE GIRL AND ALL, BUT PAM "BARBWIRE" ANDERSON?

...NO FUCKING WAY WOULD I PASS THAT UP.

...TO EACH HIS OWN.
Not me. She looked fine back in the 80s when she was the Bud girl in Canada (or something like that) prior to her first Playboy appearance. But all that silicone and makeup and fakery, not for me. Not that the tgirls we know and love don't go in for silicone and makeup, but the t's I'm attracted to don't come off as plastic.

partlycloudy
01-01-2005, 06:27 AM
pamelas days are over

eclipse2000b
01-01-2005, 06:46 AM
I agree with Shade. When a man sucks a penis, no matter how you want to frame it, it is homosexual contact. Does that make you Gay? Well, no it does not. Does it make you bisexual? Yes, it does and there's nothing at all wrong with being bisexual. It's really cool that guys like Ecstatic can admit that they are bisexual and get on with life.

Second, another conundrum. A lot of us transwomen have come-out and up thru the gay community and see ourselves as part of the lbgt umbrella. So if you have sex with one of us and we claim to be gay in that sense then are we having gay sex, but you are having straight sex all in the same act? :)

Finally, it's cool that this thread doesn't have personal attacks and is just opinions. But I've noticed that when guys get pissed at girls on here the first thing they do is call them 'dude' or 'man,' etc. What gives there? If a transwoman is towing the 'party line' she's a woman. If she disagrees she's a man? Think about it....

RangeHova
01-01-2005, 09:51 AM
It really ain't as simple as a dick is a dick.

It's all a state of mind. If you accept, treat, and view your T-woman fully as a woman that whatever you do with her ain't gay or even bi.

When I first got around T-girls, the most amazing thing to me was that I never once could see a large number of them as males. This was long before I was even attracted to any of them. I've heard it from many of the people that have known some of my T friends as friends, co-workers, and associates.

I have slipped up and gotten w/ girls that haven't been all female. It's not about anything in particular (how they look, how they speak, how they do anything). It's a feeling, a state of mind and a state of being. You know it when you experience it. But no matter how good they look, how many curves they have bought, or how femme they act some t-girls you meet with are nothing but with a pretty outershell. Then there are the GOOD ones the ones that are all women no matter whats in thier panties.

Just as it ain't what's in the panties that makes a woman a woman, it ain't the sex act that makes a person (gay, bi, or straight).

I'm sure many disagree but if you ain't walked in my shoes you can't know where I have been. For a TS to tell me about myself and to tell me who I am, is like some non transperson telling you that you are simply a confused or to tell you that you are crazy, hate yourself, and all of that bullshit that people say about TS woman. We all have heard the know it all gay boys that claim to know the TS girls better than they know themselves just because they have been around a few here and there.

Society has no concrete definition of the TS so how can you really put a label on those who are invloved with them?

This is life, you can't ever truly DEFINE another human.

RangeHova
01-01-2005, 09:52 AM
It really ain't as simple as a dick is a dick.

It's all a state of mind. If you accept, treat, and view your T-woman fully as a woman that whatever you do with her ain't gay or even bi.

When I first got around T-girls, the most amazing thing to me was that I never once could see a large number of them as males. This was long before I was even attracted to any of them. I've heard it from many of the people that have known some of my T friends as friends, co-workers, and associates.

I have slipped up and gotten w/ girls that haven't been all female. It's not about anything in particular (how they look, how they speak, how they do anything). It's a feeling, a state of mind and a state of being. You know it when you experience it. But no matter how good they look, how many curves they have bought, or how femme they act some t-girls you meet with are nothing but with a pretty outershell. Then there are the GOOD ones the ones that are all women no matter whats in thier panties.

Just as it ain't what's in the panties that makes a woman a woman, it ain't the sex act that makes a person (gay, bi, or straight).

I'm sure many disagree but if you ain't walked in my shoes you can't know where I have been. For a TS to tell me about myself and to tell me who I am, is like some non transperson telling you that you are simply a confused or to tell you that you are crazy, hate yourself, and all of that bullshit that people say about TS woman. We all have heard the know it all gay boys that claim to know the TS girls better than they know themselves just because they have been around a few here and there.

Society has no concrete definition of the TS so how can you really put a label on those who are invloved with them?

This is life, you can't ever truly DEFINE another human.

Ecstatic
01-01-2005, 05:47 PM
I agree with Shade. When a man sucks a penis, no matter how you want to frame it, it is homosexual contact. Does that make you Gay? Well, no it does not. Does it make you bisexual? Yes, it does and there's nothing at all wrong with being bisexual. It's really cool that guys like Ecstatic can admit that they are bisexual and get on with life.
Hey, thanks, eclipse! Happy New Year to you! Coming out as bisexual is really the most natural thing in the world to me; it's been a part of who I am for nearly as long as I can remember and something I've never hid from those for whom it's relevant.

Nice distinction between the sexual act itself being homosexual but not necessarily gay: this gets back to the difference between sexual orientation and gender identification. In the purest XY chromosomal sense of male/female body parts and sexuality, yes, by definition a man sucking a penis is involved in a homosexual [same sex] act. So what? In terms of gender, if the penis is attached to a transwoman who is fully gender identified as a woman, then it's not gay; if the penis is attached to a man who gender identifies as male--regardless of how gay he may be--it is gay. The only biological exception to this is sex with an intersexed person (someone with a different chromosomal makeup, such as XXY): the bipolar sexual dyad no longer applies in such a case (though gender identification does). The transwomen I have been with are not gay men (though as you say they may have begun their transition as gay men: in point of fact, a few of those I've known did, while others identified as girls from childhood and really never went through a gay phase). I say this with surety based on the number of gay men (of a wide range of types) that I have known over 30 years: regardless of their differences, they were all men.


Second, another conundrum. A lot of us transwomen have come-out and up thru the gay community and see ourselves as part of the lbgt umbrella. So if you have sex with one of us and we claim to be gay in that sense then are we having gay sex, but you are having straight sex all in the same act? :)
Two points of view, one act: for one, it may be gay and for the other straight. Are you looking at it from a third point of view, as an outside observer? Two people make love. The guy thinks it's the hottest sex he's ever had, but the woman thinks, ho-hum, I'd rather be shopping, this guy is soooo boring. Can both be right? Each for him/herself, yes. An outside observer might notice the disconnection between the two partners, but still, it was hot for one and at best tepid for the other. Likewise, in his mind, the guy in your scenario thinks he's having straight sex (he's top, he doesn't suck her dick, he is enjoying her purely as a woman) but the transwoman (who wants her srs but hasn't transitioned fully yet) still thinks of the act as homosexual and will do so until she has srs. Both are correct from their own perspectives, and the outside observer will impose his/her own interpretation.

Consider this variation on your scenario: it's completely dark, and the TS has managed to hide her penis from the guy so that he doesn't know she's not a natural woman. She offers her ass to him, and he takes it, but he never notices her male parts. Is it still homosexual sex? (I've never experienced this, but I've read many descriptions of just such a "trick" played on a guy by a TS who doesn't want him to know--many girls in fact have boasted of fooling guys this way.) Or consider that she has had her srs, and then has sex with a guy. Is it homosexual then? Well, most of us would say not, because she now has a vagina rather than a penis. But she still has the XY chromosome balance, still needs hormonal therapy, still is prone to male biological tendency (male pattern baldness, etc.--mitigated by the hormones, yes, but nonetheless still present). So you could argue that it's still homosexual.

My point? What difference does it make?


Finally, it's cool that this thread doesn't have personal attacks and is just opinions. But I've noticed that when guys get pissed at girls on here the first thing they do is call them 'dude' or 'man,' etc. What gives there? If a transwoman is towing the 'party line' she's a woman. If she disagrees she's a man? Think about it....
Good point, eclipse.

bezane
01-01-2005, 09:00 PM
Let's ban together guys (and girls!) and invent a new word that will once and for all put this "gray area" to rest. We can attempt to placate those fragile ego's, chest beaters and paranoids that insist they are macho, even with the proverbial "cock in mouth".

We're all sure we don't like: faggot, homo, gay and now even "bi" is shunned (oh my!).

How about: "transsexual receiver"? or "transsexual connector"?

But I think that the mere mention of the prefix "trans" will send many of our macho bretheren running for the closet.

How about: "bi-hetero" (whatever the fuck that means), i'm sure this will keep a lot happy. Or one of the old favorites....."specialsexual" or "consexual" (this one does not refer to the play on the word "consent." Nor does it have anything to do with the Spanish term "con" meaning "with". It has to do with combining the two words "con"....as in, to con or hustle and "sexual." In other words....Who the hell are you conning faggot?

C'mon everyone. Give it your best shot. One entry per person. Absolute Shade can judge. Why not. It's the new year.

Felicia Katt
01-01-2005, 10:03 PM
my entry

heteroflexible

meow

Felicia

Ecstatic
01-01-2005, 10:45 PM
Felicia, I like it! I was going to suggest omnisexual, which might be more accurate, but heteroflexible has a great ring to it! I go with bisexual tp describe my own orientation because it's the most comprehensive term in general use, but since I don't limit people to the male/female dyad, "bi-" is less true than "omni-".

ONEWORLD
01-03-2005, 06:54 AM
pamelas days are over


http://www.hungangels.com/board/files/andersonnomakeup.jpg

I HATE TO BREAK THE BAD NEWS TO YA, BUT PAM WAS WEARING THE SAME MAKE-UP 10 YEARS AGO. AS I'VE SAID A THOUSAND TIMES, I NEVER BASE MY OPINION ON A WOMAN/TS BASED ON PICTURES. PAM ANDERSON AND ANY OTHER PLAYMATE REALLY, ARE AVERAGE TO ABOVE AVERAGE IN THE LOOKS DEPARTMENT...THAT'S WITHOUT THE MAKE-UP...IF YOU REALLY WANT TO TALK ABOUT GENETIC MARVELS OF NATURE, THEN LOOK AT FASHION MODELS. THAT'S WHERE YOU SEE THE 5'10 TO 6 FEET FREAKS OF NATURE WITH PERFECT BONE STRUCTURE AND FACIAL SYMMETRY (GISELLE BUNDCHEN, CHRISTY TURLINGTON, NAOMI CAMPBELL)...I LIKE PAM BECAUSE FIRST OF ALL, SHE'S NOT A DIVA...VERY DOWN-TO-EARTH AND SECOND; SHE KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT MEN WANT AND GIVES IT TO THEM EVERY FUCKING TIME THEY SEE HER...

YOU SEE ONE ADVANTAGE THAT TRANSEXUALS HAVE OVER GENETIC GIRLS IS THE FACT THAT GENETIC WOMEN DON'T ALWAYS WANT TO CATER TO MAN'S FANTASY...SHE DOESN'T ALWAYS WANT TO BE A SEX OBJECT; WHEREAS TRANSEXUALS WANT TO THE OBJECT OF A MAN'S DESIRE ALL DAY, EVERYDAY...NOW YOU HAVE EXCEPTIONS: STRIPPERS, PLAYMATES AND OTHERS WHO MAKE A LIVING FROM THEIR LOOKS


BTW. SINCE WE ARE POSTING PICTURES OF PEOPLE WITHOUT MAKE-UP, LET'S POST SOME PICTURES OF THESE TRANSEXUAL GIRLS WITHOUT MAKE-UP THAT MEANS A WASHED FACE. TRUST ME THAT YOU WILL SEE FAR WORSE PICTURES THAN THE ONE ABOVE...

ONEWORLD
01-03-2005, 06:56 AM
DUPLICATE POST

partlycloudy
01-03-2005, 08:52 AM
i know a lot of it (beauty,looks,whatever) has to do with makeup. im just saying shes past her prime

ONEWORLD
01-03-2005, 10:20 AM
I LIKE THAT PICTURE...

IT'S VERY TENDER AND REVEALING...
















BUT IT'S NOT "WASHED FACE". :wink:

lmw222001
01-03-2005, 07:35 PM
People Can Call Me Whatever They Want,I Really Don't Give A Shit.I've Never Blown A Guy,Don't Want To Blow A Guy And Will Never Blow A Guy.
Wendy,Allanah,Gia,Joanna Etc. Now Them I'll Blow In A Heartbeat-Along With Plenty Of Others I Have Blown.
Guys? No Fucking Way.

eclipse2000b
01-03-2005, 11:32 PM
Happy New Year to you Ecstatic!

I think it again comes down to what Ecstatic termed idealism vs. realism a while back. Personally, I don’t care what any two consenting adults do. In a perfect world, we could just go and do what we want without having to use names/terms/classifications. But ours is not a perfect world or society. Sex is political in our society—witness the last election.

When guys suck dick (or get sodomized) and claim to be ‘straight’ it allows them to have homosexual contact, but not take any of the social ‘heat.’ I don’t think it’s psychologically healthy either for that matter. As Shade pointed out a lot of tranny chaser sex is on the “down low.” Few are open with family and friends about their tastes and practices (they suck dick and get sodomized). Webster’s Dictionary defines a penis as the ‘male sexual organ.’ Society defines it as such as well. So if a man puts a male sexual organ in his mouth that is homosexual contact. I think most transsexuals will refer to their penis as a ‘male’ sex organ, although they gender identify as female. Some of us get our male sex organs surgically altered to become female sex organs. Hence there’ not really an “out” here. Men that take a male organ into their mouth are engaging in homosexual conduct. Now is that Gay? In a generic sense it is, but using the term ‘gay’ is not very accurate in my humble opinion.

Gay refers to several things. First, it is the umbrella term for gay men, lesbians, transgendered people, the intersexed and bisexuals. In a more specific sense if refers to men who personally or publicly acknowledge their sexual preference for other men as far as finding them sexually and socially stimulating. I doubt if anyone on this board classifies as a gay man in that sense. On the other hand, they would classify as homosexuals because of their sexual activities with the male sexual organs of another person. However, most of the guys here claim to date genetic females as well as transwomen, so I’d say that they were bisexuals. On the other hand, if you are only dating transwomen and performing fellatio or being sodomized then I would say that person was a homosexual.

My point about the name calling (“so and so’s a MAN and has a Man face, etc”) is that a lot of you don’t REALLY believe that we are women anyway. That much is clear by the plethora of insults that refer to transwomen as ‘dude.’ Now, I’m certainly not saying that about every guy who posts here, b/c a lot are complete gentlemen and even n disagreement respectful. But as Ecstatic agreed, it’s pretty common for guys to revert to ‘fag bashing’ when they are upset. So, if those women are ‘fags’ and ‘dude’ when you are mad at them what does that make you when you were drooling over their pictures?

Further, I respectfully submit that straight guys are out pursuing genetic females in the way you guys pursue ‘packed panties’ and ‘most hung angel’ and so on. In the other post about the penis fetish, we kind of came to a consensus that the tranny chaser community has a penis fetish. I don’t think this is typical of straight men.

Finally, it’s pretty funny that the guy who made the original post came here to ask the question. I wonder what kind of response he’d get if he posted the same question on ESPN or SPIKE or MAXIM boards?

Just to make ya think….

Eclipse

PS. Ecstatic: Your scenario about the guys fucking the ts and not knowing. I think he still is straight because he didn’t know. Now if he starts sucking her dick then it’s a whole ‘nother ballgame! 

eclipse2000b
01-03-2005, 11:34 PM
Happy New Year to you Ecstatic!

I think it again comes down to what Ecstatic termed idealism vs. realism a while back. Personally, I don’t care what any two consenting adults do. In a perfect world, we could just go and do what we want without having to use names/terms/classifications. But ours is not a perfect world or society. Sex is political in our society—witness the last election.

When guys suck dick (or get sodomized) and claim to be ‘straight’ it allows them to have homosexual contact, but not take any of the social ‘heat.’ I don’t think it’s psychologically healthy either for that matter. As Shade pointed out a lot of tranny chaser sex is on the “down low.” Few are open with family and friends about their tastes and practices (they suck dick and get sodomized). Webster’s Dictionary defines a penis as the ‘male sexual organ.’ Society defines it as such as well. So if a man puts a male sexual organ in his mouth that is homosexual contact. I think most transsexuals will refer to their penis as a ‘male’ sex organ, although they gender identify as female. Some of us get our male sex organs surgically altered to become female sex organs. Hence there’ not really an “out” here. Men that take a male organ into their mouth are engaging in homosexual conduct. Now is that Gay? In a generic sense it is, but using the term ‘gay’ is not very accurate in my humble opinion.

Gay refers to several things. First, it is the umbrella term for gay men, lesbians, transgendered people, the intersexed and bisexuals. In a more specific sense if refers to men who personally or publicly acknowledge their sexual preference for other men as far as finding them sexually and socially stimulating. I doubt if anyone on this board classifies as a gay man in that sense. On the other hand, they would classify as homosexuals because of their sexual activities with the male sexual organs of another person. However, most of the guys here claim to date genetic females as well as transwomen, so I’d say that they were bisexuals. On the other hand, if you are only dating transwomen and performing fellatio or being sodomized then I would say that person was a homosexual.

My point about the name calling (“so and so’s a MAN and has a Man face, etc”) is that a lot of you don’t REALLY believe that we are women anyway. That much is clear by the plethora of insults that refer to transwomen as ‘dude.’ Now, I’m certainly not saying that about every guy who posts here, b/c a lot are complete gentlemen and even n disagreement respectful. But as Ecstatic agreed, it’s pretty common for guys to revert to ‘fag bashing’ when they are upset. So, if those women are ‘fags’ and ‘dude’ when you are mad at them what does that make you when you were drooling over their pictures?

Further, I respectfully submit that straight guys are out pursuing genetic females in the way you guys pursue ‘packed panties’ and ‘most hung angel’ and so on. In the other post about the penis fetish, we kind of came to a consensus that the tranny chaser community has a penis fetish. I don’t think this is typical of straight men.

Finally, it’s pretty funny that the guy who made the original post came here to ask the question. I wonder what kind of response he’d get if he posted the same question on ESPN or SPIKE or MAXIM boards?

Just to make ya think….

Eclipse

PS. Ecstatic: Your scenario about the guys fucking the ts and not knowing. I think he still is straight because he didn’t know. Now if he starts sucking her dick then it’s a whole ‘nother ballgame! 

eclipse2000b
01-03-2005, 11:38 PM
Happy New Year to you Ecstatic!

I think it again comes down to what Ecstatic termed idealism vs. realism a while back. Personally, I don’t care what any two consenting adults do. In a perfect world, we could just go and do what we want without having to use names/terms/classifications. But ours is not a perfect world or society. Sex is political in our society—witness the last election.

When guys suck dick (or get sodomized) and claim to be ‘straight’ it allows them to have homosexual contact, but not take any of the social ‘heat.’ I don’t think it’s psychologically healthy either for that matter. As Shade pointed out a lot of tranny chaser sex is on the “down low.” Few are open with family and friends about their tastes and practices (they suck dick and get sodomized). Webster’s Dictionary defines a penis as the ‘male sexual organ.’ Society defines it as such as well. So if a man puts a male sexual organ in his mouth that is homosexual contact. I think most transsexuals will refer to their penis as a ‘male’ sex organ, although they gender identify as female. Some of us get our male sex organs surgically altered to become female sex organs. Hence there’ not really an “out” here. Men that take a male organ into their mouth are engaging in homosexual conduct. Now is that Gay? In a generic sense it is, but using the term ‘gay’ is not very accurate in my humble opinion.

Gay refers to several things. First, it is the umbrella term for gay men, lesbians, transgendered people, the intersexed and bisexuals. In a more specific sense if refers to men who personally or publicly acknowledge their sexual preference for other men as far as finding them sexually and socially stimulating. I doubt if anyone on this board classifies as a gay man in that sense. On the other hand, they would classify as homosexuals because of their sexual activities with the male sexual organs of another person. However, most of the guys here claim to date genetic females as well as transwomen, so I’d say that they were bisexuals. On the other hand, if you are only dating transwomen and performing fellatio or being sodomized then I would say that person was a homosexual.

My point about the name calling (“so and so’s a MAN and has a Man face, etc”) is that a lot of you don’t REALLY believe that we are women anyway. That much is clear by the plethora of insults that refer to transwomen as ‘dude.’ Now, I’m certainly not saying that about every guy who posts here, b/c a lot are complete gentlemen and even n disagreement respectful. But as Ecstatic agreed, it’s pretty common for guys to revert to ‘fag bashing’ when they are upset. So, if those women are ‘fags’ and ‘dude’ when you are mad at them what does that make you when you were drooling over their pictures?

Further, I respectfully submit that straight guys are out pursuing genetic females in the way you guys pursue ‘packed panties’ and ‘most hung angel’ and so on. In the other post about the penis fetish, we kind of came to a consensus that the tranny chaser community has a penis fetish. I don’t think this is typical of straight men.

Finally, it’s pretty funny that the guy who made the original post came here to ask the question. I wonder what kind of response he’d get if he posted the same question on ESPN or SPIKE or MAXIM boards?

Just to make ya think….

Eclipse

PS. Ecstatic: Your scenario about the guys fucking the ts and not knowing. I think he still is straight because he didn’t know. Now if he starts sucking her dick then it’s a whole ‘nother ballgame! 

eclipse2000b
01-03-2005, 11:41 PM
Happy New Year to you Ecstatic!

I think it again comes down to what Ecstatic termed idealism vs. realism a while back. Personally, I don’t care what any two consenting adults do. In a perfect world, we could just go and do what we want without having to use names/terms/classifications. But ours is not a perfect world or society. Sex is political in our society—witness the last election.

When guys suck dick (or get sodomized) and claim to be ‘straight’ it allows them to have homosexual contact, but not take any of the social ‘heat.’ I don’t think it’s psychologically healthy either for that matter. As Shade pointed out a lot of tranny chaser sex is on the “down low.” Few are open with family and friends about their tastes and practices (they suck dick and get sodomized). Webster’s Dictionary defines a penis as the ‘male sexual organ.’ Society defines it as such as well. So if a man puts a male sexual organ in his mouth that is homosexual contact. I think most transsexuals will refer to their penis as a ‘male’ sex organ, although they gender identify as female. Some of us get our male sex organs surgically altered to become female sex organs. Hence there’ not really an “out” here. Men that take a male organ into their mouth are engaging in homosexual conduct. Now is that Gay? In a generic sense it is, but using the term ‘gay’ is not very accurate in my humble opinion.

Gay refers to several things. First, it is the umbrella term for gay men, lesbians, transgendered people, the intersexed and bisexuals. In a more specific sense if refers to men who personally or publicly acknowledge their sexual preference for other men as far as finding them sexually and socially stimulating. I doubt if anyone on this board classifies as a gay man in that sense. On the other hand, they would classify as homosexuals because of their sexual activities with the male sexual organs of another person. However, most of the guys here claim to date genetic females as well as transwomen, so I’d say that they were bisexuals. On the other hand, if you are only dating transwomen and performing fellatio or being sodomized then I would say that person was a homosexual.

My point about the name calling (“so and so’s a MAN and has a Man face, etc”) is that a lot of you don’t REALLY believe that we are women anyway. That much is clear by the plethora of insults that refer to transwomen as ‘dude.’ Now, I’m certainly not saying that about every guy who posts here, b/c a lot are complete gentlemen and even n disagreement respectful. But as Ecstatic agreed, it’s pretty common for guys to revert to ‘fag bashing’ when they are upset. So, if those women are ‘fags’ and ‘dude’ when you are mad at them what does that make you when you were drooling over their pictures?

Further, I respectfully submit that straight guys are out pursuing genetic females in the way you guys pursue ‘packed panties’ and ‘most hung angel’ and so on. In the other post about the penis fetish, we kind of came to a consensus that the tranny chaser community has a penis fetish. I don’t think this is typical of straight men.

Finally, it’s pretty funny that the guy who made the original post came here to ask the question. I wonder what kind of response he’d get if he posted the same question on ESPN or SPIKE or MAXIM boards?

Just to make ya think….

Eclipse

PS. Ecstatic: Your scenario about the guys fucking the ts and not knowing. I think he still is straight because he didn’t know. Now if he starts sucking her dick then it’s a whole ‘nother ballgame! 

eclipse2000b
01-03-2005, 11:54 PM
Happy New Year to you Ecstatic!

I think it again comes down to what Ecstatic termed idealism vs. realism a while back. Personally, I don’t care what any two consenting adults do. In a perfect world, we could just go and do what we want without having to use names/terms/classifications. But ours is not a perfect world or society. Sex is political in our society—witness the last election.

When guys suck dick (or get sodomized) and claim to be ‘straight’ it allows them to have homosexual contact, but not take any of the social ‘heat.’ I don’t think it’s psychologically healthy either for that matter. As Shade pointed out a lot of tranny chaser sex is on the “down low.” Few are open with family and friends about their tastes and practices (they suck dick and get sodomized). Webster’s Dictionary defines a penis as the ‘male sexual organ.’ Society defines it as such as well. So if a man puts a male sexual organ in his mouth that is homosexual contact. I think most transsexuals will refer to their penis as a ‘male’ sex organ, although they gender identify as female. Some of us get our male sex organs surgically altered to become female sex organs. Hence there’ not really an “out” here. Men that take a male organ into their mouth are engaging in homosexual conduct. Now is that Gay? In a generic sense it is, but using the term ‘gay’ is not very accurate in my humble opinion.

Gay refers to several things. First, it is the umbrella term for gay men, lesbians, transgendered people, the intersexed and bisexuals. In a more specific sense if refers to men who personally or publicly acknowledge their sexual preference for other men as far as finding them sexually and socially stimulating. I doubt if anyone on this board classifies as a gay man in that sense. On the other hand, they would classify as homosexuals because of their sexual activities with the male sexual organs of another person. However, most of the guys here claim to date genetic females as well as transwomen, so I’d say that they were bisexuals. On the other hand, if you are only dating transwomen and performing fellatio or being sodomized then I would say that person was a homosexual.

My point about the name calling (“so and so’s a MAN and has a Man face, etc”) is that a lot of you don’t REALLY believe that we are women anyway. That much is clear by the plethora of insults that refer to transwomen as ‘dude.’ Now, I’m certainly not saying that about every guy who posts here, b/c a lot are complete gentlemen and even n disagreement respectful. But as Ecstatic agreed, it’s pretty common for guys to revert to ‘fag bashing’ when they are upset. So, if those women are ‘fags’ and ‘dude’ when you are mad at them what does that make you when you were drooling over their pictures?

Further, I respectfully submit that straight guys are out pursuing genetic females in the way you guys pursue ‘packed panties’ and ‘most hung angel’ and so on. In the other post about the penis fetish, we kind of came to a consensus that the tranny chaser community has a penis fetish. I don’t think this is typical of straight men.

Finally, it’s pretty funny that the guy who made the original post came here to ask the question. I wonder what kind of response he’d get if he posted the same question on ESPN or SPIKE or MAXIM boards?

Just to make ya think….

Eclipse

PS. Ecstatic: Your scenario about the guys fucking the ts and not knowing. I think he still is straight because he didn’t know. Now if he starts sucking her dick then it’s a whole ‘nother ballgame! 

eclipse2000b
01-04-2005, 12:19 AM
Happy New Year to you Ecstatic!

I think it again comes down to what Ecstatic termed idealism vs. realism a while back. Personally, I don’t care what any two consenting adults do. In a perfect world, we could just go and do what we want without having to use names/terms/classifications. But ours is not a perfect world or society. Sex is political in our society—witness the last election.

When guys suck dick (or get sodomized) and claim to be ‘straight’ it allows them to have homosexual contact, but not take any of the social ‘heat.’ I don’t think it’s psychologically healthy either for that matter. As Shade pointed out a lot of tranny chaser sex is on the “down low.” Few are open with family and friends about their tastes and practices (they suck dick and get sodomized). Webster’s Dictionary defines a penis as the ‘male sexual organ.’ Society defines it as such as well. So if a man puts a male sexual organ in his mouth that is homosexual contact. I think most transsexuals will refer to their penis as a ‘male’ sex organ, although they gender identify as female. Some of us get our male sex organs surgically altered to become female sex organs. Hence there’ not really an “out” here. Men that take a male organ into their mouth are engaging in homosexual conduct. Now is that Gay? In a generic sense it is, but using the term ‘gay’ is not very accurate in my humble opinion.

Gay refers to several things. First, it is the umbrella term for gay men, lesbians, transgendered people, the intersexed and bisexuals. In a more specific sense if refers to men who personally or publicly acknowledge their sexual preference for other men as far as finding them sexually and socially stimulating. I doubt if anyone on this board classifies as a gay man in that sense. On the other hand, they would classify as homosexuals because of their sexual activities with the male sexual organs of another person. However, most of the guys here claim to date genetic females as well as transwomen, so I’d say that they were bisexuals. On the other hand, if you are only dating transwomen and performing fellatio or being sodomized then I would say that person was a homosexual.

My point about the name calling (“so and so’s a MAN and has a Man face, etc”) is that a lot of you don’t REALLY believe that we are women anyway. That much is clear by the plethora of insults that refer to transwomen as ‘dude.’ Now, I’m certainly not saying that about every guy who posts here, b/c a lot are complete gentlemen and even n disagreement respectful. But as Ecstatic agreed, it’s pretty common for guys to revert to ‘fag bashing’ when they are upset. So, if those women are ‘fags’ and ‘dude’ when you are mad at them what does that make you when you were drooling over their pictures?

Further, I respectfully submit that straight guys are out pursuing genetic females in the way you guys pursue ‘packed panties’ and ‘most hung angel’ and so on. In the other post about the penis fetish, we kind of came to a consensus that the tranny chaser community has a penis fetish. I don’t think this is typical of straight men.

Finally, it’s pretty funny that the guy who made the original post came here to ask the question. I wonder what kind of response he’d get if he posted the same question on ESPN or SPIKE or MAXIM boards?

Just to make ya think….

Eclipse

PS. Ecstatic: Your scenario about the guys fucking the ts and not knowing. I think he still is straight because he didn’t know. Now if he starts sucking her dick then it’s a whole ‘nother ballgame! 

eclipse2000b
01-04-2005, 12:23 AM
They didn't seem to be going thru

Ecstatic
01-04-2005, 12:30 AM
Happy New Year and well said, eclipse (so well said, you had to say it five times, ehh? note to moderators: this repeat posting glitch has GOT to be fixed!). I think it is important to distinguish gay (social) from homosexual (sexual orientation), and based on what you've said, if terms are needed, I would argue that most "tranny chasers" are bisexual, but only if you only allow three possible choices: homosexual (same sex), heterosexual (other sex), and bisexual (both sexes). There are many valid subtypes, especially I think of bisexuality, and not just because tranny chasers want an easy "out" for indulging in cock. Some, I think, do, and it may even be a majority or at least a large minority (I've never seen anything resembling a statistical survey and doubt that I will). But I also think many guys love girls with dicks but not the dicks in and of themselves: there's something very intoxicating about that "forbidden fruit" which truly does charm and entice many men who are otherwise not interested in dick (as opposed to denying that they are interested). Part of this is that many transwomen are incredibly sexy and sexual people, and in fact I think this goes a long way to distinguish "good" providers from "bad" in the escort world: the best providers I have known absolutely love the sex, and they simply exude sexuality. This is a huge turn on, way beyond how good a girl looks. That is, a beautiful TS will draw the eye, but if she's, pardon the expression, a cold fish who is bored with escorting (and therefore shouldn't escort), then she immediately loses a lot of appeal. But a less beautiful girl, who is into it, suddenly increases her appeal (and becomes far more beautiful, at least to her temporary partner).

To be honest, bisexuality is kind of an easy out for me. It's totally true; I have loved sex with men and women (and, lately transwomen) as long as I can remember, though I consider myself subtype "hetero-bisexual" because while I love sex with men, I'm not and have never been (well, maybe once :lol: ) emotionally or romantically attracted to a man, and I am deeply attracted romantically and emotionally to women. But being bisexual, to me, erases any and all stigma related to the old "am I gay" way of thinking. Of course I am (in this sense), and proud of it. But it's an easy out because my primary relationship is with a woman, and I've never had to confront society at large or family or friends who would be uncomfortable with my sexuality as anything but an apparently heterosexual male. My homophobic brother-in-law sees me with my wife and simply assumes I'm "OK"--no need for confrontation. But if my wife were male (highly unlikely) or a transwoman (also unlikely but certainly desirable), then I would have to face that scene. Being bisexual and with a female, I'm spared that scene.

Another thought: if it's fair to use the term "tranny chaser" then it must be fair to use the term "tranny," yet I find that rather distasteful and derogatory. I truly respect all members of the transgendered community I have come to know--in whatever capacity--and do not want to use any potentially insulting terms. But if transwomen want to be respected, why do so many (certainly not all and maybe not most) lump us all together as "tranny chasers" to dismiss us? It seems very unfair. Can't we as a community have a little more respect for one another?

BTW--I just got a 404 page error upon posting, but rather than going back and reposting, I opened up the thread in a new browser window and saw that my post had indeed gone through.

RangeHova
01-04-2005, 12:37 AM
I understand what you are saying but for the act to be gay or bi (at least to me) you have to view who you are with as being male, even just a little bit.

The TS women that I have been with don't view themselves as male and I don't view them as male either.

In the begining, when I was first just around a few TS woman I was attracted to them as women but stayed away because I did view thwm as males. After really getting to know a few of them I began to view them as women, totally. That's not just about attraction. Most GG women that have befriended TS women that I have know have not been able to view them as anything other than female.

Also being on the TS scene you will find many lesbian women that become attracted to attractive TS women. A hardcore bull dike that has sex with a TS doesn't automatically become straight or bi because of that.

RangeHova
01-04-2005, 12:39 AM
I understand what you are saying but for the act to be gay or bi (at least to me) you have to view who you are with as being male, even just a little bit.

The TS women that I have been with don't view themselves as male and I don't view them as male either.

In the begining, when I was first just around a few TS woman I was attracted to them as women but stayed away because I did view thwm as males. After really getting to know a few of them I began to view them as women, totally. That's not just about attraction. Most GG women that have befriended TS women that I have know have not been able to view them as anything other than female.

Also being on the TS scene you will find many lesbian women that become attracted to attractive TS women. A hardcore bull dike that has sex with a TS doesn't automatically become straight or bi because of that.

RangeHova
01-04-2005, 12:44 AM
I understand what you are saying but for the act to be gay or bi (at least to me) you have to view who you are with as being male, even just a little bit.

The TS women that I have been with don't view themselves as male and I don't view them as male either.

In the begining, when I was first just around a few TS woman I was attracted to them as women but stayed away because I did view thwm as males. After really getting to know a few of them I began to view them as women, totally. That's not just about attraction. Most GG women that have befriended TS women that I have know have not been able to view them as anything other than female.

Also being on the TS scene you will find many lesbian women that become attracted to attractive TS women. A hardcore bull dike that has sex with a TS doesn't automatically become straight or bi because of that.

Ecstatic
01-04-2005, 01:00 AM
I understand what you are saying but for the act to be gay or bi (at least to me) you have to view who you are with as being male, even just a little bit.

The TS women that I have been with don't view themselves as male and I don't view them as male either.
Point, counterpoint. I agree with you. While I think there are transwomen who see themselves as males in transition (thus, sex with them is tantamount to homosexual sex), I think others see themselves as women in all ways, except their sex organs and how they use them. We really get down to semantics here. I will concede that, based on the reigning definition of homosexuality, sex with another person's penis if you also have a penis is technically homosexual, but the sex isn't gay if you don't see that other person as male (or, on the other side, if you're the transwoman in the couple, if you don't see yourself as male). Quite honestly (and it doesn't matter to me because I am bisexual and enjoy sex with men), I see every TS I've been with as a woman. I love their "something extra" but I most assuredly don't see them as male or even as males-in-transition (other than to acknowledge that personal history, which is fact); as far as relating to them goes, they are women.

bigappledave
01-04-2005, 01:48 AM
I have never and would never suck a guy's cock. I'm not attracted to guys - that's why I don't go with crossdressers and transvestites. I am only attracted to beautiful women and whether they have a cock or not I'm going to go down on them. :roll:

bigappledave
01-04-2005, 01:49 AM
I have never and would never suck a guy's cock. I'm not attracted to guys - that's why I don't go with crossdressers and transvestites. I am only attracted to beautiful women and whether they have a cock or not I'm going to go down on them. :roll:

RangeHova
01-04-2005, 05:13 AM
I am only attracted to beautiful women and whether they have a cock or not I'm going to go down on them.

EXACTLY!!!!!

I truly feel that a TS is a woman. Gender is not what is in a woman's panties. Some women just happen to be born with penises. That being the case along with the way society deals with them makes them different but it doesn't make them MEN.

Anyone who sees them as men doesn't accept/understand what it is to be a transsexual.

There just isn't a black and white when dealing with something like this. Some will take the position that it's the penis that is the only male thing, most will say that anything and everything to do with a TS is male, then you have folks like me who say that nothing is male.

The truth of the matter is probably that there is no one truth. The truth is in the person that is dealing with that TS. What is really in that person's heart and mind. Sure, some folks are in denial and the TS represents some safe gay fantasy. But others (like myself) simply see a TS as a different type of woman.

eclipse2000b
01-04-2005, 05:25 AM
Look guys... The simple fact is that transgendered people have a gender identity that does not match their physical body. For mtf that means we male genitalia and our perceptions of ourselves are female. Some of us chose to 'correct' nature's mistake (like a host of other birth defects) and others simply live as they are. It then follows that a man that sucks a penis is having homosexual contact, regadless of what it's attached to.... I know this is jarring, but this is currently the paradigm that our society operates under. It's not ideal, but that's the way it breaks down.

A man cannot be performing fellatio unless he's engaging in homosexual contact.

Ecstatic
01-04-2005, 06:40 AM
Look guys... The simple fact is that transgendered people have a gender identity that does not match their physical body. For mtf that means we male genitalia and our perceptions of ourselves are female. Some of us chose to 'correct' nature's mistake (like a host of other birth defects) and others simply live as they are. It then follows that a man that sucks a penis is having homosexual contact, regadless of what it's attached to.... I know this is jarring, but this is currently the paradigm that our society operates under. It's not ideal, but that's the way it breaks down.

A man cannot be performing fellatio unless he's engaging in homosexual contact.
Well, eclipse, I guess it's back to idealism for me, then. I'll always favor the ideal over the real, while remaining aware of the real in order to help effect change towards the ideal. IF you define sexuality solely on the basis of the physical body, then one human being with a penis making love with another human being with a penis is perforce engaging in homosexual sex. However, to continue the logic, since male genitalia derives from the prenatal transmutation of genitalia due to the presence of a Y chromosome in the genetic makeup of the fetus, then by definition any human being with a Y chromosome is male, whether said human being has undergone sexual reassignment surgery or not. That's the biological fact, and it is, as such, inescapable (setting aside intersexed people such as those with Klinefetter's syndrome). To allow that a male who has had SRS is now female is to allow an exception to the biological rule based on that person's deeply rooted desire to be fully female and society's tacit acceptance of this transition based on the degree of transformation the person was willing to undergo to achieve it, coupled with the simplistic fact that the most obviously male characteristic of the person has been made to look and, to a very limited degree, behave like the most obviously female characteristic. But other male characteristics persist (based on the Y chromosome), and a great many female characteristics will never be realized.

I accept such a transformation, but many people (and societies) do not. However, I think that such a transformation can and does occur for someone who has not undergone SRS in the literal sense but who does inherently believe herself to be female in gender and lives her life fully as a female. To me, a non-op transwoman is still a woman if she sees herself that way. You will probably object, but I think this is true regardless of the type of sex she enjoys: if she likes her penis and enjoys topping men, she's still female. Since as shown above the definition of female is elastic and based in behavior rather than strictly in biology (else we must define an mtf transsexual who has undergone SRS as still being male), why is it so difficult to extend that elastic definition to include those who have not?

So yes, by the definition you give, any time two human beings with penises make love, they are engaging in homosexuality. So what? That limited definition really isn't helpful. To me, the gender definition is far more important. IF two people with penises make love and one of them is a transwoman who sees herself in all other respects as female, then to me the sex act is not homosexual. Call it bisexual if you must, or heterosexual if you will. To me the relationship is hetero (or as Felicia suggested, heteroflexible).

However, there is a difference here between the nature of the sex involved between a transwoman and a man from this perspective and that of the man trying to justify his actions regardless of her perspective. I think some men who love TS's are in denial and are either gay or bisexual and don't want to admit it even to themselves. But I also think that some men who love TS's are well aware of their own sexuality and gender id and really are not attracted to other men at all. That's a personal issue, and up to the individual to face if he wants to be honest with himself.

Me, I'm a happily omnisexual heteroflexible bisexual loving fool with a preference for beautiful T's but an attraction to women and an enjoyment of men. "Jaya Guru Deva Om: Nothing's gonna change my world."

LBCDO
01-05-2005, 12:20 AM
I read and reread this thread and I dont think you understand where shade is coming from. I have said it millions of times over, if you actually kick, have a friendly/nonsexual relationship wiht a few TSs, then you can understand where she is coming from! At least from what I believe what part of society she is in.

I consider myself someone raised in the urban hispanic community and I have had few problems talking to the girls because I relate to them better than most because we have lots of nonsexual interest that are similiar. So usually I get to meet girls and they dont have problems telling me basic friends stuff, like why certain types of guys are problems, etc. which has helped me with my TS relationships

This is why the "labels" are such a big deal. If you are going after a TS for anything more than sex, then it is a problem that they are comfortable to be 100% of who they are 100% of the time and you cant fully come to terms that there is something at least A LITTLE homosexual about your behavior.

Sheeba, a good GOOD friend of mine once told me "Why do these guys call my dick a clit? Its a dick, I dont want to hear that shit. I know who I am, what I am, and cant nobody change reality." These girls know who they are and how real they are to it. WTF makes you think that they want some dude who cant even admit that there is something at least a little homosexual about sucking a dick no matter what it is attatched to. I think some of you missed some valid words in what shade posted earlier. If some of you guys were so straight, why not come out to and show your Tranny mistresses to your friends or brothers or families? I mean, if your straight, and only TSs are quick to pick such labels, then why not? Im sure some of you brag about the nice piece of trim you picked up at the bar a couple of weeks ago, why not tell the war story about the TS who rammed your ass right after you begged to suck her TClit? If it is so "straight" why do you hide it? And that is why girls get pissed, or thats why I believe so. Because a lot of guys dont want to come to terms with what they like. The TSDenial stage.

Yall want my label? Call me bi. I dont care. MY TS friends know Im not attracted to men, I fuck GGs and TSs and dont really hide it. When you come to terms with that, then you will be better off. All she is saying is be as honest with yourself as a TS. They dont do it for fun, sex, money, they do it for being emotionally content, and if they know you are 1 of the millions of "Oh, Im straight, but like to suck dick, ect" then it makes you thnk twice. Sorry, just the way it is

anothervoyeur
01-05-2005, 12:46 AM
I still think many of you are missing an important point. Society likes to lump "sexual attraction" and "romantic attraction" together with the same labels, when, in fact, there's a great deal of variation.

In fact, you can even add a third variable, which would be "activity attraction", which is a "What do you do" kind of thing.

So, yes, you can be straight, but suck cock. The term I use for that is "heteroflexible" or, in my case, "slut". I honestly don't find myself romantically attracted to men, nor do I find them attractive.

I find women generally attractive, whether TS or TG or GG, as long as there's some effort made on their part to differentiate themselves from being men (you know, like, shaving).

But, put me in the right situation, sure, I'll bend over. Or I'll suck that. Not caring especially about looks is what puts me into the "slut" category. It's a label I accept, willingly.

But I digress. Again, my comment was meant to remind folks that sex and love are two different things, and desires for one are not always transitive between them.

Ecstatic
01-05-2005, 01:15 AM
LBCDO, what it boils down to for me is two things: 1) to see and relate to a tgirl as she sees herself and wants to be seen and related to, and 2) to be honest with myself about my own sexuality. 2) is easier: I know me, and I am happy with who and what I am. Bisexual is the general term, which I happily accept; omnisexual or heteroflexible if you want to be clever about it and/or accept the possibility of subtypes beyond the basic three (hetero, homo, bi). I have no denial there, and will proudly tell anyone who asks or whose business it is (though I see no point in wearing a big sign proclaiming my bisexuality).

1) is more complicated, but again for me it comes down to how the transwoman/tgirl/TS/T/shemale (pick your preference; it makes a lot of difference to some and very little to others) sees herself. If she sees herself as a woman, to me she's a woman. Her plumbing is irrelevant. But if she sees herself as a man in transition, that's fine too. I have no problem with the "at least a little homosexual" elements you mention: I enjoy sex with men, although I don't seek men out as sexual partners and certainly not in any romantic way (even if I wasn't married). Sheeba makes a good point, although other girls have made the "tclit" and "shecock" their own expression (consider Vicki Richter, who has stated that she prefers the term shemale and often speaks of her shecock). Some girls don't want their cocks touched and want you to pretend they don't even have them, while others really do enjoy topping (thank the gods). Venus joked with me at Allanah's party in September that she should've had to pay a small entry fee to the party because she's "just a little bit man." I had to laugh.

Idealistically, I don't see why one's sexual orientation or physiological makeup should make any difference, but of course I know that, realistically speaking, it does. If a transsexual wants me to acknowledge the homosexual element of sex with her, that's fine by me, as I have had many gay partners as well as female and ts partners in my life. But in my experience, these women want to be appreciated as women, so I don't emphasize that aspect.

LBCDO
01-05-2005, 02:18 AM
See, your perspective has probally the reason you would be more successful than the average male. On the internet, many of us go deep deep into the issue, but where you actually interact with a real person, I have only been asked a handful of times what my orientation was. I guess its a mixture of social acceptance/homophobia/fear that makes people want to give some of the answers that I heard in this 8+ page thread. Nothing wrong with the answers, its just that I wish some were more honest with themselves. Thats why I understand Shades post. If it were so Straight, how come peoplke dont take their TS dates to the movies or christmas dinner, keep a copy of Transformation magazine on top of the toilet next to playboy, keep the Big Ass Shemale Adventure DVD in the player, and dont let people answer your late nigth phone calls? Thats why a TS will get that pissed about a guy who says they are straight and they like TSs, but act like a gay guy thats in the closet.

Ecstatic
01-05-2005, 06:30 AM
Well, I don't know about more successful, but there are a couple of TS escorts who I have come to know well and as friends for a long time, who I interact with in many ways besides pay-for-play fun, and that may well be a large part of it. These are girls that I've gone out to dinner with, have discussed photography (not porno, but comparisons of different digital cameras) and web design and coding with, am quite happy to be seen with publicly, and more. Plus I like to think that I've managed to strike up at least some good online conversations with several T's, here and elsewhere, although I don't know these girls in the same way. Anyway, regardless of circumstance, I always try to relate with everyone I meet--in person or online--in as honest and open a way as possible.

I don't tend to tell people I know (family and friends) that I occasionally have sexual relations with TS escorts: there are simply far too many complications and nowhere near enough benefits to doing so. My wife, as I've said, is very comfortable with our situation, but she would be quite uncomfortable if suddenly she had to explain that complication of our lives to nosey friends or family. Why go there? It's nobody else's business, and I would never do anything that would hurt her (like putting her on the spot about how her husband is going to see TS escorts to get the sexual gratification missing in our marriage). However, if I weren't married and was seeing a TS as a companion and not as either a friend or an escort, then I wouldn't hesitate to be seen with her any place. And I freely tell people that I have transgendered friends; I just don't go into the sexual relations part of it (if they put 2 and 2 together, well, good for them).

But I think you're quite right, and from a slightly different perspective, I tried to make the same point earlier in this thread: there's a lot of dishonesty--to oneself as well as to others--for many guys who are into TS companionship, and I certainly don't blame any TS who gets pissed about a guy who pretends to be straight but acts like a gay guy stuck in the closet. But I think for a lot of guys into TS companions it's all and only about the sex, but for some of us there's a whole lot of other involvement in the community--in one form or another--that's equally important. Yes, I love sex with a hot TS, but I also welcome simple friendship, hanging together, that has nothing to do with sex.

LG
01-05-2005, 11:26 AM
LBCDO wrote:

If it were so Straight, how come peoplke dont take their TS dates to the movies or christmas dinner, keep a copy of Transformation magazine on top of the toilet next to playboy, keep the Big Ass Shemale Adventure DVD in the player, and dont let people answer your late nigth phone calls?

It's really not that simple. Anyway, I don't keep my "straight" porn in open view- my Private and Color Climax magazines (hardocre European stuff- try it) are stashed away, as is one of my favourite ever DVDs (the best of Sylvia Saint), along with my small but precious collection of Big Ass Shemale videos.

What I do know is that I wouldn't (at that moment) "come out" with regards to my passion or openly date a transexual because of the taboos imposed by society and not because I either feel it's "wrong" or "gay" (I have nothing against gay people and have met one or two cool gay men, but although I'm all for gay rights, I don't consider myself one of them because of one simple fact- I don't like guys, never have.

True, I admit there's something not quite "normal" (whatever the hell normal might mean) to admiring she-cock. I also understand why many TSs are peeved with men who want to be exclusively passive in a sexual encounter or raltionship. TSs become TSs because they feel more like women than men, I assume, so they want men to make them feel like women. However, I also believe that many preops, and especially nonops have kept their pipework because they feel it can still give them some pleasure. And thus, as a truly versatile trannylover, I feel it is my honour and my duty to give them such pleasure.

Ecstatic wrote:


It is more complicated, but again for me it comes down to how the transwoman/tgirl/TS/T/shemale (pick your preference; it makes a lot of difference to some and very little to others) sees herself. If she sees herself as a woman, to me she's a woman.

I agree, in a sense. If a tgirl considers herself a woman rather than a man, then the sex can most accurately be described as heterosexual. That is why I cannot understant tgirls who claim that men who like them are gay. Please note my emphasis on "most accurately". Sexuality is not black and white. It is all about grey areas.

And for those trannylovers who claim they wouldn't suck shecock I say, what's the point? At least a major part of the whole attraction is what's hanging between her legs (or the knowledge of what it is and what it may be capaple of doing). In other words why go on about t-girls being "feminine" and "passable" and then not going anywhere near the one thing that requires you to use these very words. Just find a regular girl, man.

Of course I personally believe that t-girls are often sexier because they make so much of an effort, because they strive for perfection, they aim to please (and not only sexually, but to be pleasing to the eye and to be pleasant company and pleasant people- most people here seem to agree that Allanah, Vicky and Gia aren't just godesses, they are also really nice girls. But why spend your time on this forum if you aren't fascinated by the one thing that separates them from any other girl you see.

Just for the record, my favourite women at the moment (including t-girls and in no particular order), though my list changes daily, would include:
Alannah Starr, Vicky Richter, Kylie Minogue, Tera Patrick, Catherine Zeta Jones, Gia Darling, Meghan Chevalier, Vanity, Sylvia Saint and Charlize Theron. I would marry any of them, would be willing to go down on any of them and would love to be a love slave to anyone of them who would want me to for as long as she want (are you reading girls?).

As for being with guys, fuhgetaboutit.

romeo
01-06-2005, 04:18 PM
Just to make it clear that it's not all about the dick
Look at the first picture
I am 0 % attracted by this girl and I don't see her as a woman at all.
Having a sexual contact with her I would feel to be gay (even though she has a pussy)
(PS I don't see every female bodybuilders in this way)

Second picture
I'm 100 % attracted by this girl (even though she has a dick I see her as a woman) and I don't feel to be gay (but I agree that it would be a homosexual contact).

romeo
01-06-2005, 04:21 PM
There must be an error in the previous post I'm attracted by the girl of the first pictue :lol: :lol:

Ecstatic
01-06-2005, 10:06 PM
Yes, Kailane is almost indescribably beautiful. Love this photo!

I think it's just a matter of the sequence with which you attached the photos; it's very clear which girl you meant by which comment.

eclipse2000b
01-06-2005, 10:31 PM
LBCD right on....

Gender Dysphoria: the transgendered person's body does not match their psychological sense of their gender.

Most transwomen see themselves women:
BUT

If they have a penis their genitalia is male.

IF they have SRS (not all of us do) then their genitalia becomes female

Hence a male that performs fellatio on a transgendered woman's penis is performing a homosexual act.

RangeHova
01-07-2005, 02:42 AM
I think too many want to paint this as a technical issue. Well OK them technically yes it is a homosexual act. I don't care if you suck the dick or not, if she's had SRS or not technically ANY contact with a biological male is homsexual act.

But I don't think most of us view this from a technical viewpoint.

We can go and have gine back and forth with this and lets face it there is not just one way to view this. There is no one defined way to view this situation. Even if we asked so-called mental proffesionals we'd find many varying opinions.

But for a transwoman or even a bisexual person that happens to date TSs to tell me that I'm in denial is like the straight world telling the TS girl that she's just crazy and that there is no such thing as transexualism or the many gays that will argue to a bi person that bisexuality is nothing more than a bunch of confused gay people in denial.

I came out w/ my so'called TS attraction to many of my friends many years ago. Almost all of the gay ones SWORE that I was just denying my attraction to men and how eventually I would give into my secret desire to be with a real man. How the whole thing was just a farce. Not realizing that my attraction really had NOTHING to do with anything sexual (that came much later).

The fact of the matter is that you can't truly claim to know what a person is w/o knowing that person. In many cases, people know themselves better than anyone else. I know for me that I really have no reason to deny anything.

If I (speaking for me and only me ) just so happen to truly view in my mind, heart, and spirit honestly view the TS woman that I am with as a woman. Nothing about me or what I do with her is nothing but me being with my woman.

The fact is, it is just 'different' and if you don't know the feeling, if you have't expierienced it you would NEVER understand. [/b]

Ecstatic
01-07-2005, 03:29 AM
RangeHova, I agree with you. You hit it for me here:


But for a transwoman or even a bisexual person that happens to date TSs to tell me that I'm in denial is like the straight world telling the TS girl that she's just crazy and that there is no such thing as transexualism or the many gays that will argue to a bi person that bisexuality is nothing more than a bunch of confused gay people in denial.
I think there's a big difference between a TS or bisexual person or anyone telling someone else he's in denial about his homosexual tendencies and actually being in denial: the first is the perception of one person by another (which may or may not be true), and the second is the self-perception (or denial) of a person about himself. I think some TS lovers are in denial, and a transwoman may be very sensitive to this and pick up on it--or be too sensitive and imagine it where it doesn't exist. But other TS lovers are not in denial; they know who they are and what they like, and these usually don't care about labels and accept the label bisexual if they must. In any event, this is either a dichotomy or a perceived dichotomy in the men who love transwomen.

There's also, I think, a conflict within some transwomen: if, as eclipse says, they suffer from gender dysphoria, they want to emphasize the feminine in themselves to the nth degree--often far more so than genetic women will. They way they dress, carry themselves, talk, groom themselves, it's all about accentuating the feminine. Yet it is important for them to consider their penis as masculine and "wrong" to the degree that they need to insist that any man having sexual contact with their penis or even with them in any way constitutes a homosexual act. Doesn't this serve to undercut their own self-image as women? To underscore their difference, the "wrongness" about the body they are in?

I'm pretty tired, so I may not be articulating this as well as I might, but there seems to be a good deal of self-conflict or self-denial on both sides: for men who love TS women, denial of their homosexual or bisexual nature (I think it's bisexual; homosexual men desire other men only), and for TS women who want to be women yet insist that sex between themselves and a man is homosexual sex. Personally, I'm quite happy to be bisexual, and no one combines the two sexes like a beautiful and sexy transwomen who enjoys sex, so who needs labels? I'm not homosexual, I'm not heterosexual, so I must be bisexual, which is also too limiting because there are more than two poles to human sexuality. So I prefer omnisexual, but call me bisexual if you want.

Evilhomer
01-07-2005, 05:12 PM
Eeeeewww man pee pee.. No Way....thats gay

Evilhomer
01-07-2005, 05:13 PM
sorry for the double post

bitramp
04-05-2005, 12:21 AM
I would suck a t-girl or a guys cock...good thing about being bi is I can sleep with anyone at the bar

rocklob
04-05-2005, 06:24 AM
Well, I've sucked guys, I've sucked t's. I like sucking cock. But unless the guy is overwhelmingly hot and I'm already in a situation that makes it easy (been years, but I mean orgies, or the one ominsexual bath-house, the late lamented Sutro Baths in SF), I don't seek out men. I am female oriented, attracted to feminine looks and just generally find it easier to relate to women, genetic or not.
I'm not gonna say I've never found myself hot for the guy in a shemale video. Especially those buff Brazilians (I think in Brazil I'd go apeshit, having sex with men and t's together). But I am OVERWHELMINGLY hot for shemales.
I think the main issue this has brought up for me, and one we should all be concerned about (if we really care about transsexuals) is THE GUY WHO IS SO UPTIGHT THAT HE MIGHT BE GAY THAT HE WILL BEAT THE CRAP OUT OF THE GIRL OUT OF HOMOPHOBIC RAGE AND REMORSE.
We all know this happens a LOT, and it is the thing that is SO upsetting about t's that like to play the "fooling them" game. I worry for girls who do this and think they are acting out on serious unresolved conflicts of their own.
Give me a t who's comfortable with herself (like Sheeba, as reported above) and I'll happily say I am sucking a guy's cock (as long as I GET TO SUCK IT!!!!)
In the meantime, I am happily married, and unfortunately, have to keep this hunger a secret (unlike some of you lucky guys).

Chewbacca
04-05-2005, 07:02 AM
Just to weigh in on this issue, maybe saying something that hasn't been already said. My personal opinion is that sucking t-girl cock isn't really gay. The logic being say I had sex with Buck Angel, the female to male transgender. He has a vagina, but if I ate him out it would be homosexual. There's more than just genetalia to define the sexes. If that were the case then everyone would look the same, male or female and the only thing setting them apart would be their genetalia.

Liking t-girls doesn't make someone completely bi, because they don't like men, so that title is inaccurate. They harbor bi-sexual tendencies but aren't bi.

Hugh Jarrod
04-05-2005, 11:18 AM
Simple fact is this, I suck Tgurl cock yes am I gay no, am I str8, no. Am I bi, no. It's just that a lot of people want to pigeonhole people into groups and peg them down. I simply like beauty, feminine beauty and weather she has a cock or cunt doesn't matter. There's no way I could bring myself to suck a man's cock that's all.

lmw222001
04-05-2005, 08:41 PM
The Semantics On This Are Really Getting Out There-Personally, The Only Cock I Suck Are TGirls; I Don't Like Guys. If I Did I Wouldn't Have Any Trouble Blowing Them. I Don't Consider Myself Gay Or Bi.

I Just Love TGirls. I Still Go Out With GGs, But They Are Getting To Be A Real Fucking Pain In The Ass. But That's Another Story.

john69
04-06-2005, 12:25 AM
I like only TGIRL's!!!!

RangeHova
04-07-2005, 03:25 AM
It has more to do with the person attached to the cock than the cock itself.

As much as I love to eat pussy, suck titties, whatever...

That damn sure does not mean that I want to eat just any pussy, suck any titties, or whatever...

I'm sure that many of the ugly broads that we all come across in our day may have simply georgous body parts but still that are ugly broads.

If it was all about body parts we wouldn't be falling over backwards over pretty face after pretty face.

a994
12-29-2006, 08:20 PM
HECK NO.

I hope that answers your question. Have a nice day.

InHouston
12-29-2006, 08:39 PM
IM NOT A DUDE! LOL

IM A PRE OP TRANSSEXUAL!!!

SO I KNOW WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT....I HAVE 2 DEAL WITH GUYS LIKE U ALL THE TIMES..

NO ONE THAT SUCKS COCK IS STR8!!! FACT NOT OPINION!

U ARE BISEXUAL..IF U DO THAT!

Well that explains it dipshit. You're not like us. You're gay. We're not. We're not attracted to men like you are. Now how hard is that for you to understand?

werwt22
12-29-2006, 08:58 PM
I dont consider myself gay. I am in no way attracted to masculine or feminine men. I consider TS to be women with extra features in my mind. Read my signature =D. Just wanted to add my 2 cents.

callahac
12-29-2006, 09:04 PM
Yeah I would and I have.

lust4ts
12-29-2006, 09:39 PM
If all us guys are gay then surely we would be posting pictures of men and discussing encounters with guys. Fuck sake this a board for admirer's of transgender women. Im sure there are plenty of boards for gay people if that was our thing, then thats where we would be (think about it). All I know is what I like, ive always liked girls but one day I watched an episode of the television programme sexcetera which had a section on vanity and found my self being turned on when I saw her standing there showing off her feminine figure with a cock sitting in between her legs, ive seen similar television programmes since featuring things about gay porn which certainly did not have a similar effect on me. So if someone wants to tell me im gay because i like to suck a t girls cock well I know thats bullshit because I know my own mind. Its natural for a straight man to be attracted to feminine and womenly features the only question is whether someone is down with the fact that the girl has a cock. If they are then that probably makes them a little bit freakier or kinkier than the average person but certainly not gay. Lets stop all this nonsence look in most cases the attraction to a girl with a cock comes first, wanting to suck her cock or be fucked by her comes later as a result of the attraction. It's so fucking simple we like T Girls because we are attracted to them we don't like guys because were not attracted to them and if someone wants to argue with that then fuck it there the stupid ones.

uncutlove
12-29-2006, 09:53 PM
IM NOT A DUDE! LOL

IM A PRE OP TRANSSEXUAL!!!

SO I KNOW WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT....I HAVE 2 DEAL WITH GUYS LIKE U ALL THE TIMES..

NO ONE THAT SUCKS COCK IS STR8!!! FACT NOT OPINION!

U ARE BISEXUAL..IF U DO THAT!

Well that explains it dipshit. You're not like us. You're gay. We're not. We're not attracted to men like you are. Now how hard is that for you to understand?

Owned.

BeardedOne
12-29-2006, 10:58 PM
Been there, sucked that.

:shock:

Shit! I must be gay! :shock: :shock:

Damn, and here I thought I was only a little bit morose. :?

tetsuo
12-30-2006, 09:47 PM
does it really matter? just have a good time and stop trying to label yourself. Sex is sex, have fun be safe.

tranzorz
12-31-2006, 12:07 AM
For what it's worth, while I think shemales are hot, and I mean really hot, there's just something missing no matter how hot but that a genetic girl has. I think it's a pheromone thing. It's a pretty weird effect to be in the presence of a stunningly gorgeous shemale and almost all systems are go and yet...

And it only happens in person, not when looking at porn...

Anyway, just my two cents. Doesn't mean I'd pass up the opportunity to do it with a hot TS, but just that there's something missing under the surface for me and perhaps only me.

lights
12-31-2006, 02:25 AM
Interesting question. A lot of people have great points they have made.

I have a friend who is gay and he liked me once. But nothing happened. I didn't want anything to happen. The idea of being with him did nothing for me. It wasn't him personally. It was just I didn't wanna be with a guy.

I am attarcted to women, but I am also attratced to TS.

Lets just say for arguments sake I met Vaniity orand I had a chance to be with her I would very much so suck her cock no doubt about it. she wants fuck me I'm all for it.

I know I'm not gay cause I am into women, but if me wanting to go down on Vaniity makes me bi than so be it.

Like I said, about my gay friend is wasn't that I didn't wanna be with him, just the idea of it I wasn't into.

But I do understand other people's argument if you are a guy and you suck dick you're either gay or bi. It does make sense.

But it's also hard to describe. I have no desire to be with a guy, so in that sense I am straight.

But I admit giving the chance I wouldn't hesitate to suck dick if it were some hottie like Vaniity.

she could have her way with me :D

So am I gay, straight, bi? Whatever you think I am fine don't matter none to me.

qeuqheeg222
12-31-2006, 10:15 AM
ask this tg if she ever sucked one of the girls cocks?tgs almost never engage each other in cock-y-cock action..so why would a tg think the same is true for others...

sheyum
12-31-2006, 11:14 PM
Its amazing...this thread--which is EVER recurring--is both absurd and yet strangely captivating. I find myself reading it whenever it comes up.mostly because Im fascinated by the level of obvious inner-conflict that runs rampant among ts lovers..but also because Im interested in how there are so many different ways to look at it..
The other thing that interst me is that few people ever seem to voice the way I feel about it--though Ive seen a few allusions to certain points I believe to be true.
I --for one--feel myself to be totally straight--not gay-not Bi..though Im attracted to shemales.. If I know one thinng in life-(and I dont know may with great certainty)..its my sexuality..Ive probably spent more time thinking about it than any other one topic:)
I love women--and i mean LOVE..Certainly Im not gay..But i dont think Bi is a fair description either..Bi inplies you like both having sex with both men and women...and thats just not the case..Sure T-ss are technincally men,....but EVERYONE here knows that that techincality is THE issue..it cant be disregarded--it IS the point..otherwise--we'd just fuck men..are we in denial and really want to fuck men? Thats absurd--and doesnt really even bear discussing..
Some guys will say that they dont even look at the cock on a ts--fine--i believe them..there are many reasons for being attracted to tss--we all are different..For me--its THE reason...The cock fascinates me--as someone mentioned in an earlier post--its sort of a narcissistic type of thing..maybe a self-love of sorts..the deisre to suck a cock is just sexy..Cocks are sexy.
I agree also with what one person mentioned...I may be kinkier than otehr people..more seuxually animalistic..whatever--but gay?? no..i have no interest in men in ANY way...Not ONE man have i ever seen in my years on this earth who has interested me int he least sexually..I think that makes me fairly straight..But i digress..Theres also a masochistic element to my desire for tss...I like the idea of a woman being powerful and dominating me.this is very sexy to me..and Ive played it out extensively wiht my relationships with GGs...I like dominatrixes,,i like girls taking me---its all sexy...but if youre into that sort of thing--as many menare--WHATS more sexy than the idea of a woman with a cock? if you go to any dominatrix--the FIRST thing thats on the menu is Strapon play!! why?-cause many men love the idea of being fucked by a powerful woman..does any guy who goes to a dominatrix for strapon get labeled as being bisexual? i think not..hes just considered freaky or a bit kinky.
its the same with TSs-for me-the attraction os the same--but the idea of a real cock--that gets hard--cums etc..is sexier than a strapon.
and furthermore--and i say this at the risk of being criticized--but i say it in all honesty--one argument people here--and many Tss are using to assert that we who are interested in tss are gay or bi---is that we dont celebrate our attraction---share it with our family-freinds
I will admit freely that Im not really interested in having any sort of 'real" realtionship with a ts..Ive never met one that appealed to me on a personal level...Im sure many are very sweet--but I feel no need to have relationships with them. I enjoy my relationships with women just fine.
My interest in Tss IS purely sexual...why is it wrong to say that?
But its not because im ashamed of it--its just that it holds no great allure for me.
but on a sexual level--its hot--what can i say??

BeardedOne
01-01-2007, 12:23 AM
...this thread--which is EVER recurring--

As I told lights earlier in another topic, the "Am I gay" thread abounds. Even though the question or statement may not say "Am I gay" specifically, it is the thought that pervades the thread.

Personally, I'm bi, so it's all good for me, but contrary to the title of a bisexual support group's newsletter, "Anything That Moves", that isn't what it's all about.

A good friend of mine (So close that we resemble each other like dogs and their owners) is painfully homophobic (He's one of those lucky Catholics that found out that 'celibate' doesn't necessarily place the altar boys off limits) and kept me at arm's reach for the longest time (And still insists on seperate beds - even when a king is available - and even seperate rooms if we share a hotel) because he had this idea that, because I was bi I wanted to fuck him or suck him until the cows came home.

Well, yah, I do like to fuck and suck (And be fucked and sucked) by guys, but he is goofy, has the disposition of a troll, and his dick is waaaay to small to make my day, so I never had an interest.

So, though I am a genuine bisexual (As opposed to ersatz 'bisexuals' who will fool themselves into believing they are always with a woman so long as they assfuck their partner and don't suck cock), I don't necessarily have to do every guy I meet.

The corollary is that if you are into T-gurls, that doesn't necessarily mean that =any= cock will suffice. As Wendy Williams once said "These guys aren't gay. Freaky, yes, but not gay!" :)

Are you gay? Doubtful, you wouldn't be reading these words if you were.

Are you bi? By degrees, maybe, but most of those that post here are probably at the lower end (Perhaps under 10%) of the scale.

Are you straight? C'mon, get fuckin' real. :lol:

lights
01-01-2007, 11:09 PM
Sorry about that thread, I didn't really get my point across.

But what I brought up there and now with this thread makes me wonder sometimes is there really a gay, bi or str8? I think in some instances yes there is.

But I also don't think it's that easy. Ok sure you suck dick you are gay or bi, but is it that easy?

Lets say you have only been with women, and one day you meet some girl, and get to talking. Things go good and in time you start a relationship with her.

Then she tells you she is a T-girl. Now you already have feelings for her. You fell for her prior to knowing.

That is why sometimes I think sexuality isn't that easy to define. This guy fell for her before knowing she was a T-girl and saw her as a woman.

Would that make him bi? It's very hard to get the point across.

Again yeah you suck dick you are gay or bi. But sometimes it's not easy to define.

I hate labels, but I guess I would have to say I'm bi. Honestly I have never been with a guy and I don't feel the desire to. But yes I would hook up a woman or T-girl.

But sexuality isn't always easy to define.

cass1980
01-02-2007, 01:52 AM
I lived in Japan for a few years. I was pretty amazed at how open porn and sex shops were. It was common to see men reading porn manga on the trains commuting to and from work. No sense of guilt/shame that would happen here or (I assume) in Europe.

The Japanese consider sex a physical need. Not much different from being hungry for food. They accept it and (for the most part) don't attach labels to it. Here, we tend to allow religion to paint sex with a sense of morality.

Why do we need labels? Why does it matter? Wikipedia has a host of labels you can look up. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_transgender-related_topics Figure out which one "fits" for you. The one I like most is Pansexual http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pansexual

wombat33
01-02-2007, 02:01 AM
this dumb tgirl bitch gonna tell me
"if you can suck a tgirls cock, you can suck a guys cock, and if you can fuck a tgirl (or get fuckedby a tgirl) you can fuck/get fucked by a guy"
I tried to tell her dumbass that she's looking at it through a matter of semantics and that it's a 2 different situations. That's like saying if you can eat bacon, you can eat human flesh


I am totally not attracted to guys or anything masculine.

I love gg's an tg's.

With that said, if I was with a GG and it turned her on to see me suck a guy off, I would go for it only if the guy was not your typical average joe. It would have to be a "pretty" looking guy with a smooth and tan body..

If that was the deal, I would suck away with the girl........both of us sucking a nice cock on a pretty boy. Why not???

BeardedOne
01-02-2007, 02:12 AM
New rule:

Never, ever, give a better blowjob than your GG girlfriend.

I =really= pissed one off that way some years ago. :roll:

lights
01-02-2007, 04:51 AM
I have never had any sexual relations with a guy. One time though I did cyber with a guy. He was the type that liked to dominate. I figured I would give it a try and see what it was like.

All we did was chat, he would give the order he would say something tell me how you would suck my dick. I would do it and get him off.

We did this for a while or should I say I did it. I would just talk about sucking his dick and when he was done he would log off.

The chat sessions were kinda hot, but the thing is it was fun yeah, but he wanted me to meet him. I thought about it, but the whole fantasy online was just that. I didn't wanna do it in real life. We lost touch after that he wanted the real thing and I didn't want to.

Again I'll admit the sessions were hot and hell if I cam across him online again and he wanted me to tell him how I would blow him I would.

Even though labels suck I would consider myself bi because of that. I jst don't think I could do it in real life. Talking to him online was fun and like I said it was hot. I enjoyed it online, but just didn't wanna do it for real.

A T-Girl is different. I could suck dick in that case.

And it has NOTHING to do with being ashamed to admit anything. I mean no one here knows me so if I was what do I have to hide?

I admit to doing whatever online, but it ends there. A T-Girl is a totally different story.

Kkarencd
01-06-2007, 07:20 AM
Interesting topic and some very interesting answers.
My thoughts, I am definitely Bi and a Crossdresser. I have been on both sides of the fence. Dressed as a guy I have sucked the cock of another crossdresser who was dressed as a girl who looked and acted like a girl and completely enjoyed it.
I have also been convicingly dressed as a girl and sucked a guys cock and completely enjoyed that and I must admit that is the bigger turn on for me.
I have also been dressed as a girl and sucked the cock of another crossdresser also dressed as a girl and enjoyed that as well. But I have no desire to be dressed as a guy and suck another guys cock who is dressed as a guy.
I have also had sex with GG's both dressed as a girl and a guy.
If you ask me I will say I am not gay and believe my self.
I think the word is just sexual.

Karen

francisfkudrow
01-06-2007, 09:25 AM
I'm orally fixated, so I really need to suck dick. Optimally, that would be the dick of a t-girl. However, since there do not appear to be many transsexual girls looking for a relationship in my area, and I do not want to continually pay for the privilege of sucking dick, I would like to hook up with a fairly effeminate guy. I was a member of outpersonals for a while, and all the guys who showed interest in me were either old, bears, or rednecks. So since the large majority of gay/bisexual men are of no interest to me, am I actually bi?

As for me, I had previously heard Felicia's preferred term "heteroflexible" and I like it. Perhaps there should be a term for those attracted to t-girls, but until then, I'm sticking with heteroflexible.

Quickman
01-06-2007, 10:39 AM
If bisexuality is defined as being attracted to both sexes, how can that label be aptly applied to an attraction to TGirls, who by definition are either permanently between sexes or in transition?

Let me spell it out.

Guys who have sex with men and women are bi. Are Tgirls men?

I submit there's a third and fourth and fifth sex... maybe more (F2M,M2F,intersex, etc...). Bi (meaning two) only works as an attraction to both of the polar opposite sexes: male and female.

If someone agrees that a man who sleeps with only GGs and TGs is bisexual, then they'd have to concede that TGs are male and the transgender distinction is irrelevant. If you want to really get into semantics, there are those who would argue that M2F TGs are female (on a rounding error) and that would make the man having sex straight.

However, I agree that the only way to be straight is to be strictly attracted to the opposite sex. Even so, don't you think that there might be one or more scenic stops near the trannyville exit before riding all the way to bi-town...

A couple of other thoughts:

Being attracted body parts that guys happen to have doesn't = being attracted to guys.

Guys have full lips, (think mick jagger) asses and breasts (see Comic book guy)

If you are attracted to any of those features on TGs is it time to carpool to bi-town as well?

I put it to you that if you concede that a pre-op transsexual is not male. Then TGs and GGs have all the above features. And so incidently perhaps it's the physical differences that make TGs so interesting.

Hetero opinionated folks think they have all the answers and gays just need counseling, gay opinionated folks think bisexuals lack the cojones to come all the way over and now there are opinionated folks that think guys here just need to admit they're bi.

Why can't everyone just like what they like without having to go the extra step of having to convince you that they're not at the top of the slippery slope of (lemme think of another location...) the homorabian Alps?

The plumper forum is so much easier... and yes, I'm a closeted chubby chaser!

Ratbutt
01-06-2007, 05:53 PM
For some of us the sexual experience isn't about pussy or cock.
I wouldn't suck a mans dick because I am not aroused by masculinity and so the situation wouldn't even arise.
GG & feminine TGs turn me on so then the question becomes how to pleasure them, and if sucking their cock is what it takes I'm game.

stillies77
01-06-2007, 06:02 PM
For some of us the sexual experience isn't about pussy or cock.
I wouldn't suck a mans dick because I am not aroused by masculinity and so the situation wouldn't even arise.
GG & feminine TGs turn me on so then the question becomes how to pleasure them, and if sucking their cock is what it takes I'm game.


i feel the exact same way

signupjustforthis
01-07-2007, 12:22 AM
I wouldn't want my *dick* sucked, since I see myself as a girl. I would probably tell him to ignore it. haha.

I don't think sucking it would make you gay though.

trisexual
02-11-2007, 10:35 PM
I prefer to suck the dick of a TS, but if there's a TV/CD or even a male who's extremely hung, then I'll suck them too.

Fat_raymond
02-11-2007, 10:41 PM
One cock of each variety (TS and guy) at the same time can really be fun and exciting!

scorpion
02-12-2007, 12:49 AM
wee have al diffrent ways to see things..what is gay what is bi ?
I prefer guys and trannys and even CDs..the important is that they are frech and locks god and dont are hairy.

trish
02-12-2007, 05:31 AM
you shouldn't ask or expect someone to do someday that you wouldn't do. that includes sucking a cock or fighting a war.

callahac
02-13-2007, 05:03 AM
Yes I will. I will suck any delicious looking cock, now can we move on with these types of topics?

ILuvGurls
02-13-2007, 05:24 AM
....

MonsieurValentine
02-13-2007, 05:30 AM
no.

lust4ts
02-13-2007, 05:47 AM
............

wombat33
02-13-2007, 06:16 AM
............


Simon sucks cock if you ask me.

lust4ts
02-13-2007, 06:28 AM
Simon sucks cock if you ask me.

If I did I don't remember and yes you may be right.

BiGuy4TS
02-13-2007, 07:14 AM
I would, yes. Prefer TS, but it's still a cock.

Kriss
02-13-2007, 09:04 PM
............


Simon sucks cock if you ask me.

YOU KNOW THAT!

geekman33
02-13-2007, 09:10 PM
I would, yes. Prefer TS, but it's still a cock.

Agreed. Once you have your face down there a cock is a cock and if you're in the mood and the cock is attractive to you and turns you on you suck it. If you're totally str8 you wouldn't be down there in the first place. That being said a TS with a nice cock trumps any guy built the same way.

crayons
02-13-2007, 09:45 PM
LOL 2 ALL OF U MEN THAT BELIEVE U ARE STR8 AFTER SUCKING A TS PENIS:

I'm sorry...I'm not one of those girls that doesnt sugar coat things 4 u!

You guys are all right!!! You know everything!!!

That's why it's so important to keep it discrete that you sexual relationships with TS women!

That's why you are on the "down low"

That why most of you don't have relationships with TS women. (I didnt say all..I said MOST)

As far as the guys that openly bisexual (and I dont mean u tell everyone but that u have came to terms with it)...None of my comments are directed to you! Keep enjoying your shemale cock and hopefully you'll find your transsexual soulmate.

I think a lot of good points have been made, and I sort-of agree with this poster, however I also sort-of agree with Estatics earlier comments. I think what matters is what makes you comfortable, but I think the general scope of this can only be answered by straight men (and I don't mean men posting on a tgirl board- but men that strictly post on GG boards, maybe the Vivid boards if they have any). If you can get those men to say "sure, a tgirl is a girl just like any other" then I will believe it. Men consciously posting on a tgirl forum obviously prefer tgirls to GG's hence they're here- not there right? Or are you guys admirers of GG's but just happened to come here and say "oh hell, I love the personalities of the girls and don't care about what's under the skirt!"
At the same time, I honestly agree with Estatic, although his points seem to be a little more explained in his own terms (where he has admitted he is versatile), so I definately understand where he is coming from. The rest of you have just said "no i swear I'm straight!" That really doesn't fly boys.

JusticeIsBlind
02-13-2007, 09:59 PM
If a guy had a vagina, I wouldn't want to lick it. And any girl can tell you I love eating pussy.

Kriss
02-13-2007, 10:28 PM
8)

crayons
02-13-2007, 10:46 PM
Kriss: I understand your point completely, the only part that flew past me was the Buck Angel comment. I'm not sure whether that was meant in good humor or not, but I honestly didn't get it.
Anyway, I honestly wish I could just drop it, but I always get frustrated because I feel like it's something that hasn't been settled. Actually, I was checking the poll of on the "guys are you tops, bottoms or versatile" thread and noticed that verstatile was more popular. I'm just curious whether versatile males consider themselves straight or bi. Or which category would they fall under? A very low percentage rated as "I only prefer blowjobs" but I still haven't read any comments from people saying this (i guess they're afraid of ridicule). Maybe they have and I missed it, but I would appreciate their opinion on this topic as well just as I would from the guys that only prefer to be bottoms.
Do you now see my dilema? I mean, there are more men voting they like to penetrate as well as be penetrated by a beautiful girl. I didn't think or ever consider a straight male to want to be penetrated- or maybe I'm the one who just didn't understand men. That's why I was able to understand Estatics post, but the rest haven't been very convincing.

JusticeIsBlind
02-13-2007, 11:07 PM
Kriss: I understand your point completely, the only part that flew past me was the Buck Angel comment. I'm not sure whether that was meant in good humor or not, but I honestly didn't get it.
Anyway, I honestly wish I could just drop it, but I always get frustrated because I feel like it's something that hasn't been settled. Actually, I was checking the poll of on the "guys are you tops, bottoms or versatile" thread and noticed that verstatile was more popular. I'm just curious whether versatile males consider themselves straight or bi. Or which category would they fall under? A very low percentage rated as "I only prefer blowjobs" but I still haven't read any comments from people saying this (i guess they're afraid of ridicule). Maybe they have and I missed it, but I would appreciate their opinion on this topic as well just as I would from the guys that only prefer to be bottoms.
Do you now see my dilema? I mean, there are more men voting they like to penetrate as well as be penetrated by a beautiful girl. I didn't think or ever consider a straight male to want to be penetrated- or maybe I'm the one who just didn't understand men. That's why I was able to understand Estatics post, but the rest haven't been very convincing.

I've never been penetrated, but biologically-speaking: men have a prostate, which makes anal sex pleasurable. I wouldn't call a guy "not straight" if he enjoyed being penetrated by his wife with a strap-on.

Bi = You like men and women.
Gay = You like men.

How does enjoying penetration equate to being sexually attracted to men?

MNccklvr
08-20-2008, 09:30 PM
I would love to suck a girls cock but I have never met one and can't afford what is talked about. So although I consider myself bi I blow guys because I love cock. The worst part is I have mainly blown older or heavy guys. I guess people will say I'm a faggot and I agree but I truly love these beautiful girls.

Nassau
08-21-2008, 07:53 AM
I Dont think that is true cuz if that was the case you could also say that any guy that would fuck a tg would fuck a guy and I know for sure I would never fuck a guy and most guys not all our like me

But don't knock it till you try it
I tried it once I wasn't into it and and it lasted 4 about 30 seconds
it's not for every dude so just find out 4 yourself Hell you might find out you like it.

ajoan87
08-21-2008, 10:59 PM
I think most guys who would hook up with a TG would also hook up with another guy. I've introduced SEVERAL bfs/ex-bfs/friends with benefits to the world of "hung angels" and most (I'd say about 75%) have since hooked up with guys. So....

macfan
08-21-2008, 11:28 PM
I've discovered that sexuality is so varied that no matter what anyone else says or does we all have our own desires that drive us to our actions sexually, and will continue to do so irrespective of a message forum.

For myself I like the femininity of transsexual girls when contrasted with my desires as a strict top when it comes to sex. I love to penetrate, always have and this is what turns me on, GG or TG, one and the same to me. I guess I am attracted to delicate features, smooth body, very effeminate Tgirls.

I've taken the time to read up about transsexualism and it fascinates me to read the personal stories of tgirls and thus the attraction goes beyond even physical into a mentality that tgirls have to embrace femininity, an expression of their true selves. That ultimately appeals to me in a direct way. :)

Bostonsub
08-22-2008, 12:07 AM
You are going to get arguments either way. If you are on this site, you are in a certain "gray" area when it comes to conventional thinking anyway. Arguing this subject either way is crazy.

Ever watch that show "Rescue Me".... when the two guys were arguing over who was "gay-er"... the one getting the BJ or the one giving it?

Seriously, If you want to go down on a guy, knock yourself out. If you want to lick a pussy, knock yourself out. If you want to suck a TS "clit" knock yourself out....Why do we have to put a label on it?

Personally, I don't find a guy remotely attractive, whether he's shaved up and cut or not.

I love attractive women and there are many of you on here and I think making a list I'd leave one of you out and I'd feel bad. But to use an example, if Jessica Host were standing in front of me now, I dont think I could get to my knees fast enough!

I like what I like! TS or GG, it doesnt matter to me. Beauty is beauty and it doesnt make sense to label it bi or gay.

maximilian
08-22-2008, 03:42 AM
I would have no problems sucking a girl's cock if I'm attracted to her. She would still be a woman who just happens to have a cock instead of a pussy. No chance I would ever suck a guy's cock because I don't find men attractive.

El Nino
08-22-2008, 05:29 AM
where would you draw the line though?? The answer is, there are no lines...

slinky
08-22-2008, 07:10 AM
The answer is, there are no lines...

party's over.

where's the after hours at?

surfoc
08-23-2008, 01:38 PM
Men shoot bigger loads than most ts.

djef75
08-23-2008, 02:22 PM
LOL..

U GUYS HAVE 2 BE KIDDING ME!!!!


WHY DONT U BE HONEST WITH YOURSELF?

I ONLY SUCK SHE MALE COCK BECAUSE IM FUSTRATED!

A COCK IS A COCK...

SUCKING COCK DOESNT MAKE U STR8...THIS ISNT MY OPINION..IT'S A FACT!

IT MAKES U BISEXUAL OR GAY! NOT STR8

First forgive my poor english talking cause I am from Europe,

Then if you are logical with the way you think, you should not call yourself a "girl" nor transexual, but a "MAN", like you said a cock is a cock, if you have it between your legs, you are a man.
In this way your assertion, become logical, and any man sucking a cock is gay or bi.

What about man with his wife playing sexual game and his wife having a dildo belt to fuck him ( and a lot of straith couple are playing those game), does he become gay by this fact, or is still straith man having anal pleasure ?

has you can see iddeas about sexual behaviours are far much complicated that a simple affirmation.

panty princess
08-23-2008, 03:50 PM
I would suck both, I have sucked my wives strapon many times and love it. My wife would also find it hot to watch me suck a real cock. I am not to worried about labels.

cadcad
08-23-2008, 04:23 PM
i only find a feminine look/body attractive the male body just doesnt really do it for me. but i consider myself bi cuz cock really turns me on more than a vag it just does. so yea id suck guy cock but id be telling myself it was on a hot girl and picturing it in my mind.

MrShow52
08-23-2008, 04:48 PM
That's like saying if you can eat bacon, you can eat human flesh

no it's like saying, if you suck one dick you can suck them all. Dick is dick, just cause the one you suck has fake tits doesn't mean you're not gay..... cause you are..... for sucking dick....

david-m-77
08-23-2008, 07:44 PM
I am not attracked to dudes, but I don't see what the problem would be in giving some one head. It tastes the same to me either way, but I do love TS dick much better than dude dick.

scorpion
08-24-2008, 12:28 AM
this dumb tgirl bitch gonna tell me
"if you can suck a tgirls cock, you can suck a guys cock, and if you can fuck a tgirl (or get fuckedby a tgirl) you can fuck/get fucked by a guy"
I tried to tell her dumbass that she's looking at it through a matter of semantics and that it's a 2 different situations. That's like saying if you can eat bacon, you can eat human flesh



Oops I am 100% gay 100% tranny admireer I can not think of me to be with someone without penis...someone on this forum are sure of they are strait beacause they dont go to bed whith a male... But a tranny penis is okey... You think you can suck a penis bee fucked by a tranny and you are not even Bi..........Its only one country on the earth you can think like this.... :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Jim Steel
08-24-2008, 01:41 AM
How about a girly man? Is that the same as a Tgirl???

Tresimir
08-24-2008, 04:14 AM
Absolutely Not

MNccklvr
09-21-2008, 02:28 AM
Here is my answer!

maximilian
09-21-2008, 07:42 AM
Not a chance.

soulRipp
09-21-2008, 03:27 PM
if you sucking a tgirl dick you are sucking off a man from the get go. I understand the whole thing of tgirls thinking that they are not men, but lets get this str8 if you was born john smith just because you changed your name to jane smith doesnt mean that your dick is now a pussy. no your dick is a dick and if a guy suck it he just suck a guy's cock. Also half they people that say they would suck a guy dick are the same ones on the CLUB KID TREAD!

shortweed
09-22-2008, 01:59 AM
a tranny is MALE ... that is a FACT, cocks are on MEN, if you suck cock you are bi or gay, no ifs ands of butts. dudes that say they are not bi/gay cuz they only fuck trannies are just too afraid to admit they are a "sissy"

Azrial
09-22-2008, 02:41 AM
when i'm really drunk and/or horny i can imagine sucking a man's dick. sometimes seeing guy's cocks in porn turns me on. but when it comes down to it, it's really just the cock that i'm into on men... i really am not attracted to men in any form or fashion. given that, i don't THINK i would do it. but i wouldn't exactly be floored if i woke up one morning and realized that the night before i got really fucked up and took the walk of the gay side.

masterR
09-22-2008, 03:10 AM
guy does guy Gay , guy does girls and guys Bi , guy does girls Straight . guy does girls and Trannies " BENT ". i will coin this phrase and trade mark it. thank you. Good night

sdtgfan
09-22-2008, 12:21 PM
Speaking for myself, I totally realize that I've got a bi streak. The first time I saw Jeff Stryker's hard cock in Hustler, I got turned on. I get turned on by straight porn star cocks when they are getting fucked and sucked by porn babes. I don't get turned on by guy's bodies and hate to see their faces when jerking to their hard cocks,but I get turned on by the cock.

When I finally got on the internet, I made my way AOL M4M. I was too nervous to search for guys to blow, so I had them blow me. I really enjoyed having a man between my legs and the difference between my girlfriend's petite hands and a man's large hand on my cock.

After a while, I got my nerve up and started stroking the other guy. I enjoyed that and then ended up saying "fuck it", and went down on the guy. While I enjoyed it for a while, I found that I didn't really care if the guy got off or not. I just wanted to fool around for a bit and then I became disinterested. There's nothing about a guy that makes me want to pleasure him.

I discovered transsexuals at the same time, thanks to the net. For a guy like me who gets off on cocks, but not the rest of the guy, t-girls are extremely sexy. A couple of years back I got together with a couple of t-girl escorts (separately). I totally wanted to make them cum. I know t-girls want to be seen as women and some see them as men, I see them as a gender unto themselves.

I had some fun with a couple of them, even got fucked for the first and probably last times. However, the whole escort thing isn't for me. Would I like to get together with a non pro t-girl? Totally. However, I'm not going to lie about being into them for a relationship and believe that being into them sexually will turn them off. Still, I really enjoy the porn, get head from guys sometimes and love women. There you go.

Beagle
09-22-2008, 12:45 PM
Isn't this like asking a straight guy...

Hey you suck the tits of women, I guess that means you'll also suck the tits of some old fat guy, huh?

francisfkudrow
09-22-2008, 05:58 PM
Isn't this like asking a straight guy...

Hey you suck the tits of women, I guess that means you'll also suck the tits of some old fat guy, huh?

LOL

Ben
09-22-2008, 09:50 PM
Would you suck off this muscular dude???????

Mac_Hine
09-22-2008, 09:58 PM
if you can eat girl pussy, will you eat man pussy :?:

MrsKellyPierce
09-23-2008, 12:51 AM
lol wow this got a lot of responses

conan007
09-23-2008, 01:40 AM
IM NOT A DUDE! LOL

IM A PRE OP TRANSSEXUAL!!!

SO I KNOW WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT....I HAVE 2 DEAL WITH GUYS LIKE U ALL THE TIMES..

NO ONE THAT SUCKS COCK IS STR8!!! FACT NOT OPINION!

U ARE BISEXUAL..IF U DO THAT!


I agree with you, a COCK'S a COCK, a Transsexial, was a man, and phisically always will be, even if she goes all the way and has a sex change.

The act of sucking a cock is always going to be a gay act, regardless of if your sucking a guy or a transsexual

hippifried
09-23-2008, 02:33 AM
"Just keep it on the downlow..."

Hehehe

sexyshana
09-23-2008, 05:10 AM
nothing hotter than making a 'straight' guy suck a huge man cock for my viewing pleasure.

Surkis
09-23-2008, 09:03 AM
Isn't this like asking a straight guy...

Hey you suck the tits of women, I guess that means you'll also suck the tits of some old fat guy, huh?

This hits the nail righ ton the head.

Some people are so fucking stupid about this issue that i'm suprised they even know how to breath, let alone function.

I've always said that its stupid to say that liking a T-girl makes you gay because gay guys don't go for guys who look and act like beautiful women, and to say we're bi implies that we can go from Angelina Jolie to Vin Diesel, but not many of us can do that either.

Why can't I just be a straight guy who likes T-girls? I mean what's so wrong about that? Why are there people out there who have nothing better to do than FORCE you to be 1 thing or another? No matter how you look at it, and i mean no harm by saying this, but T-girls are a grey area, end of story. Its not definitive. Some guys who like t-girls like them because they are closet homos who can't come out, but there are others who truely are bi, and some guys just like women but with a little extra something.

Why the hell do you have to force it into a gay/bi thing? Does it make you feel more like a man or whatever to throw a lable on it?

francisfkudrow
09-24-2008, 02:27 AM
Will everyone just suck on the genitals of, and allow their genitals to be sucked by the people they're attracted to?

Seems like a simple solution.

happyjack
09-25-2008, 05:08 PM
nothing hotter than making a 'straight' guy suck a huge man cock for my viewing pleasure.

even some striaght guy,,me for example,,,sucking your hot she-cock, shana?

exstudent
10-26-2008, 01:46 AM
With that sort of logic. lips are lips so if you can kiss a girl you can kiss a guy.

It's simply not true. It is about who you are attracted to!

Tgirls are feminine

Buhdook
10-26-2008, 01:50 AM
all u guys are misunderstanding me!!!

i didnt say u would suck a guy's cock!!!

all i meant is that if u think sucking a trannie's cock makes u STR8!

u are mistaken!I have to agree with her here. I'm just as guilty. When you suck trannie cock, you're sucking cock. It makes it easier to deny to yourself that you're bisexual. But, the reality is, you're sucking a genetic guy's cock. It's just attached to a prettier person who gives the illusion of being a girl.

kingtiger01
10-26-2008, 02:09 AM
i agree with headman. But, honestly its got to be a matter of opinion.

Its not like were talking about Glory hole shots here. were Talking about Beautiful Women With a Extra Package.

Just Because Some One Decides to Wrap there Lips around a "Girls" Cock, with the intention that she has a wonderful body, beautiful Breasts and they look at the point of view that this is a Woman...

Is alot different than walking into a room taking on the Persona that "this is once a man. once you go dick, you never go back"

if that were the Case, most *Every* person(more specifically males) in this forum, who have ever fantasized, much less, slept with a TS/TV. Could even begin to classify them selves as anywhere near the gay point of view.

In my mind, and im sure many others. Just because, you have a dick, doesn't classify you as a male. that Persona has changed more so. Its the Persona of how the person carrying the dick considers them selves as Male or Female.

---

Remember, just a matter of opinion. Personally, id never sleep with another man. Im very open minded, but, im not attracted to the male Persona, im attracted to "Females".
But, like a fetish. That little extra, is a big turn on...

Just like some People like feet, and food. i love TS's, but that doesnt mean i love Gay/bi Guys.

ren
11-23-2008, 07:59 PM
well since sex is mostly in the mind they won't mind if they don't know just tell them it is a girl like vanity, jesse, or honeylove and see them go at it like wolves

PomonaCA
11-25-2008, 07:10 AM
if you can eat girl pussy, will you eat man pussy :?:


LOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!

attracted2ts
11-25-2008, 08:03 AM
Hmmm...I must say I personally don't care what noone says sex wise whatever makes you happy as long as its consensual go for it...Whether you like sucking she-cock or he-cock(Personally I'd only suck a she-cock) or you and a family member want to get it on..To me it doesn't matter..Seems to me alot of people want to label others when you say gay, st8, or bi....I myself am not attracted to a guy, nor cross dresser...I always saw shemales as female...The look the smell, the talk and the way they conduct themselves as women attracts me..It just happens they were born with a penis...I believe in pleasing my partner and if I'm with a shemale I will do whatever it takes to please them but get nailed by her...I love women and when I see women whether shemale or female in my eyes she is still a female and most I know appreciate that...For the ones trying to label people like me as bi or straight I see that you are still close minded people who need to get comfortable with yourself before you judge others.....Who you choose to fuck or suck is on you...Be happy fuck what people say....Love is love and who you choose to whther they male, female, shemale, heshe, srs, blood relative, dog, midget or whatever be happy and fuck a label....I'm human and a guy that love women if I make out with a female suck her titties and toes and she pulls her pants down and she has a dick or not I will satisfy her beacause i'm attracted to the womanly aspect not the dick aspect...

BlackAdder
11-25-2008, 09:12 AM
"Just like some People like feet, and food. i love TS's, but that doesnt mean i love Gay/bi Guys."


Exactly

slikrickdalicka
11-25-2008, 10:26 AM
Who the hell cares....str8, gay,ts,tg,gg...those are all f'ing labels......you are who you fell that you are and not some label made by the people who are afraid to explore their sexuality and feel that they have to belong to some type of group just for classification. "ooo im not gay i am straght"....sound familiar......we all at one point have quoate and unquote
homosexual tendencies and curiosity.....it is in human nature......others just act on it because that is what they feel and choose and others just hide.....so again who cares if you suck a she cock or a man cock.....men are still men and women will be women. Do not let seual preference dictate who and what you are. Only you can do that......I have sucked she cock and tried man cock one time.....but i tell you I do not feel any different then from the day before that I tried either.........looking at a gg still gives me raging hard ons but by thesame token if i see a hot ts i still get the same raging hard on....bottom line is I know who I am...I am me...and if it means that i am gay, str8 bi or whatever crappy label you want to put on me..so be it......but labels are for cowards that want to hide behind them.

phobun
11-25-2008, 10:34 AM
"Just like some People like feet, and food. i love TS's, but that doesnt mean i love Gay/bi Guys."


Exactly
You don't need to love Gay/bi Guys.
We can tell from your pose what is going on...
It's all about raw feline sex, huh? with no love involved.

raquel1
11-25-2008, 03:23 PM
I WOULD LOVE TO SUCK ALLANAH STARR OR GIA DARLINGS COCKS THEY LOOK SO DELICIOUS AND SO BIG.

daloo3xxx
11-27-2008, 06:33 PM
I dont think it is to complecated .. for me I like girls but I love to suck man cock and get fucked by man ..

Prospero
11-27-2008, 06:48 PM
LOVE SHEMALE COCK - TO SUCK AND BE FUCKED BY. TRIED MALE COCK ONE TIME (MAN AS A MAN) AND IT DID NOT RING MY BELL. (WELL YOU HAVE TO TRY MOST THINGS AT LEAST ONCE)

david-m-77
11-21-2009, 07:15 PM
I agree male cock is just not the same. I prefer shemale cock. I am just not attracted to dudes. I love women, but shemales have the whole package. Beauty, tits, ass, and a cock.

seanbeag7
11-21-2009, 07:26 PM
Ok i am bi, i don't care who knows it.

Btw, i have been with guys and girls before when i was in my teens, but i have not been with a t-girl yet. :cry: :banghead

daloo3xxx
11-24-2009, 09:26 PM
mmmmmmmm sure .. all cocks are sooooooo yummy ...

bte
11-24-2009, 09:31 PM
Yeah I would. A cock is a cock. A lot of guys who say they wouldn't probably wouldn't because they are not attracted to guys. They see t-girls as women with a penis, so in their mind, it makes sucking tgirl dick okay, even though they hate on the guys who suck guys' dicks as well.

callahac
11-24-2009, 09:59 PM
A cock is a cock....it all feels good. If it makes any of you guys more comfortable, just turn off the lights and enjoy the ride :)

cadcad
11-24-2009, 10:00 PM
Personally, if I had my genie in a bottle 3 wishes, I'd . . .

1) whip-up room service with a bangin' GG on the menu
2) whip-up room service with an ultra feminine TS on the menu
3) if I couldn't get the first 2, I'd skip room service, head down to the casino, score an eightball and 2 hookers, and then let the good times roll baby


Other than the 3rd your wishes are horrible.

Pepa_e_Mango
11-24-2009, 10:14 PM
this dumb tgirl bitch gonna tell me
"if you can suck a tgirls cock, you can suck a guys cock, and if you can fuck a tgirl (or get fuckedby a tgirl) you can fuck/get fucked by a guy"
I tried to tell her dumbass that she's looking at it through a matter of semantics and that it's a 2 different situations. That's like saying if you can eat bacon, you can eat human flesh


I really see no difference at all!

giovanni_hotel
11-25-2009, 02:21 AM
Sure, cock is cock, (NOT!!), but for some of us it really matters who that piece of meat is attached to.

fred41
11-25-2009, 02:54 AM
..no I wouldn't.

CannibalMan
11-25-2009, 03:00 AM
I had a girlfriend once. She had some thin scarce facial hair, that I could see up close when we kissed. I had to dump her, because, you know, if I can kiss a girl like that, I can kiss a guy too.

So I was making out with another girl, kissing her all over, when she put her finger in my mouth. I had to dump her too, because, if I let a girl stick her finger in my mouth, I can let a guy too.

The third girl I walked on her when she was commenting with her friend that my ass was hot. Had to dump her too.

Nowadays I don't date. It's too risky. You know, girls have 2 legs, 2 arms and 1 head just like guys. If you think about it, dating a girl is kinda gay. At least bissexual. Definitely bissexual.

Bobzz
11-25-2009, 02:03 PM
I had a girlfriend once. She had some thin scarce facial hair, that I could see up close when we kissed. I had to dump her, because, you know, if I can kiss a girl like that, I can kiss a guy too.

So I was making out with another girl, kissing her all over, when she put her finger in my mouth. I had to dump her too, because, if I let a girl stick her finger in my mouth, I can let a guy too.

The third girl I walked on her when she was commenting with her friend that my ass was hot. Had to dump her too.

Nowadays I don't date. It's too risky. You know, girls have 2 legs, 2 arms and 1 head just like guys. If you think about it, dating a girl is kinda gay. At least bissexual. Definitely bissexual.

The man's a genius I tell you! Brilliantly done! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

fred41
11-25-2009, 03:25 PM
I had a girlfriend once. She had some thin scarce facial hair, that I could see up close when we kissed. I had to dump her, because, you know, if I can kiss a girl like that, I can kiss a guy too.

So I was making out with another girl, kissing her all over, when she put her finger in my mouth. I had to dump her too, because, if I let a girl stick her finger in my mouth, I can let a guy too.

The third girl I walked on her when she was commenting with her friend that my ass was hot. Had to dump her too.

Nowadays I don't date. It's too risky. You know, girls have 2 legs, 2 arms and 1 head just like guys. If you think about it, dating a girl is kinda gay. At least bissexual. Definitely bissexual.

lol..I like this....there are two types of annoying people on here:

1- The people who like one particular type of sex (usually very rigid )..and keep insisting that it's better than what you like ..(with the assumption being of course..that they are then,..better than you...or at least much, much,mucho manlier).

2- The people that felt that they had some sort of epiphany about themselves and their sexuality (my god..I think I'm bisexual..I'm must be so open minded.I will spread my message and tell the world!!!)..but not being content with that..they have to insist that you are the same as them..and will tell you so..whether you like it or not.........again and again and again and again..(cause they must be right !!)..again and again..

this makes fun of both those types. Good post :claps

brickcitybrother
11-27-2009, 05:55 AM
I had a girlfriend once. She had some thin scarce facial hair, that I could see up close when we kissed. I had to dump her, because, you know, if I can kiss a girl like that, I can kiss a guy too.

So I was making out with another girl, kissing her all over, when she put her finger in my mouth. I had to dump her too, because, if I let a girl stick her finger in my mouth, I can let a guy too.

The third girl I walked on her when she was commenting with her friend that my ass was hot. Had to dump her too.

Nowadays I don't date. It's too risky. You know, girls have 2 legs, 2 arms and 1 head just like guys. If you think about it, dating a girl is kinda gay. At least bissexual. Definitely bissexual.

Excellent

runamok
11-27-2009, 08:27 AM
LOL..

U GUYS HAVE 2 BE KIDDING ME!!!!


WHY DONT U BE HONEST WITH YOURSELF?

I ONLY SUCK SHE MALE COCK BECAUSE IM FUSTRATED!

A COCK IS A COCK...

SUCKING COCK DOESNT MAKE U STR8...THIS ISNT MY OPINION..IT'S A FACT!

IT MAKES U BISEXUAL OR GAY! NOT STR8

How do you not understand that it's about the person who the cock is attached to and not the 6" of meat that sticks out?

If it was just about "cock" then would we waste our time with just T-girls? If that was the case then we'd just hit any glory hole and call it a night. No need to drop big $$$ on T-girl ass.

Incredible.

giovanni_hotel
11-27-2009, 09:44 PM
ABSOLUTE SHADE, you're a big dummy!!

Of course it matters to whom the cock is attached.

Your argument is the equivalent of saying, pussy is pussy, so if you fuck your girlfriend, you should no qualms about fucking you mother and sister too.

Desiring to suck off a tgirl is DIFFERENT than sucking off a guy.

The Second Coming- JB
11-27-2009, 09:55 PM
you gaddamn stupid fucking fucktard. Why does everything has to be about gay or staright? no matter what the question may be, it some how ends being a debate about gay and straight.

The question was "If you can suck girl cock, will you suck guy cock?"

and this is an example of what a answer might look like for all you retards.

if he dress up like a girl and look good/passable as a girl and his balls and ass were shaven. then yes i would suck a guys cock.

ptyseminole
11-27-2009, 10:31 PM
It's a mental thing: I have sucked shemale cock and love it, but I would never consider sucking a guy's cock...

loveburst
04-12-2010, 05:44 PM
Tgirls have female energies, and in case female energies attract, and one is magnetized towards the purest form of female love - that can be seen shining from the soul of a beautiful TGirl.

This is stuff that is most likely going on at the deepest soul level - we are having hard time to understand, since all the biblical BS, has f**ked our heads about these deeper subjects about existence.

DL_NL
04-12-2010, 06:20 PM
I don't care how anyone qualifies my sexuality. I'm not attracted to guys sexually, t-girls are not guys. If you think they are, what are you doing here?

blackrob
09-10-2010, 07:22 AM
I date a GG (actually call her my girlfriend). She is a stripper here in Vegas. I like her a whole lot. We actually like a Transgender stripper that we've played with here and there. But in regards to this issue....here's my lithmus test:

Scenario: I come back to my hotel room after a long night out with the business associates. Much to my surprise, sitting in a chair in one corner of the room is Pam Anderson. She is rubbing herself. Sitting in another chair in another corner of the room is Danielle Foxx stroking herself. Which do I gravitate toward?

My girlfriend is giggling over my shoulder because she knows the answer I'm going to type...........Danielle!!!!!

Oh no!!!! Oh my God!!!!!!.......I'm bisexual!!!.

Danielle's had her dick chopped off now what?

princevince89
09-10-2010, 07:46 AM
ok thats like a girl (gg) saying "you would fuck me in the ass but why wont you fuck a guy in the ass, there both asses"

jamiecoxxdotcom
09-10-2010, 10:13 AM
If you can suck girl cock, will you suck guy cock?

Either way your sucking a guys cock.
(chromosomes - no surgery in the world will change 'em.)

giovanni_hotel
09-10-2010, 03:32 PM
If you can suck girl cock, will you suck guy cock?

Either way your sucking a guys cock.
(chromosomes - no surgery in the world will change 'em.)


There you go again, Jamie.

Horses and dogs have cocks too. It's all about context.

A transgendered woman's genitalia in my mind just is NOT the same as a gender identified man's penis.

sdman
09-10-2010, 04:44 PM
If you can suck girl cock, will you suck guy cock?

Either way your sucking a guys cock.
(chromosomes - no surgery in the world will change 'em.)



I wouldnt suck your cock or a guys cock because you look like a man and thats soemthing i'm not attracted to so no I would not suck a guys cock!

fab
09-10-2010, 04:46 PM
No way. I need tits to play with :)

jamiecoxxdotcom
09-10-2010, 06:29 PM
There you go again, Jamie.

Horses and dogs have cocks too. It's all about context.

A transgendered woman's genitalia in my mind just is NOT the same as a gender identified man's penis.

I don't care if your suck dog cocks or human cocks... they're still all dude cocks. Science cares not of your opinion or semantics.

You may hate fruit but love pineapple on your pizza... making an exception by calling it a pizza topping doesn't stop it from being a fruit all the same.



I wouldnt suck your cock or a guys cock because you look like a man and thats soemthing i'm not attracted to so no I would not suck a guys cock!

Who said anything about sucking my cock? Do I know you or something?

So what if I look like a dude? Are you prepared to swing by and take back all the stuff I've bought with my porn and escorting money on behalf of all the cheated men who apparently didn't realize I was a dude.

At least I live it. You're on this board cause you live a secret life. You empty motherfucker.

Legend
09-10-2010, 07:17 PM
A transgendered woman's genitalia in my mind just is NOT the same as a gender identified man's penis.

What makes them different? I really don't understand the logic in that a penis is a penis.

sdman
09-10-2010, 07:53 PM
I don't care if your suck dog cocks or human cocks... they're still all dude cocks. Science cares not of your opinion or semantics.

You may hate fruit but love pineapple on your pizza... making an exception by calling it a pizza topping doesn't stop it from being a fruit all the same.




Who said anything about sucking my cock? Do I know you or something?

So what if I look like a dude? Are you prepared to swing by and take back all the stuff I've bought with my porn and escorting money on behalf of all the cheated men who apparently didn't realize I was a dude.

At least I live it. You're on this board cause you live a secret life. You empty motherfucker.


The men who were with you were looking for men not because they didnt realize you were a man. LOL

jamiecoxxdotcom
09-10-2010, 08:13 PM
That's absolutely fine by me... either way I don't have to schlub a 9 to 5 job and break my back to attain in one year what it takes normal folks 10 years to accomplish.

Trust me, I'd rather be seen as a ugly, cross dressing half a fag on these boards and know that I live my life making music, movies, porn, etc. than being some plain ass, uninteresting drone that wakes up goes to work, eats, sleeps and repeats cycle.

It's not even about the money... I have something so much more important that being an dudely looking hooker has afforded me. TIME. Can you say that? How many of your dreams were you ever able to pursue let alone accomplish? No matter how ugly, in the end I'm sittin' pretty.


The men who were with you were looking for men not because they didnt realize you were a man. LOL

sdman
09-10-2010, 08:19 PM
That's absolutely fine by me... either way I don't have to schlub a 9 to 5 job and break my back to attain in one year what it takes normal folks 10 years to accomplish.

Trust me, I'd rather be seen as a ugly, cross dressing half a fag on these boards and know that I live my life making music, movies, porn, etc. than being some plain ass, uninteresting drone that wakes up goes to work, eats, sleeps and repeats cycle.

It's not even about the money... I have something so much more important that being an dudely looking hooker has afforded me. TIME. Can you say that? How many of your dreams were you ever able to pursue let alone accomplish? No matter how ugly, in the end I'm sittin' pretty.

Jamie I didnt say you were ugly but you do know that you're not the most feminine tranny out there. Guys who like you i'm sure go for you becasue of how you look just like other guys go for other girls because they may look a different way.

I wish you nothing but the best jamie.

bte
09-10-2010, 08:24 PM
What makes them different? I really don't understand the logic in that a penis is a penis.

Didn't you know that a transsexual cock is more feminine than a guy's cock. :)

dderek123
09-10-2010, 08:30 PM
Yeah a cock is a cock. But it feels a bit different with an ultra feminine shemale. It feels like you can really let loose because they are so pleasing for all 5 senses. Guys on the otherhand are for the most part (but not all) hairy, smelly, rude and often have bad hygiene.

I have been with femboys and crossdressers before ... actually there was this one verry feminine boy who was the greatest lay that I ever had. She was pretty and feminine and could fuck for days.

bte
09-10-2010, 08:34 PM
Yeah a cock is a cock. But it feels a bit different with an ultra feminine shemale. It feels like you can really let loose because they are so pleasing for all 5 senses. Guys on the otherhand are for the most part (but not all) hairy, smelly, rude and often have bad hygiene.

I have been with femboys and crossdressers before ... actually there was this one verry feminine boy who was the greatest lay that I ever had. She was pretty and feminine and could fuck for days.

Not all guys are hairy, smelly, or rude (who is going to be rude when they are getting laid?). Anyway, a guy can be pleasing to all the 5 senses as well.

ed_jaxon
09-10-2010, 08:53 PM
Then logically, all pussy is the same and it doesn't matter whose legs it resides between.

dderek123
09-10-2010, 09:00 PM
Holy fuck Ed you hammered that point home. Hahah. Yeah I hear you guys. I guess for me how feminine the transsexual is makes a big difference. Still find the majority of men really unattractive. I only like the pretty ones :whistle:.

I'm not saying that being rude/hairy/stinky/etc. is strictly a masculine or feminine though.

jamiecoxxdotcom
09-10-2010, 09:19 PM
Then logically, all pussy is the same and it doesn't matter whose legs it resides between.

Yup - those are both chicks.

The question wasn't about ones preference between the different sexes - it was about the preference between different factions of the same sex.

ed_jaxon
09-10-2010, 09:41 PM
Ok I'll bite.

Let me change the wording a bit

So you can suck transexual boobs. Will you suck man boobs?

mbf
09-10-2010, 09:46 PM
Then logically, all pussy is the same and it doesn't matter whose legs it resides between.

For the plenty of virgins on here, yes :party: since they don't get any anyways

tgirlzoe
09-10-2010, 09:55 PM
I didn't read all 22 pages, I just wanted to say I would never be with a guy who was into guys. I just couldn't see doing that.

Yaoi (gay anime) is cute and hot but in real life, I don't know. I'm not homophobic but I wouldn't want to picture my boyfriend being with another girl but getting his ass pounded by some other guy is just gross and would be a deal-breaker.

I like my men traditionally masculine and entirely heterosexual. If that means they are too protective of their sexuality to go down on me, that's fine. I do still think it's weird that somehow everything else is fair game but when it comes to sucking cock, that's gay. I have high standards for my men, I like manly men -- men with a crunchy shell and a soft inside, who are strong but can also open up about their feelings. But even if a guy was masculine and bisexual, his sexuality would be a deal-breaker.

I also wouldn't want to fear that he had some twisted idea of me as a feminine or cross-dressing boy, a boy with boobs, I don't know. Same reason I wouldn't date a guy who was into trannies. Of course, I had an ex-boyfriend tell me that a couple years after me, he had taken this girl home and after she had gone down on him, she told him she had a little secret... He said if it hadn't have been for me, he probably would have freaked out on her but because I had expanded his mind, he was happy to have another tgirl again. But for every guy I have been with (I'm not a pro or anything), I'm the only tgirl they've ever been with and that's the only way I would want it.

dderek123
09-11-2010, 04:12 AM
Ok I'll bite.

Let me change the wording a bit

So you can suck transexual boobs. Will you suck man boobs?

Hmmm depends are they man boobs grown from hormone therapy or man boobs grown from a poor diet and no exercise? :geek:

dderek123
09-11-2010, 04:17 AM
double post sorry

gumbercules
09-11-2010, 04:19 AM
No,tranny cock all the way. I wanna see a babe when I look up.

chrisraid3
09-11-2010, 09:27 AM
havent had the pleasure of sucking a girl cock, but i have sucked alot of guy cock!

mbf
09-11-2010, 09:35 AM
Then logically, all pussy is the same and it doesn't matter whose legs it resides between.

Happy humping!!!!

(no offense to buck Angel tho, who seems to be a cool person)

CaptainPlanet
09-11-2010, 09:51 AM
I had a girlfriend once. She had some thin scarce facial hair, that I could see up close when we kissed. I had to dump her, because, you know, if I can kiss a girl like that, I can kiss a guy too.

So I was making out with another girl, kissing her all over, when she put her finger in my mouth. I had to dump her too, because, if I let a girl stick her finger in my mouth, I can let a guy too.

The third girl I walked on her when she was commenting with her friend that my ass was hot. Had to dump her too.

Nowadays I don't date. It's too risky. You know, girls have 2 legs, 2 arms and 1 head just like guys. If you think about it, dating a girl is kinda gay. At least bissexual. Definitely bissexual.

Crazy that happened to me too! I dated this Colombian GG, but she had hair on her lower back, that she used to wax or shave when she was younger. It turned me off so much during sex, that i had to let her go, on top of the hair around her asshole and arms.

I see nothing attractive in a guy, i dont care how girly they look, its still a guy in my eyes.

eddie03
09-11-2010, 10:52 AM
Would I? If the right guy came along sure, but I am bisexual, or some would say I am bi-curious since I haven't experienced it yet. Probably never will, although my wife has known for quite a while I am interested in cock. And she has told me if I could have a safe experience with the right person she thinks I should. But its never taken away my interest in pussy either. I guess I find humans atractive...

I don't believe I could have a overly emotional relationship with a guy, for that I know I prefer women. I think that everone wants it to be one way or the other gay or straight, I think I just like the middle ground.

For the guy that posted the Buck Adams picture, that would a truly different experience. Never given it much thought before, but damn he does have a cute pussy and nice clit! I guess I would try most anything once.

Prospero
09-11-2010, 01:11 PM
In a word, No. Tried it. hated it. As someone else said the look is so hugely important. And the scent. And the sensibilty.

drb05
09-15-2010, 07:28 PM
The "a dick is a dick" posters don't seem to get the point: tgirls are female in nature, they are girls who have cocks! So sucking a girl's cock doesn't say anything about what you would or wouldn't do with a guy! When you look at Vanity or Patricia Araujo or (my dream girl) Dakota, do you honestly see "a guy"?! If so, we just see the world differently!

Femininity is what fascinates me. And there is something about a totally feminine girl with a hard cock! And I'm a bit submissive with women whether they're "gg's" or "tg's"
so I would tend to be the guy falling to my knees (YES!) ad begging to suck some girl cock! But I have no real desire for anything masculine or for femme guys.

I do think sometimes that I could enjoy some play with a really ripped hyper-masculine guy, with maybe 9 or 10 inches, but I don't really consider it much, and I don't think it has anything to do with my attraction to beautiful women with cocks!

Josh_64
09-15-2010, 07:52 PM
What a thread. I can watch Tgirl porn and get very horny but I cannot watch gay porn. Doesn't work. At all. I sucked ladyboy dicks in Bangkok but I wasn't ever interested in guys dicks. Seanchai has written wisely. There is more to Tgirls than being guys with dicks. Those I met feel like girls, behave like girls. And suddenly some of us call em men. I give a sh^t what gender is in their passport. I see girls with dicks and I def like the combination.

giovanni_hotel
09-15-2010, 07:55 PM
What a thread. I can watch Tgirl porn and get very horny but I cannot watch gay porn. Doesn't work. At all. I sucked ladyboy dicks in Bangkok but I wasn't ever interested in guys dicks. Seanchai has written wisely. There is more to Tgirls than being guys with dicks. Those I met feel like girls, behave like girls. And suddenly some of us call em men. I give a sh^t what gender is in their passport. I see girls with dicks and I def like the combination.

Gold star post!!!:rock2

Nicole Dupre
09-15-2010, 08:15 PM
Let's get something straight right now. Humans are extremely fucked up animals. We selfishly use this world as a dumping ground, and we are far from being in harmony with it. We wear clothing, smoke cigarettes, kill for kicks, watch television, have extremely twisted fetishes, you name it. We're just not "right". This is a fucking science project we live in, and simplistic bullshit like "male" and "female" no longer apply. In fact, we couldn't go back to basics if we wanted to. And, trust me, we really don't want to anyway. I know I don't. I like this materialistic world just fine. Blow up and nuke, and let's party.

So save this Adam & Eve coloring-book version of "boy and girl" for your grandma. Girls have dicks now. Get used to it. Be proud and feel privileged to even live a world where you can put anyone's genitals in your mouth or ass, because there are scads of repressed ninnies who are afraid to even fuck unless they can make even more repressed little ninnies.

God, but some of you guys are retarded.

NYBURBS
09-15-2010, 08:32 PM
There you go again, Jamie.

Horses and dogs have cocks too. It's all about context.

A transgendered woman's genitalia in my mind just is NOT the same as a gender identified man's penis.

Cock is cock, and nothing will change that fact. I find nothing even remotely attractive about other men, but I also don't delude myself into some fantastic notion that when I go down on a TS it's somehow not a cock. The fact that I'm not attracted to some guy walking down the street does nothing to change the fact that his genitals are the same exact thing as on a T-girl.

People should just be comfortable with themselves and not get so twisted over the issue.

Jericho
09-15-2010, 08:37 PM
People should just be comfortable with themselves and not get so twisted over the issue.

Heresy...Own up...You've been sniffing boy cock! :mrgreen: :hide-1:

You're right of course, but, it's flogging a dead horse, init.
Some people's egos just wont let 'em get past that.

NYBURBS
09-15-2010, 08:39 PM
Heresy...Own up...You've been sniffing boy cock! :mrgreen: :hide-1:


Yea, but I didn't inhale, so it doesn't count :peanutbutter

Jericho
09-15-2010, 08:45 PM
Yea, but I didn't inhale, so it doesn't count :peanutbutter

LOL, We are not worthy! :Bowdown:

south ov da border
09-15-2010, 08:47 PM
cock is cock, chug it up if that's your deal...

Nicole Dupre
09-15-2010, 09:06 PM
Yes. Cocks are cocks and lips are lips. But what are you gonna do? Not kiss girls because boys have lips too? lol

What's wrong with some of you people? Most of you are so paralyzed by fear that you're stuck in a rut where this is all hypothetical for you anyway. Most of these guys who take the plunge immediately get it by the time they walk out the door. Once the get over cockphobia, they go out and enjoy their lives. That's why I can name about 100 people here who's bigger issue is not approximately 6-7 inches of she-meat. It's THEM. They're scared of themselves, and they're trying to understand themselves by putting the rest of you on a cross. People are scared of what they don't understand. It's human nature. And it's actually a good thing within REASON. Looking before you leap is always smart. But god damn. Saying that everywhere you haven't looked is a potential mine shaft is as retarded as not drinking water from a yellow glass because it might be piss.

Gthoma2a
09-15-2010, 09:19 PM
I wouldn't suck a guy cock because I like girls. Cock is cock and t-girls were born the same physically, but guys just don't turn me on, so I will stick to girl cock. That is how it works IMO.

Nicole Dupre
09-15-2010, 09:23 PM
I wouldn't suck a guy cock because I like girls. Cock is cock and t-girls were born the same physically, but guys just don't turn me on, so I will stick to girl cock. That is how it works IMO.
That is how it works.

iputinwork
09-15-2010, 10:03 PM
I'm attracted to women, not dudes and doin anything with a dude will never happen in my case. If I take a lady home and she looks like a lady, walks, talks, like lady, and I get her skirt off and she has a she cock, that's not going to be an issue with me, I'm not just/only attracted to what's in between her legs I'm attracted to her as a whole.

dakotamoss
10-08-2010, 11:16 PM
So I read this thread thinking I would laugh untill I pee. Then I come across all these people calling people gay for sucking dick. Also, saying that guys that like the T just dont wana be called gay and/or bi.

If u wana be called straight, your straight. If you wana be called gay, your gay. People in this day and age get too hung up over lables.

If you all forgot, you arnt Straight, Gay, Bisexual or Lesbian, you are individuals. YOU say who YOU are.

or how about this:

BE YOURSELF, NO LABEL.

Bye Bye all you GAY COCKSUCKERS!!! haha =]


Dakota

toopretty
10-08-2010, 11:29 PM
im attracted to femininity. A penis on a tgirl is still a feminine body part in my opinion.

Davida
10-09-2010, 03:17 AM
i'll suck his cock.

Jake4
01-12-2011, 03:32 AM
I've sucked a lot of guys' cocks and I've enjoyed everyone of them. I like sucking cock and it doesn't matter to me if it's a guy or a girl.

stillies77
01-12-2011, 03:41 AM
Boy cock girl cock ei ei oh.

wdn83
03-22-2011, 02:36 AM
Hell no!!!!

Ineeda SM
03-22-2011, 03:05 AM
My ass has never met a cock it didn't like, and my mouth totally concurs.

Think about it. ALL COCKS ARE GUY COCKS. There's no difference. So hell yeah.

nonnonnon
03-22-2011, 03:16 AM
Think about it. ALL COCKS ARE GUY COCKS. There's no difference. \

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Ineeda SM
03-22-2011, 04:41 AM
LMAO. Come on now nonnonnon, you know what I mean.