Alcohol is a Warm Gun

[trish]

This thread is for MrFanti who doesn't seem to know how to make a thread or stay on topic.

[Stavros]

Bring back Prohibition! And while you're at it, America, ban that other major cause of death: old age.

[broncofan]

He would not be Mr. Fanti if in a thread about alcohol he did not warn everyone about the hazards of smoking.

[Jericho]

If bullets were made out of alcohol, firing squads would be so much fun!

[Jericho]

Or,
If bullets were made out of alcohol, school massacres would be Spring Break!
(Too far)?

[broncofan]

Or,
If bullets were made out of alcohol, school massacres would be Spring Break!
(Too far)?
Not far enough;

[MrFanti]

This thread is for MrFanti who doesn't seem to know how to make a thread or stay on topic.
Nah...It's your sarcastic thread :cool:
Ashame though you can't see the sheer amount of alcohol related deaths with clarity though....

[MrFanti]

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/23/us/jacqui-saburido-drunk-driving-dead-trnd/index.html

Jacqui Saburido, who became the face of an anti-drunk driving campaign, has died

[MrFanti]

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/23/us/jacqui-saburido-drunk-driving-dead-trnd/index.html

Jacqui Saburido, who became the face of an anti-drunk driving campaign, has died

Sad that folks totally disrespect Jacqui's death with a "Thumbs Down" rating...
Truly sad....

[filghy2]

The only person disrespecting her death is you with your insincere posturing

[peejaye]

Yet another thread attacking a genuine supporter of transgirls for their own entertainment, hopefully the site owner will take serious action & stop this horrible section from becoming more poisonous than social media! Lifetime bans would be very welcome thanks.

[filghy2]

What does this have to do with support for transgirls?

[broncofan]

Yet another thread attacking a genuine supporter of transgirls for their own entertainment, hopefully the site owner will take serious action & stop this horrible section from becoming more poisonous than social media! Lifetime bans would be very welcome thanks.
This thread was started by a ts woman in response to the tendency of one person to use a very serious issue to detract from the issue of gun violence and to allow him to discuss any recommendations he had for regulating alcohol. That he has no interest in reform of any kind and was only using alcohol abuse to dilute the issue of gun violence was obvious to everyone who is paying attention. His use of the death of a very serious burn victim without any commentary or apparent interest in the issue is a new low.

It was started a year ago so somehow this major problem escaped your razor sharp mind for twelve months. What is it you think the commenters in this thread did that is worthy of a ban?

[broncofan]

What does this have to do with support for transgirls?
It is his reflexive identification with anyone whose positions and arguments are ridiculous and where a consensus has formed recognizing that. Those who form the consensus are bad, evil, and whatever else regardless of any reasoning or facts.

[MrFanti]

Yet another thread attacking a genuine supporter of transgirls for their own entertainment, hopefully the site owner will take serious action & stop this horrible section from becoming more poisonous than social media! Lifetime bans would be very welcome thanks.

Yep.
All I did was post an informative news article with NO additional personal perspective. But the need to be negative towards individuals here runs deep (Remember the Joanna Jet thread?).....

Sad....

[peejaye]

Yep.
All I did was post an informative news article with NO additional personal perspective. But the need to be negative towards individuals here runs deep (Remember the Joanna Jet thread?).....

Sad....

Fanti; You're dealing with headcases who would contemplate suicide if they were banned from this forum! I mean, look at that nutcase earlier, rated almost 5,000 posts on here! No wonder the world is a fucking dangerous place!:hide-1:

[filghy2]

Fanti; You're dealing with headcases who would contemplate suicide if they were banned from this forum! I mean, look at that nutcase earlier, rated almost 5,000 posts on here! No wonder the world is a fucking dangerous place!:hide-1:

Nobody in this thread has almost 5,000 posts. It's typical that you can't even get trivial facts right.

I suggest you take your above complaint to the administrators, and ask to have us all banned. I'm sure they could do with a good laugh. In view of your posting history they might even give you a special ass hat award. http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?108617-Ass-hat!

[filghy2]

Yep.
All I did was post an informative news article with NO additional personal perspective. But the need to be negative towards individuals here runs deep (Remember the Joanna Jet thread?).....

Sad....

Word of the day
unc•tu•ous (ˈʌŋk tʃu əs)

adj.
1. characterized by affected earnestness or moralistic fervor; excessively suave or smug.

[peejaye]

Nobody in this thread has almost 5,000 posts. It's typical that you can't even get trivial facts right.

Have another look & read my post correctly.... fucking BIG HEAD!

[filghy2]

Yet another thread attacking a genuine supporter of transgirls for their own entertainment, hopefully the site owner will take serious action & stop this horrible section from becoming more poisonous than social media! Lifetime bans would be very welcome thanks.


Have another look & read my post correctly.... fucking BIG HEAD!

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[filghy2]

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[broncofan]

Nobody in this thread has almost 5,000 posts. It's typical that you can't even get trivial facts right.

I suggest you take your above complaint to the administrators, and ask to have us all banned. I'm sure they could do with a good laugh. In view of your posting history they might even give you a special ass hat award. http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?108617-Ass-hat!
He meant me because I've rated about 5,000 posts. But lots of people have and it doesn't take very much time to do. I could point out his discomfort when I told him how to check who rates posts because he had spent weeks following you around downvoting everything you posted and then denying it.

During the elections here he said Trump would be the lesser evil to Hillary. Recently he said he likes that Trump makes people upset. Presumably that means he doesn't mind if they're upset bc they're a member of a minority group Trump has vilified. I'm sure we're never going to get any info from him on what anyone has done that is ban-worthy.

[filghy2]

During the elections here he said Trump would be the lesser evil to Hillary. Recently he said he likes that Trump makes people upset. Presumably that means he doesn't mind if they're upset bc they're a member of a minority group Trump has vilified. I'm sure we're never going to get any info from him on what anyone has done that is ban-worthy.

He once said that he would kill anyone who did anything harmful to transsexuals, but that hasn't stopped him from supporting Trump and Putin (who has an even worse record on TS rights). But we know that the great TS supporter Mr Fanti never says a critical word about the Trump administration, so there's plenty of hypocrisy around.

Among the many examples of Mr Angry's astounding lack of self-awareness is that he accuses others of being obsessed even though he is a constant visitor to this section, notwithstanding his lack of interest in actual discussion. Evidently he has a deep need to have 'enemies' to rant against. I think that's another reason he is attracted to Trump - they have many similar personality traits.

[MrFanti]

Fanti; You're dealing with headcases who would contemplate suicide if they were banned from this forum! I mean, look at that nutcase earlier, rated almost 5,000 posts on here! No wonder the world is a fucking dangerous place!:hide-1:
LoL I've got them all blocked so I really can't see what they say. Guess by you're posts, they're angry.
A shame too because life is too short to sweat the stupid stuff - hence why I blocked them.

But it was intensely funny to see Joanna Jet put some of them in their place!

Enjoy your weekend!

[filghy2]

Posting in a political discussion while blocking anyone who is likely to disagree with you. Interesting concept - does Mr Fanti prefer to post for an audience of one who only cares about who he is arguing against? But I guess we're not losing much given Fanti never actually responds to any substantive point that anyone else makes.

[peejaye]

LoL I've got them all blocked so I really can't see what they say. Guess by you're posts, they're angry.
A shame too because life is too short to sweat the stupid stuff - hence why I blocked them.

But it was intensely funny to see Joanna Jet put some of them in their place!

Enjoy your weekend!

Oh he's blocked. I blocked him when you told me how to do it. He's blocked by at least 5 people I know. If you come on here without logging in you can sometimes see his crap. Don't think I've ever met anything like it before?

Oh; & thanks for making my day Fanti. :cheers::D

[broncofan]

The block button is a construct your own reality choice. In a political discussion it's a pretty cowardly thing to do but perfectly suited to the two who are boasting about using it.

You have one guy who uses the deaths of serious burn victims to detract from the deaths of children torn apart by bullets and another guy who thinks he's left wing but supports cranks and bigots. Good luck to them.

[trish]

Oh he's blocked. I blocked him when you told me how to do it.
The equivalent of holding your ears and screaming to avoid hearing something you disagree with. How childish! What's more idiotic is someone had to teach you how to do it.

[MrFanti]

The equivalent of holding your ears and screaming to avoid hearing something you disagree with. How childish! What's more idiotic is someone had to teach you how to do it.
Ah..you're now resorting to insults when you have nothing else!
Your post explains exactly why I block people - thank you very much for the illustration!

When you lose your cool and resort to insults (like you just did) it becomes a waste of my time.

Ciao!

[fred41]

Ah..you're now resorting to insults when you have nothing else!
Your post explains exactly why I block people - thank you very much for the illustration!

When you lose your cool and resort to insults (like you just did) it becomes a waste of my time.

Ciao!

My advice to you is to stay out of the political section.
There's maybe five or six regular posters here (and the majority, whether I agree or disagree with them, are very good). I've had political and social disagreements with Trish in the past, perhaps going back to when the board was pink . She's never resorted to name calling and (when it comes to her or anyone else who offered an intelligent argument) neither have I. I have to admit - she's probably changed my mind more than I've ever changed hers, but she's NEVER resorted to insults in an intelligent debate.
But there are rules to most debates. You have to directly answer questions. If you can't - then you lose, and should recognize said loss. If you're not prepared to defend your position, then why even engage?
Her answer to Peejaye was spot on.

[broncofan]

My advice to you is to stay out of the political section.

I know this was your response to Fanti but has Peejaye ever offered a considered view or disagreed with anyone civilly? He's threatened to leave a bunch of times because he can't tolerate disagreement.

He and Fanti can do what they want but I'm not sure why they want to discuss politics. Fanti has one play in his playbook and it's to kick the ball in his own goal.

[filghy2]

So what do we have here?

One character who comes here just to post nonsense to stir people up rather than engage in discussion, so that he can then complain sanctimoniously about people responding negatively to him.

Another character who comes here obsessively just to vent excess bile and suck up to any poster who argues against those he has a grudge against for pointing out why he's been wrong.

Ain't some folks weird? You could not make up these characters.

If these two characters are going to block everyone who disagrees with them are we going to see them coming here just to continue their mutual admiration society?

[broncofan]

I want to point out one thing. Mr Fanti thinks using the word idiotic is beyond the pale but has no issue with Peejaye. The same Peejaye who said he wanted people in this thread banned and then in his next post said that some of those would contemplate suicide if banned. That (along with calling someone "fucking bighead") seems a bit worse than describing something as idiotic but Fanti's nothing if not disingenuous.

[fred41]

Haven't posted in a while, but it confounds me when people can't be 100% honest even when they post using an anonymous identity. If you have a political or personal social stance on an issue that you can't 'specifically' defend in a written, rational matter, because it's mostly based on emotions....then say that. Most things aren't black or white...If you have a moral interpretation that's different from someone else - then say that! As long as it isn't "serial killer off the wall" you'll probably have a decent argument if you can at least explain your rationale. But, if you can't even explain your personal rationale...then your stance has no firm roots and perhaps you should re-evaluate it.

[filghy2]

I know this was your response to Fanti but has Peejaye ever offered a considered view or disagreed with anyone civilly? He's threatened to leave a bunch of times because he can't tolerate disagreement.


That (along with calling someone "fucking bighead") seems a bit worse than describing something as idiotic but Fanti's nothing if not disingenuous.

There was actually a time when Peejaye made some attempt to argue the issues. Ironically, I can recall him arguing against Mr Fanti on gun control. He wasn't a Trump supporter in the past either. But now any enemy of his enemies is his friend.

Peejaye arguing for the administrators to crack down on unacceptable behaviour here is like turkeys arguing for early Thanksgiving.

[fred41]

I know this was your response to Fanti but has Peejaye ever offered a considered view or disagreed with anyone civilly? He's threatened to leave a bunch of times because he can't tolerate disagreement.

He and Fanti can do what they want but I'm not sure why they want to discuss politics. Fanti has one play in his playbook and it's to kick the ball in his own goal.

I barely consider Peejaye at all.
He's a dick. If you and anyone else think, at this point in time - based on the assessment of his previous posts, that it's important for him to answer you...or explain himself to you, then that's a shortcoming on your part.
I've said this previously: Let a statement (or a list of statements made) speak for it self
. You don't have to win an argument by beating it into the ground, you just have to make it and let the reader decide.

I hate to say this because I like you guys, but some of you beat shit to death sometimes. You don't always have to go on for pages to win an argument. Again, let the reader decide. The people that you're arguing with, be it Fanti or Peejaye or anyone like them will never say "you're right, I have no answer for that." Doing that requires a self confidence they probably don't possess, so let it go.

[broncofan]

I hate to say this because I like you guys, but some of you beat shit to death sometimes. You don't always have to go on for pages to win an argument.
That's true but some of it is just boredom or compulsiveness. Think back to redvex and her dream of anarchy. There was no winning in the sense of capitulation but the arguments sort of feed themselves. I never feel so logical as when I'm talking to people who say ridiculous things:)

P.S. Filghy, your thanksgiving reference reminded me of an Australian I met who got angry that one of his mates used the word dude. He said he resisted American cultural imperialism and demanded we call him cobber! I'm drinking a xxxx gold to his memory as we speak.

[filghy2]

That's true but some of it is just boredom or compulsiveness. Think back to redvex and her dream of anarchy. There was no winning in the sense of capitulation but the arguments sort of feed themselves. I never feel so logical as when I'm talking to people who say ridiculous things:)

P.S. Filghy, your thanksgiving reference reminded me of an Australian I met who got angry that one of his mates used the word dude. He said he resisted American cultural imperialism and demanded we call him cobber! I'm drinking a xxxx gold to his memory as we speak.

Exactly. It's a form of sport. Just as every good story needs a villain, there is something very satisfying about debunking idiots, even though they will never concede anything. If all the fools and jerks disappeared from this forum I would actually find it a bit bland.

If you come to Australia I suggest you don't call people cobber as it's a term that fell out of use about two generations ago. Mate is the more common term.

[fred41]

That's true but some of it is just boredom or compulsiveness. Think back to redvex and her dream of anarchy. There was no winning in the sense of capitulation but the arguments sort of feed themselves. I never feel so logical as when I'm talking to people who say ridiculous things:)

I know :), I'm just old and "you kids get outta my yard" cranky sometimes...and since I retired I stopped caring about politics so much.
But I still get drawn in sometimes
because we are what we are..lol.

[broncofan]

If you come to Australia I suggest you don't call people cobber as it's a term that fell out of use about two generations ago.
Hilarious. He actually had a list of substitutes for dude and that was the only one I remembered. I've gone to Australia twice; once was a tour from Cairns to Sydney (2005) and once I spent two weeks with some other American friends in Sydney (2007). Not a short flight.

[Laphroaig]

Exactly. It's a form of sport. Just as every good story needs a villain, there is something very satisfying about debunking idiots, even though they will never concede anything. If all the fools and jerks disappeared from this forum I would actually find it a bit bland.



I'm late to the party on this particular argument, so don't really know the full backstory behind it all. Peejaye I remember being a very useful contributor to the escorts section, but politics seems to be his Achilles heel. Never had an issue or argument (that I can remember) with Mrfanti. I'd agree with the above in general though and add in that it's also important to debunk the misinformation and garbage posted by the likes of Westheangelino, bostonbad and holzz, so that readers can be better informed, hopefully make better decisions and not make the same mistakes as a result.

Having a difference of opinion is one thing and nobody is necessarily right or wrong in that case. However, there's no way I'm going to read obvious bullshit and false information without calling someone out on it.

[filghy2]

Having a difference of opinion is one thing and nobody is necessarily right or wrong in that case. However, there's no way I'm going to read obvious bullshit and false information without calling someone out on it.

The main problem with both these characters (and holzz as well) is not so much their misguided opinions, but their reactions to being contradicted. If you are going to participate in discussion then be a man (or woman) about it for chrissake, and don't react spitefully or play the victim when others take issue with you.

Despite what I said, arguing with these two is not very satisfying because they barely make any arguments. It was much more satisfying to argue against people like Redvex and Nick Danger. Their views were hopelessly misguided but at least they made an effort to engage in discussion of the issues rather than turning it into a personalised squabble.

[trish]

I'm late to the party on this particular argument, so don't really know the full backstory behind it all.


There’s not much substance at all to this thread at all, which is why it lay dormant for the better part of a year. Broncofan pretty much summed up its raison d’être in post #13. MrFanti persisted in his attempts to derail an active conversation about the regulation of firearms in a thread devoted to that issue. He wanted (or pretended to want) to discuss instead the dangers of alcohol to public safety. We indulged him for awhile. After all, a legitimate analogy can be made. Both firearms and alcohol are a danger to public health. Both need to be regulated. In the U.S. neither can be outright banned. We tried to with alcohol with a Constitutional Amendment, but repealed it after a decade of disastrous results. Firearms, on the other hand, have been Constitutionally protected since the inception of our nation. Only recently have conservatives expanded the interpretation of the Second Amendment to stymie the protections we had against certain kinds of assault weapons and automatic firearms. But MrFanti didn’t wish to explore the analogy - because it speaks for regulation - not against it. He just wanted to discuss the social banes of alcohol - not firearms.

In the end I made a thread (this thread) where people could talk about the public dangers of alcohol to public health, if they want. (So I’ll say no more about firearms here). As you can see, there were no takers. Apparently MrFanti’s not really interested.


Your post explains exactly why I block people - thank you very much for the illustration!

You’re welcome.


Ah..you're now resorting to insults when you have nothing else!
...
When you lose your cool and resort to insults (like you just did) it becomes a waste of my time.

Ciao!

A careful reading shows I criticized neither you nor Peejaye personally, only your silly, childish actions. Sorry you took offense. Please don’t sulk too long.

[broncofan]

I'm late to the party on this particular argument, so don't really know the full backstory behind it all. Peejaye I remember being a very useful contributor to the escorts section, but politics seems to be his Achilles heel.
If you knew the full story I think you'd sound a bit less neutral. I say that kiddingly but neither one has engaged in discussion in good faith.

Trish summed up Mr. Fanti's behavior well, but he has invaded every thread on U.S. gun control by posting articles of people being killed by the effects of alcohol. He will to paraphrase, then say, "look at you hypocrites. You claim to care about gun deaths but say nothing about alcohol deaths." People will respond by saying, let's discuss them both as public safety issues in which useful regulation for one doesn't preclude regulating the other. Over the years forum posters have responded in a number of useful ways, by pointing out that we attempted to ban alcohol in this country and that we do in fact regulate it pretty strictly (I've brought up dram shop acts that make tavern owners liable for serving drunk people while gun manufacturers have immunity from civil liability).

No matter what anyone says, he keeps posting the same articles and often it becomes clear he hasn't read them. It's now also clear that while early on he didn't respond because he preferred to post the same losing argument, he now doesn't respond because he's blocked everyone who disagrees with him and taught Peejaye to do the same.

Peejaye is someone who posts political views that are sometimes head scratching. That's his right but when someone disagrees with him he becomes belligerent and characterizes them as establishment or far right wing without seeing any irony in it. Sometimes someone won't be responding to him but will simply post something he disagrees with and it will cause him to throw a tantrum and threaten to leave the section. It may be an achilles heel or it may be an inability to discuss things like an adult as filghy said above, which is a bit broader than that.

[filghy2]

Here's the previous exchange between peejaye and Mr Fanti on guns. Fanti hasn't changed but peejaye certainly has.
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?104627-Friends-in-Las-Vegas-please-check-in/page5
On page 8 Mr Fanti started on the alcohol thing and he hasn't stopped since.

You can trace the evolution of peejaye through the Brexit thread. He started off debating the issue in a fairly normal fashion, with just the occasional belligerence. Then around the start of 2018 he suddenly tipped over into personal abuse (mainly at Stavros and me), which eventually got him banned. Since his return he has toned down the abuse in favour of sucking up to people who argue against us - which he's done this with RedVex, Nick Danger, CDSasha and Mr Fanti. This is a perfect example of how some people can become warped by arguing on the internet.