Looks like backpage is off line

[flabbybody]

escorts section just taken down due to SESTA regulations.
Its officially all over folks

[LovinThaTSLadiez]

I just noticed that. lol

[Torquez]

I just checked other pages for non-adult services.They too are gone, maybe it's a glitch or some hacker attack.

[flabbybody]

I just checked other pages for non-adult services.They too are gone, maybe it's a glitch or some hacker attack.
yea, hacker is called the US Congress

[last_stop]

I knew it was just a matter of time. I believe they are still US based so they didn't really stand a chance

I used a uk vpn and the international backpage homepages appear to still be up but none of the links worked

[Torquez]

It's happening:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/blakemontgomery/backpage-service-disruption?utm_term=.ucAoMwzVW&bftwnews#.baJAG4pVd

[Torquez]

FBI seized Backpage

[letmeworkya]

Yep, got what I needed before the shutdown. Looks like the streets will be busy again bro...

[billybob2010]

yea, hacker is called the US Congress

Lmao!


I will copy and paste what I just said in another thread here;

I think many of them will move to Grindr app. I already see some in the "Trans" tribe with profiles saying "Generous man only".

You can choose the "Trans tribe" by clicking on "Filters" in the main Grindr screen, click on "Edit" and you will be able to figure it out from there. Many Trans there, many looking for dates, hookups and a few escorts.

Edit;
I think we should buy some Grindr stocks right now, about to spike up lol

[Cereal Escapist]

If a Grindr or other app doesn't start culling ads that say "generous men only" or something like that, I bet the FBI comes knocking.

Some industrious person will come up with something soon. You can't keep a good ho down.

[billybob2010]

Hmm idk, those Instagram "models" do it all the time. Like they aren't famous or anything, just keeps posting pictures of their bodies and put in their bio, "Contact for bookings" or some shit like that. That is why they don't seem to have a "real" job but are always traveling everywhere, and every pic of them traveling is always of only them, not with family, friends or a partner. Because the person taking the picture is most likely an old Saudi Arabian oil mogul lol.

Proof of what I am talking about google, "TagTheSponser". It is a website of guys tricking those "innocent" instagram models into hiring them as escorts to expose them.

But anyways, escorts can do the same in Grindr, like some have pictures of roses as their profile picture. Or they just write up a normal bio, and when you message them they say "generous only". I think it will be harder for the FBI to crack down on a dating app like Grindr or social media app like Instagram because in any of those websites, escorts will always find a way to try to get clients. If they crack down on those platforms, social media will die lol. Even on facebook there are some escorts that advertises there.

[Cereal Escapist]

Hmm idk, those Instagram "models" do it all the time. Like they aren't famous or anything, just keeps posting pictures of their bodies and put in their bio, "Contact for bookings" or some shit like that. That is why they don't seem to have a "real" job but are always traveling everywhere, and every pic of them traveling is always of only them, not with family, friends or a partner. Because the person taking the picture is most likely an old Saudi Arabian oil mogul lol.

Proof of what I am talking about google, "TagTheSponser". It is a website of guys tricking those "innocent" instagram models into hiring them as escorts to expose them.

But anyways, escorts can do the same in Grindr, like some have pictures of roses as their profile picture. Or they just write up a normal bio, and when you message them they say "generous only". I think it will be harder for the FBI to crack down on a dating app like Grindr or social media app like Instagram because in any of those websites, escorts will always find a way to try to get clients. If they crack down on those platforms, social media will die lol. Even on facebook there are some escorts that advertises there.

oh i agree that there are ways around it but specific word combinations will likely flag a profile. the roses idea sounds like a good one.

[gmercer]

TER just got blocked for the US. I was on the site reading about the recent backpage story, when all of a sudden I clicked on a link and a statement popped up explaining they are blocking the US from accessing the site.

[lifeisfiction]

Hmm idk, those Instagram "models" do it all the time. Like they aren't famous or anything, just keeps posting pictures of their bodies and put in their bio, "Contact for bookings" or some shit like that. That is why they don't seem to have a "real" job but are always traveling everywhere, and every pic of them traveling is always of only them, not with family, friends or a partner. Because the person taking the picture is most likely an old Saudi Arabian oil mogul lol.

Proof of what I am talking about google, "TagTheSponser". It is a website of guys tricking those "innocent" instagram models into hiring them as escorts to expose them.

But anyways, escorts can do the same in Grindr, like some have pictures of roses as their profile picture. Or they just write up a normal bio, and when you message them they say "generous only". I think it will be harder for the FBI to crack down on a dating app like Grindr or social media app like Instagram because in any of those websites, escorts will always find a way to try to get clients. If they crack down on those platforms, social media will die lol. Even on facebook there are some escorts that advertises there.

The owners of the apps can be focused on thanks to the new laws coming. However, this is not Backpage's first tussle with the government and they are probably going to fight it. I am sure they were well aware of the focus the government had on them. TER and Eros is next on the list. The advertisements won't go anywhere, but they won't be centralized as before. Of course unless we all forget, it's election season and certain people will do what ever it takes to keep their position. So, it's going to get worst for a while. So families can go to sleep happily knowing that people are not paying for sex and violent criminals who openly shoot people in public are left in peace.

[Enthusiast]

TER is down, too.

[billybob2010]

oh i agree that there are ways around it but specific word combinations will likely flag a profile. the roses idea sounds like a good one.

There are always ways around word filters in bios like some types of emojis, or just a basic normal bio. They will just reply to anyone that hits them up that they are looking for generous guys only. If the FBI starts cracking down on those platforms, they will literally have to shut down every dating app and social media apps and websites like facebook. They would never do that. They can try to make it harder for escorts on those sites, but they will always find a way. Even by just making a normal bio and replying that they are escorts to the guys hitting them up. If their profile gets banned, they can easily make another one in those type of things. They can just use "google voice" app for fake phone numbers for apps that requires phone numbers like SnapChat. There are always escorts advertising in SnapChat as well. Just got to find out there snaps first, which will now be harder cause of the shutdown on BP and CL.

But I can guarantee that more Trans will definitely start using Grindr now since you can filter for only "Trans" profiles.

Some guy will most likely make another BP type website based from another country anyways lol.

[lifeisfiction]

You can't access TER from the US, but from another country it's absolutely fine. That's all I am going to say on it.

Good news camming will be the new thing very quickly. Sadly the market is going to get overly saturated.

[gmercer]

You can't access TER from the US, but from another country it's absolutely fine. That's all I am going to say on it.

Good news camming will be the new thing very quickly. Sadly the market is going to get overly saturated.

Some cam sites are already cracking down on models that offer "dates." MFC won't allow models to do date raffles anymore. I'm not sure what the situation on CB is right now.

[lifeisfiction]

Some cam sites are already cracking down on models that offer "dates." MFC won't allow models to do date raffles anymore. I'm not sure what the situation on CB is right now.

Unless they monitor private chat and fan meet ups. There is so many ways around it. If it's bad enough the whole site might just shutdown. Still we haven't seen the challenges to the law and while prima facie (on it's face or the just how law is read) it seems fine in actual execution the law will be broad and burdensome to people's rights. The AG and FBI are not winning those cases. They can't depend on Conservatives or Liberals on the courts to save them, not in light of certain legal arguments.

[Nikka]

end of the world

[thomas318]

TER is blocked for us visitors

[Nikka]

this is good for porn , just masturbate at home ..... legally ...

[ed_jaxon]

Nikki we need you to go bone Jeff Sessions and take pictures

[Stavros]

I note that ShemaleCanada maintains its review sections, which extends beyond Canada.

https://tgirlforums.com/yabbse/

[billybob2010]

this is good for porn , just masturbate at home ..... legally ...

Nah lol, can still meet girls in Grindr/Tinder legally. Grindr is easier to meet trans and more discreet as well. Some trans do use Tinder for dates as well though. Many use them for free that are just looking for dates or hookups. Also already seen many that posts in BackPage also posting in Grindr. Many used BP for money and Grindr for dates/hookups for fun. But also a few also used both to try to get new clients. Now I expect many of them to go to Grindr to also discreetly try to get clients there.

I hit up a ts today on Grindr with her profile picture of her and some SnapChat filter, her profile says "Puerto Rican and Colombian mix. Mature". Doesn't have any hint that she is an escort, but when I messaged her she said she was looking for "gen$$" guys only.

Seems like it will be very hard for the feds crack down on dating apps like Grindr and Tinder and also social media apps like SnapChat, FaceBook and Instagram since every escort will just be discreetly advertising on those platforms. IMO they are way too big for the feds to just shut down every single one of them for good since no matter what they do, the escorts will still discreetly use them to find clients. They will literally have to ban every single one of those sites to prevent it. 99% of the people are hooked to those sites, so they won't be happy if that ever happened. Even my grandma has a Facebook.

This is like the "drug war". It is a failure since people can still get them illegally, and anyone that wants to will still get them. Same for prostitution, they will always find a way to find clients. I am positive that the feds will never shut down every single dating and social media sites/apps. They make way too much money, like FB+Instagram are worth billions. That will just be a huge blow to the economy cause of all the investors and sponsors on those platforms and also on SnapChat or any of dating/social media sites. IMO they are too big to fall cause of some escorts using them.

[mtbazz]

this is bullshit.

feels like we taking a giant step backwards

[Torquez]

I will sound like a dumbass but what is TER?

[billybob2010]

this is bullshit.

feels like we taking a giant step backwards

Idk, since it will now be harder for girls to find clients, I bet their service quality will now go up haha. But I don't pay for them anyways.

Seriously I am looking like someone that works for Grindr but I don't lol. Seems like many people doesn't know that you can use filters there to filter only "Trans" if that is what you are into. That way it only shows up the Trans girls profiles, but there will be occasionally some guys there as well that also put their profile in the "Trans Tribe", but you can just block them. If you are good looking enough or have a good personality you can most likely be able to get real dates/hookups with some of them, cause some of them are really only there for that since it is a dating app. Some of them also use it to find new clients. Sometimes you won't find out until you message them and some have it right in their bio that they are only looking for "generous" guys or only dates.

I always delete the app when I am not using it, it deletes all of the chats you had, but you can "Favorite" some profiles so they are always in you Favorites list. If someone messages you after you deleted the app, it will show up as soon as you download it and login to your profile again.

[billybob2010]

I will sound like a dumbass but what is TER?


"The Erotic Review". It is a review website for escorts.

[letmeworkya]

Well one thing's for certain - the Heights in Queens should be on fire tonight.

[tmoose13]

the prude police have taken over. it is amazing how anal the united states is when it comes to sex and sexually related issues

[LI SEAN08]

I could care less that BP and CL are gone. Very rarely did I answer any of their ads. I di however place ads looking for cds and Ts gurls. And was successful many times. So that will suck...... but I couldn't ever bring myself to pay the $$ the hookers asked for. No way JOSE!!! A private joke. I'm sure she reading it!!! LOL
I'm out of NY now anyways.... Doing my thing in the South.....

[jake999]

thats bullshit no way this is actually happening markets gonna shift fast af

[flabbybody]

Well one thing's for certain - the Heights in Queens should be on fire tonight.
a jersey girl I know told me she's going to Suzi's for the first time

[KingLelouch]

it was a great ride... 1067885

[derekmike2]

Well this is depressing

[natina]

There is gonna be a Ton of Evictions in the next few months..

Homeless TG's are gonna be on the rise

[E718]

They might have to get real jobs lol

[florida_raul]

With Backpage politicians needed to make an example and to increase their own popularity.
TS will probably migrate to other international sites that are not run by US company.

[Al Capone]

Looks like a replacement has jut come in, weather it takes off or not

bedpage

[smalltownguy]

With Backpage politicians needed to make an example and to increase their own popularity.
TS will probably migrate to other international sites that are not run by US company.

why not...yes..i suppose ..that's why i love internet...you can move from country to country on easy

[smooth007]

Hope another international based website site gets developed.

[njjohn]

Hope another international based website site gets developed.

Hoping they start using Birchplace.com more, it's UK ads can't be beat. The "Was here hrs/days ago" feature makes it clear if the girl is still in town and of course it has no issue with full nudity.

[Torquez]

Birchplace pretty active at this moment.
Grindr quiet, there are few trans escorts but not anything above usual levels.

[Torquez]

There is a new site called bedpage, but it's slow

[Toadily]

TER is blocked for us visitors

You need to get a VPN, I like Express VPN

[Toadily]

Looks like a replacement has jut come in, weather it takes off or not

bedpage

I hope they add thumbnails for the photos.

[Bobzz]

Setting aside the legitimate rationale of stopping the sexual exploitation of children, does anyone else think the transsexual escort community that advertised so openly on CL and BP are somewhat to blame for bringing down these sites because of how blatant they were about it? Hell, in most major cities on CL, you could get pot delivered to your door, and that never shut down the people who provided the service or CL; you could also find all sorts variants on casual relationships (most without requiring "roses" or some other currency exchange) and you could even on occasion find transgendered women who were actually looking for a relationship. Craigslist shut down the adult services section and like almost overnight, the casual relationship T4M category literally exploded with T-gal escort ads (you'd be hard pressed to find a T4M ad that wasn't "pay for play").

To make matters worse, some providers posted 3, 4 or more times per day. As a hobbyist, even I thought some of this was over the top. Backpage tried to stem the problem by limiting text content in the ads but that literally removed any plausible argument as to why someone was posting in the "T" personals. From an LE point of view, I gotta think that shit was like flipping LE the finger; how could anyone be surprised that this would have happened? The real question is where the T escort community going to advertise now? AFF and other adult dating sites? If they do, they also run the risk of giving the cretins who voted for SESTA / FOSTA right to shut down legitimate dating sites because now the U.S. government can prosecute websites and those that operate them criminally for posts made by users. Welcome to our nightmare.

[BostonBad]

How am I gonna get my ballmilk? Eros is next I bet

We gonna have to work dating sites and social media now?

[last_stop]

Setting aside the legitimate rationale of stopping the sexual exploitation of children, does anyone else think the transsexual escort community that advertised so openly on CL and BP are somewhat to blame for bringing down these sites because of how blatant they were about it? Hell, in most major cities on CL, you could get pot delivered to your door, and that never shut down the people who provided the service or CL; you could also find all sorts variants on casual relationships (most without requiring "roses" or some other currency exchange) and you could even on occasion find transgendered women who were actually looking for a relationship. Craigslist shut down the adult services section and like almost overnight, the casual relationship T4M category literally exploded with T-gal escort ads (you'd be hard pressed to find a T4M ad that wasn't "pay for play").

To make matters worse, some providers posted 3, 4 or more times per day. As a hobbyist, even I thought some of this was over the top. Backpage tried to stem the problem by limiting text content in the ads but that literally removed any plausible argument as to why someone was posting in the "T" personals. From an LE point of view, I gotta think that shit was like flipping LE the finger; how could anyone be surprised that this would have happened? The real question is where the T escort community going to advertise now? AFF and other adult dating sites? If they do, they also run the risk of giving the cretins who voted for SESTA / FOSTA right to shut down legitimate dating sites because now the U.S. government can prosecute websites and those that operate them criminally for posts made by users. Welcome to our nightmare.

I understand your point but the deliberate conflation of child trafficking and consensual sex work is anything but legitimate. Unfortunately the intellectually dishonest arguments have won out and those who oppose nonsense legislation like SESTA/FOSTA are painted as immoral degenerates and child trafficking enablers. It's the same tactic the pro-life religious nuts used for eons to demonize pro-choice "baby killers". Also I don't think transgender women were any more blatant in advertising than female escorts on CL/Backpage; The "BUT THE CHILDREN!!!" argument is what made this pass with virtually no political opposition. Children are political pawns for both the left and the right.

I know how profitable DC is for escorts and I really hope providers start exposing these hypocritical assholes.

[gaysian71]

They need to change the name of the bill from SESTA to just SES.

[gaysian71]

Setting aside the legitimate rationale of stopping the sexual exploitation of children.

This is where you and everyone else both liberal and conservative get totally derailed. There is absolutely no legitimacy of stopping the sexual exploitation of children. None whatsoever. Our lawmakers that you all voted for have found a loophole in the system. If you write up a bill in the name of protecting children, it will pass. It's currently being done with other things like vaping and gun control. If it's done out of the guise of saving children, it will win every single time.

Stay tuned for more rights being stepped on in the name of children.

Now, I don't mean to sound rude or anything, but fuck the children. That's a parents job. They just need to learn to do their job. Raising children takes much more work than buying an Xbox and putting the controller in a child's hands. Just sayin.

[collector171]

The takedown of BP didn't involve SESTA/FOSTA, its been going on for months. SESTA/FOSTA suck because it can look at past behavior once its signed

[Nikka]

I guess sluts back on the streets

[alcoolsrimbood]

back to the skreets...but skreet prices are much better.....

[flabbybody]

I understand your point but the deliberate conflation of child trafficking and consensual sex work is anything but legitimate. Unfortunately the intellectually dishonest arguments have won out and those who oppose nonsense legislation like SESTA/FOSTA are painted as immoral degenerates and child trafficking enablers. It's the same tactic the pro-life religious nuts used for eons to demonize pro-choice "baby killers". Also I don't think transgender women were any more blatant in advertising than female escorts on CL/Backpage; The "BUT THE CHILDREN!!!" argument is what made this pass with virtually no political opposition. Children are political pawns for both the left and the right.

I know how profitable DC is for escorts and I really hope providers start exposing these hypocritical assholes.
BUT THE CHILDREN
LOL so true last_stop.
How can I call my senator (cunt Kristen Gillerbrand) to complain about her SESTA support without sounding like a sceeve?
”excuse me madam, your new law is disingenuous and dishonest. It doesn’t help kids caught up in sex trafficking, it actually makes their lot more dangerous. And by the way, I’d like to suck my favorite trans girl’s dick but there’s no more internet sites to find her on”
we’re basically fucked.

[Lovecox]

Whew! I'm glad I saved all those numbers!

[Stavros]

Now, I don't mean to sound rude or anything, but fuck the children. That's a parents job. They just need to learn to do their job. Raising children takes much more work than buying an Xbox and putting the controller in a child's hands. Just sayin.

A few points: the most vulnerable children who have been trafficked either have no parents and have been in foster care or care homes, or live in dysfunctional homes where it may even be the parent/parents selling their children for money, to support a drug habit, desperation or whatever.

I don't know if the arrested owners of Backpage and Craigslist are going to fight their cases in court, but the allegation that 'codes' were used in ads that indicated customers could purchase an underage person for sexual purposes seems to me, as the key element in the legal case, to need proof beyond doubt, but I assume legally, a knowledge on the part of the owners of the sites that this was happening. Even if they turned a 'blind eye' to people selling dope -which in the case of hash is now legal in some states anyway- I doubt they would have knowingly allowed ads that offered underage sex. If they did then they are plain stupid.

Lastly, is it not ironic that Congress appears to be going 'Puritan' -a revival of the Hays Code of 1928 may not be far behind- at the very moment the White House is occupied by a man with no morals at all, a sleazy, dirty old man with the literacy of a 2 year old and an insatiable need to transfer dollars from working Americans into his own pocket-? One wonders how many hookers have entertained this creep in his lonely bedroom in the White House. One thing is for sure, he didn't use Backpage or Craigslist.

[slave2u]

BUT THE CHILDREN
LOL so true last_stop.
How can I call my senator (cunt Kristen Gillerbrand) to complain about her SESTA support without sounding like a sceeve?
”excuse me madam, your new law is disingenuous and dishonest. It doesn’t help kids caught up in sex trafficking, it actually makes their lot more dangerous. And by the way, I’d like to suck my favorite trans girl’s dick but there’s no more internet sites to find her on”
we’re basically fucked.

maybe change it to 'perform oral' and i think you can make a case.
even worse for us in the uk - being messed about by american laws.

[johncock0]

Protecting schools isn't a priority and DeVos in power, I don't see how that's really protecting children!

[CaptainPlanet]

I figured more girls would go the Eros route, but I guess time will tell.

[letmeworkya]

I figured more girls would go the Eros route, but I guess time will tell.

Yep bro. The bottom line is that these gurls are pretty resourceful. They'll find other escorts advertising sites in the net. Plus there's the trans parties that may probably get more gurls hitting those to reach out to frustrated potential clients who relied on BP & CL in the past.

[NEW YORK STATE OF MIND]

Well one thing's for certain - the Heights in Queens should be on fire tonight.

Whats good with Roosevelt these days? Is Club Evolution the spot now for TS?

[alcoolsrimbood]

skreets are gonna be hot...the 30-40-60-80$$ hustles......I didn't dabble too much with the backpage-"movers and shakers"...overpriced for the quality of services and lots of fake ass pics..id rather hit the stroll and see what I'm getting before I put my roses in the vase....lol

[parts25]

Who cares. It was mostly hustling crack hos using fake pictures any way. Not to mention all the robbery set ups.

[drongo]

Craigslist is going to get a workout now. Could be time to buy Cl stocks...

[natina]

Craigslist personals is gone too along with cityvibe,back page,southern escorts, reddit ,TER and more.....


CL
about >

FOSTA



US Congress just passed HR 1865, "FOSTA", seeking to subject websites to criminal and civil liability when third parties (users) misuse online personals unlawfully.

Any tool or service can be misused. We can't take such risk without jeopardizing all our other services, so we are regretfully taking craigslist personals offline. Hopefully we can bring them back some day.

To the millions of spouses, partners, and couples who met through craigslist, we wish you every happiness!

.
Notice to TER Members in the U.S.
(Please note that users outside of the U.S. will still have full access to the site.)

Notice FAQs
The U.S. Congress has passed the Stop Enabling Sex-Trafficking Act (SESTA, also known as The Allow States and Victims to Fight Online Sex Trafficking Act or FOSTA). SESTA amends Section 230 of the 1996 Communications Decency Act, a federal law which has served as the bedrock of protection for online publishers – from Facebook, Yelp, Reddit and Twitter to The Erotic Review – from being held liable for user’s posts on their sites. Under SESTA / FOSTA, the U.S. government can prosecute websites and those that operate them criminally for posts made by users.

As a result of this new law, TER has made the difficult decision to block access to the website from the United States until such time as the courts have enjoined enforcement of the law, the law has been repealed or amended, or TER has found a way to sufficiently address any legal concerns created by the new law. TER is not alone in responding to this threat to your First Amendment Rights: Craigslist has pulled all of its Personal Ads, Reddit has closed a number of Subreddits and sites such as CityVibe and Men4RentNow have gone completely dark. Other websites have taken or are expected to take similar actions.

TER will suspend recurring billing for all U.S. monthly subscribers as well as provide a credit to all other U.S. subscribers equal to the period TER remains blocked to U.S. users.

We sincerely apologize for any inconvenience, but do not believe that TER has any other choice as long as the law remains in effect. We hope to see you soon! If you have any questions please contact


There is gonna be a Ton of Evictions in the next few months..

Homeless TG's are gonna be on the rise

[Bobzz]

I understand your point but the deliberate conflation of child trafficking and consensual sex work is anything but legitimate. Unfortunately the intellectually dishonest arguments have won out and those who oppose nonsense legislation like SESTA/FOSTA are painted as immoral degenerates and child trafficking enablers. It's the same tactic the pro-life religious nuts used for eons to demonize pro-choice "baby killers". Also I don't think transgender women were any more blatant in advertising than female escorts on CL/Backpage; The "BUT THE CHILDREN!!!" argument is what made this pass with virtually no political opposition. Children are political pawns for both the left and the right.

I know how profitable DC is for escorts and I really hope providers start exposing these hypocritical assholes.

I totally agree with your points. Perhaps, I gave the "legitimate rationale" too much credence or should have preferenced it with "laughably plausible legitimate rationale". The intentional and misleading conflation of child sex exploitation and consensual adult sex is the most troubling aspect of SESTA / FOSTA because it is a slippery slope that could reach far further than our hypocritical legislators could have imagined. It will start to impact legitimate web based sites like dating and swinger sites.

I'm not sure that the female escorts on CL were as much to "blame" as the TG escorts, not because they were any less blatant but simply because hetero-normative prostitution has more or less always been around and to a large degree it's accepted, if not acceptable. The fact that TG prostitution is considered by many to fall outside of the perceived hetero-normative construct and the degree to which is was so over the top on CL, I think made it simply an easier target and a more convenient scapegoat. Another poster commented on the crack-hos and the robbery set ups which you also rarely heard about on the female escort side of things (not saying it didn't happen, it just didn't seem to make the press). So to some degree, I think that TG escort community was specifically targeted in this legislation.

Yeah, I agree, I hope escorts of all varieties start to expose these hypocritical assholes.

[daveinsarasota]

Tampa is crawling....Nebraska Ave and Busch BLVD.....just like old times. St. Pete, just across the bay is also back. 34th and 35th street...like a candy store.

This is, yet another, of the UNINTENDED consequences of actions enforced by the "do-gooders"....also, expect a huge uptick in areas near cheap motels....talk about a honey hole...

[johncock0]

I totally agree with your points. Perhaps, I gave the "legitimate rationale" too much credence or should have preferenced it with "laughably plausible legitimate rationale". The intentional and misleading conflation of child sex exploitation and consensual adult sex is the most troubling aspect of SESTA / FOSTA because it is a slippery slope that could reach far further than our hypocritical legislators could have imagined. It will start to impact legitimate web based sites like dating and swinger sites.

I'm not sure that the female escorts on CL were as much to "blame" as the TG escorts, not because they were any less blatant but simply because hetero-normative prostitution has more or less always been around and to a large degree it's accepted, if not acceptable. The fact that TG prostitution is considered by many to fall outside of the perceived hetero-normative construct and the degree to which is was so over the top on CL, I think made it simply an easier target and a more convenient scapegoat. Another poster commented on the crack-hos and the robbery set ups which you also rarely heard about on the female escort side of things (not saying it didn't happen, it just didn't seem to make the press). So to some degree, I think that TG escort community was specifically targeted in this legislation.

Yeah, I agree, I hope escorts of all varieties start to expose these hypocritical assholes.

I disagree you. I think your too narrow-minded on the way you view TG's and GG's. If you been following the media I have seen cases where even a father posted a CL post for his 4 year old daughter and pedos even a celebrity getting caught. Also, Eros got raided not because of TS's but because supposedly in a female escort forum stated that she got info from reliable source who worked in Eros because there was young under-age immigrant women working for agencies. There been cases that have nothing to do TS. Maybe get out a bit and look at other news outlets besides TS news lol However, maybe I'm wrong but would you mind sharing articles that back up your opinion ?

[NEW YORK STATE OF MIND]

Craigslist is going to get a workout now. Could be time to buy Cl stocks...

CL took down all personals. It's a wrap.

[flabbybody]

Whats good with Roosevelt these days? Is Club Evolution the spot now for TS?
Club Evolution is a Latin gay club and very iffy for trans hookups on any given night. and you need to speak Spanish otherwise you won’t want to be there.
Rosey stroll will get busy with warmer temps arriving. But then the Nazi community board starts whining to Mayor’s office about prostitution and NYPD descends onto hood like water bugs. Let’s see what happens...should be interesting

[Stavros]

Club Evolution is a Latin gay club and very iffy for trans hookups on any given night. and you need to speak Spanish otherwise you won’t want to be there.
Rosey stroll will get busy with warmer temps arriving. But then the Nazi community board starts whining to Mayor’s office about prostitution and NYPD descends onto hood like water bugs. Let’s see what happens...should be interesting

Is there any scope for somewhere like NYC for a revival of 'nice places' like the Silver Swan of yesteryear? On the one hand most of the younger girls (ie under 35) would not these days go to a transgender themed club, but if it is a matter of (discreet) trade, maybe they will change their minds? And it would be safer than the streets, like Diva's in San Francisco. But maybe also some men don't want to be seen pursuing their private interests in public? And would LE be milling around waiting for an offer?

[E718]

Evolution is hit or miss, Sometimes you can get 20 TS chicks in there other nights there are not any, just a bunch of gay latin men lol. There is no set way to tell its all a crapshoot. The streets over there are risky, if they catch you in your car the cops will in pound your car, if you walk around on foot you are just getting head of having sex in the back of someones alleyway. and is also risky from being busted by the police.

[NEW YORK STATE OF MIND]

Club Evolution is a Latin gay club and very iffy for trans hookups on any given night. and you need to speak Spanish otherwise you won’t want to be there.
Rosey stroll will get busy with warmer temps arriving. But then the Nazi community board starts whining to Mayor’s office about prostitution and NYPD descends onto hood like water bugs. Let’s see what happens...should be interesting
So basically, Club Evolution is still not a suitable replacement for Luchos, huh. I'm surprised that we still don't have a "new Luchos" to go to on Roosevelt. Sad times.

[flabbybody]

Evolution is hit or miss, Sometimes you can get 20 TS chicks in there other nights there are not any, just a bunch of gay latin men lol. There is no set way to tell its all a crapshoot. The streets over there are risky, if they catch you in your car the cops will in pound your car, if you walk around on foot you are just getting head of having sex in the back of someones alleyway. and is also risky from being busted by the police.
best strategy is to park vehicle a good ways off rosey and hike it.
They can’t arrest you for walking and chatting on the street. They will hassle you for loitering so make your choice of girl quickly and don’t haggle over price (it’ll be plenty reasonable) Don’t hang out too long, and if an officer asks you what you’re up to stay calm and courteous. Believe me, they didn’t sign up for this shit at the academy.

[Paladin]

The owners of the apps can be focused on thanks to the new laws coming. However, this is not Backpage's first tussle with the government and they are probably going to fight it. I am sure they were well aware of the focus the government had on them. TER and Eros is next on the list. The advertisements won't go anywhere, but they won't be centralized as before. Of course unless we all forget, it's election season and certain people will do what ever it takes to keep their position. So, it's going to get worst for a while. So families can go to sleep happily knowing that people are not paying for sex and violent criminals who openly shoot people in public are left in peace.

You mean the illegal immigrants in CA that murder and are set free???

[Paladin]

I guess sluts back on the streets

I've always liked your posts, Nikka.

[Paladin]

I figured more girls would go the Eros route, but I guess time will tell.

Eros is probably on borrowed time at least for US access...

[adeep888]

https://www.tsescorts.com/massachusetts/boston/shemale-escorts

this website I've been seeing advertised a lot on Tumblr from different TS' saying its the new spot to find them. I noticed all the same girls were posted here that were on backpage, it seems all recent.

[Murmdrum]

glad to see that girl in the video isn't full of herself lol

[natina]

https://doublelist.com/view/los_angeles/ct4m/

[JPeterson]

While I think politicians need to get out of the bedrooms of consenting adult's and whether they want to exchange money for services rendered,Backpage was a neferious site.

People should read some of the reports on Backpage

The terms that Backpage has automatically deleted from ads before publication include “lolita,” “teenage,” “rape,” “young,” “amber alert,” “little girl,” “teen,” “fresh,”, “innocent,” and “school girl.” When a user submitted an adult ad containing one of these “stripped” words, Backpage’s Strip Term From Ad filter would immediately delete the discrete word and the remainder of the ad would be published. While the Strip Term From Ad filter changed nothing about the true nature of the advertised. They knew full well what was being advertised and actually cleaned up the ads so they could pretend they didn’t know and posted them anyway.When you help cover up Sex Trafficking minors (while profiting off that activity), don’t be surprised when you become a target.

[natina]

Older ,wrinkly,flaccid,creepy skin and jealius women politicians had competition with young toned pretty escorts.a women Scorn.

This new law Conflates minor sex trafficking with consensual adults

[lifeisfiction]

This opinion article in the Washington Post pretty much outlines a lot of the problems with these new laws. https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2018/04/10/if-backpages-shutdown-is-a-win-for-sex-workers-why-are-sex-workers-so-mad-about-it/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.521e803bbc90

[Toadily]

Did the erotic review get shut down too? The ads are down even if you are not in the US.

[Looking 4 Now]

So basically, Club Evolution is still not a suitable replacement for Luchos, huh. I'm surprised that we still don't have a "new Luchos" to go to on Roosevelt. Sad times.

Am sure a new Luchos will emerge soon. btw there are plenty of gg hookers in the old
Luchos. There is a new place down the block form the old luchos am going to check
it out this weekend. This should be a great weekend with the warm forecast
Beware......the police are well aware of what's going on and were out in full force last
weekend. Like flabby says don't even think of cruzzing, park the car and walk

[goatman]

Older ,wrinkly,flaccid,creepy skin and jealius women politicians had competition with young toned pretty escorts.a women Scorn.

This new law Conflates minor sex trafficking with consensual adults

Well my observation is there are TWO TYPES of women threatened by the "Courtesan Class": WIVES and MISSTRESSES. Neither like have multiple options on the playing field! That being said, the lady politicians are making this a "humanitarian"(read: "morals") issues. Consenting adults get thrown under the bus because "you're NOT supposed to...,anyway!"

[grwestma413]

Tampa is crawling....Nebraska Ave and Busch BLVD.....just like old times. St. Pete, just across the bay is also back. 34th and 35th street...like a candy store.

This is, yet another, of the UNINTENDED consequences of actions enforced by the "do-gooders"....also, expect a huge uptick in areas near cheap motels....talk about a honey hole...


I used to live down there and you could always find them on those streets. Now it must be insane.

[grwestma413]

Computer scientist here. Download a VPN service. You can make yourself look like you are in another country. You'll at least have access to international portions of sites. Im sure someone ingenious will come up with something in no time.

[johncock0]

Tampa is crawling....Nebraska Ave and Busch BLVD.....just like old times. St. Pete, just across the bay is also back. 34th and 35th street...like a candy store.

This is, yet another, of the UNINTENDED consequences of actions enforced by the "do-gooders"....also, expect a huge uptick in areas near cheap motels....talk about a honey hole...

I assume those girls that really depended on backpage took the streets as a replacement! Eros girls I find that they tend to prefer to cater to a different caliber of clientele from what I observed.

[filghy2]

Computer scientist here. Download a VPN service. You can make yourself look like you are in another country. You'll at least have access to international portions of sites. Im sure someone ingenious will come up with something in no time.

Backpage's foreign sites have also gone - presumably they were also on the US server. I don't think there is any problem with people accessing foreign sites. The problem is that everyone became dependent on Backpage as a convenient one-stop shop. There are alternative non-US sites, and others may emerge, but probably no single site will dominate in the way that Backpage did.

[NYLiveli]

Tampa is crawling....Nebraska Ave and Busch BLVD.....just like old times. St. Pete, just across the bay is also back. 34th and 35th street...like a candy store.

This is, yet another, of the UNINTENDED consequences of actions enforced by the "do-gooders"....also, expect a huge uptick in areas near cheap motels....talk about a honey hole...

This is just the beginnig, this spring and summer in all major cities trans girls will be out in the street. They have to eat like everyone else and maintain a lifestyle. Downtown New York is going to be insane this summer down by Christopher street.

Im already planning the hotels downtown were I'll be staying. The good old days will be back of picking your candy up front and personal.

[KelliBlueEyes]

This is just the beginnig, this spring and summer in all major cities trans girls will be out in the street. They have to eat like everyone else and maintain a lifestyle. Downtown New York is going to be insane this summer down by Christopher street.

Im already planning the hotels downtown were I'll be staying. The good old days will be back of picking your candy up front and personal.

IDK the girls I know and I are doing even better without BP, less fakes and posers scaring off clients I guess.

[CoolAwesomeBXDude]

IDK the girls I know and I are doing even better without BP, less fakes and posers scaring off clients I guess.

Congratulations. :claps:rock2:Bowdown::Bowdown::Bowdown:

[sirrobin]

well, glad i saved some numbers and keep in touch with friends that i have made.

[Toadily]

Taking the backpage away from the girls just drove them to the street. Drove by today in Las Vegas by the Las Vegas Lounge around 11 am and there must have been 10 girls working the street on the west side of the building, they were in 3 separate groups, not bad looking either, mostly black girls and a few Spanish, one might have been a Pacific Islander, I do not like picking street girls up but without backpage there are more out there.
Going to see how the night is

[nysprod]

It kills me that Craig's is gone because it was a great way to hook up. Met numerous tg's and cd's on there.

Escorts have their place but for me they got boring because there's no sport in it. Kinda like hunting a deer with an AR-15. Plus, it's also a challenge for me being that I'm an older guy.

Still have grindr and that can be good, although there are more and more scorts there everyday.

[Murmdrum]

what sucks about craigslist as well is they took the therapeutic massage section down as well....not every add on there was a jack shack in disguise

[flabbybody]

bedpage appears to be on its last leg. I no longer see photos with the ad links.
It seems as if the backpage replacement sites are slowly but surely coming offline.

[Toadily]

I would like to know how much of the TS escorts are being hurt financially and are now taking less safe ways of meeting customers. Like working the streets or shady bars. I knew a girl that when I would be hanging out with her the phone would not stop, if she was just going to hang out and not go hustle she would pull her ads down and the phone would still blow up. How much has business been down, there are still some sites up for now like EROS, TSEscort and escortbabylon but non have the popularity yet.

[Nikka]

bedpage IS backpage, today (or maybe yesterday) they deleted old urls and now is called "backpage-links" and is old bp database on bedpage

[Toadily]

bedpage IS backpage, today (or maybe yesterday) they deleted old urls and now is called "backpage-links" and is old bp database on bedpage

That was quick, the site is already removed

[gaysian71]

what sucks about craigslist as well is they took the therapeutic massage section down as well....not every add on there was a jack shack in disguise

That's probably where most of the human trafficking was done. If you've ever been to one of those so called Grand Openings for an Asian massage parlor, you've seen it. Most if not all of the girls are right off the boat. I have no proof, but I'm pretty sure some chinaman paid for these girls to come here and work to pay off the expenses to get them here. Oh, and then there is the interest on the loan to get them here. That debt is endless and will never be able to pay off.

Sounds like human trafficking to me. The only problem is that law enforcement never did anything about it. They just let it happen right under their noses. So our lawmakers pass a bill that makes all the online websites shut down listing these places. The girls and massage parlors are still there. People still go there and get happy endings or sex. The human trafficking continues and out law makers get to take all the credit for stopping human trafficking.

What a joke. Oh, and underage little girls are still getting fucked just as much as ever, you just won't see it online much anymore. So I guess if you just sweep a problem under the rug, that means it's been solved. Woo hoo.

[TSLoverIB]

Maybe its time to create appeal some of this FOSTA act. Only sites to survive will be big sites, tell me escorts are not on facebook or twitter. Technically if they can be found on search engine, why are they not liable?

[dakota87]

That was quick, the site is already removed


I just checked out bedpage and it was working. I don’t see pics offered though. Only a few of the backpage girls had posted. I just like looking at the pictures mostly and being entertained by the ads and videos which is not to say I never met any of the girls who posted ads. My pastime of perusing ts personals has been going on for about 10 years. In that time I’ve only met 5,6 girls but they were really great, interesting people. There are 3 I still keep in touch with and one has passed away in a car wreck I heard but never confirmed.

I looked forward to reading the ads daily and am miffed they’re gone. Human trafficking isn’t cool though and I understand the reasoning but I think they’re using flawed logic. Like others have posted I believe that it’ll be now harder to catch the perpetrators of such crimes. There are most times unintended consequences of government actions. Prohibition is a prime example.

Doublelist.com is mildly entertaining. Some girls are posting in the M4T as T4M because the actual t4m section is closed for “illegal postings” and is being worked on in order to bring “new features” .

[TSLoverIB]

I just checked out bedpage and it was working. I don’t see pics offered though. Only a few of the backpage girls had posted. I just like looking at the pictures mostly and being entertained by the ads and videos which is not to say I never met any of the girls who posted ads. My pastime of perusing ts personals has been going on for about 10 years. In that time I’ve only met 5,6 girls but they were really great, interesting people. There are 3 I still keep in touch with and one has passed away in a car wreck I heard but never confirmed.

I looked forward to reading the ads daily and am miffed they’re gone. Human trafficking isn’t cool though and I understand the reasoning but I think they’re using flawed logic. Like others have posted I believe that it’ll be now harder to catch the perpetrators of such crimes. There are most times unintended consequences of government actions. Prohibition is a prime example.

Doublelist.com is mildly entertaining. Some girls are posting in the M4T as T4M because the actual t4m section is closed for “illegal postings” and is being worked on in order to bring “new features” .

I agree with you dakota
I liked looking at craigslist , the pictures, see which girls i liked.
Been checking doublelist daily, T4M is always down, same message illegal as you said.
I am looking around

[gaysian71]

Maybe its time to create appeal some of this FOSTA act. Only sites to survive will be big sites, tell me escorts are not on facebook or twitter. Technically if they can be found on search engine, why are they not liable?

Maybe it's time for new lawmakers.

[flabbybody]

Maybe its time to create appeal some of this FOSTA act. Only sites to survive will be big sites, tell me escorts are not on facebook or twitter. Technically if they can be found on search engine, why are they not liable?
Because Facebook donates hundreds of millions to both Democrats and Republicans. The big sites will never be touched by this legislation so let’s not be naive as to how our political process works

[KelliBlueEyes]

Because Facebook donates hundreds of millions to both Democrats and Republicans. The big sites will never be touched by this legislation so let’s not be naive as to how our political process works

Looks like a lot of people are using Switter for ads, reviews, etc.
http://switter.at

[TSLoverIB]

Because Facebook donates hundreds of millions to both Democrats and Republicans. The big sites will never be touched by this legislation so let’s not be naive as to how our political process works

Yes, which is bullshit, i am certain the defense teams if prosecuted by the government for small sites will most certain use this as a defense.

Looks like the Government is really cracking down, bedpage went from hundreds of ads, to under 20 in orlando.
Under trans gender now says
Disclaimerbedpage.com (https://www.bedpage.com/) was started to provide businesses with legitimate services a safe venue for their classified ads. However, there are certain individuals who are promoting illegal activities.bedpage.com (https://www.bedpage.com/) will not condone any classified ads relating to human trafficking and will prosecute those promoting such ads to the full extent of the law. Any ad and business found to be in violation of our Terms and Conditions will be reported to the proper authorities.
I have read and agree to this disclaimer as well as the Terms of Use (https://www.bedpage.com/TermsOfUse).

[KelliBlueEyes]

This post is not for the sick and twisted individuals happy and gloating about girls being “back on the street” or otherwise IN DANGER because of the demise of Backpage.

This post is for the real gents who appreciate a great experience with a wonderful girl.

It’s been 3 weeks since Backpage shut down, Craigslist personals is gone, hungangels Escort forum is gone, eccie shut down.
Some girls are doing fine, and some apparently aren’t.
Probably the best thing you can do to support the industry is to call up your ATF and make an appointment. Later, when things straighten out as they ultimately will, she’ll remember you as someone who was there for her in times of trouble.

[dakota87]

This post is not for the sick and twisted individuals happy and gloating about girls being “back on the street” or otherwise IN DANGER because of the demise of Backpage.

This post is for the real gents who appreciate a great experience with a wonderful girl.

It’s been 3 weeks since Backpage shut down, Craigslist personals is gone, hungangels Escort forum is gone, eccie shut down.
Some girls are doing fine, and some apparently aren’t.
Probably the best thing you can do to support the industry is to call up your ATF and make an appointment. Later, when things straighten out as they ultimately will, she’ll remember you as someone who was there for her in times of trouble.
I wholeheartedly agree

[DGinmass]

My regular go to girl from Atlanta texted me two weeks ago to tell me she would be in my town for a few days.

Set ip an appointment, saw her no problem, said she was keeping the numbers of her regular clients like myself and would text or call me from now on whenever she’s in town. Also gave me her personal cell phone number, so now I have two ways of staying in communication with her.

for someone like myself, these recent developments have not adversely affected me, and at least Eros is still up for the time being.

[chi73inla]

This is really a bad situation. The lower end girls from backpage are no longer accountable because of the lack of reviews. I saw a $100 prostitute in Santa Ana the other day and she was listless, because she knew there was no threat of an honest review. It is no different than the new lack of environmental and banking regulations from the government. Companies can do whatever they want without fear of reprisal.

[Queens Guy]

at least Eros is still up for the time being.

Look like EROS.COM is down, too.

[Nikka]

Look like EROS.COM is down, too.

it´s working

[TSLoverIB]

I am looking for a reliable casual encounters sight that isn't fake as shit money hungry.

[johncock0]

This is really a bad situation. The lower end girls from backpage are no longer accountable because of the lack of reviews. I saw a $100 prostitute in Santa Ana the other day and she was listless, because she knew there was no threat of an honest review. It is no different than the new lack of environmental and banking regulations from the government. Companies can do whatever they want without fear of reprisal.

I was in Santa Ana last week and haven't heard or seen trans-street working prostitutes working a certain corner.

[tslvrnyc]

utopiaguide now redirects to a spam site.

[CoolAwesomeBXDude]

utopiaguide now redirects to a spam site.

Good. Fuck them.

[stan.smith]

anyone find a good alternative yet? bedpage seems the most reliable one but still isn't as popping as backpage was. im kinda itching to see some1 lol... although seems like its hard on the girls too ive received a few texts from girls i havent seen in ages saying they'll do a session for cheap. guess things arent just the same anymore.

[BostonBad]

Harder and harder to find a ballmilk buddy

[That_guy]

Can you guys believe these bitches still demanding $200-$300? You'd think they'd humble themselves after the demise of BP & CL.. Smdh.. Ho you better STFU & take this $100..

[CaptainPlanet]

Can you guys believe these bitches still demanding $200-$300? You'd think they'd humble themselves after the demise of BP & CL.. Smdh.. Ho you better STFU & take this $100..

imagine paying 3000$ in expenses a month with 100$ a client.

[chi73inla]

$100 doesn't buy you much anymore with a cross dresser. I've been forced to rely on older, genetic female prostitutes to keep expenses down. The death of backpage has caused a shakeout in the industry, but prices seem to be going up-- not down.

[johncock0]

Can you guys believe these bitches still demanding $200-$300? You'd think they'd humble themselves after the demise of BP & CL.. Smdh.. Ho you better STFU & take this $100..

From what I see girls who only advertise on Eros didn't get affected by these websites shutting down. If they have established themselves and are used to a certain rate/s why should they cater to the lower-end of clients that are just migrating from backpage ? At the end of the day it's their business as any business has the right to dictate their rates. Just because they are TS's doesn't mean they= cheap.

Seems like the ones who got affected by this and troubled is the girls and guys who relied solely on those sites.

[CoolAwesomeBXDude]

Can you guys believe these bitches still demanding $200-$300? You'd think they'd humble themselves after the demise of BP & CL.. Smdh.. Ho you better STFU & take this $100..

I'm with you 20%. The other 80% decided to hang up its boots and retire.

[filghy2]

$100 doesn't buy you much anymore with a cross dresser. I've been forced to rely on older, genetic female prostitutes to keep expenses down. The death of backpage has caused a shakeout in the industry, but prices seem to be going up-- not down.

Demand and supply. If some escorts drop out but demand is the same then prices will go up. Most likely there is a drop in both demand and supply (at least temporarily), as both clients and escorts find it harder. What happens to prices depends on which falls more.

[artie]

Is the old Luchos now a straight bar? And if so, any feedback on the quality of the gg's?

Assuming the "new place" didn't pan out - man Lucho's used to be a good time!


Am sure a new Luchos will emerge soon. btw there are plenty of gg hookers in the old
Luchos. There is a new place down the block form the old luchos am going to check
it out this weekend. This should be a great weekend with the warm forecast
Beware......the police are well aware of what's going on and were out in full force last
weekend. Like flabby says don't even think of cruzzing, park the car and walk

[Depasqu5884]

Well one thing's for certain - the Heights in Queens should be on fire tonight.

L-O-L. I just saw this today. Funny as hell.

[thombergeron]

Today in no-shit-sherlock:

The Scanner: Sex workers returned to SF streets after Backpage.com shut down (https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/The-Scanner-Sex-workers-returned-to-SF-streets-13304257.php)


Reported crimes related to pimping and sex trafficking have more than tripled in 2018 — with 67 through August, up from 21 during the same period last year, according to police.

[WesJohnson]

Try bedpage

[gaysian71]

Today in no-shit-sherlock:

The Scanner: Sex workers returned to SF streets after Backpage.com shut down (https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/The-Scanner-Sex-workers-returned-to-SF-streets-13304257.php)

I guess our lawmakers believe it belongs on the street and not behind closed doors. It's better for the children that way. It gives them hope that there is a future for them. :salad

[gaysian71]

Try bedpage

Or Adultlook

[TSLoverIB]

i was always looking on craigslist, neverused backpage, bedpage now i look on tgpersonals, tgmeet, grindr

[ceejay100]

An interesting read on the BP situation

https://reason.com/2019/08/26/secret-memos-show-the-government-has-been-lying-about-backpage

[mtbazz]

An interesting read on the BP situation

https://reason.com/2019/08/26/secret-memos-show-the-government-has-been-lying-about-backpage

didn't read the whole thing, but my take on the whole BP situation is that someone just wanted to shut down prostitution.

[BostonBad]

Use other websites. Go to the gym, get handsome and use social media.

I have Hawaiin ballmilk on deck for me to swallow. This will be a first. She won't cum for a week. Because of thst she says she can cum 3-4 times that night.

Thank you social media.

[dickdasterly]

www.adultlook.com
www.girlwithextra.com