Star Trek Discovery

[MrFanti]

I liked it!

[Telvin]

I felt it met my expectations. Just enough action as they developed the characters.

I was not impressed with the new look Klingon. There was absolutely no reason for the redesign. As for the the Klingon ships, hate them, they should have kept them canon. Klingon ships have looked the same from the Star Trek: Enterprise straight through to Star Trek: Voyager. I also think uniforms should have been kept canon. For that time every ship had it's on chest insignia design. The delta was not made the Starfleet symbol until after Kirk's 5 year mission. The uniforms should have looked like they did in the pilot of TOS. Also, I liked the fed ships but they should have been more like the TOS ships.

I think it is a good start.

[Fitzcarraldo]

Why did the Klingons talk so damn slowly?

And I see there's very little science to go with the fiction now. That early sequence where the ship went down into atmosphere to pick them up? Come on, that was clearly just done so it would look cool.

I can live without this show.

[MrFanti]

I can live without this show.

Well,
Since it's CBS All Access - you don't have to worry about it being forced on you!

[Fitzcarraldo]

Well,
Since it's CBS All Access - you don't have to worry about it being forced on you!

Exactly.

[MrFanti]

Hmmm....I'm flexible enough that I don't mind any of the changes......it will be interesting to see how the series pans out though...


I felt it met my expectations. Just enough action as they developed the characters.

I was not impressed with the new look Klingon. There was absolutely no reason for the redesign. As for the the Klingon ships, hate them, they should have kept them canon. Klingon ships have looked the same from the Star Trek: Enterprise straight through to Star Trek: Voyager. I also think uniforms should have been kept canon. For that time every ship had it's on chest insignia design. The delta was not made the Starfleet symbol until after Kirk's 5 year mission. The uniforms should have looked like they did in the pilot of TOS. Also, I liked the fed ships but they should have been more like the TOS ships.

I think it is a good start.

[GroobySteven]

Some flaws.
Michelle Yeoh's line delivery was awful.
Klingon make-up was fucking horrible and pointless.
Agreed with the science of a ship coming in to get them on a planet with atmosphere (could have sent an away ship to get them).
Not feeling any of the crew yet apart from the main character.

But ... it makes me want to stick with it.

After the recent Star Trek movies, the production values on this really stick out like a sore thumb.

[hamdasl]

After all these years, they're still circling Uranus looking for Klingons!! :party:

[RACQUEL]

Star Trek anything on TV is a WIN!!

[max1958]

It should be on the regular CBS broadcast you should not have to pay for CBS all access. It is one of the most popular franchises of all time it should be free.

:(

[MrFanti]

it should be free.

:(
So where does the revenue come from to create sets, pay writers, etc...?

[Telvin]

So where does the revenue come from to create sets, pay writers, etc...?
Advertisers...just like every other show on network television. As long as a show gets good ratings, advertisers pay for spots during the show. That is how the sets, writers, actors, and etc get paid.

[MrFanti]

Advertisers...just like every other show on network television. As long as a show gets good ratings, advertisers pay for spots during the show. That is how the sets, writers, actors, and etc get paid.

Hmmm....
And should porn and NETFLIX be free too?

[MrFanti]

Addendum: It's also one of the most expensive television production in history at cost of 8 to 8.5 million dollars per episode. $10.99/Month for commercial free CBS Discovery is cheap - most porn is more expensive than this.

[blackchubby38]

Hmmm....
And should porn and NETFLIX be free too?

You're comparing two different business models to a television show. While I don't have an issue with CBS using Discovery as a way to get people to sign up for CBS All Access, I can also understand why people who are fans of the franchise would balk at wanting to pay $5.99 a month/$60.00 a year to watch one television show.

I think what CBS should have done is made all the episodes available on CBS All Access for those who want to binge watch the episodes at once. So if you wanted to see them, you would have to sign up for the service. But make it a weekly show on their network.

[trish]

I love everything Star Trek and was looking forward to Discovery until I found out I'd have to subscribe to an extended service just to see it. I'm already paying Comcast about $200/mo to watch less than 40hrs/mo. That's $5/hr. The average cost of a movie ticket in the U.S. is $8.12 and that's for 2 hours of 'entertainment.' Star Trek Discovery is $5.99/hr which is $11.98 for 2 hours. That 1.47 times the average cost of a movie. Subscription-access is a scam. There are better things to do with your money and time.

[cochar102]

I've enjoyed it, but the new Klingons looks really awful, i don't understand why they have been changed again.

However, i'm really looking forward to the next episodes alongside with "The Orville", is nice to have all that Trek stuff again!

[bluesoul]

Advertisers...just like every other show on network television. As long as a show gets good ratings, advertisers pay for spots during the show. That is how the sets, writers, actors, and etc get paid.

actually this is incorrect. this is how a studio recoups it's investment and makes a profit not how it pays for the show.

a studio basically invests in a particular property by giving a budget then it attempts to recoup it's money back through advertising and licensing (in this case, netflix has the licensing to distribute the show outside the united states)

because this is cbs' biggest ip, they're using it to launch cbs all access to compete with netflix, hulu, amazon prime and the soon-to-be disney streaming service then offload shows from the network

about the show: i think it has a lot of problems. i really dislike the "new" look of the klingons, i find the language and delivery very distracting. how many times did captain georgiou (michelle yeou) say "number 1". then why is number 1 called michael? then how annoying is michael?
they couldn't even have had a good opening theme.

basically, i liked nothing about it

[Telvin]

actually this is incorrect. this is how a studio recoups it's investment and makes a profit not how it pays for the show.

a studio basically invests in a particular property by giving a budget then it attempts to recoup it's money back through advertising and licensing (in this case, netflix has the licensing to distribute the show outside the united states)
So let me get this straight. This budget you are talking about does not pay for the sets, writers, actors, and etc. That money comes from where? Where is this budget money going then?

So the advertising (and licensing) is only recouping the money that was budgeted plus making profit? This budget money that seems to go no where and is used for nothing.

[bluesoul]

So let me get this straight. This budget you are talking about does not pay for the sets, writers, actors, and etc. That money comes from where? Where is this budget money going then?

So the advertising (and licensing) is only recouping the money that was budgeted plus making profit? This budget money that seems to go no where and is used for nothing.


the budget comes from the studio and investors- with the studio agreeing to distribution and marketing (or one of those). cbs owns the television rights, roddenberry ent. owns roddenberry holdings and paramount studios owns the film rights. can you now work out how they raised money for a budget or do you still think they waited until the show was done and divided advertising revenue to pay for the show?


So the advertising (and licensing) is only recouping the money that was budgeted plus making profit?

correct.

i work at a film studio. advertising revenue doesn't funnel down to anyone below the line. so saying advertising is how they pay the writers, actors etc is completely incorrect. that's how youtubers build their budgets, not a film or television studio

ask another foolish question, and i might not be so kind next time

[Telvin]

the budget comes from the studio and investors- with the studio agreeing to distribution and marketing (or one of those). cbs owns the television rights, roddenberry ent. owns roddenberry holdings and paramount studios owns the film rights. can you now work out how they raised money for a budget or do you still think they waited until the show was done and divided advertising revenue to pay for the show?



correct.

i work at a film studio. advertising revenue doesn't funnel down to anyone below the line. so saying advertising is how they pay the writers, actors etc is completely incorrect. that's how youtubers build their budgets, not a film or television studio

ask another foolish question, and i might not be so kind next time
Oh no...another threat from someone hiding behind the internet... :hide-1:

The bottom line, no advertising (licensing) dollars, no one is going to invest in producing the shows. There for, advertising (licensing) pays for it. Unless the show loses money in which case it is cancelled. No one invests in a losing proposition on purpose.

It's all symantec's...

[MrFanti]

You're comparing two different business models to a television show. While I don't have an issue with CBS using Discovery as a way to get people to sign up for CBS All Access, I can also understand why people who are fans of the franchise would balk at wanting to pay $5.99 a month/$60.00 a year to watch one television show.

I think what CBS should have done is made all the episodes available on CBS All Access for those who want to binge watch the episodes at once. So if you wanted to see them, you would have to sign up for the service. But make it a weekly show on their network.

Bottom Line: CBS made their decision and it didn't fit your own perspective. As far as success or fail with this model, we will have to wait and see.

[bluesoul]

Oh no...another threat from someone hiding behind the internet... :hide-1:

The bottom line, no advertising (licensing) dollars, no one is going to invest in producing the shows. There for, advertising (licensing) pays for it. Unless the show loses money in which case it is cancelled. No one invests in a losing proposition on purpose.

It's all symantec's...

urgh, what a stupid analogy. and you're still wrong.

if a show is cancelled it doesn't mean they didn't have money to "pay for it". that's what you can't seem to grasp.

also advertising isn't licensing.

and some people invest in shows that don't make money as tax write offs. depends on the territories they're filmed in

basically every single sentence you wrote was wrong.

wanna try again with more "symantecs" or do you wanna try semantics next?

[Dudedude12345]

I get why they changed the Klingon design

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7mN3_Ze10M

I liked the fact theyre portraying a real human that makes mistakes snd didnt screw up like what JJ Abrahms did

[MrFanti]

One heckuva an episode tonight - I'm impressed!

[Telvin]

One heckuva an episode tonight - I'm impressed!

Agreed!!!

[Dudedude12345]

That show earned my $6

[MrFanti]

That show earned my $6

Cut out one trip for fast food per month and most folks can easily watch the show.......

[fanservice999]

I like to support the shows, but to have to pay for that CBS All Access just to watch it kinda puts me off though. I already have several other services I pay for to watch my shows. Now to pay for yet another, and there's really only just that one show on it I want to watch, does annoy me. I may end up torrenting the show to watch it, or waiting for the season to end to binge watch it. Finding a torrent for it isn't that hard. There's a lot of "fans" who are torrenting the show out of protest of the subscription service. Yeah I know, it's kinda dumb but they are doing it. I know torrenting stuff is bad, and it's only $6. (Which is why I'll more than likely wait until it's all out.) It's the fact of having to get yet another damn subscription just to watch 1 show. I personally expect to see this show to be moved to Amazon Prime, or Netflicks at some point.

[Dudedude12345]

I pay $30 for internet and $20 for TV

[MrFanti]

STUNNING EPISODE TONIGHT!!! (#4) for those that watched it! :cool:

[llemming]

Here's an interesting (detailed) article that shows a 1967 letter written by the Producer to the Costume Designer indicating the different chest insignia designs for each ship was an error in TOS:
http://www.startrek.com/article/starfleet-insignia-explained



I felt it met my expectations. Just enough action as they developed the characters.

I was not impressed with the new look Klingon. There was absolutely no reason for the redesign. As for the the Klingon ships, hate them, they should have kept them canon. Klingon ships have looked the same from the Star Trek: Enterprise straight through to Star Trek: Voyager. I also think uniforms should have been kept canon. For that time every ship had it's on chest insignia design. The delta was not made the Starfleet symbol until after Kirk's 5 year mission. The uniforms should have looked like they did in the pilot of TOS. Also, I liked the fed ships but they should have been more like the TOS ships.

I think it is a good start.

[cochar102]

Loved the 5th episode!

[Telvin]

It was "fucking cool"!

[Telvin]

Here's an interesting (detailed) article that shows a 1967 letter written by the Producer to the Costume Designer indicating the different chest insignia designs for each ship was an error in TOS:
http://www.startrek.com/article/starfleet-insignia-explained
Interesting...

[Dudedude12345]

I didnt see the ending coming

[slave2u]

I didnt see the ending coming

do you men the end scene? me either especially as he was mourning loss of his bestest.
or do you mean the mirror shot - which was straight out of a horror movie. and interesting to see what they do with it (i guess mirror universe storyline coming up..)

[slave2u]

i am enjoying discovery hugely. probably my favourite after the original series. though it is missing a shatner/brooks scene chewing ott ham actor in it.

i can't believe they had two hot female kick arse characters and have managed to get rid of them in 4 episodes. leaving us with mostly snippy blokes.

for the life of me i can't see a reason why they have made this a prelude to 'kirk tiime' as now i want to know why spock never mentioned a half sister, why no has ever mentioned the mushroom drive. the recent inclusion of harry mudd just adds to that.

[bluesoul]

just in case anyone is reading the above and thinking "hmmm maybe i'll give this a shot!" don't. it fucking sucks. it's like the worst star trek show EVER.

[MrFanti]

i am enjoying discovery hugely. probably my favourite after the original series. though it is missing a shatner/brooks scene chewing ott ham actor in it.

i can't believe they had two hot female kick arse characters and have managed to get rid of them in 4 episodes. leaving us with mostly snippy blokes.

for the life of me i can't see a reason why they have made this a prelude to 'kirk tiime' as now i want to know why spock never mentioned a half sister, why no has ever mentioned the mushroom drive. the recent inclusion of harry mudd just adds to that.

Yes it's an incredible series! :cool:
And as usual, the loudest folks are the disgruntled ones.....

[slave2u]

just in case anyone is reading the above and thinking "hmmm maybe i'll give this a shot!" don't. it fucking sucks. it's like the worst star trek show EVER.

why do you think it sucks?
so far it has kept me entertained - i have some quibbles with it, but pretty much it has worked for me, and if it maintains its quality i can see it becoming one of my fave sf series.

[MrFanti]

And there we go!
Off to Season #2!

[Telvin]

Klingon boobies...Boobies are good!

[holzz]

wtf....yesterday's ep was HARD....

TNG/DS9 started off slowly. this is off with a bang. the klingon sex scenes..wow. does she escort? ;)

[MrFanti]

Klingon boobies...Boobies are good!

Yes part was...."interesting".....
LoL and it will be "interesting" to see how that sub-plot pans out.....

[slave2u]

wtf....yesterday's ep was HARD....

TNG/DS9 started off slowly. this is off with a bang. the klingon sex scenes..wow. does she escort? ;)

just thought that scene was there to give the show an 'edge' and served little purpose (we had already had to have two scenes of him going on about how he had been abused... unless it was to show he was a more than willing sex toy, which it didn't really do).

overall still enjoying it and can't wait for it to come back on.

[MrFanti]

Stunning season opener!

[Telvin]

Stunning season opener!

Totally agree...loved it.

[holzz]

https://blogs-images.forbes.com/startswithabang/files/2018/01/Plastic-surgery-Tilly.jpg?width=960

Captain Tilly.

another top episode.

[MrFanti]

Phew!
Another incredible episode!!!

[slave2u]

and when michelle returned i punched the air.
signing up to the empire now.

[slave2u]

https://blogs-images.forbes.com/startswithabang/files/2018/01/Plastic-surgery-Tilly.jpg?width=960

Captain Tilly.

another top episode.

amazingly in two universes - tilly is the only one who is plus sized. where is she getting her clothes?

[josehip]

Just finished this new ep. I never watched any of olders versions of the ST and I'm digging the whole thing.

[MrFanti]

Just finished this new ep. I never watched any of olders versions of the ST and I'm digging the whole thing.
This means that you don't have a slanted perspective and can enjoy the show as it is :cool:

[Telvin]

amazingly in two universes - tilly is the only one who is plus sized. where is she getting her clothes?

The replicator...LOL

The series just keeps better and better.

[cochar102]

I guess you must be an hot asian woman to be the Emperor of the Terran Empire! :-p

[slave2u]

I guess you must be an hot asian woman to be the Emperor of the Terran Empire! :-p

Which goes to show the terran empire can't be all bad.

[MrFanti]

Another MIND BLOWING EPISODE!!!!

[MrFanti]

Another MIND BLOWING EPISODE!!!!
Again!

[slave2u]

it did have michelle yeoh kicking arse - so that was good. not to mention rekha sharma also being a bit mean. crammed a lot in, ended with a ooooh oh no moment.
but did have some silly bits - but those are some of the reasons i love it.

[josehip]

#######SPOILERS#######


Oh yeah, I am glad I did not give up after the years end break.
But, the show is very inconsistent (with great moments followed by stupid moments. excellent dialogues followed by very poorly written dialogues-- I won't even waste my time writing how the series is a shit show in exposition scenes.)
Sometimes the show seems to spend its budget with special effects, and the fight scenes are terribly choreographed (which is a shame since Michelle Yeoh fights like a tiger (or a dragon, you choose). But oh fuck, that's some fun show to watch.

But I'm excited about how the series is going to move now with Yeoh fighting on Micheal's side (by the way, fuck Michael!) So she throws the whole plan out the window to save Yeoh at the last second, KNOWING SHE IS PURE EVIL? Come on! But I know, If she died in the episode they would have no one to lead them to the war they are about to face.

anyone listening to the Freqcast podcast with Anita Sarkeesian and Ebony Aster?
It is a really fun and podcast
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZCrqgoBpV0

[slave2u]

#######SPOILERS#######
So she throws the whole plan out the window to save Yeoh at the last second, KNOWING SHE IS PURE EVIL? Come on! But I know, If she died in the episode they would have no one to lead them to the war they are about to face.


but she didn't throw the whole plan out the window.
she drops the shield contacts discovery to beam back.
meanwhile evil philippa is doing the i have been seen as weak so i must go down all guns blazing.
burnham takes the opportunity to rescue philippa. yes it does call into question burnham's judgement (yeah let's save the evil emperor because nothing could go wrong with that! and while it is a very emotional thing (i owe her for letting her die in my universe) it does also show her vulcan teaching was pretty shit).
but she only does this once she has completed her mission.

none of that matters as it means michelle yeoh is back!
looking forward to her try to get saru cooked as a main course.

just as a shame rekha sharma had to kick the bucket again.

[MrFanti]

Now how about that!

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

I did not see that coming, I love how this series is progressing, the prior Star Trek shows after the next generation were not as exciting

[slave2u]

I did not see that coming, I love how this series is progressing, the prior Star Trek shows after the next generation were not as exciting

never took to st:ng
more a st:ds9 fan.
the link being hammy scene chewing captains.

[slave2u]

I did not see that coming, I love how this series is progressing, the prior Star Trek shows after the next generation were not as exciting

have to say i sort of expected mirror philippa to take command, but passing her off as nice phillipa was a bit of a shock. (also speaks volumes as to how dumb the crew are - what we've come back from the mirror universe, where we know versions of ourselves are there, but this philippa is our one just a prisoner....
but i don't care as more michelle yeoh is never a bad thing.

here is a wild theory for you.
the world of st:d can't have existed in the star trek timeline, even though st:d makes reference to the star trek timeline. so it is possible that by the end of the show they have to do a 'reset'.
one way would be for the spore drive to take them back to before they become st:d

or how about the actions that federation, sarek and emperor philippa are about to do end up creating the beginning of what becomes a new mirror universe?
(in my head the idea is pretty cool, in words not so much...)

[Fitzcarraldo]

Not really on topic, but I doubt anyone will mind:
https://68.media.tumblr.com/f17824cec0146fcd45b880f51e716d78/tumblr_p48a9y44aS1vpn4jvo1_1280.jpg

[MrFanti]

*Nudge*
I still love this series!