Trump to ban trans people from military

[flabbybody]

The lunatic in chief has decided that transgendered folks are unfit to serve in the American armed forces, reversing President Obama's directive allowing it.
Our national nightmare continues.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_597893a9e4b0c95f37605a35/amp?ncid=tweetlnkushpmg00000067

[whamm]

After consultation with my Generals and military experts, please be advised that the United States Government will not accept or allow Transgender individuals to serve in any capacity in the U.S. Military. Our military must be focused on decisive and overwhelming victory and cannot be burdened with the tremendous medical costs and disruption that transgender in the military would entail. Thank you

[Samui]

Here's the link (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/890193981585444864)

[bryanferryfan2]

Here we go

[bryanferryfan2]

Yep, It's about to get bad for minorities

[SanDiegoPervySage]

Ugh.

[lordworm]

He's right.

[angelica_tranny]

I see this in your Twitter!

[Samui]

He's right.

According to this (http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-transgender-military-20150904-story.html)LA Times article, in 2011, approximately 23 of every 100,000 patients were diagnosed with GID. That means less than 500 people of the 2+ million people in the military are identified as transgender. Treatment for 500 people in the military is not only not "tremendous," in the scope of the military's budget, but a drop in the bucket to things like the long criticized and stumbling (http://www.newsweek.com/more-bads-news-f-35-plane-ate-pentagon-378110), 1.5 Trillion (http://www.cnbc.com/2014/07/31/how-dods-15-trillion-f-35-broke-the-air-force.html) dollar F-35 program that even Trump has criticized (www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/12/12/f-35-program-cost-is-out-control-trump-says.html). On top of that, when you look at multi billion dollar waste coverups (https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/pentagon-buries-evidence-of-125-billion-in-bureaucratic-waste/2016/12/05/e0668c76-9af6-11e6-a0ed-ab0774c1eaa5_story.html)of the Pentagon, it becomes clear that not only would having transgender people be manageable financially, but money is clearly not an issue at heart. It's all political. So no, he's not right.

[legault]

According to this (http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-transgender-military-20150904-story.html)LA Times article, in 2011, approximately 23 of every 100,000 patients were diagnosed with GID. That means less than 500 people of the 2+ million people in the military are identified as transgender. Treatment for 500 people in the military is not only not "tremendous," in the scope of the military's budget, but a drop in the bucket to things like the long criticized and stumbling (http://www.newsweek.com/more-bads-news-f-35-plane-ate-pentagon-378110), 1.5 Trillion (http://www.cnbc.com/2014/07/31/how-dods-15-trillion-f-35-broke-the-air-force.html) dollar F-35 program that even Trump has criticized (www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/12/12/f-35-program-cost-is-out-control-trump-says.html). On top of that, when you look at multi billion dollar waste coverups (https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/pentagon-buries-evidence-of-125-billion-in-bureaucratic-waste/2016/12/05/e0668c76-9af6-11e6-a0ed-ab0774c1eaa5_story.html)of the Pentagon, it becomes clear that not only would having transgender people be manageable financially, but money is clearly not an issue at heart. It's all political. So no, he's not right.

They are ineffective in combat compared to the men. Period. He should ban women too. Equality is disproved by biology.

[Trapt53]

They are ineffective in combat compared to the men. Period. He should ban women too. Equality is disproved by biology.

You do realize that the majority of the military is not involved in combat.

[bryanferryfan2]

They are ineffective in combat compared to the men. Period. He should ban women too. Equality is disproved by biology.

If they volunteer to serve and put their lives on the line to protect this country and others they should be given the utmost respect.

[Samui]

They are ineffective in combat compared to the men. Period. He should ban women too. Equality is disproved by biology.

You have no understanding of the military and the functions served within it. As Trapt53 said, most of the military is not involved in and will never see combat. There are administrative positions, intelligence, maintenance, technical, etc. Furthermore, I have worked with many adept pilots who went into combat and are women. Don't speak on subjects you obviously don't understand. The fact that you think the whole of the military should be barred from women just because of their ability in ground combat roles is a profound display of ignorance. In addition to that, you fail to provide any evidence for your claim in regards to transgender men and women.

[nobbynorm]

You have no understanding of the military and the functions served within it. As Trapt53 said, most of the military is not involved in and will never see combat. There are administrative positions, intelligence, maintenance, technical, etc. Furthermore, I have worked with many adept pilots who went into combat and are women. Don't speak on subjects you obviously don't understand. The fact that you think the whole of the military should be barred from women just because of their ability in ground combat roles is a profound display of ignorance. In addition to that, you fail to provide any evidence for your claim in regards to transgender men and women.

Well said. If someone wants to support their country by joining the military then what the hell has gendered to do with it. I salute them all.

[cochar102]

They are ineffective in combat compared to the men. Period. He should ban women too. Equality is disproved by biology.

Yeah, ineffective.

Tell that to the female russian snipers with more kills than any USA man soldier.

[legault]

You have no understanding of the military and the functions served within it. As Trapt53 said, most of the military is not involved in and will never see combat. There are administrative positions, intelligence, maintenance, technical, etc. Furthermore, I have worked with many adept pilots who went into combat and are women. Don't speak on subjects you obviously don't understand. The fact that you think the whole of the military should be barred from women just because of their ability in ground combat roles is a profound display of ignorance. In addition to that, you fail to provide any evidence for your claim in regards to transgender men and women.

And if shit hits the fan what are they gonna do? Scold the enemy to death? Combat readyness is important regardless of what role you have.

[GroobySteven]

And if shit hits the fan what are they gonna do? Scold the enemy to death? Combat readyness is important regardless of what role you have.

LOL.
I thought I'd seen stupid here before.

[Stavros]

On the 69th anniversary of the day when President Truman officially desegregated the US military. And not a coincidence.

This is the kind of vindictive act that has Stephen Bannon's fingerprints all over it, not least because the Defence Secretary Mathis knew nothing about it. Yet again, six months in and there are no new policies emerging from the White House for Congress to consider, only the infantile act of revenge which says: what did Obama do? Let's undo it.

As for the service personnel, one of the Navy Seal 6 team that conducted the raid in Pakistan that killed bin Laden but retired shortly before that operation, has written a book (Warrior Princess) about her service and her transition, but now she and every other transgendered veteran along with those still serving is to be discarded as if they were useless freaks.
http://www.scmp.com/news/world/article/1254960/us-navy-seal-bin-laden-raid-unit-becomes-transgender-warrior-princess

So there you are, you woke up this morning and it was 1949 all over again. With Jim Crow, not Truman.

[Samui]

And if shit hits the fan what are they gonna do? Scold the enemy to death? Combat readyness is important regardless of what role you have.
No, combat readiness is not important for every role, it's why those aforementioned divisions I mentioned aren't trained for actual combat. Look, I realize you think admitting you're wrong will make you look bad, but doubling down and saying blatantly stupid shit is far far worse.

[trish]

They are ineffective in combat compared to the men. Period. He should ban women too. Equality is disproved by biology.Wouldn't want to depend on your tiny mind for defense.

[Ben in LA]

According to this (http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-transgender-military-20150904-story.html)LA Times article, in 2011, approximately 23 of every 100,000 patients were diagnosed with GID. That means less than 500 people of the 2+ million people in the military are identified as transgender. Treatment for 500 people in the military is not only not "tremendous," in the scope of the military's budget, but a drop in the bucket to things like the long criticized and stumbling (http://www.newsweek.com/more-bads-news-f-35-plane-ate-pentagon-378110), 1.5 Trillion (http://www.cnbc.com/2014/07/31/how-dods-15-trillion-f-35-broke-the-air-force.html) dollar F-35 program that even Trump has criticized (www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/12/12/f-35-program-cost-is-out-control-trump-says.html). On top of that, when you look at multi billion dollar waste coverups (https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/pentagon-buries-evidence-of-125-billion-in-bureaucratic-waste/2016/12/05/e0668c76-9af6-11e6-a0ed-ab0774c1eaa5_story.html)of the Pentagon, it becomes clear that not only would having transgender people be manageable financially, but money is clearly not an issue at heart. It's all political. So no, he's not right.
Trumpsuckers will call this verifiable stat fake news.

[SanDiegoPervySage]

You do realize that the majority of the military is not involved in combat.

You mean they all don't kick in doors? Holy shit!

[SanDiegoPervySage]

And if shit hits the fan what are they gonna do? Scold the enemy to death? Combat readyness is important regardless of what role you have.

Readiness

And plenty of women have proven to be combat ready. That's how they, and everyone else can deploy.....by being combat ready.

[legault]

Lol super far left forum. It's gonna keep happening, so too bad.

[Fitzcarraldo]

Lol super far left forum. It's gonna keep happening, so too bad.

Is it super far left to think it's wrong that a right granted by the government could be taken away? I can't think of a precedent for it. And I thought conservatives were all about individual rights.

[Samui]

Lol super far left forum. It's gonna keep happening, so too bad.

This post really highlights the problem with you. You accept or dismiss issues based on left vs. right instead of right vs. wrong. Learn to think for yourself instead of what the party line tells you to think

[oakridge]

I wont't be happy till DADT is back.

[SanDiegoPervySage]

This post really highlights the problem with you. You accept or dismiss issues based on left vs. right instead of right vs. wrong. Learn to think for yourself instead of what the party line tells you to think

Typical of people on the extremes of politics. They saying something ignorant while going "lol the left/lol the right" in place of actual reasoning. They try to be edgy by "telling it how it is".

[ceejay100]

Perhaps the Fuckwit-in -Chief could answer this...
1020169

[nysprod]

If you ever saw one of the Queens trans girls fighting, you'd definitely want her for Special Ops lol

[Aticus100]

Lol super far left forum. It's gonna keep happening, so too bad.

You do realise that your membership of this very forum means that Comrade Trump and his like think YOU are a perverted, disfunctual freak, don't you?

Pop along to your nearest next Trump loving. Self appreciation rally and then tell me you were happy to tell those there that you have sex with transsexuals.

I won't hold my breath.

[Stavros]

It appears that government-by-twitter isn't working...

In a rebuke to Trump’s attempt to run the government and military via Twitter, Gen Joseph Dunford, America’s top military officer, said on Thursday that the armed forces would continue to permit transgender people to serve openly until the defense secretary, Jim Mattis, has received Trump’s “direction” to change the policy and figured out how to implement it.
In a memo to all military service chiefs, commanders and enlisted military leaders, Dunford, chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, said “there will be no modifications” to current policy for now, amid questions about Trump’s announcement on Twitter that the US government will not “accept or allow” transgender people to serve in any capacity in the military.

“I know there are questions about yesterday’s announcement,” Dunford began, adding that nothing would change until the president’s direction has been received by Mattis and Mattis has issued “implementation guidance”.

“In the meantime, we will continue to treat all of our personnel with respect,” Dunford wrote. “As importantly, given the current fight and the challenges we face, we will all remain focused on accomplishing our assigned missions.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jul/27/donald-trump-transgender-ban-troops-pentagon-us-military

[Ben in LA]

If you ever saw one of the Queens trans girls fighting, you'd definitely want her for Special Ops lol

Same with some of the girls out here...they don't play

[Ben in LA]

I wont't be happy till DADT is back.

You've been a member for almost six years, and this is your first post. Bet your friend wouldn't like that the fact you're into "chicks with dicks" going by your debut comment...

[filghy2]

This is far from the only anti-LGBTQ measure the Trump administration is taking. https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/7/27/16049306/trump-sessions-justice-department-lgbtq

I wonder what are these people thinking now? http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?99116-Trannies-for-Trump&highlight=trannies+trump Has it dawned on them that they've been had, or are they still in the bubble of denial?

[JerkingDude]

Trump is right.

Here is a good video to watch:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjtwPdwuV1E

[Kioji]

Trump is right.

Here is a good video to watch:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjtwPdwuV1E

garbage the cost is minuscule and we already have an inflated military budget we throw money away doing useless things like building tanks we don't need then giving them to saudis

[CoolAwesomeBXDude]

Speaking about trump, i'm still waiting for him to make america great again....

[Samui]

Trump is right.

Here is a good video to watch:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjtwPdwuV1E

Ah yes, right wing shock jock Gavin McInnes dressing up like a caricature to mock Trans women and generalizing them all as mentally unstable. And primarily relying on combat roles to dismiss them from the entirety of the military despite their being numerous non-combat roles like the idiot above. And despite the fact that Trans people have successfully conducted combat deployments. His understanding of the military is a caricature just like his representation of Trans women.

Only thing that is worthwhile he said was this UCLA study he noted regarding the number of trans people in the military. 15.5k seems like a huge over estimate. Politifact (http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2017/jul/26/mark-pocan/how-many-people-military-are-transgender/)discusses that study as well as another which seems more reasonable in its estimate, but still pretty high. Regardless, Gavin doesn't say a single thing reasonable in his trying to justify this ban and you'd have to be a complete idiot to think he did.

[Samui]

Also in regards to expenditure for transgender health care, this Bloomberg article (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-07-26/here-s-how-many-trans-people-serve-in-the-u-s-military) notes a study that estimates it would cost a resounding 8.4 million dollars or 0.0014 percent of Trump's total defense budget proposal. Yeah, such a financial "burden."

So yeah, Trump is wrong and why don't you come to the table with reputable sources instead of comedian idiots like Gavin McInnes.

[Veal Cutlet]

Your right, its taking time to make 'America Great Again' after the way Obama deeply fucked it up for 8 years of his bullshit. And in all my years hanging out with TS girls I never met one who wanted to be in the military, it's not CUNT! I guess they found an easier way to make money. Besides, the reason Trump put this bullshit out there (yes I said bullshit because think anyone should have the right to serve if they want but its not my call) is because he doesn't want guys using the military to pay for their transition like the tax payers do for guys in jail. And we got bigger problems in this country then this. No I am not a Trump fanatic so relax

[Samui]

Your right

Glad this is how you began the post; it let me know how dumb it was going to be. Hint: it's "you're" not "your," and if you're old enough to post here, you should know that. You never meeting a trans woman who wanted to be in the military has no relevance to anything so you shouldn't have brought it up. Reality is there are many who do. By the way, trans men exist too. Having to fund care for trans people is minuscule as the link shows in my previous post. And regardless of whether we have bigger problems in this country, we're capable of addressing multiple problems at once. Furthermore, this is a human rights and equality issue. Little more is important than that. You likely try to hand wave this issue away with the excuse of having "bigger problems" just because it's a minority group of which you aren't a part. Grats on outing yourself as unsympathetic to the groups too small to defend themselves and with which you can't relate. That lets us know you're a scumbag. Laughable you trash Obama here; he increased freedoms in this country, (repeal of DADT, trans rights to serve in the military, travel to Cuba, etc.) Meanwhile, between travel bans preventing (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/31/people-detained-airports-trump-travel-ban)otherwise legal and documented immigrants from entering and the persecution of trans people, Trump is trying his damndest to undo those freedoms. You may not be a Trump fanatic, but you try to damage control his damaging policies all the same.

[trish]

Taxpayers spend $3.6 million on every trip Donald takes to Mar-a-Lago. During his first thirteen weeks in office Donald spent seven weeks there. That's $25.2 million in thirteen weeks. It's pretty much what the military spends on Viagra-like drug prescriptions every year.

Estimates of transgender military personal (active duty and reserve) range between 4000 to 10 000 persons. The highest estimate for the number seeking surgery and hormone treatments is 140. Total cost estimates range from $2.4 million to 8.4 million. This is 10 times what the military spends on erectile dysfunction prescriptions like Viagra. This is pocket change compared to a defense budget of $600 BILLION.

Trump tweets that he wants to ban transgender persons from military service in order to save money and trim the defense budget. The ban obviously would come nowhere close to serving this end. Clearly the end the tweet is meant to serve is to focus attention back on the toddler in chief and pander to his base by reinforcing their prejudices.

Trump tweeted that he consulted his generals. Another lie. The generals were taken completely by surprise.

Trump is all about bans and walls of every kind. Whether he himself is prejudiced and paranoid or just playing to a paranoid and prejudicial base amounts to the same thing. He clearly cares only for himself. He's utterly ignorant. His interests are limited to his money, his notoriety and his power - you and I don't figure in one iota. But he is our president: so whether you’re a supporter or not, if your not a member of his immediate family you’re fucked.

America great again?! The American Society of Engineers just gave our infrastructure (roads, bridges, tunnels, airports, sewage systems, etc) a grade of D+. With this egocentric child in charge, America is fucked!

[SanDiegoPervySage]

Your right, its taking time to make 'America Great Again' after the way Obama deeply fucked it up for 8 years of his bullshit. And in all my years hanging out with TS girls I never met one who wanted to be in the military, it's not CUNT! I guess they found an easier way to make money. Besides, the reason Trump put this bullshit out there (yes I said bullshit because think anyone should have the right to serve if they want but its not my call) is because he doesn't want guys using the military to pay for their transition like the tax payers do for guys in jail. And we got bigger problems in this country then this. No I am not a Trump fanatic so relax

Most people in this country don't want to be in the military, period(or they want to but never go for it for a tin of reasons) It's not just a trans thing. Also, just because you don't know any trans girls who want to be in the military doesn't mean anything since they already exist in there.

[Stavros]

And all this from a draft-dodger who spent his election campaign insulting a war hero, who has blocked war veterans from his twitter feed, who has broken the law on rights at work by dismissing individuals with no advance warning or justification derived from the various codes that govern military service, and who pats himself on the back while the military ignore him anyway. Given that this President has, in policy terms sent no new bills to Congress for their consideration, has failed in his attempt to 'repeal and replace Obamacare', and spends most of his time playing golf or watching tv, Americans might want to ask the question: does the Presidency serve a political purpose? Maybe it is time to reduce it to a ceremonial role, and leave politics to adults instead.

[funnsun69]

trump is pompous ass.

[jamiethewild]

Your right, its taking time to make 'America Great Again' after the way Obama deeply fucked it up for 8 years of his bullshit. And in all my years hanging out with TS girls I never met one who wanted to be in the military, it's not CUNT! I guess they found an easier way to make money. Besides, the reason Trump put this bullshit out there (yes I said bullshit because think anyone should have the right to serve if they want but its not my call) is because he doesn't want guys using the military to pay for their transition like the tax payers do for guys in jail. And we got bigger problems in this country then this. No I am not a Trump fanatic so relax

This is BS. It's so sad that many Americans can be easily manipulated on topics they have no clue.

You know how much I spend on my medical services each year from my own pocket ? 2k. That's it

He's doing this to cause distraction and divert attention from himself/ his issues/or being the constant topic on the news, so he's more than willing dirty up any minority or person's reputation and like someone said he's all about bans and walls. This "expenses he talks about" is just an excuse for one of his dick bans.

Trump supporters, support every asshole move at every point until it affects them. It's so sad that we have Americans like you who are sheep and talk on topics they're not specialized in. I'm done, I yield. Have a nice day!

[Veal Cutlet]

Sorry but your opinion has no credibility with me, in my opinion you're just another snowflake crying cause your candidate lost. You have your opinion and I have mine, that's just the way life is. In my eyes you are totally delusional and in your eyes I am so I guess it's a moot point to argue isn't it? You have a nice day as well!

We really should not argue politics or religion, I am an idiot for being sucked into this, I am not here on HA to argue politics, its all about the girls and our TS lifestyle here. So I am done and moving on!

[filghy2]

You have your opinion and I have mine, that's just the way life is.

This argument is always a sure sign that a person is clueless as to how to respond to other's arguments - as if an opinion has nothing to do with facts or logic but is just a preference (like whether you like olives or not).

[SanDiegoPervySage]

When in the wrong, throw out cliché insults like snowflake.

[Fitzcarraldo]

Sorry but your opinion has no credibility with me, in my opinion you're just another snowflake crying cause your candidate lost. You have your opinion and I have mine, that's just the way life is. In my eyes you are totally delusional and in your eyes I am so I guess it's a moot point to argue isn't it? You have a nice day as well!

We really should not argue politics or religion, I am an idiot for being sucked into this, I am not here on HA to argue politics, its all about the girls and our TS lifestyle here. So I am done and moving on!

Your opinion has no credibility with anyone. You merely regurgitate reactions dictated by your ideology. There is no conscious thought in play. Tell your ideological cohorts about your appreciation of the TS lifestyle (which can include military service) and see how well you're received.

[Ben in LA]

...its all about the girls and our TS lifestyle here...

That's true. Just acknowledge girls such as Natalie Chen, Isabella Sorrenti, Becca Benz, River Stark, and Brittany St. Jordan actually SERVED in the military before people started pulling their meat to them. They literally have more balls than five-time deferred Führer Cheeto.

[Samui]

Sorry but your opinion has no credibility with me, in my opinion you're just another snowflake crying cause your candidate lost.

That might make sense if my responses were just political insults and whining about Clinton not winning, but in reality, I wasn't a fan of Clinton either, and I've used multiple sources to justify my claims and counterpoints that refute your argument. You're just like the guy earlier who sees this in terms of left and right instead of right and wrong. I'm not thinking of Democrats vs. Republicans or Clinton winning or losing, I'm thinking of the rights and freedoms of fellow Americans and if you didn't see politics in the same way you see a football game, you wouldn't have such a limited outlook on issues.
You just posted a reply with absolutely no attempt to logically refute anything we've said. You just doubled down saying, "Well that's my opinion," as if your opinion, bereft of any logical reason or valid sources, is as valid as ours. It isn't and if you took the time to analyze why you just had to cut and run without saying anything substantive in defense of your position, you'd realize you did so because deep down, you know you don't have a leg to stand on, you don't have the integrity to admit that you're wrong and care more about not feeling defeated than bettering your understanding and improving your views.

You want to indulge the "TS lifestyle" while trying to hand wave and sweep under the rug politics that are destructive to transgender people. You're literal scum. You don't see transgender people as human beings with whom you should empathize and defend when attacked, you just see them as wank fodder to nut off to. Anyone here excusing blatant attacks on the trans community that marginalize them and take away their freedom and equal standing like this should be banned. You obviously don't support trans people, so you have no business on a forum for trans people and those that actually support them.

[lordworm]

Joining the military isn't a right lol

[filghy2]

Joining the military isn't a right lol

Nobody is arguing that everyone should have a right to join the military if they don't qualify on the selection criteria that apply to every candidate. The issue is whether it is right to arbitrarily exclude a particular class of people even if they do meet these criteria.

Why do you people find basic logic so difficult? lol

[SanDiegoPervySage]

Also, Yasmin Lee was in the Navy.

[bassman2546]

If anything, transgender people are MORE courageous considering the steps they've taken in their lives and dealing with the pain, the ridicule and the abuse each day of their lives. Yet they still carry forward each day - and get stronger as a result. THAT is courageous. I'm a man and live as a man every day of my life. THAT'S easy. Trump just shot the U.S. in the foot by banning some of the most courageous people in the U.S. from strengthening your military. Well done, once again, President Dickhead.

[whamm]

Really LOVED your post, but when I got to this sentence I felt a little funny.


Anyone here excusing blatant attacks on the trans community that marginalize them and take away their freedom and equal standing like this should be banned.

Even so, EXCELLENT post!

[whamm]

Joining the military isn't a right lol

Fairness and Equal Treatment are the foundation principles of our constitution. Banning an entire class of citizens from serving in our citizen armed services on an arbitrary and political basis damages us all (liberty and justice for all*)

Would it be okay to ban Muslim citizens from serving?

*Exceptions apply to certain groups.

[GroobySteven]

Also, Yasmin Lee was in the Navy.

I could name probably 25 trans models off the top of my head who've been in military.

[GroobySteven]

Really LOVED your post, but when I got to this sentence I felt a little funny.



Even so, EXCELLENT post!


My gut instinct is to ban some of the people in this post. I don't want them here, I think they're clearly damaged and prejudiced individuals with a degree of self-loathing and as the forum owner, I don't want them near me. Then my more logic head comes in - I don't think we'll change anybodies attitudes, they're far past that, but by banning them I'm not making them get any form of justification or feel like they're martyred. They can engage as long as they stay within the rules.

[christianxxx]

That's true. Just acknowledge girls such as Natalie Chen, Isabella Sorrenti, Becca Benz, River Stark, and Brittany St. Jordan actually SERVED in the military before people started pulling their meat to them. They literally have more balls than five-time deferred Führer Cheeto. Bailey Love & Taryn Elizabeth as well...but I don't think any of them transitioned until after they got out of the military.

I would think that joining the military in order to get cheap transitioning surgeries, medical and psychological care is a strange concept and a really really hard way to get it done.

[trish]

A conversation can make the readers re-evaluate as well as the writers. It's nice to have a foil, unless they heckle, advocate or practice behaviors that really cross the line, I say keep 'em around.

[sukumvit boy]

That might make sense if my responses were just political insults and whining about Clinton not winning, but in reality, I wasn't a fan of Clinton either, and I've used multiple sources to justify my claims and counterpoints that refute your argument. You're just like the guy earlier who sees this in terms of left and right instead of right and wrong. I'm not thinking of Democrats vs. Republicans or Clinton winning or losing, I'm thinking of the rights and freedoms of fellow Americans and if you didn't see politics in the same way you see a football game, you wouldn't have such a limited outlook on issues.
You just posted a reply with absolutely no attempt to logically refute anything we've said. You just doubled down saying, "Well that's my opinion," as if your opinion, bereft of any logical reason or valid sources, is as valid as ours. It isn't and if you took the time to analyze why you just had to cut and run without saying anything substantive in defense of your position, you'd realize you did so because deep down, you know you don't have a leg to stand on, you don't have the integrity to admit that you're wrong and care more about not feeling defeated than bettering your understanding and improving your views.

You want to indulge the "TS lifestyle" while trying to hand wave and sweep under the rug politics that are destructive to transgender people. You're literal scum. You don't see transgender people as human beings with whom you should empathize and defend when attacked, you just see them as wank fodder to nut off to. Anyone here excusing blatant attacks on the trans community that marginalize them and take away their freedom and equal standing like this should be banned. You obviously don't support trans people, so you have no business on a forum for trans people and those that actually support them.
Nice post , Samui. Jeez , haven't seen you around in a long time , nice to see you're still kick'in.

[bad dog]

He's got as much chance of implementing this bullshit as he does bringing back Jim Crow laws. I guarantee you somebody will shoot it down, just like they did his ridiculous travel bans.

[Fitzcarraldo]

Signing this may help: https://act.credoaction.com/sign/trans_troops

[sukumvit boy]

:pissed:Can't get that link to load Fitzcarraldo.

[Fitzcarraldo]

:pissed:Can't get that link to load Fitzcarraldo.

Strange--it still works for me. Maybe this longer version will work:
https://act.credoaction.com/sign/trans_troops?sp_ref=329831469.4.182303.o.1.3&referring_akid=.13249513.wjYae6&source=clickcopy_sp

[filghy2]

A ban on new transgender recruits is now official, but it seems the military will have some leeway in dealing with those already serving. https://www.vox.com/world/2017/8/25/16196340/transgender-military-ban-trump-white-house-pentagon

[Fitzcarraldo]

Nice announcement on the Day of Visibility:
https://www.npr.org/2021/03/31/983118029/pentagon-releases-new-policies-enabling-transgender-people-to-serve-in-the-milit

[Stavros]

Nice announcement on the Day of Visibility:
https://www.npr.org/2021/03/31/983118029/pentagon-releases-new-policies-enabling-transgender-people-to-serve-in-the-milit

An important measure and not a surprise, and one that has been implemented with smart efficiency- but the fast pace of policy reversals of Trumpery by the Federal Govt now accompanies an equally fast-pace attempt by the States to use Transgendered Americans as the proof that 'White Heterosexual Christians' are the victims of 'cancel culture' -these two trends, including the hundreds of Bills seeking to remove the vote from millions of Americans, are at odds with each other, and a resolution must be found as the two collide -presumably in the Supreme Court.

But what do most Americans support? Extending rights to Transgended Americans, or restricting them?

[Fitzcarraldo]

But what do most Americans support? Extending rights to Transgended Americans, or restricting them?

I think the split is pretty much along party lines, but transphobia is probably still in the lead. People really think rapists will "pretend" to be trans so they can legally be in women's bathrooms, and that athletes will go through the trauma of transition strictly for a competitive advantage.

[Stavros]

This view from a Professor in Pittsburgh-

"I found evidence in the US that families and communities would accept children as a different gender than the one they were assigned at birth, let them go to school, use the correct bathroom, all of the things that are being fought over now. We can see that 70 or 80 years ago, we were actually in a more progressive place in some areas."
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/apr/01/trans-children-history-jules-gill-peterson-interview