Loveline's Dr. Drew doesn't know F about S

[suckseed]

The other night, I was listening to Loveline on the way home. A 23 yo girl calls up to say her boyfriend is into TS porn. The doc told her her bf was probably gay and she should leave him! That hit me kind of hard, as I generally like what he has to say. Since experiencing sex with a ts, I've come to realize that a)both types of woman have their strong points, and b) it's just sex - gender stuff is way overemphasized, and for that matter, c) liking or being with a ts in no way made me attracted to men.
I think people should call this show (1-800-love-191, sun-thurs 10-12 west coast time), and present a more informed opinion, because a lot of young people take the show's advice to heart.

[Kramer]

thats funny, I really like shemales, but I find men repulsive. I dont get it, I dont understand it, it just is.

So I dig GG's and TG's. 8)

[bmick2961]

do you remember what night that show was on?

Dr drew? That's that fag from that fag station kroq.

Of course he doesn't know shit. That entire station is shit. The only people who listens to that shit are teenie-rockers and other people who don't know shit.

That said, that chicks boyfriend is a moron. He's not gay, he's just stupid for looking at porn when he should be looking at his chick.

[suckseed]

It was Wed. or Thurs.....why do you ask?

[karizma]

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[Realgirls4me]

We exist in a nuanced world of gray matter, and yet we have "experts" always trying to conveniently label who we are and pidgeonholing us into those labels. To me, a gay person is one who is attracted to the same gender. I don't see TS women as being of the same gender, whether they have a cock or not.

[karizma]

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[Realgirls4me]

ehh i dont know about that. some guys are completely turned off by the ts's penis..some like post ops, some are especially attracted to the breasts, legs, or face, especially feminine characteristics, and would refuse to even touch the penis... i believe that men who love ts's for their feminine characteristics certainly arent "gay". if they like them for their penis, they may be gay, but we dont really have the right to judge that. For many, the sexual fantasy with a TS is a fetish..for others, it's curiosity, and perhaps, for some, a girl with a wang is good times. :lol:

Yes, well put. I am highly attracted to post-ops, as are others in here, so how do those who want to pencil us in as gay work that one out? In my case, the attraction is all about her appearance, sexuality, femininity, womanhood, behavior, et all, whether she has a cock or not. There is also the taboo and curiosity factors involved in being with this uniquely beautiful woman. ...She doesn't believe she is a male, so why should I?

[suckseed]

I'd be a poor candidate for a post-op ts, unless I happened to fall in love with her. Sexually, I like TS's for their extra-femininity, which is to say I like women who accentuate their femininity, and at least the pics I see of women that I know are TS seem to illustrate that they go for that sexy look as well.
In my opinion, a postop girl has gotten rid of the best pleasure center she'll ever have, and while I completely respect her decision, I love to make my partner feel good. I don't understand how people can say they ignore a TS's penis in the general sense; if you've fallen for someone, fine, but as a whole the extra equipment that makes a transexual woman unique is a thing to enjoy.
You know, in the privacy of one's room, it's pretty easy to figure out whether you respond to naked guys on the internet, and while it's easy to say we're in denial about it, the fact is, I have nothing against gay guys - I just don't share their sexual orientation. My point again of this variation of the tired topic of 'does liking ts's make me gay?' is to encourage people to challenge Loveline's perceptions, because with an untold number of people learning about sexuality from this show, it needs to be addressed. Be forewarned, they don't like people calling in with an agenda or ax to grind - I heard them cut off a woman who called in to tell them that her FTM boyfriend should be referred to by male rather than female pronouns. You have to ask a question, then be prepared to argue your point calmly.

[Trogdor]

I AGREE WITH DR. DREW. I DISAGREE WITH MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE POSTED HERE SO FAR. MANY GUYS ARE NOT ATTRACTED TO OTHER GUYS PHYSICALLY OR SEXUALLY, BUT ARE ATTRACTED TO M2F TRANSSEXUALS, BECAUSE AS A WHOLE, SOCIETY FROWNS UPON THAT. TRANSSEXUALS ARE MEN AND WILL ALWAYS BE MEN, JUST VERY FEMININE MEN, AND THEREFORE THEY FEEL MORE AT EASE BY LOOKING AT A FEMININE FACE, AS OPPOSED TO A MASCULINE FACE, WHILE STILL HAVING WHAT MOST MEN, WHO ARE BI-CURIOUS, ARE LOOKING FOR, A PENIS.

Ey, you speak for yourself, laddy. :moon

When I look at someone here, say Allanah for instance, I don't see a man, and I am not considering myself gay. :P

[scroller]

So, nerd, what do you get attracted to in shemales?

Or are you just here to blather on ragging on other people?

[suckseed]

YOU AND EVERY OTHER GUY WHO IS AFRAID OF THE GAY STIGMA, CAN SAY THAT THEY DO NOT SHARE THESE GAY GUYS SEXUAL ORIENTATION, BUT IN ACTUALITY YOU DO.

SOME PEOPLE DO NOT LIKE LABELS, BUT TRUTH IS WE NEED THEM. IF WE DID NOT LABEL SALT AND SUGAR RESPECTIVELY, AND PUT THEM IN THE SAME CONTAINER, WE COULD NOT REALLY KNOW THE DIFFERENCE UNLESS WE TASTED ONE OR THE OTHER, OR LOOKED CLOSELY TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE IN THE WAY THEY ARE PROCESSED.

If transexuals could be simply labeled men, you'd be correct. But then what does it mean when men who like TS's aren't turned on by guys? I'm not 'afraid of the gay stigma'; I'm not attracted to men! You recognize the difference?

Labels applied to things we eat are useful; labels applied to human beings and the arts are not. What's 'rock' music? Pink Floyd or Matchbox 20? Who's a gay man? Richard Simmons or Danielle Foxxx? Who's a rapper?
Chuck D or Will Smith? You can't generalize about these things. My best friend a few years ago happened to be black. One day I mentioned to him that black vocalists had better voices to me. He told me it was disappointing to hear me generalize like that, and that even if it was meant to be complimentary, that opens the door to other stuff that's not cool. That really stuck with me.

[Quinn]

Dr. Drew's opinion is that some guy is gay because he likes TS women. So what..... The whole topic really is just a litmus test for the perpetually insecure.

-Quinn

[lust4ts]

all you people talking about not liking shecock are in my eyes much stranger than people who admit they do. lets not forget this site is called hung angels for the those of you who are dumb the hung bit refers to cock. in my eyes a post op ts is a impersonator of a women. i myself am not that intersted in post ops because in my eyes they are no different to a genetic girl if i want to fuck vagina ill fuck a standard girl whichi often do. if you want post op ts maybe you could set up a site called chopped angels. ok im being sarcarstic now but seriously a pre op male to female transsexual is so special because she has a cock. that gives her own identity so she is not just an impersonator of a women. ive said before the reason i like pre op ts is that i find women atrractive and not men but am comfortable enough with myself to admit i like cock.

[Intelipro]

Nerd, I disagree with you. The word male and men are not synonymous, transsexuals and intersexuals prove that point.

You seem to be oblivious to the fact that there are intersexuals out there, and that this people are far more common than transsexuals. A great example is that of CAIS (Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome) women, this women tend to look far more feminine than genetic women due to their insensitivity to androgens, but scientifically speaking they are considered male. Do you consider this women to be "MEN" and their romantic straight-identified partners to be "BI"?

While guys that actively seek transsexuals for dating may have a particular fetish/taste, men whom accidentally fall for a transwoman and upon finding out decide to stay with her shouldn't bear the stigma of BI and Gay labels, for it ignores human nature. In a perfect world without homophobia this wouldn't matter, but this is not the world we live in.

I admit that this straight vs gay discussion is quite ridiculous, however, I think it is important to clarify it because the lack of education only adds more pressure to straight-identified men, and as a result further complicates the lives of transsexuals


Your opinion relies merely on the definition of sex, a definition that cannot be settled with just one answer.

What determines sex:

Chromosomal sex?

Gonadal sex?

Brain sex?

Hormonal sex?

Genital sex?

Phenotypical sex?


Sex is not a black and white issue as most people think. Some XX women have bilateral hysterectomies, but are they considered less female because they no longer have ovaries, and like transsexuals have to take hormone supplements to maintain the secondary sex characteristics of a female? On the other hand, many women have XY chromosomes and naturally born with vaginas, do you consider men that get attracted to them "gay" because technically speaking this person is male?

In short, heterosexual men evolved to be attracted to phenotypical (what sex a person looks like) females, regardless of genotype (genetical sex). A penis is certainly a twist, but it doesn't cancel out the attraction as much as societal pressure does.

[suckseed]

Again.....just to attempt to get the topic on track.
We've discussed this here many times.
But, as a group who has hopefully, for the most part, achieved a greater understanding about transexuals than the average person...a show which millions of impressionable young adults tune in to every week are hearing that guys into shemales are gay and should be dumped.
If you're so inclined, call in and attempt to challenge that opinion. That's it!

Lust4ts...dude...if you say you're into ts's, you might want to think about maybe NOT OFFENDING THEM BEFORE YOUR FIRST DOZEN POSTS HERE.
This is the second thread where you've brought up the whole no-cock?fuckoff! viewpoint. We get it. You like dick. You think about it a lot.
We promise not to send any pre-ops over.

[djbj_2_2_69]

I attempted to call loveline a few times when I was younger (around 18-19) to get a feel for why I was into TS porn.
The screener never put my thru and eventually told me to stop calling because he said he was "onto me, I know this is a prank". Fuck that show Adam was the only thing keeping that show alive anyway.

[djbj_2_2_69]

I attempted to call loveline a few times when I was younger (around 18-19) to get a feel for why I was into TS porn.
The screener never put my thru and eventually told me to stop calling because he said he was "onto me, I know this is a prank". Fuck that show Adam was the only thing keeping that show alive anyway.

[dan_drade]

Well, I don't know about the rest of you, but I find that I am only attracted to tgirls. I am not attracted to gg's at all, and I am especially not attracted to men. I cannot even imagine having sex with another man. So, does that make me gay, straight or just smarter than the average bear?


BTW, any guy that thinks I'm gay, can suck my cock. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[phxguy]

Even back in the time when Dr. Drew's show used to be on MTV, I never had a good impression about him. He seems to be very uptight about people who explore their sexualities in different ways. For instance, the subject of lapdancing came up. He had no idea what lapdancing was, which just goes to show his ignorance about sexuallity. When a caller described it to him, he was like "you mean the guy climaxes in his pants??? I don't think denim is a good protection from HIV!"

What a nerd!

[yodajazz]

Well, Intelipro really has it down when explaining about the complexities of what determines sex differences. I did a paper on it years ago, so I understand. Every human's body contains both male and female sex hormones. The secondary sex organs produce a prodominence of one or the other. But some embroyos with male cromosones do not respond to the male hormones so the baby developes female organ and grows up to be female, but not with a very feminine shape, like big hips, big bust, etc. I believe that they cannot bear children because they do not have ovaries. That is called Androgen (male hormone) Insensitivity Syndrome.
Most people would agree that a 'straight' male is gay by dating one because they appear female in every way except if a cromosone study is made. One of my points is that even mental health professional don't always understand the complexities of sexuality, especially sexual orientation issues.
I have long believed that every person is really bisexual. It is only there are different degrees along the spectrum. For example many 'straight' men engage in gay sex while locked up for years in prison. If you have no spent some time in jail, you cannot say for sure what you would do. I have not been myself.
One sure test would be if a man was locked up in jail for years, with Allanah as his cellmate and refused to touch her, even if she begged! He would qualify as 100% heterosexual!

[suckseed]

N.e.r.d. - what people 'consider' this or that is subject to change. Rock and roll was once considered 'the devil's music' - now it's elevator music. Cocaine was once used as an anasthetic for eye surgery - imagine doing that today. And back in the covered wagon days, if I'm correct, women got married at thirteen or fourteen - pretty unthinkable today. Not to mention the Greeks with their boys. I respect your opinion, but, what's your agenda? Do you want male-transwoman relations to be considered gay sex, or are you just arguing that it currently is?

[BeardedOne]

So, does that make me gay, straight or just smarter than the average bear?

I vote for the bear. :lol:

[BeardedOne]

IF IT WAS NOT GAY, GAY MEN WOULD NOT BE THE ONES PERFORMING IN SHEMALE PRON, BECAUSE MOST OF THEM ARE.

I'd like to get a consensus on that. There's an awful lot of guys out there that strongly proclaim how straight they are in between bouts of cocksucking. :lol:

[ezed]

Where the fuck is the three dollar bill? The horror....the horror....over and over again....

I'm leaving now...I'll be back later.

[suckseed]

Well, nerd....to each their own. remember the old analogy of five blind men describing an elephant as each stood at a different part of it? Each one described in succession the trunk, side, leg, tusk and tail. Their descriptions were entirely different...yet they were each right from their perspective.
I think, for me, the answer to this question is always really about two things.
One, what is the nature of the relationship, and two, in the final analysis, what does it matter?. I mean, really? What does it mean to prefer white or black or tall or big or little? You can't generalize anything by knowing anyone's preferences - it's subjective. Most adults that seek new things out will branch out from their known likes - for example, try Thai or Korean food. Many people will stick to the Black Eyed Pea and McDonald's. Some people will try anything. Some are happy marrying Mary Lou from high school and never looking back. For me, as someone who did that at 23, marriage was something I wasn't ready for.
It's so much more important when it comes to people that they're connecting at all than 'what it means.' Hell, I'm just hoping to meet someone that I like that likes me.