bin Laden Found - And No One Cares?

[Smog Boy]

A few days ago I read in a British newspaper that "officials" are pretty damn sure that bin Laden is hiding out in Northern Pakistan. Two of his closest bodyguards have been seen in the area and they jokingly mentioned that no one cares anymore.

OK, so we all knew that he skipped from Afganistan, over the border into Pakistan, even Bandar Bush has mentioned that he's not a priority, so WTF is going on?

Everyone knows and no-one cares anymore? Who wants to bet that if any special forces are in the area, the CIA'll get OBL out of there.

[White_Male_Canada]

Probably so.

If he`s boxed in and isolated then he`s most likely just that,isolated and merely a figure head.Perhaps the CIA drones are not allowed to fly in Pakistan.We do know rules of engagement are so ridiculous that often,terrorists get away when they are in gun sights.With Songbird McCain and other demanding Constitutional rights and full Geneva convention rights be given to illegal enemy combatants deserving none,then is it any wonder this battle will drag on for years to come.Imagine,they can`t even stop Iran from building nukes.We all know they`ll be launched at Israel.

Pakistan has always vasilated when the issue was terrorists,seemingly co-operating at times and other times letting hundreds of taliban prisoners free from their jails.

[chefmike]

Is The GOP Actively Aiding And Abetting Al Qaeda?

RJ Eskow

Let me get this straight: "Islamic fascism" is the greatest world threat since Nazism, Bin Laden is its Hitler ... and yet chasing him is not a priority. What's going on with the GOP's leadership? Do they want Al Qaeda to remain a threat to the US and its allies?


Think about it: Al Qaeda's actions saved an already-failed Bush Presidency and gave the Republicans total political control in 2002, and in return we've given it great publicity and a new recruiting grounds in Iraq.

With their heated rhetoric, our leaders elevated Bin Laden from a vile and desperate criminal to the de facto leader of world Islamic radicalism. It's just what he wanted - and they gave it to him.

They've also given him a free pass, time and time again - first at Tora Bora, later when they disbanded the CIA Bin Laden unit (reinstated by Democrats), and now with their most recent statement on the topic.

Yet Republicans like John Boehner continue to accuse Democrats of treason, despite their own party's pattern of being "soft on terrorist crime." (Thanks, John Kerry, for putting him in his place and pointing out the GOP's hypocrisy on the topic of civil discourse.)

District attorneys always ask cui bono - who benefits? - when investigating a crime. Who has benefited more from the actions of Al Qaeda than the GOP? The world was united against Bin Laden and radical Islam after 9/11.

Now, surveys indicate that the US is considered more dangerous worldwide than the extremists we're fighting. But the strategy that put us in this position - a position that greatly weakens our national security - has also created Republican political hegemony.

And what is that strategy? It's to heat up rhetoric against the Islamic world, then declare war on some Islamic states. Those states had nothing to do with the attacks against us, but attacking them serves two purposes: 1) It fits with a longstanding neoconservative agenda for the Middle East, and 2) it keeps Americans in a perpetual state of war-mindedness and fear. That's good for the GOP, bad for America.

And what if there is another attack? That's certainly possible, if not likely, given the GOP's ineptness abroad and its failure to aggressively pursue security measures here at home. Republican thinkers no doubt assume that another strike would work to their advantage, and they may well be right.

But here's the thing: I'm not going to stoop to their level. I don't think Republicans and conservatives are traitors. I think the vast majority of them are patriotic, loyal citizens who love their country and would do everything they can to protect it - just like Democrats and independents.

But as for Rove, Bush, Cheney et al? I have my genuine doubts. Do I think they're secretly funding and directing Al Qaeda? No. I'm not a conspiracy theorist about 9/11 or Bin Laden. (For one thing, they're such incompetent managers that they could never have gotten away with it.)

I will repeat what I said, however: The Republican party is soft on terrorism. Strong on attacking nations that had nothing to do with our terrorist attacks, but soft on actual terrorism. What did they do with Libya, the only state that's been directly linked to a terrorist act that killed Americans?

They endorsed a deal with its leader, Qaddafi, so that they could get a few minutes of good press. That deal had been on the table since well before 9/11 and the Bush Presidency, but they "spun" it as a Libyan change of heart as a result of the Bush "war on terror."

I think that blank look on Bush's face, and the seven minutes of paralysis, meant that he was thinking this: "Oh, my God. That memo that I blew off ... the one where I told the guy 'you've covered your ass, now get lost' ... the one I ignored ... it was true. And 10,000 people may be dead. I'll be impeached."

The confident Bush we saw a couple of days later was the one who had met with Rove and Cheney and been told, "We'll work with this. We'll spin this so that you come out a hero." No conspiracy there, except the conspiracy to put selfish interest over the needs of the country.

So is the Republican Party actively aiding and abetting Al Qaeda? No, but it's looking the other way while its leadership fails to take the action needed to protect us. Why? Because Republican politicians - at least most of them - care more about being re-elected than about keeping us safe.

And for that, John Boehner and the rest of them don't just deserve to lose. They deserve to be driven out of Washington in disgrace. Future generations will remember them with contempt - if they remember them at all.

this article and related footnote links here-
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rj-eskow/is-the-republican-party-a_b_29507.html
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[InHouston]

A few days ago I read in a British newspaper that "officials" are pretty damn sure that bin Laden is hiding out in Northern Pakistan. Two of his closest bodyguards have been seen in the area and they jokingly mentioned that no one cares anymore.

OK, so we all knew that he skipped from Afganistan, over the border into Pakistan, even Bandar Bush has mentioned that he's not a priority, so WTF is going on?

Everyone knows and no-one cares anymore? Who wants to bet that if any special forces are in the area, the CIA'll get OBL out of there.

You should change your name to 'Smog Brain'.

How can you know OBL escaped over the mountains into Pakistan, when no one knew where he was then or now?

President Bush told the media he didn't concern himself much with OBL any longer as a bluff to get him to relax and stick his head up somewhere so he could be nabbed. Hell, OBL is smarter than you and he knew Bush was bluffing on that one.

Why is your post titled Bin Laden Found -- And No One Cares, when only his bodyguards were (allegedly) spotted?

Get a clue man.

[Smog Boy]

President Bush told the media he didn't concern himself much with OBL any longer as a bluff to get him to relax and stick his head up somewhere so he could be nabbed.

You believe that? Sheesh! I shouldn't read in a newspaper that his closest bdyguards have been seen in Northern Pakistan, I should about a raid up there. The most wanted man in the world might be there and yet there's nothing about going there to check. Unless some form of Special Forces are looking there.

Bandar Bush is trying a ruse? OBL has served his purpose and he's just there until the CIA find a use for him. It was the CIA who gave The Taliban a billion dollars and put them in power. Fuckin' OBL is a tool for them, they might think they're great and mighty, but who's arming them? It's all funded by the CIA. They'll probably even help him out of NP if anyone investigates. Pretty much after 9/11 when the planes were all landed, except for members of the bin Laden family who were flown to wherever they wanted to go.

It's like no one cares anymore. That's a quote from one of the bodyguards who spoke to a former interviewer in NP

[Jamie Michelle]

A few days ago I read in a British newspaper that "officials" are pretty damn sure that bin Laden is hiding out in Northern Pakistan. Two of his closest bodyguards have been seen in the area and they jokingly mentioned that no one cares anymore.

OK, so we all knew that he skipped from Afganistan, over the border into Pakistan, even Bandar Bush has mentioned that he's not a priority, so WTF is going on?

Everyone knows and no-one cares anymore? Who wants to bet that if any special forces are in the area, the CIA'll get OBL out of there.

You should change your name to 'Smog Brain'.

How can you know OBL escaped over the mountains into Pakistan, when no one knew where he was then or now?

President Bush told the media he didn't concern himself much with OBL any longer as a bluff to get him to relax and stick his head up somewhere so he could be nabbed. Hell, OBL is smarter than you and he knew Bush was bluffing on that one.

Why is your post titled Bin Laden Found -- And No One Cares, when only his bodyguards were (allegedly) spotted?

Get a clue man.

Osama bin Laden died in December 2001. The October 2004 "Osama bin Laden" video tape used a more convincing-looking actor than the December 2001 "Osama bin Laden" video tape which used the "fat bin Laden" actor that didn't look hardly anything like Osama, but the actor in the October 2004 video still looks different than Osama bin Laden.

For more on the above, see the below articles:

"Osama bin Laden: A dead nemesis perpetuated by the US government”:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osama_dead.html

"Is the 2004 Bin Laden Video Tape A Fraud?":

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape2.html

"The Fake bin Laden Video Tape":

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape.html

"Report: Bin Laden Already Dead," FOX News, December 26, 2001:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,41576,00.html

"Mistranslated Osama bin Laden Video - the German Press Investigates," Craig Morris, Date Created 23 Dec 2001, Date Edited 18 Jun 2002:

http://dc.indymedia.org/newswire/display/16801

http://www.wdr.de/tv/monitor/pdf/011220b_laden.pdf


See also the below post by me:

Osama bin Laden Met with CIA Official in July in an American Hospital in Dubai
« on: March 25, 2003, 09:30:24 PM »

http://anti-state.com/forum/index.php?board=2;action=display;threadid=4633;sta rt=0


For more on government-staged terrorism, see the below post by me:

"Documentation on Government-Staged Terrorism," September 30, 2005:

http://www.armleg.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2&mforum=libertyandtruth

[Smog Boy]

Osama bin Laden died in December 2001. The October 2004 "Osama bin Laden" video tape used a more convincing-looking actor than the December 2001 "Osama bin Laden" video tape which used the "fat bin Laden" actor that didn't look hardly anything like Osama, but the actor in the October 2004 video still looks different than Osama bin Laden.


Sounds like a typical CIA trick. The golden goose is dead, so get an impersonator and keep the illusion going. That explains a lot about the seeming lack of interest. Thank you Jamie.

[Jamie Michelle]

Osama bin Laden died in December 2001. The October 2004 "Osama bin Laden" video tape used a more convincing-looking actor than the December 2001 "Osama bin Laden" video tape which used the "fat bin Laden" actor that didn't look hardly anything like Osama, but the actor in the October 2004 video still looks different than Osama bin Laden.


Sounds like a typical CIA trick. The golden goose is dead, so get an impersonator and keep the illusion going. That explains a lot about the seeming lack of interest. Thank you Jamie.

Yes, one could tell that the real Osama was on Death's door circa September-December 2001. He looked deathly gaunt, grey, weak, and wasn't moving his left arm. He looked as if he could literally drop over dead at any moment. He just about looked like a corpse. Whereas the "fat bin Laden" actor used in the phoney December 2001 "confession" video tape looks much younger and very healthy; as well as having a totally different nose-structure. The actor used in the October 2004 video tape looked more convincing that the phoney December 2001 "fat bin Laden" tape, but the actor used still looks different than the real Osama; for one thing, he looks older than the real Osama, yet still much healthier-looking; as well as having a noticeably different facial structure if one bothers to look closely enough.

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PRESIDENT Bush said yesterday that he wanted Osama bin Laden, the Saudi exile, "dead or alive" in some of the most bellicose language used by a White House occupant in recent years.

"I want justice," he said after a meeting at the Pentagon, where 188 people were killed last Tuesday when an airliner crashed into the building. "And there's an old poster out West that says, 'Wanted: Dead or Alive.' "

He then seemed to temper his remarks by adding: "All I want and America wants is to see them brought to justice. That's what we want."
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From "Bin Laden is wanted: dead or alive, says Bush," Toby Harnden, Telegraph (U.K.), September 18, 2001 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/09/18/wbush18.xml

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Q: But then you believe the threat that bin Laden posed won't truly be eliminated until he is found either dead or alive?

Bush: Well, as I say, we hadn't heard much from him. And I wouldn't necessarily say he's at the center of any command structure. And, you know, again, I don't know where he is. . . . I repeat what I said: I truly am not that concerned about him. . . .
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From "'It's Not Helpful What the Israelis Have Recently Done,'" Federal News Service via Washington Post, March 14, 2002; Page A20 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A24243-2002Mar13.html , "Press Conference by the President: The James S. Brady Briefing Room," Office of the Press Secretary, March 13, 2002 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

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A plot to carry out a large-scale terror attack against the United States in the near future is being directed by Osama bin Laden and other top al Qaeda members, senior intelligence officials said Thursday.
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From "Officials: Bin Laden guiding plots against U.S.--Ridge: Terrorists' aim is to influence presidential vote," Mike Ahlers, CNN, July 8, 2004 http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/07/08/ridge.alqaeda/

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"When [Osama bin Laden] says he's going to hurt the American people again, or try to, he means it," Bush told reporters after visiting the NSA, where the surveillance program is based. "I take it seriously, and the people of NSA take it seriously."
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From "Bush: Take bin Laden attack threat seriously--President rejects renewed criticism of warrantless spying program," Associated Press (AP), January 26, 2006 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11018747/

"Let Bin Laden stay free, says CIA man," Tony Allen-Mills, Sunday Times (U.K.), January 9, 2005 http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-1431539,00.html

"C.I.A. Closes Unit Focused on Capture of bin Laden," Mark Mazzetti, New York Times, July 4, 2006 http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/04/washington/04intel.html

"Osama bin Laden: A Weapon of Mass Convenience," WhatReallyHappened.com:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamabinladen_wmc.html

[White_Male_Canada]

President Bush told the media he didn't concern himself much with OBL any longer as a bluff to get him to relax and stick his head up somewhere so he could be nabbed.

You believe that? Sheesh! I shouldn't read in a newspaper that his closest bdyguards have been seen in Northern Pakistan, I should about a raid up there. The most wanted man in the world might be there and yet there's nothing about going there to check. Unless some form of Special Forces are looking there.

Bandar Bush is trying a ruse? OBL has served his purpose and he's just there until the CIA find a use for him. It was the CIA who gave The Taliban a billion dollars and put them in power. Fuckin' OBL is a tool for them, they might think they're great and mighty, but who's arming them? It's all funded by the CIA. They'll probably even help him out of NP if anyone investigates. Pretty much after 9/11 when the planes were all landed, except for members of the bin Laden family who were flown to wherever they wanted to go.

It's like no one cares anymore. That's a quote from one of the bodyguards who spoke to a former interviewer in NP


"...It was the CIA who gave The Taliban a billion dollars and put them in power..."

You can provide documentation to prove that,or are you confusing the Northern Alliance with the taliban and al-qaeda ?

Can`t trust Pakistan that much:

Pakistan: No safe harbor for bin Laden
Updated 9/6/2006 2:52 PM ET

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (AP) — Pakistan said Wednesday that a peace deal with Islamic militants in a border province would not give safe harbor to Osama bin Laden if he is found in the country.

Pakistan's government and militants — believed to support al-Qaeda and the Taliban militia — signed a peace deal Tuesday with the government, aimed at ending years of violence in the rugged North Waziristan tribal area.

Some observers had expressed concern the pact could provide a haven for militant leaders like bin Laden, who is believed to be hiding in the rugged border zone, or that it proves the Pakistani military unable to crush an insurgency on its own soil.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-09-06-pakistan-militants_x.htm

[Jamie Michelle]

President Bush told the media he didn't concern himself much with OBL any longer as a bluff to get him to relax and stick his head up somewhere so he could be nabbed.

You believe that? Sheesh! I shouldn't read in a newspaper that his closest bdyguards have been seen in Northern Pakistan, I should about a raid up there. The most wanted man in the world might be there and yet there's nothing about going there to check. Unless some form of Special Forces are looking there.

Bandar Bush is trying a ruse? OBL has served his purpose and he's just there until the CIA find a use for him. It was the CIA who gave The Taliban a billion dollars and put them in power. Fuckin' OBL is a tool for them, they might think they're great and mighty, but who's arming them? It's all funded by the CIA. They'll probably even help him out of NP if anyone investigates. Pretty much after 9/11 when the planes were all landed, except for members of the bin Laden family who were flown to wherever they wanted to go.

It's like no one cares anymore. That's a quote from one of the bodyguards who spoke to a former interviewer in NP


"...It was the CIA who gave The Taliban a billion dollars and put them in power..."

You can provide documentation to prove that,or are you confusing the Northern Alliance with the taliban and al-qaeda ?

Bush, Jr. has given the Taliban over 125 million dollars in the year of 2001, before the 9/11 attacks:

"Bush's Faustian Deal With the Taliban," Robert Scheer, Los Angeles Times, May 22, 2001 http://www.robertscheer.com/1_natcolumn/01_columns/052201.htm

"Afghanistan," Washington Post, September 15, 2001; Page A26 http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A34423-2001Sep14

"U.S. Taxpayers send Billions to our Enemies in Afghanistan," Congressman Ron Paul, Texas Straight Talk, November 5, 2001 http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2001/tst110501.htm

See also the below documentation resource:

http://www.bushnews.com/attack.htm

Indeed, the Taliban was created by the CIA:

"CIA worked in tandem with Pak to create Taliban," Indo-Asian News Service (IANS), March 7, 2001 http://www.timesofindia.com/today/07euro1.htm
http://web.archive.org/web/20010310083514/http://www.timesofindia.com/070301/07euro1.htm
http://www.multiline.com.au/~johnm/taliban.htm

[White_Male_Canada]

President Bush told the media he didn't concern himself much with OBL any longer as a bluff to get him to relax and stick his head up somewhere so he could be nabbed.

You believe that? Sheesh! I shouldn't read in a newspaper that his closest bdyguards have been seen in Northern Pakistan, I should about a raid up there. The most wanted man in the world might be there and yet there's nothing about going there to check. Unless some form of Special Forces are looking there.

Bandar Bush is trying a ruse? OBL has served his purpose and he's just there until the CIA find a use for him. It was the CIA who gave The Taliban a billion dollars and put them in power. Fuckin' OBL is a tool for them, they might think they're great and mighty, but who's arming them? It's all funded by the CIA. They'll probably even help him out of NP if anyone investigates. Pretty much after 9/11 when the planes were all landed, except for members of the bin Laden family who were flown to wherever they wanted to go.

It's like no one cares anymore. That's a quote from one of the bodyguards who spoke to a former interviewer in NP


"...It was the CIA who gave The Taliban a billion dollars and put them in power..."

You can provide documentation to prove that,or are you confusing the Northern Alliance with the taliban and al-qaeda ?

Bush, Jr. has given the Taliban over 125 million dollars in the year of 2001, before the 9/11 attacks:

"Bush's Faustian Deal With the Taliban," Robert Scheer, Los Angeles Times, May 22, 2001 http://www.robertscheer.com/1_natcolumn/01_columns/052201.htm



Do you know who robert scheer is ?

The Taliban are widely alleged to be the creation of Pakistan's military intelligence. Experts say that explains the Taliban's swift military successes

http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9610/05/taleban/

The Taliban, who overran most of Afghanistan in 1996, are a militia driven by an extremely harsh Medieval interpretation of Sunni Islam. Backed by Pakistan and funded by Saudi Arabia

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,175372,00.html

The Taliban's close ties with the Deobandi schools and in turn their association with JUI and its links with the religious, military, and political establishments of Pakistan and Saudi Arabia have been prime sources of political, financial and military aid for the group.

http://www.institute-for-afghan-studies.org/AFGHAN%20CONFLICT/TALIBAN/intro_kakar.htm

[Jamie Michelle]

President Bush told the media he didn't concern himself much with OBL any longer as a bluff to get him to relax and stick his head up somewhere so he could be nabbed.

You believe that? Sheesh! I shouldn't read in a newspaper that his closest bdyguards have been seen in Northern Pakistan, I should about a raid up there. The most wanted man in the world might be there and yet there's nothing about going there to check. Unless some form of Special Forces are looking there.

Bandar Bush is trying a ruse? OBL has served his purpose and he's just there until the CIA find a use for him. It was the CIA who gave The Taliban a billion dollars and put them in power. Fuckin' OBL is a tool for them, they might think they're great and mighty, but who's arming them? It's all funded by the CIA. They'll probably even help him out of NP if anyone investigates. Pretty much after 9/11 when the planes were all landed, except for members of the bin Laden family who were flown to wherever they wanted to go.

It's like no one cares anymore. That's a quote from one of the bodyguards who spoke to a former interviewer in NP


"...It was the CIA who gave The Taliban a billion dollars and put them in power..."

You can provide documentation to prove that,or are you confusing the Northern Alliance with the taliban and al-qaeda ?

Bush, Jr. has given the Taliban over 125 million dollars in the year of 2001, before the 9/11 attacks:

"Bush's Faustian Deal With the Taliban," Robert Scheer, Los Angeles Times, May 22, 2001 http://www.robertscheer.com/1_natcolumn/01_columns/052201.htm



Do you know who robert scheer is ?

The Taliban are widely alleged to be the creation of Pakistan's military intelligence. Experts say that explains the Taliban's swift military successes

http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9610/05/taleban/

The Taliban, who overran most of Afghanistan in 1996, are a militia driven by an extremely harsh Medieval interpretation of Sunni Islam. Backed by Pakistan and funded by Saudi Arabia

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,175372,00.html

The Taliban's close ties with the Deobandi schools and in turn their association with JUI and its links with the religious, military, and political establishments of Pakistan and Saudi Arabia have been prime sources of political, financial and military aid for the group.

http://www.institute-for-afghan-studies.org/AFGHAN%20CONFLICT/TALIBAN/intro_kakar.htm

You're just backing up what I already told you. Thank you. I'll save your links to my hard drive because I found them quite helpful to my case.

Pakistan and Saudi Arabia both have been long-time puppets of the U.S. government. When the U.S. government tells them to jump, they ask How high?

[guyone]

Where are the receipts?