the fall of Sienna Grace

[fuckstudent]

So sad to see her in that state:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F9iTTujXSU

I wish she would understand that there are people out there with whom she could enjoy life (i dont talk about sex) and who would care about her. But when real depression hits you, you think there is no hope.

[Chaos]

I know how she feels. I'm in the same boat. I don't go out,I don't have friends. I'm stuck where I'm at too...
The problem is she gave up before even trying.She just accepts it as how it's going to be. My dad told me the same things hers did,but I defied him..I HAD to.
Sure, I still have the same issues but I still try to prove people wrong....

She thinks her ambition was stolen but she doesn't see that she's still here....despite all the shit....she's still going. I'd talk to her but I'm not sure she'd want to hear the truth of it or what it takes...

[Nikka]

the title of this thread sounds like TMZ breaking news "rise and fall of an american pornstar"

[SanDiegoPervySage]

Didn't watch it all but she looks REALLY unhealthy right now. Hopefully she gets the help she needs.

[Dudedude12345]

She should take a vacation or go camping or anything. Depression is serious and it leads to a lot worse.

[runningdownthatdream]

I know how she feels. I'm in the same boat. I don't go out,I don't have friends. I'm stuck where I'm at too...
The problem is she gave up before even trying.She just accepts it as how it's going to be. My dad told me the same things hers did,but I defied him..I HAD to.
Sure, I still have the same issues but I still try to prove people wrong....

She thinks her ambition was stolen but she doesn't see that she's still here....despite all the shit....she's still going. I'd talk to her but I'm not sure she'd want to hear the truth of it or what it takes...

With all due respect, your first statement disqualifies you from talking with anyone in a depressive state. Most of your comments here involving yourself are negative and depressing so you yourself are in severe need of uplifting. I wish you success but please don't try providing emotional support to depressed people until you yourself kick the habit.

[runningdownthatdream]

So sad to see her in that state:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F9iTTujXSU

I wish she would understand that there are people out there with whom she could enjoy life (i dont talk about sex) and who would care about her. But when real depression hits you, you think there is no hope.

The depressed have to become self-aware first, learn to recognize when an episode is coming on, and proactively take steps to counter which may include changing environment (even if only temporarily) changing diet, and making an effort to be active. What I've observed though is that the WILL to head off the depressive state seems to be missing from some people - I think it becomes a sort of metaphysical blanket that a person can retreat into to wallow in misery. The important thing is to understand yourself and what works for you.

[nysprod]

Not claiming to be an expert, and with all due respect, she needs some professional help

[thenicerguy]

Prozac saved my life. Great stuff with no side effects.

[Fitzcarraldo]

She's looking for help. She has many physical health issues as well, none of which she's shy about posting. She's stopped smoking weed and dealing with the aftereffects of that.

If she gets the help she needs, this could be the beginning of the rise of Sienna Grace.

[Chaos]

With all due respect, your first statement disqualifies you from talking with anyone in a depressive state. Most of your comments here involving yourself are negative and depressing so you yourself are in severe need of uplifting. I wish you success but please don't try providing emotional support to depressed people until you yourself kick the habit. Disqualified....that's funny. I don't need uplifting,I don't NEED anything. But yeah...I can see how talking to someone that has been there and done that could be a bad thing....No wait,I don't. Also you should realize that MOST of those posts are YEARS old....But hey....judge me NOW for something almost 5 years old.....Also I CHOOSE not to go out, I'm still a bouncer,still get to see drunk people at their worst,so yeah,I stay home. I have no friends because they all work normal day jobs and I don't.I'm stuck where I'm at because I can't afford to move away...yet. I realize that there wasn't much going on in between my posts then and me being here now...But I'm not the same guy anymore...Not radically different,but not the guy I used to be. I learned a few new tricks to keep from being that guy..

[Chaos]

. She's stopped smoking weed and dealing with the aftereffects of that.



There's definitely more going on there than just weed...Weed won't make you skeletal and gaunt like that. It also helps treat depression,anxiety,and social phobia (all of which she seems to have in some form) Now the effects COULD be increased symptoms of those 3...as it does tend to dull the sensations of those symptoms until you quit...making it FEEL worse,but there are either other drugs involved or something else she hasn't talked about is making her look like that...

[youngblood61]

Wow, shocking.

[Fitzcarraldo]

There's definitely more going on there than just weed...Weed won't make you skeletal and gaunt like that. It also helps treat depression,anxiety,and social phobia (all of which she seems to have in some form) Now the effects COULD be increased symptoms of those 3...as it does tend to dull the sensations of those symptoms until you quit...making it FEEL worse,but there are either other drugs involved or something else she hasn't talked about is making her look like that...

She has psoriasis and food allergies as well. She also had an infection after a recent surgery. She posts about all this stuff.

[parts25]

She has been on webcam saying these same things for a long time now. She looks much older with bags under her eyes. She should be having the time of her life right now at her age and with the opportunities she has just on the internet alone these days. Whether it's drugs, depression, or whatever else she is young and has plenty of time to figure it all out and change her life. I wish her the best what else can you do.

[natina]

Prozac can cause ED,hair loss,.......


Prozac saved my life. Great stuff with no side effects.

[lee442]

The best cure for my depression episode was doing something completely out of my comfort zone (extremely out of my comfort zone).

I made a crazy 10 second thought become reality. The next day I ended up flying from the UK to Canada and living in the woods and under a waterfall for 9 days straight living off salmon. I'm 100% serious.
Incredibly dangerous and frighting for a while, but It is without a doubt the most amazing experience of my life. More importantly, it was the exact thing I needed to kill my depression in it's tracks.
You could say the decision was suicidal, and maybe it was to an extent, but it become so much more.

I must stress, this is not a joke post. We do some crazy things when depressed and nothing is off limits. Unfortunately for some, this can lead to bad things. I hope whatever she does helps her snap out of it.

P.S. If you decide on going into the wilderness 50+ miles away from any other human life... take a little more than a knife and a lighter. If I didn't get lucky with a fresh unlimited supply of lake water, I'd be dead.

[TS Evelyn Summers]

Sienna Must Make a LOT of Money.....Houses, And Mustangs....And Things...A VERY Comfortable Living She Has....I Had No Idea The Porn Business Was So Gosh Darn Lucrative!

[MrFanti]

Sienna Must Make a LOT of Money.....Houses, And Mustangs....And Things...A VERY Comfortable Living She Has....I Had No Idea The Porn Business Was So Gosh Darn Lucrative!

Here are the top moneymakers from 2013:
http://www.therichest.com/rich-list/most-popular/the-10-richest-female-porn-stars-of-2013/

[giovanni_hotel]

Prozac saved my life. Great stuff with no side effects.


I just got a script for 20 mg Prozac caps a week ago and I'm already reaping the benefits.
People really need to if possible try to get help when they feel themselves spiraling.

Antidepressant meds nowadays can really help prevent you from crashing and burning inside your own head.

[Ultron]

Its really sad to see someone so beautiful in so much...pain...

Nothing I say or do can help her...I only hope she gets the help
& friends she needs...

[parts25]

Sienna Must Make a LOT of Money.....Houses, And Mustangs....And Things...A VERY Comfortable Living She Has....I Had No Idea The Porn Business Was So Gosh Darn Lucrative!

Most seem to make their money thru webcamming and prostitution these days rather than porn. Sienna is very open about it as are most others.

[nitron]

For some people psychiatry ,and the current medical treatments, help. For others, it doesn't.
I think it's not enough to just go and talk to someone, you need someone who is in your corner. Usually ill people, also can use help in other areas of there life , because trouble travels in a pack.
Maybe help with getting housing or help navigate the usual bureaucracies ,paperwork...etc. A therapist who helps out with other problems logistically.
It's more than the system will or can provide? That's the real question.
Personally I see mental illness and health like were all wild fruit , full of natural uneven curve and distortion.
Look at supermarket fruit versus real ones from a wild tree. The Natural ones are visually imperfect.
And than there's the environment were all born into! That's another Monstrosity. To paraphrase,
Thomas Szasz, "....Life's the problem".
It doesn't help that Society reflects the ..Red , tooth 'n claw of Nature. Like a macabre mirror image.
Which makes me think, when professionals insist on getting payed . Ware's the love?
Has it cured anybody? Maybe that's all this ol world can do for now.

[nitron]

Maybe the World needs a therapist because it's so fucked up.
I'm pretty sure a mentally healthy civilization, would not allow for even old fashion Pollution like toxic sewage runoff to exist.
But the World is too messed up to create a proper one.

[nitron]

My question is.Which branch of the Mentally Ill are running the world? Any guesses?

[skribble1]

Checked her youtube to see if things are better. She still appears to be depressed.

[dirtrail]

This. Absolutely correct. One of the most rewarding things you can do for yourself is challenge yourself. I mean really challenge yourself. You learn a lot about yourself and the subsequent drug free high can last for months.


The best cure for my depression episode was doing something completely out of my comfort zone (extremely out of my comfort zone).

I made a crazy 10 second thought become reality. The next day I ended up flying from the UK to Canada and living in the woods and under a waterfall for 9 days straight living off salmon. I'm 100% serious.
Incredibly dangerous and frighting for a while, but It is without a doubt the most amazing experience of my life. More importantly, it was the exact thing I needed to kill my depression in it's tracks.
You could say the decision was suicidal, and maybe it was to an extent, but it become so much more.

I must stress, this is not a joke post. We do some crazy things when depressed and nothing is off limits. Unfortunately for some, this can lead to bad things. I hope whatever she does helps her snap out of it.

P.S. If you decide on going into the wilderness 50+ miles away from any other human life... take a little more than a knife and a lighter. If I didn't get lucky with a fresh unlimited supply of lake water, I'd be dead.

[youngblood61]

Hope she get's some help.

[Nikka]

3.5 hours video WTF? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNJuEGf5Tkw

not even BEN HUR is that long

[skribble1]

She's got a really nice house in Vegas and bad ass cars. How is this all being paid for..........................

[Nikka]

She's got a really nice house in Vegas and bad ass cars. How is this all being paid for..........................

:whistle:

[SanDiegoPervySage]

She's got a really nice house in Vegas and bad ass cars. How is this all being paid for..........................

sugar daddy

[BostonBad]

Is she disease free?

[skribble1]

sugar daddy

I would imagine sugar daddy(s) would be plenty upset she cut that sweet dick off.

[SanDiegoPervySage]

I would imagine sugar daddy(s) would be plenty upset she cut that sweet dick off.

Depends. He may have helped fund some of her transition, or he just may not care

[parts25]

She's got a really nice house in Vegas and bad ass cars. How is this all being paid for..........................

Her main business seems to be escorting and prostitution. In fact, she seemed to use her webcam primarily to promote herself for it. She would be on her webcam trying to make money until she got a call on an ad and had to split. I'm sure she has sugar daddies as well. Not a healthy lifestyle or career choice in the long run.

[skribble1]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8j_ceIy5Ko8

rough day today

[Fitzcarraldo]

Her main business seems to be escorting and prostitution. In fact, she seemed to use her webcam primarily to promote herself for it. She would be on her webcam trying to make money until she got a call on an ad and had to split. I'm sure she has sugar daddies as well. Not a healthy lifestyle or career choice in the long run.

And how would you lead her life?

[BostonBad]

More men need to give her head and make her happy.

[parts25]

I could care less. Just stating the obvious from what I've seen

[filghy2]

Her main business seems to be escorting and prostitution. In fact, she seemed to use her webcam primarily to promote herself for it. She would be on her webcam trying to make money until she got a call on an ad and had to split.

Could it be that escorting pays more per hour than webcamming? If so then what do you expect her to do?

[skribble1]

Ummm. Her dick is gone. I don't see the escorting being lucrative anymore.

[skribble1]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zn08Ukyt118&feature=youtu.be&a=

skimmed through the whole two hours.she says she's got autoimmune disease. still claims she doesn't find joy in life.. her dog looks very happy and playful.

[skribble1]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdX8GAkINaY&feature=youtu.be&a=

2:44 Claims at her peak she made 20 thousand dollars a month now she makes nothing. Hmmmmmmmmmm

[Fitzcarraldo]

...

2:44 Claims at her peak she made 20 thousand dollars a month now she makes nothing. Hmmmmmmmmmm

And?

[maninnyc]

...

skimmed through the whole two hours.she says she's got autoimmune disease. still claims she doesn't find joy in life.. her dog looks very happy and playful.

at what point does she talk about autoimmune disease?

[skribble1]

hmmm, she escorting again?

https://i.imgur.com/CCJH5Xc.jpg

[Cereal Escapist]

...

2:44 Claims at her peak she made 20 thousand dollars a month now she makes nothing. Hmmmmmmmmmm

Investing for the future is unfortunately not something everyone understands.

[Fitzcarraldo]

hmmm, she escorting again?

https://i.imgur.com/CCJH5Xc.jpg

You obviously haven't bothered to watch any of her recent videos. It is physically impossible for her to escort currently.

[skribble1]

just wondering because of this on her Twitter

1065082

i'm guessing "e mail for appointments =)" doesn't mean an appointment to sit and pet her dog.

[Fitzcarraldo]

just wondering because of this on her Twitter

1065082

i'm guessing "e mail for appointments =)" doesn't mean an appointment to sit and pet her dog.

She probably hasn't updated that in a very long time. But hey, email her and see. That would be quicker than listening to what she has to say in pretty much every video.

[KelliBlueEyes]

Ummm. Her dick is gone. I don't see the escorting being lucrative anymore.

There are post-op escorts that do ok

[parts25]

After making over $20K per month she should be worth millions by now so she shouldn't have anything to worry about

[youngblood61]

As much as some don't wanna hear, the attraction was her cock. Now that it's gone she probably isn't in demand as much.

[skribble1]

As much as some don't wanna hear, the attraction was her cock. Now that it's gone she probably isn't in demand as much.

She has an amazing athletic tanned body, beautiful face after the plastic surgery but of course the attraction was the cock, which was glorious.

Still incredibly jealous of that dude here who got to suck it.

[orange99]

Whats wrong with getting a normal job or going to college, meeting people at work/college and paying your bills.
You don't have to be ceo of microsoft, just get something to occupy your time, perhaps if you are rich volunteer for charity work instead.

[dreamon]

Whats wrong with getting a normal job or going to college, meeting people at work/college and paying your bills.
You don't have to be ceo of microsoft, just get something to occupy your time, perhaps if you are rich volunteer for charity work instead.

There is still a fair amount of discrimination against transgender people in the workplace. You need not look any further than what is going on with our military currently.

[orange99]

I don't know what parts of the military are being effected, but not all trans are emotionally stable (sorry) and when we are talking about counting on someone to maybe save my life in a stressful situation sometimes we can't pander to equality, but in normal day to day jobs we should have stricter laws.

Sienna is streaming on mixer as sinnergrace if anyone is bored and wants to pick her spirits up once and a while.

mixer/sinnergrace

[Instrumental]

That's sad. I can't really relate because I revel in solitude. There are so many different things the world has to offer and enjoy and learn so being alone has never made me feel lonely. That being said, the LGBT community is vast and it seems like she could make accepting friends that way.

[Ghostface]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zn08Ukyt118&feature=youtu.be&a=

skimmed through the whole two hours.she says she's got autoimmune disease. still claims she doesn't find joy in life.. her dog looks very happy and playful.

Yes l thought that. She should stop the drugs and get some fresh air walking him!

Easy for me to say though..

She looked great in her porn make up back in the day...

[dreamon]

but not all trans are emotionally stable

Like that's different than anyone else? Kanye West and Donald Trump are both very prominent examples of extreme emotional instability, and both are cisgender.

[filghy2]

I don't know what parts of the military are being effected, but not all trans are emotionally stable (sorry) and when we are talking about counting on someone to maybe save my life in a stressful situation sometimes we can't pander to equality, but in normal day to day jobs we should have stricter laws.


It's odd that you focus on this when you have a commander-in-chief who is obviously not emotionally stable. I'm sure the military screens recruits for psychiatric stability, so it's no argument for excluding a whole class of people. There's no such process for presidential candidates unfortunately.

[skribble1]

Back on track before more Trump talk

[tgirllover1]

She has an amazing athletic tanned body, beautiful face after the plastic surgery but of course the attraction was the cock, which was glorious.

Still incredibly jealous of that dude here who got to suck it.

haha. that would be me. it was sweet even though she only let me for 10 minutes max

[Fitzcarraldo]

haha. that would be me. it was sweet even though she only let me for 10 minutes max

Yeah, because you were broke.

[orange99]

I upset some snowflakes.
If I have the choice I will take the red neck who is hanging his victims ears round his neck in any war, lol

[orange99]

You can delete my above post, thread should be about Sienna, my bad.

[Nick Danger]

Thread title is a bit melodramatic. Seems to me it's just a person going through the same existential crisis we all face. We don't all make videos about it or have a following to watch them, but anyone worth knowing has lived through the "Is this all there is?" phase of adulthood.

Sienna's problems are nothing new. At some point she'll have to decide whether life is worth living on its own terms, and people are worth knowing on theirs.

[skribble1]

haha. that would be me. it was sweet even though she only let me for 10 minutes max

Sir, words can't express how jealous I am of you. She easily had one of the top most 5 glorious dicks of all time. You know how they say it's not healthy to live with regret? I will never stop drowning in the ocean of regret for not seeing her preop while she lived here in LA. :cry:

[tgirllover1]

it was nice. but to be honest, i think the thai ladyboys or asian ladyboys in general are the best - both overall and the cock. some cocks that are even slightly smaller than sienna's are just as nice, if not nicer to suck on. some have great proportionate shapes, great color and perfect cock heads. i've sucked some nice ones here in l.a. as well as in bangkok. i'm' going to bangkok in about a month for the second time ever. first trip was six years ago. looking forward to some heavenly mongering for five or six solid nights. if there are trip reports on this forum, i'll try to post some pics of my antics.

[Samuel2318]

Oh no that's not so great to see

[SXFX]

the issue is this....a career in the adult industry is a one way street.
for the amount of hours you put in the pay is high.
the having fans is also a very nice bonus
however that said what most women in the industry do not understand is that they are gambling with scared money.
looks face, fans leave and times moves on.
with anything else in this industry if you can survive a year you are good, two years you are amazing...so you better find yourself a nice guy with a deep wallet who can take care of you or.............yeah it's sad.

[SXFX]

...i knew this older poetry professor....amazing guy....was 60 and only dated 19yo to 25yo women
we once asked him why women were so fucking nuts.
his answer
they are gambling with scared money
every bet they make in life is based on barrowed money ..... aka their looks their bodies and the intangible commodity of youth.
every hour of every day another cute young girl turns 19 and slowly pushes them up and off their seat and closer to the edge.
eventually around 30 or so they are no longer top tear and no one is buying them drinks or even looking their way.
by 40 they are invisible
do you know how many gorgeous women over 40 are single and never married?
they made bad bets they over valued themselves and gambled all their barrowed money away
so you tell me what would you want to be? gambling with money that goes up in value every year? or with money that you barrowed from some italian guys as you walked into the casino?

[skribble1]

...i knew this older poetry professor....amazing guy....was 60 and only dated 19yo to 25yo women
we once asked him why women were so fucking nuts.
his answer
they are gambling with scared money
every bet they make in life is based on barrowed money ..... aka their looks their bodies and the intangible commodity of youth.
every hour of every day another cute young girl turns 19 and slowly pushes them up and off their seat and closer to the edge.
eventually around 30 or so they are no longer top tear and no one is buying them drinks or even looking their way.
by 40 they are invisible
do you know how many gorgeous women over 40 are single and never married?
they made bad bets they over valued themselves and gambled all their barrowed money away
so you tell me what would you want to be? gambling with money that goes up in value every year? or with money that you barrowed from some italian guys as you walked into the casino?

Jesus. This is what the kids today call 'truth bombs'

[Fitzcarraldo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlzPEWOczMU

[skribble1]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RY1iYZsZxFI


the surgeries continue

[Fitzcarraldo]

She's streaming live on YouTube right now.

[skribble1]

She's streaming live on YouTube right now.

I saw some of it. She supposedly lives with someone she said, who co signed for the house or something. The plot thickens...................

[MrFanti]

The plot thickens...................
There is no "plot"....
She's just living her life how she chooses to.....

[BellaBellucci]

I find this thread incredibly distasteful.

All the best to Sienna.

~B

[MrFanti]

I find this thread incredibly distasteful.
~B
Agreed 100%!

[skribble1]

I find this thread incredibly distasteful.

All the best to Sienna.

~B

Sorry we're talking about a former pornstar who Vlogs their life to literally thousands of people every week.

[Steve-Oh]

She's had a botched surgery and is super bummed out about it (who wouldn't be?!) but is recovering slowly and seems to be improving and growing. She seems really sweet and nice and I wish her the best.

[dirtrail]

Lots of truth in that.
...i knew this older poetry professor....amazing guy....was 60 and only dated 19yo to 25yo women
we once asked him why women were so fucking nuts.
his answer
they are gambling with scared money
every bet they make in life is based on barrowed money ..... aka their looks their bodies and the intangible commodity of youth.
every hour of every day another cute young girl turns 19 and slowly pushes them up and off their seat and closer to the edge.
eventually around 30 or so they are no longer top tear and no one is buying them drinks or even looking their way.
by 40 they are invisible
do you know how many gorgeous women over 40 are single and never married?
they made bad bets they over valued themselves and gambled all their barrowed money away
so you tell me what would you want to be? gambling with money that goes up in value every year? or with money that you barrowed from some italian guys as you walked into the casino?

[MrFanti]

Sorry we're talking about a former pornstar who Vlogs their life to literally thousands of people every week.
So why didn't you start a "success" thread earlier during her career?
Or are you only interested in the "fall"...?

[Montoya1347]

So sad to see her in that state:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F9iTTujXSU

I wish she would understand that there are people out there with whom she could enjoy life (i dont talk about sex) and who would care about her. But when real depression hits you, you think there is no hope.
Hi sienna; i just want to say i wish you well in your situation that youre currently dealing with. Im not going to pretend to know what your going thru, but i see in your eyes the sadness that you feel. God bless you