Study: Men Want TG's to Get Hard and Orgasm Because It Makes Them Feel Manly

[nysprod]

According to new research, a chaser's insistence on making a transgender woman get hard and come may have more to do with him viewing the TG erection and orgasm as a "masculinity achievement" than with her sexual satisfaction.

A study (http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00224499.2017.1283484) published last month in the Journal of Sex Research found that men view the shemale's hard penis and orgasm as an opportunity to confirm their manhood. These findings, courtesy of two University of Michigan researchers, suggest that men who think sexually pleasing transgender women is important are really doing it to please themselves.

Thanks to the sexual scripts society assigns people, men often feel like they have to "prove themselves through symbolically masculine achievements," the study's authors write. Because previous research has shown men gleaning sexual satisfaction from a transgender woman getting hard and coming, the authors were interested in finding out if men view shemale orgasms as a "masculinity achievement."

Moreover, the study's results "could be interpreted to support notion that the increased attention to a transgender's erection and orgasms, often lauded as the symbol of transgender sexual liberation, actually reflects a repackaging of transgender sexuality in the service of men" and that "a reevaluation of transgender erections and orgasms as symbols of sexual health and liberation is sorely needed."

[Fitzcarraldo]

Well, it's certainly a visible sign of a partner's arousal. It's not like they can fake it.

[nysprod]

Well, it's certainly a visible sign of a partner's arousal. It's not like they can fake it.

Yes but the point is men view that as a sign of their own masculinity

[Laphroaig]

Is the "study" link in your post going to the wrong article?

It links to this article: Do Women’s Orgasms Function as a Masculinity Achievement for Men?

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00224499.2017.1283484

No mention (that I can see of shemales)

[nysprod]

I extrapolated the findings to include tg's because it's ultimately the same thing.

[Laphroaig]

I extrapolated the findings to include tg's because it's ultimately the same thing.

Ok, so for "extrapolated", read "made up". You really should have made that clear to begin with and not "quoted" research that doesn't actually exist. We've got enough fake news these days as it is...

[nysprod]

This isn't fake at all, it's simply an alternative interpretation of the study.

[Laphroaig]

This isn't fake at all, it's simply an alternative interpretation of the study.

It is fake as you presented your interpretations as if they were the actual results of a study all about transgenders, even including quotes that don't exist. Why don't you ask the researchers how they feel about being completely misquoted? I know I'd be pissed off if anyone tried that with anything I'd published.

20 years in research taught me a few things, one of which is always check the source material...

[MrFanti]

Nothing really new here....men want genetic females to also orgasm....

In fact, regardless of sex, what person doesn't want their partner to orgasm? - IMHO, nobody.....
I.E., Lesbians want their partners orgasm, gay men want their partners to orgasm...genetic females want their men to orgasm....

[Laphroaig]

Nothing really new here....men want genetic females to also orgasm....

In fact, regardless of sex, what person doesn't want their partner to orgasm? - IMHO, nobody.....
I.E., Lesbians want their partners orgasm, gay men want their partners to orgasm...genetic females want their men to orgasm....

Spot on.

[nysprod]

Hetero men want females and tg's to come for the same reason. I can't see how it could be interpreted any differently.

[nysprod]

Nothing really new here....men want genetic females to also orgasm....

In fact, regardless of sex, what person doesn't want their partner to orgasm? - IMHO, nobody.....
I.E., Lesbians want their partners orgasm, gay men want their partners to orgasm...genetic females want their men to orgasm....

Yes but the study proved the reason why.

[broncofan]

Maybe it is possible to generalize the findings that men view arousal in a partner as confirmation of their masculinity. The problem is that you make it sound like the article was uniquely attempting to explain attraction to ts'. Maybe women view men's arousal as confirmation of their femininity.

But without the article anyone could infer that people see their partner's gratification as self-affirming, and it affirms the person in whatever way they want to be seen or think their partner sees them.

[nysprod]

That's your interpretation. The findings are applicable to tg's.

[Laphroaig]

That's your interpretation. The findings are applicable to tg's.

Your interpretation/extension is logical, but your presentation of it is appalling. The findings may be applicable, but the current study does not show it. This is exactly how fake news starts, someone adding their own spin and presenting it as facts...:banghead

I could write a paper proving an apple is an apple. A logical interpretation/extension of that would be an orange is an orange, but until proven, it would be just a theory.:shrug

[lifeisfiction]

Sorry Prod, unless the research was specifically targeting a particular group over generalization can be dangerous. One has to be careful when applying a study as a generalization. I would say the study aptly applies to genetic woman sexual interaction with genetic men. It is easy to assume the motivations during sex maybe similar, but the expectations for transgender partners are different. This makes the study difficult to be applied. For example, a transgender mtf partner may be incapable of achieving an erection or the traditional orgasm due hormone treatment. This would change the outcome of your conclusion. Nor it would be expected to for someone to believe an anal orgasm can be achieved in the same manner as a vaginal orgasm. And this is just some of variations to be expected when applying the study to a different group. Generalization from research targeting a specific groups cannot be easily applied to all groups without certain considerations.

[nysprod]

I stand by the conclusions of the study, which are applicable to men and tg's.
Factoid: chasers give high mark's to escorts who get hard and come while giving poor Mark's to those who don't.

[lifeisfiction]

I stand by the conclusions of the study, which are applicable to men and tg's.
Factoid: chasers give high mark's to escorts who get hard and come while giving poor Mark's to those who don't.

On the surface that would be true, but it would need proper research to say it's true. I have seen women who I knew couldn't cum (I know this prior) and some who didn't get hard. Did that diminish my experience of course not. And even in a non pay for play situation, the expectations during sex were different. In the situations where a person advertises they can cum and get hard and fail do so I see no reason why a person would get excellent score especially when their expectations was not met. Looking at it from pay for play versus a non pay for play the expectations can again be different. I know you want to glean some relevance from the study I find the study wouldn't fit most situations.

Oh by the way in the premise of the research, it does not take into account that in both parties have the need to have the other person satisfied by both women and men may be part and could be seen as part of the perception of enjoyment. The study concludes to quickly that inherently men's motivations for a women orgasm is about self-validation and neglects to take into account about sex be pleasurable to both parties. In fact it assumes women do not take into account if a man orgasm is expected by women. There are studies that discuss the perception of man not having a erection or achieve orgasm can lead women feeling as if they are unattractive and or something is wrong when neither is the case. It's interesting study, but it has a few issues that needs to be addressed on a whole.

Of course you can take my thoughts and throw it out the window lol.

[nysprod]

Your interpretation/extension is logical, but your presentation of it is appalling. The findings may be applicable, but the current study does not show it.

Really? Trans girls are women and certainly we see them that way. Why? Because as we know, the fact they have male genitalia doesn't make a difference in their gender. Therefore, the findings of this study are applicable.


On the surface that would be true, but it would need proper research to say it's true. I have seen women who I knew couldn't cum (I know this prior) and some who didn't get hard. Did that diminish my experience of course not.

Of course you can take my thoughts and throw it out the window lol.

Not at all, I want the input. First, the study didn't say a man's experience was diminished if the woman doesn't come. Second, and be honest, if given a choice (with all other things being equal) you'll take the tranny with a nice hard one over one who can't rise to the occasion.

[IluvemHung]

Life is like a box of transexual escorts, you'll never know what your gonna get!

[dreamon]

I extrapolated the findings to include tg's because it's ultimately the same thing.

That's not how scientific research works.

I wish Donald Trump hadn't ruined the term fake news, because this is fake news.

[nysprod]

That's not how scientific research works.

I wish Donald Trump hadn't ruined the term fake news, because this is fake news.

Science based on surveys isn't science. There are all kinds of ways to twist surveys around to make them say anything you want.

I look at it this way; whether a guy is hetero, gay, or into trannies, he wants to make his partner come

I mean, come on who wouldn't want to make her cum all over

https://i.imgsafe.org/337a196537.jpg

[SanDiegoPervySage]

I like the girls I fuck to get off. It's not a trans thing with me. I just means I know how to fuck. Like being told you're attractive or smart, being considered a good fuck is an ego boost.

[Laphroaig]

Really? Trans girls are women and certainly we see them that way. Why? Because as we know, the fact they have male genitalia doesn't make a difference in their gender. Therefore, the findings of this study are applicable.


Why alter the text of the study to state trans girls then, why not just leave it as women in general? Their male genitalia may not make a difference to their gender, but it certainly makes a big difference to the "chasers" you also mention in your OP. Just look at all the attention big cocks get on here. Then there's those who actively seek "heavy cummers" or just want to swallow shemale cum. Do they want the girl to cum for her enjoyment or purely to satisfy their own particular kink?


Science based on surveys isn't science. There are all kinds of ways to twist surveys around to make them say anything you want.



So, you dismiss the survey as pseudo science but continue to state that it proves your right? That argument is flawed, you can't have it both ways.

[holzz]

these studies one reads in the press are just to push agendas. I bet some doctor or researcher who hates trans people made this. that's not true for me, i dont' get how it's true for any man, we have penises, we're MEN, what else are we supposed to have? we can see our own prics and hard-ons anytime.

[Laphroaig]

these studies one reads in the press are just to push agendas. I bet some doctor or researcher who hates trans people made this. that's not true for me, i dont' get how it's true for any man, we have penises, we're MEN, what else are we supposed to have? we can see our own prics and hard-ons anytime.

The study linked to has nothing to do with transgenders and doesn't even mention them, so how could it be created by someone who "hates" them? Try reading the article before giving a nonsensical irrelevant response.

[nysprod]

Why alter the text of the study to state trans girls then, why not just leave it as women in general? Their male genitalia may not make a difference to their gender, but it certainly makes a big difference to the "chasers" you also mention in your OP. Just look at all the attention big cocks get on here. Then there's those who actively seek "heavy cummers" or just want to swallow shemale cum. Do they want the girl to cum for her enjoyment or purely to satisfy their own particular kink?

According to the survey, men want their partner to come because it makes them feel more manly.

And giving the lovely Sasha de Sade an orgasm would certainly make me feel more manly

https://i.imgsafe.org/37aec5aab7.jpg



So, you dismiss the survey as pseudo science but continue to state that it proves your right? That argument is flawed, you can't have it both ways.

I didn't say survey's are psuedo science. Their findings can be valid but they're not scientific in the sense that
a) they're not double-blind studies
b) can't really be replicated by other's in the field
c) frequently use too small of a sample size

[holzz]

The study linked to has nothing to do with transgenders and doesn't even mention them, so how could it be created by someone who "hates" them? Try reading the article before giving a nonsensical irrelevant response.

OK. you the permission guy, cool!

[Laphroaig]

And giving the lovely Sasha de Sade an orgasm would certainly make me feel more manly

https://i.imgsafe.org/37aec5aab7.jpg



At last, something we can both agree on...:cheers:


OK. you the permission guy, cool!

This should help you, it's never too late...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/skillswise/english

[DeseosEscandulosos]

When I'm looking at research like this, the first thing I do is look for obvious signs of sample bias. In this case, the sample members are WEIRD (White, Educated, from a country that is Industrialized, Rich, and Democratic). 80% of social research uses WEIRD samples, but we WEIRD people make up only 12% of the world population. Furthermore, the sample was drawn from freshmen college students and Web respondents, two more sources of possible bias.

The results were biased by the questions asked. I value sex for the feelings of intimacy and bonding, but if I had been part of the survey, I would have been asked only about feelings of accomplishment and masculinity. The survey questions dealt with only a part of the experience of sex, and for many people it's probably not the most important part. But the researchers conclusions make sense only if you assume that masculinity is the part that really matters.

The researchers found that some men have "masculine stress" (if I remember the term correctly), and these men use female orgasms to buttress their feelings of masculinity. But the research suggests that not all men do this. If you limit your claims to what the data actually shows, then it appears that some men may use female orgasms to reinforce their masculinity, but the data doesn't show that all men do that.

As far as applying this to men who like transwomen, a lot of guys want to bottom. They value trans erections because it make it possible for transwomen to penetrate them. For those of us who want to top, I think erections are nice, but not necessary.

As far as porn is concerned, part of the audience wants to see erect cocks, and another part of the audience is fine with cute limp cocks. Girls who can reliably get erections appeal to both sides of the market, while girls who are limp only appeal to one part. So girls who get erections sell more porn, and therefore are more valued, all other things being equal. Obviously, there are porn stars who are mostly limp but are valued for other reasons.

It's difficult to do good research of this type. Getting an unbiased sample is difficult and prohibitively expensive. It's impossible to control for all the possible variables. Researchers are often unaware of their assumptions and the ways that their procedure is biasing the outcome. And overlooking these problems allows researchers to claim more than their results will support. This particular study is par for the course. It's suggestive, but it doesn't prove anything.

[parts25]

It's always a lot more fun when the other person really gets into it and cums hard too. It makes both feel so much better and closer.

[jdinny]

Actually, I love to get her hard and make her cum before I cum. I just love pleasing my partner.
My partner always cums first.

[sockratees]

if feel i understand them more, they can't fake it, and it makes me proud and accomplished being able to see my partner getting pleasure

[nysprod]

I started this thread kind of as a half joke...but yeah, a hard dick sends several messages

[tacocorpv2]

Yeah. To me it's about thinking of my partner first. If she's happy I'm happy. :D