Why castration before puberty isn't common and considered bad?

[mrxx]

Ftm, female-to-male, they take testosterone and they develop male secondary characteristics, PERFECT male characteristics, perfection

There's no way you can distinguish a biological males from t-males,

they achieve perfection

after taking testosterone, the only female part they retain is the vagina

And they can't revert it completely, if a ftm want to return to being female and have 2nd female characteristics, testosterone is a bitch, the effects are too powerful to revert completely


So, with Mtf once they reach puberty, they are DOOMED

They would be saved with castration, they would have NATURAL female secondary characteristics

There are the testosterone blockers, but they only DELAY puberty, and i've heard they could cause damage to the liver, among other effects, besides of being famous for being very expensive


A born female can EASILY be a Ftm, but a born male if he does reach puberty can't easily become Mtf

And there will ALWAYS be a few residual male secondary characteristics left

[mrxx]

t-females, just as t-males do, would reach perfection

they would be like females, perfect females, with penis

[Laphroaig]

You do talk a lot of bollocks, don't you....:dead-1:

[hikomiko777]

You are raising a good point. BUT then they will have to do SRS before puberty too, because penile and scrotal skin are used in the operation.
Besides, Not all M2F which to be "full" females too early. some of them would prefer to enjoy having a cock for a decade or so. Note that the ability to achieve orgasm is lost partially or completely after SRS.

[mrxx]

You are raising a good point. BUT then they will have to do SRS before puberty too, because penile and scrotal skin are used in the operation.
Besides, Not all M2F which to be "full" females too early. some of them would prefer to enjoy having a cock for a decade or so. Note that the ability to achieve orgasm is lost partially or completely after SRS.

I meant cutting ONLY the balls, not the penis

I meant castrati, not eunuch!!!

Also for me SRS is grotesque, as if the doctors could actually create a vagina, what they do is simply a wound that resembles one and that also has a lot of complications, they are arrogant and evil, they must think of themselves as some kind of godly beings that can dominate nature like that, they'll never have the power to create something worthy of being called a "Vagina"

[Laphroaig]

How many children (and make no mistake, that's what you're talking about) REALLY know what they want. A rare few will, but most kids change their minds like the wind changes direction and surely it would be a massive mistake to do anything with PERMANENT consequences at such an early age, just because for a few days/weeks/months Jack fancies being Jill or vice versa.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3590175/Children-young-THREE-convinced-born-wrong-body-Toddlers-1-500-16s-sent-transgender-identity-clinic.html

[Laphroaig]

I meant cutting ONLY the balls, not the penis

I meant castrati, not eunuch!!!

Also for me SRS is grotesque, as if the doctors could actually create a vagina, what they do is simply a wound that resembles one and that also has a lot of complications, they are arrogant and evil, they must think of themselves as some kind of godly beings that can dominate nature like that, they'll never have the power to create something worthy of being called a "Vagina"

Eunuch = castrated

(except China apparently, where it means removal of both)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eunuch

[mrxx]

How many children (and make no mistake, that's what you're talking about) REALLY know what they want. A rare few will, but most kids change their minds like the wind changes direction and surely it would be a massive mistake to do anything with PERMANENT consequences at such an early age, just because for a few days/weeks/months Jack fancies being Jill or vice versa.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3590175/Children-young-THREE-convinced-born-wrong-body-Toddlers-1-500-16s-sent-transgender-identity-clinic.html

Look mate many kids that say are in the wrong body will forever be like that

And in this subject is DO OR DIE, you wait some years to see if she changes her mind you ruined her, once you go throught puberty there's no coming back, she has developed male secondary characteristics and forever she'll have them because of your politically correct "is wrong kids going through that they are too young"

There are two famous t-females who didn't go throught puberty, Kim Petras and Jazz Jennings
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/08/04/16/2ADFFD4600000578-3184776-image-m-239_1438702392527.jpg
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/62/e1/c8/62e1c83ea5bc5f30fe80468767ad7054.jpg

They didn't developed male secondary characteristics so they were saved of all the misery and pain masculine characteristics bring to their kind

Besides a "kid" 's thoughts of how they feel at age 11 (before puberty) are quite mature, is not like puberty occurs at 3 or 4 years old, so much Laphroaig drinking has clouded your thinking

[Laphroaig]

OK, so I'm being "politically correct" and have "clouded" thinking, simply for stating the fact that castration is a permanent irreversible operation, while you believe that "SRS is grotesque" and "simply a wound that resembles a vagina".:shrug

As I said before...


You do talk a lot of bollocks, don't you....:dead-1:

[Laphroaig]

The 2 examples you give:

Jazz Jennings:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2966581/Teenager-born-boy-wanted-girl-aged-THREE-reveals-struggles-finding-love.html


Aged 11, she was prescribed hormone blockers to stop the production of testosterone, so she would not go through male puberty.

'It was such a relief,' she said. 'The hormone blockers are reversible, so if I come off them I'll go through male puberty. But there's no way that's happening - I'm too happy as a girl. I love experimenting with different hair styles and going clothes shopping.'

will undergo gender reassignment at age 18

Kim Petras:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/4511986/Worlds-youngest-sex-change-operation.html

Kim – born Tim -had been undergoing hormone therapy since the age of 12.

Her campaign led to her being given legal permission to undergo the reassignment operation in November last year, when she was 16. Note: this was 2009.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/news/gender-reassignment-i-always-wanted-to-be-a-girl-1790731.html

Petras started hormone therapy at 13

Some discrepancies with the age at which treatment was started. You're correct that they didn't go through puberty as a result of hormone treatment, but there's no evidence to suggest that either underwent castration (until full SRS) and as stated, the hormones effects are reversible.


I'm not arguing against treatment at an early age, only against performing irreversible surgery.

[mrxx]

comparing puberty vs non-puberty(holy)

Puberty:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9RMy8EOw88

Non-Puberty(holy):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMd6urIe1FU

[Jericho]

There's no way you can distinguish a biological males from t-males,
they achieve perfection
after taking testosterone, the only female part they retain is the vagina


Call me picky, but I'm thinking that would be a bit of a giveaway! :shrug

[blak4]

comparing puberty vs non-puberty(holy)

Puberty:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9RMy8EOw88

Non-Puberty(holy):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMd6urIe1FU

wow the one below makes the other look like a monster

they are so far away, the one below is so natural, so graceful, makes 95% i'd say of all transgender girls look like shit

like comparing a world boxing champion with a bum who fights for food

[GroobySteven]

wow the one below makes the other look like a monster

they are so far away, the one below is so natural, so graceful, makes 95% i'd say of all transgender girls look like shit

like comparing a world boxing champion with a bum who fights for food

Not a great first post.
Be careful and have some respect.

[blak4]

Not a great first post.
Be careful and have some respect.

sorry my mind was blown by that video, now i see why transgender women suffer so much and many of them look a little manly, because of puberty

[Fitzcarraldo]

So, with Mtf once they reach puberty, they are DOOMED

If they have to deal with people like you, yes.

[SarahG]

There's no way you can distinguish a biological males from t-males,

Well, unless you know how to find the breast-reduction scars and if they had an hourglass shape pre-transition those wide hips are there for life. Might have to do with why so many of them increase their soft-tissue mass by either working out to gain muscle or over eating to gain fat (hides any skeletal anomalies).



They would be saved with castration, they would have NATURAL female secondary characteristics

Yea the problem is that our culture doesn't like kids to have any rights. They're basically property owned by their parents and if their parents don't want them to get treatment they're screwed.

We're still allowing idiot-parents to go around preventing their kids from getting vaccinations because some woman on daytime TV told them it causes autism. For fuck's shake if the parents are religious crazies they can still get away with saying "Well I don't believe in doctors" and make their kids go without routine medical care. In that environment, getting trans kids help is going to be all up-hill with few even on the left who are serious about it.

WPATH guidelines for trans health care says that for minors health care professionals must weigh in the parents' views on the child transitioning or getting puberty blocking treatments (its right there in the standards of care manual). So if the parents say: "I don't want my kid to be trans" the child has to wait until adulthood or get HRT behind their backs and hide it. Doctor is going to say "sorry, how about some antidepresants that won't help?"


but a born male if he does reach puberty can't easily become Mtf

Story time!

When I was around preschool age I had a light bulb moment about this and tried to cut my testes off. I waited until mom wasn't around and dad was stuck watching us, since dad's way of watching us consisted of either sleeping or going to another room to watch porn creating hours of no-supervision.

Unfortunately the room that had the knives in it was too close to wear he was so I had to improvise so not to get caught. Sharpest thing I could find was a set of dirty toe nail clippers. Have you ever tried to use toe nail clippers to make an incision? Its a slow process that doesn't work very well. Somewhere between the first length I clipped-through and the inch long cut I managed to get out I realized I had the wrong tool for the job. It was just taking too long, there was too much of a mess and I was going to get in trouble when mom got home. I then had to quietly clean the blood off the toe nail clippers and hide the wound until it healed (IDK how I didn't die from an infection) and wore the same pair of underwear until the bleeding stopped before sneaking it out in the trash to hide any evidence.

So much for that idea. But then at school I was beat up every day from k-9th grade so I had another brilliant idea. I could get my bullies to work for me by recruiting them into stomping on them in hopes of eventually destroying them. This became part of my daily routine for a couple years in middle school usually in gym class. Our gym teachers thought it was amusing and didn't intervene, but then one day we had a sub. She was fresh out of college and this was one of her first teaching gigs. She walks into the room, sees what is going on, started screaming like someone was getting murdered and we all ended up in the principal's office. We were all given two detentions, and then after that I had to get pulled out of class for another round of psyc evals (guidance councilor: "You again? What happened this time!?!"). 2 weeks of testing later they declared me perfectly healthy from a psychology POV and sent me back to class.

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