Video of Athena Addams getting stabbed and robbed

[dc_guy_75]

17 stitches and robbed of $2k, does anyone recognize the assailant?

https://twitter.com/AthenaAddams/status/832412710981689344

[ed_jaxon]

Fuck that muthafucka.

Catch his ass.

That's three very popular girls almost murdered in the past three months

[Nikka]

rough business

[lifeisfiction]

Doesn't matter if your famous or not, this shouldn't happen to anyone. They will catch him. Nikka is right, it's sadly a rough business for everyone. Even from my experience having dealt with some scary stuff. I wish the best for her and recovery and that she has peace of mind.

[Laphroaig]

Not going to dispute that what happened to Athena was terrible and I wish her a speedy recovery, but there is another obvious issue with this situation, why was she recording anyway? Must have been a hidden camera as otherwise the guy would have to be a complete idiot not to lift it and remove the evidence. Maybe she did it as "security", but if so it failed.

[krissy4u]

geezus man... it's 2017... most cameras record to the cloud not to the device. You are typically well within your rights to video within your own home, apartment, or any other space you legally occupy as "yours". The sound is the issue. I'm no lawyer, but pretty sure this is completely legal except for sound. And, from what I understand, the guy was caught so... not a fail.


Not going to dispute that what happened to Athena was terrible and I wish her a speedy recovery, but there is another obvious issue with this situation, why was she recording anyway? Must have been a hidden camera as otherwise the guy would have to be a complete idiot not to lift it and remove the evidence. Maybe she did it as "security", but if so it failed.

[Laphroaig]

geezus man... it's 2017... most cameras record to the cloud not to the device. You are typically well within your rights to video within your own home, apartment, or any other space you legally occupy as "yours". The sound is the issue. I'm no lawyer, but pretty sure this is completely legal except for sound. And, from what I understand, the guy was caught so... not a fail.

Well, it FAILED to stop her from getting injured in the first place and now that it's known that she secretly records sessions, she'll probably lose a lot of potential clients. There are loads of posts on here from "paranoid" punters scared of being secretly filmed. Maybe they weren't so paranoid after all?

Glad she's ok and I hope you're right and the bloke was caught, but in the long run, the videoing will probably do her more harm than the injury/theft.

[krissy4u]

Wow... please tell me of this magical device which will stop you from "getting injured in the first place"...? I'd love to buy one! That's just shoddy logic there, bro.

You have no idea what you're talking about. There are a MYRIAD of different scenarios about this that you have no freakin' idea about. The webcam could have been triggered by a panic (I have this set up at my apartment) button or keychain remote, or set to record via motion, or any other different ways you can set up a security camera. I'm not gonna argue this... because I really don't have any idea either about the circumstances of the recording. What is just plain fact now is that she would have had exactly NOTHING without the recording... and now another asshat is (hopefully) off the street because of it.

I was just responding to your OP because you implied that this was a "problem" i.e - illegal - it isn't. ANY person going to see incall should be aware of this. You are (mostly) well within your rights to record inside your own home or privately "owned" space. It is what you do with the video that can become problematic, legally. That's all.


Well, it FAILED to stop her from getting injured in the first place and now that it's known that she secretly records sessions, she'll probably lose a lot of potential clients. There are loads of posts on here from "paranoid" punters scared of being secretly filmed. Maybe they weren't so paranoid after all?

Glad she's ok and I hope you're right and the bloke was caught, but in the long run, the videoing will probably do her more harm than the injury/theft.

[Laphroaig]

Wow... please tell me of this magical device which will stop you from "getting injured in the first place"...? I'd love to buy one! That's just shoddy logic there, bro.

You have no idea what you're talking about. There are a MYRIAD of different scenarios about this that you have no freakin' idea about. The webcam could have been triggered by a panic (I have this set up at my apartment) button or keychain remote, or set to record via motion, or any other different ways you can set up a security camera. I'm not gonna argue this... because I really don't have any idea either about the circumstances of the recording. What is just plain fact now is that she would have had exactly NOTHING without the recording... and now another asshat is (hopefully) off the street because of it.

I was just responding to your OP because you implied that this was a "problem" i.e - illegal - it isn't. ANY person going to see incall should be aware of this. You are (mostly) well within your rights to record inside your own home or privately "owned" space. It is what you do with the video that can become problematic, legally. That's all.

I didn't imply that it was a problem "legally", you assumed that. She was escorting at the time, which is illegal in the US anyway.:shrug It is a problem for many punters though, as it (potentially) opens them up to blackmail. As such, revealing that she records sessions (how it's activated is irrelevant), will become a problem for her as she's likely to lose clients as a result. Can you follow that logic?

[krissy4u]

geez... some guys just have a real problem admitting they got caught being an asshat.

YOU are making the assumption she was escorting at the time. As far as I know... she hasn't publicly stated it. We might all *think* we *know*... but in reality... we don't. Is it a stretch...? Sure... admittedly, but WHO is making the assumptions here? And speaking of "irrelevant..." Even if she was escorting, she's still within her rights to record in her own space. Not sure what you're failing to understand about that.

And, YOU are the one making assumptions this is SOP for her. Perhaps she, (as any person who meets with others regularly knows) just got a "bad" feeling about this guy and set up something for security this one time. I've done the exact same thing before, back when I was younger and escorting.

Anyway... done with this. The GUY here is the problem. NOT the camera, not the recording, not that she chooses to escort, not ANYTHING ELSE. The GUY. period. So stupidly tired of people making excuses for violence against women, sex workers or not.

I didn't imply that it was a problem "legally", you assumed that. She was escorting at the time, which is illegal in the US anyway.:shrug It is a problem for many punters though, as it (potentially) opens them up to blackmail. As such, revealing that she records sessions (how it's activated is irrelevant), will become a problem for her as she's likely to lose clients as a result. Can you follow that logic?

[Laphroaig]

geez... some guys just have a real problem admitting they got caught being an asshat.

YOU are making the assumption she was escorting at the time. As far as I know... she hasn't publicly stated it. We might all *think* we *know*... but in reality... we don't. Is it a stretch...? Sure... admittedly, but WHO is making the assumptions here?

And, YOU are the one making assumptions this is SOP for her. Perhaps she, (as any person who meets with others regularly knows) just got a "bad" feeling about this guy and set up something for security this one time. I've done the exact same thing before back when I was younger and escorting.

Anyway... done with this. The GUY here is the problem. NOT the camera, not the recording, not that she chooses to escort, not ANYTHING ELSE. The GUY. period. So stupidly tired of people making excuses for violence against women, sex workers or not.

No assumptions as she states it herself, see screenshot for your proof. "So yesterday a young client assualted stabbed and robbed me"....

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Now please point out where am I "making excuses" for him and are you going to admit you've just been "caught being an asshat", by not checking your facts first?

[krissy4u]

Here's how an apology goes for future reference.

So, yes, it appears I was incorrect in stating that she has not publicly stated that she was "escorting" at the time. A probable conclusion can be drawn from the mention of "client" that this was probably escort-type work. I apologize for the incorrect statement.

NOW.

This is your stated opening line. "Not going to dispute that what happened to Athena was terrible and I wish her a speedy recovery, but there is another obvious issue with this situation, why was she recording anyway?"

Break this down. "what happened to Athena was terrible" ... "BUT"... "there is another obvious issue..." "why was she recording anyway?".

What you're doing here is drawing a correlation between two points in time. the "what happened".. and the "obvious issue" of "why was she recording anyway". These are your own words. Perhaps you worded it terribly and I'll give you grace for that possibility. Since you seem to be a master of logic, I won't go through this entire thread of reasoning - but you've basically just said, "What happened to Athena was terrible, but it is kinda on her since she was doing something she shouldn't have been doing in the first place".

As for me drawing the conclusion that you were talking about Athena recording as a legal matter... yeah right. You honestly don't believe that yourself, do you? You're just trying to defend a position, which is fine. But for God's sake... be intellectually honest. It's hard to have a discussion with someone who isn't. Honestly, tell me you weren't saying exactly that. I don't think anybody believes that... at all. You were saying that what she was doing was, in and of itself, illegal, and thus too bad for her for getting stabbed. That is what your statement basically said... again... as interpreted by me.

Look... it upset me. Athena is awesome... smart, attractive, an entrepreneur, and a role model for any girl out there trying to get by in this crazy life. She works hard, keeps her nose to the grindstone, and deserves the life she lives. She does not deserve to be shamed in any way for getting stabbed. I don't care what the circumstances are. There is no excuse for this type of behavior and recent other incidents have really made me irritated when I see the whole "oh but she escorts" line. FUCK THAT. Violence against women, or against anybody, should not be tolerated. We shouldn't have to justify getting stabbed as a crime. We shouldn't have to have commentary about the dangers of escorting, or the dangers of being Trans, or etc. Guys who assault girls or girls who assault guys should be prosecuted. Period.

I'm sorry if I've offended you. I can get pretty snarky when I talk which is why I've been off of HA for a freakin' long time. You just happened to be a "straw breaking camel's back" type of thing this morning for me. I'm tired of all the "excuses" is all, and your post struck me as trying to provide just that for this creep of a guy. Again, I apologize if that was not your intent, but I hope you can see where I was justified in coming to that conclusion.



No assumptions as she states it herself, see screenshot for your proof. "So yesterday a young client assualted stabbed and robbed me"....

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Now please point out where am I "making excuses" for him and are you going to admit you've just been "caught being an asshat", by not checking your facts first?

[Laphroaig]

Here's how an apology goes for future reference.
So, yes, it appears I was incorrect in stating that she has not publicly stated that she was "escorting" at the time. A probable conclusion can be drawn from the mention of "client" that this was probably escort-type work. I apologize for the incorrect statement.


Apology accepted




This is your stated opening line. "Not going to dispute that what happened to Athena was terrible and I wish her a speedy recovery, but there is another obvious issue with this situation, why was she recording anyway?"

Break this down. "what happened to Athena was terrible" ... "BUT"... "there is another obvious issue..." "why was she recording anyway?".

What you're doing here is drawing a correlation between two points in time. the "what happened".. and the "obvious issue" of "why was she recording anyway". These are your own words. Perhaps you worded it terribly and I'll give you grace for that possibility. Since you seem to be a master of logic, I won't go through this entire thread of reasoning - but you've basically just said, "What happened to Athena was terrible, but it is kinda on her since she was doing something she shouldn't have been doing in the first place".

You’re reading too much into it, I’m not making a correlation between the two. One event did not happen as a result of the other. If I’d stated something like, “maybe the assault took place because he discovered the hidden camera”, you would have a valid point.



As for me drawing the conclusion that you were talking about Athena recording as a legal matter... yeah right. You honestly don't believe that yourself, do you? You're just trying to defend a position. Honestly, tell me you weren't saying exactly that. I don't think anybody believes that... at all. You were saying that what she was doing was, in and of itself, illegal, and thus too bad for her for getting stabbed. That is what your statement basically said... again... as interpreted by me.


Nope, I was stating (maybe badly worded) that it’s a breach of escort-client, trust/etiquette (call it what you will) to secretly record a session, whether you’re an escort or a client and it will likely affect her future business. I have no idea what the legal situation is, although I’ll admit that I’d assume it was illegal until told otherwise.




Look... it upset me. Athena is awesome... smart, attractive, an entrepreneur, and a role model for any girl out there trying to get by in this crazy life. She works hard, keeps her nose to the grindstone, and deserves the life she lives. She does not deserve to be shamed in any way for getting stabbed. I don't care what the circumstances are. There is no excuse for this type of behavior and recent other incidents have really made me irritated when I see the whole "oh but she escorts" line. FUCK THAT. Violence against women, or against anybody, should not be tolerated. We shouldn't have to justify getting stabbed as a crime. We shouldn't have to have commentary about the dangers of escorting, or the dangers of being Trans, or etc. Guys who assault girls or girls who assault guys should be prosecuted. Period.


I think we can both agree on this.



I'm sorry if I've offended you. I can get pretty snarky when I talk which is why I've been off of HA for a freakin' long time. You just happened to be a "straw breaking camel's back" type of thing this morning for me. I'm tired of all the "excuses" is all, and your post struck me as trying to provide just that for this creep of a guy.

It certainly wasn’t my intention to provide any excuses for the guy. Apologies for any misunderstandings or offence I’ve given you.

Hope your morning improves.

[dreamon]

Wow... please tell me of this magical device which will stop you from "getting injured in the first place"...? I'd love to buy one!

I personally have no problem with her recording, but there is definitely something that can keep you from getting injured in the first place.

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[krissy4u]

a picture of two guns...? i'm printing this out and sticking it on my wall! meh... i don't really think owning a handgun is a "prevent all harm" charm... i own one and hope to god that i'll never have to use it.


I personally have no problem with her recording, but there is definitely something that can keep you from getting injured in the first place.

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[Dudedude12345]

I personally have no problem with her recording, but there is definitely something that can keep you from getting injured in the first place.

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Didn't somebody was mentioned being shot with her own gun?

[Athena_Addams]

In 13 years I've never had a problem until now. I've had a security camera for years now and you've never seen nor heard of footage until now and you never will... I have values and a code of etics. I appreachiate everyone who calls me and chooses me to guide them down the patch of self discovery. I see very few callers, and have never had an issue with my screening process until now.

[nysprod]

This is your stated opening line. "Not going to dispute that what happened to Athena was terrible and I wish her a speedy recovery, but there is another obvious issue with this situation, why was she recording anyway?"



The answer to this question is so obvious it shouldn't need explaining: Security, such as it is

Anyone know if Athena went to the police? I don't but I'll make a bet that she didn't. LE and tg's are a bad mix, best to distance if you're trans

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[dreamon]

In 13 years I've never had a problem until now. I've had a security camera for years now and you've never seen nor heard of footage until now and you never will... I have values and a code of etics. I appreachiate everyone who calls me and chooses me to guide them down the patch of self discovery. I see very few callers, and have never had an issue with my screening process until now.

I wish you a speedy recovery, I'm glad that you're ok enough to be posting on a forum so shortly after being attacked

[filghy2]

One of the above posts says the attacker was caught, so presumably yes. Aside from other considerations, like stopping this guy from doing the same to someone else, how do you think that a person needing treatment for multiple stab wounds could avoid reporting it?

[DeseosEscandulosos]

My take on this: If I were afraid of being recorded on video, I would now be afraid of all escorts, not just Addams. If there's a drop in business, I would expect it to affect all escorts. But I'm not expecting that to happen. I remember a couple of years ago when the police in the city nearest me were conducting a sting by renting a hotel room, running an ad in Backpage, and arresting the guys that showed up. The local news shows ran stories about it several nights running, but the supply of johns never dried up. I think the police only stopped when prosecutors office couldn't handle any more cases. So I don't expect this will have much effect on business for escorts in general or Addams in particular.

Security cameras are great for catching criminals, but they're also a deterrent for crime if the criminal knows that they're being recorded. The best way to do that is to make the camera visible and obvious. But I suspect that really would be bad for business. The next best thing is to keep the cameras hidden, while occasionally releasing video of a criminal recorded in the act. That way, criminals are periodically reminded that there could be a hidden camera in any room with an escort. By releasing the video, Addams may have prevented a few assaults of other escorts by other potential assailants at very little cost to herself.

I don't really expect the video to have much effect on either business or crime, but I think the net effect will be positive.

[GroobySteven]

Not going to dispute that what happened to Athena was terrible and I wish her a speedy recovery, but there is another obvious issue with this situation, why was she recording anyway? Must have been a hidden camera as otherwise the guy would have to be a complete idiot not to lift it and remove the evidence. Maybe she did it as "security", but if so it failed.

What are you talking about? It worked. They'll get this guy.
I'd advise every girl bringing strangers into their apartments to record. If you are that worried an escort may be recording for her own personal safety, then you should probably refrain from visiting escorts. It's nothing new, street walkers used to write down car license plates, when their colleagues were picked up.
Laphroig, you're becoming increasingly obtuse and annoying (ie; trolling).

[GroobySteven]

I personally have no problem with her recording, but there is definitely something that can keep you from getting injured in the first place.

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Brilliant.
Ada Black was shot with her own gun.
How did that work out for her, brainiac ?

[leanthraki]

I read the thread title & thought someone fucked her in the ass & stole her handbag.. :dead-1:

[lifeisfiction]

What are you talking about? It worked. They'll get this guy.
I'd advise every girl bringing strangers into their apartments to record. If you are that worried an escort may be recording for her own personal safety, then you should probably refrain from visiting escorts. It's nothing new, street walkers used to write down car license plates, when their colleagues were picked up.
Laphroig, you're becoming increasingly obtuse and annoying (ie; trolling).

I would advise every person both those who provide and visit to have a safety system. I do not want everyone to record, because not everyone is honest. Athena was independent and took steps to ensure her own safety. Some woman are independent, some work in groups, work in agencies or have managers. Different systems require different types of protection. We have to remember some people are freaking shady. Also there is a chance of it falling into the wrong hands. LE will have a hard time with license plates, since many jurisdictions will require some form of corroboration of the evidence. Not so with video and pictures (depending on what is captured).

Some people get threaten with pictures being taken, it happens. Even worst is when it comes back haunt if people are caught. A4E for years bragged their extensive cache of personal information was safe, because they would never get caught and of course I turn on the news and low and behold they were caught. LE was reviewing their personal information. Trust me they do look at who is visiting if they get the information, especially if they had important clientele. Even better, you can get a sweet person like Alex Wright from Maine.

Nikkia said it best it's a rough business, especially when things go wrong. It's messed up what happened and I am glad it worked out. I wouldn't say for moment bad things can't happen, I had seen a gg who literally took my money and told she isn't doing anything. I quickly glanced around and noticed in the corner of my eye a person in the bathroom with a weapon. Or the guy who calls me after a year and half later of seeing a women a few times saying he was looking for his ex-gf and he called since she had my name, number and some other personal information in her special book she kept from her working days. On the other hand there are girls who chat way too much and give up too much information to the wrong person and end up getting insane stalkers. So, I understand from both sides the concern of privacy and safety.

[dreamon]

Brilliant.
Ada Black was shot with her own gun.
How did that work out for her, brainiac ?

Doesn't always work, but defensive gun use does save lives. Ada was being stalked by a sick individual, and that individual would have found a way to harm her as that was what he unfortunately was seeking to do. But guns give you a chance to protect yourself. As many as 200,000 women a year use guns to protect themselves (https://www.gunowners.org/sk0802htm.htm).

[Laphroaig]

What are you talking about? It worked. They'll get this guy.
I'd advise every girl bringing strangers into their apartments to record. If you are that worried an escort may be recording for her own personal safety, then you should probably refrain from visiting escorts. It's nothing new, street walkers used to write down car license plates, when their colleagues were picked up.
Laphroig, you're becoming increasingly obtuse and annoying (ie; trolling).

Obviously, both you and Krissy, have a different opinion to me as to what constitutes security. I've always thought the idea was, as far as is possible, to avoid incidents like this from happening in the first place.

I have no problem with girls taking security measures such as having someone else in the property to call an alarm, but hidden cameras would indeed be a step too far for me and I am genuinely surprised and a little shocked to find someone using one.

Hopefully, if they haven't already, they will catch this guy and at least some good will come of this.

[krissy4u]

OK... now that we've kissed and made up... let's have an honest, civil discussion.

I think you are conflating two terms that I, at least, am not - "security" and "safety". This isn't about "security". Obviously, having a webcam operating or not, does squat when it comes to "avoiding incidents" like this from happening. This is about safety. While I'm not ready to go on the record quite so strongly as GroobySteven does and advise girls to record (with constant video), I do recommend that you have some sort of safety feature present, combined with a security system [like a panic button(s)]. I don't escort anymore, but I have a hidden webcam that takes a clear burst of pictures of anyone who walks in/out my front door, triggered by motion, date/time stamped, and uploaded to the cloud. I have three trusted friends who know how to access that information. I notify one of them when I'm about to have someone over and when I'm done. I cannot understand why, because of some unspoken "rule" between escorts/clients, you'd put a girl's life over a good lay... that just doesn't make sense to me. "Little Black Books" have existed literally... FOR YEARS. The technology is what has changed... not the method of recording clients' information. Can you explain this please?

If you're worried about privacy... like it or not, you ARE recorded EVERYWHERE these days. Almost every apartment complex that I've lived in here in the US, has a security system that records license numbers, where you go onsite, etc. And, whether you know it or not, almost every savvy apartment complex manager knows if an escort, escorts - the escort's neighbors most certainly do. THEY could just as easily film you, blackmail you, or do all the things you're worried about. It isn't difficult. I completely agree with GroobySteven when he says, "...if you are worried... then you should probably refrain..."

You've got to realize that an escort has little to gain by releasing hidden recordings... as you already noted - it would destroy her business. But, she has everything to gain (literally - her life) by having some sort of safety precaution should things go awry. So again, I just don't understand why this is even an issue to be brought up in this case. A girl is stabbed, and you think the issue is the recording...??? I honestly just don't get that and I'd like to understand because your point of view is voiced often enough that a lot of people seem to think that way... and it irritates me.


Obviously, both you and Krissy, have a different opinion to me as to what constitutes security. I've always thought the idea was, as far as is possible, to avoid incidents like this from happening in the first place.

I have no problem with girls taking security measures such as having someone else in the property to call an alarm, but hidden cameras would indeed be a step too far for me and I am genuinely surprised and a little shocked to find someone using one.

Hopefully, if they haven't already, they will catch this guy and at least some good will come of this.

[Stavros]

In 13 years I've never had a problem until now. I've had a security camera for years now and you've never seen nor heard of footage until now and you never will... I have values and a code of etics. I appreachiate everyone who calls me and chooses me to guide them down the patch of self discovery. I see very few callers, and have never had an issue with my screening process until now.

I've had a security camera for years now and you've never seen nor heard of footage until now and you never will... I have values and a code of ethics
-This is the key sentence because whatever someone records in their own home, it could be illegal to share it in public without the consent of the person or persons in the film -has nobody heard of Revenge Porn? If a crime is committed -be it assault, or burglary, for example- then the footage can be used as evidence and it is up to the police if that footage is released upon conviction. And suppose an escort agrees to an outcall but is not aware that the client in the hotel room has set up a hidden camera without her consent? It is clear to me that Athena has acted properly in this case, and we must be grateful this incident did not have disastrous consequences.

[Laphroaig]

Krissy

Again, I appologise for any misunderstandings and will attempt to clarify what I mean.

Firstly, what happened to Athena was terrible and the guy responsible deserves to be brought to justice, but it's not really an issue for discussion as such, because I doubt you'll find anyone who disagrees with that statement.

I'm well aware that in this day and age most hotels/appartment blocks have CCTV and that I will be on record entering and leaving them. However, those recordings are pretty harmless, could be easily explained if needed, and will probably be wiped after a few weeks anyway. I don't even particularly have a problem if an escort wants to put CCTV outside her own property. However, and the reason I raised this as an issue, is that Athena's recording is in the room where the "action" happens. This is the first time I've come across concrete evidence of an escort doing this and it does concern me and (I believe) crosses a line and breaks the "rule" that you mention. As you stated yourself, I don't know when or how the recording was started, but it does present the possibility of recording a whole session, which as Stavros points out could lead to Revenge Porn or similar. Athena is indeed within her rights to release the recording under the circumstances, but what constitutes a valid reason to release a video like that? Assault -yes, short changed by a £10 - no. Where would the acceptable line be drawn? As we're all aware these days, once something is leaked to the internet, it's there forever.

I understand and accept your points about appartment managers/neighbours, etc. However, in my case, the girls I see are almost always touring and probably aren't around for long enough for anyone to figure out what they are up to, or if they do, they'll be gone before anything is done.

I don't really understand your point of safety vs security as a hidden camera, as far as I can see, did nothing to protect either in this case. The camera recording could as you and Steven have said, be used as evidence to help put the guy away, but it's still unclear as to whether the video has actually been given to the Police or not yet. Maybe that's a point that Athena can clear up, if she hasn't already in the twitter link.

Legalities, I don't particularly want to get into as I'm aware there will probably be differences between UK and US laws which will probably only result in further misunderstandings and arguments.

[krissy4u]

Firstly, what happened to Athena was terrible and the guy responsible deserves to be brought to justice, but it's not really an issue for discussion as such, because I doubt you'll find anyone who disagrees with that statement.

Thank you for the reply. This is the entirety of what needs to be said when it comes to things like this, in my opinion. You would be surprised by how many responses I've read to this and similar incidents that place the blame on the victim in an "she-is-escorting-so-should-expect-this" type of reasoning. So, I do think it is important to call people on the carpet when that is voiced because it normalizes what is a serious crime. Giving voice to "terrible... BUT..." statements, again in my opinion, is not helpful at all and is the reason things like Trayvon Martin blow up - i.e. - "Terrible what happened but he shouldn't have been wearing a black hoodie at night... etc."

RE: Security vs Safety - think of it in terms like this (you probably have similar gov depts in your country) - the TSA (fuck them) and the NSA are both "security" - that is, they exist to prevent crime. The NTSB is "safety" department, tasked with figuring out what happened and preventing it from happening again. A recording isn't a deterrent [i.e. - security (although it can be)], it is a safety precaution. This is why I bristled at the statement "fail" in your OP. The truth of the matter is, besides having "Bubba" standing two feet away from the bed, there is no SECURITY that an escort can really have, thus taking every SAFETY precaution to insure her life and well-being is taken care of; is, in my book not unreasonable in any circumstance.

I mean, honestly - most escorts have the ultimate evidence of "blackmail" if they wanted to actually use it - DNA in the form of a used condom. So, I don't really see how/why recording a session is an issue. Again, for the record, I've already stated that what is done with the recording IS problematic - absolutely (as in the case of things like Revenge Porn - which BTW, is a whole other legal matter actually).

I would like address another point you made. Theft of service is a crime... whether $10.00 or $2,000.00. US courts have already ruled on this matter regarding prostitution and escorting (I'm too lazy right now to look up the case but if you dig around, you can probably find it pretty easily). Prostitution, while (mostly) illegal is still a business transaction and if you can prove a transaction existed at an agreed upon price, you can still win your case if you prosecute. Most victims of this type of crime simply don't report it, for obvious reasons. Escorting, is entirely legal (paying for "time" not "sex") - you can draw your own conclusions about that. THAT is just an FYI - entirely beside the point I'm trying to make.

You asked "Where would the acceptable line be drawn?"... my question back to you is "How much CRIME is acceptable to you?" Whether you "short change" a girl $10.00 or stab her in the gut... both are crimes. If you walked into a store and decided to not pay for $10.00 worth of groceries, you'd be prosecuted if caught (probably). Why? It's not the $10.00 breaking the business... it is because society has determined that if you give human nature an inch, it will take a mile. In my book, it is this line of reasoning (oh, it's just $10.00...) that leads eventually to "oh, shoot, too bad... well, it's just an escort". So, yes... you steal $10.00 from a girl... then boo-hoo for you, your face goes on the internet so other girls know that you're an asshat. Skip your next two cups of coffee and pay for the transaction as arranged. Would I personally do that...? No... probably not... bad for business, and probably makes you more of a target that is worth the trouble. But, that should be at the discretion of the person recording. The "Where would the acceptable line be drawn?" argument is tedious at best, and dangerous at worst, in my opinion.

Anyway, I don't really want to give this thread more legs that it has already since the matter is [somewhat] closed. I appreciate the conversation after a rocky start.

[filghy2]

Doesn't always work, but defensive gun use does save lives. Ada was being stalked by a sick individual, and that individual would have found a way to harm her as that was what he unfortunately was seeking to do. But guns give you a chance to protect yourself. As many as 200,000 women a year use guns to protect themselves (https://www.gunowners.org/sk0802htm.htm).

If widespread gun ownership makes people safer, why does the US have a much higher murder rate than any other advanced country? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate For every case in which a person is able to defend themselves successfully, there are many more where people are put in danger because any angry or disturbed person can easily get hold of a gun.

[diddyboponTOP]

Who is Athena Adams? And where is the video?

[seth123]

1)Read the first post of this topic......
2)Click the first link given in the first post of this topic

[DeseosEscandulosos]

Theft of service is a crime... whether $10.00 or $2,000.00. US courts have already ruled on this matter regarding prostitution and escorting (I'm too lazy right now to look up the case but if you dig around, you can probably find it pretty easily). Prostitution, while (mostly) illegal is still a business transaction and if you can prove a transaction existed at an agreed upon price, you can still win your case if you prosecute.
The only case I remember in which a client was charged with theft of services was a rape case. The judge reduced the rape charge to theft of service. I'd hate to be the sex worker that happened to.

You cannot enforce a contract that requires the parties to commit a crime. The courts will not enforce a contract for prostitution.

[simonisthebest]

really fucked up what happend to her,