A Few Pro-tips for gaining the attention of TS Models

[Wendy Summers]

So I keep seeing some of you clueless Casanovas trying to catch the attention of your favorite girl, but I often need to SMH and LOL at the FAIL I see occurring as you try to seduce your valentine vixen. So to help you out here's a few, quick pro-tips to help you avoid the solo stroke.

1) DON'T send the same message to multiple girls publicly over social media. We can easily see that and it makes it clear you're just trying to get whatever piece of cock you can find. Definite turnoff.

2) DON'T say you are the biggest fan of a solo model while not actually ever having purchased her work. Those of us with solo websites know who is subscribing. We know you're just stealing our porn. If you'll lie about that - you'll lie about anything.

3) DO remember that there are less transwomen into men then there are men who want a transwoman. This means you need to stand out in the field. She's in the position of power in choosing who she's gonna fuck, not you. The corollary to this is that a transwoman that would be a 6 among GGs is a 9 in the TS world. Suck it up and treat her like the 9.

4) DON'T be a Ross. When you publish a list online of transsexual women you want to fuck, I guarantee you'll miss the one girl willing to fuck you. This is the modern equivalent of the laminated freebie list. You will get shut down because she will find it.

5) DO spend money on her. I know there's this false belief that if you want to attract a working girl you need to not spend money. That's bullshit. So many guys try this approach it's meaningless. The folks willing to spend money are the ones who attract attention. Once you get her hooked, you can ween her off the gifts. If you're going to date a GG you know you're going to drop money on her... so expect to do the same with a TS.

This is far from a comprehensive list, but there's a few free pointers to get you off in the right direction.

Happy Valentine's Day!

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[pussycatmeow]

How did you get black "Ink" to come out the end of your big novelty pen?

[Dudedude12345]

What's a Ross?

[Wendy Summers]

What's a Ross?

This should explain it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NIBxJgUolw

[christianxxx]

who ever said you were a pro?

[Wendy Summers]

who ever said you were a pro?

This is America dammit! When someone says something, it's automatically true!

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[blackchubby38]

Sound and entertaining advice for those who are interested in developing a personal relationship with a TS model. Thanks for posting that Wendy.

[kevvkfan]

Good stuff Wendy...thank you for keeping it real. You spoil us with your pictures of the day and yet still talk down to earth to us fans. If anyone over steps things it's a shame. But thank you for responding to our posts

[MrFanti]

Wendy, you're spot-on with all those! :cool:

Things that have never failed for me:
- LISTEN and use reflective listening!
- SHUT-UP about yourself!
- Treat her with RESPECT!

[holzz]

cool tips.

[nysprod]

5) DO spend money on her. I know there's this false belief that if you want to attract a working girl you need to not spend money. That's bullshit. So many guys try this approach it's meaningless. The folks willing to spend money are the ones who attract attention. Once you get her hooked, you can ween her off the gifts. If you're going to date a GG you know you're going to drop money on her... so expect to do the same with a TS.

If by "working girl" you mean an escort, this is the worst thing a guy can do. But before that, guys should be a aware of how the vast majority of working girls, tg and gg, think about men who patronize them, which is that any guy who wants to date an escort has to have more than one screw loose in his brain.

That's why hardly any gg or tg escorts want to date a guy who sees escorts. And if she does, than she probably has some screws loose.

Yes, if you're willing to spend money you'll attract attention but trust me, it's not the kind of attention you'll want to attract...unless you do have some screws loose in your brain.

[Budweiser]

5) DO spend money on her. I know there's this false belief that if you want to attract a working girl you need to not spend money. That's bullshit. So many guys try this approach it's meaningless. The folks willing to spend money are the ones who attract attention. Once you get her hooked, you can ween her off the gifts. If you're going to date a GG you know you're going to drop money on her... so expect to do the same with a TS.


But I don't have any money (hardly). I think a trans girl should want to go out with me for free. Just because she likes my good looks, and because I will give her a good blow job.

[Wendy Summers]

But I don't have any money (hardly). I think a trans girl should want to go out with me for free. Just because she likes my good looks, and because I will give her a good blow job.

Dime a Dozen.

[AshlynCreamher]

But I don't have any money (hardly). I think a trans girl should want to go out with me for free. Just because she likes my good looks, and because I will give her a good blow job.

If you ain't got no money then take your broke ass home

[nysprod]

3) DO remember that there are less transwomen into men then there are men who want a transwoman. This means you need to stand out in the field. She's in the position of power in choosing who she's gonna fuck, not you. The corollary to this is that a transwoman that would be a 6 among GGs is a 9 in the TS world. Suck it up and treat her like the 9.

This is the exact opposite of how a man should think, if you remember rule 3 of my book The Art of Chasing:
"When you are near, make the tg think you are far away"

What this means is to have control of the narrative. When you aggressively chase you appear desperate and worse, it sends the message that you're having difficulty attracting the attention of other tg's. A red flag goes up in her mind which basically says "other tg's don't want him so why should I"

Yeah, any girl will think she's got the power but trust me...when she can be made to think that other tg's want you, it'll be her who'll be doing the chasing.

Once she's there, that's the time to indeed treat her like a 9. A white flag will go up in her mind that basically says "wow, he has other tg's who want him but he likes me better and chose me!"

[Wendy Summers]

Yeah, any girl will think she's got the power but trust me...when she can be made to think that other tg's want you, it'll be her who'll be doing the chasing.

Only if she's insecure ;) Which she has no reason to be.

[nysprod]

Only if she's insecure ;) Which she has no reason to be.

It's not about insecurity, it's about appealing to her competitive nature

[Chaos]

So what happens when the being broke part isn't your fault?
There's only so far I can go on disability.
Not that I don't already get judged for my brain being wired differently.
Yeah,for some of us it's a no-win situation no matter what...

[SanDiegoPervySage]

Don't kiss her ass, don't be the nice guy, don't be a simp, be attractive.

[Budweiser]

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[Budweiser]

If you ain't got no money then take your broke ass home

I like your pictures! :cool:

[SanDiegoPervySage]

So what happens when the being broke part isn't your fault?
There's only so far I can go on disability.
Not that I don't already get judged for my brain being wired differently.
Yeah,for some of us it's a no-win situation no matter what...

You can't change some people. Find someone who gives more of a fuck about other things

[gaysian71]

This is the exact opposite of how a man should think, if you remember rule 3 of my book The Art of Chasing:
"When you are near, make the tg think you are far away"

What this means is to have control of the narrative. When you aggressively chase you appear desperate and worse, it sends the message that you're having difficulty attracting the attention of other tg's. A red flag goes up in her mind which basically says "other tg's don't want him so why should I"

Yeah, any girl will think she's got the power but trust me...when she can be made to think that other tg's want you, it'll be her who'll be doing the chasing.

Once she's there, that's the time to indeed treat her like a 9. A white flag will go up in her mind that basically says "wow, he has other tg's who want him but he likes me better and chose me!"

Lol, I like that rule. I have been to many parties and club's where the have been multiple girls. I usually make sure to strike up a conversation with just about every girl I find attractive. It doesn't always ensure I find a girl to be with, but it usually does. That's not quite the same as your rule #3. But it's similar.

[Chaos]

You can't change some people. Find someone who gives more of a fuck about other things
I have tried. It almost always comes back to money...Even when people say they don't care about material things,it comes back to how little I have,eventually. I can't tell you how many times I've had someone tell me they don't care about money,only me,only to turn around and watch them walk away when they actually see how little actually makes it into my wallet once I pay my bills...

[CoolAwesomeBXDude]

<<<< patiently waiting for holz to make a thread similar to this one

[Wendy Summers]

<<<< patiently waiting for holz to make a thread similar to this one

I think I started this thread because of one of his lolz

[Jericho]

If you ain't got no money then take your broke ass home


No, no, pet.
Don't sugar coat it, tell it how it is! :hide-1:


You are such a cunt, welcome back! :salad

[MrFanti]

If you ain't got no money then take your broke ass home

This is a truth...
You don't have like it or agree with it....

But it IS a truth....

[DegenerateLibertine]

1. Be what she's into.
2. Don't be what she isn't into.

Way more leeway given for things that she'd ditch someone else without a second thought.

[nysprod]

<<<< patiently waiting for holz to make a thread similar to this one

My friend here does alright...fuck, if I was his age we own it lol

[ctcuteguynextdoor]

Don't be stingy, a lot of transgender people can't make a living otherwise......share the wealth!

[zphyer6]

That's a decent list if you're looking for Transgender escorts.

On the other hand if you just want to date Transgender women (not as a client) the list changes substantially.

1. Be a top. Probably the most important. Most TS admirers are bottoms or verse. Obviously a TG girl that goes through the trouble of transitioning probably doesn't want to fuck guys or have one that is obsessed with an appendage she probably doesn't like all that much. Yes, of course there are top girls, but they're a rare minority and there are loads of bottom dudes. Not good odds.

2. Be young, hung, and attractive. In my experience TG girls are more attuned to visual stimuli than regular girls and care a lot about a guys appearance. Just saying.

3. Date regular girls as well and don't become to hung up on Transwomen. This actually makes you more attractive to a TG girl. How many regular girls I've dated and what I liked about them are usually the first questions a TG girl that is interested in me will ask. It makes them feel good if they can maintain an illusion that a straight guy wants to be with them. I'm not trying to fool myself of course. I know ultimately I'm bi-sexual and they're not biologically female, but if the fantasy makes her happy then I'm fine with it.

4. As for the spending money part why would you spend more on a TG girl than you would on a regular girl of equal quality? Well, unless your a bottom of course lol.

5. As for dating escorts, in the long term it's not a good idea. Unfortunately in the TG world a lot of girls will have worked as escorts or been in porn at some point in their lives. That's just the way it is. I've found escorts are good for shorter, less serious relationships though. Some I've transitioned to dating after seeing them as a client a few times. That means I stopped putting money on the desk before I fucked them, started paying them in attention as a boy friend and going out in public with them. You'll always pay in some form. I've also dated TG girls that were relatively normal and have never been escorts. Those relationships were not surprisingly more stable.

[AshlynCreamher]

Don't be stingy, a lot of transgender people can't make a living otherwise......share the wealth!

I respectfully disagree with this - the first half anyways

[nysprod]

2. Be young, hung, and attractive. In my experience TG girls are more attuned to visual stimuli than regular girls and care a lot about a guys appearance. Just saying.

Absolute nonesense. For some girls, not only does age have nothing to do with it but they actually prefer older guys. I'm 49 and when i started on grindr i met an 18 y.o. tg and went out with her for about a year. Then in October I met one who's 22 and we been going steady since.

Of course it's easier if you're young and hung but don't let age hold you back...unless the girl specifies an age group or ethnic preference other than what I am, if I like her she'll get a message from me.

[DeseosEscandulosos]

So the only rule is that all the rules are incorrect? For every rule, there's someone who can prove it wrong?

Sometimes I think that all rules do is make you more confident, so that you'll keep trying. And if you keep trying, you'll get someone's attention. But that's a rule, so it must be wrong.

[MrFanti]

4. As for the spending money part why would you spend more on a TG girl than you would on a regular girl of equal quality? Well, unless your a bottom of course lol.

Being over 40 myself,
I've noticed that the available pool of what you call "quality" women (genetic or transgender) increases with the amount of income that one makes. Which is understandable because chances are, if a male hasn't established himself by age 40, then why on earth would a woman want a long term relationship?

The dating games played in the 20s disappear in the 40s....and the truth is that if one has a solid financial foundation, the better their chances.
Another one of those truths that you don't have to like, but it is what it is....

[gaysian71]

So the only rule is that all the rules are incorrect? For every rule, there's someone who can prove it wrong?

Sometimes I think that all rules do is make you more confident, so that you'll keep trying. And if you keep trying, you'll get someone's attention. But that's a rule, so it must be wrong.

Yup. Kinda like that.
But the only real rule is that trans women like their gentic counterparts come in all shapes and sizes, have all different things that attract them to men... or women and prefer different cock sizes and incomes. So the bottom lines is as long as you have a little game, you can find someone to date you. If you can't find someone to date you, you should probably take a good deep look at yourself.

And lastly, Wendy was referring to being with a professional model type girl. I have never been with one, but her tips sound reasonable.

[Jericho]

The dating games played in the 20s disappear in the 40s....and the truth is that if one has a solid financial foundation, the better their chances.
Another one of those truths that you don't have to like, but it is what it is....

In other words, they've had their fill of badboyz, sown their wild oats!

[nysprod]

if a male hasn't established himself by age 40, then why on earth would a woman want a long term relationship?


For gg's, a man in his 40's who's never been married, even if he's well established, sends a red flag. Being a divorced man in his 40's, with a kid, seems to have worked as a positive.

[MrFanti]

For gg's, a man in his 40's who's never been married, even if he's well established, sends a red flag. Being a divorced man in his 40's, with a kid, seems to have worked as a positive.

I haven't seen any "red flags" - especially from women who don't want any children. Gotta' watch the divorces though....IMHO, anything over one divorce can send up a flag as to "what's wrong with this guy, 2 failed marriages..."

However, your point is taken....

[nysprod]

I haven't seen any "red flags" - especially from women who don't want any children. Gotta' watch the divorces though....IMHO, anything over one divorce can send up a flag as to "what's wrong with this guy, 2 failed marriages..."

However, your point is taken....

To the vast majority of gg's, a man in his 40's who's never been married is either a player, a commitmentphobe, or in the closet.

[SanDiegoPervySage]

To the vast majority of gg's, a man in his 40's who's never been married is either a player, a commitmentphobe, or in the closet.

Or been married before, but not playing that game. again.

[MrFanti]

To the vast majority of gg's, a man in his 40's who's never been married is either a player, a commitmentphobe, or in the closet.

You forgot to add "or a great catch with no baggage - if you can get him".....

[Wendy Summers]

So the only rule is that all the rules are incorrect? For every rule, there's someone who can prove it wrong?

Sometimes I think that all rules do is make you more confident, so that you'll keep trying. And if you keep trying, you'll get someone's attention. But that's a rule, so it must be wrong.

Just like alternate facts, we have alternate rules too... #twoworlds

[nysprod]

You forgot to add "or a great catch with no baggage - if you can get him".....

So you tell dates about your interest in trannies? Lol

[Wendy Summers]

So you tell dates about your interest in trannies? Lol

In my experience it's obvious with most guys lol

[MrFanti]

So you tell dates about your interest in trannies? Lol

What you don't know....you don't know..but I'll give you peek into my private life....And that's that I have quite a few gay and lesbian friends and family members....

[DeseosEscandulosos]

Just like alternate facts, we have alternate rules too... #twoworlds
Do you have alternate TS models to go with the alternate facts and rules? Maybe someone who, when they're not in front of a camera, can't walk in heels without tripping? Can't get the makeup right without help? Feels like she'll never be feminine enough? I want to get that one's attention. What are the rules?

Also, it would help if she can't eat anything without getting crumbs all over her clothes. It's not necessary, but it would add to her adorability rating.

[nysprod]

What you don't know....you don't know..but I'll give you peek into my private life....And that's that I have quite a few gay and lesbian friends and family members....

That's cool...so you discuss your interest in trannies on the first date?

[Wendy Summers]

Do you have alternate TS models to go with the alternate facts and rules? Maybe someone who, when they're not in front of a camera, can't walk in heels without tripping? Can't get the makeup right without help? Feels like she'll never be feminine enough? I want to get that one's attention. What are the rules?

Also, it would help if she can't eat anything without getting crumbs all over her clothes. It's not necessary, but it would add to her adorability rating.

I personally only meet 2 of the 4... I can't walk in heels and I do tend to get crumbs on myself... although coffee is more likely... sorry - I can't help you here.

[Wendy Summers]

That's cool...so you discuss your interest in trannies on the first date?

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[DeseosEscandulosos]

I personally only meet 2 of the 4... I can't walk in heels and I do tend to get crumbs on myself... although coffee is more likely... sorry - I can't help you here.
Coffee and crumbs perfectly complement any outfit. White blouses with food stains are glamorous also.

I don't really have a list of desirable attributes, other than the usual honesty, communication, etc. But I do have a tendency to be attracted to women who don't perform femininity perfectly. Models are basically the raw material for creating an illusion of some form of femininity. Like everyone else, I'm attracted to illusions, but reality always turns out to be more interesting.

I started reading this thread because I was attracted to the illusion that rules would make me competent. If I knew the rules, I could court a transwoman without being a complete dork. I think the reality is that I'm just going to have to make my mistakes and hope for the best.

But thank you for your efforts. :)

[MrFanti]

That's cool...so you discuss your interest in trannies on the first date?

Standby, I'm still working on the line-by-line transcript so as to capture all future questions in one shot....

And besides, my response would be "moot" anyways - because even if I answered "yes", you wouldn't believe me. :-)

[kmersh]

Upfront, I have never met a model (TS or Otherwise), furthermore, I have never even considered trying to date a TS Model, so my knowledge is based solely on my interactions with average everyday females, dating, getting engaged to and marrying (my Wife is transgender)

Clearly your tips are common sense, especially in the guise of meeting a model, but tip five especially seems to be geared towards a “fan” meeting a model, which is where I start to wonder and what bring me to my question, would tip five apply if say a man met a woman (who happened to be a transgender model) in their everyday normal lives, with their legal name (not their stage name) at say a bar/restaurant and not in the roll of “fan” and transgender model”?

To my brain, there is little to no chance that a “Fan” and TS model have any chance of a relationship outside of TS Model and Fan, likewise though maybe there is slightly better chance of a “customer” and a working girl being anything more than a “working girl” and a customer. Again, this is just my way of thinking but the best chance of a good outcome would be if a man met a woman (who happened to be a TS Model as an example) in their normal everyday lives, not in their professional role as a TS Model. It seems that in the role of TS Model and “fan” the relationship is not on level playing field before it starts and there is really no way to better the odds, thus the showering the model with gifts, while nice (and beneficial to the TS model), is essentially throwing money out the window as it really will not make a major difference, the TS Model sees the man as a “fan” first and I do not see a chance of conversion to true boyfriend as possible. Added to that, how would a first date work? The “fan” would not know the TS Models real name and it seems sort of silly to address that person by their stage name. The entire relationship is started off predicated on a fantasy and money which seems (again to me) as a bad way to start any relationship.

Having said that, if the “fan” is okay just getting personal attention from the model in the form of date like activities, I could see where showering of gifts is beneficial as it helps him rise above the noise of everyone else out there vying for the model’s attention.

As a side note, I am always amazed by my fellow men of this world, so many drops huge amount of money on say strippers (I know two men who do just that) in the hopes that their dancer will consider taking up a romantic relationship with them, even though the chance of that is slim to none, in fact the two men I know of personally do not even know the stripper’s real name, it is all fantasy but that fantasy has a high price tag attached. Amazingly, one of the strippers in question has been milking this guy for over 9 years, he has paid for her breast augmentation, a down payment on a car and many others things, it just blows my mind as I would never believe that the relationship was/is anything more than exotic dancer and customer, especially if it never progressed to knowing the dancers real name.

Again, I am not trying to disparage Ms. Summers nor cast aspersions on her advice, I am just trying to better understand her advice as a learning exercise if nothing else.

[DeseosEscandulosos]

Again, I am not trying to disparage Ms. Summers nor cast aspersions on her advice, I am just trying to better understand her advice as a learning exercise if nothing else.

Miss Summers has porn to sell. This is marketing. The thing you said about fans and models. She seems very nice, even adorable, but we're fans and she makes her living selling porn.

We're lucky to have people like her and Nika posting on the forum. They differentiate their porn by showing us an aspect of their personalities. Their personalities make the forum a lot more interesting.

As you said, we can raise above the noise by spending money. But this:
"Once you get her hooked, you can ween her off the gifts."
I've never seen that happen.