What do men really want?

[AllanahStarrNYC]

"My mother said it was simple to keep a man, you must be a maid in the living room, a cook in the kitchen and a whore in the bedroom. I said I'd hire the other two and take care of the bedroom bit'"- Jerry Hall

I could not agree more :D

[BrendaQG]

Simple.

Sex. With a woman who is not their wife.

Even in places where a man can have more than one many men prefer a mistress to a second or third wife.

[detroitpuzzyeater]

what I want is a beautiful girl who's not an escort, who I can kiss all day and lay around and watch football with, who's also a freak in the bed with a nice ass and tits and clit and pretty eyes, sexy lips, a smile that brings me to my knees, who also can cook, likes movies, reads books, isn't an idiot and listens to jazz.

is that too much to ask?

[blckhaze]

"My mother said it was simple to keep a man, you must be a maid in the living room, a cook in the kitchen and a whore in the bedroom. I said I'd hire the other two and take care of the bedroom bit'"- Jerry Hall

I could not agree more :D

Amen. although my mom always told me to make sure my wife can cook. :P

[DRAVEN007]

I just want a woman who does something for herself.School,work,drive etc etc someone who has ambitions and goals in there life, and someone who has a good heart.I dont need a shorty in my life that cant do for me what i can already do for myself.i dont need a gold digger,hoe or a hood rat.

[BeardedOne]

I want a partner (GG, TG, TS, IS) that isn't a moron, liar, or psycho.

In other words, someone completely different than all of my previous lovers/relationships/dates.

[greenkb]

someone I don't have to share the remote control to the TV with :). Besides, I don't need anyone in my life. Its fine that way it is. Anyway after seeing what women are capable of becoming (mum and sister are completely evil) I think a single lifes my best bet. :lol:

[eagleman12]

a girl that swalllows and keeps right on sucking to get every drop out

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

As far as women go: legs that look good when she's over 50, an ass you can smack and watch jiggle like jello, and lips that can suck the chrome off a trailerhinge......................

As far as homes: a stainless steel bathroom with an LCD screen so I don't miss a single minute of whatever game I'm watching

[slinky]

http://www.anetek.com/images/Men%20vs%20Women.jpg

[eagleman12]

a girl that swalllows and keeps right on sucking to get every drop out

[muphin]

"My mother said it was simple to keep a man, you must be a maid in the living room, a cook in the kitchen and a whore in the bedroom. I said I'd hire the other two and take care of the bedroom bit'"- Jerry Hall

I could not agree more :D

I think men just want what they do not already have. or at least they want a challenge.

[Quinn]

What I want most in a woman is what I actually have in my wife: a truly equal partner. She’s ambitious, hardworking, and extremely capable. She was a self-made success before we ever started dating, so I know she isn’t with me for my money. Most interesting of all, she somehow manages to combine a childlike innocence/honesty with the shrewdness necessary to be an executive. Frankly, I’ve never seen anything quite like it.

Strangely enough, I never thought of my wife as anything more than a close friend until I watched her go through an extremely nasty divorce (her ex was also a friend). From my perspective, that process changed everything. Why? No matter how long you’ve known a person, you don’t know who they truly are until you watch them go through extreme adversity. It’s only then that you get to see who they really are – deep down inside. Seeing her go through that process showed me that she had a strict code of honor not influenced by circumstantial convenience or any malleable sense of collective morality. In short, she had what it took to become part of my trusted inner circle, and from there everything else happened gradually.

Bottom line: In NYC, beautiful women are a dime a dozen and easily acquired. A truly capable and equal partner that I trust, however, is another matter entirely. She is what I want; she is what I have.

-Quinn

[BarneyFife]

Things that I want aren't that complex. I would be happy with a girl that was loyal, respected me and loved me. Little things are important, but not that much. If a woman and a man love each other, the sex will be good, and if they respect each other they will work together to make decisions. If I can't trust my woman, then I shouldn't be with her. (well, in theory, I don't actually have a woman at this point)

That being said, a redhead with a c -cup somwhere in the 5' to 5'5" range, with that enjoys sex would be great.

[xxMelania4uxx]

a girl that swalllows and keeps right on sucking to get every drop out


:shock: :shock:

[peggygee]

http://www.anetek.com/images/Men%20vs%20Women.jpg

Yeah, that would be me on the bottom, very complex, and with a lot of parts to play with :wink:

[hondarobot]

What do men really want? What a fuckin mind trap.

He's not listening to me = he doesn't care

He's trying to talk to me = but he should just know what I'm thinking

If we do listen, were wussies. If we dont, we're jerks.

Thank god I work at a nightclub. Hopefully I will get to listen to a girl tonight, to grunts, moans and squeals. Then I'll read a book tomarrow in beautiful peace and quiet.

You girls love that guys aren't able to "figure you out". Stop that shit and maybe we could all be normal.

But that will never happen. Still, I love girls. Just hate mind games.

Re-edit- Whoa. I just saw that this was an Allanah thread, didn't realize that at first. Didn't mean to cause any shit, and it's a good thread. I suppose us guys should put more thought into what girls want.

Heh. I wasn't trying to be a jerk.

[Thor57]

we want this

[2003 UB313]

well, i can't speak for men as a whole, but...

i want someone who will go to see all or most of the shows i go to, and have a similar interest of music.
(since music is very important to me)
support my music and art.
be intelligent and very good at speaking eloquently.
be a good clean girl for people in public and a sex kitten for me at home when we're in the mood.
a lady who wouldn't mind me sharing cooking and cleaning with me, because if i love her, i do a lot for her.
someone who will defend me with pretty much everything i do, and stand by me.
most likely this woman will have to be transexual, atleast i'm hoping...
to have me and no other as a lover and allow bareback, because we'll be having sex as if we're going to conceive a child (but, of course, that won't happen!)
a woman who is willing to adopt children.
not a selfish woman.
liberal, but not very political (outgoing in that way, i mean)
she'd usually be the bottom, as she would be the woman, but she'd have her special days of not as well...
a woman who enjoys my talents and forgives and forgets my flaws.
a sweetheart.

[peggygee]

well, i can't speak for men as a whole, but...

i want someone who will go to see all or most of the shows i go to, and have a similar interest of music.
(since music is very important to me)
support my music and art.
be intelligent and very good at speaking eloquently.
be a good clean girl for people in public and a sex kitten for me at home when we're in the mood.
a lady who wouldn't mind me sharing cooking and cleaning with me, because if i love her, i do a lot for her.
someone who will defend me with pretty much everything i do, and stand by me.
most likely this woman will have to be transexual, atleast i'm hoping...
to have me and no other as a lover and allow bareback, because we'll be having sex as if we're going to conceive a child (but, of course, that won't happen!)
a woman who is willing to adopt children.
not a selfish woman.
liberal, but not very political (outgoing in that way, i mean)
she'd usually be the bottom, as she would be the woman, but she'd have her special days of not as well...
a woman who enjoys my talents and forgives and forgets my flaws.
a sweetheart.


:idea: Took me a moment, but I got it, 8)

[zerrrr]

I WANT THE WHITE BUFFALO, THE NEEDLE IN THE HAYSTACK,....TS WIFE / LIFEMATE.....I HAD THAT AND THREW IT AWAY NOT REALISING A LOT OF SHIT...NOW, IM AGAIN TRYING TO FUIND THE HAIR IN THE EGG....THESE OTHERES ARE ALL ON A COCK HUNT AND 99% OF THE THE GIRLS CAN NOT LET THIS ESCORT/ PORNO/ BOY CRAZY-SOP MANY MEN SO LITTLE TIME -BULLSHIT GET AWAY.....IM KICKING MYSELF IN THE ASS.....ITS WAYYYYYYYYYY HARDER FOR THE GUYS LIKE ME ( AND OTHERS THAT I KNOW ) WHO WANT A TS FOR A WIFE / LIFEMATE TO FUND SOMEONE SANE THEN IT IS FOR THE TS LOOKING FOR ROMANCE....MOST TS GIRELS DONT REALISE THE GOOD GUY STANDING NEXTR TO THEM , THEY LET THE MALE IN THEM TAKE OVER AND INSTEAD TURN TO THE OVA BOY-THE PLAYER-THE THUG-THE SCHMOOZER AND THATS THEY GUY THEY EMBRACE...MR 2 WEEK BOYFRIEND, THEN THEY SEE HIS TRUE COLORS AND THEY SPEW THAT "ALL MEN ARE DOGS " BULLSHIT......I MET TS GIRLS ON MY SPACE AND ALL I CAN SAYY IS WOW...HOLY SHIT....DO THEY HAVE A WARPPED VIEW OF THEMSELVES....WOOOF.... EVERYONE OS A DAVA, A GODDESS AND GLAMOUR QUEEN.....ALL THE BULLSHIT ABOUT BEING HIG CLASS WHEN IN FACT WITHOUT THE SEX TRADE THEY ARE A PILE OF WASTED FLESH BREATHING VALUABLE AIR......THEY WOULDNT EAT....YET THEY TREAT THE GOOD GUY LIKE HE IS LUCKY TO BE THIER PRESENCE......ITS FUNNY CAUSE AS AGE CREEPS IN AND THE NEW YOUNGER GIRL COMES BY THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN WE WILL SEE MS DIVA GLAMOUR GODDESS- SUPER MODEL OF THE WORLD AINT SO PICKY NO MORE.........READ SOME OF THE PRETTY GIRLS PROFILES, ITS ALL ABOUT THEM, ITS ALL ABOUT THIER GREATNESS, THEIR GIFT TO THIS WORLD.......YES, I SEEK A GIRL TO LIVE WITH, COOMIT WITH GROW OLD WITH......FUCK THE DICK SHIT.....ALL I GET WHEN I PUT MY BIO ON YAHOO ABOUT SEEKING LOVE IS, 45 50 YEAROLD TRANSGERED OR CROSSDRESSED MESSES.......I SEEK A FUCKING EQUAL, NOT AN OLD MAN WHO JUST REALISED AT 50 THAT HE WANTS TO BE A FUCKIN WOMAN.........YO I RATHER BE ALONE......MUST OF YOU GIRLS COULD READ OR SPELL THE WORD COMMITMENT, DEVOTION, TRUE LOVE...YOUR JUST LIKE 90% OF THE GUYS ON THIS SITE.....LOOKING TO GET YOUR NUT OFF AND WHOS THE NEW HOTTIE.......FUCK YA ALL....THERE THATS WHAT IM LOOKING FOR...THE WHITE BUFFALO......

Mega, you make a lot of great points. You know, it's funny, 90% of the girls can't get past the trick and the 'lifestyle' to see what is going on underneath but you know what they say speed kills and in the end it is the lifestyle which takes its toll. The TS girls are no different than anyone else except they don't hide the fact that they are about getting all they can as soon and as quick as possible.

We all have made mistakes in past relationships. I never judge girls for what they have done in the past because we all have a few skelatons. The key is how we learn from them and go on with our lives.

[swimnn]

Someone who can be a lady in public and wild in bed. That's why I like T-girls. They understand a guys sex drive.

[AllanahStarrNYC]

I think a lot of men feel like this with a lot of girls...
Which by the way I think is a HILARIOUS costume

[swimnn]

I'd love to wear that next time I go to Peanuts.

[Jennifer_English]

I think a lot of men feel like this with a lot of girls...
Which by the way I think is a HILARIOUS costume

ROFL

:O) xx[/quote]

[Jennifer_English]

It's not as black and white as some of you guys would conveniently like to think.

First of all, who among you can guarentee that you'd feel the same about your TS significant other if she went from pre- to post-op, mid-relationship?

Oh. But you want a guarentee that we'll remain pre-op? Because many TS's do want SRS when the time is right.

So have you thought about which state's marriage laws will suit you best?

Oh, wait. You don't want to eventually get married? Not interested in a commitment? So we should provide you with a temporary escape, with no potential for it to delelop into something deeper?

And the list goes on.

often true sadly.....

xx

*edited once sobered up!!!*

[Quinn]

We all have made mistakes in past relationships. I never judge girls for what they have done in the past because we all have a few skelatons.

If you don't know a person's skeletons, then you don't know the person. Skeletons exist for a reason, usually giving critical insight to that part of a person that goes beyond what they wish to project to the outside world for their own benefit.

In short, if you look beyond the skeletons, you look beyond a crucial part of the person.

-Quinn

[AllanahStarrNYC]

It's not as black and white as some of you guys would conveniently like to think.

First of all, who among you can guarentee that you'd feel the same about your TS significant other if she went from pre- to post-op, mid-relationship?

Oh. But you want a guarentee that we'll remain pre-op? Because many TS's do want SRS when the time is right.

So have you thought about which state's marriage laws will suit you best?

Oh, wait. You don't want to eventually get married? Not interested in a commitment? So we should provide you with a temporary escape, with no potential for it to delelop into something deeper?

And the list goes on.

many excellent points- especially the pre to post comment.

[BrendaQG]

A woman they can trust. Someone who will not backstab them as soon as it is convienient. Take their house, money, kids and basically give her stuff plus some of his stuff to another man. There is no quick way to prove one is so trustable.

[AllanahStarrNYC]

you are on a rollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll llllllllllllllll!!

BRA-MOTHERFUCKING-VO

[zerrrr]

It's not as black and white as some of you guys would conveniently like to think.

First of all, who among you can guarentee that you'd feel the same about your TS significant other if she went from pre- to post-op, mid-relationship?

Oh. But you want a guarentee that we'll remain pre-op? Because many TS's do want SRS when the time is right.

So have you thought about which state's marriage laws will suit you best?

Oh, wait. You don't want to eventually get married? Not interested in a commitment? So we should provide you with a temporary escape, with no potential for it to delelop into something deeper?

And the list goes on.

The pre-op to post-op needs to be addresses at the beginning. The guy is expecting his girl to have a littel something extra while the Tgirl stopped being a man for a reason. If she wants SRS and he wants her the way she is then there will be problems.

The marriage thing is important if you consider it important. You can have a successful relationship if both sides are on the same page and walking together towards the future.

[zerrrr]

We all have made mistakes in past relationships. I never judge girls for what they have done in the past because we all have a few skelatons.

If you don't know a person's skeletons, then you don't know the person. Skeletons exist for a reason, usually giving critical insight to that part of a person that goes beyond what they wish to project to the outside world for their own benefit.

In short, if you look beyond the skeletons, you look beyond a crucial part of the person.

-Quinn

I am not saying not knowing a persons skelatons but how we respond to any failure in life, no matter how small, tells us a lot about the type of person we are. That was the point I was trying to make and should have been a bit more clear.

[BrendaQG]

And it seems that most men are not at all open about their attraction to TS's w/ their family and friends anyway. Well, who the fuck would want to be a secret in some coward's closet? Many of them are not even capable of having healthy relationships with GG's anyway; which imho should be alot less complicated.

So right. My own nephew looking over my shoulder at this website said "thats someting I would do but never tell my homies about." After all I've done for that ingrate thats still the way he looks at people like us. :-/

Then there is the phenomena among black men in particular where they will have sex with you, take you places they don't normally go, not because they see you as being as much a woman as a GG but because you are so femm. That one (who deep down they see as male) who is so very feminine is just as good as a "real woman" for sex. That while they don't see themselves as gay, they still see you as being a male. Sort of a "prizon" point of view on the whole thing. :-\ Something they don't care to discuss after the deed is done.

[DJ_Asia]

So right. My own nephew looking over my shoulder at this website said "thats someting I would do but never tell my homies about." After all I've done for that ingrate thats still the way he looks at people like us. :-/

Then there is the phenomena among black men in particular where they will have sex with you, take you places they don't normally go, not because they see you as being as much a woman as a GG but because you are so femm. That one (who deep down they see as male) who is so very feminine is just as good as a "real woman" for sex. That while they don't see themselves as gay, they still see you as being a male. Sort of a "prizon" point of view on the whole thing. :-\ Something they don't care to discuss after the deed is done.Pretty sad but homophobes (in the true sense, meaning "the fear of being/becoming homosexual") are more common than is generally perceived.

Have you ever read/seen Last Exit to Brooklyn? Great book, and so was the movie. Anyway, the Harry Black character is the type of sexually repressed person I'm referring to.

Regardless, I believe there's a distinction to be made between the two extremes, although I think that many fall somewhere in between. Those being, the guys who are attracted to pre-ops despite our cocks, and the ones who are attracted to us because of them.

Kinda going in circles here on this topic.I think that alot of TG women are their own worst enemy when it comes to the whole relationship thing.

Alot of guys wont ever tell anyone that theyre attracted to TS,and will keep their girls as dark dirty little secrets,which of course is def not fair to the girl.
However many guys who do finally clear that obstacle and become open to friends and family about their appreciation and attraction to TS,are suddenly labled as "tranny chasers" and are scorned and ridiculed by the TS themselves.A vicious cycle.You cant have it both ways.

As to what I want in a woman.....I already found it.

DJ Asia

[specialk]

So right. My own nephew looking over my shoulder at this website said "thats someting I would do but never tell my homies about." After all I've done for that ingrate thats still the way he looks at people like us. :-/

Then there is the phenomena among black men in particular where they will have sex with you, take you places they don't normally go, not because they see you as being as much a woman as a GG but because you are so femm. That one (who deep down they see as male) who is so very feminine is just as good as a "real woman" for sex. That while they don't see themselves as gay, they still see you as being a male. Sort of a "prizon" point of view on the whole thing. :-\ Something they don't care to discuss after the deed is done.Pretty sad but homophobes (in the true sense, meaning "the fear of being/becoming homosexual") are more common than is generally perceived.

Have you ever read/seen Last Exit to Brooklyn? Great book, and so was the movie. Anyway, the Harry Black character is the type of sexually repressed person I'm referring to.

Regardless, I believe there's a distinction to be made between the two extremes, although I think that many fall somewhere in between. Those being, the guys who are attracted to pre-ops despite our cocks, and the ones who are attracted to us because of them.

Kinda going in circles here on this topic.I think that alot of TG women are their own worst enemy when it comes to the whole relationship thing.

Alot of guys wont ever tell anyone that theyre attracted to TS,and will keep their girls as dark dirty little secrets,which of course is def not fair to the girl.
However many guys who do finally clear that obstacle and become open to friends and family about their appreciation and attraction to TS,are suddenly labled as "tranny chasers" and are scorned and ridiculed by the TS themselves.A vicious cycle.You cant have it both ways.

As to what I want in a woman.....I already found it.

DJ Asia

I want what he's got^^^^^ :wink:

[Dkg]

Does anyone really know what they want :?:

[BrendaQG]

So right. My own nephew looking over my shoulder at this website said "thats someting I would do but never tell my homies about." After all I've done for that ingrate thats still the way he looks at people like us. :-/

Then there is the phenomena among black men in particular where they will have sex with you, take you places they don't normally go, not because they see you as being as much a woman as a GG but because you are so femm. That one (who deep down they see as male) who is so very feminine is just as good as a "real woman" for sex. That while they don't see themselves as gay, they still see you as being a male. Sort of a "prizon" point of view on the whole thing. :-\ Something they don't care to discuss after the deed is done.Pretty sad but homophobes (in the true sense, meaning "the fear of being/becoming homosexual") are more common than is generally perceived.

Have you ever read/seen Last Exit to Brooklyn? Great book, and so was the movie. Anyway, the Harry Black character is the type of sexually repressed person I'm referring to.

Regardless, I believe there's a distinction to be made between the two extremes, although I think that many fall somewhere in between. Those being, the guys who are attracted to pre-ops despite our cocks, and the ones who are attracted to us because of them.

Kinda going in circles here on this topic.I think that alot of TG women are their own worst enemy when it comes to the whole relationship thing.

Alot of guys wont ever tell anyone that theyre attracted to TS,and will keep their girls as dark dirty little secrets,which of course is def not fair to the girl.
However many guys who do finally clear that obstacle and become open to friends and family about their appreciation and attraction to TS,are suddenly labled as "tranny chasers" and are scorned and ridiculed by the TS themselves.A vicious cycle.You cant have it both ways.

As to what I want in a woman.....I already found it.

DJ Asia
Depends on what you mean by " open to friends and family about their appreciation and attraction to TS". If you mean attraction to a specific transsexual that's one thing. Calling such a man a chaser would be asinine. More often than not here is the vicious cirlce. TS woman finds man, TS woman has SRS, Woman looses man because man has "appreciation and attraction to TS" and not women. Such is why TS's have learned to be warry of men who seek TS's specifically.

@Arianna

So true. At least the black men I spoke of are attracted to girls like us inspite of the penis. Even if their attitude reveals that they do not see us as being females. More like an extension of the well known way black people view homosexual male relationships. Where M2F TS's would be the ultimate bottom, the sweetest of the "sweet booty's". Whom it is ok for a straight man to screw because you are just so damm feminine.

:-?

Well nothings perfect. All I want in a man is for him to treat me right. I will just not try to probe his motivations an enjoy the ride.

[DJ_Asia]

Brenda,

No disrespect but I dont know many men who are attracted to just ONE TS.Either you like TS's or you dont,and chances are that if a guy "discovers" nirvana with his first TS woman,then when that relationship is over he prolly will seek another.Not always,but im willing to bet more often than not.
I came out to my family and friends a few years ago,against the advice of every TS girl I knew,and it was one of the best,most stress relieving things I couldve done.Heck my method was so succesful that I have had 2 TS friends call me for advice on how their boyfriends should come out to their loved ones...and it worked for them too.
Personally I know of a few guys who want to date a TS....not a specific TS,but simply a TS,"any chick with a dick will do" attitude,and that to me is a prototypical "tranny chaser".And mazingly enough this one guy in particular has landed two very fine TS's recently even though they both knew what his game was....bizarre.
DJ Asia

[BrendaQG]

I'm not so much talking about a fantasy of being a mans one and only woman TS or otherwise. I am more thinking of a man who likes women and TS's are part of that group as far as he is concerned. He would choose a woman because he likes her without checking under her skirt first.

DJ Would a man who wants the "nirvana" of a TS still feel he was getting nirvana if he was with a stealth post-op? Or would that nirvana still happen even though he would not know for 100% certain the woman was TS? You know because of her personality traits that are common to TS's. Or is it the hardware or the kowledge that she has/had the hardware? What is it that gives you that "Nirvana of dating a TS"?

Furthermore your paragraph contradicts itself. At first you talk of how of course a man who like TS women would seek a relationship with another TS woman. Then you call a guy who did just that a classic chaser. :-?

[Trogdor]

Brenda,

No disrespect but I dont know many men who are attracted to just ONE TS.Either you like TS's or you dont,and chances are that if a guy "discovers" nirvana with his first TS woman,then when that relationship is over he prolly will seek another.Not always,but im willing to bet more often than not.
I came out to my family and friends a few years ago,against the advice of every TS girl I knew,and it was one of the best,most stress relieving things I couldve done.Heck my method was so succesful that I have had 2 TS friends call me for advice on how their boyfriends should come out to their loved ones...and it worked for them too.
Personally I know of a few guys who want to date a TS....not a specific TS,but simply a TS,"any chick with a dick will do" attitude,and that to me is a prototypical "tranny chaser".And mazingly enough this one guy in particular has landed two very fine TS's recently even though they both knew what his game was....bizarre.
DJ Asia

DJ, I think a good public service here would be to maybe tell everyone how and what you said to your family, cause I am sure alot of us guys could every bit of help with telling the friends and family.




Now what I want from a girl?

This might sound sad, but I want a girl ( TG or GG ) to actually say instead of, "Awww, You're such a sweet guy and you're really cute and all, but can't we just be friends instead? I'd hate to risk ruining what we have." and rather say, "Sure, it's a date! :D "

Sad, ain't it. :P

[ezed]

What do men want? I can't speak for all men, but I'll speak for myself. I want whatever you're willing to give me and accept what you're not. and I expect the same from you. If we become soulmates it happens or does not. If it doesn't walk away don't look back. It was not meant to be. Why waste time forcing a square peg into a round hole when it ain't going to happen.

Some men feel "But she's so beautiful, I have to have her". They want a trophy and will comprise their nature and bend to her will to get what they want. .... this will end in a mess.

You are what you are accept it or you'll never be happy.

[Mustard_Plug]

I havent posted here in a while and it seems I am in a similar situation. You know Ive always been the guy that most girls like to hang out with but never take the next step with. Like Trogdor said, they dont want to mess up the friendship. So case in point, right now Im tryin to get with this one girl I know, she is twenty and has never had a boyfriend at all, not to say she isnt good looking, on the contrary she is oh average beauty but her personality and her sense of humor is what makes her desirable to me.

Now she has been asked out quite a few times, well alot actually. One guy was a number one ranked florida karate expert or something like that, ex model, and had a lot of money and a nice car, she turned him down flat. Same with about eight other guys. So i pretty much decided to take another approach.

Now while I really wanted to ask her out, I decided that sense most guys ask her out without really knowing her that much, that I would spend more time as a friend and be just another male guy, while listening and observing. Basically I ended up learnin alot about her, does not like over confident pretty boy guys, does not like preps, hates players, does not believe in casual dating, and would rather be friends with a guy first then date him.

But there in lies the conodrum, for me at least, since hangin out with her and being just her friend, Ive really begun to like her more, and I can sense the same with her I think. She does like to spend time with me and she is more open about her past than in the beginnin of our friendship, but now it feels if I make a move and Im wrong, I could very well make our friendship awkward and then not have it all. But the urge to hold her and tell her the things I really want to say is getting stronger everytime I see her, that I want to take the risk.

In either case Im not really sure how this pertains to the thread anymore, but Im glad I vented it out.

[olite71]

I believe that from all my life experiences--from all that I've seen first hand and all that I've lived and all that I've read in books that what men want can most concisely be stated as this.

Men want most for those around them to think of them as a success, to be appreciated, loved, respected for those things that are considered "manly."

I think in her wonderful book, "Stiffed" Susan Faludi hit a nerve. Men want to be cowboys and providers and heroes....It may not be so easy today for good reason--a lot of being cowbosy and providers required the subservience of women. But times have changed.

I think Faludi was right and deep down men want that, but the ones that can't achieve it sometimes get quite dysfunctional.

I think in today's world the best thing a man can do is never to kid himself or lie to himself---we all do it every day and it is probably impossible to never do it, unless your Ghandi or something---but just to try every day--to make a conscious and sincere effort not to kid yourself, not to lie to yourself--that'll put you on the road to a healthy male existence.

[Trogdor]

This might sound sad, but I want a girl ( TG or GG ) to actually say instead of, "Awww, You're such a sweet guy and you're really cute and all, but can't we just be friends instead? I'd hate to risk ruining what we have." and rather say, "Sure, it's a date! :D " But you're leaving out the part about how you approached this person. Try to understand that some women get approached ALOT. It may sound unfair, but a shitty first impression will ruin your chances in most cases. The minute I sense that a guy is unsure about something, I become unsure about what the hell is on his mind. At that point, I have no real interest. By the same token, an overconfident guy is doomed to fail w/ me as well. Because they make dumb assumptions about what I'm like, and what works on me. That's a major turn-off too.

Here is an example:

Girl: Normally someone I've known for along time, sometimes going all the way back to kindergarten. I've been friends with em for ages. They know alot about me and can trust me with anything.

The guys then end up going with: '' Bad-asses " "Bad Boys" Jerks, Punks, Emenem Wannabies, Rock and roll wannabies, Jocks, etc.

I got such a topic posted not long ago, Arianna.
http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=10977&highlight=girls

And the girl and myself would be in normal conversation and we talk about anything, homework, last night's game on TV, the new CD someone we listen to that came out, you get the idea. And we talk about how we are gonnaspend the weekend and stuff like that and I simply and casually ask the girl out.

From ages 15 to 21, I got shot down EACH TIME, and I must have tried with over 50 girls and I got the same old shit and 80% of the time they would be dating one of those bad-asses who I think probably has some past criminal record. At 21, I met a girl who I dated, though she was a real rare find, a girl who was direct to the point, would ask guys ( and girls ) out that she liked, did not date jerks and bad-boys, did not beat around the bush on issues, if she was asked out by someone she did not like, she'd flat out tell em no I dont like yas; and had the sex drive of a horny 15 year old male. Untill she and her family moved away, things were good. Unfortunately girls like her are rare it seems.



The minute I sense that a guy is unsure about something, I become unsure about what the hell is on his mind. At that point, I have no real interest. By the same token, an overconfident guy is doomed to fail w/ me as well. Because they make dumb assumptions about what I'm like, and what works on me. That's a major turn-off too.

:idea: Alrighty then, enlighten us. How should we approach the ladies, eh? Make an example or two for us, please.

[DJ_Asia]

Brenda,

No disrespect but I dont know many men who are attracted to just ONE TS.Either you like TS's or you dont,and chances are that if a guy "discovers" nirvana with his first TS woman,then when that relationship is over he prolly will seek another.Not always,but im willing to bet more often than not.
I came out to my family and friends a few years ago,against the advice of every TS girl I knew,and it was one of the best,most stress relieving things I couldve done.Heck my method was so succesful that I have had 2 TS friends call me for advice on how their boyfriends should come out to their loved ones...and it worked for them too.
Personally I know of a few guys who want to date a TS....not a specific TS,but simply a TS,"any chick with a dick will do" attitude,and that to me is a prototypical "tranny chaser".And mazingly enough this one guy in particular has landed two very fine TS's recently even though they both knew what his game was....bizarre.
DJ Asia

DJ, I think a good public service here would be to maybe tell everyone how and what you said to your family, cause I am sure alot of us guys could every bit of help with telling the friends and family.




Now what I want from a girl?

This might sound sad, but I want a girl ( TG or GG ) to actually say instead of, "Awww, You're such a sweet guy and you're really cute and all, but can't we just be friends instead? I'd hate to risk ruining what we have." and rather say, "Sure, it's a date! :D "

Sad, ain't it. :P

I am in the middle of a long photo shooting roadtrip,but when I get back home and recoup,I will post that info for you and anybody else in a new thread.

DJ Asia