PREP: Who is on Truvada?

[Westheangelino]

Hey all! Been quite awhile since I posted on here. I'd love to know where the forum stands on the issue today. I remember using Truvada daily to prevent HIV infection met with quite a bit of skepticism and resistance only a couple years ago. I don't know about your communities, but it's kind of hard not to be informed now in L.A. There are billboards, education campaigns, etc.

So....is anyone currently taking their blue pill? If so, how has your sex life changed since you started? Or has it changed at all?

[BLKGSXR]

Hey all! Been quite awhile since I posted on here. I'd love to know where the forum stands on the issue today. I remember using Truvada daily to prevent HIV infection met with quite a bit of skepticism and resistance only a couple years ago. I don't know about your communities, but it's kind of hard not to be informed now in L.A. There are billboards, education campaigns, etc.

So....is anyone currently taking their blue pill? If so, how has your sex life changed since you started? Or has it changed at all?

Only heard about it, and some of the local LA girls are on it. I wish most the escorts and bar regulars were on it, I've only ever heard good things about it.
A friend who lives in Thailand told me to go to the RedCross and I can get tons of it while I was there. Unfortunately, I did not BIG mistake I could have sent it home and made a killing lol.

[Westheangelino]

^ the window is closing! Soon, big cities will likely all have a free Prep program. Possibly even whole states. For example, the L.A. county dept of health is currently working on a plan to give it out for free to anyone who wants it. Simple numbers game of prevention vs. medicating someone with multiple drugs forever

[nysprod]

Only heard about it, and some of the local LA girls are on it. I wish most the escorts and bar regulars were on it, I've only ever heard good things about it.
A friend who lives in Thailand told me to go to the RedCross and I can get tons of it while I was there. Unfortunately, I did not BIG mistake I could have sent it home and made a killing lol.

One of the reasons U.S. drug prices are high (in addition to the greed of the companies) is the rampant counterfeiting of medications thru-out Asia, effectively closing off potentially huge markets.

[Westheangelino]

^ That is the huge danger with this drug. I hope no one is cruel enough to counterfeit this and sell it, but I'm sure it's happening. One thing to buy bunk molly or coke that's just baking soda, but this is your life. Go through a doctor folks! There are multiple ways to get this for free or subsidized, and as I said before soon it will be widely available for free! I just worry for those in countries where it isn't approved yet.

[Laphroaig]

West, the previous threads established that, while Truvada is effective in preventing the spread of HIV, it has no effect whatsoever in stopping infection of all the other nasty STD's that are out there, gonorrhea, syphylis, hepatitis, etc.

The threads also established that you were perfectly happy to irresponsibly ignore the risk of catching those and the multitide of other STD's out there, while barebacking on Truvada.

So, the questions are, after 2 years of barebacking while on Truvada.

1. Have you caught anything else?
2. Have you had any side effects?
3. Who's backing you to promote it this time?
4. Is it actually any more effective than the much cheaper option of condoms, which have the added benefit of preventing transmission of many other STD's?

You ducked most of those before, time now to answer (honestly).

[dreamon]

Hey all! Been quite awhile since I posted on here. I'd love to know where the forum stands on the issue today. I remember using Truvada daily to prevent HIV infection met with quite a bit of skepticism and resistance only a couple years ago. I don't know about your communities, but it's kind of hard not to be informed now in L.A. There are billboards, education campaigns, etc.

So....is anyone currently taking their blue pill? If so, how has your sex life changed since you started? Or has it changed at all?

The resistance wasn't to using Truvada, the resistance were to your frankly ridiculous claims that it could do things like prevent HIV 100%, or even cure it, and your insistence that condoms are now useless, despite the fact they prevent against other STIs and VDs. There is still risk in barebacking even with Truvada, and your claims are a bit too fantastical to be realistic. There is benefits to using PrEP but you can't act like it is 100% effective all the time.

[Westheangelino]

West, the previous threads established that, while Truvada is effective in preventing the spread of HIV, it has no effect whatsoever in stopping infection of all the other nasty STD's that are out there, gonorrhea, syphylis, hepatitis, etc.

The threads also established that you were perfectly happy to irresponsibly ignore the risk of catching those and the multitide of other STD's out there, while barebacking on Truvada.

So, the questions are, after 2 years of barebacking while on Truvada.

1. Have you caught anything else?
2. Have you had any side effects?
3. Who's backing you to promote it this time?
4. Is it actually any more effective than the much cheaper option of condoms, which have the added benefit of preventing transmission of many other STD's?

You ducked most of those before, time now to answer (honestly).


Some honest answers to your mostly dishonest questions:

1. I have had one case of chlamydia. This is not uncommon for a sexually active msm over the course of two years. In fact, I'd say it's quite normal and to be expected.

2. Absolutely zero side effects, which is also common with truvada for prep.

3. No one is paying me or has ever paid me to promote truvada. Years ago you lambasted me as some plant for Gilead, the manufacturer of Truvada, who was preaching the gospel for money. This is truly ridiculous, and I'm not ducking this or any other question and never have. I actually give a damn about people not contracting HIV and want everyone to know that there is now (and has been for three years) a viable option for preventing HIV other than condoms (which as a prevention strategy has only proven somewhat effective.

4. When used correctly Truvada is 99% effective. It all comes down to use. Do you expect a man to take a daily pill or to cover up with a condom during every sexcapade? You all know the answer whether you admit it out loud or not. Also, truvada has been shown to reduce the risk of herpes infection, something which condoms are not effective at preventing at all.

[Westheangelino]

The resistance wasn't to using Truvada, the resistance were to your frankly ridiculous claims that it could do things like prevent HIV 100%, or even cure it, and your insistence that condoms are now useless, despite the fact they prevent against other STIs and VDs. There is still risk in barebacking even with Truvada, and your claims are a bit too fantastical to be realistic. There is benefits to using PrEP but you can't act like it is 100% effective all the time.

Stop lying and putting words in my mouth. I never said Truvada can "cure" HIV. I do think that it can end the HIV pandemic in our lifetime, which is quite a different claim and something that a condom only strategy has proven incapable of coming close to doing.

99% effective is good enough for me.

[rodinuk]

.. Do you expect a man to take a daily pill or to cover up with a condom during every sexcapade?

Yes.

[Laphroaig]

West, it's very simple, if you truly wanted to help eradicate HIV as you claim, then your message would be to use BOTH Truvada AND condoms together as the most effective method. Instead you continue with your evangelical like crusade for the use of truvada alone.

Once again, you've proved that your only real concern is your own selfish pleasure.

Antibiotic resistant forms of a number of different STDs are increasing. While I believe that, at the moment, some of the scare stories are exaggerated, there's no doubt that at some point whether in 5 or 50 years time a crisis is imminent. It's irresponsible people like you and your false message that will speed it's arrival.

Nobody on here is doubting that Truvada has it's use, but every person who thinks condoms are unnecessary after reading your posts, and contracts an STD as a result, is on your conscience.

[Westheangelino]

I suppose I'll pose one very simple question to you all (let's see if you are as forthcoming and honest as I am): should MSM (men who have sex with men) with multiple partners (i.e. non monogamous) take Truvada or not regardless of whether or not they use condoms?

[Laphroaig]

Yes they should, if they are barebacking. However, because that's a lifestyle choice (barebacking, not being gay, before anyone asks), they should pay for it, not be given it for free.

I don't know the costs involved, so I dont know if a lifetimes supply of Truvada is cheaper than a lifetimes supply of HIV treatment medication.

[Westheangelino]

Yes they should, if they are barebacking. However, because that's a lifestyle choice (barebacking, not being gay, before anyone asks), they should pay for it, not be given it for free.

I don't know the costs involved, so I dont know if a lifetimes supply of Truvada is cheaper than a lifetimes supply of HIV treatment medication.


Interesting response. Trying to wrap my head around your logic. Where to start....

1. It's pretty easy to figure out which is more or less expensive. Truvada is one of several drugs prescribed to people who are already HIV positive. Currently, they have to take their drug cocktail FOREVER on a daily basis or they WILL become sick and eventually die. There have been periods over the past two years when I have been in months long monogamous relationships with female partners and thus temporarily stopped taking Truvada. Truvada can or cannot be used all your life. If you want to have unprotected anal sex with various partners for your entire life, then you should definitely take it. However, I think we can both agree that that is not going to be a reality for most people.

2. Some would argue that being gay or trans is a lifestyle choice. Smoking, eating fatty foods, drinking alcohol, skydiving, having children are DEFINITELY lifestyle choices. So, where are you going to draw the line here? Are we to deny insurance coverage or medicade/care to life long smokers? Take the skydiver out of traction when his chute doesn't open? Do you stand with certain people and companies who don't want to pay for birth control because they claim not to want to pay for women who just want to have promiscuous sex?

3. How do you feel about serodiscordant couples? (one poz one neg)? Should they continue wearing condoms til death do them part?

[Laphroaig]

1. I said I didn't know the costs, so thank you for partially enlightening me. You always manage to avoid answering what the actual cost of using truvada is anyway. However, I think we can both agree that condoms are still a far more cost effective method of prevention, so that negates your argument altogether. If you have a lifestyle where, you never know when the next one night stand is going to happen, then you would have to be on Truvada FOREVER (or at least until you stop being sexually active, which these days could be 80+). What happens if during one of your monogamous periods, while not on truvada, you feel the urge for something more risky? Condoms, you can always carry in your wallet, and only need to throw away after their expiry date.

2. There's no point in going down that argument. People have no control over their sexuality, but they can control how they live their life. As for your examples. Smokers, yes I would deny them. The risks and links to various diseases are well documented and publicised so there's no excuses anymore. Skydiving is ok, accidents happen and that's why they pay insurance. Birth control is more complicated, as that's more of a religious objection which is an entirely different argument.

3. Yes, in the grand scheme of things, if they want to be together, it's hardly a big sacrifice.

[Westheangelino]

1. I said I didn't know the costs, so thank you for partially enlightening me. You always manage to avoid answering what the actual cost of using truvada is anyway. However, I think we can both agree that condoms are still a far more cost effective method of prevention, so that negates your argument altogether. If you have a lifestyle where, you never know when the next one night stand is going to happen, then you would have to be on Truvada FOREVER (or at least until you stop being sexually active, which these days could be 80+). What happens if during one of your monogamous periods, while not on truvada, you feel the urge for something more risky? Condoms, you can always carry in your wallet, and only need to throw away after their expiry date.

2. There's no point in going down that argument. People have no control over their sexuality, but they can control how they live their life. As for your examples. Smokers, yes I would deny them. The risks and links to various diseases are well documented and publicised so there's no excuses anymore. Skydiving is ok, accidents happen and that's why they pay insurance. Birth control is more complicated, as that's more of a religious objection which is an entirely different argument.

3. Yes, in the grand scheme of things, if they want to be together, it's hardly a big sacrifice.

Sir, your points are completely inane. Also, please stop stating that I'm dodging questions. I've been quite honest and forthright.

NO, we do not agree that condoms are a more effective strategy. If that were the case we wouldn't be having this discussion. Also, the idea that a couple should use condoms forever is completely crazy and also ineffective. Even in a perfect case scenario, what if the condom fails? You do know this happens a lot right?

Also, are we to deny coverage for people already being treated for HIV already? You would pull the plug on smokers, so why not for someone who was barebacking in the 90's and now has their medical bill picked up by the state?

In short, your odd preoccupation with cost and your complete lack of understanding of how people enjoy sex lead me to believe that you're completely out of touch.

[Westheangelino]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2015/09/04/in-new-study-hiv-prevention-pill-truvada-is-startlingly-100-percent-effective/


BOOM

[Laphroaig]

:banghead:banghead Note, I said more cost effective not more effective, there's a subtle but distinct difference which you failed to pick up on. However, you are dodging questions because you've never addressed the issue of the cost of truvada, whether on this thread or previous ones.

I'm not saying that condoms alone are the perfect answer, but if used correctly, which many people don't, then failures are rare. I've already stated that the most effective strategy would be the use of both. It's your continued crusade for the sole use of Truvada in place of condoms that I find to be utterly stupid and irresponsible.

As for whether I'd "pull the plug" as you put it, I'm not getting into that debate with you as it's pointless because our NHS in the UK is run in a very different way to the US system and I don't even pretend to fully understand how that works.

[Westheangelino]

http://www.aidsmap.com/Provision-of-PrEP-in-the-UK-will-be-cost-effective-for-gay-men-at-high-risk-of-HIV-model-finds/page/2972926/

Here you go. This should answer most of your cost questions, specially tailored to your English sensibilities.

[Laphroaig]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2015/09/04/in-new-study-hiv-prevention-pill-truvada-is-startlingly-100-percent-effective/


BOOM

I'll repeat it again, because you don't appear to be able to read. I've never disputed that Truvada is effective against HIV, but there are many more STD's out there, therefore overall condoms or a combination of both are better.


http://www.aidsmap.com/Provision-of-PrEP-in-the-UK-will-be-cost-effective-for-gay-men-at-high-risk-of-HIV-model-finds/page/2972926/



Here you go. This should answer most of your cost questions, specially tailored to your English sensibilities.

Again, this ONLY deals with HIV and even then, admits that it would only be cost effective if only offered to those having CONDOMLESS sex. In otherwords, the use of condoms effectively negates the need to take drugs for the rest of your (sexual) life.

Oh, and one other fact you're showing your total ignorance over. I'm SCOTTISH, not English. Please learn the difference.

I'll ask you one question, is truvada alone a better option than truvada and condoms combined in preventing the spread of STD's?

[MrFanti]

I suppose I'll pose one very simple question to you all (let's see if you are as forthcoming and honest as I am): should MSM (men who have sex with men) with multiple partners (i.e. non monogamous) take Truvada or not regardless of whether or not they use condoms?

Actually, you still haven't answered his questions regarding Hep, Syph, and gon...

[Westheangelino]

Actually, you still haven't answered his questions regarding Hep, Syph, and gon...


I didn't see a question regarding those. Which is?

[MrFanti]

I didn't see a question regarding those. Which is?\

Back to dodging........

Cheers!

[Laphroaig]

Actually, you still haven't answered his questions regarding Hep, Syph, and gon...

Amongst all the other concerns/questions that he's failed to address...

For anyone willing to set aside a few hours of their life to read them, here's West's 2 previous threads on the subject, in which exactly the same issues were raised.

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?87385-TRUVADA-Why-are-we-ALL-not-taking-this-!!!!

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?93130-Raise-Your-Hand-if-You-Take-TRUVADA!-BE-PROUD

I'm going to leave my final word on this subject to the late Prospero, who, as far as I'm concerned, summed it up perfectly in the first thread.


I would strongly advise anyone visiting these boards to ignore this irresponsible fool

[gaysian71]

I'm not on truvada. But I was on a big cock the other night. And it was attached to a gorgeous girl. Does that count? Mmmmmm

[Westheangelino]

Silence on this issue will only result in more HIV infections. Do your research, people! Take the blue pill!

[Westheangelino]

Anyone in the porn industry care to share? Do you think it should be mandatory for actors?

[Westheangelino]

The silence is deafening, but PREP use keeps rising!

Anyone care to share?

[Laphroaig]

The silence is deafening, but PREP use keeps rising!

Anyone care to share?

Share what, all the other STD's that Truvada doesn't protect against? No thanks.

You've proven time and time again that you can't be honest and answer a direct question, so please fuck off and crawl back under the rock you came out from under.

[Westheangelino]

Look, if you aren't on it, don't comment. You keep claiming that I don't answer your questions, but I DO. You just don't like the answers.

[Westheangelino]

http://www.washingtonblade.com/2016/09/30/truvada-use-financial-benefits-study/

Hell yes! The good news keeps pouring in about this MIRACLE DRUG!!!!

[Lovecox]

If it wasn't so expensive I would be all over it.

[Westheangelino]

http://getprepla.com/provider_directory.html

Do you live in L.A.? It's free, my friend!

[Laphroaig]

Look, if you aren't on it, don't comment. You keep claiming that I don't answer your questions, but I DO. You just don't like the answers.

Really, here's just a few of the questions/issues that you keep ducking...


West, it's very simple, if you truly wanted to help eradicate HIV as you claim, then your message would be to use BOTH Truvada AND condoms together as the most effective method. Instead you continue with your evangelical like crusade for the use of truvada alone.



NO RESPONSE?



Antibiotic resistant forms of a number of different STDs are increasing. While I believe that, at the moment, some of the scare stories are exaggerated, there's no doubt that at some point whether in 5 or 50 years time a crisis is imminent. It's irresponsible people like you and your false message that will speed it's arrival.


NO RESPONSE?



You always manage to avoid answering what the actual cost of using truvada is anyway.



However, you are dodging questions because you've never addressed the issue of the cost of truvada, whether on this thread or previous ones.

NO ANSWER? (Hint I’m looking for $/month, not some bullshit about insurance picking up the tab. In the end, we ALL pay for insurance)


What happens if during one of your monogamous periods, while not on truvada, you feel the urge for something more risky? Condoms, you can always carry in your wallet, and only need to throw away after their expiry date.

NO ANSWER?


I've already stated that the most effective strategy would be the use of both. It's your continued crusade for the sole use of Truvada in place of condoms that I find to be utterly stupid and irresponsible.

NO DEFENCE?



Again, this ONLY deals with HIV and even then, admits that it would only be cost effective if only offered to those having CONDOMLESS sex. In otherwords, the use of condoms effectively negates the need to take drugs for the rest of your (sexual) life.

NO REPLY?



I'll ask you one question, is truvada alone a better option than truvada and condoms combined in preventing the spread of STD's?

NO ANSWER? (Hint, it’s a simple yes/no)


Actually, you still haven't answered his questions regarding Hep, Syph, and gon...

You did answer this one...with a classic attempt at deflection, so I’ll ask it again, Does Truvada give ANY level of protect against Hepatitis, Syphilis, Gonorrhea, etc?


I didn't see a question regarding those. Which is?


You’ve made it clear that the reason you’re on truvada is so that you can carry on with your barebacking activities without the risk of contracting HIV. Fine, you’ll notice, on this thread, I’ve never disputed that Truvada can be effective in that goal. However, you’re also quite prepared to accept and take the risk of contracting and spreading other STD’s while indulging in your chosen lifestyle.

What I take objection to is your continued attempts to persuade others down the same irresponsible path of abandoning condoms entirely in favour of Truvada, which you are receiving for FREE through a trial. Something you conveniently forgot to mention when you started this new thread. In spite of your claims, you’re NOT providing people with the full information, but instead continuing the same promotional crusade that you did the last time.

Your only concern is a pathetic attempt to receive justification and validation of your chosen lifestyle from people on here.

I’ll ask the question again. Is Truvada combined with condom use more effective than the use of Truvada alone in reducing the spread of STD’s? Again, a simple yes/no answer will suffice.

[kingkong12]

We are all aware that you can still contract other diseases while you are using PEP but lets for the moment put that on the back burner.

Using Truvada as a precaution might stem you chances of getting HIV for the moment but the more you use the drug the more the disease has a chance of becoming resistance to it. And in the end you might just contract the disease as it has become resistance to very drug you are using to prevent it. Would that not be irony.

I once asked a doctor why he does not prescribe antibiotics to people who have sore throats or the common illness and his reply was prescribing the drugs willy-nilly increases the chances of drug become resistance.

To further hammer my point in 2016 a man contracted HIV while using Truvada making him the first man to contact HIV while on the drug. Now that is a single case but that can be the beginning of the end. I posted a link to the article below .

http://www.theverge.com/2016/2/29/11136624/man-taking-truvada-contracts-hiv
You might want to think of this.....

[LB1over]

The OP IMHO is a complete idiot living in a bubble of stupidity.
No denying that Truvada is a great pill, but I wouldn't just rely on that to keep HIV away.

Maybe if you actually know when you've been exposed to HIV and you need to take Truvada so your not infected yourself. Then maybe your moronic ignorant attitude will change and you'll do everything you can to stay un-infected.

Go talk to a doctor in the infectious diseases department in a hospital and ask them what they recommend.

[Westheangelino]

The OP IMHO is a complete idiot living in a bubble of stupidity.
No denying that Truvada is a great pill, but I wouldn't just rely on that to keep HIV away.

Maybe if you actually know when you've been exposed to HIV and you need to take Truvada so your not infected yourself. Then maybe your moronic ignorant attitude will change and you'll do everything you can to stay un-infected.

Go talk to a doctor in the infectious diseases department in a hospital and ask them what they recommend.

Actually, you need not go to the doctor! Take the CDC's word for it! That's right, the CENTER FOR DISEASE CONTROL recommends Truvada for those at high risk for contracting HIV (that would likely be everyone on this board btw) http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/basics/prep.html

Also, I'm not sure what your statement even means. Take it when you know you're exposed?

[SanDiegoPervySage]

Actually, you need not go to the doctor! Take the CDC's word for it! That's right, the CENTER FOR DISEASE CONTROL recommends Truvada for those at high risk for contracting HIV (that would likely be everyone on this board btw) http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/basics/prep.html

Also, I'm not sure what your statement even means. Take it when you know you're exposed?

He said it shouldn't be the only precaution you take. He didn't say it isn't recommended. I didn't read through everything but it sounds life you have selective reading and understanding. And why would you not go to the doctor as an additional precaution?

[Westheangelino]

He said it shouldn't be the only precaution you take. He didn't say it isn't recommended. I didn't read through everything but it sounds life you have selective reading and understanding. And why would you not go to the doctor as an additional precaution?


So funny when people who are completely ignorant about a certain subject speak on it! Please do some googling about this MIRACLE DRUG.

[SanDiegoPervySage]

Yeah, selective reading and hearing. Carry on.

[Westheangelino]

http://www.hivplusmag.com/opinion/guest-voices/2013/07/30/why-im-taking-prep-and-maybe-you-should-too

Informative article

[Laphroaig]

Look, if you aren't on it, don't comment. You keep claiming that I don't answer your questions, but I DO. You just don't like the answers.



I’ll ask the question again. Is Truvada combined with condom use more effective than the use of Truvada alone in reducing the spread of STD’s? Again, a simple yes/no answer will suffice.

Still waiting on an answer, West... Your credibility, which was low to start with, just dropped to zero.


http://www.hivplusmag.com/opinion/guest-voices/2013/07/30/why-im-taking-prep-and-maybe-you-should-too

Informative article

Quote from your "informative article"... "Is PrEp better than condoms? Dr. Grant won't go that far,"

Even the links you post don't back you up...:dead:

[SanDiegoPervySage]

Still waiting on an answer, West... Your credibility, which was low to start with, just dropped to zero.



Quote from your "informative article"... "Is PrEp better than condoms? Dr. Grant won't go that far,"

Even the links you post don't back you up...:dead:

But it's a MIRACLE!

[Laphroaig]

http://www.hivplusmag.com/opinion/guest-voices/2013/07/30/why-im-taking-prep-and-maybe-you-should-too

Informative article

Another quote from the article.

"This is serious medication, and unless people take it every day, the protection it offers is greatly reduced. "

One of your main arguments against condoms is that people don't use them correctly. Yet, somehow you expect those same people, who can't do a simple thing like put a condom on properly, to stick to the schedule required to maximise the effectiveness of Truvada.

Wishful (and highly flawed) thinking West. Particularly, given your pathetic performance on this thread, a drop in IQ must be an undocumented side effect of being on Truvada...

[Westheangelino]

Another quote from the article.

"This is serious medication, and unless people take it every day, the protection it offers is greatly reduced. "

One of your main arguments against condoms is that people don't use them correctly. Yet, somehow you expect those same people, who can't do a simple thing like put a condom on properly, to stick to the schedule required to maximise the effectiveness of Truvada.

Wishful (and highly flawed) thinking West. Particularly, given your pathetic performance on this thread, a drop in IQ must be an undocumented side effect of being on Truvada...

You're kidding right? If you were heterosexual, this might be easier for you to understand. Who is more likely to get pregnant: woman who only relies on her partners to use condoms or a woman on the birth control pill? I guess women are better at taking a daily pill than men?

[bulldogtuck]

What's with the sanctimonious attitude toward westheangelino? From what I can tell, he seems to be doing the right thing by reducing risk by taking PrEP, he's being honest with his partners and he's enjoying his life. Besides HIV is not the end of the world. I know poz people that are doing just fine in their sex lives. Some poz people I know are undetectable on meds and they will use no condoms with a knowing negative partner and nothing gets transmitted. Both parties are happy and fine with it.

[SanDiegoPervySage]

What's with the sanctimonious attitude toward westheangelino? From what I can tell, he seems to be doing the right thing by reducing risk by taking PrEP, he's being honest with his partners and he's enjoying his life. Besides HIV is not the end of the world. I know poz people that are doing just fine in their sex lives. Some poz people I know are undetectable on meds and they will use no condoms with a knowing negative partner and nothing gets transmitted. Both parties are happy and fine with it.

His refusal to answer questions as well as his own sources that contradict him on top of thinking this medication is an absolute substitute for condoms and other precautions. like you said, "some" people you know. Not everyone is going to be okay with that. Some may still want to use multiple forms of protection because it's about maximizing your protection, not replacing it.

Yeah its not the end of the world but it stays with you forever and is life changing. People don't want to be on meds of any kind their whole life. Not to mention the cost of medicine.

[Laphroaig]

You're kidding right? If you were heterosexual, this might be easier for you to understand. Who is more likely to get pregnant: woman who only relies on her partners to use condoms or a woman on the birth control pill? I guess women are better at taking a daily pill than men?

Thanks for proving my point. There's a reason they never developed the male contraceptive pill...

Still waiting for an answer...;)

[LB1over]

Also, I'm not sure what your statement even means. Take it when you know you're exposed?[/QUOTE]

It means after you've had sex with somebody then you go to get a blood test together, your results come back as negative but the other persons come back as positive. That's when you've been exposed!!

[Laphroaig]

http://www.hivplusmag.com/opinion/guest-voices/2013/07/30/why-im-taking-prep-and-maybe-you-should-too

Informative article

A couple more quotes from your "informative article"

"Am I telling people to pop a pill and go have bareback sex?

I'm not. "

"yes, you should continue to use condoms even while taking Truvada to avoid getting other STD's."

What have I been saying right throughout this thread?...

Are you now going to argue with your own source material?

[MrFanti]

A couple more quotes from your "informative article"

"Am I telling people to pop a pill and go have bareback sex?

I'm not. "

"yes, you should continue to use condoms even while taking Truvada to avoid getting other STD's."

What have I been saying right throughout this thread?...

Are you now going to argue with your own source material?

LMAO!
I bet he dodges again....

[runningdownthatdream]

Westheangelino is one of these new-fangled social media administrators working for or on behalf of the makers of Truvada. By continuing to engage him, and referencing the articles he posts you're helping him to drive up traffic related to Truvada. If you are truly annoyed with him just ignore him and his articles. He'll just have to spend more time on other forums under some other alias.

[BellaBellucci]

I, for one, know that PrEP is a huge step in the prevention of HIV transmission, and if the claims that it reduces the likelihood of transmission of herpes, then really the only STI risk is for bacterial infections. Bacteria is easy enough to pick up from a million non-sexual places, and is easily treated (at least for now, but that's a whole OTHER messy conversation).

The only 100% surefire way to not catch an STI or some kid of bacteria is to be a virgin in a bubble.

972904

~BB~

[Laphroaig]

LMAO!
I bet he dodges again....

I bet you're right...


Westheangelino is one of these new-fangled social media administrators working for or on behalf of the makers of Truvada. By continuing to engage him, and referencing the articles he posts you're helping him to drive up traffic related to Truvada. If you are truly annoyed with him just ignore him and his articles. He'll just have to spend more time on other forums under some other alias.

You and I know exactly what West is up to, but he's denied it once in this thread and will no doubt do it again in response to your post. Or he'll choose to dodge it like all the rest of the questions that have gone unanswered.

Maybe the best way to shut him up would be to show his employers what a poor job he's doing by pointing them in the direction of this thread. In the meantime, I've got lots more ammunition stockpiled...


I, for one, know that PrEP is a huge step in the prevention of HIV transmission, and if the claims that it reduces the likelihood of transmission of herpes, then really the only STI risk is for bacterial infections. Bacteria is easy enough to pick up from a million non-sexual places, and is easily treated (at least for now, but that's a whole OTHER messy conversation).

The only 100% surefire way to not catch an STI or some kid of bacteria is to be a virgin in a bubble.

972904

~BB~

Bella, I agree with most of what you're saying. However, Hepatitis for example IS a virus and an extremely nasty one.

[Westheangelino]

Raise your hand if you've gotten a prescription yet!!

[TSLoverIB]

Hey everyone
Is anyone on the board taking PrEP?
Has anyone personally purchased online?
Reliable site or order?
I see Truvada is really high but a generic is out, made in India.
Anyone on Tenvir EM?
Thanks

[TSLoverIB]

Who is moderating now?
How did my thread turn in to a reply at the bottom of the list?

[rodinuk]

Who is moderating now?
How did my thread turn in to a reply at the bottom of the list?

I moved the post into this existing thread which discusses Truvada,PreP etc.

[TSLoverIB]

Is anyone on the board taking PrEP?
Has anyone personally purchased online?
Reliable site or order?
I see Truvada is really high but a generic is out, made in India.
Anyone on Tenvir EM?
Thanks

[Torquez]

Is anyone on the board taking PrEP?


Yes, it is amazing. I finally feel relaxed during sex and fear of catching something is gone :)

Read all about it on these websites:

http://www.tht.org.uk/sexual-health/About-HIV/Pre-exposure-Prophylaxis

https://www.iwantprepnow.co.uk/

I highly recommend it, now I can enjoy life without fear.

[Laphroaig]

Yes, it is amazing. I finally feel relaxed during sex and fear of catching something is gone :)

Read all about it on these websites:

http://www.tht.org.uk/sexual-health/About-HIV/Pre-exposure-Prophylaxis

https://www.iwantprepnow.co.uk/

I highly recommend it, now I can enjoy life without fear.

Copied straight from your links.

"What about other sexually transmitted infections?

Research has shown that PrEP is highly effective at preventing HIV as long as it’s taken as directed.

However, PrEP will not protect you from other sexually transmitted infections (STIs) or an unwanted pregnancy - whereas condoms will.

If you’re using PrEP it’s important that you go for regular STI screens every three months so you can get any other infections treated."

and

"PrEP only protects you from HIV. Other precautions are needed to protect you from all other STIs."
​

[Teydyn]

fear of catching something is gone :)
...
I highly recommend it, now I can enjoy life without fear.
Then you dont understand PreP. Please see your doctor so he can explain it to you again.

You are probably taking antibiotics for 2 days and stop when you feel better too...

[MrFanti]

Truly sad that Wes was got all this grief here in this community for trying to help us.....
Now quite a few stars are using PreP regularly....

[Lorca81]

Truly sad that Wes was got all this grief here in this community for trying to help us.....
Now quite a few stars are using PreP regularly....

Indeed. It really is surprising that so many men who sleep with trans women are still resistant to taking PrEP.

[BostonBad]

Indeed. It really is surprising that so many men who sleep with trans women are still resistant to taking PrEP.

Should I be prepping? I am 100% safe except I suck ts cock raw and swallow cum, no matter how much ballmilk comes out. If I miss a drop it makes me want to smash my head into the wall.

[Fitzcarraldo]

Should I be prepping? I am 100% safe except I suck ts cock raw and swallow cum, no matter how much ballmilk comes out. If I miss a drop it makes me want to smash my head into the wall.

Then you are nowhere near 100% safe.

[Laphroaig]

Truly sad that Wes was got all this grief here in this community for trying to help us.....
Now quite a few stars are using PreP regularly....

Try reading the thread again. His attitude towards other STD's was cavalier, irresponsible and entirely unhelpful...

[susivilla]

I been. using truvada for 4 month but my doctor told me that still have used condom to be 100% safe truvada is good if you. have. And accident like condom brake etc. . is recommended to. used truvada and condom. together.. And only people that are HIV negative can use it.

[Torris]

I have a question. Does the TG world use the same testing sites as het porn?

I know when Dr. Sharon Mitchell (sick joke) was running things, they didn’t test for STDs and nearly the whole industry has herpes. Don’t understand the idea of focusing on HIV while blithely ignoring potential positives for gonorrhea, syphilis and Herpes. Which are much more easily spread by sexual contact



Is that still the case?

[MrFanti]

Try reading the thread again. His attitude towards other STD's was cavalier, irresponsible and entirely unhelpful...
I haven't read it again yet...but please correct me if I'm mistaken...
It was my understanding that Wes knew that that Truvada does nothing against other STD's.....

[Laphroaig]

I haven't read it again yet...but please correct me if I'm mistaken...
It was my understanding that Wes knew that that Truvada does nothing against other STD's.....

You are correct, yet he was perfectly happy to risk other STD's while on his free trial of Truvada. Even admitting to catching one.